**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue May 08 03:00:02 2012 May 08 07:30:07 ~seen MohammadAG May 08 07:30:55 Thou dare summon me? May 08 07:30:55 :p May 08 07:31:47 long time May 08 07:31:57 still studing CS? May 08 07:32:06 Mechina now May 08 07:32:14 where? May 08 07:32:20 Technion May 08 07:32:25 nice May 08 07:32:27 How's life? May 08 07:32:55 started a new job, bought the N9 May 08 07:33:06 miss the N900 May 08 07:33:24 and was hoping to solve some issues, and write something May 08 07:33:42 I need to get a job... May 08 07:33:47 seems the N9 has a bug when you define two gmail accounts May 08 07:34:03 Ive yet to try that May 08 07:34:04 Willing to come to Herzeliya? May 08 07:34:29 Hmm, depends on times :p May 08 07:34:30 what is the state of N900 development? May 08 07:34:34 Why? May 08 07:34:42 did most folks ditched it? May 08 07:35:14 If I could get the mail for exchange on the N900 I would return to it May 08 07:35:41 maybe developers moved to tizen May 08 07:35:42 o May 08 07:35:55 you should apply at Intel to work on Tizen May 08 07:35:59 Nope, it's still going May 08 07:36:03 at Haifa May 08 07:36:05 matam May 08 07:36:20 what is going? May 08 07:36:24 How? I have no certs May 08 07:36:33 not relevent IMO May 08 07:36:38 want my help? May 08 07:37:08 Hmm May 08 07:37:26 The site says you need to have some sort of cert May 08 07:39:08 what was your last contrib to maemo? May 08 07:40:02 Sociality-mtf May 08 08:08:33 hi florian May 08 08:08:49 good morning May 08 08:08:52 o/ May 08 08:08:58 how are you doing? May 08 08:09:02 * chem|st yawns May 08 08:09:18 Moo chem|st May 08 08:09:34 I just asked MohammadAG if anyone is still developing for maemo May 08 08:09:44 or did all developers moved to tizen May 08 08:10:01 just as its been a while since I have been here May 08 08:11:00 I was hoping to write some usefull programs, which I didnt get a chance to May 08 08:11:15 and the N9 seems more hard to develop on May 08 08:11:34 moo MohammadAG May 08 08:11:37 Hmm, writing a UI for a grid of images seems fun May 08 08:11:59 Im pretty sure there's yet to be a 2010, 2011, or 2012 equivilant to the trusty N900 May 08 08:12:11 CityofLights2: yeah it's been a while May 08 08:12:30 <- Dat username May 08 08:12:32 if there is a confrence soon - I will be glad to come May 08 08:12:42 fosdem is only at feb May 08 08:13:19 I was also looking to ask the "community" did webos open source have any impact? May 08 08:13:32 was there any usefull code there? May 08 08:15:04 What's the % operation? May 08 08:15:12 I wish I could take the mail for exchange code and use it on maemo May 08 08:15:21 modulu? May 08 08:15:29 user: I doubt they hurry nevertheless it seems "captain obvious" that they are recovering on Qt May 08 08:15:32 7%2=1 May 08 09:10:44 re May 08 09:29:43 ~7%2 May 08 09:30:07 sigh May 08 09:30:23 moo DocScrutinizer May 08 09:30:29 moo May 08 09:30:35 Yeah, it's modulo, I just didn't understand why it was used May 08 09:30:48 Figured it out though May 08 09:37:21 * DocScrutinizer hates netsplits May 08 09:42:16 Meanwhile: May 08 09:42:28 http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/08/tizen-developer-phone-appears-complete-with-4-3-inch-screen-and/ May 08 09:48:01 >> The HTML5 apps themselves however, tended to lag a bit...<< HRHRHRR May 08 09:48:53 That tends to happen with web apps May 08 09:49:14 ohnoes, webapps? May 08 09:49:20 But I can say I was surprised May 08 09:49:33 HTML5 apps are web apps May 08 09:49:49 not necessarily May 08 09:49:59 will tizen run Qt applications? May 08 09:50:09 No, afaik May 08 09:50:27 apples first shot were webapps afaik May 08 09:50:37 no cnnectivity, no app starting May 08 09:50:59 they soon found out that doesn't work May 08 09:51:04 They quickly realized that sucked and introduced apps in ios 2 May 08 09:51:40 And how many companies did the same mistake? Nokia May 08 09:52:09 Symbian's ovi store and MeeGo's are full of shitty web apps May 08 09:54:00 well, meego and webapps? maybe maps and drive May 08 09:54:39 No no no May 08 09:54:57 Check the store May 08 09:55:09 It's filled with rss feeds made into apps May 08 09:55:18 so what May 08 09:55:28 an rss feed IS a web app May 08 09:56:12 fremantle has fahrplan May 08 09:56:18 But you don't have to fill the store with them! May 08 09:56:22 and I have to say I like it, nevertheless May 08 09:57:37 still fahrplan is not exactly what I'd call a webapp May 08 09:57:59 it's a python(?) app using a webservice May 08 09:58:43 pretty much everything I used on the n900 required an internet connection May 08 09:59:16 the