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Apr 24 07:54:43 <RST38h> Moo all
Apr 24 07:55:18 <Termana> RST38h, morning
Apr 24 08:08:04 <LaoLang_cool_> How to configure xterm to use another shell? busybox is too suck on the supporting of multibyte charactor
Apr 24 08:17:31 <wesk77> LaoLang_cool_: when you install the bash package you can set it to default with bash-setup
Apr 24 08:33:01 <LaoLang_cool_> wesk77: hmm, I will try, thank you
Apr 24 08:34:04 <LaoLang_cool_> wesk77: I can't find the cmd bash-setup...
Apr 24 08:34:08 <LaoLang_cool_> apt-get install bash
Apr 24 08:37:29 <LaoLang_cool_> When I run chsh, and try to set /bin/bash, it says /bin/bash is an invalid shell.
Apr 24 08:40:35 <wesk77> is the bin actually at /bin/bash ? there're 3 bash packages, with version 2, 3 and 4. bash4 provides the bin at /bin/bash4, maybe it's the same with version 2, i don't know. look through your /bin
Apr 24 08:41:52 <LaoLang_cool_> wesk77: It's there at /bin/bash, now I get it work by modifying the string at /etc/passwd for user
Apr 24 08:42:09 <LaoLang_cool_> what's the difference among bash, bash3, and bash4?
Apr 24 08:42:14 <LaoLang_cool_> Too confused by the name
Apr 24 08:43:57 <wesk77> well, there's always stuff added to be used in bash scripts
Apr 24 08:44:02 <LaoLang_cool_> oh, there're four versoin, bash, bash2, bash3, and bash4!....
Apr 24 08:44:38 <wesk77> really? i only see bash, bash3 and bash4
Apr 24 08:45:02 <LaoLang_cool_> Which one is recommended? http://maemo.org/packages/search/?org_maemo_packages_search%5B1%5D%5Bproperty%5D=name&org_maemo_packages_search%5B1%5D%5Bconstraint%5D=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search%5B1%5D%5Bvalue%5D=bash&org_maemo_packages_search%5B2%5D%5Bproperty%5D=title&org_maemo_packages_search%5B2%5D%5Bconstraint%5D=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search%5B2%5D%5Bvalue%5D=same
Apr 24 08:45:20 <LaoLang_cool_> http://maemo.org/packages/view/bash2/
Apr 24 08:45:40 <LaoLang_cool_> Diablo? Maybe it's for N850..
Apr 24 08:46:26 <wesk77> i use bash3 on the n900 and bash4 on my desktop
Apr 24 08:46:51 <LaoLang_cool_> wesk77: what's the difference among them?
Apr 24 08:48:48 <wesk77> http://tiswww.case.edu/php/chet/bash/CHANGES ;)
Apr 24 08:51:12 <LaoLang_cool_> wow...
Apr 24 08:51:52 <LaoLang_cool_> for an interactive shell, I think bash is enough :)
Apr 24 08:52:32 <wesk77> probably yes, heh
Apr 24 09:14:53 <LaoLang_cool_> I installed busybox-power finally :)
Apr 24 10:28:48 <narcos> Hi all.
Apr 24 10:30:32 <narcos> I'm following the guide http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=71069 to try compile a new power-kernel (I require bridging support)
Apr 24 10:31:58 <narcos> I got to Step 2 "sb-conf setup MaemoKernel" last night, but after logging out and logging back in it seems I can't find packages - e.g. "fakeroot apt-get install kernel-power-source" returns no package found, despite having adding the repos to sources.list previously
Apr 24 10:39:37 <narcos> I'd appreciate any advise on what I'm doing wrong - http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=ipPvACCF
Apr 24 10:39:51 <narcos> I seem to be stuck in a loop resolving depedencies
Apr 24 10:41:18 <narcos> I try install sources with "fakeroot apt-get install kernel-power-source" but get told there are dependency issues and I should run "apt-get -f install", but that gives an error about arch, so I add in the arch type "fakeroot apt-get -o APT::Architecture=armel -f install", and try to install kernel sources again, but have the same dependency issue
Apr 24 11:13:34 <chem|st_> even switched off device refuses to export MyDocs to usb (switched off I do not get the SD card exported as well)...
Apr 24 11:13:39 <chem|st_> any ideas?
Apr 24 13:21:06 <Raimu> Is there a quick way to make a n900 to sound out terminal bells?
Apr 24 13:23:17 <SpeedEvil> #!/bin/sh
Apr 24 13:23:17 <SpeedEvil> play-sound /usr/share/sounds/game-chess_checkmate.wav 
Apr 24 13:23:34 <SpeedEvil> - I don't know of a way to do what you want though
Apr 24 13:23:45 <Raimu> Well, thanks for the idea, though.
