**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Apr 04 02:59:59 2012
Apr 04 05:46:23 <MrPingu> hello, anyone around with knowledge about screens/digitizers?
Apr 04 06:54:33 <Hurrian> MrPingu, ping
Apr 04 07:05:12 <MrPingu> Hurrian, pong
Apr 04 07:10:16 <MrPingu> Anyway, my screen is sort of scratched. It looks like the uppermost layer has come off at some places. Something I don't understand while I never hit my screen with something hard and sharp. 
Apr 04 07:11:22 <MrPingu> I only need to replace the digitizer, if I am right?
Apr 04 07:15:40 <Sicelo> MrPingu: you missed people like DocScrutinizer yesterday. your issue does sound like a digitizer problem to me. i'm sure digitizer will really need replacing, whatever else may be the problem
Apr 04 07:18:16 <Sicelo> you'll do replacement on your own, or you will get someone to do it for you?
Apr 04 07:19:50 <MrPingu> Well I don't know yet, everything is still working fine but you really feel some relief when you wipe your finger over the screen
Apr 04 07:20:49 <MrPingu> I will get a new phone this summerp but I don't want to abandon my N900 ;)
Apr 04 07:21:57 <MrPingu> So if it's rather cheap to replace(don't even know where to get one) the digitizer, I will do that. Probably on my own
Apr 04 07:28:11 <Hurrian> yup, digitizer
Apr 04 07:28:35 <Hurrian> it's easy to replace, but you need to disassemble entire screen
Apr 04 07:29:43 <MrPingu> Thank you
Apr 04 07:30:24 <MrPingu> I don't want to spend much money on this phone as I know, it will become a toy in the summer and I am just a poor student
Apr 04 07:31:00 <MrPingu> Can I get some digitizer from ebay, or do you really discourage that?
Apr 04 07:31:52 <MrPingu> I mean, some places sell digitizers for about 80 EUR, some for 45 EUR and some for about 20.
Apr 04 07:41:11 <Coke> Hi. I'm looking at the buy & sell forums on maemo.org and it looks like N900 is a pretty attractive piece of hardware. I was looking to buy a new one since the old one's screen is slowly, but steadily, becoming less responsive. (maybe I polish it too much?)
Apr 04 07:41:40 <Coke> Is there any other phone or hardware that is comparable to the N900 in feature set, in particular the Linux feel and open repository?
Apr 04 07:42:00 <Coke> I basically only use the e-mail, IM and terminal.
Apr 04 07:42:16 <Coke> (oh and sometimes code a wee bit of python and perl)
Apr 04 07:42:27 <MrPingu> I don't think so
Apr 04 07:42:41 <Coke> Checked out a "top ten best keyboarded phones", but they were all running Android.
Apr 04 07:43:03 <MrPingu> Yeah, maemo is the only "real" linux
Apr 04 07:43:05 <Coke> N900 wasnt even on that list even though everyone knows it is and always will be the best phone that ever was/existed.
Apr 04 07:43:18 <Coke> MrPingu: I've got an N9, but I'm trying to get a refund
Apr 04 07:43:44 <Coke> first trip back to Nokia they reflashed it and sent it back, still trying to gets the moneys back.
Apr 04 07:45:18 <Coke> 950, E7 ? 
Apr 04 07:45:34 <MrPingu> E7, looks nice
Apr 04 07:45:44 <MrPingu> and there it stops: runing symbian
Apr 04 07:46:17 <Coke> Well... I prefer symbian
Apr 04 07:46:27 <Coke> over windows, that is.
Apr 04 07:46:34 <Coke> or what the hell "Nokia Belle OS" is
Apr 04 07:46:52 <MrPingu> Nokia Belle OS, is symbian ;)
Apr 04 07:46:53 <MrPingu> :P
Apr 04 07:47:28 <MrPingu> I used to make CFW's for Nokia 5800 XD
Apr 04 07:47:45 <Coke> I dont know what CFW or 5800 is
Apr 04 07:47:54 <Coke> All I know is that there is NO replacement for the N900.
Apr 04 07:47:59 <MrPingu> Symbian touchscreen phone ;)
Apr 04 07:48:13 <Macer> anybody know where the fengoffice # is?
Apr 04 07:48:26 <MrPingu> Sorry but I got to go, cya
Apr 04 07:48:39 <Macer> i still think the e7 is ok
Apr 04 07:49:00 <Coke> Has anyone tried running Maemo 5 on anything other than a N900 ?
