**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Apr 20 02:59:58 2012
Apr 20 07:22:01 <Macer> wow
Apr 20 07:22:09 <Macer> att's lte is like 2x better than tmob 4G
Apr 20 07:22:21 <Macer> no lag... perfect connection... it's amazing
Apr 20 07:23:38 <ShadowJK> is "tmob 4g" hspa?
Apr 20 07:23:49 <Macer> yes
Apr 20 07:23:52 <Macer> it sucks
Apr 20 07:23:56 <Macer> cuts in and out... crap speeds
Apr 20 07:24:12 <Macer> and i mean it cut in and out before my sim reader messed up ;)
Apr 20 07:24:27 <Macer> on my n900
Apr 20 07:24:50 <Macer> i thought it was the n900 but the G2 had the same problem..... the att lte is like being home on my cable modem heh
Apr 20 07:25:12 <Macer> and the lumia 900 is surprisingly good
Apr 20 07:25:23 <DocScrutinizer> well, seems the term "4G" got abused to oblivion
Apr 20 07:25:32 <ShadowJK> Well hspa will have a variable latency between 40 and 40000ms ;)
Apr 20 07:25:39 <Macer> lol
Apr 20 07:25:49 <DocScrutinizer> like "HiFi"
Apr 20 07:25:49 <Macer> i am sure i was hitting the 40000 mark a lot
Apr 20 07:25:56 <Macer> hifi lol
Apr 20 07:26:03 <Macer> well.. att lte does what it says it does
Apr 20 07:26:26 <Macer> it really is fast.. .hopefully some day they get rid of this 5GB limit crap
Apr 20 07:26:34 <Macer> or at least bump it up a bit
Apr 20 07:28:43 <ShadowJK> There's a trick that can make hspa run in "fast mode" all the time. The specifics varies between operator though, and it consumes enormous amounts of power :)
Apr 20 07:29:03 <DocScrutinizer> ping -f ?
Apr 20 07:29:37 <ShadowJK> ping -s x -i y
Apr 20 07:29:53 <dm8tbr> yup
Apr 20 07:30:06 <timoph> X-Fade: was there a date for the more techical obs meeting already?
Apr 20 07:30:12 <ShadowJK> there's a wiki with the x and y for .fi operators
Apr 20 07:30:19 <dm8tbr> it locks the power state of the WCDMA state machine
Apr 20 07:30:45 <ShadowJK> also, the x and y to trigger slow-fast transition are bigger than the x, y that will maintain fast :P
Apr 20 07:33:00 <Macer> zomg
Apr 20 07:33:44 <Macer> 400KB/s
Apr 20 07:34:40 <Macer> on a great day.. with no sunspots.... no cosmic rays.. earth's magnetic field at its best doing what it can to protect the planet from interference
Apr 20 07:34:46 <DocScrutinizer> well, that's quite normal for HSPA
Apr 20 07:34:47 <Macer> tmobile would give me 150K/s
Apr 20 07:34:55 <Macer> lol
Apr 20 07:35:16 <Macer> DocScrutinizer: i've never seen it with tmob 
Apr 20 07:35:41 <dm8tbr> it depends on what specification your NodeB supports
Apr 20 07:36:01 * RST38h moos, sacrifices a hamster
Apr 20 07:36:17 <Macer> too bad the n900 can't use att lte ;)
Apr 20 07:36:27 <Macer> doesn't matter anyways.. my sim would keep turning off :(
Apr 20 07:36:30 <Macer> poor n900
Apr 20 07:36:32 <Pali> DocScrutinizer, I pushed fixed version of updatedb to extras-devel
Apr 20 07:36:44 <DocScrutinizer> :-D
Apr 20 07:36:55 <Pali> I belive it will work now
Apr 20 07:37:36 <DocScrutinizer> well, it works for me
Apr 20 07:37:54 <Pali> ok
Apr 20 07:38:22 <Macer> chem|st: you really want this n900?
Apr 20 07:39:51 <Macer> i find it odd that att still uses mycingular
Apr 20 07:40:19 <Macer> mycingular.net
Apr 20 07:42:15 <Macer> well.. if someone actually wants this n900 it's theirs for $50 (plus shipping and levies)
Apr 20 07:42:29 <Macer> the sim card reader is failing tho
Apr 20 07:42:46 <Macer> one of you guys might be able to fix it but i think it's time to move on from maemo ;)
Apr 20 07:43:35 <SpeedEvil> Macer: :/
Apr 20 07:44:02 <SpeedEvil> Macer: I wish I had a compelling argument why that was a bad idea.