Apr 24 14:15:34 <villager> narcos: you've probably seriously broken your scratchbox, perhaps you've used "-o APT::Architecture" or something, you should never do that
Apr 24 14:18:54 <villager> narcos: scratchbox has its own way of switching between architectures (sb-menu, for example), don't try other ways, or things *will* break
Apr 24 14:25:04 <villager> narcos: though I suppose if you *have* to work around a broken rootstrap or something, then you also need the "-o APT::Architecture" in the "install kernel-power-source" step, I think
Apr 24 15:27:29 <BCMM> is there any way to turn the n900's screen off, but continue to use VNC? (usually, when power saving kicks in, the VNC screen goes black)
Apr 24 15:37:46 <narcos> villager: Thanks for the tips. Could you recommend a tutorial that would guide me through compiling a power kernel?
Apr 24 15:37:49 <narcos> (or anyone else)
Apr 24 15:38:34 <narcos> villager: I was following http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=71069, which links to http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/Maemo_5_SDK_installation_for_beginners for the env setup
Apr 24 15:38:49 <narcos> My end goal is to have bridge support in the power-kernel
Apr 24 15:41:41 <villager> narcos: well I haven't tried that particular scratchbox configuration, just the regular sdk configurations
Apr 24 15:42:11 <villager> narcos: but I assumed that it would be similar to the standard armel target
Apr 24 15:42:37 <villager> narcos: the rootstrap installation succeeded, right?
Apr 24 16:51:21 <vdv> somebody knows where i can get gtkhtml version > 4.0 ?
Apr 24 16:51:33 <vdv> for maemo5
Apr 24 17:26:23 <RST38h> Meanwhile:Samsung TVs Can Be Hacked Into Endless Restart Loop
Apr 24 18:04:01 <freemangordon> ping Pali
Apr 24 18:06:15 <vdv> anyone from modest cssu supporters here? how you built it? 
Apr 24 18:06:35 <freemangordon> dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot
Apr 24 18:06:46 <freemangordon> in SB
Apr 24 18:07:39 <vdv> how it finds tinymail?
Apr 24 18:07:52 <vdv> repository doesn't contain sources http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/modest/commits/master
Apr 24 18:07:56 <freemangordon> install it from CSSU repo
Apr 24 18:08:24 <Pali> pong, freemangordon
Apr 24 18:08:33 <freemangordon> hi Pali
Apr 24 18:08:44 <freemangordon> u-boot -110 errors seems gone :)
Apr 24 18:09:02 <Pali> kernel or u-boot problem/patch ?
Apr 24 18:09:26 <vdv> freemangordon, i want get it compiled
Apr 24 18:09:36 <freemangordon> well, both. We already know that meego/nemo kernels need dto patch
Apr 24 18:09:53 <freemangordon> vdv, it is on gitorious
Apr 24 18:10:15 <vdv> freemangordon, tinymail?
Apr 24 18:10:19 <Pali> I read that problem is not only on n900, but also on beagle (and other TI) boards
Apr 24 18:10:20 <freemangordon> Pali, but there is some other bug triggered by enabling eMMC in u-boot
Apr 24 18:10:36 <freemangordon> those are different problems
Apr 24 18:11:03 <freemangordon> BB problem is -110 from the card you are booting from
Apr 24 18:11:17 <freemangordon> n900 problem is -110 wfrom BOTH cards :)
Apr 24 18:11:39 <freemangordon> -110 from external card is solved by applying DTO=14 patch
Apr 24 18:11:50 <freemangordon> and some other patches
Apr 24 18:12:32 <Pali> then patches should go to upstream
Apr 24 18:12:32 <freemangordon> but on n900 we sill have mmcblk1 (eMMC) -110, which is solved (as POC) by not enabling eMMC in u-boot
Apr 24 18:12:43 <freemangordon> Pali, I think they are upstream
Apr 24 18:12:47 <Pali> ok
Apr 24 18:12:57 <freemangordon> wel, now for u-boot
Apr 24 18:13:47 <freemangordon> I want your help on - how to disable eMMC(RES_VAUX3,RES_VSIM,RES_VMMC1) just before booting kernel
Apr 24 18:13:57 <freemangordon> ?