Apr 04 07:49:03 <Coke> like maybe E7
Apr 04 07:49:17 <Macer> i am a lit7le curious about the nokia numbering system
Apr 04 07:49:19 <Coke> or perhaps even Samsung or HTC etc?
Apr 04 07:49:23 <Macer> seems random heh
Apr 04 07:49:49 <Macer> from n900 to n9
Apr 04 07:49:53 <Coke> Macer: no need to worry, now that Microsoft has bought Nokia they will name their phones   Phone 8, 9, 10, 11 and then 2015
Apr 04 07:50:06 <Coke> Macer: I don't think N9 is the next N900 tho
Apr 04 07:50:10 <Macer> they did??
Apr 04 07:50:14 <Coke> Macer: yes.
Apr 04 07:50:18 <Coke> where have you been?
Apr 04 07:50:19 <Macer> wow
Apr 04 07:50:25 <Macer> kind of saw that coming tho
Apr 04 07:50:32 <Coke> they didn't buy Nokia shares tho
Apr 04 07:50:39 <Macer> i mean officially purchased nokia?
Apr 04 07:50:42 <Coke> they just "bought" them, like a john buys a hooker.
Apr 04 07:50:44 <Macer> oh
Apr 04 07:50:50 <Macer> meh lol
Apr 04 07:51:04 <Coke> Wtf would anybody buy shares in a company that is spiralling out of control into financial disaster?
Apr 04 07:51:10 <Macer> MS Whore 1.0
Apr 04 07:51:13 <Coke> Yes.
Apr 04 07:51:25 <Macer> patents
Apr 04 07:51:30 <Macer> :-) 
Apr 04 07:51:35 <Coke> Actually, I prefer to try Maemo on a non-Nokia device since I dont want to support them financially
Apr 04 07:51:38 <Macer> im sure nokia has a ton of them
Apr 04 07:51:39 <Coke> But Im getting real desperate
Apr 04 07:51:47 <Coke> Macer: all useless.
Apr 04 07:51:53 <Coke> The best system ever created involved ZERO patents.
Apr 04 07:52:08 <Macer> not really... motorola had some great ones
Apr 04 07:52:14 <Macer> that google bought
Apr 04 07:52:38 <ShadowJK> You can't make anything at all without using patented technology
Apr 04 07:52:39 <Coke> Macer: motorolas stuff was shit and not really free software
Apr 04 07:53:00 <Coke> ShadowJK: Im talking software specifically
Apr 04 07:53:03 <Macer> uhm
Apr 04 07:53:14 <ShadowJK> coke: there too
Apr 04 07:53:16 <Macer> hardware patents wete good tho
Apr 04 07:53:35 <Macer> motorola has quite a few technologies on lock down
Apr 04 07:53:53 <Coke> ShadowJK: nah. there's a lot of complete systems that dont rely on any patented software.
Apr 04 07:54:06 <Macer> Coke: like? :-) 
Apr 04 07:54:14 <Coke> But if I can run Maemo5 on a motorola phone I will buy it
Apr 04 07:54:38 <Macer> heh. yeah that would be awesome
Apr 04 07:54:44 * ShadowJK wonders if the xor patent has expired yet
Apr 04 07:54:47 <Macer> but doubt it will ever happen
Apr 04 07:55:03 <Coke> Im googling for "maemo 5 on other devices", very sparse result list
Apr 04 07:55:27 <Macer> ShadowJK: doesnt matter. look at what disney did with mickey mouse
Apr 04 07:55:28 <ShadowJK> In general very few phones let you install anything on them
Apr 04 07:55:40 <Macer> heh
Apr 04 07:55:46 <ShadowJK> and then maemo only has drivers/etc for specific devices
Apr 04 07:55:57 <Macer> obviously time limitations dont apply when you have enough mobey
Apr 04 07:55:58 <Coke> http://openpandora.org/  <- lacking a 3g sim slot
Apr 04 07:56:01 <Macer> money
Apr 04 07:56:20 <ShadowJK> Macer; that's copyright
Apr 04 07:56:23 <ShadowJK> but yeah
Apr 04 07:56:40 <Macer> ShadowJK: not to mention coders in asia dont want to lose their jobs lol
Apr 04 07:56:56 <ShadowJK> what?