only real non web application I used was openoffice :D May 08 09:59:50 which I again used to check attached word docs on company mails, thus using an internet connection again May 08 09:59:51 well, there's still a difference if you select IRC servers in xchat's own dialog, or if you have to download a dialog as html-code from web May 08 09:59:57 I used the gasoline consumption tracker tool May 08 10:00:01 yeah that's true May 08 10:00:03 haven't found one for n9 yet.. May 08 10:02:39 flux: hit me up with the package name please :) May 08 10:02:51 Morning, all May 08 10:03:05 hi Jaffa_ May 08 10:03:34 merlin1991, fuelpad May 08 10:05:28 Jaffa_: would you be willing to support my struggle to keep apps out of CSSU? It's a constant PITA users think CSSU should include this or that new app-replacement, usual rationale: "otherwise not enough users will test it" :-/ May 08 10:06:03 btw even some devels are rather keen in that regard May 08 10:06:15 Sigh, again? May 08 10:07:36 hey Jaffa_ May 08 10:09:14 seems sometimes common sense doesn't exactly take grip May 08 10:11:22 a lot of this dispute all the time might get mitigated by creating a repo with "optional cssu" apps May 08 10:12:50 I.E. apps / pkgs that are meant to augment CSSU regarding FOSS compliance, or any other nice-to-have augmented feature, but are not strictly needed for a CSSU update May 08 10:13:26 DocScrutinizer: I've been thinking about that aswell May 08 10:13:47 when maemo.org swaps over to obs we can actually do that quite easily May 08 10:13:58 :nod: May 08 10:14:30 not for all-thumb-system though ;-P May 08 10:15:15 merlin1991: \o/ May 08 10:15:22 I guess for this visionary plan of freemangordon we need a DSSU May 08 10:15:36 and the d stands for? May 08 10:15:38 D being what? May 08 10:15:42 C++ May 08 10:15:42 Developer May 08 10:15:44 :D May 08 10:15:45 or whatever May 08 10:16:00 ah :D May 08 10:16:31 well again if we get a working obs it should be even easy todo an all thumb madness repo May 08 10:16:42 though I neither want to work on that nor bugfix that :D May 08 10:17:20 * DocScrutinizer neither May 08 10:27:23 Sicelo: D-angerous May 08 10:27:53 * Sicelo lol May 08 10:34:17 DocScrutinizer: As long as the app can be sensibly installed through Extras (possibly with an option or secondary package to make it "replace" the core) in a way which also doesn't conflict with the CSSU, absolutely. May 08 10:35:18 anyway, this is an example where Jaffa_'s definition seems doesn't get accepted: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-ssu-irclog/%23maemo-ssu.2012-05-07.log.html#t2012-05-07T15:12:36 And here's my take on the paradigm: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-ssu-irclog/%23maemo-ssu.2012-05-07.log.html#t2012-05-07T15:59:35 May 08 10:36:10 oh hi, Jaffa May 08 10:36:14 ;-D May 08 10:37:10 Silly nick thingy May 08 10:37:51 DocScrutinizer: ivgalvez is running for the Community Council, so that could cause other problems of "ownership" in future. May 08 10:38:09 ouch May 08 10:38:41 I think council needs to understand what CSSU is about, and what it's NOT about May 08 10:40:08 the basic question seems to be "who owns CSSU", as our approach of common sense doesn't pan out May 08 10:40:29 DocScrutinizer: See SD69's suggestion of a Council-blessed "TSG for CSSU". May 08 10:40:53 My questions of "where's this come from?" and "who decides?" was unanswered, AFAICT May 08 10:41:02 :-/ May 08 10:41:11 DocScrutinizer: Agree entirely with your argument in that conversation, btw. May 08 10:41:23 thanks :-D May 08 10:41:25 DocScrutinizer: But I'll be similarly accused of being "out of touch", "not a CSSU developer", ... May 08 10:41:42 hi there.... umm what is this tracker-indexer doing on startup ? >.< May 08 10:41:55 indexing :-P May 08 10:42:16 I.E. it rescans all your photos and other media May 08 10:44:21 Jaffa: only reasonable strategy would be to offer proper ways to do stuff like the requested app replacements, without redefining CSSU purpose May 08 10:44:50 Jaffa: maybe actually along my suggestion of a repo cssu-extras May 08 10:45:09 yo doc May 08 10:45:10 sup May 08 10:45:34 otherwise eventually somebody *will* redefine CSSU to "experimental" May 08 10:45:50 DocScrutinizer: But, AFAICT, there's not a dependency on the CSSU for either of the two apps mentioned. May 08 10:46:03 yep May 08 10:46:04 been a while ago since ive talked with you May 08 10:46:18 hi HtheB May 08 10:46:30 hi, sup May 08 10:46:38 fine here May 08 10:46:45 nice May 08 10:47:04 i made a video, donno if you already saw it though May 08 10:47:38 its a commercial, made it