Apr 20 07:44:25 <Macer> hahaha... well.. after 2 n900s both with strange problems like usb ports falling off and sim readers dying 
Apr 20 07:44:38 <Macer> i think i'll take my changes with other hardware .. and this lumia 900 seems rather awesome
Apr 20 07:45:12 <Macer> kind of surprised at the windows phone 7.5 being so good ... although i do hate the ios method of push requests and background task killing
Apr 20 07:45:36 <Macer> not to mention there is no gtalk integration :(
Apr 20 08:06:50 <chem|st> Macer: not really, my sister wants an awesome phone and is now thinking about n9
Apr 20 08:07:07 <teotwaki> then get a free n9 from Nokia
Apr 20 08:07:12 <teotwaki> or a free n950.
Apr 20 08:07:34 <teotwaki> I think I've never seen so many replies to a single thread on the maemo mailing lists so quickly, in the last year.
Apr 20 08:08:15 <harbaum> how does one get a free n9?
Apr 20 08:10:35 <teotwaki> you promise to mister gil that you'll dev awesome apps
Apr 20 08:10:52 <timoph> harbaum: no so different from getting a free beer
Apr 20 08:11:34 * timoph missread
Apr 20 08:12:02 <timoph> read you said "how does it feel to get.." :)
Apr 20 08:12:14 <harbaum> Ah, i thought it was some kind of closing out sale
Apr 20 08:13:02 <timoph> anyway, qgim is arranging a device seeding thing for maemo/meego devs
Apr 20 08:13:40 <timoph> see http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2012-April/005134.html
Apr 20 08:14:55 * SpeedEvil sighs.
Apr 20 08:15:07 <SpeedEvil> JUST SELL THE FUCKING THINGS TO MOST MARKETS.
Apr 20 08:15:23 <timoph> the exact way to get the device is still discussed though.
Apr 20 08:15:26 <SpeedEvil> (not at all directed at qgim - who I assume is pretty much with me on this)
Apr 20 08:15:44 <timoph> I bet most of people are with you on that here :)
Apr 20 08:16:43 <SpeedEvil> I wish I could apply.
Apr 20 08:16:49 <SpeedEvil> But, in good concience, I can't.
Apr 20 08:17:28 <Sicelo> reason?
Apr 20 08:17:34 <timoph> yeah. I also already have both the devices too so better to let people with them apply
Apr 20 08:18:04 <RST38h> SpeedEvil: can't do.
Apr 20 08:18:17 <RST38h> SpeedEvil: Lumia has trouble selling as it is.
Apr 20 08:18:52 <SpeedEvil> Sicelo: Several reasons. Lack of actually doing productive stuff with the n950 - many of the potentially interesting apps I had in mind were precluded by aegis - in addition - lack of time for more or less anything.
Apr 20 08:19:03 <SpeedEvil> I wrote a couple of wiki page templates, then got stalled.
Apr 20 08:20:02 <DocScrutinizer> qgim? not qgil?
Apr 20 08:20:04 <SpeedEvil> I was copying timoph
Apr 20 08:20:10 <DocScrutinizer> or gquim?
Apr 20 08:20:32 <SpeedEvil> qgil indeed.
Apr 20 08:22:39 <SpeedEvil> And as a tertiary problem - the n950 is not quite the n9, so some of the hw stuff I was interested in that might not be precluded by aegis - may not be the same.
Apr 20 08:23:09 <RST38h> gvim
Apr 20 08:24:36 <timoph> yeah. a typo
Apr 20 09:55:44 <Sicelo> lulz.. modest seems to have a limit on the number of characters in an email
Apr 20 09:57:19 <chem|st> Sicelo: how many?
Apr 20 10:00:38 <Sicelo> not sure, but the latest digest (maemo-community) opened with a that error dialog.. 
Apr 20 10:01:42 <Sicelo> "Maximum number of characters reached"
Apr 20 10:02:00 <chem|st> SpeedEvil: dumping their ceo would be a start, announcing meego getting another 5 devices a followup... trying the backdoor of the community with another device seed of meego devices is just fail
Apr 20 10:02:02 * ShadowJK ponders if qgil could wave his magic wand and make some more N900s appear
Apr 20 10:03:35 <chem|st> ShadowJK: n950 as NIT and N9 as SMAPHO flagships for consumers and n900 as developer phone would be awesome
Apr 20 10:05:11 <chem|st> or even n960 ~n950 with CIR LTE NFC and all the other fancy stuff developers need to play with
Apr 20 10:07:02 <Sicelo> compaing with mutt, modest displayed only 59% of the digest
Apr 20 10:07:10 <Sicelo> *comparing
Apr 20 10:08:27 <DocScrutinizer> haha
Apr 20 10:08:36 <DocScrutinizer> now that's an epic fail
Apr 20 10:10:09 <DocScrutinizer> chem|st: (trying backdoor fail) +1
Apr 20 10:19:10 <chem|st> ShadowJK: for some reason NEW n900s are now sold on ebay again, wondering where they came from...
