**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Apr 12 02:59:58 2012 Apr 12 03:00:33 I don't recall a newer one Apr 12 06:44:59 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmhvdtX72eQ&feature=player_embedded - why texting in public is a bad idea Apr 12 07:24:14 hey folks. Apr 12 08:36:28 Pali: hi, are you awake? Apr 12 08:36:45 Timmy, hi! Apr 12 08:37:02 Pali: morning buddy Apr 12 08:37:41 here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81613 in section of How to create bootmenu entry for U-Boot: you said create an item under /etc/bootmenu.d/ Apr 12 08:38:10 but there is no bootmenu.d directory in my phone Apr 12 08:38:23 should i create it? Apr 12 08:40:30 Timmy, yes Apr 12 08:40:38 if not exist, create it Apr 12 08:43:11 Pali: ok thanks, and about maemo kernel dualboot, i have not installed kernel power yet, how can i install this dualboot? should i install kernel power first? or just extract the zImage of kernel power under /boot ? Apr 12 08:43:46 install package kernel-power-bootimg Apr 12 08:44:11 in HAM is under name linux kernel for power user (boot image) Apr 12 08:44:26 but it will flash the kernel power and it will replace the uboot Apr 12 08:44:38 boot image install only zImage to /boot and modules into /lib/modules Apr 12 08:44:48 boot image not flashing kernel Apr 12 08:46:18 ok , thank you :) Apr 12 09:38:20 trumee: I have a wifi model, the 3G model can probably tether yes Apr 12 09:38:21 IOS tethers over infrastructure rather than wifi Apr 12 09:38:22 You can tether to a ps3 Apr 12 09:54:33 Are some dudes around who tried to install a Window-Manager on their N900? Just because it's possible. :) Apr 12 10:32:32 Pali: me again :D Apr 12 10:32:46 it worked for me, Apr 12 10:33:03 now, how can i create a menu entry for nitdroid? Apr 12 10:45:40 http://fatpita.net/?i=5206 - the future Apr 12 12:59:59 Hi! I'm trying to install sflphone-client-gnome, but it depends on sflphone-common (= 0.9.7~ppa1~jaunty-maemo8) and the one in the respository is 0.9.7~ppa1~jaunty-maemo3, I got "deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ fremantle free" in my hildon-application-manager.list (tried fremantle-1.3 but apt-get update gives me a strange message when using that) any advise how to solve this? Apr 12 13:07:42 I've always wondered, why isn't the "Add exception" window (about certificates) done to use Maemo's window manager properly? Apr 12 13:14:38 I'd love to have mosh on my n900. :( Apr 12 13:15:12 why the sad face, seems totally feasible? Apr 12 13:15:15 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=83570 oh! Apr 12 13:22:15 Gnah, how can I type a ">" on my N900. :D Apr 12 13:23:09 lol Apr 12 13:23:27 Fn, then Ctrl (Sym) Apr 12 13:23:52 or you can remap your keyboard Apr 12 13:24:42 Sicelo: haha, thanks. Apr 12 14:14:10 domedan: I wonder why you wanna install sflphone Apr 12 14:22:00 do any idea on where maemo.org will move to? Apr 12 14:22:59 damn.. wouldn't mind unlocking olajuwon Apr 12 14:23:09 damn guy was by far the best center that ever played Apr 12 14:30:01 ok maybe not the best but still Apr 12 14:43:51 maemo.org has funding for 2012 atleast, decision on 2013 in summer Apr 12 14:45:43 honestly, you're making a bit too much fuss about all that maemo.org admin stuff Apr 12 14:46:33 ya Apr 12 14:46:40 ok, Nokia silently let die e.g. suppl.nokia.com Apr 12 14:47:20 is it totally dead or just incompatible Apr 12 14:47:27 but I still guess they will boggle from discontinuing maemo.org all together Apr 12 14:47:47 because at one point a year or so ago it did become incompatible with Diablo while still working in fremantle Apr 12 14:47:48 ShadowJK: supl? seems it bitrot Apr 12 14:48:53 lack of