**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Apr 02 02:59:58 2012
Apr 02 03:03:50 <LaoLang_cool> Is there a tool for text selection on the screen? Sometimes I want to copy some text but can't find an easy way
Apr 02 03:06:38 <ShadowJK> in browser you can get out the pointer in hover mode
Apr 02 03:06:47 <ShadowJK> in emails you hold shift and then paint
Apr 02 03:07:46 <Macer> too bad the res for wii totally sucks
Apr 02 03:07:55 <Macer> oops
Apr 02 03:08:19 <Macer> hi :-) 
Apr 02 03:09:45 <LaoLang_cool> ShadowJK: what about fmms?
Apr 02 03:10:08 <LaoLang_cool> it can copy a whole mms, but that's not so convenient..
Apr 02 03:10:33 <LaoLang_cool> I like a uniform way in OS like other smart phone say iphone
Apr 02 03:11:31 <ShadowJK> i haven't used fmms
Apr 02 03:11:48 <ShadowJK> iphone has copypaste now? :)
Apr 02 03:12:41 * ShadowJK vaguely remembers it didn't when maemo did
Apr 02 03:14:12 <robbiethe1st> Maemo has the nicest default browser. Period.
Apr 02 03:14:38 <robbiethe1st> And it's quite nice, too, especially if you install the click-to-play for flash addon
Apr 02 03:14:57 * ShadowJK has adblock-css
Apr 02 03:15:19 <ShadowJK> does click to play too :)
Apr 02 03:32:20 <Macer> heh
Apr 02 03:32:37 <Macer> i dont use mms at all
Apr 02 03:32:40 <Macer> or txting
Apr 02 03:32:44 <Macer> what a racket
Apr 02 03:33:16 <Macer> txting has to be by far the most ridiculoisly overpriced thing in existance
Apr 02 03:33:25 <merlin1991> :D
Apr 02 03:33:46 <merlin1991> I dunno 4 cents for a text or 4 cents for a minute of talking on my provider
Apr 02 03:34:21 <merlin1991> (that is 4 cents txt woldwide, whilst talking goes all the way up to 3€ per min)
Apr 02 04:04:55 <RST38h> If You Bought "Steve Jobs: One Last Thing" You'll Like "Hitler: A Career", Says iTunes Genius
Apr 02 04:05:22 <robbiethe1st> Definitely.
Apr 02 04:06:59 <RST38h> In related news, Taliban Offer Question-and-Answer Service Online
Apr 02 05:37:05 <LaoLang_cool> I like txting :)
Apr 02 05:37:48 <LaoLang_cool> another question, is there a tool to let me can use some hardware keyboard to behave like pageup/pagedown?
Apr 02 05:38:05 <LaoLang_cool> Or go to top/bottom
Apr 02 05:38:35 <robbiethe1st> Uh, shift+up, shift+down?
Apr 02 05:39:02 <robbiethe1st> Also, you can edit the keymap and define any combination of keys to be anything you want, so yes.
Apr 02 05:40:10 <robbiethe1st> see http://wiki.maemo.org/Remapping_keyboard
Apr 02 05:40:43 <LaoLang_cool> robbiethe1st: I mean in the case of when I'm in a conversation, I want to use keyboard to pageup/down, not by hand
Apr 02 05:41:24 <robbiethe1st> Yeah. Remember, there's a 'pgup' key on normal keyboards? So, you could map it, to, say alt+shift+up or something
Apr 02 05:42:04 <LaoLang_cool> robbiethe1st: oh, I'll try, thank you
Apr 02 05:43:28 <robbiethe1st> It's pretty cool all the stuff you can do, but it takes some experimenting
Apr 02 05:43:36 <robbiethe1st> I'm off, cya.
Apr 02 05:51:19 * DocScrutinizer waves
Apr 02 06:36:20 <internetishard> have do you guys use skype on this thing? It's annoying to toggle off and on, and whenever I chat with it on my desktop my phone vibrates
Apr 02 07:14:57 * pavi is watching  http://www.developer.nokia.com/document/Get_Started_with_Maemo_5/ well made video
Apr 02 07:30:00 <pavi> Hi all I just installed the SDK and I was able to run the helo world GUI program both as stand alone and  via xephyr
Apr 02 07:31:53 <pavi> In the SDK sources.list I can see it pointing to  fremantle/sdk   .  If I add just a line with only fremantle . Will I be able to run all the maemo repo apps on the emulator ?
