**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Apr 26 03:00:00 2012
Apr 26 08:01:52 <Macer> heh
Apr 26 08:02:13 <Macer> att and verizon are throwing tons of money at windows phonez
Apr 26 08:02:48 <Macer> ny times says it is because they are sick of apple and worried about google buying motmob
Apr 26 08:03:29 <Macer> wonder how well apple will fair when the telcoms tell them to take their iphone and.shove it up their ass
Apr 26 08:03:59 <RST38h> All these big bad companies are in for an unpleasant surprise around Christmas.
Apr 26 08:04:12 <Macer> since they are so hitler with the methods they selland give rights to telcoms
Apr 26 08:04:19 <Macer> why?
Apr 26 08:04:29 <RST38h> Microsoft releases WP8
Apr 26 08:04:32 <Macer> what happens around christmas? 
Apr 26 08:04:34 <Macer> oh
Apr 26 08:04:36 <Macer> yah
Apr 26 08:04:38 <RST38h> WindowsNT based, completely incompatible with WP7
Apr 26 08:04:51 <Macer> lol
Apr 26 08:04:55 <jaska> wordperfect 8
Apr 26 08:05:00 <RST38h> Supposed to run WP7 apps, as backward compatibility, but all the rest is different
Apr 26 08:05:02 <Macer> so my lumia 900 wont run it? 
Apr 26 08:05:07 <RST38h> Most likely
Apr 26 08:05:15 <Macer> damn :(
Apr 26 08:05:22 <Macer> i hope that isnt the case
Apr 26 08:05:25 <RST38h> Why did you get a freaking Lumia, anyway? It is nothing more than Zune + a phoen app
Apr 26 08:05:41 <Macer> it is surprisingly nice
Apr 26 08:05:47 <Macer> awesome even
Apr 26 08:05:55 <RST38h> Got Lumia 800 here. It sucks moose balls.
Apr 26 08:06:02 <Macer> i dont know
Apr 26 08:06:07 <Macer> i love it heh
Apr 26 08:06:19 <Macer> i am using it now ;)
Apr 26 08:06:24 <RST38h> Can't play video. Can't run web browsers (builtin IE does not count). Can't use USB mass storage. Can't read books on it. 
Apr 26 08:06:25 <Macer> zune didnt have ssh
Apr 26 08:06:35 <Macer> oh
Apr 26 08:06:43 <Macer> 900 plays video fine
Apr 26 08:06:47 <RST38h> SSH? Forget SSH, this piece of fecal matter cannot even play Xvid
Apr 26 08:06:55 <Macer> web browser runs fine
Apr 26 08:06:57 <Macer> heh
Apr 26 08:07:11 <Macer> ie is actually an awesome mob browser
Apr 26 08:07:17 <Macer> believe it or not
Apr 26 08:07:29 <RST38h> web browser only runs fine on sites where it does not go bonkers due to one bug or another
Apr 26 08:07:36 <Macer> wtf uses xvid? lol
Apr 26 08:07:40 <RST38h> it is a coprolit of a browser
Apr 26 08:07:44 <Macer> heh
Apr 26 08:07:53 <Macer> well... i havent ran into any so far
Apr 26 08:07:59 <Macer> it is amazingly solid
Apr 26 08:08:07 <RST38h> And to add insult to the injury, I cannot even develop software for it.
Apr 26 08:08:18 <Macer> why?
Apr 26 08:08:39 <RST38h> Because it is only programmed in C#
Apr 26 08:09:09 <RST38h> And all of my code is in C/C++ and it is not like I am going to rewrite everything in slow, managed C#
Apr 26 08:10:30 <Macer> it supports c++
Apr 26 08:10:32 <Macer> lol
Apr 26 08:10:35 <RST38h> It does not.
Apr 26 08:10:42 <Macer> yup
Apr 26 08:10:49 <RST38h> Go find a URL.
Apr 26 08:11:00 <Macer> cant paste it :(
Apr 26 08:11:10 <Macer> i will find it tomorrow for you
Apr 26 08:11:16 <RST38h> It does not support cut&paste? :)
Apr 26 08:11:25 <Macer> ssh client doesnt
Apr 26 08:11:29 <RST38h> Anyway, no URL no doughnut.
Apr 26 08:11:39 <Macer> i saw it earlier
Apr 26 08:11:53 <Macer> you can use python too :-P
Apr 26 08:11:57 <Macer> lol
Apr 26 08:12:03 <RST38h> thanks, I will pass.
