**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Apr 11 02:59:58 2012 Apr 11 05:51:15 I'm wizard! I can vote for packages in maemo.org package interface more times :-) See: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/kernel-power/2.6.28-10power50/ Apr 11 05:52:53 DocScrutinizer, what do you think about my new power? :D Apr 11 05:53:19 or only other bug in maemo package interface... Apr 11 06:35:01 DocScrutinizer, fmtx power_level is limited to 120 in kernel, because that is the maximum value the chip itself accepts, it is a HW limit, not a SW one Apr 11 07:28:56 hey, anybody know how to open mail for exchange via the terminal? I'd like to remove the account I setup, but the icon for some reason disappeared.. Don't know if it's related to the fact I installed syncevolution(which seems strange). Clicking the MfE applet in control panel only opens the new account wizard. Apr 11 07:48:17 ToJa92: it's in settings Apr 11 07:48:25 ToJa92: accounts Apr 11 07:49:41 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/04/11/office_for_symbian/ <-- hah Apr 11 07:51:12 they're a bit late to the party with that, aren't they? Apr 11 07:51:47 not really Apr 11 07:51:52 they still have huge marketshare Apr 11 07:52:01 symbian is still most popular OS Apr 11 07:52:16 jacekowski: Thanks, but the MfE applet in the control panel seems to have forgotten about it and wants me to create a new account Apr 11 07:52:28 ToJa92: accounts, not MfE Apr 11 07:52:36 you should be able to delete it there Apr 11 07:54:12 don't see any account applet, I'm running latest stable CSSU if that makes a difference. There's just sharing accounts and voip/im accounts Apr 11 07:57:37 jacekowski: for now, but isn't it on the way out? Apr 11 08:33:00 jacekowski: "Solved" it by clearing user data, I reflashed yesterday anyway so no big deal Apr 11 08:38:20 * RST38h yawns Apr 11 08:50:13 RST38h: please don't, it's contagious :) Apr 11 09:00:45 Pali: yes, you're obviously right, it says 120 is max, but it doesn't mention what happens when you use higher values Apr 11 09:03:31 Pali: I agree a sane kerneldriver shall handle that. Hackers however might want to test what happens at 130, 256, ... Apr 11 09:04:34 * DocScrutinizer idly woders if there's any sane setting in UI for compressor, limiter, etc Apr 11 09:16:20 DocScrutinizer, you can patch kernel driver to remove 120 limit and try what happends Apr 11 09:16:37 I can :-D Apr 11 09:17:08 I can do even more elementary things, like direct control via i2cset ;-D Apr 11 09:39:46 earthquake near Sumatra? Apr 11 10:04:34 2004-tsunami regions got tsunami alarm Apr 11 10:05:11 dang Apr 11 10:06:26 spread the warning! Apr 11 10:08:59 I mean, you might know of channels to alarm people that otherwise would miss the warning. Of course there's no use to spam official channels that definitely already are aware Apr 11 10:13:26 magnitude 8.7 Apr 11 10:14:46 500km west of Banda Aceh Apr 11 10:16:41 tsunami alarm regions: Indonesien, Australien, Kenia, Südafrika, Iran, Singapur. Apr 11 10:34:21 DocScrutinizer, no point warning Australians, they are all in the pub Apr 11 10:34:23 ;-p Apr 11 10:34:47 they will just have to build rafts out of pint glasses Apr 11 10:44:44 some of them might look at their xchat on N900 while sipping their beer Apr 11 10:46:08 honestly I don't hope a warning via IRC is reaching anybody who needs to start running, it may reach somebody who knows of such a person though and who might decide to give