for a competition at work May 08 10:49:17 DocScrutinizer: I suppose there _may_ be a need for a cssu-extras to facilitate the "replace the default with this" packages, due to conflicts with mp-* May 08 10:49:31 :nod: May 08 10:50:51 also for mere purpose of categories for apps - though I'd rather publish a apps-backup.tgz that simply installs all the "recommended" apps from whatever repo May 08 10:52:40 exploiting the restore function of backup app May 08 10:53:12 DocScrutinizer: So you'd have WC-2 in Extras which is installable by anyone. WC-2-mkdefault in cssu-extras which removed WC and swapped in WC-2 for its dbus/service/desktop functions May 08 10:53:54 "install this 'package', open `backup`, select restore, select `CSSU-recommended-apps`, pick whatever you wnat from the list showing up" May 08 10:54:42 Jaffa: kinda, yes May 08 10:57:40 I definitely hate the idea to forcefeed things like WC-2 on *all* maemo users (mind you it's been requested several times to make CSSU more public and recommend it to all users) May 08 10:58:28 well, that statement probably qualifies for "Captain Obvious at his best" May 08 10:59:13 but since yesterday I'm not that sure anymore what's really obvious and what evidently isn't May 08 11:05:17 how long does n900 battery last working as 3g->wifi router? May 08 11:06:33 wtf is WC supposed to mean, water closet? :D May 08 11:07:14 ah world clock :D May 08 11:09:58 DocScrutinizer, Jaffa I don't think we'll get much more rewrites into cssu, I'd even go as far and say that we should move the replacements that are in place currently into their own repository May 08 11:10:25 Arkenoi: 2h? May 08 11:10:45 merlin1991: Which rewrites are currently included? May 08 11:10:51 merlin1991: Is it just Camera & Calculator? May 08 11:10:57 merlin1991: ++++ May 08 11:11:04 DocScrutinizer: :-( hp veer is said to work 5+ hours May 08 11:11:36 camera-ui, calc, osso-applet-notificationlight, osso-applet-display, tv-out control May 08 11:11:39 Arkenoi: depends a LOT on your actual signal situation on 3G May 08 11:11:39 * Arkenoi is thinking about buying a portable router or a smartphone but still don't know which is better May 08 11:12:30 Arkenoi: look, TX power of GSM may be anything between 1mW and 2W, depending on your distance form BTS May 08 11:12:39 btw if obs is finished I'd even suggest to move the replacemetns that are currently in into their own repo May 08 11:13:09 yes! May 08 11:13:23 my annoying rant since dunno when May 08 11:13:28 ;-) May 08 11:14:08 though I'm still pro writing those rewrites May 08 11:14:41 I dunno, should I propose to "hijack" CSSU right here and now? Declare jaffa, merlin1991, MohammadAG, me as owners? May 08 11:15:03 who are the "owners" actually May 08 11:15:09 merlin1991: MAG May 08 11:15:11 "nobody" May 08 11:15:20 sadly I wasn't around when it all started so I can't comment on it :/ May 08 11:15:40 I mean was there ever anything agreed who's responsible for CSSU in general? May 08 11:15:40 DocScrutinizer: A "Steering Group" indeed. But one created from the ground-up, rather than top-down. May 08 11:15:45 merlin1991: MAG May 08 11:15:49 MAG MAG MAG MAG MAG May 08 11:15:51 :D May 08 11:15:52 MAG May 08 11:15:54 :) May 08 11:16:02 so in other words it's me now xD May 08 11:16:15 Why, MAG not available anymore? May 08 11:16:23 He did the work, and liased with X-Fade to get the repository setup. I was on the Council at the time and provided any management/assistance I could. May 08 11:16:35 because mag is merly a public figure atm May 08 11:16:41 merlin1991: Pragmatically, current owners are those who can push to CSSU-testing and -stable May 08 11:16:49 merlin1991: Owners can be public figures May 08 11:16:51 that'd be me and me May 08 11:16:58 and mag for testing May 08 11:17:13 Jaffa: any such bottom-up procedure needs a controlling instance on-top that decides on the proper bottom-up procedure May 08 11:17:25 DocScrutinizer: For appropriate blue-sky solutionising? May 08 11:17:36 sorry? May 08 11:17:45 Jaffa: too much management speak May 08 11:17:49 DocScrutinizer: But, agreed, sounds like as CSSU grows it needs some continuity of "vision" May 08 11:17:54 teotwaki: Force of habit May 08 11:18:11 btw Jaffa pushing to cssu is linked to these garage groups: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/cssu-testing/ https://garage.maemo.org/projects/cssu-stable May 08 11:18:24 DocScrutinizer: To prevent "populist" moves like shipping the whole of Extras in CSSU as "someone might need $APP" May 08 11:18:35 yep May 08 11:18:57 I'll try to see what I can get out of X-Fade next obs