Apr 26 08:14:43 * LaoLang_cool is looking for a tool like xclip
Apr 26 08:14:57 <LaoLang_cool> any guy could port it to maemo please?
Apr 26 08:53:51 <spark666> hey guys
Apr 26 08:54:33 <spark666> i have a question,i checked the wiki and all,and some ppl say to flash first emmc others say rootfs..so what its the right order?
Apr 26 08:55:15 <RST38h> rootfs first afaik
Apr 26 08:55:27 <spark666> hummm :-s
Apr 26 08:55:35 <RST38h> That is what the automated Windows updater does at least
Apr 26 08:55:55 <spark666> RST38h, have you tried whit flasher?
Apr 26 08:56:24 <RST38h> Why should flasher be any different?
Apr 26 08:56:48 <spark666> sometimes in the past nokia updater bricked my n900
Apr 26 08:56:53 <spark666> and i fixed whit flasher
Apr 26 08:57:03 <spark666> i had a reboot loop
Apr 26 08:57:22 <timoph> just don't boot between since afaik it does some symlinking to emmc during the first boot or something
Apr 26 08:57:23 <spark666> now i buyed a new n900 at second hand
Apr 26 08:57:31 <spark666> and i want to make it nice and clear :D
Apr 26 08:58:11 <spark666> timoph, i know that but as i said im not sure about the proper order :-s
Apr 26 08:58:31 <timoph> not sure if it really matters :)
Apr 26 08:59:10 <timoph> if one order fails try the other
Apr 26 08:59:33 <spark666> but ins there risc to brake it?
Apr 26 08:59:39 <spark666> if i mess up whit order
Apr 26 09:00:03 <timoph> I don't see how that could break it
Apr 26 09:00:17 <timoph> in the worst care you just have to reflash
Apr 26 09:01:00 <spark666> on the images download site its write this http://pastebin.com/VBVzNYp5
Apr 26 09:01:13 <timoph> I am actually a bit surprized that I haven't managed to break a single n900 with the flasher
Apr 26 09:01:28 <chem|st> spark666: yes order might brake
Apr 26 09:01:49 <timoph> hw damage?
Apr 26 09:01:55 <timoph> how?
Apr 26 09:02:00 <spark666> chem|st, break forever,or just need to reflash again?
Apr 26 09:02:04 <chem|st> spark666: flash root and without rebooting flash emmc, if you reboot in between it brakes
Apr 26 09:02:25 <chem|st> spark666: reflash again and again .oO(spoon)
Apr 26 09:02:52 <spark666> chem|st, okey then ill try first whit root and then whit emmc
Apr 26 09:03:12 <spark666> ]i just wait it to fully charge:P
Apr 26 09:03:26 <chem|st> if the device runs out of battery you need to charge with an external battery charger...
Apr 26 09:03:49 <spark666> thats what im doing now lol
Apr 26 09:04:05 <spark666> im at 82% i cant wait :P
Apr 26 09:04:11 <chem|st> spark666: win or linnux?
Apr 26 09:04:32 <spark666> chem|st, now i use windows couse im at a friend but at home linux (Gentoo)
Apr 26 09:05:14 <chem|st> the guide changed...
Apr 26 09:05:18 <chem|st> lol
Apr 26 09:05:21 <spark666> what guide?
Apr 26 09:05:26 <chem|st> flashing..
Apr 26 09:05:33 <spark666> in what way?
Apr 26 09:06:14 <chem|st> they made clear that /opt gets deleted by flashing emmc, which gets populated on first boot only
Apr 26 09:06:41 <spark666> and that means i need to flash emmc first right?
Apr 26 09:07:24 <spark666> so he can become recreated and after to flash the "linux firmware"
Apr 26 09:07:46 <chem|st> just flash both images root and emmc WITHOUT "-R" flag
Apr 26 09:08:04 <spark666> ill use -R at the second 
Apr 26 09:08:10 <chem|st> yes
Apr 26 09:08:11 <spark666> so he can reboot by default
Apr 26 09:08:39 <chem|st> I boot by hand if flashing both images just to be sure
Apr 26 09:08:52 <spark666> hummm
Apr 26 09:09:07 <timoph> I usually do by having the cable connected all the time and controlling power/booting by pulling the battery and putting it back
Apr 26 09:09:29 <chem|st> timoph: ?