that person a call or whatever Apr 11 11:00:20 "No tsunami" says Horst Letz, German consultant of Indonesian tsunami warning center Apr 11 11:03:41 yo Apr 11 11:03:54 hmmm nmap doesn't work with 3G Apr 11 11:04:28 says: route_dst_netlink: can't find interface "gprs0" Apr 11 11:05:16 tsunami warning cancelled Apr 11 11:06:27 Vib3: not necessarily 3G.. new nmap has that problem. use the one just before that Apr 11 11:06:55 5.50-2 Apr 11 11:37:06 Sicelo: ooh? any pointer to details? Apr 11 11:37:46 hmm, first is that i've used it and got the same error.. Apr 11 11:37:56 i think there's a site too .. lemme see Apr 11 11:38:17 http://zitstif.no-ip.org/?tag=n900-nmap-fix Apr 11 11:41:01 well, the guy uses apt-get upgrade, which is wrong i know.. Apr 11 11:43:51 aftershock quake 8.1, tsunami warning still extended by 2 hours Apr 11 11:45:26 actually.. let me 'contribute' by submitting some bug report.. or let Vib3 do so :/ Apr 11 11:47:06 ah, it's already known, http://talk.maemo.org/member.php?u=41365 , psycho_oreos Apr 11 11:51:54 Sicelo: sorry, I can't make a story out of all that Apr 11 11:53:35 is it a bug in new version of nmap for fremantle? or a bug in fremantel or powerkernel or whatever else? or no bug at all? and what are the recommendations to cope with the problem? Apr 11 11:53:57 is anybody taking care about all that? Apr 11 11:59:50 its nmap 5.59BETA1 Apr 11 11:59:56 dunno wheres the problem Apr 11 12:00:38 ohh gives same with wlan0 Apr 11 12:01:24 kernel 2.6.28.10-power50 here Apr 11 12:06:00 looks like the but is with nmap for fremantle. no progress seems to have been made. only suggestion is to revert Apr 11 12:06:37 lemme check Apr 11 12:10:40 nmap 5.59BETA1 promoted to testing 2011-07-13 by N. Reynolds Apr 11 12:10:54 5.50 in stable Apr 11 12:11:20 that script works fine and nmap 5.50-2 also works fine Apr 11 12:11:54 Sicelo: where's the "suggestion to revert"? Apr 11 12:12:03 Vib3: which script? Apr 11 12:12:22 DocScrutinizer: that what Sicelo linked Apr 11 12:12:38 maybe Sicelo means this -> "Firstly, the newest beta version of nmap (5.59BETA1_armel) appears to be buggy enough to the point where it’s almost unusable." Apr 11 12:12:46 umm, that no-ip.org stuff? Apr 11 12:12:48 DocScrutinizer: http://zitstif.no-ip.org/?tag=n900-nmap-fix Apr 11 12:12:51 yea Apr 11 12:14:56 Nathan Reynolds Apr 11 12:14:58 Thanks Christos, I'm aware of the issue and working to address it with the next build of the 5.59 beta. You were correct to suggest using the version in Extras in the meantime, thank you! Apr 11 12:14:59 2011-07-16 23:59 UTC Apr 11 12:15:05 http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/nmap/5.59BETA1/ Apr 11 12:17:11 k, so using 5.50 Apr 11 12:17:27 yeah.. works like a charm ;) Apr 11 12:17:35 yeap Apr 11 12:18:18 damn that didn't see that by default, app manager just offered that unstable 5.59beta Apr 11 12:18:49 >>apt-get update && apt-get upgrade -y<< bwahahaha Apr 11 12:19:22 yeah.. i wonder why this guy is doing that Apr 11 12:20:23 maybe he wants to upgrade things ;p Apr 11 12:20:32 Vib3: i didn't use the script .. (i don't quite truest everything else the guy is doing) Apr 11 12:21:50 I did :p Apr 11 12:22:02 but now back to thesis, bye -> Apr 11 12:25:44 Sicelo, hmm? you've highlighted me Apr 11 12:26:38 DocScrutinizer, been trying to somehow avert that buggy autodisconnect issue, so far still losing, may have a go at it again on the weekend before completely giving up and setting it up from scratch.　