Apr 20 10:23:51 <ShadowJK> or N900i, N900 with upgraded ram and gigahurtz capable omap3
Apr 20 10:24:22 <DocScrutinizer> chem|st: I can't find new ones
Apr 20 10:26:13 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: few days ago for 250eur new
Apr 20 10:26:21 <chem|st> gone already^^
Apr 20 10:26:52 <chem|st> I were looking for prize comparison of used ones
Apr 20 10:27:09 <ShadowJK> I saw "new" from hongkong on ebay
Apr 20 10:28:23 <DocScrutinizer> which seems to be a fake as well
Apr 20 10:28:35 <r00t|home> i recently bought a like-new used n900 for 80eur on ebay... used ones generally sell for 100-200
Apr 20 10:28:38 <DocScrutinizer> "refurbished"
Apr 20 11:06:14 <vizzy> n900i ? 
Apr 20 11:06:34 <SpeedEvil> n900-imaginary
Apr 20 11:06:56 <SpeedEvil> 1GHzish processor, a gigabyte of RAM, and maybe a higher res screen.
Apr 20 11:07:45 <vizzy> aunt google gives zero results about this
Apr 20 11:07:54 * DocScrutinizer51 wonders about availability of matching spare omap3530 with POP
Apr 20 11:08:15 <SpeedEvil> I looked for the POP - and was utterly unable to source it
Apr 20 11:08:25 <SpeedEvil> I seem to remember finding a micron part that was 1GB
Apr 20 11:08:28 <SpeedEvil> - with no ROM
Apr 20 11:08:33 <SpeedEvil> I'm not sure that would boot
Apr 20 11:08:47 <SpeedEvil> Or would it require 'coldflash' to boot every time?
Apr 20 11:08:50 <SpeedEvil> - and SD
Apr 20 11:09:14 <DocScrutinizer51> I'd actually dare the rework, just for awesomness and shits'n'giggles
Apr 20 11:09:22 <SpeedEvil> Me too.
Apr 20 11:09:38 <SpeedEvil> I'd want a couple of spares to practice on.
Apr 20 11:09:49 <SpeedEvil> But POP'd broken stuff is easy to find
Apr 20 11:10:02 <DocScrutinizer51> aiui ROMBL looks for xloader on uSD
Apr 20 11:10:15 <DocScrutinizer51> ;)
Apr 20 11:10:19 <vizzy> n900i, imaginary, however, i cant find any infos about that
Apr 20 11:10:22 <SpeedEvil> yeah - but by default, in the actual configuration as shipped
Apr 20 11:10:29 <vizzy> if it exists, i want it :D
Apr 20 11:10:32 <SpeedEvil> vizzy: err - it doesn't exist.
Apr 20 11:10:36 <SpeedEvil> That's why it's imaginary
Apr 20 11:10:40 <vizzy> ah oh
Apr 20 11:10:46 <vizzy> i see :))
Apr 20 11:11:15 <vizzy> this morning i thought about an april fool, but 1st april is over, otherwise i would design and render a n901 , hehehe
Apr 20 11:11:22 <vizzy> or n900i
Apr 20 11:11:35 <vizzy> i will do next year, hehehehe 
Apr 20 11:11:49 <DocScrutinizer51> alas as jacekowski pointed at it would need a special xloader to make it boot from uSD
Apr 20 11:12:44 <DocScrutinizer51> and this needs signature
Apr 20 11:13:08 <DocScrutinizer51> so no flash is a nogo for POP
Apr 20 11:16:37 <lardman> Better to wait for an Android device and port over I'd imagine
Apr 20 11:16:51 <lardman> though I've not seen any devices with a kb for a while
Apr 20 11:19:50 <lardman> "port over" -> port Maemo over that is, to clarify
Apr 20 11:21:03 <chem|st> lardman: n950 available in shops would help...
Apr 20 11:21:23 <lardman> N950 isn't all that cutting edge though
Apr 20 11:21:34 <lardman> NFC would be good
Apr 20 11:21:40 <lardman> plus a faster processor
Apr 20 11:21:58 <chem|st> n9 with kbd^^
Apr 20 11:22:07 <lardman> Yep, that would work for me
Apr 20 11:22:18 <lardman> unfortunately kb seems to be on the out for phones
Apr 20 11:22:34 <lardman> and indeed for all personal computing devices (e.g. tablets)
Apr 20 11:23:28 <chem|st> well, n900 is the last NIT available in shops... I consider n9 to be a dump smartphone
Apr 20 11:23:54 <psycho_oreos> +1
Apr 20 11:24:02 <r00t|home> "dump"?
Apr 20 11:24:04 <lardman> I'm currently more keen on a dumb phone + a smart tablet, would be good if Nokia went back to their small scale internet tablet ways
Apr 20 11:24:07 <chem|st> b
Apr 20 11:24:18 <bindi> dumb and smart cancel eachother out!
