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Apr 30 08:01:31 <Pali> freemangordon, DocScrutinizer final bq2415x charger patch with usb/wallcharger auto detection without breaking usb host mode is here: http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/bq2415x/0001-Added-bq2415x-driver.patch
Apr 30 08:01:57 <freemangordon> Pali, you should have some sleep from time to time :P
Apr 30 08:03:15 <Itschue> good morning
Apr 30 08:03:17 <Pali> I slept :) now about 15 minutes took me to add last missing think - wallcharger detection
Apr 30 08:03:44 <Pali> so charging in kernel is ready
Apr 30 08:03:55 <freemangordon> so, what now?
Apr 30 08:04:13 <freemangordon> I still don't have the whole picture
Apr 30 08:04:37 <Pali> now is needed to replace userspace closed libraries which use BME :D
Apr 30 08:05:09 <freemangordon> so, the addon is half functional, what was that .so you were talking about
Apr 30 08:05:41 <Pali> it is wrapper for i2cget for bq27200 chip
Apr 30 08:05:59 * RST38h moos
Apr 30 08:06:12 <freemangordon> no, the another one, let me look into the logs
Apr 30 08:06:13 <Pali> that library is needed to get i2cget work when bq27200.ko is loaded
Apr 30 08:07:04 <freemangordon> Pali, libbmeipc
Apr 30 08:07:15 <Pali> ah, yes
Apr 30 08:07:23 <Pali> library which communicate with bmw
Apr 30 08:07:24 <Pali> *bme
Apr 30 08:07:40 <freemangordon> who uses that?
Apr 30 08:09:05 <Pali> http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_ssu_pr1-2_armel/libbmeipc0/0.8.55+0m5/
Apr 30 08:09:25 <Pali> packages: pulseaudio-module-nokia-music hald-addon-bme pulseaudio-module-nokia-voice dsme pulseaudio-module-nokia-common testserver pulseaudio-module-nokia-record 
Apr 30 08:09:31 <freemangordon> yeah :)
Apr 30 08:10:00 <Pali> also see that nokias hald-addon-bme using it
Apr 30 08:10:22 <freemangordon> hmm, this one is 8k in i386 SB, let me chech on the device
Apr 30 08:10:56 <freemangordon> the same, that will be a piece of cake
Apr 30 08:11:09 <Pali> and osso-systemui-actingdead (systemui addon which shutdown device when battery is empty) needs hald-addon-bme
Apr 30 08:11:12 <Pali> see http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_ssu_pr1-2_armel/hald-addon-bme/0.0.17+0m5/
Apr 30 08:11:49 <Pali> try to look at some opensource libbmeipc version: https://meego.gitorious.org/meego-device-adaptation/n900_libbme/
Apr 30 08:12:01 <Pali> maybe is compatible/same with that in n900
Apr 30 08:13:14 <freemangordon> let me fire hexrays
Apr 30 08:16:08 <freemangordon> Pali, things not look good, that library does what it name states, i.e. calls bme through socket.
Apr 30 08:16:25 <Pali> yes
Apr 30 08:16:31 <Pali> I know
Apr 30 08:16:35 <Pali> it is not easy
Apr 30 08:16:49 <Pali> but better look at pulseaudio modules
Apr 30 08:16:57 <Pali> they are opened on meego
Apr 30 08:16:58 <freemangordon> we need to implement the whole bme functionality
Apr 30 08:17:28 <Pali> and last package which use bme is dsme - which is open source
Apr 30 08:17:33 <freemangordon> Pali, seems you have the knowledge, why don't you take that part
Apr 30 08:17:42 <Pali> no time :-)
Apr 30 08:18:03 <Pali> I created kernel driver
Apr 30 08:18:10 <freemangordon> :)
Apr 30 08:18:16 <freemangordon> yeah
Apr 30 08:18:44 <Pali> going away
Apr 30 08:18:52 <freemangordon> bb
Apr 30 08:37:16 <dre-s> how do I open and clean my N900 keyboards? thanks
Apr 30 08:37:35 <dre-s> been searching the guide in the internet but found none
Apr 30 09:08:06 <BiggAl> dre-s I usually clean mine with compressed air, no need to open it up
Apr 30 09:08:34 <BiggAl> You can get it fairly cheap on amazon/ebay
Apr 30 09:11:17 <Itschue> dre-s  http://www.faq4mobiles.de/nokia-faqs-und-anleitungen/56779-nokia-service-manuals.html
Apr 30 09:13:23 <Itschue> dre-s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVEHm325-z8
Apr 30 11:18:38 <DocScrutinizer> condolences Nokia: Samsung > Nokia yesterday. Todsay selling VERTU
Apr 30 11:19:21 <DocScrutinizer> Flop did a comprehensive job, indeed
Apr 30 11:21:49 <jacekowski> DocScrutinizer: well, i don't suppose vertu was making great profits
Apr 30 11:21:58 <jaska> derrpu
Apr 30 11:22:04 <zeq> He's trying to out do impressive job done to HP
Apr 30 11:22:06 <jaska> making glitzed up s40 phones
Apr 30 11:22:39 <zeq> jacekowski: it made huge profits
Apr 30 11:22:51 <jaska> profit per unit is probably ridiculous
Apr 30 11:23:02 <jacekowski> i'm not so sure
Apr 30 11:23:05 <zeq> just not significant revenue
Apr 30 11:23:12 <jacekowski> materials costed a lot
Apr 30 11:23:29 <jacekowski> and it's not like they sold millions of those phones anyways
Apr 30 11:23:49 <zeq> it wasn't a volume unit
Apr 30 11:23:57 <jacekowski> i can't really imagine who would buy those
Apr 30 11:24:16 <jacekowski> those were not really any kind of business phones
Apr 30 11:24:31 <zeq> no, they were for the elite classes
Apr 30 11:24:40 <jaska> "elite"
Apr 30 11:25:01 <zeq> yes, sorry "elite" :)
Apr 30 11:25:47 <jacekowski> but it's not like you go to some kind of party and show off your phone
Apr 30 11:25:56 <jacekowski> when you buy something like that it's for people to see
Apr 30 11:26:10 <jaska> s/see/steal/
Apr 30 11:26:19 <zeq> it's to see they don't have the same as the riff-raff
Apr 30 11:26:32 <jaska> albeit a s40 phone would be preferable to a symbian one :)
Apr 30 11:26:46 <zeq> "special" people, "special" phones
Apr 30 11:27:26 <jacekowski> jaska: i don't suppose you can flog stolen phone like that
Apr 30 11:27:41 <jaska> materials
Apr 30 11:27:45 <zeq> you'd break it down
Apr 30 11:28:08 <jacekowski> i don't see how would you sell key shaped saphire somewhere
Apr 30 11:28:14 <zeq> like famous jewelry
Apr 30 11:28:22 <jacekowski> possibly gold and platinium
Apr 30 11:28:26 <jacekowski> you can melt those
Apr 30 11:28:35 <jacekowski> but rest of components would be hard to "recycle"
Apr 30 11:29:17 <zeq> the point is though, Nokia could name the price.
Apr 30 11:29:37 <zeq> Probably the more the price, the more demand up to a point.
Apr 30 11:30:02 <zeq> Very exclusive market, without growth potential
Apr 30 11:30:11 <zeq> but easy money
Apr 30 11:30:36 <zeq> probably the very definition of niche
Apr 30 11:31:09 <DocScrutinizer> jacekowski: hehe
Apr 30 11:31:24 * DocScrutinizer would adore saphire buttons
Apr 30 11:31:46 <jaska> sapphire qwerty
Apr 30 11:32:08 <DocScrutinizer> maybe a screen protector of monolitic diamant
Apr 30 11:32:11 <zeq> who wouldn't want a device made from ideal components? price no object?
