**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Apr 15 03:00:00 2012 Apr 15 05:19:41 ada yg dari Indonesia? Apr 15 05:20:18 Not being content with the state of open source graphics drivers for Linux, a developer working for Texas Instruments has reverse-engineered his competitor's (Qualcomm) driver and written an open-source Snapdragon driver. With being tainted by legal documents at Texas Instruments, the developer, who is also involved with Linaro, had no other choice but to work on an open source graphics driver for his competitor in his free time. Apr 15 05:37:36 that's the spirit! Apr 15 05:59:55 Oooh! Apr 15 06:00:00 neat Apr 15 09:41:56 hi guys where i can get the KP49 Apr 15 10:15:48 hi guys where i can get the KP49 Apr 15 10:29:15 why not use KP50? Apr 15 10:32:14 anyway, whatever you wanna use, better wait til tomorrow. maemo.org seems down/borked, as usual on weekends Apr 15 10:33:24 at least http://maemo.org/packages/ takes ages to deliver a completely blank page Apr 15 10:34:12 WOW, on 5th attemt it worked Apr 15 10:35:42 which doesn't mean an actual search there would yield anything better than blankpage Apr 15 10:36:59 Error 500 Apr 15 10:36:59 maemo.org Apr 15 10:37:00 Sun, 15 Apr 2012 13:35:55 +0300 Apr 15 10:37:15 http://maemo.org/packages/view/kernel-power/ Apr 15 10:38:31 DocScrutinizer, because it'snot compatible with cleven Apr 15 10:44:02 hmm Apr 15 10:46:21 DocScrutinizer, with the KP50 i need to go in a hassle and there's no clear tutorial on installing the patch drivers Apr 15 10:46:41 DocScrutinizer, or at least i didn't find a good one Apr 15 10:47:36 well, tutorials should apply to kp50 as they do to kp49 Apr 15 10:48:26 all that aside, for kernel it's indeed rather unfortunate that older versions get nuked in repo Apr 15 10:50:50 DocScrutinizer, I don't recall what was my latest kernel that i used and was working fine with cleven Apr 15 10:51:27 DocScrutinizer, so I was thinking that it might've been the KP49 Apr 15 10:51:58 err, uname doesn't help? Apr 15 10:53:13 DocScrutinizer, not anymore i was on KP50 and now on the original nokia kernel trying to find how to get back on my last config that worked well with cleven Apr 15 10:54:00 hmm, you got any decent backup? (I.E. backupmenu) Apr 15 10:55:09 DocScrutinizer, don't think I have backed up my device in a very long time Apr 15 10:56:17 DocScrutinizer, at least not after I re flashed it when i had the re reboot problem Apr 15 10:56:39 well, I don't follow the KP-thread on tmo. Maybe there you get (a link to) the older kernel-power versions Apr 15 10:57:39 DocScrutinizer, the link you provided me got me to the older kernel packages Apr 15 10:58:21 What's cleven? Apr 15 10:59:00 ShadowJK, an aircrack gui Apr 15 10:59:07 ah Apr 15 10:59:32 So the alternate wifi drivers need to be updated for kp50 then? Apr 15 10:59:57 ohh still no update to reaver 1.4 Apr 15 11:00:11 it didn't work on my n900 :/ Apr 15 11:00:34 seems it has few bugs.. Apr 15 11:00:57 ShadowJK, yes Apr 15 11:01:24 I'd bet you could use the kp49 drivers, when forcing them Apr 15 11:01:44 anyway... Apr 15 11:01:50 Pali: ping ^^^ Apr 15 11:04:42 a-nightfury: you ever checked if cleven works with kp50? Apr 15 11:05:19 wifi injection drivers are for kp50 too Apr 15 11:05:32 see first post in kernel-power v50 TMO thread Apr 15 11:05:59 yep, I thought kp50 had some improvements there even Apr 15 11:06:24 hi Pali Apr 15 11:07:39 DocScrutinizer, Pali after upgrading to