I'd hate to really do it from a clean slate :) Apr 11 12:27:56 :nod: Apr 11 12:29:42 you *should* be able to analyze the autodisconnect pkg (and possibly prev version pkgs as well), see what files get installed and what postinstall scripts run and what they do, and revert all this. If you need "clean" genuine files for some reverting, just ask me Apr 11 12:29:46 psycho_oreos: just a 'side effect' .. we were talking about nmap problems, and you made a nice post on tmo, that helps :) Apr 11 12:30:03 and that issue is extremely bad if I'm not mistaken. I've left the bug as it was (when it constantly asked for a network to connect to) even when the device is off, somehow the complete battery drain (even though the device was never turned on for almost 2 weeks) seemed really fatal Apr 11 12:30:54 quite possible Apr 11 12:30:59 *nods* there's that triggers which is called within the setting up/removal of autodisconnect. I　think I'll have a look at those after giving one more try in a different attempt Apr 11 12:32:05 Sicelo, ahh nw, someone found that out before me though.　I think it was recorded on bugs.maemo.org iinm when I saw the fix first or something.. anyhow someone found the fix and I　just sorta relayed it. Never bothered upgrading my copy of nmap to the latest since then even though it kept telling me there's an update available for it Apr 11 12:33:44 the reason to disable extras-devel/testing immediately after installation of the pkg you were interested in Apr 11 12:34:01 as for that offtopic news on tsunami hitting .au = unlikely :) --->　http://www.bom.gov.au/tsunami/national.shtml Apr 11 12:34:46 pretty much but at the same time being a dare devil (for the right and wrong reasons) does sorta work its way out Apr 11 12:35:21 if there is a tsunami threat to australia Apr 11 12:35:52 I'm pretty sure the aussies would simply throw a bunch of dropbears right into the ocean, make that wave go back where it came from. Apr 11 12:36:21 wow, that script at http://zitstif.no-ip.org/?tag=n900-nmap-fix is epic :-P Apr 11 12:36:52 the cmdline options analyzing with egrep alone is a highlight Apr 11 12:37:47 update.sh -extranonormalstuffwtf?? will work just like update.sh normal Apr 11 12:40:52 there's exactly one useful line in that script: `` apt-get install nmap=5.50-2 libaprutil1=1.3.9-2 libapr1=1.4.2-1 --force-yes -'' (though I friggin wonder what the ``-'' at the end is for) Apr 11 12:47:30 DocScrutinizer: it ends with -y not - Apr 11 12:51:09 merlin1991: here I don't see that Apr 11 12:51:20 here I have a scrollbar at the bottom Apr 11 12:51:25 oooh Apr 11 12:51:39 not in konqueror Apr 11 12:52:01 browser madness ftw Apr 11 12:52:15 the full line actually is apt-get install nmap=5.50-2 libaprutil1=1.3.9-2 libapr1=1.4.2-1 --force-yes -y; Apr 11 12:52:20 so this guy sucks not only in shellscript writing and in apt and maemo, but also in html ;-P Apr 11 12:53:24 :P Apr 11 12:53:26 aah nope, there it is: a scrollbar - I'm just blinded by that webpage design Apr 11 12:54:39 indeed, even ``-y;'', but now that I've scrolled, I can't highlight the line anymore to c&p it here ;-P Apr 11 12:54:44 * Sicelo congratulates himself for getting DocScrutinizer to click a random link ;) Apr 11 12:55:00 indeed, Sicelo Apr 11 12:55:37 well, I'm afk now. Get some other RL crap 'sorted' Apr 11 13:01:50 "tsunami aftershock not causing any tsunami either" says German TV ZDF correspondent Peter Kunz Apr 11 13:04:02 s/tsunami/earthquake/. Apr 11 