Apr 30 11:32:16 <DocScrutinizer> of course synthetic
Apr 30 11:32:43 <jaska> price no object is not realizing how much the ideal materials would cost :)
Apr 30 11:33:36 <DocScrutinizer> jaska: keycap printing done by ion diffusion
Apr 30 11:33:43 <zeq> :)
Apr 30 11:35:14 <DocScrutinizer> THIS wouldn't come off, like that crap: http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.public/joerg900.10004
Apr 30 11:35:38 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, I'm definitely in love with sapphire qwerty
Apr 30 11:37:19 <jacekowski> DocScrutinizer: screen is sapphire as well
Apr 30 11:37:28 <DocScrutinizer> nah
Apr 30 11:37:50 <jacekowski> what a cheap knock-off then
Apr 30 11:37:52 <DocScrutinizer> 50 atom layers pure carbon, crystaline
Apr 30 11:38:11 <DocScrutinizer> aka diamant
Apr 30 11:38:33 <jacekowski> there is a lot of differen crystal arrangements of carbon
Apr 30 11:39:05 <DocScrutinizer> produced under vacuum by evaporizing carbon
Apr 30 11:39:50 <DocScrutinizer> THE surface finsih
Apr 30 11:40:13 <DocScrutinizer> basically one huge very thin diamant
Apr 30 11:40:43 <r00t|home> DocScrutinizer: diamond
Apr 30 11:40:52 <DocScrutinizer> oops
Apr 30 11:40:55 <DocScrutinizer> time for 12648430   ☕ 
Apr 30 11:41:56 <DocScrutinizer> r00t|home: thanks
Apr 30 11:44:11 <r00t|home> damn those germans and their bad english...
Apr 30 11:45:39 <DocScrutinizer> wat meks iu sink eim german, nod sous afrikan?
Apr 30 11:46:06 <r00t|home> suuuure...
Apr 30 11:49:49 <DocScrutinizer> actually I'm not German, I'm a franconian - we invented english pronounciation before the British even learned to speak ;-P
Apr 30 11:51:45 <dm8tbr> DocScrutinizer: ah, a bavarian... *SCNR* *duck* *run*
Apr 30 11:52:53 <Zucca> Hi. I'm having some serious problems with Maemo 5 CSSU testing. Apmd does not start and my N900 loses 2G/3G data connection constantly. I already changed my SIM card, but I had no effect. As my last hope I have decided to switch to Maemo 5 SCCU stable. Is it easy? Can it (downgrading) be done?
Apr 30 11:57:24 <DocScrutinizer> http://franken-wiki.de/index.php/Günter_Stössel#NZ-Fr.C3.A4nkisch-Video_mit_G.C3.BCnter_St.C3.B6ssel
Apr 30 12:02:05 <DocScrutinizer> Zucca: definitely completely unrelated to CSSU
Apr 30 12:02:26 <DocScrutinizer> anyway, downgrading to CSSU-S can't be done
Apr 30 12:02:33 <Zucca> Ok.
Apr 30 12:02:34 <DocScrutinizer> first take
Apr 30 12:03:14 * DocScrutinizer idly wonders what's Apmd
Apr 30 12:03:42 <Zucca> I don't know of this data connection dropping... But I just had apmd upgrade.
Apr 30 12:04:00 <Zucca> Advanced power manager daemon.
Apr 30 12:04:25 <DocScrutinizer> sorry, never heard of that
Apr 30 12:04:45 <jacekowski> like acpi
Apr 30 12:04:46 <DocScrutinizer> maybe it's that hoax published by this fool who claims he invented unix
Apr 30 12:04:47 <jacekowski> but older
Apr 30 12:05:09 <Zucca> I guess I need to buy N9. :P
Apr 30 12:05:17 <DocScrutinizer> jacekowski: I know APM, but I definitely think it's not part of maemo
Apr 30 12:05:50 <DocScrutinizer> IroN900:~# ps aux|grep apm
Apr 30 12:05:52 <DocScrutinizer>  3268 root      4108 S    grep apm
Apr 30 12:06:17 <jacekowski> maybe it is
Apr 30 12:07:04 <DocScrutinizer> IroN900:~# locate apm  -> nothing that fits, except manpage
Apr 30 12:07:19 <Zucca> I guess I could return backups from before swithing to testing...
Apr 30 12:07:47 <DocScrutinizer> Zucca: toldya it's totally completely unrelated to CSSU
Apr 30 12:08:39 <Zucca> DocScrutinizer: Related or not. I didn't had the problem then. And then I could switch to CSSU stable.
Apr 30 12:08:49 <DocScrutinizer> CSSU neither messes with anything SIM related, nor with anything faintly resembling APM
Apr 30 12:09:02 <DocScrutinizer> whatever you like
Apr 30 12:09:30 <DocScrutinizer> you know the story of the boy who kicked the electric power pole and whole NY went blackout?
Apr 30 12:12:30 <DocScrutinizer> I just hope that, when you find out your data connection still drops frequently after you rolled back to stock maemo, you won't start bitching CSSU fried your modem
Apr 30 12:13:15 <DocScrutinizer> and again, there is no such thing like apmd in any of my maemo systems
Apr 30 12:13:15 <Zucca> Hm... Seems like those power manager stuff were depencies from some other package. Time to clean the mess.
Apr 30 12:13:42 <Zucca> DocScrutinizer: That I know. At least now.
Apr 30 12:14:03 <Zucca> DocScrutinizer: I'm not gonna blame anyone.
Apr 30 12:14:41 <DocScrutinizer> my idea is you installed some suspicious (to use an euphemism) power optimizer app that now causes your data connection to constantly disconnect
Apr 30 12:15:19 <Zucca> I shouldn't have any of those. But I'll try to uninstall soem packages and try again.
Apr 30 12:15:36 <DocScrutinizer> and yes, those crappy power-manager apps might easily conflict with some bugfixes in CSSU
Apr 30 12:15:46 <DocScrutinizer> or have other dependencies to stock maemo
Apr 30 12:16:20 <Zucca> If I don't happen to stumble up on any depency problems. I've never been very "in sync" with dpkg. :P
Apr 30 12:16:30 <DocScrutinizer> I know of at least one such power/comnnection-manager package that doesn't cleanly uninstall
Apr 30 12:17:47 <DocScrutinizer> I think it's been like two weeks into the past I last time explained some user in this channel. He fixed it by complete reflash, and after that NOT reinstalling auto-disconnect app
Apr 30 12:17:49 <Zucca> I need to remove all "suspicious" repos too.
Apr 30 12:18:12 <Zucca> I once tested that app.
Apr 30 12:18:19 <DocScrutinizer> see?!
Apr 30 12:18:26 <DocScrutinizer> it doesn't uninstall
Apr 30 12:18:27 <Zucca> But not when usinf CSSU.
Apr 30 12:18:42 <Zucca> And it plainly sucked then already.
Apr 30 12:19:30 <DocScrutinizer> auto-disconnect is messing up all your rtcom-connections/accounts AIUI
Apr 30 12:19:39 <DocScrutinizer> and not restoring them on uninstall
Apr 30 12:20:17 <Zucca> I chacked. I don't have it. At least package manager didn't find it. :P
Apr 30 12:20:28 <DocScrutinizer> doesn't mean a thing
Apr 30 12:20:37 <DocScrutinizer> you said you once tested it
Apr 30 12:20:50 <DocScrutinizer> the mess lingers on
Apr 30 12:20:57 <DocScrutinizer> after uninstall
Apr 30 12:21:06 <Zucca> I remember not using is on CSSU, so I might be safe?
Apr 30 12:21:11 <DocScrutinizer> no
Apr 30 12:21:18 <Zucca> Oh. :|
Apr 30 12:21:31 <DocScrutinizer> what makes you think CSSU would magically fix the mess auto-disconnect created?
Apr 30 12:21:58 <Zucca> I thought I would uninstall fine IF NOT using CSSu.
Apr 30 12:22:11 <DocScrutinizer> mind you, CSSU is *not* a full reflash
Apr 30 12:22:19 <Zucca> I know.
Apr 30 12:22:51 <DocScrutinizer> no, auto-disconnect never really uninstalls - unrelated to CSSU
Apr 30 12:22:54 <Zucca> But the problem with auto-disconnect was with Nokia SSU too?
Apr 30 12:23:01 <DocScrutinizer> yes
Apr 30 12:23:09 <Zucca> That makes it worse.
Apr 30 12:23:14 <DocScrutinizer> indeed
Apr 30 12:24:34 <DocScrutinizer> please don't quote me on any of the above, it's all second-hand. I never tested that crap myself
Apr 30 12:24:44 <Zucca> I was really long time ago when I tested it...
