**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Apr 14 02:59:58 2012 Apr 14 05:05:44 i am repairing an n9 where do i download a standard factory image to reset it Apr 14 05:16:07 can something be done about that whatsapp thread on TMO Apr 14 05:16:16 like, locking it or hell, even deleting it Apr 14 08:02:34 hmm Apr 14 08:02:48 after I flashed my n810 with nokia image Apr 14 08:03:18 what howto can I follow to get ethernet via usb working asap? (sd card swapping is not so nice) Apr 14 09:10:29 ok usb networking is up Apr 14 09:10:39 now how to convince n810 to use it? Apr 14 09:10:51 connection manager does not see dummy IAP Apr 14 09:14:12 not that I own N810, but you might be missing a package that you'll need to install.. something to do with icd? and specifically either null or dummy? Apr 14 09:36:56 well, I did `gconftool -s -t string /system/osso/connectivity/IAP/DUMMY/type DUMMY ` Apr 14 09:37:03 but no dummy accesspoint Apr 14 09:37:16 on the terminal command prompt networking works well Apr 14 09:37:33 but I guess I need some .install files for the nice repositories Apr 14 09:37:44 then I could get ssh Apr 14 09:37:49 and stuff would be easier... Apr 14 09:39:12 with N900 I　had to install iap/icd null/dummy before I ran that similar sort of string. I'm guessing you'd need to do that as well before iap/icd can take advantage of that Apr 14 09:40:43 In my case with N900 ssh was available through the usual maemo.org extras repository. I'm not too familiar with diablo's case but I'm sure you can find an equivalent in one of the maemo.org's diablo part of repositories. In fact google can also be quite helpful here so long as you know exactly what sort of strings to pass through to search Apr 14 09:42:02 http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/openssh/ <-- here you go, for diablo but also available for other products Apr 14 09:42:33 well, for all I recall I installed ssh via application manager straight on N810 Apr 14 09:42:54 with not many special repos set Apr 14 09:43:13 yes, but the connection manager is in the way Apr 14 09:43:25 and apt-get install doesn't know about openssh Apr 14 09:43:45 aaah I see. Yeah WLAN made my life a bit more easy for N810 Apr 14 09:43:51 its not called openssh, its most likely called openssh-{server,client} Apr 14 09:44:03 ok.. we'll try those... Apr 14 09:44:13 apt-get search openssh Apr 14 09:44:59 not all packages would be named exactly as you'd expect them to be, for every other case that this isn't the case, there's always `apt-cache search' command for debian related linuxes Apr 14 09:45:13 regrading networks etc, I think I got me network-conectivity-manager app iirc Apr 14 09:45:23 nice app Apr 14 09:46:15 psycho_oreos, invalid operation search Apr 14 09:46:31 and apt-cache search did not find openssh Apr 14 09:46:43 repo's on the n810 are nokia-only repo's Apr 14 09:46:51 (flashed it yesterday) Apr 14 09:54:08 udovdh: apt-cache search kajdhdajhdajk Apr 14 09:54:13 not apt-get Apr 14 09:54:24 I tried apt-cache Apr 14 09:54:28 aah yes Apr 14 09:54:37 so it is a repo issue I guess Apr 14 09:54:49 try apt-cache search ssh Apr 14 09:55:02 try apt-cache search '.*ssh.*' Apr 14 09:55:33 wait a monment, I have to find out my n810 IP Apr 14 09:55:39 to log in ;-) Apr 14 09:56:06 192.168.2.15 Apr 14 09:59:28 meh Apr 14 09:59:48 jr@halley:~> ssh -o StrictHostKeyChecking=no -o UserKnownHostsFile=/dev/null -l root 192.168.1.43 Apr 14 09:59:50 Warning: Permanently added '192.168.1.43' (RSA) to the list of known hosts. Apr 14 09:59:51 root@192.168.1.43's password: Apr 14 09:59:57 WLAN Apr 14 10:00:46 Nokia-N810-23-14:~# apt-cache policy openssh Apr 14 10:00:47 openssh: Apr 14 10:00:49 Installed: 1:4.7p1-12.maemo2 Apr 14 10:00:50 Candidate: 1:4.7p1-12.maemo2 Apr 14 10:00:52 Version table: Apr 14 10:00:53 *** 1:4.7p1-12.maemo2 0 Apr 14 10:00:55 500 http://repository.maemo.org diablo/free Packages Apr 14 