13:14:42 anybody here have a nas? like a synology or qnap? Apr 11 13:16:21 Whoo, Nokia shares plummeted. Apr 11 13:16:33 haven't they for a while now? :) Apr 11 13:16:35 heh Apr 11 13:16:39 i figured they'd be bankrupt by now Apr 11 13:16:42 rightfully so Apr 11 13:18:35 the dow has been brutal Apr 11 13:18:40 guess they could only prop it up for so long Apr 11 13:18:52 fundamentals have seriously gone out the window of late Apr 11 13:22:27 :/ Apr 11 13:22:37 Meltmi will save them! Apr 11 13:23:05 melt me or meltemi? Apr 11 13:24:38 * DocScrutinizer wonders idly what all the "maemo.org funding is set for this year at least" will be worth when a serious share shock hits whole company Apr 11 13:25:21 Raided for 'core buisness activities' - they're opening up a boot factory. Apr 11 13:25:53 tires Apr 11 13:26:17 Back to basics. Apr 11 13:26:37 or maybe rubber dinghy Apr 11 13:26:57 mmrf. Apr 11 13:27:05 exchange svarer ikke. Apr 11 13:40:46 What company owns maemo.org? Apr 11 13:41:26 Nokia Apr 11 13:41:44 IroN900:~# apt-cache policy nmap Apr 11 13:41:45 Installed: (none) Apr 11 13:41:47 Candidate: 5.59BETA1 Apr 11 13:41:47 They still exist? Apr 11 13:42:35 You'd think elop was hung in the finnish forests for his betrayal Apr 11 13:42:44 so wwhich apt-* cmd would I execute, which line add to which config file, to disallow installation of any nmap- 5.59BETA1, no matter from which source? Apr 11 13:44:00 pinning, i suppose :/ Apr 11 13:44:23 heard there's such a thing like pinning, NFC about apt Apr 11 13:44:24 * Sicelo just used apt-get install nmap= though Apr 11 13:44:35 :nod: Apr 11 13:44:39 last resort Apr 11 13:45:00 deprecating the 59BETA preferred Apr 11 13:51:53 man, I remember reading that Texrat had bought nokia shares recently =) Apr 11 13:53:09 ouch Apr 11 13:54:15 heh, serious? Apr 11 13:54:45 dunno Apr 11 14:27:48 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/04/11/noka_lumia_bug/ <-- hahahaha Apr 11 14:42:32 ruskie: useless article, where's the details? Apr 11 14:42:58 and some people miss the point Apr 11 14:52:49 http://conversations.nokia.com/2012/04/11/putting-people-first/ Apr 11 14:54:03 software issue seemingly, not hardware Apr 11 14:54:07 so no idea why they'd do this Apr 11 14:54:27 (also, they're sending "at&t credit", so that probably costs nokia next to 0) Apr 11 14:57:52 hmm Apr 11 14:58:04 does this mean 'you can buy windows apps with this, but little else' ? Apr 11 15:01:52 and probably send sms =) Apr 11 15:02:26 (extra rate sms) Apr 11 15:27:26 hello Apr 11 15:30:33 hello Apr 11 17:36:09 http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-57412225-281/this-internet-provider-pledges-to-put-your-privacy-first-always/ Apr 11 18:03:03 Macer: "around $20 a month without data caps" Apr 11 18:03:05 lies Apr 11 18:03:27 lol Apr 11 18:03:32 yeah that's what i thought too Apr 11 18:03:45 but who knows.. if they get the volume they may be able to pull it off Apr 11 18:03:54 no such thing as "without data caps" Apr 11 18:04:14 given that most drug dealers and child porn exchangers don't use much data Apr 11 18:04:27 i can see the drug dealers not... but the child porn guys would max their network out Apr 11 18:04:52 yeah heh... you're right there Apr 11 18:05:06 but then again they're building the infrastructure from the ground up without any other networking burdens Apr 11 18:05:09 like phone lines and dsl Apr 11 18:05:14 or tv Apr 11 18:05:40 att for instance uses its data lines for cell