administration, I guess. Probably the syslog is clogged Apr 12 14:49:18 * ShadowJK should check if it still works on his S60v3 devices Apr 12 14:49:26 or the box got rooted, or whatever Apr 12 14:49:33 iirc on Diablo the issue was something with ssl certs Apr 12 14:49:43 quite possible Apr 12 14:50:26 though last thing I heard was it's failing for *some* of the geoIP'd machines only Apr 12 14:50:48 and suggestion been to use IP instead of URL Apr 12 14:51:02 ya Apr 12 14:51:06 this may have changed without me noticing though Apr 12 14:51:28 * ShadowJK wonders if it works on N9 Apr 12 14:51:45 last time I tested, it seemed to work Apr 12 14:52:04 obviously I haven't checked which supl IP it used Apr 12 14:52:45 Is there a way to upload closed source to the repo? The latest version of CacheMe contains a "secret key" to access the geocaching.com Live API and thus cannot be open source anymore Apr 12 14:52:55 Also it's using qt mobility 1.2 and imho this isn't supported by the nokia store, is it? Apr 12 14:53:33 harbaum: I honestly hope there isn't Apr 12 14:53:35 isn't opera in extras.. Apr 12 14:53:58 you can upload stuff to non-free Apr 12 14:54:12 no friggin closed stuff in free though Apr 12 14:54:34 yeah opera is in non-free Apr 12 14:55:18 the idea to upload binary to obfuscate a sekrit-key is ridiculous Apr 12 14:56:26 while "store" is a completely different topic now Apr 12 14:56:43 afaik Apr 12 14:57:20 aaah, you thought you may upload blobs to store instead. Nah, there's non-free in extra repo Apr 12 14:57:40 build one with blank key. Binary patcher in non-free ;p Apr 12 14:57:46 DocScrutinizer: because it supports IAX2 Apr 12 14:58:06 valid point Apr 12 14:58:13 thanks for explaining Apr 12 14:58:39 my plesure ;) got any advice on my problem? Apr 12 14:59:10 I guess there might be different versions in extras and *-devel Apr 12 14:59:33 otherwise, you *might* try to advice apt to ignore version conflicts Apr 12 15:00:24 stl like --ignore-depends or --force-yes or whatever (sorry, waiting for coffee to kick in) Apr 12 15:01:23 domedan: probably maemo package interface is a good starting point for you Apr 12 15:01:42 http://maemo.org/packages/ Apr 12 15:02:41 also an apt-cache policy may help Apr 12 15:03:29 DocScrutinizer: Why is it so stupid to protect a secret key that way? It leaves the app only via ssl and isn't store as a string. Apr 12 15:03:59 Other question: Now that the old cacheme version is severely broken, is there a way to remove it rom the repo? Apr 12 15:04:07 one welknown notorious concept: security by obscurity Apr 12 15:04:14 never worked for FOSS Apr 12 15:05:25 But that's how it is. Groundspeak doesn't allow me to publish the keys as such which releasing the source would mean. Apr 12 15:05:52 get an GUI to config the key, offer a website where user mus register to get the key Apr 12 15:06:31 So every user can get access to the key and do malicious things with it? Apr 12 15:06:35 I mean, where from *you* got the key then? Apr 12 15:06:47 I got it by email Apr 12 15:06:57 so why can't I? Apr 12 15:07:27 and insert it to your app that's still shipping FOSS with src, and a GUI to insert that key Apr 12 15:07:48 Because you are not the developer of my app. Apr 12 15:07:51 and without that key - obviously Apr 12 15:08:00 meh Apr 12 15:08:17 The key identifies tha application (not the user) and is in turn used to initiuate an oauth process which will _then_ give a user token Apr 12 15:08:32 harbaum: do whatever you like, don't hope for any help from FOSS community, particularly me Apr 12 15:09:02 Wow ... this is pretty hostile ... Apr 12 15:09:05 DocScrutinizer: Thank you for the feedback, I can find the package-site I want