kp50 i had issues with cleven with a message of no compatibility ..... Apr 15 11:07:58 did you updated injection drivers? Apr 15 11:08:10 Pali no Apr 15 11:08:16 so update it Apr 15 11:08:30 it is written in first post on TMO kp50 thread Apr 15 11:08:56 Pali, let me check Apr 15 11:12:47 Pali, please post the link Apr 15 11:14:25 ~kp50 Apr 15 11:14:37 meh, what's with her again? Apr 15 11:15:19 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=83118 Apr 15 11:16:38 Pali, Packet injection wifi driver (optional) .......... this part right Apr 15 11:16:53 yes Apr 15 11:20:28 Pali: pretty please edit your URL links in that post. They are all truncated to oblivion Apr 15 11:22:34 Pali, is there a tutorial on how to install the drivers Apr 15 11:22:47 hey yall how do i delay HAM's update checking (or disable it compeletely?). i remember there's a command line entry but cant find it thanks! Apr 15 11:23:38 kent_autistic: ?? Apr 15 11:24:09 you can set the frequency of scheduled automatic update Apr 15 11:24:42 when i connect to the internet, HAM automatically checks for app updates. Apr 15 11:24:58 yeah, how? or can i disable it? Apr 15 11:25:12 Pali: for >>First from 'U-Boot for Nokia RX-51 with BootMenu thread' install...<< you got a nice link. Please do same for the 9 links at top of that post Apr 15 11:25:29 it eats up cpu whenever i connect to the internet Apr 15 11:26:03 hmm, see http://wiki.maemo.org/Customizing_Maemo#Disabling_Auto_Updates_Check Apr 15 11:26:54 salamat! Apr 15 11:27:02 it's not recommended to set the tmespan to >10 years Apr 15 11:27:33 probably once a year would be just fine Apr 15 11:28:03 what salad? Apr 15 11:30:37 Pali, is there a tutorial on how to install the drivers Apr 15 11:30:51 It's Filipino salad Apr 15 11:31:22 a-nightfury, somewhere in thread somebody written it Apr 15 11:32:13 Pali, ok thanks a lot I will get back to you if things didn't work right or done Apr 15 11:34:17 salad? haha its ty in filipino :) Apr 15 11:35:23 Pali, why don't write your own tutorial ????????? Apr 15 11:35:55 because I did not have time for that Apr 15 11:37:42 Pali, I see Hopefully you will one you have time Apr 15 11:42:58 Hey all - I need to use sftp from the command line on my N900 - but the openssh-server install doesn't seem to come with the binary...? Apr 15 11:43:19 what about openssh-client ? Apr 15 11:43:22 yeah Apr 15 11:44:57 Er, that's a good point Apr 15 11:45:07 I'm sure on the Desktop it was included in openssh-server Apr 15 11:45:13 * narcos feels silly Apr 15 11:45:20 * narcos installs openssh-client Apr 15 11:46:52 narcos: feel sillier: Apr 15 11:46:53 mdione@mustang:~/src/projects/satyr/git$ dpkg -L openssh-server | grep bin Apr 15 11:46:54 /usr/sbin Apr 15 11:46:54 /usr/sbin/sshd Apr 15 11:46:56 :) Apr 15 11:47:03 :> Apr 15 11:48:44 * narcos shuffles away quietly Apr 15 11:52:21 im gladly testing dsp profile with SR enabled Apr 15 11:52:26 everything seems smooth so far Apr 15 11:58:22 DocScrutinizer: I am checking out mer and looking into making a kernel Apr 15 11:58:43 They said if I did that they would make drivers Apr 15 11:58:49 Wich sounds like a good deal Apr 15 11:59:27 If they make the drivers I can mix up my own debian based phone OS. The hildon UI can't be that hard to recreate Apr 15 12:00:26 And I guess the mer people will make dialers and such Apr 15 12:16:04 hey, I can make 2 dialers in two minutes, within two posts in this channel ;-D Apr 15 12:17:11 if however