Apr 30 12:24:54 <Zucca> I won't.
Apr 30 12:25:02 <DocScrutinizer> I just talked users out of trouble caused by auto-disconnect
Apr 30 12:25:45 <DocScrutinizer> I never was able to remote-diagnose the root cause of the problems
Apr 30 12:26:30 <Zucca> Let's see how my N900 performs now. I removed all the APMD stuff.
Apr 30 12:26:34 <DocScrutinizer> but the pattern always been the same: install then uninstall auto-disconnect -> run into trouble with data connections never getting stable again
Apr 30 12:27:16 <DocScrutinizer> do full reflash, enjoy absence of previous annoying problems
Apr 30 12:28:02 <DocScrutinizer> so all this boils down to "auto-disconnect doesn't cleanly uninstall and is messing up ICD2 and friends", in my book
Apr 30 12:28:05 <Zucca> DocScrutinizer: In my case I had no problems after uninstall until about two weeks ago (not blaming CSSU, not denying that auto-disconnect is quilty).
Apr 30 12:28:48 <DocScrutinizer> well, yes. The last butterfly landing that's finally triggering the problems is mostly unclear
Apr 30 12:29:10 <DocScrutinizer> root cause however is mess created by auto-disconnect
Apr 30 12:29:23 <Zucca> What is that ICD2?
Apr 30 12:29:31 <DocScrutinizer> the real problem showing any time later
Apr 30 12:29:43 <DocScrutinizer> Internet Connection Daemon iirc
Apr 30 12:29:59 <Zucca> Ok.
Apr 30 12:30:04 <DocScrutinizer> the master of all data connections on your system
Apr 30 12:30:46 <DocScrutinizer> similar maybe to knetworkmanager
Apr 30 12:30:49 <Zucca> I really need to remove all other repos but officals...
Apr 30 12:31:10 <DocScrutinizer> you for sure shouldn't keep extras-devel enabled
Apr 30 12:33:17 <DocScrutinizer> anyway you're in for a full reflash - this will reset your repo/catalog list no matter what
Apr 30 12:34:20 <DocScrutinizer> (in for reflash) unless of course *you* are the one to finally spot the nasty bit auto-disconnect leaves on your system after uninstall, and find a way to fix it
Apr 30 12:35:01 <DocScrutinizer> last user gave up after one day of investigating, and reflashed
Apr 30 12:35:03 <DocScrutinizer> iirc
Apr 30 12:35:16 <Zucca> DocScrutinizer: In my case it loses connection to SIM card completely.
Apr 30 12:35:34 <DocScrutinizer> that's not a good sign
Apr 30 12:35:52 <DocScrutinizer> if it says "No SIM" that'S usually a hw-problem
Apr 30 12:35:53 <Zucca> After 10secs or so it "gets back" the SIM card.
Apr 30 12:36:34 <DocScrutinizer> I more than ever recommend a clean full reflash, to rule out any sw issues
Apr 30 12:36:54 <Zucca> DocScrutinizer: That's what I thought. That's why I got new SIM. Stragely it happens randomly when browsing the net, but almost immediately when opening ssh connection.
Apr 30 12:37:10 <DocScrutinizer> o.O
Apr 30 12:37:14 <DocScrutinizer> reflash!
Apr 30 12:37:20 <Zucca> Yeah.
Apr 30 12:37:35 <Zucca> Something fishy...
Apr 30 12:37:49 <DocScrutinizer> do NOT install / reinstall any additional app beyond stock - then test
Apr 30 12:38:05 <DocScrutinizer> then install ssh *only* - RETEST
Apr 30 12:38:13 <Zucca> I really don't have time atm. I'll try tomorrow.
Apr 30 12:38:27 <DocScrutinizer> np, please report
Apr 30 12:38:29 <Zucca> Can I reflash with Linux?
Apr 30 12:38:35 <DocScrutinizer> SURE
Apr 30 12:38:37 <DocScrutinizer> :-D
Apr 30 12:38:44 <DocScrutinizer> only with linux ;-)
Apr 30 12:38:53 <Zucca> I thought you need some special program to reflash. :P
Apr 30 12:39:03 <DocScrutinizer> yes, flasher-3.5
Apr 30 12:39:15 <Zucca> Ok. So dd alone isn't enough.
Apr 30 12:39:21 <DocScrutinizer> available on Nokia download site
Apr 30 12:39:37 <Zucca> Thank god.
Apr 30 12:39:44 <DocScrutinizer> you may also use 0xFFFF
Apr 30 12:39:54 <DocScrutinizer> an open source alternative flasher
Apr 30 12:40:09 <DocScrutinizer> but I wouldn't recommend that for a beginner
Apr 30 12:40:18 <Zucca> Soemtimes those programs are Win only. And I would _not_ like to start playing with wine.
Apr 30 12:40:35 <Zucca> I try the easy way.
Apr 30 12:40:37 <DocScrutinizer> ~flashing
Apr 30 12:40:38 <infobot> well, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
Apr 30 12:41:51 <Zucca> I need to transfer all the photos... I guess there's nothing more I need to to backup...
Apr 30 12:50:25 <Zucca> Why it is always that when I'm using apt/dpkg based distro, I always get it into total mess in the end?
Apr 30 12:52:36 <Zucca> I used Gentoo like five years reinstalling it only once, until I switched to Arch. I thing I would be Ubuntu user if only I wasn't totally incompatible with dpkg. :P
Apr 30 12:53:05 <Zucca> Now every PC here runs Arch.
Apr 30 12:54:43 <Zucca> Oh well. DocScrutinizer I'll try to get the flashing done tomorrow. I'll report the results here. I already checked output of dmesg and it showed something related to connection being idle.
Apr 30 12:55:14 <DocScrutinizer> :nod:
Apr 30 12:55:16 <Zucca> So it must be that fatal move to test auto-disconnect back then.
Apr 30 12:55:25 <DocScrutinizer> indeed
Apr 30 12:55:39 <DocScrutinizer> at least you now know what's been the problem :-D
Apr 30 12:55:55 <DocScrutinizer> and you also know how to fix and how to avoid it in future
Apr 30 12:56:10 <Zucca> I sure hope that this isn't hw problem. :)
Apr 30 12:56:22 <DocScrutinizer> I also hope that
Apr 30 12:56:40 <Zucca> It it is... Then I might buy N9.
Apr 30 12:56:46 <Zucca> *If
Apr 30 12:56:57 <DocScrutinizer> we've seen a scary increase in frequency of reports related to hw failures in modem lately
Apr 30 12:57:30 <Zucca> Ok. :\
Apr 30 12:57:35 <DocScrutinizer> last victim been macer afaik
Apr 30 12:57:50 <DocScrutinizer> Macer: how's your SIM issue?
Apr 30 12:59:42 <Zucca> I't so sad that there's not much qwerty phones anymore. I can understand it when using tablet sized device. But it takes much patience to use OSD keyboard on phone sized device.
Apr 30 12:59:54 <Zucca> *It's
Apr 30 13:00:05 <DocScrutinizer> yes, indeed
Apr 30 13:00:27 <Zucca> Especially when the keyboard uses halt of the screen.
Apr 30 13:00:28 <DocScrutinizer> common sense in here is that there's no valid successor of N900 
Apr 30 13:00:30 <Zucca> *half
Apr 30 13:00:42 <Zucca> Sadly.
Apr 30 13:01:01 <Zucca> Ok. But I need to go now. \o
Apr 30 13:01:04 <DocScrutinizer> I'm busy buying the last *new* N900 worldwide ;-D
Apr 30 13:01:10 <DocScrutinizer> Zucca: seeya
Apr 30 13:18:30 <zeq> DocScrutinizer: when will you have enough??? okay I've already on my third N900... :/
Apr 30 13:18:55 <DocScrutinizer> same here :-D
Apr 30 13:19:22 <DocScrutinizer> well, not really - I'm still using #1 and #2, third one is spare
Apr 30 13:19:25 <zeq> got the first RMA'd
Apr 30 13:20:12 <zeq> would let me have another after that, fobbed me off with an E7 which the girlfriend got stolen!