Apr 20 11:24:22 <chem|st> well actually dump
Apr 20 11:24:24 <bindi> You consider the n9 to be a phone! amazing :D
Apr 20 11:24:26 <chem|st> and dumb
Apr 20 11:24:32 <chem|st> hehe
Apr 20 11:24:39 <lardman> bindi: it's that bad? I've never seen/used one
Apr 20 11:24:55 <bindi> huh, it's chem|st's opinion and not mine
Apr 20 11:25:01 <bindi> just making witty comments here
Apr 20 11:25:10 <lardman> ah sorry, more caffeine needed ;)
Apr 20 11:25:30 <chem|st> lardman: no you are right the "!" shows to be a statement
Apr 20 11:27:56 <chem|st> I need to win the lottery at 40Meur and start my own branch 
Apr 20 11:30:56 <chem|st> crowd funding would be another idea...
Apr 20 11:31:26 <lardman> yeah, like that pebble watch
Apr 20 11:31:39 <lardman> though I'm not sure how much demand there is, other than from other hackers
Apr 20 11:33:04 <vizzy> lardman, take a look at the openpandora project
Apr 20 11:33:44 <lardman> vizzy: do they have a new device in the offing?
Apr 20 11:34:44 <lardman> looks like it's still the same old one, ~same spec as the N900
Apr 20 11:35:08 <lardman> I was actually on the preorder list, but gave up in the end, only 2-odd years after delivery was initially scheduled ;)
Apr 20 11:36:27 <vizzy> lardman, same here
Apr 20 11:37:00 <vizzy> i canceled it, and there was another project, from always innovative from france, but they stopped developing and sold everything to big companies.... 
Apr 20 11:37:01 <lardman> I see they are moving production elsewhere, as it's now rather old hw they could do with an upgrade
Apr 20 11:37:08 <vizzy> i gues sthey get paid for not releasing it :))
Apr 20 11:37:13 <lardman> :)
Apr 20 11:37:31 <vizzy> lardman, yes, but thats the way to make own hardware. i wish there would be more such projects
Apr 20 11:37:38 * lardman thinks Android tablet with e.g. Mer ported is the way forward
Apr 20 11:37:38 <vizzy> lets win in the lottery!
Apr 20 11:37:46 <lardman> :)
Apr 20 11:37:58 * lardman heads to a meeting, back in a while
Apr 20 11:38:06 <vizzy> dito
Apr 20 11:38:26 <chem|st> lets hack the lottery... make those marbles robotic....
Apr 20 11:44:52 * lardman happens to have some small servo motors.....
Apr 20 11:46:46 * lardman ponders the incompatibility of (running code that looks nice on) all these front ends - Hildon, Nemo/Meego, N9x0, Plasma
Apr 20 11:47:02 <lardman> or indeed running code at all, depending on how old the platform is
Apr 20 11:49:58 <Macer> heh
Apr 20 11:50:05 <Macer> go with plasma
Apr 20 11:50:09 <Macer> it's the only one that has hope
Apr 20 11:50:10 <Macer> :)
Apr 20 11:50:23 <Macer> i have to get back to figuring out how to get mer/plasma on my transformer
Apr 20 11:50:44 <lardman> Assuming KDE can produce some touch friendly apps, last time I ran KDE (Ubuntu) on my Galaxy Tab is was awful, very hard to do anything at all
Apr 20 11:51:04 <Macer> i'm sure but
Apr 20 11:51:04 <lardman> Macer: the first transformer or the prime?
Apr 20 11:51:19 <Macer> i thought active was the cure to that
Apr 20 11:51:24 <Macer> the first one
Apr 20 11:51:33 <lardman> well perhaps, I've not run it on anything yet
Apr 20 11:51:54 <Macer> so far i really haven't done much other than figure out how to use the flashing program
Apr 20 11:52:01 <lardman> that should be quite straight forward, there are tegra2 images floating about, just needs some tweaking then I'd imagine
Apr 20 11:52:32 <Macer> http://vetus.scientiam.org/2012/02/17/the-removal-of-ad-droid-from-an-asus-transformer-in-progress/
Apr 20 11:52:36 <Macer> heh
Apr 20 11:52:53 <Macer> there are? :) well.. i honestly don't even know where to start
Apr 20 11:53:14 <lardman> hang on a tick
Apr 20 11:53:21 <Macer> like i said so far all i did was mess with the flasher a bit
Apr 20 11:53:33 <lardman> got to start somewhere ;)
Apr 20 11:53:40 <Macer> heh
Apr 20 11:53:54 <lardman> http://bug10738.openaos.org/images/tegra2/
Apr 20 11:53:56 <Macer> nto to mention asus has an awful bug in their ics kernel
Apr 20 11:54:04 <lardman> what's the bug?