they work like you would like and live up to your expectations is highly doubtful Apr 15 12:20:50 esp both need a working libisi to talk to the modem at all, plus probably some other stuff Apr 15 12:22:29 lolcat: I's ask mer guys if their notion of meaning of "drivers" includes such things like libisi etc Apr 15 12:23:16 They are using oFono Apr 15 12:23:22 as a dialer Apr 15 12:23:25 thought as much Apr 15 12:23:34 There is no libisi for linux? Apr 15 12:23:55 no Apr 15 12:24:06 ophono must have something similar Apr 15 12:24:14 … Apr 15 12:24:23 but then ophono is orphaned as well, aiui Apr 15 12:24:49 They said oFono with an F as in ofono.org Apr 15 12:25:03 errr ofono of course Apr 15 12:25:24 Probably pronounced the same though Apr 15 12:25:40 oFono just released 1.5 Apr 15 12:25:55 N900 support is unmaintained since before 1.0 Apr 15 12:26:07 the fools that called fso a crippled AT interface and refused collaboration or merge, while they themselves came up with a crippled AT interface later on Apr 15 12:26:27 AT? Apr 15 12:26:41 I managed to get 1.0 working on N900 fully, though Apr 15 12:26:42 hayes AT commadset Apr 15 12:26:59 ata ITA07.07 or somesuch Apr 15 12:27:06 aka Apr 15 12:27:20 Doc:any idea why harmattan media plyer keeps showing "cannot play this video" message over *some* spots in *some* videos? Apr 15 12:27:21 or was it IEA? Apr 15 12:27:26 DocScrutinizer: I'm not so worried about an AT interface I don't use, as much as glib dependencies ;) Apr 15 12:28:09 RST38h: DSP breaks? Apr 15 12:28:29 dunno, looks like it has been designed in Apr 15 12:29:18 the various encodings are not always according to the mere clean nice specs, e.g regarding max number of I-frames between those anchor frames Apr 15 12:30:16 I once looked into the topic quite some years ago. There's a lot of mess in there Apr 15 12:31:51 all the formats define certain maxima for all the parameters (samplingrate, number of iframes, whatnot else) and not all media files are encoded in a way so they all the time comply with those restrictions Apr 15 12:32:04 some decoders can cope with that, others not Apr 15 12:34:15 RST38h; probably it crashes on that video because of a bug in the decoder Apr 15 12:35:28 luke-jr: ofono guys used "AT interface" as a swearword, which it actually is in that regard. However fso implements a proper abstract dbus API, while ofono much more implemented something resembling a perverted AT API Apr 15 12:35:43 Also h264 defines like 6 different profiles with increasing coding complexity, multiplies by like 6 different levels of bandwidth/res/fps limits :P Apr 15 12:36:11 ShadowJK: can also be a bug in media file Apr 15 12:36:28 Yes of course, but the decoder mustn't crash on that Apr 15 12:36:45 indeed Apr 15 12:36:54 but DSP, you know... :-S Apr 15 12:37:25 maybe it doesn't even crash but just throws exception Apr 15 12:37:31 libav/ffmoeg guys actually crashproof by flipping random bits in the datastructure of random files, until the decoder crashes, and then the decoder is fixed to not crash Apr 15 12:37:42 which in turn results in what RST38h reports Apr 15 12:37:58 as well as having error detection and error concealment modes Apr 15 12:38:10 Yeah it's probably something like that Apr 15 12:38:55 in the end, what else is DSP supposed to do, than just blackout video signal and tell API "I can't do that!" Apr 15 12:39:49 ideally conituing to read media and trying to resync Apr 15 12:39:56 eventually Apr 15 