**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Apr 17 03:00:00 2012 Apr 17 05:48:41 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/04/16/moodys_downgrade_nokia_junk/ Apr 17 05:58:38 ruskie: it was obvious from the very beginning that going with windows will lead to a dead end, sooner or later Apr 17 07:49:57 hmm, Apr 17 07:50:24 can someone paste me their /etc/sudoers.d/01sudo file Apr 17 07:53:12 damnit Apr 17 07:53:20 my damn n900 keeps disconnecting the sim for some reason Apr 17 07:53:36 now i really screwed it up trying to fix it.. i somehow managed to wipe the kernel without having the original install Apr 17 07:54:08 i hope it is some awkward cssu bug and not a hardware issue Apr 17 07:54:20 but considering i have been running cssu for weeks and really haven't changed the phone much it is looking grim :( Apr 17 07:54:27 i should rma it for an e7 :) Apr 17 07:58:49 You get 'sim error' messages? Apr 17 08:00:47 no Apr 17 08:00:57 i get the sim not there icon Apr 17 08:01:01 then it comes back Apr 17 08:01:05 then goes away.. then comes back Apr 17 08:01:11 it seems once i try to use the modem it dies Apr 17 08:01:14 then comes back :) Apr 17 08:01:20 :/ Apr 17 08:01:30 yeah.. that's exactly how i felt Apr 17 08:01:36 Is the battery a bit dodgy? Apr 17 08:01:43 i swapped batteries Apr 17 08:01:46 but the last one was Apr 17 08:01:49 came with a wall charger Apr 17 08:02:02 i used the nokia battery and still have issues Apr 17 08:02:05 But more likely I'd say it's a not uncommon fault. :/ Apr 17 08:02:25 well... hopefully it isn't damaged hardware Apr 17 08:02:30 but so far it seems that way Apr 17 08:02:37 i tried an att sim and had the same problem Apr 17 08:02:43 so it isn't the sim or tmobile Apr 17 10:52:08 sounds like the "high hill effect" Apr 17 10:52:52 when device tries to associate to a BTS that's way too far away Apr 17 10:55:16 but also may be: poor location (device has not enough power to reach BTS); BTS occupied; roaming error; antenna semi-defect; battery weak (too high impedance); modem defect Apr 17 10:55:53 interference on upstream band Apr 17 11:05:06 even wrong band (850MHz for a 900MHz device) may cause such issues Apr 17 11:50:32 [general notice] There will be a Council meeting (IRC - #maemo-meeting) at 15:00 UTC on Tuesday April 17. Apr 17 11:52:51 X-Fade: ^^^ Apr 17 11:53:17 X-Fade: (you're chan owner, so it would help to have you around ;-D) Apr 17 11:53:37 thanks Doc Apr 17 11:53:41 YW Apr 17 11:54:17 I'd add a logbot if any of the chanops would allow me to Apr 17 11:54:51 alas it seems none of the chanops is even aware there's some pending activity over there Apr 17 11:56:48 I'm tempted to do it nevertheless if none of the chanops is vetoing until 15min before meeting Apr 17 11:57:37 GeneralAntilles: PING Apr 17 11:57:54 Jaffa_: PING Apr 17 11:58:01 Jaffa_: ^^^ Apr 17 11:59:06 ghjgfjghjbn: do you really like this nick? Apr 17 11:59:33 DocScrutinizer: take a chill pill Apr 17 12:00:12 teotwaki: wut? I'm hoping coffee eventualy kicks in, half asleep ;-) Apr 17 12:02:01 so you might argue coffee is the chill pill of my choice. Actually it seems all such "drugs" work paradox for me Apr 17 12:15:25 SD69: you might want to ask X-Fade to moderate the meeting, I seem to not get past his ignore list Apr 17 12:15:42 he's active this very moment on #harmattan