10:02:32 yes, what I thought Apr 14 10:02:35 not a nokia repo Apr 14 10:02:48 of course not. maemo repo Apr 14 10:02:54 can I install a .install file from the command line? Apr 14 10:02:57 aka extras Apr 14 10:03:16 err basically yes Apr 14 10:03:42 though it's not exactly qualifying as "install an installfile" Apr 14 10:04:17 just a list of repo's as in rpm stuff I am used to Apr 14 10:04:33 sth along line of ``echo " http://repository.maemo.org diablo/free foo bar" >/etc/apt-somefile-Iforgot'' Apr 14 10:05:02 the dpkg savvy here will know better Apr 14 10:05:17 ooops Apr 14 10:05:23 sth along line of ``echo " http://repository.maemo.org diablo/free foo bar" >>/etc/apt-somefile-Iforgot'' Apr 14 10:05:26 >> !!! Apr 14 10:05:49 ok, working on that Apr 14 10:07:52 ahh crap my bad, I later corrected my own stance but did not specifically hint that Apr 14 10:08:37 etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list: Apr 14 10:08:58 deb http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/certified/ diablo user Apr 14 10:08:59 deb http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/non-certified/ diablo user Apr 14 10:09:01 deb http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/updates/diablo-2/ ./ Apr 14 10:09:02 deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ diablo free non-free Apr 14 10:09:17 NB this most likely is NOT up-to-date Apr 14 10:11:44 also note please that all this won't help you much without any (probably WLAN) connectivity Apr 14 10:12:14 udovdh: ^^^ Apr 14 10:13:39 so your line is: echo "deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ diablo free non-free" >>/etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list Apr 14 10:14:47 thanks! Apr 14 10:14:50 YW Apr 14 10:14:57 must start to work now Apr 14 10:15:00 thanks! again Apr 14 10:17:34 hm. rasberry pi started shipping today? Apr 14 10:17:48 i will wait and see how it turns out.. i still have nightmares about the touchbook Apr 14 10:18:16 hehe Apr 14 10:18:45 it looks interesting tho... but a 700MHz broadcom still seems underpowered Apr 14 10:19:04 hmm dependency hell.. Apr 14 10:22:36 wow Apr 14 10:22:40 high def kickboxer Apr 14 10:23:42 wut? Apr 14 10:25:20 * DocScrutinizer idly wonders if udovdh has actually updated to "recent" diablo Apr 14 10:26:25 SSU been invented/introduced with latest diablo iirc Apr 14 10:28:05 DocScrutinizer, how to tell? Apr 14 10:28:27 I flashed RX-44_DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin Apr 14 10:28:37 is that 'recent'? Apr 14 10:29:36 hmm Apr 14 10:29:40 wait a minute Apr 14 10:30:07 (since I friggin dunno how to invoke software-version on diablo cmdline) Apr 14 10:30:14 same here Apr 14 10:30:27 could dmesg help? Apr 14 10:31:38 gotta leave soon to the OHm2013 pre-party Apr 14 10:31:57 about product: 5.2008-43.7 Apr 14 10:32:07 so seems OK Apr 14 10:32:11 43.7 is in my flash filename Apr 14 10:32:32 apt-get gives me conflicts etc. i'll try to resolve them tomorrow Apr 14 10:32:40 thanks so far Apr 14 10:32:43 later! Apr 14 10:32:46 o/ Apr 14 10:34:13 * DocScrutinizer pets N810, blows off the dust Apr 14 10:35:03 * DocScrutinizer pets basically unused spare N810 too Apr 14 10:35:26 haha Apr 14 10:35:30 mine has a layer of dust on it as well Apr 14 10:35:34 i don't know what to do with it Apr 14 10:36:01 well, mine at least reliably yells whenever a SIP call comes in ;-D Apr 14 10:36:40 heh Apr 14 10:36:56 If ever I move to a castle, I'll use the spare one for another SIP device on 2nd floor Apr 14 10:37:37 do they still have castles nowadays? Apr 14 10:37:39 for now there are like 5 ringing devices in 2 adjacent rooms without any door between Apr 14 10:38:25 i'm sure if you were rich enough you can have one built Apr 14 10:38:30 but masonary work is just not what it used to be Apr 14 10:38:31 just enough to keep the spare N810 well off the dust Apr 14 10:39:10 here you can buy a castle every