Apr 04 07:57:02 <Macer> and india... they will lock down whatever they can
Apr 04 07:57:12 <Macer> to ensure it cant be done
Apr 04 07:57:32 <Coke> I would easily pay $2000 for an OpenPandora if it had a phone feature too.
Apr 04 07:57:39 <Macer> no developer for a phone os wants to see another os on their phone
Apr 04 07:57:51 <Macer> job security
Apr 04 07:58:11 <Coke> I wish the phone market was more like the PC market
Apr 04 07:58:18 <Coke> You buy your parts and install whatever you want.
Apr 04 07:58:19 <Macer> especially when it works better heh
Apr 04 07:58:31 <Macer> take CM on the G1
Apr 04 07:58:47 <Macer> it was far better than any htc stock 
Apr 04 07:58:53 <ShadowJK> Coke; well they're changing that too :)
Apr 04 07:58:55 <Coke> So basically, what you guys are saying is: there's no phone that will ever replace the N900 ?
Apr 04 07:59:01 <Coke> ShadowJK: they tried
Apr 04 07:59:06 <Macer> doubt it
Apr 04 07:59:09 <Coke> ShadowJK: Microsoft tried to do the same thing Apple did.
Apr 04 07:59:10 <Coke> failed.
Apr 04 07:59:20 <Coke> In Europe, at least, you can refuse the EULA and get your OEM moneys back
Apr 04 07:59:27 <Coke> (on bundled software)
Apr 04 07:59:47 <Macer> n900 was one of a kind 
Apr 04 07:59:57 <Coke> and shitheads like Dell Europe will not advertise the fact that you can do that
Apr 04 07:59:58 <ShadowJK> Coke; no I mean they're trying to lock the bios to only load approved systems
Apr 04 07:59:59 <Macer> and even it wasnt really "open"
Apr 04 08:00:12 <Coke> ShadowJK: that will never work because diversity sells
Apr 04 08:00:26 <Macer> yeah
Apr 04 08:00:27 <Coke> To many vendors.
Apr 04 08:00:29 <Coke> too
Apr 04 08:00:42 <Macer> someone will wind up selling unlocked bios based boards
Apr 04 08:00:51 <Macer> and make a killing
Apr 04 08:00:54 <Coke> Yes.
Apr 04 08:01:40 <Coke> Nokia started making phones into a glorious market, but since MS bought them like cheap whores off the street all they have focused on for the N9 release is selling services that are locked to the phone,.
Apr 04 08:02:35 <Coke> Anyway, if you live in Europe you can get a refund for any bundled software and if you live in the US, buy from Dell; they deliver their systems with FreeDOS, some even with Ubuntu preinstalled.
Apr 04 08:03:23 <Coke> But Dell in Europe "recommends Windows 7 and Internet Explorer" so they keep a big hush hush on the FreeDOS alternatives.
Apr 04 08:04:19 <ShadowJK> if you say "recommends Windows 7", Microsoft funds your advertising
Apr 04 08:04:43 <Coke> Yes ofcourse.
Apr 04 08:04:56 <Coke> And Dell USA is refusing to sell me
Apr 04 08:05:13 <Coke> "Sorry to inform you, but we are prohibited from selling to your region"
Apr 04 08:05:59 <Coke> It's a sade state for capitalism and the free market economy when it's actually more profitable to take money from other vendors than your actual customers.
Apr 04 08:06:15 <Coke> That is, they'd rather have Microsofts money than mine. Same with Nokia.
Apr 04 08:06:32 <StyXman> Coke: money is money
Apr 04 08:06:45 <Coke> StyXman: but eventually someone will take another route and make a killing
Apr 04 08:06:50 <StyXman> it has become a goal in itself instead of a medium
Apr 04 08:07:15 <Coke> StyXman: the argument is that capitalism drives development for the better, it doesn't seem to be working for IT
Apr 04 08:07:20 <Coke> (through competition)
Apr 04 08:07:28 <StyXman> just the same routhe the trading and banking systems took
Apr 04 08:07:46 <StyXman> Coke: it is not working, period.
Apr 04 08:08:08 <Coke> StyXman: I think it will work for low earth orbit launch vehicles
Apr 04 08:08:18 <Coke> and also cars.
Apr 04 08:08:33 <Coke> I don't know any other market with the diversity of vendors and models that the car industry has
Apr 04 08:10:26 <Coke> StyXman: also, provisions and food
Apr 04 08:10:44 <Coke> I work in the food industry, we pretty much suck our customers off to get their attention.