Apr 30 13:20:50 <zeq> I had MicroUSB failure
Apr 30 13:20:56 <zeq> twice!
Apr 30 13:20:56 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, no more repair. That's why I'm searching for *new* spare devices now
Apr 30 13:21:16 <zeq> although the second one was iffy to start with :(
Apr 30 13:21:58 <DocScrutinizer> zeq: usb failure is a) known problem, b) on a certain percentage due to "mistreatment" by user, c) there's a preventive fix:
Apr 30 13:22:01 <DocScrutinizer> ~usbfix
Apr 30 13:22:02 <infobot> usbfix is probably http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater)
Apr 30 13:22:05 <zeq> Third one is holding up so far... I'm being *extra careful*
Apr 30 13:22:55 <zeq> If I'd known they wouldn't give me another I would have kept the broken one
Apr 30 13:23:10 <zeq> it was otherwise in perfect condition
Apr 30 13:24:09 <DocScrutinizer> indeed, never forget to write in BOLD: "I'LL NOT ACCEPT REPLACEMENTS BY ANY OTHER MODEL" on your RMA
Apr 30 13:24:37 <DocScrutinizer> after all it's *your* hardware, Nokia mustn't "steal" it
Apr 30 13:25:42 <DocScrutinizer> I'm actually surprised they haven't gotten sued all down the main road outa the town for doing this 
Apr 30 13:27:06 <DocScrutinizer> it's been "The Fall of Man err Nokia"
Apr 30 13:27:45 <zeq> they did. couldn't let me have it back apparently
Apr 30 13:28:03 <zeq> they did steal it I mean
Apr 30 13:28:14 <DocScrutinizer> after they started this scam, things gone downhill monotonically
Apr 30 13:28:32 <zeq> it's a sad, sad thing
Apr 30 13:29:18 * DocScrutinizer idly wonders if this "get a C? in replacement of your N900" actually started before or after Flop
Apr 30 13:30:27 <DocScrutinizer> it *smells* like Evilop anyway
Apr 30 13:31:08 <DocScrutinizer> perfectly inline with his other moves to ruin Nokia FOSS
Apr 30 13:36:41 <DocScrutinizer> zeq: You could still take it to court I guess
Apr 30 13:38:14 <zeq> I'm not really that litigateous (sp?)
Apr 30 13:40:10 <DocScrutinizer> if Nokia is 'losing' your device and can't deliver a perfect replacement (I.E. a definitely unused never overclocked N900 or 100% compatible and equivalent successor), you're entitled to full refund of cost for getting such replacement elsewhere, incl your working time for finding such replacement
Apr 30 13:41:28 <DocScrutinizer> currewntly there are such new replacements occasionally on ebay, for 590EUR
Apr 30 13:42:54 <DocScrutinizer> Nokia just dares to do this scam on us because nobody actually wants to take the hassle to sue them and ask for full refund
Apr 30 13:43:56 <zeq> It wouldn't have been an issue had they released the N950 or equiv. as originally planned
Apr 30 13:44:07 <DocScrutinizer> yep
Apr 30 13:44:20 <zeq> Damn Flop
Apr 30 13:44:26 <DocScrutinizer> see "100% compatible equivalent successor" note above
Apr 30 13:44:36 <zeq> wasn't arguing
Apr 30 13:45:49 <zeq> was a Zaurus user before the N900, disappointment there too...
Apr 30 13:46:22 <zeq> the SL-C3100 was almost a terrific device
Apr 30 13:48:08 <zeq> hampered by lack of VRAM.  The PXA270 was used without its companion GPU chip, which is okay in devices with QVGA, since it had 256Mb of SRAM which could be used as high speed framebuffer.
Apr 30 13:48:37 <zeq> With full VGA @16bpp that's a problem
Apr 30 13:49:41 <zeq> Sharp had the opportunity for a killer Linux device in the next iteration
Apr 30 13:50:12 <zeq> never happened, change of stragegy to WinCE
Apr 30 13:50:50 <zeq> (or whatever mobile Windows was at the time)
Apr 30 13:51:51 <zeq> I'm hopeful about Mer though...
Apr 30 13:52:13 <zeq> Looking like we might be having some nice new devices appearing
Apr 30 13:52:46 <SpeedEvil> I do wonder how locked the intel medfield devices will be.
Apr 30 13:52:50 <zeq> hopefully something Nokia Internet Tablet/Zaurus like
Apr 30 13:53:08 <SpeedEvil> Though I find it annoying that there seem to be no public datasheets for the CPUs in question
Apr 30 13:53:14 <SpeedEvil> - first phones are out now
Apr 30 13:53:25 <rm_work> man, I miss my Collie
Apr 30 13:53:52 <rm_work> I still have it somewhere... the battery is toast though, i think
Apr 30 14:08:13 <Macer> DocScrutinizer: don't know.. haven't put a sim in it in a few days
Apr 30 14:08:23 <Macer> i don't have the tmob sim anymore and pulling the att sim out of the l900 is a pain
Apr 30 14:08:41 <DocScrutinizer> :nod:
Apr 30 14:08:42 <Macer> i've been using the n900 as a nit
Apr 30 14:08:47 <Macer> no sim
Apr 30 14:09:08 <DocScrutinizer> you checked the dmesg/syslog for cmt reset events?
Apr 30 14:09:13 <Macer> yes
Apr 30 14:09:15 <Macer> and there were
Apr 30 14:09:20 <DocScrutinizer> :-/
Apr 30 14:09:21 <Macer> i forgot the exact error
Apr 30 14:09:26 <Macer> but it was a steady reset
Apr 30 14:09:49 <DocScrutinizer> final evidence for cmt/hw error
Apr 30 14:10:03 <Macer> and shoving paper into it wasn't helping anymore :-/
Apr 30 14:10:14 <Macer> DocScrutinizer: ah well.. after 2 n900s i am done ;) not going to get another one
Apr 30 14:10:27 <Macer> i'll use this one until i find a buyer willing to take it with a malfunctioning sim reader
Apr 30 14:10:27 <DocScrutinizer> I can feel with you
Apr 30 14:10:41 <DocScrutinizer> sorry to hear that anyway
Apr 30 14:10:44 <Macer> too bad because i love maemo
Apr 30 14:10:52 <DocScrutinizer> :nod:
Apr 30 14:10:53 <Macer> last of the true linux phones :(
Apr 30 14:11:04 <DocScrutinizer> maemo5, yes
Apr 30 14:11:32 <Macer> maybe if nokia gets its bank account back up to par with where it used to be it may try again
Apr 30 14:11:50 <Macer> or maybe some other company but i doubt it
Apr 30 14:11:50 <DocScrutinizer> no way
Apr 30 14:12:13 <DocScrutinizer> there won't be any movement to the better, until they finally lynched Evilop
Apr 30 14:12:21 <Macer> lol
Apr 30 14:12:28 <Macer> like i said.. maybe some other company
Apr 30 14:12:38 <Macer> i do hope some day to get mer/plasma active on my transformer
Apr 30 14:12:40 <DocScrutinizer> I'd very much like that
Apr 30 14:12:59 * DocScrutinizer idly wonders what happened to raterphone
Apr 30 14:13:02 <Macer> but looks like it is wp7, android, ios, and rim from here on out
Apr 30 14:13:04 <DocScrutinizer> rasterphone*
Apr 30 14:13:25 <Macer> unless for some reason someone decides to go off the reservation
Apr 30 14:13:42 <Macer> don't get me wrong. tbh... wp7 is actually well done
Apr 30 14:13:57 <DocScrutinizer> last fuzzy "threats" of raster to "wait and see what's coming" are quite a while back
Apr 30 14:14:04 <Macer> nokia did a good job with making a solid device with the l900
Apr 30 14:14:15 <Macer> and ms didn't do too bad of a job with teh OS
Apr 30 14:14:21 <Macer> but it's just Microsoft IOS ;)
Apr 30 14:14:34 <DocScrutinizer> oooh l900 aka hooker
Apr 30 14:14:36 <Macer> with a hint of android here and there heh
Apr 30 14:15:18 <Macer> believe it or not.. i think they stole the crappy way to rotate from maemo lol
Apr 30 14:15:42 * DocScrutinizer glares at hooker
Apr 30 14:15:46 <Macer> the tiles on the start screen stay in portrait ... then some apps rotate others don't :)
Apr 30 14:15:49 <Macer> it's chaos lol
Apr 30 14:16:05 <DocScrutinizer> the only device of the ensemble that's not powered up - guess why
Apr 30 14:16:24 <Macer> hooker?? :)
Apr 30 14:16:27 <Macer> lol
Apr 30 14:16:42 <Macer> we are talking about the lumia 900 right?