day for ONE € Apr 14 10:39:38 just you need millions to fulfil the mandatory refurbishing and whatnot Apr 14 10:39:48 wow really? Apr 14 10:39:56 nice Apr 14 10:41:51 castle:1€. New roof:300k€. New windows: 500k€. ANY reasonable heating, water, electricity: 1.2M€... like that Apr 14 10:42:35 And then 40K/year for heating. Apr 14 10:42:57 then you're obliged to hire personal to open up the doors for visitors every weekend Apr 14 10:43:07 SpeedEvil: of course, that too Apr 14 10:43:24 you do? Apr 14 10:43:34 you have to open up the doors every weekend for visitors?? Apr 14 10:43:40 depends Apr 14 10:43:41 wth? :) Apr 14 10:43:51 usually yes Apr 14 10:44:04 wow. that's weird Apr 14 10:44:24 depending on how relevant a historical building the whole wreck is Apr 14 10:44:54 Not to mention that what you can do with the building will be _sharply_ limited. Apr 14 10:45:02 indeed Apr 14 10:45:09 You can't generally change the external shell at all. Apr 14 10:45:28 nor the historically relevant interior Apr 14 10:45:45 And it has to be repaired using contemporary materials. Apr 14 10:46:28 well, you may use plastic or aluminium windows, as long as they *look* absolutely original Apr 14 10:46:48 In the UK it can get a bit beyond that. Apr 14 10:47:11 haha Apr 14 10:47:25 like you have to go find the tempered glass making monks out in the woods? Apr 14 10:47:38 and carry it back on horseback section by section :) Apr 14 10:47:39 UK castles are *very* special ;-D Apr 14 10:47:50 you probably even have to feed the ghost Apr 14 10:48:06 lol Apr 14 10:48:21 honestly to a rich person it sounds rather cheap still Apr 14 10:48:25 minus the heating of course Apr 14 10:48:49 but i am sure you can probably section it off and heat it in a different manner than normal Apr 14 10:48:59 it sounds cheap for a castle, it's friggin useless for all the money in the end anyway Apr 14 10:49:33 yeah but i mean the retrofitting and the upkeep still seems cheap compared to paying millions on some fabricated brick mansion Apr 14 10:49:50 plus if it is still around today it will obviosly last rather long ;) Apr 14 10:50:49 the most cheap path is: buy it, fix rotten crap, do *nothing* else with it (not living there, not heating, nuttin) Apr 14 10:51:51 then you're just doing what previously been done (or not) by state/district and been too expensive for them so they decided to sell for 1€ Apr 14 10:52:43 i'd actually restore it tbh Apr 14 10:52:49 if i had money like that ;) Apr 14 10:53:14 how much of the land are you entitled to purchasing it? Apr 14 10:53:19 just the castle? Apr 14 10:53:29 oooh, don't forget to get a 99year deal regarding real estate tax etc Apr 14 10:53:44 you have to pay 99 years of real estate tax? LOL Apr 14 10:53:55 you should make sure you don't Apr 14 10:54:30 as the friggin castle is expensive enough Apr 14 10:55:46 and it's a bit insane to pay real estate tax to the district when you take away a burden from them. They'd earn double money on your kind help Apr 14 10:55:58 the castle is 1 dollar heh Apr 14 10:56:16 plus you don't have to pay real estate tax for 99 years ;) Apr 14 10:56:22 no, for the district it's like a -500k€ less per year Apr 14 10:56:22 at inflated pricing you'd probably save Apr 14 10:57:06 still sounds awesome if you have the money for it :) Apr 14 10:57:10 especially if you restore it Apr 14 10:57:27 and modernize what you can Apr 14 10:57:34 I.E. district saves 500k expense per year, so why should they as well get real estate tax from you for doing them the favour? Apr 14 10:58:11 beause back in the day if you wanted the castle you'd have to spend just as much for your own army Apr 14 10:59:05 but those dukes etc could do whatever they like with their castle. You can't basically do *anything* with it Apr 14 10:59:20 you're lucky if you find a way you can love there Apr 14 10:59:28 live* ;-D Apr 14 10:59:31 haha Apr 14 10:59:36 no sex in the