Apr 17 12:16:29 DocScrutinizer: I think Council will moderate the meeting Apr 17 12:16:36 and he's chanowner of #maemo-meeting, so the only one who can do proper moderation Apr 17 12:17:04 SD69: so please council update #maemo-meeting /topic ;-D Apr 17 12:17:42 ahh Apr 17 12:17:48 this should be done *now*, not halfway into actual meeting Apr 17 12:19:55 SD69: adding a logbot shuld also be finished before meeting starts, I need permission of *chanop* to do this Apr 17 12:20:28 sure, let's hope momcilo updates it Apr 17 12:20:42 (well, not really. But that's best practice) Apr 17 12:20:54 who's momcilo? Apr 17 12:21:05 lol Apr 17 12:21:10 he's not on #maemo-meeting accesslist Apr 17 12:21:36 momcilo is in current council Apr 17 12:21:43 /ms chanserv access #maemo-meeting list Apr 17 12:22:01 /msg even Apr 17 12:22:13 yeah, i noticed Apr 17 12:23:49 I'd suggest X-Fade adds somebody to access list who will take care, though I know he won't accept at least me for that Apr 17 12:24:19 Why? Apr 17 12:25:22 same reason he ignores all my direct pings to him Apr 17 12:25:43 I'm bitching too much about aegis Apr 17 12:25:57 ;-D Apr 17 12:26:46 and I even started that before we had access to any actual aegis implementation Apr 17 12:28:07 the general tale back when been "let's wait and see what it actually will bring us" - I always begged to differ Apr 17 12:29:05 I just think you need to give it a bit more time to grow on you Apr 17 12:29:10 .......... :p Apr 17 12:29:16 hahahahaha Apr 17 12:29:21 good one, Termana Apr 17 12:31:17 well, I know how I get beyond his /ignore Apr 17 12:35:45 DocScrutinizer is our little devil, lol Apr 17 12:36:33 ;) j/k Apr 17 12:36:40 >:-D Apr 17 12:39:10 crap Apr 17 12:39:15 i need to flash a kernel on this damn thing now :/ Apr 17 12:39:32 i guess removing the power kernel from pkg manager is not a good thing to do Apr 17 12:39:52 i sure hope this is a software problem with teh sim but i am doubting it Apr 17 12:40:01 i think something got messed up in the phone somehow :( Apr 17 12:40:33 javispedro: \o/ Apr 17 12:40:42 see /topic! Apr 17 12:40:51 ECHAN ;P Apr 17 12:41:47 what''s the council meeting about? Apr 17 12:42:18 DocScrutinizer: oops, actually, errno=0, apologies Apr 17 12:42:34 haha Apr 17 12:42:45 Macer: see ML link Apr 17 12:43:36 Macer: you may ask x-fade to update the /topic in #maemo-meeting Apr 17 12:44:00 macer: "disconnecting the sim" = crossed out sim icon in status area? "dmesg" to pastebin after it happens plz Apr 17 12:44:59 ShadowJK: +1 :-) Apr 17 12:45:52 Macer: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2012-April/005085.html Apr 17 12:50:52 ShadowJK: yes Apr 17 12:51:02 sorry i already ruined the kernel Apr 17 12:51:11 i have to flash a new kernel to it Apr 17 12:51:36 i don't get an error.. i just keep getting the no sim icon over and over Apr 17 12:51:57 it was driving me nuts.. and i thought it may have something to do with the power kernel.. tried removing it and removed it without installing the stock kernel heh Apr 17 12:54:00 ShadowJK: is this a known problem? Apr 17 12:54:04 or is it my hardware going bad? Apr 17 12:54:10 yes Apr 17 12:55:04 yes to known problem? Apr 17 12:55:09 or bad hardware? :) Apr 17 12:55:24 yes :) Apr 17 12:55:30 get a dmesg Apr 17 12:55:31 lol Apr 17 12:55:33 hahaha Apr 17 12:55:37 well.. that sucks :) Apr 