Apr 24 18:14:13 <Pali> freemangordon, in u-boot rx51.c is function after /* enable i2c access po powerbus */
Apr 24 18:14:22 <Pali> twl4030_i2c_write_u8
Apr 24 18:14:44 <Pali> maybe reverting params for that function after all twl4030_regulator_set_mode calls can fix problem
Apr 24 18:14:58 <freemangordon> I searched through u-boot code, but cannot find any way to execute board specific code before booting the kernl
Apr 24 18:15:14 <Pali> I will try to find some way
Apr 24 18:15:33 <freemangordon> Pali, my idea is soething different
Apr 24 18:15:52 <Pali> arch/arm/lib/bootm.c
Apr 24 18:16:01 <freemangordon> lets leave that code as it is, just find the way to disable tose just before booting kernel
Apr 24 18:16:03 <Pali> funcion bootm_linux_fdt
Apr 24 18:16:11 <Pali> this is called when booting kernel
Apr 24 18:16:29 <freemangordon> let me check
Apr 24 18:17:04 <Pali> and also do_bootm_linux
Apr 24 18:18:07 <Pali> not funcion bootm_linux_fdt but do_bootm_linux
Apr 24 18:18:21 <freemangordon> most probably announce_and_cleanup
Apr 24 18:18:36 <freemangordon> or even cleanup_before_linux
Apr 24 18:19:18 <freemangordon> anyway, i would propose another "weak" function here, something called "misc_init_r"
Apr 24 18:19:27 <freemangordon> oops, misc_fini_r
Apr 24 18:19:44 <freemangordon> again, with weak linkage (the same as misc_init_r)
Apr 24 18:20:07 <freemangordon> so we can disable/cleanup whatever we need just before boot
Apr 24 18:20:19 <freemangordon> what do you think?
Apr 24 18:20:50 <Pali> better ask on #u-boot channel
Apr 24 18:21:01 <freemangordon> me?
Apr 24 18:21:04 <freemangordon> :)
Apr 24 18:21:06 <Pali> I do not want to add something which will be rejected on upstream
Apr 24 18:21:29 <freemangordon> why do you think it will be rejected, it is just another amty function
Apr 24 18:21:29 <Pali> I rewritten some parts of patch series due to upstreaming problems
Apr 24 18:21:52 <freemangordon> vdv, here http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/tinymail
Apr 24 18:22:18 <Pali> maybe there is some function which is called before booting
Apr 24 18:22:34 <freemangordon> maybe, but I just cannot find it
Apr 24 18:22:43 <vdv> freemangordon, oh thanks
Apr 24 18:22:45 <freemangordon> ok, lets move to #u-boot
Apr 24 18:23:13 <vdv> freemangordon, what's the difference with https://gitorious.org/~naikel/community-ssu/naikel-tinymail-cssu ?
Apr 24 18:23:48 <freemangordon> vdv, NFC
Apr 24 18:23:53 <vdv> ah, it's just personal clone von naikel
Apr 24 18:24:05 <freemangordon> Pali, anyone on u-boot I should try to contact?
Apr 24 18:24:41 <Pali> no idea about correct person
Apr 24 18:24:46 <freemangordon> ok
Apr 24 18:26:58 <vdv> freemangordon, do you know maybe, whether i should build with "./autogen.sh --with-platform=maemo --with-toolkit=hildon2" ?
Apr 24 18:27:08 <vdv> both tinymail and modest
Apr 24 18:27:57 <freemangordon> vdv, look at debian/riles
Apr 24 18:28:10 <freemangordon> but the best option is dpkg-buildpackage
Apr 24 18:28:37 <freemangordon> vdv, out of curiosity, what are you trying to achieve
Apr 24 18:28:51 <freemangordon> fix some bug or what?
Apr 24 18:29:50 <vdv> fist, understand the code
Apr 24 18:30:12 <vdv> and then try to make it better :)
Apr 24 18:36:29 <freemangordon> WOW
Apr 24 18:36:33 <freemangordon> good luck
Apr 24 18:37:04 <freemangordon> Pali, something to add on #u-boot?
Apr 24 18:37:44 <jatt> my battery discharges very fast makes sense to buy a new one?
Apr 24 18:37:48 <Pali> not flash but eMMC
Apr 24 18:38:03 <freemangordon> yeah :)
Apr 24 18:38:06 <freemangordon> whatever
Apr 24 18:38:21 <freemangordon> correct me on #u-boot :P
Apr 24 18:44:47 <vdv> which command starts app inside of xephyr?
Apr 24 18:48:22 <vdv> af-sb-init.sh?