phones... house phones.... and dsl.. maybe even more things Apr 11 18:05:58 well.. it's network Apr 11 18:06:20 comcast uses their network for everthing as well Apr 11 18:06:54 if the startup company uses their network solely for wireless cell data comm... i can see them at least being able to offer it for quite some time Apr 11 18:07:10 and cricket showed you can actually be a startup cell phone company Apr 11 18:07:19 you just need tower space :) Apr 11 18:07:48 and don't need to build a huge city wide wired infrastructure Apr 11 20:07:50 Wired infra is needed if you want to serve more than 2 users Apr 11 20:09:24 My local cell tower has no wired uplink, but it serves about 30 users, and we get .25 Mbit/s on it :) Apr 11 20:09:26 yep Apr 11 20:10:13 * ShadowJK usually has phone use the other tower, which is about 10km away, and has proper uplink Apr 11 20:10:41 you get those 25mb/s only if nobody else is using data on same cell Apr 11 20:11:56 hello Apr 11 20:13:35 does anyone in here have experience with flashing the n900 from a recovery console? Apr 11 20:14:00 it should be possible but mtd_debug tells me that the image is too large (rootfs.jffs2 to mtd5) Apr 11 20:42:25 Hi all Apr 11 20:42:38 Thx fo KP50 guys Apr 11 20:42:49 to KP50 guys :) Apr 11 20:56:33 anyone here? Apr 11 21:02:39 http://mosh.mit.edu/ Apr 11 21:12:51 nice Apr 11 21:13:07 someone could add mosh to repos :p Apr 11 21:13:30 thats what i was thinking :) Apr 11 22:18:52 WTF?! my WLAN is still on the pub's AP and allegedly connected, though I left there 15 min ago and am 500m away now Apr 11 22:19:29 should've switched to GPRS and then to my home AP meanwhile... Apr 11 22:19:33 >:-( Apr 11 22:19:42 anybody ever seen this? Apr 11 22:23:32 looks pretty fsckdup as well: /usr/sbin/mmc-mount Apr 11 22:24:08 or simply: Apr 11 22:24:17 #!/bin/sh Apr 11 22:24:19 mount -t vfat -o $3,noauto,nodev,noexec,nosuid,noatime,nodiratime,utf8,uid=29999,shortname=mixed,dmask=000,fmask=0133,rodir "$1" "$2" > /dev/null Apr 11 22:24:45 WTF is *THAT*? Apr 11 22:24:57 err Apr 11 22:25:01 sorry, ECHAN Apr 11 22:35:58 the "right" parameters ;-) Apr 11 22:37:40 WLAN disaster start: http://paste.debian.net/162936/ smells like wl1251 freakout Apr 11 22:39:22 or I managed to drop into a race condition Apr 11 22:40:45 * DocScrutinizer feeds ICD2 to the hypnotoad ( www.r33b.net ) Apr 11 22:40:49 talking about wireless Apr 11 22:40:53 i've noticed one thing Apr 11 22:41:04 when i run linux on my laptop Apr 11 22:41:13 it has all that regulatory domain crap and stuff Apr 11 22:41:15 for wifi Apr 11 22:41:25 and it somehow detects country where laptop is located at the moment Apr 11 22:41:35 because it somehow managed to detect that i'm in belgium Apr 11 22:41:56 umm Apr 11 22:42:02 it's a hoax Apr 11 22:42:28 it doesn't "detect" that Apr 11 22:42:58 it gets it from your TZ, LOCALE, whatever Apr 11 22:43:17 nah Apr 11 22:43:23 it's set to uk Apr 11 22:43:34 i've started it up in belgium, and it detected belgium Apr 11 22:43:50 I guess you got a belgium device Apr 11 22:44:09 less -f Apr 11 22:44:21 i'm talking about laptop not phone Apr 11 22:44:26 errr Apr 11 22:44:36 then it's set un your wlan card Apr 11 22:45:16 thing is it detected belgium and when i was back in the uk it detected uk Apr 11 22:45:26 o.O Apr 11 22:45:39 NFC how THAT shall work Apr 11 22:45:39 exactly Apr 11 22:46:13 hmmmmmm Apr 11 22:46:27 http://linuxwireless.org/en/developers/Documentation/cfg80211 Apr 11 22:46:36 802.11 country