17 12:55:46 ok... i will flash it in a minute Apr 17 12:55:50 Macer: move to another BTS cell Apr 17 12:55:59 BTS cell? Apr 17 12:56:07 "tower" Apr 17 12:56:11 i did already Apr 17 12:56:17 ooh :-/ Apr 17 12:56:22 i actually swapped an att sim into it Apr 17 12:56:28 i mean it won't wrok 3G but it will still work Apr 17 12:56:32 and it had the same problem Apr 17 12:56:37 dang Apr 17 12:56:42 someone lent me their att sim Apr 17 12:56:42 sounds like hw Apr 17 12:56:46 yeah :/ Apr 17 12:56:54 i'm going to flash it and see if it persists Apr 17 12:57:01 if it doesn't then i'm blaming cssu :-P Apr 17 12:57:02 lol Apr 17 12:57:04 but i doubt it Apr 17 12:57:12 i was using it for weeks with the version of cssu running on it Apr 17 12:57:14 cssu is innocent Apr 17 12:57:19 i know.. i was joking Apr 17 12:57:37 i had cssu on it for a while.. this problem just ... started.. weird Apr 17 12:57:44 and it's made in finland Apr 17 12:57:49 guess i can't blame asia anymore :/ Apr 17 12:57:53 Macer: with no support, but you could try to bend the sim pins a bit Apr 17 12:57:59 i had this issue too and it worked Apr 17 12:58:01 It's likely hw failure. I've had two N900s fail that way. The output of dmesg would confirm Apr 17 12:58:13 ShadowJK: doh :) Apr 17 12:58:19 what would i be looking for in dmesg? Apr 17 12:58:34 "Kernel panic.... sim fail" Apr 17 12:58:35 heh Apr 17 12:59:23 CMT rst Apr 17 12:59:26 iirc Apr 17 13:00:07 EMP Apr 17 13:00:18 bbiab. Need to go pick up lightbulbs for car so it'll pass mot. Apr 17 13:00:27 ghostcube: i sure hope it is something that simple ;) Apr 17 13:00:51 Macer: hardly Apr 17 13:00:53 its just happening if the phone falls down or something like this Apr 17 13:01:00 just pull the cover and battery out Apr 17 13:01:05 open sim card holder Apr 17 13:01:14 and be soft to the pins Apr 17 13:01:18 dont bend them to hard Apr 17 13:01:26 but a close inspection of SIM holder and esp contacts there can't hurt (unless you break the contacts while bending them) Apr 17 13:01:37 i already did ;) Apr 17 13:01:48 DocScrutinizer: worked for me several times so far Apr 17 13:01:49 not break them Apr 17 13:01:52 bent them upwards Apr 17 13:01:59 Macer: yep Apr 17 13:02:01 Either the N900 was not built to last or you guys are just extremely rough with it :p USB ports falling out, SIM hardware failures. Those poor N900s. Mine just got chucked in a sink, ended it pretty quickly. Apr 17 13:02:16 Termana: food processor Apr 17 13:02:17 ? Apr 17 13:02:18 my usb port is not a problem so far Apr 17 13:02:31 just the sim detection fails sometimes Apr 17 13:02:36 Macer, will it blend? Apr 17 13:02:47 Made in Finland. Definitely blends Apr 17 13:02:50 haha Apr 17 13:02:55 Macer: I was about to type just that ;-D Apr 17 13:03:08 err Termana Apr 17 13:03:45 mmm? Apr 17 13:03:50 well, oxidized/stained/dirty contacts on SIM holder are not that uncommon Apr 17 13:04:02 Termana: (does it blend) Apr 17 13:04:02 have to swap over to a pc Apr 17 13:04:04 brb Apr 17 13:04:30 OH. OH. YOU WANT ME TO SEE WEATHER MINE BLENDS? Apr 17 13:04:54 for cleaning contacts you either use a paper business card without varnish (raw paper) Apr 17 13:04:58 I don't have a blender. Sorry. Apr 17 13:05:19 Termana: hand blender? Apr 17 13:05:40 or a rubber eraser, the hard type that has fine sand in it - only for really heavy stains