http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/sflphone-common/0.9.7~ppa1~jaunty-maemo8/ but the .deb-file link is broken, and if I try to find an older sflphone-client-gnome I only get 404 on the .deb-packages Apr 12 15:09:51 domedan: dang Apr 12 15:09:53 DocScrutinizer: infobot joined! Apr 12 15:10:02 I'll have a look into it in a minute Apr 12 15:10:13 ~botsnack Apr 12 15:10:14 :), DocScrutinizer Apr 12 15:11:26 DocScrutinizer: great! Apr 12 15:15:06 harbaum: encapsulate your sekrit-thingie in a minimal lib that you invoke from your open source 99.9% of app, and ship that minimal blob lib with your app, and with src in hex Apr 12 15:15:25 shouldn't be more than keysize + 1k Apr 12 15:16:41 DocScrutinizer: That way anyone can take the lib and ask it for the key. That littlle lib would have to contain the entire authentication. But in the end it also wouldn't be open source Apr 12 15:17:12 The general idea is funny: Convert a whole binary into a hey string which in turn is partof a source that you put under GPL ... Apr 12 15:17:26 friggin shit, do you really thing I wouldn't disassemble your whole silly closed blob app programtext in just the same time? Apr 12 15:17:33 and as well get that key? Apr 12 15:18:00 think* Apr 12 15:19:32 Sure you can get the key by disassembly. Apr 12 15:20:17 i was just asking about maemo.org just because you never know when nokia might finally just go under and liquidate Apr 12 15:20:20 :) Apr 12 15:21:50 right now it's down another 4% Apr 12 15:21:58 just saying Apr 12 15:23:05 I haven't really come up with a clever solution. I was thinking about placing the key on a server, but to access that you'd again need a secret which you'd have to store somewhere Apr 12 15:23:32 How do other people implement oauth clients? Apr 12 16:03:30 Gosh, 2hours playing around with was too much for my N900, it won't boot anymore. :( Apr 12 16:23:59 Macer; they have enough cash for now to buy themselves Apr 12 16:24:05 or thereabouts Apr 12 17:30:59 moinmoin javispedro Apr 12 17:31:04 moo Apr 12 17:31:57 scan chanlog of cssu of today, I guess you'll like what we found out and done regarding friggin msdos mtools et al Apr 12 17:34:49 me, what is the problem? Apr 12 17:36:10 less /etc/mtools.conf is one problem, dosfslabel --version another Apr 12 17:37:43 we decided to deprecate mtools, and get a new hopefully bugfree version of dosfslabel Apr 12 17:38:20 does anyone know how to repair a broken n900, simply flashing it again? Apr 12 17:38:27 go CSSU, go! Apr 12 17:38:41 qchn: err??? Apr 12 17:38:52 DocScrutinizer: mh? Apr 12 17:39:03 it won't boot. Apr 12 17:39:15 qchn: don't you think it's next to impossible to answer a question as fuzzy as yours? Apr 12 17:39:17 All I can do is watch the boot-animation. Apr 12 17:39:57 well, that's a lot ore of helpful info - just reflash as a first measure Apr 12 17:40:07 DocScrutinizer: kay, sorry. Apr 12 17:40:24 I hope the tools are supporting apple-crap-os. Apr 12 17:40:55 qchn: afaik they don't Apr 12 17:41:16 at least not as up-to-date as linux tools Apr 12 17:41:26 no idea, honestly Apr 12 17:41:51 can't recall somebody mentioning he'd use a mac to flash his N900 Apr 12 17:42:46 because if someone buys a mac they also buy an iphone, not an N900, so that scenario has never turned up. Apr 12 17:43:10 some 2 years ago, we had quite a number of -mbp in here, iirc. Also they didn't mention something I could remember now Apr 12 17:44:26 qchn: anyway, look at that site - read it *completely* and carefully: Apr 12 17:44:30 ~flashing Apr 12 17:44:31 it has been said that maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Apr 12 17:45:14 what's not mentioned there is not supported I'd say Apr 12 17:45:28 DocScrutinizer: no idea what the problem with mtools is! Apr 12 17:45:47 javispedro: it's fsckdup by concept Apr 12 17:46:02 works very well here :P Apr 12 17:46:31 javispedro: do less /etc/mtools.conf and you'll understand it can't work "well" Apr 12 17:46:33 I see on the logs that you discovered that there are drive letter mappings on that file Apr 12 17:46:52 but "-i " Apr 12 17:47:01 and _I_ do use letter mappings Apr 12 17:47:28 you can do stuff like mcopy c:*.