Apr 02 07:32:12 <pavi> I am wondering if they are different targets like arm and x86
Apr 02 07:38:24 <x29a> pavi: in the project settings, click on the + and add a new target, you should see maemo5 as a target if you have the fremantle toolchain installed
Apr 02 07:42:21 <internetishard> should I try to buy a new board for the n900, send it in to fix it, or just buy a new one?
Apr 02 07:42:35 <internetishard> It's been well over a year since I bought it
Apr 02 07:42:38 <internetishard> maybe over 2
Apr 02 07:44:36 <Sicelo> i'd try for a new/used N900, and fix current N900 on my own :/
Apr 02 07:45:18 <pavi> x29a:  where do I find project settings? on the emulator?
Apr 02 07:45:30 <internetishard> too much fucked up
Apr 02 07:45:37 <internetishard> craigslist for used n900?
Apr 02 07:49:12 <internetishard> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/sys/2924270205.html omfg, what a retard
Apr 02 07:51:29 <internetishard> anyone here want to sell me one?
Apr 02 07:51:30 <Macer> lol
Apr 02 07:51:53 <Macer> so like
Apr 02 07:52:05 <Macer> what is special about the $900 n900?
Apr 02 07:52:11 <internetishard> I have one but it's getting sketchy. some corrupt flash possibly, mic jack isn't working, antenna seems sketchy
Apr 02 07:52:20 <internetishard> Macer: he put "PENTESTING" on it
Apr 02 07:52:21 <internetishard> haha
Apr 02 07:52:26 <internetishard> installed a free program?
Apr 02 07:52:38 <Macer> lmao
Apr 02 07:52:41 <internetishard> It's retarded because anyone who knows what that is is going to know enough not to buy that
Apr 02 07:52:43 <internetishard> what an idiot!
Apr 02 07:52:47 <Macer> WEP cracking?
Apr 02 07:52:56 <Macer> wow
Apr 02 07:52:58 <Macer> !
Apr 02 07:52:59 <internetishard> probably some l33t kid to stole his dads n900
Apr 02 07:53:03 <Macer> :)
Apr 02 07:53:11 <internetishard> anyway, I need a new one
Apr 02 07:53:19 <Macer> or an asian trying to sell an n900 for a retarded price
Apr 02 07:53:23 <internetishard> I don't like how mine is behaving, hardware wise
Apr 02 07:53:31 <Macer> skype i believe still sells new ones
Apr 02 07:53:42 <Macer> ebay has a few for an ok price every now and then
Apr 02 07:53:49 <internetishard> wow, that's ironic, the skype integration sucks
Apr 02 07:54:00 <Macer> i got mine from hk on ebay and it actually wound up great
Apr 02 07:54:05 <internetishard> I can't skype IM on my desktop without my n900 vibrating every time I push enter
Apr 02 07:54:08 <Macer> $240 i think
Apr 02 07:54:21 <Macer> they're kind of hard to come by
Apr 02 07:54:29 <Macer> wish nokia still produced them
Apr 02 07:54:35 <Macer> i'd buy 10 lol
Apr 02 07:54:39 <internetishard> wish they were supported
Apr 02 07:54:43 <internetishard> really?
Apr 02 07:54:44 <Macer> for $200/piece
Apr 02 07:54:57 <Macer> no not really.. but this one is my 2nd
Apr 02 07:55:01 <internetishard> don't your friends' android phones do almost everything way better?
Apr 02 07:55:10 <Macer> no
Apr 02 07:55:15 <Macer> no ssh xforwarding
Apr 02 07:55:18 <Macer> heh
Apr 02 07:55:18 <internetishard> so much faster
Apr 02 07:55:23 <Macer> no apt :)
Apr 02 07:55:23 <internetishard> yeah, I like that too
Apr 02 07:55:26 <internetishard> apt?
Apr 02 07:55:28 <Macer> no xterm
Apr 02 07:55:41 <internetishard> can a vpn replace ssh for you?