Apr 04 08:11:24 <Coke> I think the lack of patents is beneficial to a market when it comes to diversity, development and customer satisfaction.
Apr 04 08:11:35 <Coke> Paying good lawyers is not a top priority for us, pleasing our customers is.
Apr 04 08:13:26 <StyXman> Coke: food industry? anything to do with your nick?
Apr 04 08:14:15 <Macer> drugs
Apr 04 08:14:24 <Coke> StyXman: ha.
Apr 04 08:14:25 <Coke> no.
Apr 04 08:15:41 <Macer> in US history blacks were not allowed to drink coca-cola because one of the ingredients was cocaine and it was believed cocaine made blacks rape white women
Apr 04 08:15:58 <Macer> (swear to God)
Apr 04 08:16:18 <Coke> Macer: hhhhhhrmmm
Apr 04 08:16:33 <Macer> look it up ;-) 
Apr 04 08:16:39 <Coke> I know americans are amongst the most gullable nations on the planet, but not even they could beleive such a fairytale.
Apr 04 08:16:56 <Coke> Wait hang on... My mistake, the nation is pretty much built on fairytale. :)
Apr 04 08:17:01 <Macer> haha
Apr 04 08:17:14 <Macer> well. it is true
Apr 04 08:17:21 * Sicelo lol
Apr 04 08:17:24 <Macer> the historical part
Apr 04 08:17:30 <Macer> not the rape part
Apr 04 08:18:05 <Macer> wikipedia might have it in their article on cocaine
Apr 04 08:21:52 <Coke> Macer: I'm thinking mostly about the religious part. 
Apr 04 08:22:38 <Macer> heh
Apr 04 08:23:42 <Macer> n 1914, Dr. Christopher Koch of Pennsylvania's State Pharmacy Board made the racial innuendo explicit, testifying that, “Most of the attacks upon the white women of the South are the direct result of a cocaine-crazed Negro brain."
Apr 04 08:24:59 <Macer> wow. lol. glad i didnt live during that period
Apr 04 08:25:03 <Coke> Yeah those were crazy days.
Apr 04 08:25:39 <Macer> cocaine-crazed Negro brain lol
Apr 04 08:25:58 <Macer> i mean.. it is bad but the wording is still kind of funny
Apr 04 08:28:32 <StyXman> Macer: it's the wording from that era
Apr 04 08:49:08 <DocScrutinizer> mrpingu should check if he maybe bought a used device with protector that comes off now
Apr 04 09:08:26 <Sicelo> ~ymmv
Apr 04 09:08:26 <infobot> ymmv is, like, Your Mileage May Vary
Apr 04 09:21:16 <StyXman> about open phones: openmoko
Apr 04 09:22:44 <StyXman> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openmoko#Golden_Delicious_GTA04_board
Apr 04 09:22:52 <StyXman> I think that's the most open
Apr 04 09:22:59 <thresh> hola
Apr 04 09:23:09 <StyXman> but no kb, veeeeeery small screen
Apr 04 09:23:13 <StyXman> thresh: buenas
Apr 04 09:23:23 <thresh> camera application on n900, taking minutes to "save" a photo after taking it
Apr 04 09:23:30 <thresh> hw problem? sw problem? should I kill myself?
Apr 04 09:23:50 <guly> blessn900?
Apr 04 09:24:11 <thresh> nope, regular camera app from latest CSSU
Apr 04 09:24:26 <Vib3> yo
Apr 04 09:24:39 <Vib3> why doesn't tvbgone work on power kernel?
Apr 04 09:24:50 <thresh> dmesg looks okayish
Apr 04 09:25:35 <Vib3> says: "trouble accessing IR device"
Apr 04 09:30:44 <Sicelo> thresh: mail the N900 to africa and kill yourself :P
Apr 04 09:31:00 <Sicelo> possibly corrupt FS
Apr 04 09:31:25 <thresh> i'll check MyDocs fs indeed
Apr 04 09:49:07 <thresh> classiccamera has no issues saving photos to a filesystem.
Apr 04 10:54:36 <DocScrutinizer> thresh: fist check *where* it actually saves the photos
Apr 04 10:54:45 <DocScrutinizer> first*
Apr 04 12:02:19 <shanttu> i'm going to an electronic shop and ask them to solder the usb-port down. how to remove the microsd-card "holder"?