* a: as shortcuts then Apr 12 17:47:32 javispedro: there's o mapping for mmcblkNp2 Apr 12 17:47:39 you do not need to add a mapping Apr 12 17:47:47 m* -i /dev/whatever Apr 12 17:47:59 and if you want to refer to the file in -i, just use "::" as drive Apr 12 17:48:08 e.g. mcopy -i file.img ::*.* c: Apr 12 17:48:36 we don't need friggin mcopy, we're about to change partition labels Apr 12 17:48:40 but actually, it would be good if you were to provide a mapping =) Apr 12 17:49:03 and mlabel -i does not work? Apr 12 17:49:14 not even looked into it Apr 12 17:49:33 mlabel -i /dev/mmcblkWHATEVER :: Apr 12 17:49:43 the idea of a mapping file and drive letters induced immediate -EWTF Apr 12 17:50:12 it's kinda convenience function Apr 12 17:50:43 then wtf does mmc-rename.sh scan that file to find out about drive letter? Apr 12 17:50:56 hmm? no idea about maemo specifics Apr 12 17:51:01 lemme check if it still does that in harm Apr 12 17:52:00 can't find mmc-rename =) Apr 12 17:52:16 meanwhile: [2012-04-12 19:39:44] dosfstools_3.0.12-0cssu0 pushed on gitorious and uploaded in -devel repo :P Apr 12 17:52:55 well, do as you wish Apr 12 17:53:13 IMHO, mtools is better, but that's my $0.02 Apr 12 17:53:25 IroN900:~# which mmc-rename.sh Apr 12 17:53:27 (aka nothing to worry about) Apr 12 17:53:27 /usr/sbin/mmc-rename.sh Apr 12 17:54:30 DocScrutinizer, nah, not in harm seemingly Apr 12 17:54:40 # convert device name to an MS-DOS-style drive letter Apr 12 17:54:41 L=`eval grep '\"$DEV\"' /etc/mtools.conf | awk '{print $2}' | sed 's/://'` Apr 12 17:54:43 if [ "x$L" = x ]; then Apr 12 17:54:44 echo "$0: could not determine drive letter" Apr 12 17:54:59 who cares about HARM? over in CSSU? Apr 12 17:55:15 or even here Apr 12 17:55:26 not that I have a N900 around atm. Apr 12 17:56:23 DocScrutinizer, can only thing two reasons they'd do that: either the version of mtools they ship does not support -i, or _some_ version of mtools in a previous NIT did not and this file stuck that way since then Apr 12 17:57:21 since we didn't feel like investigating (maybe not a good attitude), we for now preferred dosfslabel Apr 12 17:58:04 since this is straight forward fix to stock maemo version of same prog anyway Apr 12 17:58:11 not arguing Apr 12 17:58:11 javispedro, moo Apr 12 17:58:14 heya doc Apr 12 17:58:19 hey RST38h Apr 12 17:58:26 I don't think I've _ever_ used mmc-rename, so not that I care =) Apr 12 17:58:29 moo RST38h Apr 12 17:59:12 javispedro: same here - I'd never ever trust HFM to mess with my partitions, and afaik for good reason, seems it never really worked that reliably anyway Apr 12 17:59:41 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/04/12/nokia_plan_b/ Apr 12 17:59:55 make that HFM, hal, ke-recv et al Apr 12 18:00:17 OOOOOH a PLAN-B again Apr 12 18:00:25 long time no see! ;-P Apr 12 18:02:31 DocScrutinizer, more like they need it Apr 12 18:04:25 more like "Nokia is doomed anyway" Apr 12 18:05:26 unless some brilliant head understands to unleash the cryo-hibernated potential of maemo Apr 12 18:06:06 new maemo phone with qwerty and blazing fast speeds Apr 12 18:06:07 i'm sold Apr 12 18:06:14 * bindi prepares to sell his flagship android phone Apr 12 18:06:45 I'd actually be happy with a