meeting May 08 11:18:58 This is the age to harness vertical experiences and rapidly grow the CSSU as you streamline scalable ROI May 08 11:18:58 merlin1991: And can anything get into -stable without going through -testing? May 08 11:19:20 Jaffa: technically yes, practically no because I don't upload anything that wasn't like that 1:1 in testing May 08 11:19:24 more like "you get rnd(10) groups all claiming THEY implement the only true bottom-up formed TSG for CSSU" May 08 11:19:31 merlin1991: So, the simple answer is that the current owners of the CSSU are you & MAG. May 08 11:19:39 I think May 08 11:19:44 +so May 08 11:19:50 merlin1991: Any TSG suggestion should come from you & MAG, and be fully bought into it, rather than coming from the Council. May 08 11:19:53 It's your project. May 08 11:20:03 Council can't do anything about that, as they can't do the work. May 08 11:20:18 merlin1991: The CSSU needs to be ever-greened and given some personal bandwidth and facetime, on your account, that is. May 08 11:20:25 Council only needs to get involved in deciding when to publicise it to "everyone" and helping in any way they can. May 08 11:20:29 May 08 11:20:32 teotwaki: Only going forward May 08 11:21:01 teotwaki: shutup! May 08 11:21:11 aye aye, sorry I intervened May 08 11:22:00 so it's official now: CSSU is owned by MohammadAG and merlin1991 May 08 11:22:30 DocScrutinizer: That's what Garage says. Don't see how anyone could argue with it. May 08 11:22:42 DocScrutinizer: If they want to expand that ownership, *they* can. May 08 11:22:50 yup May 08 11:22:54 full ack May 08 11:23:30 merlin1991: "ich weis wo dein haus wohnt, alter!" May 08 11:23:37 ;-P May 08 11:23:41 :D May 08 11:24:08 hm makes me wonder, if my address is anywhere visible on the net May 08 11:24:28 hihihi May 08 11:24:58 hah it isn't :D May 08 11:25:24 at least not on a quick google search May 08 11:26:07 * merlin1991 forgot about dns whois May 08 11:26:08 damn May 08 11:26:18 LOL May 08 11:26:33 though I must say hetzner is even worse May 08 11:26:41 they registered an ipv6 range for me May 08 11:26:48 and added my friggin telephone number May 08 11:28:25 that's what dead numbers are for May 08 11:29:04 well they used the one they have from me, where I couldn't put a dead one since they call to confirm your idendity when you rent the server :/ May 08 11:29:20 meh May 08 11:29:31 give them a call, they might fix it May 08 11:29:48 well it's too late for that May 08 11:29:54 what is on the net, stays on the net May 08 11:30:08 Or should I wlak over give them a visit on your behalf? ;-) May 08 11:30:24 make them headdesk by force ;) May 08 11:31:46 haha, anyone remember the Maemo meeting we had at Southbank in London, few years ago? May 08 11:32:25 The one where Gary used the N900 to display texts on walls, that could be moved around by the person holding the N900? May 08 11:32:40 Well, that building has been named as one of the top 10 ugliest buildings in the world... May 08 11:34:32 rofl May 08 11:34:33 merlin1991: I suggest to include jaffa to any TSG team you probably want to nominate May 08 11:35:02 (I'd not be averse as well to get nominated) May 08 11:36:17 I don't think we need a formal TSG May 08 11:36:36 the informal one has been working well enough imo May 08 11:36:49 I think we do, for sake of clear statements in case of "hostile takeover" of any form May 08 11:37:51 in case of a hostile takeover we'd be fucked with or without TSG May 08 11:38:07 nah May 08 11:38:10 since basically nobody can take over cssu unless they get access to the server May 08 11:38:18 I'm talking about stuff like http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-ssu-irclog/%23maemo-ssu.2012-05-07.log.html#t2012-05-07T16:03:56 May 08 11:38:19 and if they get that we're out of the queue anyway May 08 11:39:10 I think we're better of if we provide a "rewrites" repo aswell and keep everyone happy instaed of starting some non needed management system that if anything slows us down May 08 11:39:49 I don't suggest to *start* any system. Just *declare* existence of such May 08 11:39:54 Hmm May 08 11:40:13 A separate repo does sound good May 08 11:40:21 all ack for the rest of your rationale May 08 11:40:39 after all it's exactly my suggestion May 08 11:40:49 :-) May 08 11:41:48 I also agree our operation mode worked quite fine so far May 08 11:42:37 I'm skeptical about TSGs May 08 11:42:42 We'vw May 08 11:42:55 We've seen how MeeGo performs May 08 11:43:29 MohammadAG: we already have that TSG, based on meritocracy and who's shouting the loudest ;-D May 08 11:43:33 it worked so far May 