Apr 30 14:16:47 <DocScrutinizer> ~x es en lumia
Apr 30 14:16:50 <infobot> lumia
Apr 30 14:16:56 <DocScrutinizer> hmm
Apr 30 14:17:03 <DocScrutinizer> ~stupid bot
Apr 30 14:17:04 <infobot> Stupid human.
Apr 30 14:17:09 <Macer> haha
Apr 30 14:17:16 <Macer> ~x it en lumia
Apr 30 14:17:18 <infobot> lumia
Apr 30 14:17:25 <Macer> is lumia a made up word?
Apr 30 14:17:27 <Macer> heh
Apr 30 14:17:38 <DocScrutinizer> no, it's the spanish word for hooker
Apr 30 14:17:47 <Macer> uhm
Apr 30 14:18:14 <Macer> no it isn't lol
Apr 30 14:18:35 <DocScrutinizer> pretty figurative for a Nokia hw running M$ OS
Apr 30 14:18:43 <Macer> haha
Apr 30 14:18:55 <Macer> ah wel.. i'm going to take a nap. but yeah.. n900 is toast
Apr 30 14:19:06 <Macer> i haven't used it as a phone in over a week :/
Apr 30 14:19:11 <Macer> ttyl
Apr 30 14:19:14 <DocScrutinizer> o/
Apr 30 14:20:05 <DocScrutinizer> http://www.wordmagicsoft.com/dictionary/es-en/lumia.php
Apr 30 14:20:45 <DocScrutinizer> >>Anybody at Nokia speak Spanish? "Lumia" = "hooker" << http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3161850
Apr 30 14:22:02 <jaska> didnt they have a commercial in germany that said effectively "work will set you free", or is that apocryphal?
Apr 30 14:27:37 <r00t|home> that's not from a commercial...
Apr 30 14:27:51 <r00t|home> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbeit_macht_frei
Apr 30 14:28:03 <DocScrutinizer> "Arbeit macht frei" is quite biased here
Apr 30 14:28:16 <r00t|home> nazis put it at the entrances of concentration camps...
Apr 30 14:28:26 <DocScrutinizer> >>Kuga (Ford's SUV) in Slovenian means bubonic plague. And it seems that does not stop people buying them here :) And I, for one, would gladly say "let me check with my hooker if I'm free tomorrow" :)<<  LOL
Apr 30 15:02:39 <jaska> honda also marketed a "fitta" in scandinavia
Apr 30 15:02:45 <jaska> which is pretty close to cunt in swedish
Apr 30 15:03:02 <jaska> i meant nokia commercial in germany that was close to arbeit macht frei
Apr 30 15:14:48 <cuppsy> Random question: anyone try or use Dvorak with their N900?
Apr 30 15:16:24 <joga> heh, mitsubishi has an suv model called 'pajero', which is apparently 'wanker' in spanish
Apr 30 15:58:27 <luke-jr> cuppsy: kinda pointless
Apr 30 15:58:30 <luke-jr> …
Apr 30 16:22:37 <spark666> hey DocScrutinizer sup?:)
Apr 30 16:30:25 <jaska> i think some vw transporter is perspano in spain
Apr 30 16:30:31 <jaska> which would mean assfuck in finnish?
Apr 30 16:36:36 <r00t|home> "Several modern advertising campaigns in the German language, including ads for Nokia, REWE grocery stores, Burger King, and Merkur Bank have been marred by controversy after using the phrase Jedem das Seine or Jedem den Seinen." -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jedem_das_Seine
Apr 30 17:09:42 <Itschue> hello
Apr 30 17:10:01 <Itschue> doscrutinizer are you here
Apr 30 17:20:42 <andre__> Itschue: if you want to ping people you better spell their name correctly
Apr 30 17:26:41 <Itschue> docscrutinizer
Apr 30 18:01:56 <spark666> its there a difference between armel and arm?
Apr 30 18:04:05 <merlin1991> spark666: usually arm is short for armel ;)
Apr 30 18:09:49 <spark666> merlin1991: tnx,didnt knew that..so n900 use arm :)
Apr 30 18:10:04 <spark666> nice!
Apr 30 18:10:04 <zeq> spark666: arm can be little endian or big endian, arm just doesn't specify
Apr 30 18:10:50 <spark666> so basically if i search for a arm .deb i can use it on n900? :P
Apr 30 18:12:18 <merlin1991> .deb files have armel 
Apr 30 18:12:29 <merlin1991> (in the filename)
Apr 30 18:13:01 <merlin1991> but you've got a big repo on maemo.org anyway, there's quite a lot of stuff in it
Apr 30 18:13:11 <spark666> merlin1991: so xxx-armel.deb right? or it works whit xxx-arm.deb to?
Apr 30 18:13:49 <merlin1991> xxx_armel.deb, and keep in mind that when you get debs compiled for other libs you can still run into problems
Apr 30 18:13:55 <spark666> yeah i know about the repo but i allways lloking for new stuffs :P
Apr 30 18:14:35 <spark666> looking*
Apr 30 18:14:42 <spark666> yeah i know that
Apr 30 18:30:11 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer, Pali, https://gitorious.org/libbmeipc/libbmeipc
Apr 30 18:31:30 <Pali> ok, nice to hear
Apr 30 18:32:06 <DocScrutinizer> still busy proofreading Pali's stuff
Apr 30 18:32:07 <freemangordon> the only one complaining about that lib is hald-addon-bme(stock one) ;)
Apr 30 18:33:09 <freemangordon> and this one returns hardoced 30 deg for temperature :D
Apr 30 18:33:23 <freemangordon> *hardcoded
Apr 30 18:33:47 <freemangordon> will implement getting the real value tomorrow
Apr 30 18:45:52 <DocScrutinizer> freemangordon: temperature of what?
Apr 30 18:46:03 <freemangordon> battery
Apr 30 18:46:20 <DocScrutinizer> you're planning to use the right sensor for that?
Apr 30 18:46:24 <freemangordon> yep
Apr 30 18:46:29 <DocScrutinizer> (rhetorical quation)
Apr 30 18:46:33 <freemangordon> why not
Apr 30 18:46:35 <DocScrutinizer> question*
Apr 30 18:46:56 <freemangordon> I plan to use the temp that bq module exports through sysfs
Apr 30 18:47:05 <DocScrutinizer> because most ignorants think it's temperature as of bq27200
Apr 30 18:47:32 <freemangordon> didn't understand you
Apr 30 18:48:14 <freemangordon> AFAIK the temperature which bq27200 reports is battery temperature
Apr 30 18:48:28 <freemangordon> correct?
Apr 30 18:51:14 <DocScrutinizer> nope
Apr 30 18:51:31 <DocScrutinizer> see my last post
Apr 30 18:51:51 <freemangordon> on TMO?
Apr 30 18:52:13 <DocScrutinizer> battery temperature sensor is ADCIN0 of GAIA
Apr 30 18:52:44 <DocScrutinizer> temperature of bq27200 is meaningless
Apr 30 18:53:04 <DocScrutinizer> it's just the die temperature of a random chip somewhere on mainboard
Apr 30 18:53:15 <freemangordon> aaah, ok. iirc it is exported through sysfs too, but I can't remember where :(
Apr 30 18:54:27 <freemangordon> anyway, I finished for today, will continue tomorrow. 
Apr 30 18:54:57 * freemangordon is far afk
Apr 30 18:59:47 <DocScrutinizer> even while freemangordon is far afk, just some background for the interested public: bq27200 chip has builtin temp sensor, which is meant to report battery temperature if and only if the chip is integrated into battery (like e.g. on Openmoko GTA02 smart battery) - on N900 however this bq27200 is *not* in battery but rather somewhere on mainboard where the chip's die temperature is completely unrelated to battery temperature
Apr 30 19:00:26 <freemangordon> "/sys/devices/platform/omap34xx_temp" ?