Apr 02 07:56:02 <Macer> i suppose.. but openvpn is a pain sometimes and pptp is not as secure
Apr 02 07:56:10 <internetishard> I mostly want to be able to forward all my IM services through irssi, and mount my multi-TB storage over vpn
Apr 02 07:56:25 <Macer> heh
Apr 02 07:56:29 <Macer> use sshfs
Apr 02 07:56:30 <internetishard> Actually, I looked into that and I think openvpn can be as secure as ssh
Apr 02 07:56:30 <Macer> ;)
Apr 02 07:56:38 <Macer> openvpn yes
Apr 02 07:56:40 <Macer> pptp no
Apr 02 07:56:42 <internetishard> Yeah, I do sshfs over GigE at home
Apr 02 07:56:53 <internetishard> but it reaaly isn't optimized for high volume traffic 
Apr 02 07:56:59 <Macer> sshfs is a bit taxing on the hardware tho
Apr 02 07:57:02 <Macer> yeah
Apr 02 07:57:07 <Macer> it has overhead
Apr 02 07:57:11 <internetishard> even with my ultra desktops it would stutter
Apr 02 07:57:20 <Macer> heh
Apr 02 07:57:29 <internetishard> I just don't think it's good with dirs, crypto is fast enough on these machines
Apr 02 07:57:41 <Macer> but i had a g2.. it broke... i took it apart and got a.. the replacement parts
Apr 02 07:57:55 <Macer> and it is still taken apart because i use my n900 far more
Apr 02 07:57:57 <internetishard> for example, I mounted my raid over gigE with sshfs, and I never could figure out why browsing dirs took so long to load
Apr 02 07:58:06 <internetishard> I could stream blueray over it though
Apr 02 07:58:06 <Macer> hm
Apr 02 07:58:18 <Macer> dont know. works rather well on my stuff
Apr 02 07:58:18 <internetishard> but all the folders in a dir took like 3s to show up, which was annoying
Apr 02 07:58:23 <Macer> but the overhead is killer
Apr 02 07:58:30 <Macer> since i am using a synology
Apr 02 07:58:55 <internetishard> I'd like to fix my mic jack on the n900
Apr 02 07:58:57 <Macer> with 128MB and a 1.2 GHz Armv5
Apr 02 07:58:59 <internetishard> that'd make me happy for a while
Apr 02 07:59:02 <Macer> heh
Apr 02 07:59:09 <Macer> my usb port fell off my 1st one
Apr 02 07:59:15 <Macer> made in korea
Apr 02 07:59:41 <Macer> this one isn't
Apr 02 07:59:43 <internetishard> oh, another thing I'll miss with other phones
Apr 02 07:59:47 <internetishard> is all these batteries I bought
Apr 02 07:59:49 <internetishard> and keep charged
Apr 02 07:59:51 <internetishard> in my pocket
Apr 02 08:00:01 * dm8tbr needs to open his devices and check if he can add some mechanical stability somehow
Apr 02 08:00:03 <Macer> heh
Apr 02 08:00:03 <Macer> yeah... i have 3
Apr 02 08:00:22 <Macer> 3 n900 batteries
Apr 02 08:00:26 <Macer> and a wall charger
Apr 02 08:00:36 <Macer> but i got it to avoid touching the usb port
Apr 02 08:00:43 <Macer> unless i really need to
Apr 02 08:00:56 <dm8tbr> e.g. scratch of side of pcb and then solder the port to the pcb
Apr 02 08:01:04 <dm8tbr> need to take it apart and have a look
Apr 02 08:01:16 <Macer> yeah... i know it is possible
Apr 02 08:01:39 <Macer> i have one that was made in finland tho
Apr 02 08:01:51 <Macer> so maybe they used quality workmanship and solder :)
Apr 02 08:02:02 <internetishard> My headphones work, but the mic won't... any ideas?
Apr 02 08:02:08 <internetishard> the jack is a little loose
Apr 02 08:02:09 <Macer> as opposed to the asian industrial penny pinching machine
Apr 02 08:02:35 <Macer> no idea. sorry.
Apr 02 08:02:42 <Macer> maybe a worn jack
Apr 02 08:02:46 <Macer> broken headset
Apr 02 08:02:49 <internetishard> I opened it up and couldn't tell
Apr 02 08:02:52 <Macer> non-nokia headset
Apr 02 08:02:54 <internetishard> I tried multiple headsets
Apr 02 08:02:55 <Macer> heh
Apr 02 08:03:01 <internetishard> headset supposed to be standard
Apr 02 08:03:04 <internetishard> 3.5mm
Apr 02 08:03:05 <internetishard> etc
Apr 02 08:03:16 <Macer> i know nokia uses the headset port for video as well
Apr 02 08:03:31 <Macer> supposed ;)
Apr 02 08:04:11 <Macer> nokia is going bankrupt
Apr 02 08:14:46 <internetishard> Macer, does it matter that it's for video too (for headsets)?