08 11:43:45 problem is it's not visible to the outside May 08 11:43:54 so, who cares? May 08 11:44:04 How long has CSSU been going now? 2 years? May 08 11:44:05 teotwaki: manly tmo ;) May 08 11:44:11 ivgalvez did, teotwaki May 08 11:44:28 CSSU has been visible for anyone who looked hard enough May 08 11:44:35 Yet, nobody has really been that involved May 08 11:44:46 So fuck 'em May 08 11:44:47 CSSU is visible, any "TSG" is not May 08 11:45:08 so ivgalvez comes in and happily redefines the purpose and meaning of CSSU May 08 11:45:24 assuming CSSU is owned by "community" May 08 11:45:34 oh, and by the way, fucking BioWare... It's a bloody public holiday in France, and they've decided to shut down the servers from 9AM till 1PM. May 08 11:45:44 eh May 08 11:45:52 server needs a holiday too? May 08 11:45:57 hehe May 08 11:46:36 in .fi the railway company has a webshop that is closed at night May 08 11:47:17 I got an intern for a couple of months May 08 11:47:30 At some point, he went "I'll just reboot this server, yar?" May 08 11:47:53 "Wait, what server?", his reply "I dunno, fr-102..." May 08 11:48:20 The kid was about to reboot a production server which was serving just over a thousand voip communications May 08 11:48:46 For any particular reason? May 08 11:48:47 hihi May 08 11:49:05 SpeedEvil: he wanted to see if his changes worked May 08 11:49:18 ah May 08 11:49:41 he didn't do his full two months May 08 11:49:43 nothing compared to rebooting a CIM production server and cause 1500 workers having a looong coffee break May 08 11:50:08 My brother shut down a factory in mexico for the day. May 08 11:50:11 oops May 08 11:50:16 DocScrutinizer: considering every one of those conversations was with a callcentre agent, I'm not so sure :P May 08 11:50:28 aaah yes May 08 11:50:32 almost same then May 08 11:50:53 also, fun fact May 08 11:51:02 we hired a new guy in the production team May 08 11:51:12 he was checking some traffic routing, to see how our network was laid out May 08 11:51:52 he didn't understand why calls that arrived in Paris went through our London, Madrid and Milan datacentres before going back to Paris. May 08 11:52:13 And we wondered why he had such massive bandwidth bills. May 08 11:52:21 s/he/we/ May 08 12:23:13 well, what's the punch line? May 08 12:23:44 DocScrutinizer: incoming call: paris, outpoint, paris May 08 12:23:46 probably your network actually shouldn't route trffic once around the globe May 08 12:24:28 so the guy discovered a poor config of your routing? May 08 12:24:49 aye May 08 12:34:18 hi chaps May 08 12:34:27 what are the thoughts re the Tizen dev devices? May 08 12:34:57 * lardman wonders if Samsung will become more Linux friendly with their other devices too May 08 12:35:56 Tizen is hilarious. May 08 12:36:02 Those are my thoughts. May 08 12:36:20 hey GAN, long time no see, I hope you're well May 08 12:36:36 * DocScrutinizer moos at GeneralAntilles May 08 12:36:43 Well enough. May 08 12:36:49 Anything new and exciting in the world, lardman? May 08 12:36:53 The one positive is that it actually has some devices at least in dev-only mode May 08 12:36:58 hi lardman May 08 12:37:10 * RST38h_ wonders if Samsung will become the only smartphone manufacturer other than Apple May 08 12:37:26 RST38h_, seems unlikely. May 08 12:37:32 GeneralAntilles: daughter now 8 months old, still not sleeping, but very happy otherwise (her parents slightly less so until caffeine has taken effect ;)) May 08 12:37:45 hi Doc May 08 12:38:13 Moo lardman & GeneralAntilles May 08 12:38:39 * GeneralAntilles sneezes, coughs, and chokes. May 08 12:38:48 hi MohammadAG May 08 12:38:57 Why does the sick always come on when you get time off. May 08 12:39:06 g'nite johnboy, errr hi MohammadAG May 08 12:39:10 Is everybody going to watch the Tizen stream today? May 08 12:39:33 DocScrutinizer, lol, don't date yourself. May 08 12:40:00 GeneralAntilles: because when you have time off you drink to excess? May 08 12:40:28 Hehe. No, that's only during conferences. :P May 08 12:40:33 GeneralAntilles: (why does the sick...) there's a scientific explanation for that, around corticoids ceated when under stress May 08 12:41:42 Hi DocScrutinizer, been here for a while :p May 08 12:41:51 the opposite but similar effect causes pregnant women never catching the flu May 08 12:42:11 Punchline, get pregnant May 08 12:42:59 yeah but there's a downside at the end of the 9 months ;) May 08 12:43:10 :-D May 08 12:43:29 catching flu that is, not having a baby who doesn't sleep :D May 08 12:43:51 Get pregnant again May 08 12:44:33 how much caffeine is considered