information Apr 11 22:46:37 APs can provide an ISO/IEC 3166-1 country code and a channel list (with associated max tx power setting.) Apr 11 22:46:44 a few years ago there was an april's fool in IT mag c't, that pretended to detect where you are, and they used TZ etc to find out, rather than spinning HDD as compass Apr 11 22:47:36 mhm, blame AP Apr 11 22:47:49 nifty Apr 11 22:48:03 kinda scary Apr 11 22:48:11 big brother kinda scary Apr 11 22:48:16 why? Apr 11 22:48:38 tell your IP you're on your very own island and you're king there ;-D Apr 11 22:48:46 s/IP/AP/ Apr 11 22:48:46 DocScrutinizer meant: tell your AP you're on your very own island and you're king there ;-D Apr 11 22:52:11 * DocScrutinizer curses a bit about yesterday's drive-by asker with his allegedly broken kbd backlight, then wanders off for chillout Apr 11 23:17:33 back Apr 11 23:17:38 /help Apr 11 23:17:47 oopss sticky spacebar Apr 11 23:22:35 so, is there any way to flash rootfs from a bash shell with only basic unix utilities and mtd-utils + ubi utils? Apr 11 23:22:47 i have the image on the device Apr 11 23:26:42 hello, I'm looking for troubleshooting assistance for my n900. Is this an appropriate channel for questions? Apr 11 23:27:12 ask away, maybe it is :P Apr 11 23:27:44 I am wondering if there is some little CLI application for maemo that will simply run, get the current GPS coordinates, then quit Apr 11 23:28:24 I just want to be able to trace my phone in case I lose it or it is stolen or whatever, then I can SSH into it and run that, then look up the coordinates on google maps Apr 11 23:28:56 I'm not sure exactly what to search on for this problem. Some section of my file system is not available (the big one) and I'm not sure how long it's been gone or what I did to lose it. Apr 11 23:29:07 I don't remember what the mount was called Apr 11 23:29:09 Neutron_: pyside exposes the qt-mobility api Apr 11 23:29:14 should be easy to hack that up Apr 11 23:29:37 djhenry: do you mean /home/user/MyDocs ? Apr 11 23:29:44 i dont really know about the n900 gps but usually it is exposed as a serial port interface Apr 11 23:29:44 are you by any chance using cssu-testing? Apr 11 23:29:54 yes Apr 11 23:30:19 I think I'm talking about MyDocs but I still appear to have that mounted with some stuff in it Apr 11 23:30:35 I am using cssu-testing but I didn't realize that until after the fact. I thought I was using stable. Apr 11 23:31:20 djhenry: check if you have a proper script in /etc/init.d/ke-recv Apr 11 23:31:23 also, if i am to ditch the NAND rootfs altogether and put my rootfs on the eMMC or a sdcard, what parts would i need to edit besides udev rules and preinit Apr 11 23:33:54 djhenry: if you have a symlink instead of a scriptfile follow this: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1189843&postcount=550 Apr 11 23:34:04 I have ke-recv -> /lib/init/upstart-job and ke-recv.dpkg-new Apr 11 23:34:13 thats a symlink Apr 11 23:34:17 ok, I'll check it out Apr 11 23:34:21 tyvm! Apr 11 23:34:27 I see, well I was hoping to find something ready made, I am not a programmer, so can't do much :> Apr 11 23:37:47 Neutron_: SMSCON will send you GPS coordinates in a message, maybe that would suit your purposes Apr 11 23:39:00 fortytwo: interesting, I will look into that Apr 11 23:40:05 hopefully it can be configured to take commands over 3G or wifi as well, so it can be found even if it the finder removes the SIM from it Apr 11 23:40:06 :) Apr 11 23:54:30 I really