gnu+linux based featurephone Apr 12 18:06:58 preferably with a 7day standby time Apr 12 18:08:33 ruskie: strip down maemo fremantle to what you get with a featurephone, and I guearnatee you get 7 days standby Apr 12 18:08:40 guarantee* Apr 12 18:08:57 considering I already get 4days with the n900 ;) Apr 12 18:09:14 and I just got it a fresh battery last week Apr 12 18:10:31 just kicking out mail, all widgets like weather etc, skype and other nonsense, and you probably are there already Apr 12 18:11:38 add a real non-fsckdup auto-disconnect, to avoid GPRS inbound taffic hogging modem TX, and done you are Apr 12 18:11:52 most of that I already have Apr 12 18:12:17 don't have weather Apr 12 18:12:30 don't have skype(removed) Apr 12 18:12:37 don't have mail auto checking Apr 12 18:12:48 auto-disconnect but I usually manually disconnect anyway Apr 12 18:12:55 * DocScrutinizer still needs to kick modest Apr 12 18:13:09 still do switch 2/3/3.5g Apr 12 18:13:52 but as said... I get 4 days more or less easily out of it(according to battery eye) Apr 12 18:14:06 ouch Apr 12 18:14:24 though in the last 6 months it was dropping to 2 days max Apr 12 18:14:27 hence the new battery Apr 12 18:14:30 apt-get remove --purge battery-eye and you'll get 7 ;-P Apr 12 18:14:42 heh that bad? Apr 12 18:15:51 I already have most apps set to never pre-launch Apr 12 18:16:16 hey, battery-eye needs to do quite some stuff on a scheduled basis Apr 12 18:16:43 on a pretty idle system like yours it will create 50 to 80 % of cpu load Apr 12 18:16:46 so does cronjob Apr 12 18:16:58 though considering it sleeps between jobs not an issue Apr 12 18:16:59 not alarmed Apr 12 18:17:04 fcrontab Apr 12 18:17:34 fcron eve Apr 12 18:17:35 n Apr 12 18:17:41 We poor N800 users are always neglected. Never anything going on in the N800, always N900 Apr 12 18:17:53 aiui libalarmd which alarmed is using just uses hw-clock alarm for timer Apr 12 18:18:56 fcron afaik is not using libalarmd, thus is hogging CPU with frequent wakeups Apr 12 18:19:07 nope Apr 12 18:19:10 it's sleeping Apr 12 18:19:12 possibly every second Apr 12 18:19:15 it's smart about that Apr 12 18:19:26 it actually sleeps until it has a job Apr 12 18:19:37 mhm, good then Apr 12 18:19:50 which is why I like it Apr 12 18:20:01 well, alarmed does same Apr 12 18:20:31 is there an alarmedcron? Apr 12 18:20:54 alarmed is an app Apr 12 18:21:06 yeah am aware of that Apr 12 18:21:12 with proper cron-alike cmdline syntax Apr 12 18:21:23 courtesy DocScrutinizer Apr 12 18:21:25 would just find it more interesting if it was cron-like to use Apr 12 18:22:11 like in crontab? Apr 12 18:22:14 yup Apr 12 18:22:15 ampharos: ? Apr 12 18:22:28 hmm already have 2g only unless data connection setup Apr 12 18:22:59 I suggested to augment it to monitor the files of cron(tab) and also store jobs there Apr 12 18:23:04 Anything (esp. modern) about NITs online and/or Maemo is basically N900 only Apr 12 18:24:08 but since we have no proper crontab either, at least in stock maemo, why would I (as user) want it and prefer it over a nice GUI like alarmed has Apr 12 18:24:21 to each their own Apr 12 18:24:42 which is why I like maemo so much Apr 12 18:24:48 sure Apr 12 18:26:12 anyway you can set up an alias for alarmed to get a cmdline editor version of crontab Apr 12 18:26:38 it's just lacking the vi frontend Apr 12 18:27:04 you could emulate that via crontab+diff I guess Apr 12 18:28:03 ehh I'll survive with fcron Apr 12 18:28:14 but did get rid of battery-eye to see if it will change anything Apr 12 18:29:33 fcron eats more battery than alarmed? :o Apr 12 18:29:47 who said that? Apr 12 18:30:40 understood that from DocScrutinizer's talk Apr 12 18:30:45 < DocScrutinizer> fcron afaik is not using libalarmd, thus is hogging CPU with frequent wakeups Apr 12 18:30:56 or did I understood wrong? Apr 12 18:31:02 read further Apr 12 18:31:06 don't take stuff out of context ;) Apr 12 18:31:11 fcron sleeps between jobs Apr 12 18:31:18 it knows how long it needs to sleep Apr 12 18:31:23 and only wakes up when it has something to do Apr 12 18:31:47 ok Apr 12 18:32:00 and since maemo is a smart OS, the sleep that'S used for that is mapped to libalarmd Apr 12 18:32:31 even if fcron doesn't directly use libalarmd Apr 12 18:32:33 aiui Apr 12 18:33:48 or rather, timers in maemo are special, and not quite like on any arbitrary desktop linux Apr 12 18:42:23 anyway Apr 12 18:42:58 ruskie: you could check elapsed CPU time for a fcrond(aemon) that's supposed to idle Apr 12 18:43:51 you could also run powertop for an extended observation period (I gather it can do way longer check periods than the default 30(?) seconds) Apr 12 18:45:12 IroN900:~# powertop --help all ->> -t %d Sample interval Apr 12 18:45:42 I'll check the time once I get something for it on the system Apr 12 18:46:14 top and ps on the n900 by default seem to not have anything interesting Apr 12 18:48:44 anyway there's one elementary difference between fcron and alarmed afaik: I guess fcron has a daemon at all, alarmed doesn't need that as it uses generic (lib)alarmd functions, which load any additional executable into RAM and execute it on demand only Apr 12 18:49:42 so alarmed doesn't even show up in a 'usual' ps or top or powertop Apr 12 18:51:07 I'd say that makes it probably hard to beat it regarding powerconsumption and resources needed at large, during 'idle' Apr 12 18:51:54 while for fcron all that maybe is no concern as well, but for sure needs check to get some reliable figures Apr 12 19:06:58 Hi, if i run gcc or g++ on file with only main func i get these, /var/tmp/ccGIy4WU.s: Assembler messages:n/var/tmp/ccGIy4WU.s:46: rdhi, rdlo and rm must all be different, a.out is working though Apr 12 19:42:22 hello Apr 12 19:44:45 so, anyone here? Apr 12 19:45:55 peter NOBODY Apr 12 19:46:41 that theres people in the room doesnt mean anyone is active Apr 12 19:48:54 so what binary/script handles cgroup in maemo Apr 12 20:16:34 errr Apr 12 20:16:54 peterbjornx: a bit more context might help Apr 12 20:18:08 TADAAA 304 users :-) Apr 12 20:18:20 305 :-D Apr 12 20:19:22 well im trying to run maemo with the meego kernel Apr 12 20:19:54 and its freezing with errors on cgrp Apr 12 20:20:07 trumee: Pong Apr 12 20:20:28 MohammadAG: can ipad wifi model tether to an N900? Apr 12 20:20:39 To? Apr 12 20:20:46 peterbjornx: this won't work Apr 12 20:20:53 why not? Apr 12 20:20:53 And where would it get the original connection? Apr 12 20:21:01 MohammadAG: ipad <>N900<>3g Apr 12 20:21:02 maemo kernel is... special Apr 12 20:21:05 i've got it to Xorg Apr 12 20:21:12 N900 to iPad? Apr 12 20:21:25 The iPad supports ad hoc Apr 12 20:21:36 MohammadAG: i have 3g connection on N900, and want ipad to use N900 internet Apr 12 20:21:50 JoikuSpot or MobileHotspot Apr 12 20:22:03 MohammadAG: cool Apr 12 20:22:06 There's nothing special about the iPad wifi Apr 12 20:22:42 MohammadAG: how about tethering over usb or bluetooth, is that possible? Apr 12 20:22:56 iPad and USB??? Apr 12 20:22:57 Yes Apr 12 20:22:58 well Apr 12 20:23:10 does the ipad support any kind of usb networking Apr 12 20:23:22 Umm wait Apr 12 20:23:37 I didn't know it had any receptacles at all ;-P Apr 12 20:23:50 I meant you can tether the ipad's 3G connection over wifi bt and USB Apr 12 20:24:31 MohammadAG: right. The ipad i have is wifi only model and still packaged so i dont know what ports it has :) Apr 12 20:24:35 it