12:40:02 skip ahead to next data that passes sanity check, perform the sane-looking steps on the damaged area anyway, and apply strong blur filter on it Apr 15 12:40:12 ==resync Apr 15 12:40:16 ya Apr 15 12:40:39 LOL on blur filter Apr 15 12:43:17 When you have error concealment techniques, and the original file is made using data partitioning, you can have a watchable result even if like 1% of bits are wrong Apr 15 12:44:00 usually no wrong bits but "rogue" commands in there Apr 15 12:44:38 * RST38h sighs: android is such a cesspool of crackers... Apr 15 12:45:07 indeed Apr 15 12:45:19 that's why I deprecate andridiot Apr 15 12:45:30 what type of crackers? Apr 15 12:45:42 edible? copy-protection removers? scriptkiddies? Apr 15 12:46:07 scriptkiddies sounds about correct Apr 15 12:46:37 maybe call them flakes Apr 15 12:46:42 dont really ever use it outside work anyway, and even then not use, just bang out code Apr 15 12:47:03 What does AT do? Apr 15 12:47:18 And android is so lame, you don't know whats going on Apr 15 12:47:28 lolcat: do you know wikipedia? Apr 15 12:47:41 yes Apr 15 12:47:58 aaah and google for (now I recall) ETSI07.07 Apr 15 12:48:15 And Java "security" can't really be used without quotes Apr 15 12:48:51 But lots, *lots* of *very* importat sounding people with very elaborate software frameworks supposed to implement security in Java Apr 15 12:49:06 or 07.05? Apr 15 12:49:24 Kids actually no longer crack this stuff by hand, there are script for automated cracking of Android apks Apr 15 12:51:07 crack packages? Apr 15 12:51:19 lolcat: esp for you, lazy lad: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hayes_AT Apr 15 12:53:22 lolcat: and here comes your "dialer" #1: Apr 15 12:53:25 pnatd Apr 15 12:54:16 * RST38h sets an /ignore that got reset, apparetly Apr 15 12:54:27 that's really all you need to type to xterm, to get a "dialer" in maemo. Just you need to key in "ATD" before you enter number. instead of green button you hit Apr 15 12:54:57 DocScrutinizer: Awesome Apr 15 12:55:04 is there any way to reset an n9 if I don't have the security code? Apr 15 12:55:11 I just have to get some linux to boot on the note Apr 15 13:35:01 uhm Apr 15 13:35:17 Is there any way to prevent my GPRS connection automatically going to 3g when it's available? Just using with 2G or 2.5G Apr 15 13:35:27 Nokia N900 Apr 15 13:35:44 huh, does GPRS switch to 3G when you're on 2G when not connected? Apr 15 13:35:59 the label in my status bar says 2.5 even when I'm internet-connected Apr 15 13:36:15 mine appears to opt for the fastest service available Apr 15 13:36:36 what are you using for switching it to 2G? Apr 15 13:37:17 I'm not - that's the question - I want manual switching between <3G and3G+ Apr 15 13:37:47 I'm using some applet for that, I'll look up the name for ya Apr 15 13:37:48 because I have strange deals with the provider here and I want to keep my 3G for bi downloads Apr 15 13:37:58 tadzik: cheers ;) Apr 15 13:38:10 jpinx: seems to be http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/3g2g-mode-selection-applet/ Apr 15 13:38:39 hope this helps :) Apr 15 13:38:49 tadzik: thanks - looking... Apr 15 13:40:24 2g/3g switcher Apr 15 13:40:25 oh Apr 15 13:40:27 yeah - that Apr 15 13:40:32 * SpeedEvil should read to the end of scroll Apr 15 13:41:14 by the way: does anyone have any strong data on its influence on battery life? Apr 15 13:41:41 Of what? Apr 15 13:41:56 how much does switching to 2g really