wish nokia would have followed up the maemo platform more than they did Apr 11 23:54:51 maemo was the phone/tablet OS I liked best by far Apr 11 23:55:13 yeah, it stucks that they killed it Apr 11 23:55:42 i think it was too fragile and too complicated for end users Apr 11 23:56:04 yeah but that is a result of lack of support Apr 11 23:56:39 with more support from nokia there could have been a larger community of developers to make user friendly applications Apr 11 23:57:22 almost did it :p Apr 11 23:57:32 ive got a n900 without usb jack Apr 11 23:57:38 and i bricked it Apr 11 23:57:54 now im trying to put maemo on sd card for it to boot Apr 11 23:58:09 I see. no way to fix the USB jack? Apr 11 23:58:22 no Apr 11 23:58:23 or get a semi okish connection just to reflash it Apr 11 23:58:32 this one rippedd of the traces from the pcb Apr 11 23:58:40 aaah sucks Apr 11 23:58:40 my previous one just broke the solder Apr 11 23:58:44 does it take a charge then? Apr 11 23:58:49 this one is fubar Apr 11 23:59:07 i have a external charger Apr 11 23:59:08 in my country there would be a 5 year warranty on such things Apr 11 23:59:16 assuming you didn't break it yourself by accident Apr 11 23:59:21 yeah they give you a N8 for it Apr 11 23:59:25 tried that trick once Apr 11 23:59:49 the law dictates 2 years in my country but my old one still had official warranty Apr 12 00:00:24 which OS does the N8 have? Apr 12 00:00:39 that new symbian os from nokia Apr 12 00:01:00 xcept for os choice and CPU its a nice phone Apr 12 00:01:11 no keyboard though Apr 12 00:01:11 its got a 600mhz armv5 core Apr 12 00:01:17 that too Apr 12 00:01:28 and its locked so no linux custom roms Apr 12 00:01:32 that's a real killer with new devices. Apr 12 00:01:39 silly touch screen Apr 12 00:01:55 yeah Apr 12 00:02:48 I'd never take that phone as a replacement for the N900.. :P Apr 12 00:04:00 is dsmetool -b any different than just rebooting the phone? Apr 12 00:04:02 i had no choice Apr 12 00:04:06 yeah Apr 12 00:04:15 good night Apr 12 00:04:25 its more like a reset button push Apr 12 00:04:37 ah, it does seem quite a bit faster Apr 12 00:04:41 kernel immediately reboots instead of graceful shutdown Apr 12 00:05:18 sometimes my desktop linux scares me Apr 12 00:05:31 nautilus warned: could not inhibit power mgmt Apr 12 00:05:41 why the hell would a filemanager need to do that Apr 12 00:06:05 do OEM nokia batteries normally have a production date stamp on them? Apr 12 00:07:00 mine only hasa serial Apr 12 00:07:03 some time ago I went and bought a new genuine battery, but it didn't really have much more capacity than my old one.. then suddenly it got so bad that I switched back to the old battery Apr 12 00:07:46 weird Apr 12 00:08:01 but it might have been on the shelf for a long time Apr 12 00:08:20 Li-ion batteries degrade even when they are not used Apr 12 00:08:51 they degrade worse when not used than when used iirc Apr 12 00:09:41 not really sure, but they are said to be best stored at 70% of its full charge, but if you leave it over time I guess the charge dies so it degrades faster than when it is used Apr 12 00:10:16 almost got my sdcard-rootfs to work it just wont mount /dev properly proc,sysfs dont get mounted at all Apr 12 00:11:24 peterbjornx: running what os the sd card? Apr 12 00:13:05 maemo Apr 12 00:13:23 i got my rootfs bricked and dont have a usb jack anymore Apr 12 00:13:38 luckily i had uboot installed Apr 12 00:14:35 peterbjornx: nice move - hope