dangerous.....? May 08 12:44:48 ;) May 08 12:45:02 you'll know when it starts getting dangerous ;-) May 08 12:45:07 Caffeine turns me into a maniac. May 08 12:45:09 hmm, I see Tizen is HTML5 only, no Qt, on EFL, urgh May 08 12:45:13 Soo, very little. May 08 12:45:25 lardman, yeah, thusly the hilarity. May 08 12:45:26 GeneralAntilles: better get in training for when you have a baby May 08 12:45:57 I hate coffee May 08 12:46:05 GeneralAntilles: the one bonus being that one will hopefully have a device with a fully working kernel + drivers May 08 12:46:08 lardman, yeah, we'll see. ;) May 08 12:46:18 * DocScrutinizer wonders how *the baby* manages to stay awake all the time without caffeine May 08 12:46:32 via her mother? May 08 12:46:45 no, she does sleep lots, just wakes up every couple of hours May 08 12:46:58 which makes for pretty broken sleep for the rest of us May 08 12:47:17 Tranquilizer :p May 08 12:47:54 Not for the baby though May 08 12:47:56 lardman, what lesson have we learned today? Never leave your child with anyone from #maemo May 08 12:48:09 Termana: I think that was a given though really ;) May 08 12:48:13 yeah, you can't start soon enough to make yiur kids get used to psychopharmaca May 08 12:48:14 :p May 08 12:48:15 Termana, stating the obvious. May 08 12:48:29 Figments of lardman's imagination make terrible sitters. May 08 12:48:47 Also, don't leave your kids unattended on #maemo May 08 12:48:51 Kick Termana May 08 12:49:45 Hmm, I wonder what iOS emojis look like on irc May 08 12:49:57 ➡⬅ May 08 12:50:01 I think there is still a question no one has answered. Will it blend? May 08 12:50:07 WUT? May 08 12:50:38 * GeneralAntilles contemplates breakfast. May 08 12:50:39 MohammadAG: spark gap? May 08 12:50:55 What? May 08 12:51:04 ➡⬅ May 08 12:51:15 Those are two arrows for me May 08 12:51:24 🔫 May 08 12:51:29 GUN! May 08 12:51:33 * GeneralAntilles flees to the kitchen. May 08 12:51:57 * DocScrutinizer does same, for preparing a nice cup of tea May 08 12:52:26 * DocScrutinizer *yawn* May 08 12:52:38 I just get a little square thingie May 08 12:52:51 no need for any characters above code 127 in my book May 08 12:54:45 Heh May 08 12:57:53 * DocScrutinizer curses D-Link DIR615 May 08 12:58:15 IRC Chatter has to be quit and restarted to reconnect May 08 12:58:16 Boo May 08 12:58:29 ouch May 08 12:59:04 DocScrutinizer, running openwrt? :> May 08 12:59:21 this rev is not supported May 08 12:59:34 bleh May 08 12:59:42 indeed May 08 13:39:11 HAH (OT, DIR615 hw-rev:D3) http://www.linuxcrew.de/blog/2010/08/25/dd-wrt-auf-d-link-dir-615-hw-rev-d3-installieren/ May 08 13:39:38 psycho_oreos: ^^ May 08 13:39:53 psycho_oreos: thanks for making me check again May 08 13:42:15 DocScrutinizer, heh nw, though if your version is D3, its noted on openwrt as supported via manual build only May 08 13:42:43 umm May 08 13:43:02 err mostly supported :) May 08 13:43:28 I stand corrected, though I can't read much German I suppose DD-WRT would probably have better support than openwrt for that specific hardware May 08 14:50:17 Hehe: http://gizmodo.com/5908496/the-best-display-under-bright-light-its-not-your-iphone May 08 14:50:22 Surrrprise May 08 15:22:33 hi guys May 08 15:22:46 what is the use of /usr/lib/trackerd anyway? May 08 15:22:48 thankx May 08 15:23:47 k273: it is indexing all "user"-files like images and audio May 08 15:25:04 I see chem|st May 08 15:25:27 k273: after a reboot or messing with your sd card or exporting USBmassstorage it will start tracker-indexer and eat your device for a while May 08 15:25:33 so it's normally taking 99 percent cpu use and 15 ram use for every boot May 08 15:25:35 yes May 08 15:25:43 thanks a lot chem|st May 08 15:25:56 k273: just dont boot! May 08 15:25:56 eat the device is half of the problem May 08 15:26:05 it eats the battery also May 08 15:26:09 lol ch May 08 15:26:13 lol chem|st May 08 15:26:29 k273: booting does that too May 08 15:27:30 k273: your device offline and idle for 8 hours is some about one bootup May 08 15:28:08 this includes trackerd eating your device for >10seconds at boot May 08 15:28:21 I see May 08 15:28:59 so do not reboot if not necessary May 08 15:29:25 sadly it's necessary to change my battery every some hours or so May 08 15:29:26 once in a while restarting hildon-home might be neccessary May 08 15:29:36 k273: what are you doing? May 08 15:29:40 just because my usb/charger port broke May 08 15:29:41 lol May 08 15:29:50 ouch May 08 15:29:59 restarting hildon-home thru terminal? May 08 15:30:00 ok I see May 08 15:30:02 ok May 08 15:30:26 yeah, I setup a script doing that May 08 15:31:41 it