Apr 20 11:54:17 <Macer> something gets messed up when it tries to wake up from sleep
Apr 20 11:54:22 <Macer> makes the kernel panic
Apr 20 11:54:23 <Macer> reboots
Apr 20 11:54:32 <Macer> then stays stuck at the splash screen with the circle 
Apr 20 11:54:39 <Macer> after the "persistent perfection" screen lol
Apr 20 11:54:41 <lardman> ah right, try lilstevie's kernel git repo, he was working on the transformer
Apr 20 11:54:45 <Macer> i thought that was ironic
Apr 20 11:54:49 <lardman> lol
Apr 20 11:55:05 <Macer> yeah i heard.. i still haven't even rooted this thing yet tho
Apr 20 11:55:47 <lardman> He may have put up some instructions, though he was usually too keen on doing the hacking to do much writing down of stuff ;)
Apr 20 11:55:56 <lardman> (sorry lilstevie! :))
Apr 20 11:56:03 <Macer> lol
Apr 20 11:56:48 <lardman> that link doesn't have any kernels though, so you'll need to dig one up somewhere, probably roll your own from the released kernel source, changing the root (?) option on the kernel cmdline to point to the uSD slot
Apr 20 11:57:02 <lardman> the link has the images that you place on a uSD card and then off you go
Apr 20 11:57:07 <lardman> touching wood firmly ;)
Apr 20 11:58:05 <Macer> heh
Apr 20 11:58:05 <lardman> Tegra2 solves the driver problems, which is good, but there are probably outstanding issues - no modem and gps I imagine as they are usually linked
Apr 20 11:58:23 <Macer> i don't have a modem transformer
Apr 20 11:58:30 * lardman wonders whether to spend the time messing about with this kernel driver or just buy a tablet which has working opengl
Apr 20 11:58:31 <Macer> so that's not a big deal.. plus the modem and gps are always screwed
Apr 20 11:58:42 <lardman> Macer: that's probably good news
Apr 20 11:58:54 <Macer> i'm sure the cams probably don't work either :-P
Apr 20 11:58:59 <Macer> it's the n900 all over again lol
Apr 20 11:59:04 <lardman> would be nice to be able to use the gps (and modem if present), otherwise it's not that useful once you[ve got it all workjing
Apr 20 11:59:08 <lardman> lol
Apr 20 11:59:25 <Macer> yeah sure wouldn't be
Apr 20 11:59:32 <Macer> but they are usually very protective of that modem :)
Apr 20 11:59:46 <Macer> they don't want people phreaking phone calls old school style
Apr 20 11:59:56 * RST38h moos at lardman
Apr 20 12:00:07 <jonwil> what device are we talking about here?
Apr 20 12:00:09 <lardman> yeah, though you only need to talk to it using e.g. AT commands, or at least I'd hope that would be the way it works in the end
Apr 20 12:00:15 <RST38h> lardman: how are things? porting meego/maemo/etc to something?
Apr 20 12:00:38 <lardman> RST38h: thinking about getting back to the Samsung Galaxy Tab port - lost impetus when Meego went TU
Apr 20 12:01:01 <lardman> hold those thoughts, bbiab, have to go and show someone how to C-scan
Apr 20 12:01:10 <RST38h> lardman: goood idea
Apr 20 12:03:02 <Macer> heh
Apr 20 12:03:06 <Macer> well this lumia phone is intereting
Apr 20 12:03:14 <Macer> although like an iphone you're stuck in MS' zune app :)
Apr 20 12:23:38 <RST38h> Ordinary shell landed; continued disgorging mice for three hours. Total number uncounted due to mouse overlap.
Apr 20 12:33:37 <vdv> how can i start scratchbox in maemo sdk?
Apr 20 12:35:27 <vdv> scratchbox/login
Apr 20 12:35:30 <vdv> found it
Apr 20 12:57:14 <[DarkGUNMAN]> Quick question - is it possible to check if a process is trying to access network/internet?
Apr 20 12:58:15 <[DarkGUNMAN]> After 8am my N900 tries to connect to any service it can find
Apr 20 13:02:05 <flux> I suppose that would appear as dbus activity, simply trying to send a packet won't try to open a connection
Apr 20 13:02:16 <flux> so, dbus-monitor
Apr 20 13:26:59 <lardman> re
Apr 20 13:27:23 <SpeedEvil> hey
Apr 20 13:31:31 <lardman> hi SpeedEvil 
Apr 20 13:32:45 <lardman> [DarkGUNMAN]: not sure as the network access is done through the closed Nokia libs
Apr 20 13:33:02 <lardman> but perhaps someone will pipe up
Apr 20 13:59:44 <jonwil> [DarkGUNMAN] are you talking about cellular data or about WiFi or about connectivity in general?
