**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Apr 01 02:59:58 2012 Apr 01 03:03:09 :-( Apr 01 03:07:13 strange Apr 01 03:07:41 may I suggest the 'easy windows solution"? reflash Apr 01 03:09:33 probably will need a full reflash (combined + vanilla) to clean homedir Apr 01 03:10:11 still with a proper set of backup of MyDocs and backup app you'll not lose anything Apr 01 04:56:39 watching the hunger games Apr 01 04:56:41 it's pretty awesome Apr 01 04:56:49 very well made movie Apr 01 11:25:12 DocScrutinizer? Apr 01 11:26:18 Sorry about yesterday's mediafire, it used to be good on MicroB, times have changed -.- Apr 01 11:26:24 New link: https://gist.github.com/cb83c248423a77b92a07 Apr 01 11:32:42 MrPingu: thanks Apr 01 15:33:18 hi Apr 01 15:33:23 ~seen pali Apr 01 15:33:33 pali is currently on #maemo (2h 44m 29s) #maemo-ssu (2h 44m 29s), last said: 'err, not finite but pushdown automaton'. Apr 01 15:38:50 jonwil, hi Apr 01 15:39:32 You ever hear anything more from the Nokia people? Apr 01 15:40:13 no, nothing Apr 01 15:40:39 ok :( Apr 01 15:43:05 jonwil, can you look at cbs widget problem reported in TMO? Apr 01 15:43:20 what problem? Apr 01 15:43:42 it show me @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ Apr 01 15:43:55 see my post in your tmo thread Apr 01 15:44:13 my idea is that this patch should be problem: https://gitorious.org/~pali/community-ssu/pali-operator-name-cbs-widget/commit/533fb818be137879b800db3feb755134913b198b Apr 01 15:44:23 but I did not tried compile it yet Apr 01 15:45:24 Can you tell me what the output of ls -l /usr/lib/libsms* on the device in question looks like? Apr 01 15:46:30 I do not have my n900 here Apr 01 15:46:37 but libsms is correctly patched Apr 01 15:46:52 it sometimes show that @@@@@ and sometimes correct cell name Apr 01 15:47:48 The way to tell whats going on is to enable the CBSMS logging and grab logs of when its showing the @ symbols Apr 01 15:48:44 my logs was same as that attached by other people in that thread Apr 01 15:49:06 if you want really my logs, I can attach it to that thread tomorow Apr 01 15:49:59 ok Apr 01 15:50:28 well I dont know why this is happening, the way libsms.so works it shouldn't be possible for that to happen Apr 01 15:52:27 Most useful way to find out whats going in would be to packet log the phonet packets being sent for the invalid CBSMS in question Apr 01 15:52:36 but I cant remember how to do that off the top of my head Apr 01 16:00:10 in any case I dont think your patch is the correct fix, the correct fix is to dump the phonet packets and find out exactly what the cbsms phonet packet looks like and then find out why its displaying the @ symbol based on that Apr 01 16:01:17 I do know that I was getting the @ symbol before myself and it was caused because somehow (without me knowing) something had screwed up and the symlinks and patches related to libsms.so had screwed up somehow Apr 01 16:01:33 in your case thats not the case because you sometimes get correct output, sometimes now Apr 01 16:01:35 not Apr 01 18:48:05 * Sicelo thinks about the elections Apr 01 19:00:29 burp Apr 01 19:00:33 elections? Apr 01 19:01:14 * DocScrutinizer guesses there's again another council election maybe Apr 01 19:02:06 I wonder if it will be "better" than last one. Last one went unnoticed, I didn't even receive a token or whatever Apr 01 19:03:09 probably it got cancelled due to number of applicants < number of council seats Apr 01 19:03:57 SD69 really tried Apr 01 19:05:34 DocScrutinizer: why don't you run? ;) Apr 01 19:06:28 