Apr 04 12:06:57 <shanttu> memory card pcb
Apr 04 14:57:37 <MrPingu> DocScrutinizer,  I bought it new so it's really the screen that's coming off =(
Apr 04 14:58:05 <DocScrutinizer> oh shit
Apr 04 14:58:45 <DocScrutinizer> MrPingu: could you take a photo of it? possibly a macro?
Apr 04 14:59:40 <DocScrutinizer> shanttu: it's fixed by doublesided sticky "foam" tape
Apr 04 15:00:14 <DocScrutinizer> shanttu: if you're careful, you can peel/pry it off in a way so you can reuse the original sticky
Apr 04 15:01:45 <DocScrutinizer> if however it folds and wrinkles, just remove it completely prior to reassembly - it's not strictly mandatory for any property of the device
Apr 04 15:02:59 <DocScrutinizer> shanttu: I suggest you bring printouts of ~usbfix pics to repair shop, so they know what exactly they shall do
Apr 04 15:03:07 <DocScrutinizer> ~usbfix
Apr 04 15:03:08 <infobot> i heard usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater)
Apr 04 15:04:17 <shanttu> DocScrutinizer, I went there with pics. Guy who might do it wasn't around so I'll go there again
Apr 04 15:06:46 <shanttu> I'll talk with the guy if he can solder without removing sdcard-holder. Maybe guard the cable with something
Apr 04 15:08:38 <MrPingu> DocScrutinizer, where should I upload these pics?
Apr 04 15:09:44 <MrPingu> I made them with xperia arc, if you need higher quality pics, then I will get a "real" camera ;) But I think this would suffice
Apr 04 15:10:30 <DocScrutinizer> shanttu: I strongly discourage this approach. It's way harder to do a decent job on soldering when you can't reach to the USB due to LED daughter board in the way.
Apr 04 15:11:09 <DocScrutinizer> MrPingu: dunno where to upload pictures today ;-D
Apr 04 15:11:29 <shanttu> MrPingu, imgur?
Apr 04 15:11:45 <DocScrutinizer> :nod: 
Apr 04 15:11:52 <DocScrutinizer> sounds familiar
Apr 04 15:15:34 <shanttu> DocScrutinizer, thanks for your advice. Just seems a bit hard to remove the holder. 
Apr 04 15:16:22 <DocScrutinizer> shanttu: nah, not really. Just apply constant force peeling it off, and *wait*
Apr 04 15:16:39 <DocScrutinizer> it may take a minute or 2 to come off, but it will
Apr 04 15:16:54 <DocScrutinizer> slightly increased temperature may help a lot
Apr 04 15:18:19 <MrPingu> Hmm hmtl version of uploader is not very MicroB friendly :P Luckily the flash version works =)
Apr 04 15:18:30 <DocScrutinizer> shanttu: also make sure you covered cam lens by some thick sticky or a small patch of carton
Apr 04 15:18:57 <MrPingu> http://imgur.com/a/4jpyV
Apr 04 15:19:42 <DocScrutinizer> shanttu: and tell the repair dude he shal be careful with daughter board flex cable. No bending, no pulling
Apr 04 15:20:02 <StyXman> MrPingu: that's corsica!
Apr 04 15:20:21 <StyXman> (not coruscant nor caprica)
Apr 04 15:20:28 <DocScrutinizer> the "cable" is amazingly rugged, but *when* it breaks, that's a write-off
Apr 04 15:22:08 <DocScrutinizer> MrPingu: dammit, that thing is thoroughly marred
Apr 04 15:22:30 <MrPingu> StyXman, what do you mean with corsica?
Apr 04 15:22:47 <lolcat> I just got a N-7000
Apr 04 15:22:49 <MrPingu> Doc, its sad, isn't it? 
Apr 04 15:22:55 <DocScrutinizer> I gather the "dirt" all over the screen is the separator silicon oil from inside digitizer?
Apr 04 15:23:36 <MrPingu> No that's from my hands :P
Apr 04 15:24:00 <MrPingu> Really it feels like just the uppermost layer of the screen is "gone"
Apr 04 15:24:53 <StyXman> MrPingu: the strange thing on the screen, looks like the Corsica Island, close to south east France
Apr 04 15:25:03 <DocScrutinizer> I don't think there are many layers between surface and digitizer "guts"
Apr 04 15:26:58 <DocScrutinizer> anyway, a scary sight I never seen before. Looks like the digitizer got deteriorated by some solvent or sth
Apr 04 15:27:50 <DocScrutinizer> MrPingu: you say you bought it new, so you got warranty, no?