Apr 02 08:14:59 <internetishard> wtf, nokia makes good shit. They need to learn how to fucking run a company
Apr 02 08:15:12 <Macer> blame their ceo
Apr 02 08:15:20 <Macer> he has just had blunder after blunder
Apr 02 08:15:28 <Macer> how he is still ceo is beyond me
Apr 02 08:15:29 <internetishard> hmm
Apr 02 08:15:33 <internetishard> I don't know enough about nokia
Apr 02 08:15:38 <internetishard> can't fire the CEO, eh?
Apr 02 08:15:57 <internetishard> he probably gives investors better options when they try to kick him out
Apr 02 08:16:18 <internetishard> Now that I'm part of a HW device company, I see what can go wrong
Apr 02 08:16:40 <internetishard> It's obvious that nokias engineers, marketing, and sales don't fucking communicate
Apr 02 08:17:00 <Macer> they just dropped the ball on a lot of things
Apr 02 08:17:23 <Macer> then went into a panic trying to make something new and couldnt stick with anything
Apr 02 08:18:56 <Macer> http://www.google.com/finance?q=NYSE%3ANOK
Apr 02 08:19:01 <Macer> heh
Apr 02 08:19:09 <Macer> the graphs say all
Apr 02 08:20:37 <Macer> the key stats and ratios on the bottom right are a more clear picture of the state of nokia
Apr 02 08:20:45 <Macer> i will give them a few more months
Apr 02 08:20:56 <Macer> and they will be bankrupt... or desperate
Apr 02 08:21:07 <Macer> selling patents off is the last sign
Apr 02 08:22:23 <dm8tbr> I'm really interested to see how their US sales of Lumia900 will turn out
Apr 02 08:26:48 <internetishard> The question is, which phone will I get next that I can actually switch out teh batteries on the fly with
Apr 02 08:27:01 <internetishard> and also has a HW kb
Apr 02 08:53:44 <pavi> What are the open source games which use opengl in maemo ?
Apr 02 08:55:40 <internetishard> quake3
Apr 02 08:55:44 <internetishard> but that's not open
Apr 02 08:55:51 <internetishard> maybe openarena runs
Apr 02 08:57:01 <pavi> ?
Apr 02 08:59:16 <pavi> I am looking for a simple mobile game which uses opengl on maemo and runs on n900
Apr 02 08:59:17 <pavi> I am not asking for a desktop port :P
Apr 02 09:02:52 <internetishard> yeah I know
Apr 02 09:04:29 <pavi> Aren't there anything which comes near to te bounce game?
Apr 02 09:04:40 <internetishard> don't be gay
Apr 02 09:04:55 <internetishard> quake3 is the most hardcore opengl game that runs on the n900
Apr 02 09:05:25 <pavi> internetishard: I am not looking for hardcore ones .. I am looking for simple ones 
Apr 02 09:05:37 <pavi> Quake is an action game with inputs
Apr 02 09:05:52 <pavi> bounse just takes the speedometer input
Apr 02 09:06:36 <internetishard> get faster app manager
Apr 02 09:06:42 <internetishard> and type "accel"
Apr 02 09:06:51 <internetishard> and it will filter for all accelerometer apps
Apr 02 09:06:55 <internetishard> some of them being games
Apr 02 09:07:03 <pavi> ok thanks
Apr 02 09:07:36 <pavi> by the way whats faster app manager ?
Apr 02 09:12:24 <internetishard> http://my-maemo.com/software/applications.php?fldAuto=1544&faq=42
Apr 02 09:31:33 <edheldil> pavi:  tuxracer
Apr 02 09:33:48 <pavi> edheldil: ok will try it out
Apr 02 09:59:48 <Sicelo> random reboots on my N900 now :(
Apr 02 09:59:59 * Sicelo suspects KP50.
Apr 02 10:00:07 <Sicelo> any way to confirm?
Apr 02 10:01:03 <Sicelo> in fact, not reboots, but complete shutdowns
Apr 02 10:01:05 <dhbiker> Sicelo: mine did too when i had that battery patch for test
Apr 02 10:01:16 <Sicelo> i don't have that patch
Apr 02 10:01:20 <dhbiker> but in the other hand
Apr 02 10:01:25 <LaoLang_cool> hello, is there a way to show battery capacity instead of the default picutre?