castle! Apr 14 10:59:58 lest ye taint it with thy sperm Apr 14 11:00:23 i'm sure you can find loopholes etc Apr 14 11:00:29 nope Apr 14 11:00:32 and eventually lobby to make changes heh Apr 14 11:00:39 neither Apr 14 11:00:56 they're that serious about something that is basically a pile of rocks and money pit to them? :) Apr 14 11:01:20 so you're pretty much giving them their own museum that you restore and pay massive taxes on ? Apr 14 11:01:33 that's lame Apr 14 11:01:49 if you got bad luck, THEY will find 'loopholes' to request you change the whole roof to another type of stones, or whatever Apr 14 11:03:18 suddenly decide you have to open up for visitors 5 days a week 10h, rather than the weekends 5h you initially agreed upon. etc Apr 14 11:03:32 7 days even Apr 14 11:04:05 no real fun Apr 14 11:04:22 otherwise there wouldn't be any 1€-castles available anymore Apr 14 11:05:18 your last statement sounds like it's exactly to the point Apr 14 11:06:56 http://www.chateauforsale.org/chateaux_in_chalus/propertyref_HH-5063842.php Apr 14 11:07:10 france has them too.. but they sell them for more than 1euro Apr 14 11:07:24 i mean cmon.. it has its own dungeon! Apr 14 11:07:29 :-D Apr 14 11:07:38 you can film some awesome porn there Apr 14 11:08:00 i guess if you are that rich then you would have a great team of lawyers to prevent that during the sale Apr 14 11:08:09 >>This domain that marries authenticity with modern comforts and represents a unique opportunity to acquire a rare property for either private use or for commercial tourism purposes....<< Apr 14 11:08:18 heh Apr 14 11:08:23 it says "private use" ;) Apr 14 11:08:52 i'd hire archers for the guard tower to kill trespassers Apr 14 11:09:33 but it does seem like it would be easier and cheaper just to build your own castle if you can find the masonaries to do it Apr 14 11:09:45 i doubt you can even find enough nowadays to make an entire castle Apr 14 11:10:11 masonary work is a thing of the past because of china :( with their fabricated mass produced brick that lasts 5 years like everything else out of asia Apr 14 11:10:32 >> the castle has been restored and furnished in the spirit of the time with all the modern comforts, all windows have double glazed, all the woodwork, wall lamps, doors, door frames and stained glass are hand made. The castle is equipped with underfloor heating on ground level and radiators on the upper levels<< Apr 14 11:10:55 sounds like the same expense done for you already Apr 14 11:11:13 yeah Apr 14 11:11:15 you'd have to do all that on your own if you buy a 1€-castle Apr 14 11:11:27 which is why it costs 20Meuro Apr 14 11:11:28 heh Apr 14 11:11:33 exactly Apr 14 11:11:45 i'd buy it if i were that rich Apr 14 11:11:51 but the french are snobs when you are not french Apr 14 11:11:53 :) Apr 14 11:12:02 they'd probably kick me out after buying it Apr 14 11:12:10 hehe Apr 14 11:12:10 then say i can only live in it 1 week out the year on a visa Apr 14 11:12:24 quite possibly ;-P Apr 14 11:12:42 and that their town leader will live there the rest of the year Apr 14 11:12:43 lol Apr 14 11:13:01 the french preach a good game of world peace but are total assholes in real life Apr 14 11:34:41 I've had a Maemo chroot running on a Galaxy S2 (any Droid device will work) but I could not get it to be fully functional. Apr 14 11:34:48 Howto? Apr 14 11:37:41 DocScrutinizer: ? Apr 14 11:37:51 ?? Apr 14 11:37:53 NFC Apr 14 11:37:59 1) you're not being specific enough, 2) you do realise there is a huge difference between the two devices, and that you cannot expect everything to work in a chroot environment? Apr 14 11:38:19 psycho_oreos: thanks Apr 14 11:38:48 DocScrutinizer, o.O that was for lolcat :) Apr 14 11:38:51 He said HAM didn't work, but HAM is crap anyways Apr 14 11:39:18 there are alternatives like FAM or you can simply use apt-get for that matter Apr 14 11:39:21 Is it possible to install