help Apr 15 13:42:04 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption Apr 15 13:42:18 In short - for slow, regular data transmission - 2G wins hands-down Apr 15 13:42:30 for large bursts, occausionally - 3g Apr 15 13:42:46 indeed, looks convincing Apr 15 13:44:23 so switching the hardware lock screen button is actually suspending the phone? Apr 15 13:47:07 Umm. Apr 15 13:47:22 Suspend is a term that isn't quite valid with maemo. Apr 15 13:47:29 Normally. Apr 15 13:47:43 It just - hopefully - goes idle. Apr 15 13:49:35 yeah, that confuses me. So suspend only happens when you explicitely tell kernel to do so? Apr 15 13:49:41 As in echo mem > /sys/power/state Apr 15 13:50:16 otherwise I'd be suprised that gsm still works in this state Apr 15 13:51:16 yes Apr 15 13:51:22 GSM is quite irrelevant Apr 15 13:51:30 It's handled by another (two) cores. Apr 15 13:51:35 Not on the main chip. Apr 15 13:51:46 oh, interesting Apr 15 13:52:06 However, unfortunately, the GSM modem is configured so it interrupts the CPU on changes of signal state. Apr 15 13:52:24 Which means you can't actually echo mem >... without it waking up every 30s Apr 15 14:00:12 yeah Apr 15 14:00:25 OTOH. Apr 15 14:00:42 That just means ~6 days standby, not ~9 Apr 15 14:01:05 oh, maybe you guys know, or know of some reading. How does GSM protocol work? Is the phone completely passive, just receiving the signal, or is it sending something too? Apr 15 14:01:34 It's bidirectional, but the tower is in control. Apr 15 14:01:40 and when it's looking for a signal, is it better to stand still, or it does not matter at all? Apr 15 14:01:44 oh, wait Apr 15 14:01:47 s/GSM/GPS/ Apr 15 14:01:52 Ah Apr 15 14:02:09 I don't suppose phone has a power to reach the satellite Apr 15 14:02:18 For GPS - the receiver is completely passive. Apr 15 14:02:34 But, it may want to do transmission over the phone network to get sagtellite info Apr 15 14:04:42 I think it does so Apr 15 14:05:04 but I have mixed feeling about effect of this signaling on the success rate of reaching the satellite signal Apr 15 14:06:07 you need supl.google.com to get decent TTFF Apr 15 14:06:14 It depends - I haven't quite worked out what it is. Apr 15 14:06:29 supl.nokia.com is known to have bitrotten to death Apr 15 14:06:49 Getting a fix a few hours before you actually need GPS helps Apr 15 14:06:52 where do I change that? Apr 15 14:07:02 settings :-) Apr 15 14:07:07 Ah - that would explain why I had issues earlier this week. Apr 15 14:07:15 I'd forgotten to change that on this phone Apr 15 14:07:17 heh, sounds reasonable, yeah :) Apr 15 14:07:41 changed, DocScrutinizer++ Apr 15 14:10:58 I wonder if we could ship a reminder pkg with next CSSU, to pop up a requester asking "do you want to use supl.google.com instead of broken supl.nokia.com? bla explain blub..." Apr 15 14:11:26 sound reasonable Apr 15 14:11:27 merlin1991: Pali: MohammadAG: ^^^^ Apr 15 14:11:48 are there more servers like this one? I'm not quite fond of Google Apr 15 14:12:34 well, I guess there's a couple, but most of them are strictly for-our-customers Apr 15 14:12:45 I see Apr 15 14:13:18 you might want to ask aunt google about supl servers Apr 15 14:13:55 heh, nokia advises to use supl.google.com Apr 15 14:14:00 DocScrutinizer: is there a reproducible test-case for the 'brokenness'? Apr 15 14:14:04 tadzik: where? Apr 15 14:14:11 or it's just "thenokiablog.com", may not be Nokia itself Apr 15 14:14:30 probably not nokia at