Apr 30 19:00:43 <DocScrutinizer> I guess that's the brokem CPU temperature sensor
Apr 30 19:00:56 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizeryeah
Apr 30 19:00:59 <DocScrutinizer> It's under /dev/*twl4030*/* iirc
Apr 30 19:01:06 <SpeedEvil> It works for some processors
Apr 30 19:01:12 <SpeedEvil> Not mine
Apr 30 19:01:24 <DocScrutinizer> for mine it works until it freezes
Apr 30 19:01:35 <DocScrutinizer> not like "freezing water"
Apr 30 19:01:56 <DocScrutinizer> but like "it locks and doesn't change anymore"
Apr 30 19:02:13 <freemangordon> could it be buggy driver?
Apr 30 19:02:25 <DocScrutinizer> IIRC it'S a silicon erratum
Apr 30 19:02:45 <SpeedEvil> freemangordon: They removed the temp sensor references on the next datasheet, and said 'doesn't work' in the forums
Apr 30 19:03:02 <DocScrutinizer> they = TI
Apr 30 19:04:07 <DocScrutinizer> freemangordon: /dev/twl4030-adc
Apr 30 19:04:28 <DocScrutinizer> beware! there are like 8 ADC channels
Apr 30 19:05:04 <DocScrutinizer> you prolly wanna look up the driver source
Apr 30 19:06:35 <DocScrutinizer> ADCIN4 is BSI (battery resistor)
Apr 30 19:10:17 <DocScrutinizer> you'll probably need ioctl to read them
Apr 30 19:10:33 <freemangordon> yeah, I saw that
Apr 30 19:10:37 <freemangordon> thanks
Apr 30 19:11:17 <freemangordon> maybe i should use the same in hald-addon-bme
Apr 30 19:26:13 <bennypr0fane> Hello, does aynone how I can find out whcih version of U-Boot i have installed?
Apr 30 19:26:54 <bennypr0fane> I'm not sure it's the latest one
Apr 30 19:27:20 <bennypr0fane> I have Nokia kernel since I installed it, but I want Power kernel back
Apr 30 19:30:53 <DocScrutinizer> you need uboot+powerkernel, they are a "couple"
Apr 30 19:31:47 <DocScrutinizer> I.E. it's basically a kernel with implanted uBoot, and you only can flash the complete kernel (incl the uBoot part)
Apr 30 19:32:00 <bennypr0fane> that's new to me
Apr 30 19:32:24 <bennypr0fane> bcause when I installed Uboot, it flashed my kernel
Apr 30 19:32:39 <DocScrutinizer> so?
Apr 30 19:32:53 <DocScrutinizer> isn't that exactly in line with what I said above?
Apr 30 19:32:59 <bennypr0fane> I thought that I had to do that and then reflash power kernel to get both
Apr 30 19:33:19 <DocScrutinizer> no, when you flash powerkernel, it will nuke uboot
Apr 30 19:33:19 <bennypr0fane> I didn't know there was like a coupled package
Apr 30 19:33:25 <bennypr0fane> oh
Apr 30 19:33:32 <bennypr0fane> :-D
Apr 30 19:33:37 <bennypr0fane> it's kinda funny
Apr 30 19:33:52 <DocScrutinizer> it's kinda the only way to implement it
Apr 30 19:33:52 <bennypr0fane> so how can I do this
Apr 30 19:34:13 <DocScrutinizer> you need uboot for powerkernel, or sth like that
Apr 30 19:34:33 <bennypr0fane> because before you said they're a couple, but they both remove each other :-)
Apr 30 19:34:33 <DocScrutinizer> which correctly should be named "ubot *with* powerkernel"
Apr 30 19:34:44 <bennypr0fane> hmhmhm...
Apr 30 19:36:06 <bennypr0fane> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81613
Apr 30 19:36:30 <bennypr0fane> the instructions in this thread are not leaving me any wiser
Apr 30 19:37:00 <bennypr0fane> I can't see a package "combined" with power kernel
Apr 30 19:37:21 <bennypr0fane> it just says you can create it yourself, or you can make dualboot
Apr 30 19:37:42 <bennypr0fane> but I think by combined they actually mean 2 kernels
Apr 30 19:37:59 <bennypr0fane> I don't want 2 kernels, no dualboot
Apr 30 19:38:11 <bennypr0fane> just Uboot and power v50
Apr 30 19:39:41 <bennypr0fane> and here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=83118&
Apr 30 19:40:12 <bennypr0fane> it says "needed packages" from Uboot: U-Boot support (optional):
Apr 30 19:40:12 <bennypr0fane>  First from U-Boot for Nokia RX-51 with BootMenu thread install needed U-Boot packages. Then in Hildon Application Manager install package Linux kernel for power user (boot image for multiboot)
Apr 30 19:40:12 <bennypr0fane>  Or via apt-get package kernel-power-bootimg
Apr 30 19:41:28 <bennypr0fane> do I need to get this boot image first, or do I do something to Uboot first?
Apr 30 19:45:59 <DocScrutinizer> bennypr0fane: ok, seems I've been wrong, the thread leaves me thinking uBoot loads kernel from NAND root partition form /boot/zImage
Apr 30 19:46:00 <bennypr0fane> bcause latest Uboot is from 28 April, and I installed it way before that...
Apr 30 19:46:14 <bennypr0fane> ah
Apr 30 19:46:47 <Pali> if you want kernel power and u-boot, first install u-boot from thread and then install kernel-power-bootimg package
Apr 30 19:47:11 <bennypr0fane> Pali will that work with any version of Uboot?
Apr 30 19:47:16 <DocScrutinizer> so in fact (if that's correct now) uBoot *replaces* "normal" kernel, and you need a special zImage kernel instead, that's loaded by uBoot then
Apr 30 19:47:17 <Pali> no
Apr 30 19:47:27 <Pali> only with my last
Apr 30 19:47:33 <bennypr0fane> because I'm not sure which version I have now
Apr 30 19:47:42 <bennypr0fane> how do I make sure?
Apr 30 19:47:49 <DocScrutinizer> Pali: where from is uBoot loading the "stock" kernel?
Apr 30 19:48:01 <DocScrutinizer> GeneralAntilles: HEYA°!
Apr 30 19:48:17 <Pali> my u-booy image has attached zImage into u-boot binary
Apr 30 19:48:24 <Pali> and u-boot binary is flashed into NAND
Apr 30 19:48:32 <Pali> *default stock zImage
Apr 30 19:48:55 <Pali> other kernels can be booted, if have proper /etc/bootmenu.d/ entry
Apr 30 19:49:14 <Pali> and kernel-power-bootimg has that needed entry
Apr 30 19:49:31 <DocScrutinizer> so still uBoot+kernel live in mtd1 ?
Apr 30 19:49:38 <Pali> yes
Apr 30 19:49:54 <DocScrutinizer> ok, then I was right first
Apr 30 19:50:04 <DocScrutinizer> at least in that regard
Apr 30 19:50:27 <Pali> I think it is still good idea to have one working kernel (stock pr1.3) attached to u-boot binary
Apr 30 19:50:40 <DocScrutinizer> is uboot pkg building this combo on device, or are you shipping prebuilt pkgs?
Apr 30 19:50:51 <Pali> so if you drop/remove other kernel zimages, stock will always boot
Apr 30 19:51:12 <DocScrutinizer> sure, otherwise no recover after fiasco flashing
Apr 30 19:51:21 <Pali> I only ship u-boot+stock which is enaought
Apr 30 19:51:31 <DocScrutinizer> :nod:
Apr 30 19:51:37 <Pali> but this u-boot has Bootmenu
Apr 30 19:51:40 <DocScrutinizer> so how would you boot KP?