Maemo UI on top of ebian? Apr 14 11:39:29 debian* Apr 14 11:39:36 no Apr 14 11:40:27 not without pulling out enough hairs before even completing half way.. the design of debian and therefore maemo is heavily integrated that you won't be able to install the UI　separately without loads of painstaking work in fulfilling the dependencies Apr 14 11:40:29 psycho_oreos: sure, and thanks for that Apr 14 11:40:35 Because Ubuntu and Unity will run in a chroot Apr 14 11:40:42 DocScrutinizer, ah Apr 14 11:41:42 lolcat, you're misunderstanding the whole concept.. ubuntu will work is because its open source and I'm guessing someone has already compiled the work on their devices before releasing it. Maemo's UI　is _not_ open source.. not completely anyway Apr 14 11:43:45 and really before thinking you can also get very nice maemo UI working on your galaxy S2, don't forget that you won't have HW acceleration working in a way that you'd expect it to work with a proper maemo device Apr 14 11:43:55 Ubuntu is basicly debian. Maemo is basicly debian. Apr 14 11:44:03 I have a Galaxy Note Apr 14 11:44:13 ubuntu is open source, maemo is _not_ open source Apr 14 11:45:04 getting maemo to work could almost be like getting windows/mac to work on devices that it was not meant to be working on Apr 14 11:45:49 Mac now works on quite a wide variety of hardware Apr 14 11:46:05 Especially since they started using Intel instead of powerpc Apr 14 11:46:17 I ran Windows 95 on my N900 Apr 14 11:46:45 And that isn't even the rigth arcitechture Apr 14 11:46:56 that's really besides the point, and you could argue that apple would love to sue the living hell out of you should you commercialise/promote their OS　on devices which they did not specifically release support on Apr 14 11:47:31 before you ramble about how you can run windows on N900, have you thought about the exact same usecase as when you're now on galaxy devices? Apr 14 11:47:48 Software licenses are invalid in Norway, if I legally purchase the software I can do with it as I please. Apr 14 11:48:04 I just love Maemo Apr 14 11:48:19 * SpeedEvil idly wonders what that means if I purchase software remotely in norway, and have it installed on a machine in norway Apr 14 11:48:25 since when is there mac support on samsung galaxy device? since when did microsoft has support on samsung galaxy device? since when did nokia actually produce anything related to maemo on top of other devices? Apr 14 11:48:51 psycho_oreos: I don't need support for it to run Apr 14 11:49:02 I could install Mac osx on the N900 Apr 14 11:49:15 its not about licensing, I'm sure apple would love the sue the living hell out of you for even trying to sell services that includes installation on devices they do not specifically support Apr 14 11:49:43 lolcat, you won't get support, so what you've stated is rather moot but again you're missing the point Apr 14 11:50:09 lolcat: could you install mac osx on galaxy? Apr 14 11:50:10 I don't want to sell anything Apr 14 11:50:28 DocScrutinizer: No idea, I just got it. Haven't rooted it yet Apr 14 11:51:08 so unless you get mac osx running on galaxy, why the F* are you bitching about maemo not running on galaxy? Apr 14 11:51:10 its not about you selling, the point I'm basically trying to make is that you're not going to be able to get maemo working on your galaxy. If you insist, by all means but don't come crying for support because nobody bothers to do it and its rather pointless Apr 14 11:51:41 Saving Maemo isn't pointless Apr 14 11:52:05 saving a mostly proprietary platform is rather pointless Apr 14 11:52:08 So there is no way to make the maemo gui appear on the Note? Apr 14 11:52:23 unless you're a hacker that doesn't bitch and moan when hell freezes over Apr 14 11:53:51 * lolcat downloads Maemo SDK Apr 14 11:54:53 wtf? Apr 14 11:54:59 the people that chose to port maemo UI　across some other platform used a slightly different