Apr 26 09:09:31 <timoph> since that way the device boot when you put the battery back
Apr 26 09:09:38 <spark666> butyou didnt answered to my question,after you said the guide changed...the order changed to?
Apr 26 09:09:51 <chem|st> timoph: that brakes with "do not boot in between"
Apr 26 09:10:01 <timoph> no
Apr 26 09:10:04 <chem|st> spark666: no
Apr 26 09:10:09 <timoph> well it does but wait a sec
Apr 26 09:10:17 <spark666> on guide say to get out the battery and pull it back in
Apr 26 09:10:22 <spark666> between the 2 flashing
Apr 26 09:10:24 <chem|st> spark666: well it says order does not matter
Apr 26 09:11:14 <timoph> what I do.. 1) power off 2) pull battery 3) connect cable 4) start flasher without -R 5) put battery 6) wait 7) pull battery 8) start flasher again 9) put battery
Apr 26 09:11:31 <chem|st> spark666: just follow the guide... emmc first then root
Apr 26 09:11:40 <spark666> chem|st, better that way
Apr 26 09:11:44 <timoph> yep. easier that way :)
Apr 26 09:11:47 <spark666> if doesnt work ill change order
Apr 26 09:11:53 <spark666> if it still gonna work :P
Apr 26 09:12:28 <chem|st> I wouldn't do the battery removal step... never done that
Apr 26 09:12:56 <timoph> we did a similar thing with maemo test automation
Apr 26 09:13:14 <timoph> although the device was on a fake battery that could be controlled externally
Apr 26 09:13:51 <spark666> btw,what about CSSU,it works whit latest maemo?
Apr 26 09:13:55 <spark666> pr1.3
Apr 26 09:14:28 <timoph> i think that's a prerequirement for installing it
Apr 26 09:14:38 <timoph> not sure though
Apr 26 09:17:33 <spark666> i think im gonna do it now..86 % battery should be enough,right? :D
Apr 26 09:20:12 <psycho_oreos> should be, provided that you get it right
Apr 26 09:22:02 <spark666> psycho_oreos, how can i check it beside one widget that i have?
Apr 26 09:29:38 <chem|st> !battery
Apr 26 09:29:42 <spark666> i have a windows error when i plugg n900 pressing u
Apr 26 09:29:47 <psycho_oreos> ~battery
Apr 26 09:29:47 <infobot> it has been said that battery is made by Danionics http://www.danionics.com/products/icphh02.asp, or at http://www.handhelds.org/handhelds-faq/questions.html#AEN744
Apr 26 09:29:50 <spark666> it say device unplugged
Apr 26 09:30:07 <chem|st> spark666: win7?
Apr 26 09:30:27 <spark666> yep
Apr 26 09:30:29 <spark666> 32 bit
Apr 26 09:30:57 <chem|st> hmm win7 had issues... no idea if and what - means I drop out as I am no more help now
Apr 26 09:31:20 <spark666> i read something about libusb or something :-s
Apr 26 09:31:46 <psycho_oreos> I don't use windows, so I can't help there as well
Apr 26 09:31:46 <chem|st> ~charging
Apr 26 09:32:19 <spark666> psycho_oreos, im at a friend and i cant use linux :(
Apr 26 09:32:22 <chem|st> spark666: wait till you are at home (linux)
Apr 26 09:32:36 <spark666> hummm
Apr 26 09:32:52 <chem|st> spark666: or boot a pendrivelinux....
Apr 26 09:33:02 <spark666> i dont have
Apr 26 09:33:03 <spark666> ...
Apr 26 09:33:05 <psycho_oreos> spark666, you don't have to install linux you know, there are a few options available
Apr 26 09:33:10 <chem|st> you have a pendrve?
Apr 26 09:33:14 <psycho_oreos> liveDVD　is another option
Apr 26 09:36:45 <spark666> no usb or dvd
Apr 26 09:36:57 <spark666> but it wont work if windows say that?
Apr 26 09:37:43 <chem|st> spark666: doubt it
Apr 26 09:37:53 <spark666> but one more question
Apr 26 09:38:00 <chem|st> win7 is known to have issues with flashing
Apr 26 09:38:10 <chem|st> that's all I know
Apr 26 09:38:16 <spark666> if i install nokia software updater,it will flash both images?