is still eating up RAM after a while, without any 3rdparty widgets May 08 15:34:55 cool, chem|st May 08 15:44:05 thanks for the info, chem|st May 08 15:44:06 =) May 08 15:44:47 k273: you can instruct tracker to not do this re-indexing when on battery May 08 15:45:29 or simply reduce the amount of CPU it allocates May 08 15:45:49 there are some screws to adjust, in tracker config May 08 15:46:03 an some glitches :) May 08 15:46:31 iirc it ignored the 'not on battery' settings here .. also it wont stop when you unplug from charger May 08 15:46:48 :nod: May 08 15:46:55 has some bugs, yeah May 08 15:47:15 DocScrutinizer: cehteh: I see May 08 15:47:21 some of those should be fixed in latest CSSU-T, courtesy javispedro May 08 15:47:41 its long ago i gave up on it :) May 08 15:47:50 at least the ignore-"ignore" bug May 08 15:48:02 well the device is meanwhile stable enough that i dont have to reboot daily so tracker runs rarely May 08 15:48:24 I can see how it hurts when you swap battery May 08 15:50:31 need dual-battery phone :) May 08 15:50:43 5 nines smartphone :P May 08 15:53:36 need n900 with 12 cell laptop batt XD May 08 15:54:18 reliable hotswap would be fine already May 08 15:54:27 (i mean official, not doc's hack) May 08 15:56:55 cehteh: cigs back would be enough for me... May 08 15:56:57 how much more time do maemo community will support n900? if for years ahead, I can see myself buying maybe 2 or 3 more used n900 May 08 15:57:34 community is possibly not the problem .. of course the updates will come slower and slower May 08 15:57:44 k273: most of the cool stuff doesn't need anything... so go ahead and buy another one! May 08 15:57:52 but with nokia bankrupt next months the server might just become switched off :P May 08 15:58:08 very true, chem|st May 08 15:58:13 cehteh: everything is mirrored May 08 15:58:28 where? May 08 15:58:53 someone has it on his harddrive I would assume! May 08 15:59:50 I should just mirror it for good... May 08 16:03:16 =) May 08 16:59:01 gotta go guys, thanks for the help! May 08 17:22:01 cehteh: you're aware of CSSU? May 08 17:49:25 DocScrutinizer: have it installed, but didnt tried to reconfigure trackerd for 1.5 years May 08 17:58:06 Pali, you may want to install lxde in kubuntu, it is as fast as maemo, unbelieveable May 08 17:58:32 freemangordon, ok May 08 17:59:04 Pali, have in mind you have to enable universe repo in /etc/apt/sources.list May 08 17:59:55 I know kubuntu, I'm using it for 6 years :) May 08 18:00:07 ok, ok :) May 08 18:06:11 Hi ! May 08 18:06:34 I wondered, what do people usually use to take screenshots on the N900 ? May 08 18:07:00 Is there a builtin shortcut ? May 08 18:08:53 Ctrl-shift-P, isn't it? May 08 18:10:25 fizzie: yep May 08 18:10:59 heh, bluetooth ad2p with simultaneous wifi is pretty tragic May 08 18:11:06 thanks ! May 08 18:13:34 seems to cut out when afh is reconfigured May 08 18:18:01 .. and also if there's any nontrivial amount of wifi traffic May 08 18:45:44 is bluetooth a2dp apt-x codec supported on linux? May 08 18:46:42 ShadowJK, do you know someting about apt-x? May 08 19:53:16 ShadowJK: that's 'coexistence' May 08 19:53:55 ;-P May 08 19:54:58 I never wrapped my head around prioritisation in hw-coexistence May 08 19:55:39 I'd guess - also from what you said - that WLAN simply mutes BT May 08 19:57:29 ShadowJK: you should be able find details in WLAN chip's datasheet, if that's available somewhere meanwhile. Also in BT chip's May 08 19:58:07 or maybe it simply doesn't work on N900, due to one wire routing into a parallel universe May 08 20:05:37 DocScrutinizer: We should install exherbo on a N900 May 08 20:25:03 Argh May 08 20:25:24 Someone called an N900 autoanswered while on bluetooth? wtf May 08 20:35:55 man May 08 20:36:02 a coworker has same headset May 08 20:36:09 with a symbian phone May 08 20:36:26 really shows how inferior N900's phone capabilities are, May 08 20:36:39 no setting on N900 for auto-answer? May 08 20:37:38 not by default May 08 20:38:20 i think I must've hit answer by accident when picking phone out of pocket to figure out why music stopped May 08 20:39:05 the symbian phone seems much better at this May 08 20:39:26 he can push button on headset, say "messages", and it starts reading sms May 08 20:39:35 and even saying "web" works May 08 20:40:00 impressively voice recog works in 100dB ambient noise May 08 20:41:21 personally i never understood why there was so much hate for symbian. :\ May 08 20:43:06 * Sicelo pats his Nokia N-Gage, with a download manager supporting resume, and other goodies :P May 08 20:47:28 well May 08 20:47:37 it