though Apr 17 13:05:52 * StyXman notices that he doesn't know appliance's names in english Apr 17 13:05:58 usually the 'blue' type Apr 17 13:06:32 alrighty Apr 17 13:06:46 where is the wiki on how to flash power kernel to the phone? Apr 17 13:06:47 :) Apr 17 13:06:49 StyXman, no hand blender either. I have a whisk. Maybe I can start a new series - will it whisk and brown in the oven Apr 17 13:08:10 Termana: hehehe Apr 17 13:11:48 [general notice] There will be a Council meeting (IRC - #maemo-meeting) at 15:00 UTC on Tuesday April 17. Apr 17 13:11:59 hm Apr 17 13:12:11 i need to get power kernel uhm... 2.6.10? Apr 17 13:12:13 i can't remember Apr 17 13:12:22 i remember there being a 10 in there somewhere :) anybody know where i can get the img? Apr 17 13:14:39 WOW 313 users Apr 17 13:15:35 Macer: only way I know is to install stock kernel, than use kernel-power(flasher|modules) packages and install them Apr 17 13:16:02 I bet pali has provided some image you could flash directly as well Apr 17 13:16:49 *somewhere* Apr 17 13:17:05 wow Apr 17 13:17:26 ok. where can i find the stock kernel just to get the thing to boot? :) Apr 17 13:18:46 use flasher utility: it has a flash kernel-only option .. and the rootfs file. Apr 17 13:19:14 it's even explained on ~flashing Apr 17 13:19:31 Duplicate headers received from server Apr 17 13:19:35 wtf? Apr 17 13:19:44 http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php?f=RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin Apr 17 13:20:33 err wait.... COMBINED_002 ? Apr 17 13:20:45 use global version! Apr 17 13:21:10 the whole page is doing it Apr 17 13:21:15 none of the images seem to want to download Apr 17 13:21:16 cmt known to occasionally freak out on localized firmware Apr 17 13:21:27 http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php Apr 17 13:21:29 Macer: you "registered"? Apr 17 13:21:38 yes Apr 17 13:21:40 i put the ser in Apr 17 13:21:45 hmm Apr 17 13:21:53 IMEI but anyway Apr 17 13:22:15 let me try again Apr 17 13:23:35 gtalk on maemo is a hello... messages would get disappear, I encountered several times Apr 17 13:24:37 msgs disappearing usually related to corrupted database Apr 17 13:24:45 Error 349 (net::ERR_RESPONSE_HEADERS_MULTIPLE_CONTENT_DISPOSITION): Multiple Content-Disposition headers received. This is disallowed to protect against HTTP response splitting attacks. Apr 17 13:25:00 are you kidding me ? :) Apr 17 13:25:21 o.O Apr 17 13:25:55 use another browser maybe Apr 17 13:26:03 that's what i'm doing now Apr 17 13:26:43 DocScrutinizer: disappear sometimes, not always. Apr 17 13:27:05 DocScrutinizer: how to know if database is corrupted or not? Apr 17 13:27:25 LaoLang_cool: I don't know for sure Apr 17 13:27:26 I've cleared conversation of gtalk, but still have the issue Apr 17 13:27:42 might be something completely different Apr 17 13:27:42 wow ie works tho? Apr 17 13:27:50 weird. remind me to figure that out later heh Apr 17 13:28:00 Macer: which browser? Apr 17 13:28:07 DocScrutinizer: thank you all the same Apr 17 13:28:10 the error was in chrome Apr 17 13:28:45 LaoLang_cool: really sorry, I just heard of it, and know of some tmo threads dealing with related topics Apr 17 13:29:21 anyway what I heard is not gtalk specific Apr 17 13:29:33 usually noticed for SMS Apr 17 13:29:36 DocScrutinizer: ok, I'll try to find the