ME??? Apr 01 19:06:37 XP Apr 01 19:06:37 no nominations so far Apr 01 19:06:38 :P Apr 01 19:07:59 * Sicelo is relatively new to maemo.. Apr 01 19:08:19 what did previous councils achieve? Apr 01 19:09:14 that's a bit of a weird question Apr 01 19:10:50 It's not like there ever was a shortage of people with bright ideas and strong opinions Apr 01 19:10:58 there's a shortage of doers :P Apr 01 19:11:22 yeah. true that Apr 01 19:13:54 wrt elections, CrashandDie says : Frankly, I think this telling. Maybe it's time to consider wrapping things up in a "so long and thanks for all the fish"-kinda way? Apr 01 19:14:56 Well there's not much of a point with having a council to communicate with Nokia when Nokia is dead :P Apr 01 19:15:39 But for sure maemo.org should be kept up years still for people still using their devices Apr 01 19:16:26 is that something having a council could help in? :/ Apr 01 19:16:28 indeed Apr 01 19:17:38 Sicelo: not really, unless you consider council an authority that it never was meant to be Apr 01 19:18:02 or a service provider that it also never been Apr 01 19:18:28 gotcha Apr 01 19:20:27 of course council could decide to accept either or even both roles Apr 01 19:21:06 community at large probably won't accept authorities anyway Apr 01 19:22:38 hell, they blamed me for formerly being a member of Openmoko_the_Inc and still I take care about 'our' server infra. Some guy actually demanded "we" shall give OM to 'the community' Apr 01 19:23:40 heh Apr 01 19:25:04 community server admin - here's the password. SURE! Apr 01 19:25:49 hello Apr 01 19:26:16 what is the name of the program that displays a picture of the program you are currently loading? Apr 01 19:26:26 pvr somthing?? Apr 01 19:26:38 i do think sometimes we take things too far when it comes to open source and related stuff Apr 01 19:28:01 Sicelo: ?? Apr 01 19:28:39 vi__: yeah, sth like that Apr 01 19:29:05 vi__: community at large probably won't accept authorities anyway.. << i was just echoing this comment Apr 01 19:32:13 DocScrutinizer: can I remove it? Apr 01 19:33:33 vi__: I think it's a function in H-D. You only could comment it out, or neuter it in any other way (e.g. by removing the pvr pictures and setting the dir r/o) Apr 01 19:33:45 mere handwaving though Apr 01 19:34:06 bleh Apr 01 19:34:09 thanks Apr 01 19:34:24 btw iirc it actually needs code in every app using it Apr 01 19:34:37 at least to create the image Apr 01 19:35:02 MohammadAG might know details, he looked closer nto it Apr 01 19:35:05 it is a waste of precious cpu cycles and the pictures are always out of date. Apr 01 19:35:12 yep, sure Apr 01 19:35:24 and it nags big time Apr 01 19:35:49 I *always* try to scroll down in settings screen before it's actually loaded Apr 01 19:36:06 annoying nonsense Apr 01 19:36:19 yup Apr 01 19:37:13 hmm, what are you talking about? Apr 01 19:38:28 splash screen Apr 01 19:38:37 the pvr thingie, that shows a picture of the app before the app actually starts Apr 01 19:38:39 shows pic of app before app is loaded Apr 01 19:38:57 introduced with PR1.2 iirc Apr 01 19:39:44 and I'd think a valid candidate for a CSSU config option "X-CSSU-NO-PVR" Apr 01 19:39:46 i thought it existed in first version Apr 01 19:40:43 well, i'm possibly blind/dumb.. i don't see it here Apr 01 19:40:58 then it's actually working for you ;-P Apr 01 19:41:43 e.g in settings screen you might notice some of the menu points pop up or vanish some 2 seconds after the screen initially pops up Apr 01 19:42:03 until then what you see was a snapshot, not the real