Apr 30 19:51:47 <Pali> read thread
Apr 30 19:51:51 <Pali> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81613
Apr 30 19:51:56 <DocScrutinizer> it's a bit confusing
Apr 30 19:51:59 <DocScrutinizer> :-)
Apr 30 19:52:02 <Pali> u-boot can load zImage from eMMC
Apr 30 19:52:04 <Pali> or SD card
Apr 30 19:52:08 <GeneralAntilles> gdda eyard is re
Apr 30 19:52:37 <DocScrutinizer> ~rot13 gdda eyard is re
Apr 30 19:52:37 <infobot> tqqn rlneq vf er
Apr 30 19:52:38 <Pali> if you create bootmenu entry and run u-boot-update-bootmenu, u-boot will create nice bootmenu
Apr 30 19:52:43 <GeneralAntilles> Stupid goddamn keyboard is broken
Apr 30 19:52:46 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, nope, no rot13
Apr 30 19:52:50 <bennypr0fane> :-D
Apr 30 19:52:53 <GeneralAntilles> This is the 3rd Unicomp board I've had die like that
Apr 30 19:53:00 <GeneralAntilles> One series of keys stops responding.
Apr 30 19:53:33 <bennypr0fane> General ANtilles i thought u were speaking a foregin language :-)
Apr 30 19:53:47 <DocScrutinizer> Pali: I still fail to understand what are the steps to get uBoot+KP
Apr 30 19:53:57 <bennypr0fane> Pali me too
Apr 30 19:54:12 <Pali> drop kp zImage to /boot, drop menu item to /etc/bootmenu.d/ and run u-boot-update-bootmenu
Apr 30 19:54:20 <DocScrutinizer> ahaaa
Apr 30 19:54:22 <DocScrutinizer> :-D
Apr 30 19:54:23 <Pali> kernel-power-bootimg will do that
Apr 30 19:54:33 <bennypr0fane> Uboot is not in Appmanager, so I cant' see the verison number there
Apr 30 19:54:35 <DocScrutinizer> okidoki :-)
Apr 30 19:55:32 <bennypr0fane> Pali: could you translate that to "dumb user"-speak?
Apr 30 19:55:35 <Pali> u-boot-update-bootmenu is script which create u-boot bootmenu script in MyDocs/ and when starting u-boot it try to load & run that script
Apr 30 19:56:14 <Pali> bennypr0fane, if you want u-boot with kp, just install u-boot from that thread and after that install package kernel-power-bootimg from Extras-Testing
Apr 30 19:56:30 <Pali> no more steps is needed
Apr 30 19:56:41 <bennypr0fane> but that means I have to remove my curretn Uboot first, right?
Apr 30 19:56:47 <Pali> yes
Apr 30 19:57:13 <bennypr0fane> how to remove it?
Apr 30 19:57:24 <Pali> first flash stock kernel
Apr 30 19:57:41 <Pali> then check installed u-boot packages and remove them
Apr 30 19:57:54 <bennypr0fane> stock kernel is in place
Apr 30 19:58:17 <bennypr0fane> what command can I use to see waht I have installed?
Apr 30 19:58:24 <Pali> flash stock kernel: $ sudo apt-get install --reinstall kernel kernel-modules kernel-flasher
Apr 30 19:58:58 <Pali> show installed u-boot packages: $ dpkg -l *u-boot* *uboot* | grep ^ii
Apr 30 19:59:26 <Pali> remove packages: $ dpkg -P packages
Apr 30 20:00:26 <bennypr0fane> why the need to flash stock kernel first if I already have it installed?
Apr 30 20:00:50 <bennypr0fane> flashing successful...
Apr 30 20:02:51 <bennypr0fane> that's weird
Apr 30 20:03:08 <bennypr0fane> it says no packages found matching *u-boot*
Apr 30 20:04:53 <bennypr0fane> Pali is there a typo?
Apr 30 20:05:13 <Pali> and *uboot* too?
Apr 30 20:06:45 <bennypr0fane> can I run both commands in 1 row?
Apr 30 20:06:51 <bennypr0fane> or 1 after the other?
Apr 30 20:07:47 <bennypr0fane> dpkg -l *uboot* gives a lot of funny output
Apr 30 20:11:46 <bennypr0fane> Pali: would you mind taking a look? http://pastebin.com/e3yS2zUk
Apr 30 20:14:55 <bennypr0fane> I dunno... could it be Uboot was removed by flashing the kernel?
Apr 30 20:15:03 <bennypr0fane> it seems to be gone now
Apr 30 20:15:34 <bennypr0fane> thi sis so weird
Apr 30 20:15:49 <Pali> bennypr0fane, that package is not installed
Apr 30 20:15:55 <Pali> needs ^ii
Apr 30 20:16:04 <Pali> ^ii means installed
Apr 30 20:19:03 <bennypr0fane> so uboot is not present right now on my N900?
Apr 30 20:19:54 <bennypr0fane> oh, so I DO have to run that as 1 command...?
Apr 30 20:30:06 <ShadowJK> installing "normal" power kernel or nokia kernel will overwrite uboot
Apr 30 20:34:04 <bennypr0fane> ShadowJK nice
Apr 30 20:34:17 <bennypr0fane> that explains how it disappeared
Apr 30 20:34:45 <bennypr0fane> meaning I can now safely install the newer uboot?
Apr 30 20:38:32 <bennypr0fane> well, at least it won't eat my brain anymore...
Apr 30 20:39:14 <bennypr0fane> I can't install u-boot-tools
Apr 30 20:39:21 <bennypr0fane> it says not compatible
Apr 30 20:56:43 <Pali> bennypr0fane, what?
Apr 30 20:58:23 <peterbjornx> hello
Apr 30 21:03:32 <bennypr0fane> Pali: for u-boot-tools I get an error message saying installation not possible, package is not compatible
Apr 30 21:04:01 <Pali> run in xterm as root: dpkg -i <deb_package> 
Apr 30 21:11:39 <bennypr0fane> Pali: http://pastebin.com/6XmkRuyc#
Apr 30 21:11:47 <bennypr0fane> no
Apr 30 21:11:49 <bennypr0fane> http://pastebin.com/6XmkRuyc
Apr 30 21:12:08 <Pali> cannot access archive: No such file or directory
Apr 30 21:12:14 <bennypr0fane> output from dpkg
Apr 30 21:12:16 <Pali> you specified invalid file
Apr 30 21:13:12 <Pali> ping NIN101
Apr 30 21:13:17 <bennypr0fane> do I need to enter the complete path to the package?
Apr 30 21:13:22 <Pali> yes
Apr 30 21:13:32 <Pali> if it is not in current directory
Apr 30 21:14:21 <Pali> NIN101, can you include into rescueOS my script which recreate files in /dev/ ?
Apr 30 21:15:27 <NIN101> Pali: of course
Apr 30 21:15:58 <NIN101> Pali: url?
Apr 30 21:16:03 <Pali> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1198604#post1198604
Apr 30 21:16:26 <Pali> script needs to be run on maemo rootfs (because use absolute paths)
Apr 30 21:17:05 <bennypr0fane> Pali: Yay, installing uboot succesful!
Apr 30 21:17:19 <Pali> bennypr0fane, ok
Apr 30 21:17:46 <bennypr0fane> now for the power kernel....
Apr 30 21:18:12 <Pali> do not forget to install also u-boot-flasher package
Apr 30 21:18:54 <peterbjornx> uboot is really a must have if your usb is broken 
Apr 30 21:19:04 <bennypr0fane> Pali right, thanks...
Apr 30 21:19:37 <bennypr0fane> is sdone
Apr 30 21:20:10 <bennypr0fane> now I need kernel-power-bootimg?
Apr 30 21:20:12 <peterbjornx> without uboot my n900 would have been scrap
Apr 30 21:21:31 <Pali> bennypr0fane, yes: sudo apt-get install kernel-power-bootimg
Apr 30 21:23:48 <peterbjornx> :o
Apr 30 21:24:16 <peterbjornx> btw, im working on my whatsapp port, and i need someone to debug group conversations with
Apr 30 21:25:13 <bennypr0fane> Pali: I need to reboot after that?
Apr 30 21:25:31 <Pali> before reboot run: u-boot-update-bootmenu
Apr 30 21:25:52 <Pali> of cource, you need to reboot for booting other kernel :)
Apr 30 21:27:42 <bennypr0fane> Pali: so I'm hoping this went well: http://pastebin.com/Arv0p3A3
Apr 30 21:29:57 <bennypr0fane> Pali: btw is i true the issue with bluetooth headsets is fixed in v.50?