threads Apr 17 13:29:52 oh, sms works fine here Apr 17 13:30:31 I gather it's same database though Apr 17 13:31:02 really, might be a red herring and completely unrelated Apr 17 13:32:13 is there a 64bit version of the driver to flash on a win7 box? Apr 17 13:32:20 It's not "SIM hardware failure" for my two cases. However, the UI uses "crossed out sim" icon for all and any unknown/uncommon faults with the modem Apr 17 13:33:06 SIM is synonym for cmt Apr 17 13:33:16 oh Apr 17 13:33:28 i see a nokia bbs adl loader usb generic driver installed Apr 17 13:33:31 let me try flashing Apr 17 13:36:33 grrr Apr 17 13:36:45 this damn flasher says suitable usb device not found Apr 17 13:36:46 blahblah Apr 17 13:37:30 Also in my case on both, it'd fail if I pinched phone with thumb and finger at around g h on keyboard. If I kept pinching and booting phone without a SIM, I got a message saying something like unknown telephony error emergency calls disabled Apr 17 13:38:22 Generic flashing advice: unplug cable, switch off N900, remove battery, start flasher, plug in cable, insert battery Apr 17 13:44:31 APE algorithm has to be... Apr 17 13:44:42 ?? Apr 17 13:44:51 provided to flash all the subimages Apr 17 13:45:11 i did flasher.exe RX...bin --flash-only=kernel -f -R Apr 17 13:45:41 well you're missing -F Apr 17 13:45:53 sorry Apr 17 13:45:59 -F RX...bin Apr 17 13:47:21 I'd try a more 'logical' sequence: -f --flash-only=kernel -F Apr 17 13:47:34 shouldn't matter Apr 17 13:47:55 -R is bogus, but also shouldn't matter Apr 17 13:48:15 nope .. same error Apr 17 13:48:19 ~flashing Apr 17 13:48:20 i guess maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Apr 17 13:48:24 ah well.. screw it let me see if i can flash the entire image Apr 17 13:48:27 that is what i am reading :-P Apr 17 13:49:19 flasher is a bitch Apr 17 13:49:51 no i am thinking it is some retarded win7 x64 driver problem Apr 17 13:49:57 I tried giving it multiple -F, to do combined & vanilla in one command -> fails Apr 17 13:51:35 suitable usb device not found Apr 17 13:51:39 and it is obviously waiting Apr 17 13:51:40 ugh! Apr 17 13:53:55 * Macer pounds his head Apr 17 13:55:06 let me go walk my happy ass into the closet and hook this thing up to a debian box Apr 17 13:59:14 Apr 17 08:57:09 inducere kernel: [2028179.303831] usb 1-2: Product: Nokia N900 (Update mode) Apr 17 13:59:19 go figure Apr 17 14:10:33 NOLO version 1.4.14 Apr 17 14:10:33 Version of 'sw-release': RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_MR0 Apr 17 14:10:33 Image SW version RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_MR0 Apr 17 14:10:33 ERROR: APE algorithm has to be provided to flash all the subimages Apr 17 14:10:41 wtf? Apr 17 14:12:02 oh give me a break Apr 17 14:12:06 latest flasher my ass :/ Apr 17 14:18:05 ok Apr 17 14:18:15 what am i looking for in dmesg? Apr 17 14:18:37 the bending the pins up didn't work :( Apr 17 14:19:59 [ 89.539428] * CMT rst line change detected (0) Apr 17 14:20:09 that? Apr 17 14:24:34 yeah.. i keep getting CMT rst line change detected :( Apr 17 14:26:00 hw fail Apr 17 14:26:04 imo Apr 17 14:27:00 :( Apr 17 14:28:40 i'm double checking that the pins are bent upwards one last time Apr 17 14:28:58 bugzilla says a folded piece of paper between the sim and the battery may do the trick as well Apr 17 14:29:03 otherwise it is