program Apr 01 19:42:08 Do you see spinning circle in titlebar when you open settings? Apr 01 19:42:12 ah, now i get you Apr 01 19:42:53 i never knew that was some splashscreen Apr 01 19:44:12 it's a screenshot of the app Apr 01 19:46:38 I'd honestly prefer the big spinning wheel like it was in early PR version iirc Apr 01 19:47:47 or simply blanking the screen. Some kind of feedback is actually fine though Apr 01 19:48:08 i don't remember a big spinning wheel Apr 01 19:48:10 ever Apr 01 19:48:13 i suppose they introduced it to fool us noobs -- i understand people complained that N900 apps take long to load. this PVR thing is nice April's fool :D Apr 01 19:48:19 otherwise you try to hit button / icon again, as you don't think it's already working Apr 01 19:55:25 i notice MAG also developed some app to customize the PVR files Apr 01 19:57:03 yep Apr 01 19:57:36 I forgot the name, and why I didn't use it though Apr 01 20:00:12 'pvrcreator' Apr 01 20:00:13 I think my idea was to automate the editing of those PVR images, to simply blur them or whatever Apr 01 20:00:36 pvrcreator can't probably do that Apr 01 20:02:32 vi__: my TAB gets me pvrsrvinit Apr 01 20:02:35 nfc Apr 01 20:03:40 so why wont those nemo guys compile a fixed powervr driver for n900 maemo kernel? Apr 01 20:03:42 doesn't accept --help Apr 01 20:03:57 DocScrutinizer: exactly whqat i just tried. Apr 01 20:04:29 another of those nokia cmd bodges that doesnt provide any cmd line help Apr 01 20:05:42 ala commandline tool for calander engine. Apr 01 20:05:47 worst Apr 01 20:05:49 program Apr 01 20:05:51 ever Apr 01 20:09:02 I guess ussd widget =/ Apr 01 20:09:20 is there a legitimate way to emulate middle click with xbindkeys? Apr 01 20:09:43 Is there a way to emulate right click? Apr 01 20:09:44 for example can xbindkeys detect the press/release of a button Apr 01 20:09:58 MrPingu: press and hold Apr 01 20:13:02 vi__; they don't have powervr source? Apr 01 20:13:32 besides, it's a bloody pain to make new drivers work on ancient kernels.. Apr 01 20:14:05 vi__: it's called in /etc/event.d/sgx: Apr 01 20:15:29 MrPingu: ussd widget? Apr 01 20:16:02 it's a) not Nokia, b) no cmdline tool, c) obsolete Apr 01 20:18:16 Well ussd widget can't display my creditbalance Apr 01 20:18:29 while ussd app does it =/ Apr 01 20:19:26 Keeps saying: click to update so I uninstalled it... Apr 01 20:19:46 Anyway to display credit through qbw? Apr 01 20:22:37 umm, aah. you want a widget that automatically displays the reply Apr 01 20:23:34 Yeah ;) Apr 01 20:24:00 I'd recommend not to do that, it eats large amounts of your battery, by inadvertently sending via cellmo to BTS to inquire the balance Apr 01 20:24:37 vi__ right click doesn't work in chromium in Easy Debian, when holding... Apr 01 20:24:41 for sure you're better of with a "click to update" approach Apr 01 20:25:06 better off even Apr 01 20:25:31 Well I meant, click to update. I want just to see quickly my left credit Apr 01 20:25:54 Way faster, than phone and dialing *101# Apr 01 20:26:03 I got a contact "balance" with number "*103#" and a shortcut to that contact on my desktop, so it's a matter of two clicks for me to get my balance on demand Apr 01 20:26:19 And I sometimes forget to check xD Apr 01 20:26:36 Like today, thought of calling someone to pick me up Apr 01 20:26:45 no credit left... Apr 01 20:27:10 Yep, long way home :P Apr 01 20:27:16 doing the query at random is no sensible approach Apr 01 20:28:06 and usually your provider offers a service to remind you with an SMS when your balance drops below some particular amount Apr 01 20:28:18 mine does at least Apr 01 20:28:53 Yes they do, but that's when I still have 500 SMS left -.