Apr 26 09:38:20 <spark666> root and emmc
Apr 26 09:38:20 <spark666> ?
Apr 26 09:38:48 <chem|st> and again... no idea...
Apr 26 09:39:10 <chem|st> maybe you get info while doing so...
Apr 26 09:39:38 <spark666> ill try to google it maybe ill have luck :(
Apr 26 09:43:29 * psycho_oreos doesn't see why there's any need to rush to get the device flashed under windows. Haste makes waste and I'm somewhat inclined to believe you just wanted to flash your N900 under windows so that you can show off something
Apr 26 09:44:52 <spark666> lol
Apr 26 09:45:21 <spark666> no,i just wanted to hurry.so i can customize it after,install some apps etc
Apr 26 09:45:23 <spark666> :)
Apr 26 09:47:15 <psycho_oreos> or simply you lied that you're at your friend's house and the bottom line is that you can't use linux and you refuse to
Apr 26 09:47:46 <spark666> lol,if i said i use gentoo?thats means i know about linux right
Apr 26 09:48:00 <spark666> but im not here to argue or something,i just wanted some help
Apr 26 09:48:30 <spark666> when ill get home ill show you some pics whit my linux running
Apr 26 09:50:52 <spark666> psycho_oreos, check this out
Apr 26 09:50:55 <spark666> http://i.imgur.com/Y25Bc.png
Apr 26 09:50:56 <spark666> ;)
Apr 26 09:51:13 <bindi> well hello, that looks unusable as fuck
Apr 26 09:51:15 <spark666> i remembered i have a image uploaded this days
Apr 26 09:52:31 <joga> (why unusable?)
Apr 26 09:52:51 <joga> awful terminal font though ;p
Apr 26 09:53:07 <spark666> i like that font,before i used terminus
Apr 26 09:53:14 <spark666> but we become oft i guess :P
Apr 26 09:53:21 <joga> I use terminus too
Apr 26 09:53:58 <spark666> and bindi awesome wm its very nice,i like tiling window managers
Apr 26 09:54:00 <joga> but, matter of taste I guess ;)
Apr 26 09:55:00 <joga> I use notion
Apr 26 09:55:13 <spark666> its nice from what i saw
Apr 26 09:55:29 <joga> ion3 was excellent and it's basically the same
Apr 26 09:59:17 <spark666> but i cant remeber ion its writen in c like dwm?
Apr 26 09:59:48 <spark666> notion*
Apr 26 10:02:54 <joga> lua
Apr 26 10:07:08 <spark666> awesome its in lua to :D
Apr 26 10:11:40 <chem|st> ion for the win, saves my life everytime I powerup my netbook... and noone not even people knowing ion can do anything on it...
Apr 26 10:13:19 <chem|st> remembers me of setting up a auto hibernation if meta+F-keys are pressed 5 times without actually starting anything^^
Apr 26 10:20:26 <joga> heh
Apr 26 10:27:04 <spark666> brb
Apr 26 10:30:09 <joga> chem|st especially for the netbooks it's great because using the touchpad is usually so awkward
Apr 26 10:30:35 <joga> and the screen space is efficiently used
Apr 26 10:30:40 <chem|st> joga: that is why I chose ion
Apr 26 10:30:45 <joga> yup
Apr 26 10:54:02 <LaoLang_cool> How to get a deb pack of installed pkg? apt-get -d install pkg says pkg is already the latest version
Apr 26 12:51:23 <vdv> if i want an app is always running in background and mainwindow showing/hiding when user presses app icon, do i need qtsingleapplicaiton stuff, or is the following sufficient? http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Qt_application_for_Maemo_with_DBus_support
Apr 26 17:32:07 <freemangordon> Pali, ping
Apr 26 17:34:31 <ErwinJunge> Anyone in here use gcc 4.6 (or even 4.7) in scratchbox?