you get it working and write up a how-to ;) Apr 12 00:15:09 how to would be hard Apr 12 00:15:12 all n900 usb jacks are doomed to fail one day I reckon ;) Apr 12 00:15:18 its really a bit of trial on error Apr 12 00:15:26 * jpinx installs uboot as a precaution Apr 12 00:15:28 ive burnt thru 3 already Apr 12 00:15:56 uboot is really nice in that it also allows for loading a kernel from storage Apr 12 00:16:11 so no flasher involved but full freedom with software Apr 12 00:17:04 nice - will it do massive upgrades without reflashing? Apr 12 00:17:19 like what? Apr 12 00:17:47 kernel upgrade just requires a sd card with a 3 partition layout, fat16 on the 3rd witha uboot kernel img Apr 12 00:18:10 my "other" n900 has the original OS version from years back ;) Apr 12 00:18:31 nice Apr 12 00:18:58 I bought it cheap from a guy who couldn't be assed to sort it out Apr 12 00:19:07 how much do you think a spare lcd assembly sells for ? Apr 12 00:19:11 he's been given an iPhone ;) Apr 12 00:19:29 I replaced the screen and it was all good Apr 12 00:19:47 the new screen cost more than the used n900 ;) Apr 12 00:20:07 well i got a working display assembly i dont need Apr 12 00:20:13 so im thinking about selling it Apr 12 00:20:47 "display assembly" being what - the complete slider and screen? Apr 12 00:20:52 yes Apr 12 00:21:10 ive had 3 n900s so far Apr 12 00:21:11 wow - shame our timing is not so good - I'd have taken that ;) Apr 12 00:21:27 1 i sent to repair for usb, got a N8 back Apr 12 00:21:33 I have 2 n900 - one in daily use and another to play with Apr 12 00:21:48 next one had a series of unfortunate accidents and ended up with a fried mobo Apr 12 00:21:55 3rd i bought for the mobo Apr 12 00:22:02 peterbjornx: what's that n8 like? Apr 12 00:22:13 nice hardware, shit cpu/os Apr 12 00:22:28 hmmm -- confirms what others have said Apr 12 00:22:39 poor nokia - they really have lost their way now Apr 12 00:22:57 and their latest offering with W7 has some hiccup I hear Apr 12 00:23:21 idk but i use win8, and i gotta say, metro sucks Apr 12 00:24:11 they strap the devs with such tight budgets they can't really get it right Apr 12 00:24:50 I know a guy who worked on maemo for the n900 and he was so apologetic, but it was lack of budget/time that screwed it Apr 12 00:25:17 he works for google now :/ Apr 12 00:25:29 ive read the comments in the scripts Apr 12 00:25:59 there all like : XXX - This sucks but we had no time/money/we good reason Apr 12 00:26:17 yep Apr 12 00:26:59 shame really - maemo had a good chance to become the first true competitor for android Apr 12 00:27:17 but that's life I guess Apr 12 00:27:19 the only thing i hate about maemo is the crude init setup Apr 12 00:27:47 how they turned linux into a single user single session os Apr 12 00:28:02 lots of the apps have wierd behaviour Apr 12 00:28:23 dammit Apr 12 00:28:30 yes - they had to hack it badly to get that user thing going Apr 12 00:28:38 #exec /bin/boot_maesd Apr 12 00:28:53 errors, MALFUNCTION- Starting shell Apr 12 00:29:07 good thing that i modded it to log to fbcon Apr 12 00:29:09 has anyone had any success in reverting maemo to be multi user ? Apr 12 00:29:28 not yet Apr 12 00:29:32 should be possible Apr 12 00:29:39 its just lots of work Apr 12 00:29:44 and very confusing Apr 12 00:29:53 it'd take a lot of work Apr 12 00:30:06 for dubious reward... Apr 12 00:30:12 apart from the satisfaction Apr 12 00:30:26 and turning maemo into a proper distro Apr 12 00:30:31