Apr 02 10:01:25 <dhbiker> no reboots with kp50
Apr 02 10:02:32 <Sicelo> i generally don't install anything unusual.. on installs recently are CSSU stable (which i doubt i cause for this) and KP50 (which got installed by mistake)
Apr 02 10:02:53 <dhbiker> weird
Apr 02 10:03:30 <dhbiker> cssu stable + kp50 + injection drivers ... no reboots 
Apr 02 10:48:56 * Sicelo is not going to downgrade kernel.. can't stand this
Apr 02 10:49:08 <Sicelo> s/not/now/
Apr 02 10:51:55 <Sicelo> killing the battery too. battery almost finished after 5 hours of use that normally gave 12 hours
Apr 02 11:16:09 <Sicelo> ~jrtools
Apr 02 11:16:10 <infobot> jrtools is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools
Apr 02 12:18:02 <Sicelo> LaoLang_cool: i uses bq27200 scrpit. what do you want to do exactly?
Apr 02 12:33:09 <Khertan> Hi all !
Apr 02 14:12:07 <flux> hello. is there a webcam server for n900?
Apr 02 14:12:23 <flux> there seem to be various ways to stream videos, but is there a standalone http server for that?
Apr 02 14:20:11 <flux> also, for those approaches: how does one activate the focusing mechanism automatically?
Apr 02 14:30:37 <narcos> Hey all. I'm trying to create a desktop icon for a script which needs to run as roon (uses tcpdump). There seem to be so many articles out there with partial solutions - could someone recommend off hand to follow?
Apr 02 14:31:03 <narcos> Even more specifically, I'd like it to appear in the pwnphone desktop, if you're familiar with it
Apr 02 14:37:23 <r00t|home> narcos: create a .desktop file that runs it via sudo... where's the problem?
Apr 02 14:39:07 <narcos> r00t|home: I managed to figure it out by copying another .desktop file, thanks :)
Apr 02 14:39:31 <narcos> r00t|home: How do I add that icon to another, err, Desktop - I'm not sure of all the terminology yet
Apr 02 14:39:55 <narcos> But on the pwnphone there exists the regular desktop area (which now has my icon), and I'd like it added to the pwnphone desktop list
Apr 02 14:43:56 <narcos> Hmm, a separate question - where do I find the backtick character on a N900 ?
Apr 02 14:43:59 <narcos> `  <-- that
Apr 02 14:45:53 <narcos> Found it :)
Apr 02 14:46:04 <narcos> I seem to be thinking out loud into the #, sorry
Apr 02 14:56:10 <narcos> Thanks, bye!
Apr 02 17:06:02 <freemangordon> guys, does anyone know who is the author of blessn900 and abettercamera?
Apr 02 18:33:24 <whatever4ever> any cool new smartphones with HW kbs?
Apr 02 18:33:31 <wmarone> nope
Apr 02 18:34:02 <whatever4ever> Really?
Apr 02 18:34:12 <wmarone> yup
Apr 02 18:34:55 <whatever4ever> well, the speed at which any dude on an android can get directions vs me with the n900 is starting to kill me. Sometimes GPS doesn't lock on for minutes, apps crash a lot, general instability
Apr 02 18:35:25 <whatever4ever> maybe I should just overclock?
Apr 02 18:35:30 <whatever4ever> No idea...
Apr 02 18:35:34 <wmarone> still nothing out there I'm interested in
Apr 02 18:38:36 <StyXman> wmarone: I don't think overclocking would help you find satelites
Apr 02 18:38:48 <whatever4ever> haha, thanks
Apr 02 18:38:54 <StyXman> specially when the phone doesn't do any actual calculation
Apr 02 18:39:16 <StyXman> I mean, it just pokes and pings for signals
Apr 02 18:39:42 <StyXman> what I've benn told in this channel is that AGPS actually helps a lot
Apr 02 18:39:54 <StyXman> and that it only works with an actual data plan
Apr 02 18:40:06 <whatever4ever> I've a data plan of course
Apr 02 18:40:11 <whatever4ever> the programs are sluggish as shit
Apr 02 18:40:23 <StyXman> I mean, you have to query servers which have satellites positions already calculateed
Apr 02 18:40:31 <whatever4ever> I just want to be able to look up directions before any granny on the street does
Apr 02 18:40:41 <whatever4ever> not going to happen on this thing
Apr 02 18:40:43 <wmarone> nokia maps is terrible, yes
Apr 02 18:40:51 <whatever4ever> well, I've tried the rest too
Apr 02 18:40:52 <StyXman> whatever4ever: have you a) turned AGPS on and b) changed the APGS server to google's?