Apr 04 15:28:16 <MrPingu> Well, the problem is, those little on "holes" on the left just appeared some weeks ago
Apr 04 15:28:34 <MrPingu> and the bigger hole has there been since 5 months
Apr 04 15:29:09 <MrPingu> Well, it went kind of strange
Apr 04 15:29:37 <MrPingu> My dad's company had 2200 EUR left, for mobile phones
Apr 04 15:29:59 <MrPingu> He wanted to keep his old, so I had the right to choose one
Apr 04 15:30:05 <DocScrutinizer> MrPingu: get a spare digitizer!
Apr 04 15:30:50 <DocScrutinizer> and maybe you could try cleaning that thing and do another set of snapshots?
Apr 04 15:30:53 <MrPingu> Then the company went banktrupt, so I had to buy it new in box from sale for about 120 EUR
Apr 04 15:33:13 <DocScrutinizer> I honestly never have seen this sort of "fingerprints", c'mon! Or are you creaming your hands with tons of Nivea?
Apr 04 15:34:16 <DocScrutinizer> to me that looks like a fair amount of some smeary liquid got spread all across the screen
Apr 04 15:34:49 <MrPingu> Well you actually could be right
Apr 04 15:34:52 <DocScrutinizer> which I would identify as digitizer separator oil, taking into account the state this thing is in
Apr 04 15:37:57 <DocScrutinizer> try cleaning it with a damp cloth. If it absolutely doesn't take any water and forms lots of microscopic water droplets on the surface of that "dirt" then it probably is hydrophob silicon oil
Apr 04 15:38:51 <DocScrutinizer> if you can't remove it even with some mild detergent, then for sure it's silicon oil
Apr 04 15:40:00 <DocScrutinizer> if otoh you can clean it easily with damp cloth, then you probably just spilled your cappuccino over the screen
Apr 04 15:40:29 <lolcat> Detergent? You mean solvent?
Apr 04 15:40:46 <DocScrutinizer> nope
Apr 04 15:40:54 <DocScrutinizer> I mean "soap"
Apr 04 15:40:55 <lolcat> Like bleech is a detergent, it is not good for cleaning fat
Apr 04 15:41:11 <lolcat> Acetone is like a thousand times better
Apr 04 15:41:29 <StyXman> DocScrutinizer: I think MrPingu's problem is not the external grease marks, but the island-like «stains» behind it
Apr 04 15:41:33 <lolcat> A strong base, or a strong acicid is even better
Apr 04 15:41:48 <DocScrutinizer> sure, it easily dilutes your complete display
Apr 04 15:42:14 <DocScrutinizer> acetone! TZTZTZ
Apr 04 15:42:35 <DocScrutinizer> StyXman: ORLY?
Apr 04 15:42:41 <MrPingu> Hmm I probably spiled some drink on it, as it could be cleaned easily
Apr 04 15:42:50 <MrPingu> or I had some greasy hands
Apr 04 15:43:27 <lolcat> How do you forgett spilling a drink on your phone?
Apr 04 15:43:45 <DocScrutinizer> MrPingu: good, as that explains a) why you didn't mention digitizer malfunction and b) any problems with your skin on your fingertips
Apr 04 15:44:33 <DocScrutinizer> (silicon oil is rather irritant to skin)
Apr 04 15:45:33 <StyXman> DocScrutinizer: no, Orly is to the south east of Paris. France is more than Paris :)
Apr 04 15:45:47 <DocScrutinizer> still I think this "peeling" must be caused by either some aggressive chemical like a solvent, or by heat
Apr 04 15:45:54 <StyXman> (ok, ok, I'm just kindding. I'll shut up now)
Apr 04 15:47:24 <MrPingu> About problems with skin on fingertips is true :P
Apr 04 15:47:53 <MrPingu> My skin tends to "refresh" too much ;)
Apr 04 15:48:19 <MrPingu> So I got quite a possibility that my hands are greasy ;)
Apr 04 15:48:24 <DocScrutinizer> btw usual household cleaners for bathroom or for windows all have quite some aggressive chemicals and never may get used to clean your (any) display
Apr 04 15:50:07 <DocScrutinizer> the bathroom type has acids that reliably remove all antiglare and other coatings from your LCD, glasses, whatnot else
Apr 04 15:52:39 <DocScrutinizer> the window type has ammonia and/or other alkaline chemicals that also don't do good on delicate plastics and surface coating
Apr 04 15:53:13 <DocScrutinizer> also the solvents in there are not compatible with plastic sometimes
Apr 04 15:53:21 <edheldil> I clean my glasses with liquid soap ...