all; disregard Apr 15 14:15:03 * dm8tbr would be very interested to get detailed instructions how to reproduce the 'supl' problem Apr 15 14:15:37 dm8tbr: launch some gps-using software, let it use A-GPS, spend the next n minutes waiting Apr 15 14:15:44 HAH - http://thenokiablog.com/2009/12/16/google-location-server-supl/ Apr 15 14:15:46 I can reproduce it with those spets Apr 15 14:16:04 dm8tbr: ^^^ Apr 15 14:16:17 yeah, that's the one I found to Apr 15 14:16:20 s/to/too Apr 15 14:17:10 that's not exactly a good instruction *sigh* Apr 15 14:17:31 does it only happen in certain parts of the world or everywhere? Apr 15 14:17:44 that blog post mentions it worked in amsterdam but didn't in the US Apr 15 14:18:10 it really sucks in Poland, as far as I can sya Apr 15 14:18:25 tadzik: which operator in poland? Apr 15 14:18:30 dm8tbr: Play Apr 15 14:18:41 aka P4, methinks Apr 15 14:19:08 hrm, might need to buy me a play starter tomorrow Apr 15 14:19:27 oh, you're from Poland? Apr 15 14:20:23 I'm in Finland today, but tomorrow I'll be on a business trip in Poland Apr 15 14:20:33 I see Apr 15 14:21:02 Play is the cheapest one, I think, and the prizes for internet packets are quite reasonable, I think Apr 15 14:22:02 I'm mostly using orange as they fit my very rare usage scheme best. I only visit every now and then for a week Apr 15 14:24:24 dm8tbr: I think it's nokia supl server, not related to data carrier (modulo RRNLP or what's the name, the GSM based hidden AGPS layer) Apr 15 14:25:24 and I'd not be surprised it's once more an auth issue at nokia Apr 15 14:26:31 NB AGPS fails independently of 2G, 3G, WLAN... Apr 15 14:27:22 so investigating GPRS issues seems kinda not to the point really Apr 15 14:28:43 probably tshark is the tool to investigate this issue Apr 15 14:30:27 and almost same issue been seen for diablo AGPS Apr 15 14:32:02 and probably also for HARM - after all the URL supl.nokia.com will resolve to same IP for all three devices/OS Apr 15 14:37:02 huh Apr 15 14:37:29 having screen blacked out (not locked, just black because of time passed) and keybord open, a keyboard blinks from time to time. Any ideas where might that come from? Apr 15 14:37:51 have you set R+D mode? Apr 15 14:37:54 Unset it Apr 15 14:38:20 indeed Apr 15 14:38:20 if I do, gainroot won't work anymore Apr 15 14:38:33 BWAHAHAHA sorry Apr 15 14:38:44 install rootsh! Apr 15 14:39:06 I have it installed Apr 15 14:39:10 there's a reason I turned R+D on Apr 15 14:39:29 rootsh just tells me "if you want to break your phone turn RD mode one" Apr 15 14:39:31 s/one/on/ Apr 15 14:39:36 no way Apr 15 14:39:43 that's NOT rootsh Apr 15 14:39:58 that'S what maemo says when rootsh pkg NOT installed Apr 15 14:40:16 hmm, hold on Apr 15 14:40:37 it's not rootsh that is responsible for 'sudo gainroot'? Apr 15 14:40:59 btw you should use cmd `root' rather than `sudo gainroot' Apr 15 14:41:18 cmd root comes with rootsh pkg Apr 15 14:41:31 I've just tried that one for the first time, but I assure you, sudo gainroot forced me to turn R&D on Apr 15 14:41:56 I wouldn't have bothered otherwise Apr 15 14:42:13 I assure you we all have seen this nonsensical msg, and we all installed rootsh pkg instead of enabling R&D Apr 15 14:42:20 okay Apr 15 14:42:29 interesting though Apr 15 14:43:46 what does it even want to say? Apr 15 14:44:18 if it's so easy to gain proper root (hell, Nokia even used it as one of the sellpoints iirc?), why does it do that Apr 15 14:44:50 root