Apr 30 21:30:39 <Pali> bennypr0fane, I'm using my Creative WP-350 bluetooth headset with kp v50 without any problems
Apr 30 21:33:27 <bennypr0fane> this last line is worrying me a bit: "Warning: Item file has obsolated option ITEM_USEATAG. Change it to ITEM_REUSEATAGS Adding bootmenu entry for: 'Maemo 5 with kernel-power 2.6.28.10-power50'"
Apr 30 21:33:36 <Pali> bennypr0fane, ignore it
Apr 30 21:33:43 <bennypr0fane> ok.
Apr 30 21:33:48 <Pali> new u-boot has renamed that config variable
Apr 30 21:33:51 <bennypr0fane> So I just go ahead and reboot
Apr 30 21:34:00 <Pali> but old name should also work
Apr 30 21:34:05 <bennypr0fane> is safe now?
Apr 30 21:34:18 <Pali> I think yes
Apr 30 21:34:37 <NIN101> hmm, maemo kernel doesn't come with devtmpfs?
Apr 30 21:34:49 <Pali> NIN101, yes
Apr 30 21:35:01 <NIN101> anyway, uploading
Apr 30 21:35:13 <Pali> but before it mount devtmpfs some parts of /sbin/preinit needs correct /dev structure
Apr 30 21:35:25 <Pali> e.g. /dev/null /dev/zero /dev/urandom ...
Apr 30 21:35:54 <Pali> and also /dev/console
Apr 30 21:36:04 <bennypr0fane> Pali do you know if I can use this new Uboot same as old one for booting Nemo from SDcard?
Apr 30 21:36:13 <Pali> if /dev/console is missing /sbin/preinit does not start
Apr 30 21:36:42 <Pali> bennypr0fane, you need to write menu item file
Apr 30 21:37:11 <Pali> see that u-boot thread, there are examples of item files
Apr 30 21:37:18 <bennypr0fane> and AWESOME NEWS about the bt issue! I'm so happy to hear this!
Apr 30 21:37:30 <bennypr0fane> ok. Where is that file located?
Apr 30 21:38:42 <Pali> thread: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81613
Apr 30 21:38:42 <Pali> examples: http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/u-boot/u-boot-images_2012.04-1.tar.gz
Apr 30 21:39:21 <bennypr0fane> thank you!
Apr 30 21:41:19 <bennypr0fane> it seems it's still booting the stock kernel
Apr 30 21:41:40 <bennypr0fane> How I can tell which kernel has been booted?
Apr 30 21:42:47 <NIN101> Pali: new version is up: http://206.253.166.96/N900/rescueOS/ (untested)
Apr 30 21:43:56 <NIN101> with a typo in the script, sigh... 
Apr 30 21:44:04 <NIN101> (my fault)
Apr 30 21:45:44 <Pali> bennypr0fane, boot with open keyboard
Apr 30 21:45:50 <Pali> and choose kernel
Apr 30 21:45:56 <Pali> which you want to boot
Apr 30 21:46:20 <bennypr0fane> can make it always boot power kernel by default?
Apr 30 21:46:31 <Pali> not possible yet
Apr 30 21:47:53 <Pali> DocScrutinizer, did you looked at my bq kernel driver?
Apr 30 21:49:03 <bennypr0fane> yay! power kernel booted!
Apr 30 22:05:49 <DocScrutinizer> Pali: up to line 386
Apr 30 22:06:18 <DocScrutinizer> Pali: s/vender/vendor/g;s/VENDER/VENDOR/g
Apr 30 22:07:16 <Itschue> hi docscrutinizer
Apr 30 22:07:25 <Hurrian> Pali, selecting default kernel can be done in yet another config, right?
Apr 30 22:07:25 <DocScrutinizer> Pali: also I thought about deducing *SHIFT constants form *MASK, by counting the rightside 0s (there's an ARM opcode for that)
Apr 30 22:07:40 <Hurrian> 00-bootmenu-config.item or something
Apr 30 22:07:54 <DocScrutinizer> hi it
Apr 30 22:07:54 <Pali> DocScrutinizer, vender (not vendor), see http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/bq24150.pdf
Apr 30 22:08:58 <DocScrutinizer> dang, TI fools
Apr 30 22:09:06 <DocScrutinizer> ~spell vender
Apr 30 22:09:07 <infobot> possible spellings for vender: vend er vend-er vendor Bender bender vend vended veneer fender gender lender mender render sender tender veined Wonder wander winder wonder vent endear vined Wendie vender's vendors vernier wend Vader Verde vends venue vendor's
Apr 30 22:09:30 <Itschue> the not reachable repo was a problem with the router. because @home and mobile network everythign is fine
Apr 30 22:09:32 <DocScrutinizer> ~dict vender
Apr 30 22:09:34 <infobot> Dictionary 'vender' (2): \Vend"er\, n. [From {Vend}: cf. F. vendeur, OF. vendeor. Cf. {Vendor}.] One who vends; one who transfers the exclusive right of possessing a thing, either his own, or that of another as his agent, for a price or pecuniary equivalent; a seller; a vendor. [1913 Webster] ;; someone who promotes or exchanges goods or services for money .
Apr 30 22:09:47 <DocScrutinizer> ~dict vendor
Apr 30 22:09:49 <infobot> Dictionary 'vendor' (2 of 3): arab, automat, cadger, chapman, cheap-jack, cheap-john, cheapjack, coin machine, coin-operated machine, colporteur, coster, costermonger, duffer, hawker, higgler, huckster, peddler, roadman, sidewalk salesman, slot machine, vending machine ;; someone who promotes or exchanges goods or services for money .
Apr 30 22:10:08 <DocScrutinizer> *sigh*
Apr 30 22:10:36 <DocScrutinizer> ~spell vendor
Apr 30 22:10:37 <infobot> 'vendor' may be spelled correctly
Apr 30 22:10:52 <Pali> http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/vendor?q=vender
Apr 30 22:11:04 <Pali> (US also vender)
Apr 30 22:11:28 <DocScrutinizer> bloody yankees
Apr 30 22:11:44 <Pali> seems that both is correct :)
Apr 30 22:12:17 <DocScrutinizer> well, I'll continue proofreading tomorrow
Apr 30 22:12:24 <DocScrutinizer> today is boozetime
Apr 30 22:12:30 <DocScrutinizer> ~weather EDDN 
Apr 30 22:12:33 <infobot> Nuernberg, Germany; (EDDN) 49-30N 011-03E 318M; last updated: 2012.04.30 2150 UTC; Dew Point: 51 F (11 C); Pressure (altimeter): 29.85 in. Hg (1011 hPa); Relative Humidity: 63%; Temperature: 64 F (18 C); Visibility: greater than 7 mile(s); Wind: from the ENE (060 degrees) at 7 MPH (6 KT)
Apr 30 22:14:29 <Pali> Hurrian, In next version I will choose some way to specifing default entry
Apr 30 22:16:09 <DocScrutinizer> ~botsnack
Apr 30 22:16:09 <infobot> :), DocScrutinizer
Apr 30 22:17:28 <Hurrian> Pali: cool!
May 01 00:37:25 <Pali> Hurrian, for specifing u-boot menu entry as first, see post: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1199785#post1199785
May 01 00:56:32 <Hurrian> ooh, that's cool, pali
May 01 00:56:44 <Hurrian> with regards to reading config when slide is closed
May 01 00:56:57 <Hurrian> since we're missing a place for u-boot to store config
May 01 00:57:28 <Hurrian> shouldn't u-boot read bootmenu.scr every boot, closed slide or not, and only show bootmenu when slide is open
May 01 01:18:56 * DocScrutinizer idly wonders what might be Pali's native language
May 01 01:20:29 <DocScrutinizer> more often than not I think "duh, did he really mean what I understood?" Example: >>This behaviour must be changed in u-boot binary.<<  I *think* >>This behaviour *can* be changed *only* in u-boot binary.<<
May 01 01:21:11 <DocScrutinizer> if it *must* be changed, then don't talk, Pali, change it!
May 01 01:24:35 <DocScrutinizer> I'd be more than happy to proofread relevant posts, and tell you what I understood from what you wrote
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