base with more or less maemo's skin and they don't come here screaming for support. Instead they accumulate like-minded hackers who just RE stuff to make it work on their specific target rather than seeking for support on some random device Apr 14 11:56:04 a) maemo isn't mostly proprietary. b) you won't get it working on galaxy natively nevertheless, as some coreparts (dialer, some libs) nevertheless *are* c) what do you expect from something running in a *chroot*??? Apr 14 11:56:58 If it is a chroot I could make a dummy dialer and messenger system that just pulls stuff from the host Apr 14 11:57:03 running maemo in any chroot != saving mamemo Apr 14 11:57:20 maemo even Apr 14 11:58:09 I still personally contend to that point a, most of the hardware related functionality, though not all are. Apr 14 12:00:35 How to install diff? apt-get install diff notes selecting busybox instead of diff then says busybox is already the newest version Apr 14 12:01:45 LaoLang_cool, what happens when you type diff? Apr 14 12:02:40 freemangordon: -sh: diff: not found Apr 14 12:03:04 wtf? is that on device or ib sb, or where? Apr 14 12:03:12 s/ib/in/ Apr 14 12:03:12 freemangordon meant: wtf? is that on device or in sb, or where? Apr 14 12:03:35 freemangordon: ? Apr 14 12:03:35 want the temp to go up a little bit so i can go running Apr 14 12:04:05 LaoLang_cool, where do you type it? is that on n900? Apr 14 12:04:15 freemangordon: I type it in xterm Apr 14 12:04:22 on n900 Apr 14 12:05:24 LaoLang_cool, ok, lemme check Apr 14 12:08:44 so I don't need to Apr 14 12:09:32 IroN900:~# which diff Apr 14 12:09:34 /usr/bin/gnu/diff Apr 14 12:09:49 no diff in messybox Apr 14 12:09:54 aparently Apr 14 12:10:13 IroN900:~# busybox diff Apr 14 12:10:15 diff: applet not found Apr 14 12:10:41 yep Apr 14 12:10:49 so according to LaoLang_cool a) messybox pkg is fsckdup Apr 14 12:10:58 b) diff is in gnu Apr 14 12:11:03 http://www.tuug.fi/~toni/serendipity/index.php?/archives/28-Running-Mac-OS-X-on-a-Olympus-E-P2-digital-camera.html <- wish this wanst a aprils fool Apr 14 12:11:25 yay, the N9 can be overclocked Apr 14 12:11:37 I always wanted a polycarbonate deep fryer Apr 14 12:11:40 DocScrutinizer, seems like busybox in Fremantle is compiled without diif :( Apr 14 12:12:01 obviously Apr 14 12:12:14 LaoLang_cool ^^^ Apr 14 12:12:17 which doesn't give me any headache since I hate messybox anyway Apr 14 12:12:33 What should I do? install messybox? Apr 14 12:12:35 ~messybox Apr 14 12:12:36 messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils Apr 14 12:13:02 LOL Apr 14 12:13:08 ok... Apr 14 12:13:11 install gnu *utils (I guess coreutils or binutils) Apr 14 12:13:31 one of them may provide gnu diff Apr 14 12:13:46 some gnu pkd soes, anyway Apr 14 12:13:50 pkg Apr 14 12:13:54 does Apr 14 12:13:55 dang Apr 14 12:13:57 coreutils-gnu Apr 14 12:14:11 MohammadAG: thanks Apr 14 12:14:43 never wrapped my head around how to find which dpkg yields what files/functions Apr 14 12:15:02 ok, I find http://maemo.org/packages/view/busybox-power/ is another choice :) Apr 14 12:15:10 EEEEEK Apr 14 12:16:22 I'm *very* averse to replacing busybox with some allegedly better version, and iirc rightly so, as some regression already been found eventually in messybox-power Apr 14 12:16:46 but that's your admin beer Apr 14 12:17:05 I'd go for gnu tools every day Apr 14 12:17:13 if messybox is the alternative Apr 14 12:17:26 no matter what flavour of this abomination Apr 14 12:17:40 see -messybox above Apr 14 12:18:16 even ~messybox Apr 14 12:18:18 ok.. maybe bash + gnu Apr 14 12:18:29 that's what I did Apr 14 12:18:43 I mean I got 2GB of /usr space Apr 14 12:18:59 my first linux system had some 50MB od HDD Apr 14 12:19:33 and still enough room to have a decent bash and core utils and man pages Apr 14 12:19:52 ~jrtools Apr 14 12:19:53 [jrtools] http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Apr 14 12:20:42 