Apr 02 18:41:02 <whatever4ever> in what program?
Apr 02 18:41:05 <whatever4ever> got a link/tutorial
Apr 02 18:41:20 <StyXman> whatever4ever: no program, that's phone wise, so to speak, AFAIK
Apr 02 18:42:20 <StyXman> whatever4ever: settings-> location-> network positioning -> enable -> supl.google.com
Apr 02 18:57:04 <DocScrutinizer> haha, yes
Apr 02 18:58:22 <whatever4ever> DocScrutinizer, that was a "yes" change that setting to make gps way faster?
Apr 02 18:58:34 <DocScrutinizer> yep
Apr 02 18:59:17 <DocScrutinizer> iirc StyXman was moaning kust like you, until I told himabout supl.google.com. 30s later he smiled
Apr 02 19:00:16 <whatever4ever> haha, okay, I changed it
Apr 02 19:00:24 <whatever4ever> reminds me of "8.8.8.8"
Apr 02 19:00:26 <whatever4ever> :)
Apr 02 19:00:48 <whatever4ever> anyway, for speed and responsiveness, waht do you recommend these days DocScrutinizer?
Apr 02 19:01:02 <whatever4ever> Do you dual boot with meego?
Apr 02 19:01:06 <DocScrutinizer> nope
Apr 02 19:01:38 <DocScrutinizer> keep life wallpapers and similar crap off your device
Apr 02 19:01:57 <DocScrutinizer> that's all I do, and I'm just fine with speed of N900
Apr 02 19:02:12 <Sicelo> +1
Apr 02 19:03:04 <DocScrutinizer> of course N900 is no device for "who's got the longer dick" games with your iphone friends - but I don't mind
Apr 02 19:06:09 <DocScrutinizer> whatever4ever: geberally speaking, more than 3 optimizers will kill your N900
Apr 02 19:09:05 <DocScrutinizer> ooh, one tip you actually might find useful: never keep browser window open. And every other day do a "killall browserd"
Apr 02 19:10:14 <DocScrutinizer> and most likely you don't want to keep all your spam mail (and the few real mails) on your N900 at all
Apr 02 19:10:27 <DocScrutinizer> I.E. mail on N900 sucks, in several ways
Apr 02 19:11:25 <muellisoft> heh. maybe one should write a tiny package that just installs a cronjob to kill the browser at night...
Apr 02 19:11:30 <DocScrutinizer> get a few nice helpers, like 2g/3g switcher, simple brightness applet
Apr 02 19:11:58 <DocScrutinizer> there's no cron on N900
Apr 02 19:12:08 <DocScrutinizer> but there's alarmed, which is way better
Apr 02 19:13:12 <DocScrutinizer> load applet as well a must
Apr 02 19:13:30 <DocScrutinizer> as otherwise you won't even notice when something rapes your CPU or RAM
Apr 02 19:14:23 <DocScrutinizer> and without simple brightness applet I already had fixed this device with a sledge hammer ;-D
Apr 02 19:16:22 * Sicelo makes a note to get brightness applet sometime soon
Apr 02 19:16:27 <DocScrutinizer> if you got IRC running 24/7, like I do on my N900, you'll probably want 2G/3G switcher and usually keep modem at 2G
Apr 02 19:17:31 <DocScrutinizer> it will extend the average standbay time with IRC from 5 to 15 hours
Apr 02 19:17:39 <DocScrutinizer> standby
Apr 02 19:17:42 <DocScrutinizer> even
Apr 02 19:18:14 <DocScrutinizer> YMMV depending on number of channels and how much traffic on them
Apr 02 19:18:28 <DocScrutinizer> and how far you are from next "tower"
Apr 02 19:19:07 <DocScrutinizer> in extreme cases 2G can be more power conserving than WLAN
Apr 02 19:20:36 <DocScrutinizer> while 3G is a known power hog
Apr 02 19:22:09 <NIN101> and there is even one more secret "optimization" feature: reboot :P
Apr 02 19:23:48 <Sicelo> ;)
Apr 02 19:25:54 <Sicelo> btw, simple-brightness-applet simply does same thing as standard brightness control, at the expense of space in status menu. i'm not so sure it's for me. i use lowest brightness setting all the time, and ALS takes care of the rest 
Apr 02 19:28:37 <DocScrutinizer> well as long as you're happy with that, and don't feel the need to keep backlight from fading after 30s every now and then
Apr 02 19:29:52 <DocScrutinizer> flashlight is also cool, though clumsy to activate
Apr 02 19:30:23 <DocScrutinizer> literally saved my life a few times
Apr 02 19:30:33 <AliasXZ> my 2 cents - by using all of above and baterypatch with speedpatch + power kernel, clocked at 950mhz with conservative governer, I get 3 days of normal usage
Apr 02 19:30:47 <AliasXZ> if I'm lucky 4
Apr 02 19:30:50 <Sicelo> yeah, flashlight is kewl ;)
Apr 02 19:31:00 <DocScrutinizer> and batterypatch is a hoax
Apr 02 19:31:12 <DocScrutinizer> as is speedpatch
Apr 02 19:31:31 <Sicelo> AliasXZ: 4 days of use, or idling?