Apr 26 17:34:40 <freemangordon> yep
Apr 26 17:34:43 <freemangordon> 4.6.2
Apr 26 17:34:58 <ErwinJunge> Ohhh, care to give me instructions on how to do it? :)
Apr 26 17:35:50 <ErwinJunge> I'd like to recompile libsamplerate and ffmpeg to see if the improved neon support in gcc 4.6 has any impact on performance
Apr 26 17:36:08 <ErwinJunge> Seems like those two workloads could really benefit from better vectorization
Apr 26 17:37:20 <freemangordon> ErwinJunge, it is not easy(and I am not sure I can give you the corect instruction), the only way I can see is to tar.gz compiler and to upload it somewhere
Apr 26 17:37:38 <freemangordon> it is about 200 MB
Apr 26 17:37:49 <ErwinJunge> That would work for me, if you have the space somewhere
Apr 26 17:38:02 <freemangordon> yeah, that could be a problem
Apr 26 17:38:09 <freemangordon> let me try
Apr 26 17:38:12 <freemangordon> merlin1991, ping
Apr 26 17:40:25 <ErwinJunge> So how did you accomplish this? Did you compile it yourself?
Apr 26 17:40:36 <freemangordon> yep
Apr 26 17:40:41 <freemangordon> in debian
Apr 26 17:41:04 <freemangordon> along with binutils 2.22
Apr 26 17:41:24 <freemangordon> but it is not easy, trust me on that, it is much easier to upload it for you
Apr 26 17:43:13 <ErwinJunge> I agree, was just wondering
Apr 26 17:43:34 <ErwinJunge> I tried compiling gcc from source once, was not a success :)
Apr 26 17:44:44 <freemangordon> ErwinJunge, have in mind you will have to use a newer libstdc++.so
Apr 26 17:46:08 <ErwinJunge> Yeah, I read that on tmo somewhere. Is that a problem?
Apr 26 17:46:18 <ErwinJunge> Those are backwards compatible by definition, right?
Apr 26 17:46:33 <flat`>  
Apr 26 17:47:00 <freemangordon> well, i've used it on my primary device, as a replacement of the stock one, no problems seen. but no guarantee, you know :)
Apr 26 17:48:54 <freemangordon> ErwinJunge, the trickiest part is to compile gcc STATICALLY LINKED, otherwise it won't work in SB
Apr 26 17:49:23 <freemangordon> and to pass a correct -rootdir to ./configure
Apr 26 17:50:01 <ErwinJunge> Comparison between libstdc++.so.6 between sb and debian sid: http://pastebin.com/CjKWhxce
Apr 26 17:50:09 <ErwinJunge> Seems pretty backwards compatible to me :)
Apr 26 18:18:03 <freemangordon> Pali, ping
Apr 26 18:19:12 <h2p> Has anyone here ever done stuff with VOIP?  I am a computer science student looking for an internship, and got contacted by a company that says they are a VOIP company that makes configurations for phones, uses spreadsheets and visio to make designs, and talks to customers sets up phone systems forthem. Is this a good internship for a CS student or is it a waste of time?
Apr 26 18:19:18 <merlin1991>              freemangordon pong
Apr 26 18:20:25 <freemangordon> merlin1991, I was asking for your permission to upload gcc 4.6.2 compiled to be used in SB on your server. But because there was silence, I decide to upload it anyway
Apr 26 18:20:35 <freemangordon> http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/develdebs/
Apr 26 18:20:43 <merlin1991> :D
Apr 26 19:20:54 <Raimu> DMCA violation!
Apr 26 19:21:01 <Raimu> ...just kidding.
Apr 26 20:18:28 <DocScrutinizer51> *YAWN*
Apr 26 20:18:48 * Cor-Ai puts an bun in DocScrutinizer51's mouth
Apr 26 20:32:15 <Snii> Hi, is there a way to make an install on my N900 that is as bare-bones as possible (possibly just booting to a terminal).. And is there any point in doing so from a performance perspective (if I just want it as a small wireless server or similiar)
Apr 26 20:46:29 <DocScrutinizer> err
Apr 26 20:46:56 <DocScrutinizer> Snii: just boot to backupmenu, start ssh
Apr 26 20:47:24 <DocScrutinizer> point: moar RAM
Apr 26 20:48:34 <DocScrutinizer> which is quite a huge point, given the chronically tight RAM situation on a full started maemo
Apr 26 20:50:08 <DocScrutinizer> otoh there's no point at all in performance tuning, until performance doesn't meet your requirements
Apr 26 20:50:19 <Snii> DocScrutinizer: Hmm, interesting.. I've never heard of Backupmenu before.
Apr 26 20:50:23 <Snii> I'll have a look
Apr 26 20:50:46 <DocScrutinizer> what? BM is THE must-have on N900
Apr 26 20:51:30 <DocScrutinizer> robbiethe1st saved our lives with it
Apr 26 20:52:59 <Snii> DocScrutinizer: I just picked my N900 out of the closet after > 1 year... Good to hear that things are progressing.. Why where your lives threatened before BM?