- Apr 01 20:28:59 you forgetting to check is a problem that's impossible to solve Apr 01 20:29:20 Yes but a desktop widget would help reminding me ;) Apr 01 20:29:48 then check once a day? Apr 01 20:29:54 automatically Apr 01 20:30:17 Need to get that in my daily routine then... Apr 01 20:30:31 there's e.g. alarmed for that Apr 01 20:30:54 and probably queenbeecon can also do that Apr 01 20:31:09 someone written an app for vodafone italy Apr 01 20:31:23 maybe you can take it and modify to suite your operator Apr 01 20:31:38 it needs internet connectivity someway Apr 01 20:31:43 if both fails, you can do a script that returns the cached value, just once a day updates cache by inquiry Apr 01 20:32:16 Probably beyond my skill Apr 01 20:32:30 hmm, maybe not beyonf mine Apr 01 20:32:53 if you're lucky I'll come up with a threeliner in a few minutes or hours Apr 01 20:32:55 The best way is, I think just be learn from this incident Apr 01 20:33:21 Yeah, nice grammar MrPingu Apr 01 20:33:49 anyway it shouldn't be hard to script smssend/sms-manager Apr 01 20:34:07 And tomorrow I have oral exam english :P gonna be fine... xD Apr 01 20:34:12 i'd prefer something like this than using a colorful widget :) Apr 01 20:34:29 Guly, it's not a SMS Apr 01 20:34:42 USSD Apr 01 20:34:52 *4711# Apr 01 20:35:19 the thingie that starhash-enabler tackles Apr 01 20:35:37 not exactly but almost Apr 01 20:36:07 Battery running empty, just go on I will read the log when I miss something. Hope I will be back soon... Apr 01 20:36:46 I bet your battery runs empty, when you check your balance every 30s ;-P Apr 01 20:37:42 If I did, I could be home a lot earlier today :P Apr 01 20:38:37 Sometimes you need to "feel" your stupidness Apr 01 20:39:07 hey here we got 0800 numbers to place R-calls Apr 01 20:39:38 won't charge your battery though ;-D Apr 01 20:39:58 :P Ahah where do you live, if I may ask? Apr 01 20:40:25 sometimes at Germany Apr 01 20:41:16 ach so, ich spreche ein bisschen Deutsch aber nicht so gut =P Apr 01 20:41:27 but my provider is really nasty, if my balance is at zero, I mustn't even do free calls Apr 01 20:41:42 ich auch ;-D Apr 01 20:42:15 anyway Iprefer English on IRC Apr 01 20:42:38 Me too, so everybody can read what we are saying Apr 01 20:43:36 I just remember we have a service SMS 0808 Apr 01 20:43:52 since most of my conversation is been via IRC for the last 5 or so years, I tend to prefer English even for monologues ;-D Apr 01 20:44:18 and your friend will get a SMS, Please call me back, I have run out of credit... Apr 01 20:45:15 so I gather you either pay for inbound SMS (= USA), or this service is absolutely rogue and collects numbers for spamming Apr 01 20:45:18 I prefer english too, I mean as soon as I am conversating for about 5 minutes my whole mind switches to english and I start even thinking in english :P Apr 01 20:46:43 Probably the last xD However never received spam and my lil bro send me lots of these SMS'es Apr 01 20:47:28 and I can't remember it touched my credit either when I received them... Apr 01 20:48:18 However, I tend to neglect checking credit Apr 01 20:48:27 well, here you don't pay for nbound SMS or calls. But those 0800 R-call services charge your carrier for so called termination-fee Apr 01 20:49:24 while they are charged by sender's carrier for the inbound 0800 call Apr 01 20:49:39 vi__: It's in hildon-desktop's code, the method is called an API in