heh Apr 14 12:21:12 my awesome 486sx/25 could handle things great Apr 14 12:21:42 Sometimes I want to smack people that say 1GHz - or whatever - is slow. Apr 14 12:21:55 :nod: Apr 14 12:22:28 I find it amusing that you can now get microcontrollers for $5 or so, that are about an order of magnitude faster than my first computer - 386/20 Apr 14 12:23:06 yeah, insane. be stingy on 2MB for bash, but then preload crap that eats 50MB for nuttin Apr 14 12:23:21 then complain stuff gets sluggish when swap hell starts Apr 14 12:23:28 ergo: overclock Apr 14 12:24:53 and ask for dual-core 1.6GHz SoC for your embedded device Apr 14 12:25:00 so you could preload mmore crap Apr 14 12:25:43 hell, the N900 is about as fast and as much RAM as my laptop as of 4 years ago Apr 14 12:26:21 hahaha Apr 14 12:27:09 and yes, openoffice took >1min to strat up on that toughbook laptop too - so what? Apr 14 12:29:08 heh... openoffice was groundbreaking stuff when it first came out :) Apr 14 12:31:00 it still holds its own today Apr 14 12:31:12 especially after ms office made that disgusting shift to pastel colors and giant buttons Apr 14 12:31:15 ARM is crap compared to x86 Apr 14 12:31:25 wow Apr 14 12:31:28 Like my N-7000 has 1.4 ghz dual core Apr 14 12:31:30 they both were meant to serve different purposes Apr 14 12:31:40 arm was supposed to be low latency low power Apr 14 12:31:55 x86 was supposed to be a total power whore :) Apr 14 12:32:13 dual use: heater Apr 14 12:32:39 Phones should have x86 so you could warm your hands on them Apr 14 12:32:45 so, x86 is total crap compared to ARM Apr 14 12:32:49 heh Apr 14 12:33:44 honesly what a void nonsensical comparison Apr 14 12:34:15 x86 will preform better at the same clock speed Apr 14 12:34:25 WTF clock speed??? Apr 14 12:34:29 heh Apr 14 12:34:44 uhm.. doesn't x86 also have many more power sucking instructions? Apr 14 12:34:44 as if clock speed would mean *anything* Apr 14 12:34:49 ghz is a meassurement of the clock speed? Apr 14 12:34:56 s/?/! Apr 14 12:35:05 so? Apr 14 12:35:41 and if I switch of the divider in the PLL, I can clock the CPU with twice the clockspeed Apr 14 12:35:44 BS Apr 14 12:36:05 clock speed is a totally bogus number Apr 14 12:36:14 talking about x86, you can return back in time and remember athlon versus pentium. Apr 14 12:36:15 I know Apr 14 12:36:23 esp when comparing different architectures Apr 14 12:36:32 I think I have an Athlon laying about Apr 14 12:36:35 And a Duron Apr 14 12:36:52 For desktops I've actually come to prefer AMD Apr 14 12:36:54 those are the same, just some marketing BS Apr 14 12:37:30 I am fairly sure my Atholn is twice as powerfull as my Duron Apr 14 12:37:33 Same socket though Apr 14 12:37:38 Socket A <3 Apr 14 12:37:40 for the idio^W noobs that don't get any more complex numbers than this "clockspeed" Apr 14 12:38:31 Decent benchmark scores are harder to come by Apr 14 12:38:44 And the benchmark will vary from chip to chip Apr 14 12:39:57 But still, the ARM in the N-7000 beats the N900 any day Apr 14 13:25:57 the fuck is Bus error Apr 14 13:31:46 hm? Apr 14 13:32:13 bus error: see ARM basics Apr 14 13:33:00 trying to access some system on bus that's not ready to get accessed Apr 14 13:33:04 I'd guess Apr 14 13:33:39 e.g if you try to read from RAM that's in suspend state Apr 14 13:47:34 merlin1991, ping Apr 14 13:52:58 hmm, probably that would rather cause a prefetch or data abort Apr 14 13:53:28 MohammadAG: so no clue what's your bus error Apr 14 13:54:42 maybe it's how linux represents prefetch-aborts and data-aborts in signal domain (kill -l: SIGBUS) Apr 14 14:20:07 I think you het sigbus on some arms when doing misaligned memory access Apr 14 15:22:25 lolcat: to "save maemo" you probably wanna check out what #mer and #nemomobile do Apr 14 18:03:19 woho, ass saved by usb networking in boot menu Apr 14 18:12:53 t_s_o: best shit ever Apr 14 18:17:01 * RST38h moos Apr 14 18:19:27