access doesn't come per default Apr 15 14:45:11 you either enable R&D or install rootsh from extras Apr 15 14:45:22 or install openssh :) Apr 15 14:45:24 but yeah Apr 15 14:46:09 * FIQ|n900 just installed rootsh and fiddled with sudo and then got rid of rootsh Apr 15 14:46:23 meh Apr 15 14:46:49 s/sudo/\/etc\/sudoers/ Apr 15 14:47:12 getting rid of rootsh means you replaced the rootsh sudoers file with your own, as that's all rootsh does: add proper sudoers line Apr 15 14:47:28 I suppose Apr 15 14:47:37 FIQ|n900: it's of course so Dangerous to enable root access. People do it anyway, and it _is_ a selling point for the devices. Apr 15 14:48:07 but rootsh also ships a nice oneliner shellscript called `root' which is the supposed way to get *real* root Apr 15 14:48:15 enabling it is fine. doing random shit while root isn't :P Apr 15 14:48:44 "gainroot" is equivalent to "su", which doesn't replace user environment Apr 15 14:48:55 V-ille: i said, IIRC, I read it somewhere, maybe the source was wrong, or I remember incorrectly Apr 15 14:49:05 so you need a "su -" after that to get root environment, or just use "root" in the first place Apr 15 14:49:06 having no clue and having no clue about having no clue - that's the most dangerous thing and root of all problems Apr 15 14:49:32 DocScrutinizer: okay, it works fine. Thank you Apr 15 14:49:41 YW Apr 15 14:52:52 also there's one thing I didn't understand when I edited sudoers -- why did Nokia do a weird update-sudoers script that cluttered the file with way more things that should be necessary? Apr 15 14:53:16 btw R&D mode is not recommended for everyday usage for a number of reasons. Power consumption for several debug systems only one of them Apr 15 14:54:59 FIQ|n900: you mustn't edit /etc/sudoers. update-sudoers is just aggregating all the files in etc/sudoers.d/* into that file Apr 15 14:55:17 http://imgur.com/IHd3Y -- any ideas what does he want? Apr 15 14:55:41 since our sudo is too old to know about sudoers.d (or any directories) Apr 15 14:56:16 ok Apr 15 14:56:30 update-* sounds like a debian thing ;p Apr 15 14:57:59 tadzik: try to get dist-upgrade to work for some reason Apr 15 14:58:16 which will just break the device Apr 15 14:58:55 even though the apt error message doesn't make sense since the dependicies are met. Apr 15 15:00:08 he wants to install sysv.init - OMG Apr 15 15:00:41 probably upstart wants some backwards comp. Apr 15 15:00:42 glhf with that Apr 15 15:02:08 tadzik: apt tells that it needs 3:1.6.1.legal-1osso8 or newer, and I'm sure 3.1.10.1.legal-1osso30 is newer. Apr 15 15:02:12 well, I have no F'ing clue what's the purpose of all that in this "screenshot", but quite obviously it's as wrong as it can get Apr 15 15:02:55 that's what i meant with apt not making sense, not that this will do any good anyway, but... yeah Apr 15 15:02:57 PEBKAC Apr 15 15:03:30 apt msgs sound reasonable enough to me Apr 15 15:03:53 FIQ|n900: yeah, I noticed that too. Maybe some version parsing fail Apr 15 15:04:24 maybe YOU SHOULDN'T TRY TO INSTALL sysv-init on an upstart system? Apr 15 15:04:42 oh ffs, chill out a bit Apr 15 15:04:50 maybe you shouldn't do dist-upgrade? Apr 15 15:04:55 why wouldn't I? Apr 15 15:05:59 [2012-04-15 16:57:59] tadzik: try to get dist-upgrade to work for some reason Apr 15 15:06:00 [2012-04-15 16:58:16] which will just break the device Apr 15 15:06:39 plain "upgrade" is a bad idea too ;p Apr 15 15:06:45 indeed Apr 15 15:07:03 okay. Is there