Apr 20 14:00:40 <[DarkGUNMAN]> Any connection
Apr 20 14:00:57 <[DarkGUNMAN]> I have it set to prompt me which connection to use
Apr 20 14:01:48 <[DarkGUNMAN]> So for a good while, it pops up every few minutes asking for a wifi or cellular connection
Apr 20 14:02:14 <jonwil> The most likely thing is that some component (no clue what) would be asking the internet connectivity daemon (ICD) to connect. And that request is done over dbus.
Apr 20 14:02:25 <jonwil> Thats my best guess of whats happening
Apr 20 14:03:46 <jonwil> The best way to find out more would be to use dbus-monitor to monitor all the dbus traffic at the time the requests are happening
Apr 20 14:04:18 <[DarkGUNMAN]> Thank you all for your answers, it has been very helpful
Apr 20 14:04:37 <[DarkGUNMAN]> I'll run dbus-monitor tomorrow morning
Apr 20 14:04:54 <[DarkGUNMAN]> When it's likely to happen again
Apr 20 15:24:34 <Macer> wow
Apr 20 15:25:08 <Macer> win phone dodsnt let 3rd party apps run in the background like ios
Apr 20 15:25:13 <Macer> that sucks
Apr 20 15:25:41 <Sicelo> you didn't know?
Apr 20 15:26:02 <Macer> well. have to give maemo +1 on that one
Apr 20 15:26:15 <Macer> heh. no but it isnt a dealbreaker
Apr 20 15:26:23 <Macer> it only affected me with ssh
Apr 20 15:26:45 <Macer> but that is what tmux is for
Apr 20 15:26:51 <Macer> :)
Apr 20 15:27:15 <Macer> just set up tmux to detatch/attach in bashrc
Apr 20 15:27:51 <Macer> the est of the stuff i can deal without. as long as my gtalk works
Apr 20 15:28:15 <Sicelo> good luck :)
Apr 20 15:29:11 <Sicelo> i think i'd rather 'suffer' with an N9 instead, should my N900 die, and should I fail to get another one in good condition :)
Apr 20 15:30:23 <Macer> heh
Apr 20 15:30:27 <Macer> well.. my n900 broke
Apr 20 15:30:37 <Macer> but it's not too bad.. like i said... ssh was the only one driving me nuts
Apr 20 15:30:58 <Macer> but just reconnecting with tmux automatically reattaching solved that problem
Apr 20 15:31:18 <Macer> i just wanted to make sure that would work before i actually paid for the ssh app.. since there doesn't seem to be a free one unfortunately
Apr 20 15:31:26 <Macer> kitty for winphone 7.5? :)
Apr 20 15:33:43 <kerio> Sicelo: when my N900 finally dies, i'll just buy another
Apr 20 15:34:54 <Sicelo> what is "another"?
Apr 20 15:35:13 <kerio> another n900, that is
Apr 20 15:36:00 <Sicelo> same here.. but if i really cant find one ... <quote>should my N900 die, and should I fail to get another one in good condition</quote>
Apr 20 15:38:56 <infobot> DocScrutinizer: infobot joined!
Apr 20 15:43:35 <Macer> damb
Apr 20 15:44:07 <Macer> this win phone ssh ient is actually pretty good once you get used to it
Apr 20 15:44:13 <Macer> client
Apr 20 15:44:22 <Macer> still working on the kb
Apr 20 15:57:38 <Vampir3> hi
Apr 20 15:58:48 <Vampir3> i install maemo SDK in fedora, first tume its run, but after first time always i see a black screen
Apr 20 15:59:07 <Vampir3> can anyone help me? :-?
Apr 20 16:04:17 <Vampir3> no one? :-(
Apr 20 16:04:34 <mgedmin> probably
Apr 20 16:04:43 <mgedmin> when I hear "maemo SDK", I think 'scratchbox'
Apr 20 16:04:47 <mgedmin> and it's all terminal apps
Apr 20 16:04:56 <mgedmin> how can a terminal app cause a black screen?
Apr 20 16:05:22 <Vampir3> it run with this code : Xephyr :2 -host-cursor -screen 800x480x16 -dpi 96 -ac &
Apr 20 16:05:32 <Vampir3> after first time i run this
Apr 20 16:06:26 <Vampir3> For the first time, it gives me a peek at the Nokia applications. It  showcases the complete UI framework
Apr 20 16:06:30 * mgedmin never used the Xephyr GUI bits
Apr 20 16:06:30 <Vampir3> but after that
Apr 20 16:07:12 <Vampir3> so??
Apr 20 16:07:17 <Vampir3> what can i do?
Apr 20 16:09:41 <Vampir3> ...