libhildon Apr 01 20:49:40 You can simply comment out the code Apr 01 20:49:41 Grep for .cache Apr 01 20:49:43 seems the balance is positive Apr 01 20:50:17 MohammadAG: o/ Apr 01 20:50:25 where can i set the fonts of maemo to be in italic mode? ive used theme customizer to customize my fonts but it doesnt have any option to set italic mode Apr 01 20:50:37 PVR creator was when my coding sucked, it's a butchered fMMS GUI Apr 01 20:50:47 Thanks to frals for that Apr 01 20:51:01 o/ DocScrutinizer Apr 01 20:51:47 I see the N9 can be overclocked now, let's see if polycarbonate melts before heat protection kicks in Apr 01 20:53:17 Hello, I am back Apr 01 20:53:23 MohammadAG: polycarbonate doesn't melt at all, basically Apr 01 20:54:02 DocScrutinizer: Kinda have doubts it's 100% Polycarbonate Apr 01 20:54:07 What's the short name for that? Apr 01 20:54:11 PVC? Apr 01 20:54:17 that's one of the reasons it's used for vending machines Apr 01 20:54:37 pvc is ployvinylchloride Apr 01 20:54:39 PolyVinylChloride isn't poly carbonate Apr 01 20:55:00 Thought they were the same actually Apr 01 20:55:00 doh, you were faster. Apr 01 20:55:21 He didn't capitalize the first letter each initial standed for Apr 01 20:55:25 Well they have in common they exists of lots of C atoms Apr 01 20:55:35 You get extra points for that, it's a tie Apr 01 20:55:59 I'm aware of that, chemistry in high school teaches you stuff you know :p Apr 01 20:56:18 Tomorrow having a test about it :P Apr 01 20:56:42 Just came here to relax before I go to bed xD Apr 01 20:56:46 What's C10H22? Draw its structural formula Apr 01 20:57:07 wtf Apr 01 20:57:22 Just revising for him Apr 01 20:57:43 * DocScrutinizer wonders what might be c10h22 Apr 01 20:57:44 To stay on topic, draw it in ASCII Apr 01 20:57:46 Have fun Apr 01 20:58:10 Some alkane Apr 01 20:58:17 CH3-(CH2)8-CH2 Apr 01 20:58:31 CnH2n+2 Apr 01 20:58:31 HHHHHHHHHH Apr 01 20:58:43 HCCCCCCCCCCH Apr 01 20:58:44 HHHHHHHHHH Apr 01 20:59:16 DocScrutinizer get the points I guess Apr 01 21:00:48 Have lots to do with maemo? :P Apr 01 21:01:21 sure, it's used to clean PCB during production ;-P Apr 01 21:02:12 and with PCB I don't mean pentachloride biphenol Apr 01 21:02:59 To get back on topic: Is there some "go to end of page" shortcut in MicroB? Apr 01 21:08:48 umm, shift-pgdn? Apr 01 21:09:01 err, cursor-down Apr 01 21:09:18 just for scrolling I guess Apr 01 21:11:35 nope, actually shift+cursorUp/Down jumps to beginning/end of page Apr 01 21:13:44 space to next "screen" down, and cursor without shift for smooth scrolling Apr 01 21:14:41 ooh, shift-space one "screen" up Apr 01 21:15:45 next question: why doesn't exist a single decent pizza service here, to deliver by night? Apr 01 21:15:52 :-/ Apr 01 21:24:11 Thank you, that about the space I knew. Apr 01 21:24:26 Because it's sunday? Apr 01 21:25:44 no, because this town sucks regarding that Apr 01 21:25:55 each day of week Apr 01 21:27:56 We have 2, but 1, really don't know what they put in there it's taste in not bearable :p Apr 01 21:28:21 s/in/is Apr 01 21:29:22 Both are closed on sunday and monday though Apr 01 21:36:49 here you can starve from hunger after 22:30 Apr 01 21:38:08 I never order after 22:30 when I am home, so I don't know xD Apr 01 21:38:32 but I found a estaurant that still is willing to sell me a pizza when I fetch it at their place Apr 01 21:39:04 \o/ Apr 01 21:39:13 bbl Apr 01 21:41:23 Let me listen 4 songs, then I am gone. I don't want to be tired at my tests... **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Apr 02 02:59:58 2012