Apr 04 15:53:32 <edheldil> and water
Apr 04 15:53:33 <DocScrutinizer> soap is OK
Apr 04 15:53:42 <MrPingu> I only clean with slightly wet tissue
Apr 04 15:54:46 <MrPingu> http://imgur.com/a/m1Iyl
Apr 04 15:55:23 <DocScrutinizer> I once witnessed some 8 quite expensive CRT monitors got ruined by some dude cleaning them with Sidol GlassClean
Apr 04 15:58:57 <MrPingu> And what has the master to say?
Apr 04 16:00:27 <MrPingu> Btw one pic, before the cleaning is in that album...
Apr 04 16:06:19 <MrPingu> Where to get a digitizer? I mean are there "fakes" out there?
Apr 04 16:12:58 <MrPingu> Can't they see at nokia care, how old an device is? I mean, by means off unit number, or IMEI? 
Apr 04 17:07:57 <a-saint> can you please provide me with the page on how to install the wireless drivers for the power kernel50
Apr 04 17:10:17 <MrPingu> Download the kp49 package driver,
Apr 04 17:11:04 <MrPingu> extract only the compat wireless folder( the folder with the .ko files) 
Apr 04 17:11:24 <MrPingu> extract kp50 driver, and overwrite those .ko files
Apr 04 17:11:55 <MrPingu> then to load: cd /home/user/MyDocsyour/driver/folder
Apr 04 17:12:00 <MrPingu> sh load.sh
Apr 04 17:12:15 <MrPingu> to unload, do sh unload.sh
Apr 04 17:13:01 <MrPingu> http://david.gnedt.eu/blog/wl1251/
Apr 04 17:13:10 <MrPingu> everything can be downloaded ;)
Apr 04 17:14:22 <a-saint> MrPingu, do i have to load unload everytime i want to use kleven
Apr 04 17:14:30 <a-saint> cleven*
Apr 04 17:22:17 <a-saint> MrPingu, how can i downgrade to the old power kernel seems to work fine with no hassle 
Apr 04 17:24:42 <MrPingu> You just need to replace the new .ko files with the old
Apr 04 17:24:42 <Sicelo> you can just downgrade as usual. if you're not so brave, you can revert to stock, then install a kernel of your choice
Apr 04 17:25:06 <MrPingu> no I talk nonsense
Apr 04 17:26:19 <MrPingu> Anyway, just use aircrack-ng from terminal and/or get wifite.py. No GUI tool can beat wifite. I managed to crack a WEP in 3 minutes and 55 seconds ;)  
Apr 04 17:26:50 <MrPingu> And cleven is still usable, only it says so it found incompatible kernel
Apr 04 17:27:21 <MrPingu> ofcourse you need to have the new drivers for 50 then...
Apr 04 17:28:09 <a-saint> MrPingu, yeah and i don't seem to find a decent tutorial on how to install the compatible drivers 
Apr 04 17:28:56 <MrPingu> I want to help you, but not now. I have to go
Apr 04 17:29:21 <a-saint> MrPingu, just provide me with a link 
Apr 04 17:29:36 <a-saint> MrPingu, anyways thank you for your help
Apr 04 17:29:44 <MrPingu> http://david.gnedt.eu/blog/wl1251/
Apr 04 17:29:56 <MrPingu> there is all you need...
Apr 04 17:30:17 <MrPingu> for tutorial, search cleven thread, or faircrack or kp50 thread on TMO
Apr 04 17:30:20 <MrPingu> cya
Apr 04 19:02:52 <a-saint> Pali can you point me to the right place where i can make cleven work with the PK50 
Apr 04 19:03:51 <Pali> I do not use cleven, I have no idea about that app
Apr 04 19:04:48 <a-saint> Pali Hm I see thank you 
Apr 04 19:07:41 <a-saint> someone is using cleven and made it work with the latest PK50 
Apr 04 23:30:34 <BCMM> is bugzilla dead?
Apr 05 00:58:30 <DocScrutinizer> maemo bugzilla? I heard it's r/o now? or I'm dreaming fever
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