Apr 26 20:55:18 <DocScrutinizer> because I might explode when some crap fscks up my rootfs
Apr 26 20:55:34 <DocScrutinizer> with BM you roll back any time *completely*
Apr 26 20:55:56 <DocScrutinizer> just a dirt simple disk-imager
Apr 26 20:56:40 <DocScrutinizer> yet the best since sliced bread, almost as awesome as dd, or less, or grep
Apr 26 20:57:39 <DocScrutinizer> well, if you were gone for >1 year, you probably also missed the news about CSSU
Apr 26 20:58:59 <DocScrutinizer> maemo not dead, just its users smell funny ;-P
Apr 26 21:02:34 <Snii> The root shell in BM sure seems a lot faster
Apr 26 21:02:45 <Snii> I had no idea the proximity sensor reacted so quickly
Apr 26 21:04:55 <Snii> DocScrutinizer: Tell me the news about CSSU :\
Apr 26 21:05:00 <Snii> ?
Apr 26 21:05:20 <DocScrutinizer> ~cssu
Apr 26 21:05:21 <infobot> hmm... cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU
Apr 26 21:14:23 <ErwinJunge> Random try again moment: Anyone in here have experience porting a desktop gtk app to hildon?
Apr 26 21:15:09 <ErwinJunge> Not that I have time to work on it now, but would appreciate a pointer in the right direction :)
Apr 26 21:34:57 <Raimu> > maemo not dead, just its users smell funny ;-P
Apr 26 21:34:58 <Raimu> LOL
Apr 26 21:35:11 <Raimu> Note to self, take shower first thing tomorrow.
Apr 26 21:40:04 <villager> and maybe I should eat garbage food less often
Apr 26 21:40:33 <Raimu> I finally got one of those high endurance screen protectors for my n900.
Apr 26 21:40:49 <SpeedEvil> I got a pack of 10 for $3 I think
Apr 26 21:40:53 <Raimu> It catches scratches way too easily when it just jangles along in my packet.
Apr 26 21:41:06 <Raimu> s/packet/pocket
Apr 26 23:16:40 <sobczyk_> I'm trying to install power-kernel, the flasher returns "Image flashed successfully in 0.858 s (2027 kB/s)!" but after reboot the same old kernel appears
Apr 26 23:17:09 <spark666> i managed to flash my n900 :)
Apr 26 23:17:48 <sobczyk_> hmm I had multiboot installed
Apr 26 23:18:03 <sobczyk_> maybe that's the problem?
Apr 26 23:27:30 <spark666> how do i emulate nickcompletion on xchat on n900?couse it doesnt have a tab key lol
Apr 26 23:27:58 <SpeedEvil> Look up the keymaps.
Apr 26 23:28:06 <SpeedEvil> I forget - you can set it in one of the menus
Apr 26 23:28:12 <SpeedEvil> I reset it to alt-rightarrow
Apr 26 23:28:16 <SpeedEvil> It might be alt-space
Apr 26 23:28:26 <SpeedEvil> Or is it blue-space
Apr 26 23:28:40 <spark666> let me try
Apr 26 23:29:06 <spark666> SpeedEvil: works
Apr 26 23:29:19 <spark666> you made my day :D
Apr 26 23:29:22 <SpeedEvil> :)
Apr 26 23:30:02 <spark666> shift + spacebar
Apr 26 23:41:33 <sobczyk_> is there a way to do a backup from CLI?
Apr 26 23:41:45 <sobczyk_> the gui one seems to hang at 0%
Apr 26 23:45:43 <r00t|home> what kind of backup exactly?
Apr 26 23:59:58 <sobczyk_> hmm conversations & calendar
Apr 27 00:00:01 <sobczyk_> it's slow
Apr 27 00:00:22 <sobczyk_> I remember it was faster
Apr 27 00:06:26 <r00t|home> conversations? i'd say: sqlite3 .rtcom-eventlogger/el-v1.db .dump >backup.sql ...
Apr 27 00:07:16 <r00t|home> sqlite3 .calendar/calendardb .dump >calendar.sql
Apr 27 00:07:31 <r00t|home> (don't ask me if those can be safely restored...)