Apr 20 16:30:28 * lardman curses pci
Apr 20 16:36:05 <lardman> does one need to pause after writing into a PCI card's address space, e.g. to let the card perform whatever action you want
Apr 20 16:36:09 <lardman> slightly OT I realise
Apr 20 17:02:50 <ruskie> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/04/20/nokia_loses_ipcom_court_case/ <-- hmm
Apr 20 17:06:11 * mgedmin read that as 'nokia lorem ipsum court case' and assumed some IP troll managed to copyright the lorem ipsum text
Apr 20 17:10:02 <DocScrutinizer51> lol
Apr 20 17:11:33 <DocScrutinizer51> lardman: wait with *what*?
Apr 20 17:12:00 <lardman> dunno, busy loop
Apr 20 17:12:42 <DocScrutinizer51> with next r/w to same PCI card: quite possibly. If there's not a status register to read out any time and poll for end of prev transaction
Apr 20 17:12:56 <Macer> still customizing this ssh client
Apr 20 17:12:58 <Macer> blah
Apr 20 17:13:09 <Macer> getting there tho :)
Apr 20 17:13:32 <lardman> DocScrutinizer51: I'm actually having troubles writing to the status register, which gives status when read and should switch power on when written to
Apr 20 17:13:35 <DocScrutinizer51> lardman: not BY what, WITH what
Apr 20 17:13:39 <lardman> no errors, etc., but no power either
Apr 20 17:13:53 <lardman> comedi kernel driver
Apr 20 17:14:35 <DocScrutinizer51> power-up will for sure need $random time to complete
Apr 20 17:15:53 <lardman> I'm wondering if the card generates an error if I try to write a value to one of the output addresses before it's had time to power up
Apr 20 17:16:20 <lardman> though I don't get error codes, and I don't get a powered up status either
Apr 20 17:16:22 <lardman> very odd
Apr 20 17:16:42 <DocScrutinizer51> I guess a propeer DataSheet will tell sth along 'read status until power-good bit set'
Apr 20 17:16:57 <lardman> yeah this is not quite proper, just a Word doc
Apr 20 17:17:39 <DocScrutinizer51> nfc if PCI supports power on/off anyway
Apr 20 17:18:00 <lardman> ah no this is power on/off of the output the card produces
Apr 20 17:18:23 <lardman> so it should just be a simple operation that one would carry out by writing to some memory offset
Apr 20 17:18:45 <lardman> it's a high voltage DAC card
Apr 20 17:21:57 <DocScrutinizer51> mhm
Apr 20 17:22:02 <lardman> On another tack, is the GPS chipset in the N950 the same as that in the N9?
Apr 20 17:22:20 <DocScrutinizer51> so yes, this will take some time to establish
Apr 20 17:22:27 <lardman> nm Doc, I'll email the company and ask some more questions, or decompile their Windows dll
Apr 20 17:23:17 <DocScrutinizer51> lardman: GPS: I dunno offhand, will look up when at home
Apr 20 17:23:30 <lardman> Cool thanks, will head online when I get back
Apr 20 17:23:47 <lardman> speaking of which, far to late to be at work on a Friday afternoon, catch you all later
Apr 20 17:23:57 <DocScrutinizer51> but why would you wanna know? the chip in N900 isn't directly accessable
Apr 20 17:24:06 <lardman|gone> Not N900
Apr 20 17:24:24 <DocScrutinizer51> aaah, sorry
Apr 20 17:24:27 <DocScrutinizer51> dunno
Apr 20 17:24:57 <lardman|gone> The Samsung Galaxy Player has a Broadcom bcm4751 which is apparently the same as the N9, I was just curious about the N950.
Apr 20 17:25:02 <DocScrutinizer51> I'd assume it's same
Apr 20 17:25:22 <lardman|gone> I'm ever hopeful I can use the N9 firmware and kernel driver to drive the chip, which would be nice
Apr 20 17:25:45 <lardman|gone> not sure if it needs a firmware upload, will need to do some research on how they work
Apr 20 17:26:05 <DocScrutinizer51> the kernel driver probably I2C plain vanilla
Apr 20 17:26:21 <lardman|gone> I seem to remember it implemented a protocol over the link
Apr 20 17:26:27 <DocScrutinizer51> rest done in a lib blob
Apr 20 17:26:33 <lardman|gone> but the other end of that is probably closed
Apr 20 17:26:34 <lardman|gone> yep
Apr 20 17:26:43 <lardman|gone> ah well, something to think about while I drive home
Apr 20 17:26:45 <lardman|gone> bye!
Apr 20 17:26:52 <DocScrutinizer51> o/
Apr 20 17:30:56 <Macer> damn
Apr 20 17:31:13 <Macer> my su8w wont work with this damn windows phone
Apr 20 17:31:15 <Macer> lame
Apr 20 17:32:39 <Macer> damnit
Apr 20 17:32:56 <Macer> pasting wont work either. i need to figure that out
Apr 20 17:33:08 <ThreeM> su8w?