should be possible to hack something together Apr 12 20:24:39 seriously, does iPad support USB host? Apr 12 20:24:44 tethering usually works via usb net Apr 12 20:24:55 There's some accessory for it DocScrutinizer Apr 12 20:25:01 Costs a fortune Apr 12 20:25:01 aaah Apr 12 20:25:05 I bet Apr 12 20:25:06 so it should be bidirectional if you can trick the ipad to use the n900 as gateway Apr 12 20:25:08 It's for cards afaik Apr 12 20:25:52 or you use h-e-n and iPad as USB gadget ;-P Apr 12 20:26:09 The ipad's connectors have a bit of proprietary in them Apr 12 20:26:22 Like the 3.5mm jack have a guitar amp Apr 12 20:26:48 they got WHAT? Apr 12 20:27:03 3.5AV has a guitar amp? Apr 12 20:27:04 Accessory* Apr 12 20:27:09 Has* Apr 12 20:27:39 so whats so special about the maemo kernel Apr 12 20:27:50 MohammadAG: please rephrase :-) Apr 12 20:28:06 peterbjornx: some ABIs/APIs Apr 12 20:28:13 The 3.5AV can take a guitar as input Apr 12 20:28:13 some sysfs Apr 12 20:28:25 i've run into some of those already Apr 12 20:28:27 With some fortune costing accessory Apr 12 20:28:29 MohammadAG: the iPad's? Apr 12 20:28:32 the whole getbootstate shit Apr 12 20:28:35 Yes afaik Apr 12 20:28:38 wow Apr 12 20:28:38 For GarageBand Apr 12 20:28:51 i made a workaround for that Apr 12 20:29:17 The iPad's connector at the bottom can be a host for many accessories too Apr 12 20:29:34 Though again, they cost a lot Apr 12 20:29:41 peterbjornx: I'm not aware of all the incompatibilities, it boils down to meego kernel's version being "too new" Apr 12 20:30:00 i fixed the GPU usermode shit Apr 12 20:30:31 so the incompatibilities basically are all that's changed from 2.38? to whatever 3.0? meego is using Apr 12 20:31:10 err 2.6.28 Apr 12 20:31:12 im using the 2.6.37 is what im using Apr 12 20:31:34 Hmm iptables seem not to like pk50? Apr 12 20:31:43 :-( Apr 12 20:31:49 ping pali Apr 12 20:34:58 peterbjornx: did you use pali's /proc/bootreason patch? Apr 12 20:39:30 no i just modified preinit Apr 12 20:39:38 STATE=BOOT Apr 12 20:40:06 and the dsme event.d script Apr 12 20:41:26 hmm Apr 12 20:42:01 did you recompile the kernel to support write on ubifs? Apr 12 20:42:42 sorry my bad, iptables seem to work fine... I was doing it from the wrong terminal(chroot) Apr 12 20:44:21 no, i got rootfs on sdcard Apr 12 20:44:34 ah ok. Apr 12 20:44:36 i kinda broke my rootfs and i have no usb port Apr 12 20:44:44 luckily i had uboot Apr 12 20:53:42 found the problem, its stuck in rcS-late Apr 12 21:25:45 bh Apr 12 21:25:48 oops Apr 12 21:26:01 jeez i just got a kernel oops on my dev machine Apr 12 21:26:08 never had that before Apr 12 22:07:48 i think i did it Apr 12 22:23:28 does anybody here have a maemo compatible kernel with fbcon and watchdog built-in? Apr 12 22:34:15 peterbjornx: Think I have one on MohammadAG.xceleo.org/public Apr 12 22:35:08 doesn't PK meet all those criteria? Apr 12 22:35:32 at least fbcon, iirc, is not built-in Apr 12 22:35:37 Not fbcon Apr 12 22:35:42 http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/public/maemo/kernels/framebuffer/zImage-fb-omap1-pr13 Apr 12 22:35:56 It's omap1 so existing modules should work Apr 12 22:36:36 err wut? Apr 12 22:36:40 ~fbcon Apr 12 22:36:41 well, fbcon is a graphics driver built into the kernel that accesses the video cards memory directly in a linear io, framebuffered X is just a way of using that kernel's framebuffer for graphics instead of the application itself having to know how the card works.. executive summary: it's hardware abstraction of the video, or slow, slow, slow... Apr 12 22:37:01 so, no bootmsgs on pk? Apr 12 22:37:12 only if you edit /sbin/preinit Apr 12 22:37:28 and add modprobe fbcon somewhere. Apr 12 22:37:35