Apr 27 00:09:52 <sobczyk_> went through, it was 250MB so I guess that's why so slow
Apr 27 00:10:05 <sobczyk_> anyone here uses battery patch?
Apr 27 00:10:08 <r00t|home> wtf? 250mb of calendar/conversations?
Apr 27 00:10:51 <sobczyk_> it says it will OC the device to 805MHz, is that true?
Apr 27 00:14:42 <r00t|home> non-versation?
Apr 27 00:17:01 <sobczyk_> r00t|home: ?
Apr 27 00:18:24 <robbiethe1st> So, has anyone seen the xolo 900?
Apr 27 00:21:45 <sobczyk_> x86 phone?
Apr 27 00:21:59 <sobczyk_> is that energy efficient compared to arm
Apr 27 00:22:34 <robbiethe1st> Seems decent according to the reviews
Apr 27 00:23:27 <sobczyk_> I guess software can influence more than the hardware now
Apr 27 00:23:37 <robbiethe1st> If the bootloader's unlocked, it would seem an awesome target for Maemo or Kubuntu Mobile...
Apr 27 00:23:57 <robbiethe1st> Because you'd likely be able to run Windows stuff via wine on it.
Apr 27 00:26:41 <sobczyk_> for my next phone i'd like something like n9+hw keyboard, the one in n900 is nice, but a little too toght
Apr 27 00:26:47 <sobczyk_> tight
Apr 27 00:34:04 <robbiethe1st> Like, say, a N950?
Apr 27 00:34:06 <robbiethe1st> Yeah...
Apr 27 00:38:32 <nox-> too bad elop killed that one...
Apr 27 00:39:20 <sobczyk_> n950 was limited and for devs only
Apr 27 00:39:44 <sobczyk_> n9 had some parts upgraded over n950
Apr 27 00:41:33 <sobczyk_> is 800MHz safe for n900?
Apr 27 00:42:38 <spark666> i remeber in past i installed terminator on n900.is it still possible?or rxvt-unicode,etc
Apr 27 00:53:23 <LaoLang_cool> How to get a installed pkg's deb file?
Apr 27 00:53:31 <robbiethe1st> sobczyk_, I can run mine up to 1.15ghz, run it at 950 as my max freq.
Apr 27 00:53:35 <LaoLang_cool> 'apt-get -d install pkg' doesn't work :(
Apr 27 00:53:53 <robbiethe1st> ...You, however, have to tweak the voltages to your own device so it doesn't crash or become unstable.
Apr 27 00:55:31 <robbiethe1st> I ran one N900 for a year at my 950 maxfreq without issue; then the USB port broke so I switched to another one which I've been using for over 6 months...
Apr 27 00:57:28 <LaoLang_cool> I'm using kernel-power with starving of kernel-power-config profile, working fine, so my n900 is running at the lowest voltages, so battery life will be extended, so n900's life will be too, right?
Apr 27 00:57:52 <spark666> LaoLang_cool: apt-get -i nameofapp.deb
Apr 27 00:58:07 <robbiethe1st> Life? Nah, not really. 
Apr 27 00:58:27 <robbiethe1st> It is reduced by overclocking, that's for sure. Higher frequencies are worse.
Apr 27 00:58:49 <spark666> ohh sorry,i missunderstood,nvm
Apr 27 00:58:49 <robbiethe1st> However, what the 'actual' numbers are  -- how long a device will last with or without it... noone knows.
Apr 27 00:59:04 <LaoLang_cool> spark666: I want to get the deb file...
Apr 27 00:59:39 <spark666> LaoLang_cool: yes i saw it to late
Apr 27 01:00:06 <robbiethe1st> Personally, I suspect that, for 90% of devices, the CPU won't fail before other stuff does, even OC'd heavily.
Apr 27 01:00:12 <spark666> btw its there a big features diff between cssu stable and testing?
Apr 27 01:00:27 <robbiethe1st> If for no other reason than it's only running OC'd for a small fraction of each day.
Apr 27 01:00:48 <robbiethe1st> And the CPU's rated for X years at 600mhz 24/7.
Apr 27 01:01:10 <LaoLang_cool> spark666: my english is bad ;p
Apr 27 01:01:57 <spark666> LaoLang_cool: no problem,english isnt my native language either :p
Apr 27 01:02:26 <LaoLang_cool> ok ;p
Apr 27 01:06:47 * spark666 brb 
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