Apr 20 17:52:22 <DocScrutinizer> bt-kbd
Apr 20 18:00:25 <Macer> DocScrutinizer: to this day.... my n95 was the only thing it ever worked with years ago :)
Apr 20 18:00:35 <Macer> i managed to get it to work well with my n900 but not all the buttons worked
Apr 20 18:00:40 <Macer> i never did figure out how to map the special keys on it
Apr 20 18:00:50 <Macer> like the email key to open the email app
Apr 20 18:02:46 <kaizerslawten> HELLO GUYS , I'M BRAZILIAN :d
Apr 20 18:02:54 <kaizerslawten> :D
Apr 20 18:03:48 <Sicelo> nice, heh
Apr 20 18:05:51 <kaizerslawten> I'M USER OF ALTERNATIVE OS MER 
Apr 20 18:06:10 <jacekowski> caps
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Apr 20 19:13:56 <Sicelo> hmm, can someone please see if they have this line in their /etc/sudoers 
Apr 20 19:13:59 <Sicelo> user ALL = NOPASSWD: ALL
Apr 20 20:15:02 <esaym153> is there any native unionfs on the n810?
Apr 20 20:21:10 <SpeedEvil> https://www.google.ca/finance?client=ob&q=NYSE:NOK - all-time low today - 3.69
Apr 20 20:22:13 <SpeedEvil> Last at this price in Jan 97.
Apr 20 20:26:18 <DocScrutinizer> Sicelo: for sure not
Apr 20 20:28:31 <RzR> SpeedEvil, this pretty high if you compare it ,to let say ... next year... or next week
Apr 20 20:29:38 * SpeedEvil googles 'how to short stock'
Apr 20 20:29:59 * RST38h reads it as "how to snort stock", ponders
Apr 20 20:30:27 <SpeedEvil> 1) Take OXO cube
Apr 20 20:30:28 <DocScrutinizer> wow a snort shock
Apr 20 20:31:37 <Sicelo> DocScrutinizer: thanks. /me heads to see where that comes from.. that's possibly why forcing `root` to request password doesn't work, even though it worked a long while ago
Apr 20 20:32:09 * RST38h lost cell data connectivity today for some reason
Apr 20 20:32:16 <RST38h> Anyone experienced similar problem?
Apr 20 20:32:38 <SpeedEvil> RST38h: n9?
Apr 20 20:33:39 <RST38h> Speed:N900
Apr 20 20:33:43 <RST38h> It is back up though
Apr 20 20:34:00 <RST38h> Dunno wth was wrong, even tried rebooting twice. Maybe it was simply low on battery.
Apr 20 20:35:48 <Sicelo> DocScrutinizer: you have Easy Debian by any chance?
Apr 20 20:35:49 <SpeedEvil> ah
Apr 20 20:35:56 <SpeedEvil> Look at syslog
Apr 20 20:35:58 <SpeedEvil> or dmesg
Apr 20 20:36:04 <SpeedEvil> see if you have SIM error
Apr 20 20:36:27 <RST38h> no voice calls work
Apr 20 20:36:31 <SpeedEvil> ah
Apr 20 20:36:41 <SpeedEvil> It did that once here too
Apr 20 20:36:50 <SpeedEvil> could also be problems at the cell side
Apr 20 20:37:04 <SpeedEvil> Another option is to toggle airplane mode
Apr 20 20:44:40 <DocScrutinizer> BTS fsckdup
Apr 20 20:45:08 <DocScrutinizer> not really that uncommon
Apr 20 20:45:57 <DocScrutinizer> or yu got the simfuckus
Apr 20 20:46:09 <DocScrutinizer> like macer 3 days ago
Apr 20 20:47:09 <DocScrutinizer> scientific name fuckupus cmtus
Apr 20 20:49:47 <DocScrutinizer> RST38h: btw low battery is a perfect explanation though, the cmt will fail way earlier then SoC
Apr 20 20:49:51 <DocScrutinizer> than*
Apr 20 21:36:48 <Addison> Greetings everyone.  :o)
Apr 20 21:52:02 <szopeen> yo addi
Apr 20 21:53:16 <Addison> Hiya chief!
Apr 20 21:53:24 <Addison> How are you?  :o)
Apr 20 21:54:23 <szopeen> good, though gonna spend friday evening on ghhhkhbuntu 12.04 boot-trying, so prolly makes me foreveralone.jpg
Apr 20 21:55:23 <szopeen> how about yourself?
Apr 20 21:55:50 <Addison> I'm doing great.  Thanks for asking.  :o)
Apr 20 21:57:49 <szopeen> you getting my /msgs?
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