a specific reason why dist-upgrade is broken? Is the official package manager cheating somehow, and not using apt-get behind the scenes? Apr 15 15:07:27 The official manager knows of rules and dependencies that apt does not Apr 15 15:07:32 it's using apt-get but not upgrade Apr 15 15:07:47 and also official manager runs scripts that apt doesn't know of Apr 15 15:07:57 okay, I see Apr 15 15:08:33 the reason behind all this being Nokia's weird metapackage that includes 99% of maemo Apr 15 15:08:47 It's okay for some simple things, not part of the base system and not part of the maemo stack. Apr 15 15:09:01 a concept that doesn't play nicely with general debian packaging Apr 15 15:09:15 maemo-generic-community-pr? Apr 15 15:09:22 or whatever it was named Apr 15 15:11:52 DocScrutinizer, no idea if it is possible to change supl server by default via cssu Apr 15 15:12:21 not per default, just rising a requester, and change it when user agrees Apr 15 15:13:13 anyone tried ask nokia why their server doesn't work? Apr 15 15:13:58 Pali: the server is in gconf: /system/nokia/location/supl/server Apr 15 15:14:16 ok Apr 15 15:15:44 gconftool -R /system/nokia/location/supl Apr 15 15:16:05 Although I did open a bug about Diablo agps no longer working with supl.nokia.com a year or two ago... Apr 15 15:16:33 btw, supl.google.com has also at times not worked for fremantle :P Apr 15 15:18:04 my GPS has never worked the last year, I think it's because I broke it when I feeded my N900 Apr 15 15:18:18 I don't miss it Apr 15 15:18:44 feeded it?? Apr 15 15:19:02 I gave it food unintentionally Apr 15 15:19:10 or more like a drink Apr 15 15:19:20 never feed it after midnight! ;-P Apr 15 15:19:29 It worked fine afterwards except for the GPS chip Apr 15 15:19:43 :nod: Apr 15 15:19:55 GPS is most delicate Apr 15 15:20:12 I never used it seriously anyway Apr 15 15:20:36 iirc it's also the only tincan you can't open Apr 15 15:20:57 for some reason Apr 15 15:21:29 even a separate lid wouldn't shield the way it's needed for GPS Apr 15 15:21:33 heh Apr 15 15:22:00 at least that's my take on it Apr 15 16:01:29 updates over gprs are painfully slow :( Apr 15 16:08:03 * SpeedEvil suspects DocScrutinizer's adding to bugzilla on GPS may not have any point at this date :) Apr 15 16:09:09 well, maybe open a bug agains CSSU? Apr 15 16:09:15 *against Apr 15 16:09:49 * dm8tbr still wonders if anyone tried to get an answer from nokia on this topic Apr 15 16:10:19 this location stuff seems to be important for them, imagine what if it's also broken on !n900 Apr 15 16:11:11 could be that just a few servers are affected, i've bever had any problem with here Apr 15 16:11:38 it might be location specific Apr 15 16:19:47 SpeedEvil: DocScrutinizer is well aware Apr 15 16:19:57 :) Apr 15 16:21:32 freemangordon: for N8x0/diablo it's clearly stated it was/is indeed location specific, via geoIP/loadbalancing/whatever Apr 15 16:22:18 freemangordon: the suggestion been to replace supl.nokia.com with a correct IP of a known good server from the supl.nokia distributed farm Apr 15 16:23:16 yeah, i saw that Apr 15 16:24:16 anyway runour has it now it's completely fsckdup for everybody on diablo Apr 15 16:24:53 can we do it by simply using /etc/hosts? Apr 15 16:25:08 haven't heard of nor tested supl.google.com with diablo Apr 15 16:25:26 not even needed Apr 15 16:25:37 the setting takes IP as well as URL Apr 15 16:25:45 I tried changing gconf /system/osso/supl/ Apr 15 16:25:47