does a few specific things well May 08 20:48:28 but if you want to add stuff or write stuff for it, it's like Nokia and Symbian are saying NO! and smacking you in the face with a slice of lemon wrapped around a tungsten brick May 08 20:52:55 you mean now? or before? May 08 20:53:27 don't know about now, but atleast in S60 days May 08 20:54:07 (before they rebranded it as plain symbian) May 08 20:54:07 (and then after that they rebranded as Nokia Anna/Nokia Belle) May 08 20:55:10 gotcha. there was some creative stuff going though in the S60 days. and i really tend to agree with those who feel that S80 shouldn't have been killed at the time it was killed. May 08 20:55:11 But still, even today things like Openvpn on even N9 seem problematic, let alonr on Symbian May 08 20:55:48 on Nokia symbian phones you get "Mobile VPN", which of course is incompatible with everything else and requires hugely expensive servers May 08 20:56:11 the problem with s80/s60 switch was that all keyboard shortcuts were killed among with s80, s60 was primarily targeted for 12-key phones and nothing was done to fill the gap May 08 20:56:16 yeah, my 9300i had that. and some BlackBerry stuff, which i never used May 08 20:56:26 first problem May 08 20:56:44 second problem is that s80 was open system and backup was just filesystem image May 08 20:57:15 hmm, how's that a problem? May 08 20:57:17 for s60, there were futile attempts to "protect" the device from its owner and the first obvious result was that backups were all messed up May 08 20:57:27 I vaguely remember that one of the most popular apps on S60 had to hold a community fundraiser so that the devwlopers could afford the fees and costs of keeping their app installable on phones May 08 20:57:27 ah May 08 20:57:29 :P May 08 20:58:25 ShadowJK: that started with version 3 iirc.. that's why i never wanted, or even got to own a symbian device with S60v3 or higher May 08 20:59:17 Yeah I only had S60v3 phones May 08 20:59:29 ah. :) May 08 21:00:03 also, streaming audio seemed incredibly difficult May 08 21:00:03 there were no usable apps, except one Nokia made, and it only worked on 2-3 devices May 08 21:00:06 :/ May 08 21:00:42 harmattan inception gives me strong s60v3 deja vue feeling May 08 21:01:35 and the fact nokia spends resources to close this "security problem" instead of fixing real bugs is true butt hurt May 08 21:02:23 that's why HARM is called HARM by me, and why I basically abandoned any effort to do sth with it May 08 21:04:01 ShadowJK: I think if somebody would care to put a little effort into pocketsphinx, it could compete with symbian wrt voice-commands May 08 21:04:52 ShadowJK, qik (sp?) ? it was for streaming audio and video May 08 21:05:58 iirc I never found anything able to stream shoutcast May 08 21:38:13 ShadowJK, was you on symbian freak forums the days you had a s60v3 phone? May 08 21:39:15 no May 08 21:39:52 maybe on some pythons60 forums May 08 21:40:01 * ShadowJK made himself app to transfer files between pc and phone May 08 21:40:15 seemed easiest way of accomplishing filetransfer May 08 21:41:05 I did find some samba app, but the time limited demoversion didn't work at all May 08 21:45:07 I see, well I never was a coder myself but I was tester for many python apps for s60 May 08 21:45:52 Knew a lot about symbian internals, then I got N900 and now it's slipping away slowly :P May 08 21:48:50 * ShadowJK vaguely recalls waiting and emailing opensigned (??) or something so he could use the GPS on his phone May 08 21:51:03 Opensigned yeah, your app needed to be signed to acces certain functions May 08 21:51:50 I always applied for a developer certificate for my own IMEI which had 17 out of the 20 capabilties May 08 21:52:39 Those last 3 caps where manfacturer only (read write acces to system files) May 08 23:21:43 ~botsnack May 08 23:37:52 quiet earth May 08 23:39:42 just relaxing :) May 08 23:40:04 no trouble, no compiler errors, just silence :) May 08 23:40:23 just one more year May 08 23:41:36 birthday? May 08 23:43:19 somebody thought it's a remarkable date when earth is passing same position of solar system inertial system May 08 23:44:09 I guess it's another few hours until that happens the N'th time May 08 23:44:47 O_o May 08 23:44:58 i think you have to much time :) May 08 23:45:18 I think I have holidays and I shuld enjoy it May 08 23:45:48 worried about my best friend infobot though May 08 23:46:30 * DocScrutinizer wnaders off hoping for anything worthwhile in TV May 09 02:12:46 is maemo.org voting up yet? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed May 09 02:59:58 2012