a bad phone :( Apr 17 14:29:25 but it seems to occur whenever the modem is accessed Apr 17 14:30:11 nope on the pins :( damn this sucks Apr 17 14:30:17 wtf... talk about a jacked up device Apr 17 14:30:25 usb ports breaking off.. sim cards stop working Apr 17 14:31:31 in my case modem stops working also without sim :P Apr 17 14:31:54 (whereas working modem is capable of emergency call without sim) Apr 17 14:32:49 LOL Apr 17 14:32:58 so i should call 911 to test it? :) Apr 17 14:33:08 "sorry to bother.. just wanted to test my phone out" Apr 17 14:33:19 i'd be arrested by noon Apr 17 14:33:36 i shoved a piece of paper between the battery and the sim to see if pressure will help Apr 17 14:36:55 wow Apr 17 14:37:06 that ......... seems to have worked Apr 17 14:37:07 wth Apr 17 14:38:15 you have got to be kidding me Apr 17 14:38:27 you would think bending the pins upward would have given a better contact Apr 17 14:39:35 wtf Apr 17 14:39:37 amazing Apr 17 14:39:45 let me bend them safely a bit further Apr 17 14:42:41 Macer: the paper patch approach most likely got nothing to do with SIM contacts. I'd guess it's a broken solder point somewhere under a chip or even of the SIM holder, and by applying pressure to SIM holder you also bend the PCB and thus - with a bit of luck - make the solder point contact again Apr 17 14:43:18 oh Apr 17 14:43:49 well i still bent the pins upward a little more just to make sure Apr 17 14:44:05 honestly if this doesn't work i'm going to hopefully be able to RMA and just get an e7 ;) Apr 17 14:44:10 i think i'm tired of n900s breaking on me Apr 17 14:44:51 i'm testing it now Apr 17 14:44:55 I requested to jonni@nokia over in #harmattan if he could ask internally for investigation results of Nokia EE department regarding this rather common error pattern. Alas it seems we need other channels into Nokia to get a proper answer Apr 17 14:45:22 ask about the usb ports while you're at it :-P Apr 17 14:45:25 nope Apr 17 14:45:29 lost the sim again Apr 17 14:45:41 yeah.. i think i am just going to stay stuck with an e7 Apr 17 14:46:01 n900 is so well built minus the insides :( Apr 17 14:46:10 Macer: USB port issue is completely "closed ticket" - there's nothing more to learn about that Apr 17 14:46:32 DocScrutinizer: i'm sure... they made a piss poor design for the usb port Apr 17 14:46:40 ack Apr 17 14:46:51 ~usbfix Apr 17 14:46:52 well, usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater) Apr 17 14:47:15 my usb port is fine for now.. it's my sim not working Apr 17 14:47:18 :) Apr 17 14:47:40 i should see if nokia will send me an unlocked lumia 900 :) Apr 17 14:47:58 with the tmob freq Apr 17 14:47:59 all that can be done, plus Nokia assured they'd repair/swap/fix any USB issue for users suffering from that. Alas this promise didn't hold for significantly longer than 12 months :-/ Apr 17 14:48:12 lol.. i'm sure Apr 17 14:48:20 what is the warranty on N900s? Apr 17 14:48:31 i got mine off ebay so i doubt they'd even honor an RMA Apr 17 14:48:39 even if it was new Apr 17 14:49:20 in EU we got a general 24 months legal warranty on new goods Apr 17 14:49:42 so in the us 24 hours :-P to make up for those EU laws Apr 17 14:49:52 Nokia generously ignoring that fact Apr 17 14:50:31 heh Apr 17 14:50:46 ah well.. let me fill out the paperwork and see if they'll honor it Apr 17 14:51:07 