Apr 02 19:31:43 <AliasXZ> of use, I still use my N900 at work
Apr 02 19:32:16 <AliasXZ> however, that is putting the phone in offline mode @ night
Apr 02 19:32:23 <AliasXZ> don;t need it when im sleeping ;)
Apr 02 19:32:46 <DocScrutinizer> batpatch and speedpatch are already 2 of the needed 3 optimizers to finally kill your device. I'd guess your overclocking qualifies for #3 X-P
Apr 02 19:33:28 <AliasXZ> meh it's lasted 3 years so far
Apr 02 19:33:36 <DocScrutinizer> suuuuure
Apr 02 19:34:01 * DocScrutinizer is envy about the preprepreproduction device of AliasXZ
Apr 02 19:34:46 <AliasXZ> do you talk like this to everyone who adds a comment they feel is relevant?
Apr 02 19:35:13 <DocScrutinizer> I just comment on the supposed 3 years age of your device
Apr 02 19:36:08 <AliasXZ> yes it is 3 yrs old, got it 09 April
Apr 02 19:36:46 <AliasXZ> sorry its 2 years and 363 days old
Apr 02 19:37:06 * ShadowJK would imagine the "conservative" governor uses more energy on just about every practical CPU in existence
Apr 02 19:37:17 <DocScrutinizer> well maybe I get older much faster than I notice :-)
Apr 02 19:37:37 <AliasXZ> all im saying is, thats what I use with power kernel 42
Apr 02 19:37:38 <DocScrutinizer> hi ShadowJK 
Apr 02 19:37:50 <ShadowJK> hello
Apr 02 19:38:05 <AliasXZ> clocked - 250 - 950
Apr 02 19:39:08 <DocScrutinizer> well, I guess I don't have to ask infobot about OCing again
Apr 02 19:39:30 <DocScrutinizer> as everybody got fed up with this elemtary truth meanwhile
Apr 02 19:43:14 <DocScrutinizer> Sicelo: 4 days of idling would be a bit short a standby time
Apr 02 19:43:34 <DocScrutinizer> I think I easily get 7 days idle standby
Apr 02 19:44:03 <DocScrutinizer> I get 4 days with wlan and IRC, with a low number of small channels
Apr 02 19:46:44 <Sicelo> yeah. i was just wondering about AliasXZ's usage pattern
Apr 02 19:47:39 <DocScrutinizer> 'normal'
Apr 02 19:47:49 <AliasXZ> It's normal use, email, wifi, 2G only with a few phone calls, I don't talk on it for hours
Apr 02 19:48:05 <AliasXZ> i mostly text
Apr 02 19:48:22 <AliasXZ> IM accounts kill the battery
Apr 02 19:48:33 <DocScrutinizer> well, wifi means actually NO 2G
Apr 02 19:48:46 <AliasXZ> when im at work, there is no wifi
Apr 02 19:48:51 <AliasXZ> only when I am home
Apr 02 19:48:52 <DocScrutinizer> indeed, IM is terrible
Apr 02 19:49:15 <AliasXZ> i duno if it uses anything when it isn't act connected?
Apr 02 19:49:43 <DocScrutinizer> 2G? only uses power for data volume
Apr 02 19:50:06 <AliasXZ> no i mean wifi, if it is enabled, but not connected
Apr 02 19:50:21 <DocScrutinizer> that's why all those auto-disconnecters are mere nonsense usually
Apr 02 19:50:29 <DocScrutinizer> ooh yes
Apr 02 19:50:49 <ShadowJK> DDo you mean wifi connects but IM accounts disconnected?