Apr 24 18:56:08 <vdv> jatt, i'd rather buy a new device
Apr 24 19:09:14 <narcos> Hi all. I have a modified N900 which comes with powerkernel 40. I want to have bridge support in the kernel, so I can use tools like brctl
Apr 24 19:10:05 <narcos> I notice (i) that /proc/modules exists, so the kernel has module support, and (ii) a line in this file "bridgedriver 156908 1 - Live 0xbf204000" <- do you know if this is what I'm looking for, or what this module is for, or how I can figure out what it's for?
Apr 24 19:16:01 <narcos> Ah, I've learned that the contents of that file are currently loaded modules (akin to lsmod).
Apr 24 19:16:09 <narcos> So, that bridgedriver module is already loadeda
Apr 24 19:16:13 <narcos> *loaded
Apr 24 19:16:29 <narcos> and given that brctl doesn't work, I assume that is not the bridge module I want
Apr 24 19:22:18 <TTilus> ive got x2x working between n900 and my desktop and cursor visible
Apr 24 19:22:32 <TTilus> x clipboard does not seem to work
Apr 24 19:33:40 <TTilus> how do i copy/paste text between n900 and desktop?
Apr 24 19:36:08 <merlin1991> vdv: af-sb-init start startes the whole ui simulation
Apr 24 19:36:28 <merlin1991> to just start and app in xephyr  "export DISPLAY=:2" and run it
Apr 24 19:36:33 <merlin1991> s/and/an/
Apr 24 19:36:33 <infobot> merlin1991 meant: to just start an app in xephyr  "export DISPLAY=:2" and run it
Apr 24 20:05:10 <vdv> merlin1991, thanks
Apr 24 20:20:24 <freemangordon> Pali, after all it seems we should fix the kernels :D. Or not, it is really much easier to do a patch in debian/patches with the hook in question, and to disable eMMC before boot
Apr 24 20:24:21 <Pali> freemangordon, do you have kernel patches which fix all problems?
Apr 24 20:24:34 <Pali> if no then some maemo u-boot patches will be needed
Apr 24 20:24:56 <Pali> but it is not too easy to maintain u-boot patches out of tree
Apr 24 20:25:24 <freemangordon> Pali, I don't have a patch for "eMMC" problem. I will try to find one when have a time
Apr 24 20:25:35 <Pali> ok
Apr 24 20:26:12 <Pali> maybe comparing omap hs mmc driver in 2.6.28 and 2.6.37+ will help
Apr 24 20:26:24 <Pali> or looking into twl4030 regulator driver
Apr 24 20:51:26 <MrPingu> hello
Apr 24 20:53:24 <MrPingu> Does dbus-monitor not show all dbus events? I mean I don't see keyboard open/close showing up in "dbus-monitor"
Apr 24 20:53:55 <MrPingu> I think it should show up as in dbus-scripts it's listed as event...
Apr 24 20:59:10 <jacekowski> some are system events some are user events
Apr 24 20:59:35 <MrPingu> Ah I see, how to see "them" all?
Apr 24 21:01:38 <MrPingu> I am trying to load dsp profile on opening lenscover, as I like to only overclock when I want HD recording and back to normal on lenscover close ;)
Apr 24 21:30:20 <narcos> I'd like to compile some extra modules for the power-kernel
Apr 24 21:30:25 <narcos> I'm following this guide - http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=71069
Apr 24 21:30:32 <narcos> But I get errors along the way
Apr 24 21:30:38 <narcos> Could anyone recommend another tutorial?
Apr 24 21:31:30 <narcos> Or, let me tell you about the error. After adding the following two entries to /etc/apt/sources.list :
Apr 24 21:31:32 <narcos> deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ fremantle free non-free
Apr 24 21:31:32 <narcos> deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ fremantle free
Apr 24 21:31:33 <narcos>  
Apr 24 21:32:05 <narcos> I do a "fakeroot apt-get update" which results in the error:
Apr 24 21:32:07 <narcos>  
Apr 24 21:32:08 <narcos> W: GPG error: http://repository.maemo.org fremantle Release: Couldn't access keyring: 'No such file or directory'
Apr 24 21:32:08 <narcos> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
Apr 24 21:32:09 <narcos>  
Apr 24 21:33:59 <narcos> Any ideas?
Apr 24 22:10:23 <narcos> Quiet channel this, for the number of occupants.
Apr 24 22:33:08 <SpeedEvil> narcos: We're all mostly lurking here in the vain hope that nokia will release more Maemo - or related handsets.
Apr 24 22:33:21 <SpeedEvil> Or to talk about other handsets that may be comparable.
Apr 24 22:33:25 <SpeedEvil> (none)
Apr 24 22:56:24 <narcos> SpeedEvil: heh, gotcha
Apr 25 01:00:37 <r00t|home> narcos: like, run under strace to see which file it's missing?
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