it is obviously not a sw problem Apr 17 14:53:04 if you're going RMA/warranty, state CLEARLY and in 4RED 1 that you won't acept any symbian or winp7 replacement, and you also don't agree on Nokia simply keeping *your* device and shreddering it Apr 17 14:53:48 if that's what you want Apr 17 14:55:28 * lardman wonders whether the Lumia devices accept AT commands Apr 17 14:55:34 afternoon all Apr 17 14:56:13 Nokia still seems to prefer a notion like the devices are *theirs* and only lent out to users Apr 17 14:56:25 lumias accept AT commands from bill gates Apr 17 14:56:29 the rest must pray Apr 17 14:56:41 heh! :-D Apr 17 14:56:57 I was just thinking about harvesting cellids, and thinking about the PITA of trying to get a cellmodem working on a tablet Apr 17 14:57:18 s/harvesting/collecting Apr 17 14:57:42 I never thought I'd enjoy looking at VB code..... Apr 17 14:57:53 but it beats PCI kernel driver code Apr 17 14:58:38 meeting starts soon or am I a TZ out? Apr 17 14:58:47 * lardman goes to make a coffee in preparation Apr 17 14:59:08 lardman, starts soon Apr 17 15:01:21 cool Apr 17 15:03:53 Jaffa_: ping Apr 17 15:04:09 lardman: hey Apr 17 15:04:22 hi SpeedEvil, how's things? Apr 17 15:04:36 Council meeting (IRC - #maemo-meeting) NOW Apr 17 15:04:48 I'm still spending way too much time on writing benefits appeals. :/ Apr 17 15:04:56 all ye all ye come and discuss the future Apr 17 15:05:47 did Quim say he would attend? How's about Jaffa? Apr 17 15:06:01 * lardman looks through ml emails Apr 17 15:18:41 lardman: Sorry, busy at work. Joined now Apr 17 15:25:30 well Apr 17 15:25:37 according to nokia my n900 is out of warranty Apr 17 15:25:44 going by their records Apr 17 15:26:05 so now i have to dig up the receipt for this thing (which i pray i have) and try to send it in based on date of purchase Apr 17 15:27:12 :/ Apr 17 15:27:39 Sure you're within 24mo? Apr 17 15:27:52 well i did iget it off ebay.. but it was from a distributor Apr 17 15:27:55 not from a person Apr 17 15:28:00 but i don't know how they count that Apr 17 15:28:04 ah Apr 17 15:28:29 ironically enough Apr 17 15:28:50 the guy i talked to asked "have you tried putting a piece of paper between the battery and the sim?" Apr 17 15:28:53 LOL wtf? Apr 17 15:30:22 hah Apr 17 15:31:20 this could be the catalyst i needed to ditch tmobile tho Apr 17 15:31:29 :/ Apr 17 15:31:32 if i can't manage to rma this thing then i'm done with tmobile Apr 17 15:31:53 they have crap service anyways. the only thing keeping me with them was my n900 :) Apr 17 15:36:29 the real crappy part is the phone is a UK phone Apr 17 15:36:42 so i have to go by UK warranty.. meaning i need to ship it overseas to get it fixed lol Apr 17 15:36:45 GREAT! Apr 17 17:45:44 i hope i can send this thing to the UK and actually get it repaired or replaced Apr 17 17:45:48 only one way to find out Apr 17 17:50:58 Repair - no hope. Apr 17 17:51:00 IMO Apr 17 17:51:10 I had ~the same issue in November. Apr 17 17:51:16 And got a different phone. Apr 17 17:51:30 I question the likelyhood of a replacement lumia Apr 17 17:51:41 different non-n900 phone Apr 17 17:52:05 Better get a Symbian phone. Apr 17 17:52:13 Yes, Lumias are that bad. Apr 17 20:23:05 freemangordon: Is this linux-backports-modules piece just the bleeding-edge wireless for kp50? Safe to install, then? Apr 17 20:24:23