Apr 02 19:51:00 <DocScrutinizer> it uses more whn unconnected then when connected. That's why you got those 5.10.30min scan pause in settings
Apr 02 19:52:00 <AliasXZ> the 3 day thing no IM accounts at all, if I use IM accounts its like a day to 1 + 1/2
Apr 02 19:52:02 <DocScrutinizer> "scan WIFI every 5min" basically means reduction to 1/5 of the power consumed, and that's still noticeable
Apr 02 19:52:07 <AliasXZ> if im lucky
Apr 02 19:52:25 <AliasXZ> I dont scan for wifi, all manual
Apr 02 19:52:45 <DocScrutinizer> very power concerning :-)
Apr 02 19:52:46 <AliasXZ> but ost ppl cant be bothered with that ;)
Apr 02 19:52:49 <AliasXZ> most*
Apr 02 19:53:58 <DocScrutinizer> anyway, bye folks
Apr 02 19:54:01 <AliasXZ> whats new with the latest stable cssu? (cant be bothered opening browser) :p
Apr 02 19:54:17 <AliasXZ> *waves*
Apr 02 19:55:13 <Raimu> Niceties!
Apr 02 19:55:31 <Raimu> To be honest if you can't be bothered with a browser that's a little offensive all by itself.
Apr 02 19:56:00 <AliasXZ> sorry :(
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Apr 02 20:44:40 <AliasXZ> bye everyone ;0
Apr 02 21:02:32 <whatever4ever> why use 2g/3g switcher? when do you go to 2g?
Apr 02 21:03:54 <whatever4ever> NIN101: but when I reboot, it comes up with significantly less battery showing than before I rebooted
Apr 02 21:06:35 <whatever4ever> what do you guys think about using all IM, skype, etc over bitlbee/irc on the n900?
Apr 02 21:07:11 <ShadowJK> reboot screws up battery meter
Apr 02 21:07:31 <ShadowJK> use 2g whenever you're not surfing the web
Apr 02 21:07:34 <whatever4ever> oh, so it auto-powers off sooner?
Apr 02 21:07:56 <whatever4ever> won't 2G make the connectivity worse and cause more reconnections? 
Apr 02 21:08:04 <ShadowJK> Um, depends on your operator
Apr 02 21:08:09 <ShadowJK> for me 3g is less reliable
Apr 02 21:08:10 <whatever4ever> tmo in cali
Apr 02 21:08:36 <ShadowJK> 3g is an enormous battery drain for all sorts of IM
Apr 02 21:08:53 <whatever4ever> why is it worse using IM than nothing? IM is low traffic...
Apr 02 21:09:02 <ShadowJK> Because it's frequent traffic
Apr 02 21:09:07 <whatever4ever> Also, using bitlbee for skype and all other IM - what do you think?
Apr 02 21:09:15 <ShadowJK> I'm not familiar with bitlbee
Apr 02 21:09:21 <whatever4ever> puts everything over IRC
Apr 02 21:09:38 <whatever4ever> Having contacts everywhere is getting crazy: pidgin, contacts, etc
Apr 02 21:09:54 <whatever4ever> everytime I IM on my desktop using skype my phone vibrates
Apr 02 21:40:45 <whatever4ever> Hey guys, when you get a long IM history (sms) - I've years of messages - I'd like to keep these, but also speed up various conversations opening...
Apr 02 21:41:04 <whatever4ever> I like the way skype does it where it doesn't have all the history in the same window.
Apr 02 21:54:26 <DocScrutinizer> you're aware that a huge SMS database most likely is one of the top culprits for device acting sluggish? And not only on opening conversations app, but also on any event that gets recorded to the database
Apr 02 21:54:57 <DocScrutinizer> and slowdown impact is global, not limited to the apps that use the database
Apr 02 21:56:02 <lolcat> Can't you export it to another program?
Apr 02 21:59:38 <ShadowJK> Well also the conversations is rendered by the browser..
Apr 02 22:03:13 <villager> whatever4ever: I'm certainly another who often switches to 2G. as 2G is generally both more reliable (better signal, longer range, fewer dropouts), and uses less battery... the *only* advantage of 3G is speed, and I don't need that very often
Apr 02 22:04:40 <ShadowJK> I used to get 256kbit/s on 2g, but it has dropped around here lately, so I now switch to 3g if I'm doing heavier web surfing, before I didn't do that
Apr 02 22:05:52 <villager> yeah, the 2G/3G switcher is a must-have
Apr 02 22:06:54 <lolcat> I love having 10mbps on the phone
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