**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed May 09 02:59:59 2012 May 09 08:56:08 after MfE sync - all the contacts from the phonebook went missing but there are still all visible in "Contacts", what the? May 09 09:01:03 aww, this is shi... no numbers, that would explain why there are ony 2 contacts in phonebook, it deleted everything, MfE sucks! May 09 09:04:03 h May 09 09:04:05 ouch May 09 09:08:01 ok, they were still at Google, so I was able to sync them back somehow but it remains a big mystery how the MfE, merging, syncing, all this stuff works on N900 o_O May 09 09:11:11 totalizator: oh with google... from mine it synced 2 contacts and stalled on some error, did not sync anything else! May 09 09:15:00 yea, it's insane, now it synced most (some) contacts but not all, oh cmon May 09 09:19:54 two manual syncs - successful but nothing was added, third one - boom! 72 contacts added; it's magic, I won't even try to understand May 09 09:21:02 totalizator: hope you learned a lesson^^ May 09 09:24:59 I have learned literally nothing xD but you can call it a lesson May 09 09:26:14 don't try MfE on google again, for some people it worked flawless for some never, I think it depends on the kind of contact information you have stored as we figured out May 09 09:29:52 I can see now that it is better to rely on Nokia Suite backups but MfE is comfortable and used to work properly May 09 09:33:39 does anyone know how to get MfE to work again after a failed sync (other then by rebooting)? May 09 09:34:19 for some reason it usually works fine, but once it fails once (for example wifi didn't connect properly), it will keep failing forever after until I reboot May 09 09:52:15 dafox: I don't think it's possible; however a full sync should work but I wouldn't recomment it for anything other than just a calendar May 09 09:53:07 Ok May 09 09:53:48 Most time i just prefer flashing the installed softwares off it May 09 10:07:07 Does anyone know where i can get, a battery that will laster than the normal n900 battery May 09 10:07:51 Replacement battery off ebay. May 09 10:08:12 Even a 'bad' one will last longer than an old stock one now May 09 10:08:21 however - the bl-5j is also available new May 09 10:08:28 from nokia, or the usual stores May 09 10:10:43 do the batteries go bad vy age, usage or both? right now I'm cycling between 3 because the usb charger does not work anymore... May 09 10:10:53 by age* May 09 10:11:23 Ok... Tks.. Do u think it will last longer than this one.. The battery that comes with the n900 phone drains quickly May 09 10:20:21 StyXman: age and useage May 09 10:20:33 well - time-on-charge and temperature too really May 09 10:21:00 I see May 09 10:21:16 That's true May 09 10:21:26 it should last at least 1 or 1.5 more years, it barely has 6 months May 09 10:21:41 6 months is a bit short May 09 10:22:00 I bought it in december May 09 10:22:05 And quite likely that it's a software problem, not hardware. May 09 10:22:08 Was the battery new? May 09 10:22:18 That is the problem.. I also have with mine May 09 10:22:21 my battery is not dead May 09 10:22:29 they're ok May 09 10:22:46 I was just asking about what should I expect for the future May 09 10:28:13 You mean that it shows very short standby life? May 09 10:29:08 Yes.... Very short battery life May 09 10:34:21 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Charge_Meter http://enivax.net/jk/n900/bq.tar as mentioned in that page, http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_software_power_management May 09 10:34:28 I picked up a new bl-5j from a shop, it set me back 1 fair amount (15 GBP) but it was worth it to be able to verify that it was an official nokia one - lasts a lot longer, but I always carry around the old one as a spare anyway May 09 10:35:40 you get a lot of dodgy fakes online May 09 10:36:47 I also found though that by leaving my old battery drained for a few weeks, then filling it and draining it a few times it seemed to get better, but this was not a deliberate effort so I wasn't particularly scientific about it May 09 12:32:08 hello DocScrutinizer and chem|st, I now killall trackerd everytime I startup my N900 May 09 12:32:09 =) May 09 12:32:45 hmm, that's probably useless May 09 12:32:52 why? May 09 12:33:12 because it will get respawned immediately I guess May 09 12:33:21 sometimes yeah May 09 12:33:22 totalizator: no, not even a full sync works (if you mean the one you can get to through the settings menu), but simply turning it on/off (rebooting) fixes it. I don't even need to do a fullsync after rebooting. May 09 12:33:22 lol May 09 12:33:26 but sometimes not May 09 12:33:57 I found that odd too DocScrutinizer May 09 12:33:59 you should use the right method if you want to quit a process, whatever the process May 09 12:34:21 and that is? May 09 12:34:49 I'm rather sure tracker is started by initctl and/or via dsmetool May 09 12:37:19 totalizator: I just checked all info, as soon as you have images in your contacts you are screwed May 09 12:37:27 some other stuff too May 09 12:39:54 well, or even via .desktop preload May 09 12:44:29 less /etc/xdg/autostart/trackerd.desktop May 09 12:44:56 not sure about it, but it looks like the one May 09 12:49:00 okay thanks DocScrutinizer. anyway this image-viewer is also occupying 99% too, while I don't open any images. May 09 12:59:43 thanks DocScrutinizer. I also find that image-viewer occupies 99% of the cpu too sometimes May 09 13:05:55 well, there's nothing wrong per se when a process occupies all CPU. After all it's meant to finish whatever task it does as soon as possible. The problems start when a process is occupying CPU all the time, or very frequently. Especially if there's nothing the process is supposed to do that's so heavy to justify the CPU load. May 09 13:06:33 DocScrutinizer: yes, that's what I meant. May 09 13:07:55 gallery for example is loading possibly thousands of thumbnails in a canvas - this may consume quite some time&CPUcycles until it's finished May 09 13:11:45 yes, dockane_ May 09 13:11:50 yes, DocScrutinizer May 09 13:11:56 sorry, dockane_ May 09 13:14:44 k273: I always find cpu load applet an indispensable source of info about system state May 09 13:15:49 you're learning a lot about your computer with such a CPU load indicator, and you'll learn to tell when something unusual happens May 09 13:16:24 yes, I have that too. May 09 13:16:28 for me it's like RPM meter in my car May 09 13:16:36 =) May 09 13:19:22 the memory meter in same applet comes in handy as well - it will give a clue when system starts to starve from available RAM and is going to swap a lot, which of course slows down things drastically May 09 13:19:55 yeah May 09 13:21:58 k273: were you asking about maemo future yesterday? May 09 13:23:42 yes May 09 13:23:53 you're aware of CSSU? May 09 13:24:14 I've heard of it, yeah May 09 13:24:27 what is it DocScrutinizer ? May 09 13:24:36 we won't let down maemo for the foreseeable future :-) May 09 13:24:40 ~cssu May 09 13:24:50 YAY infobot!!! May 09 13:25:07 http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU May 09 13:25:19 chem|st: yes, I can confim that rebooting works for me as well; and it's silly as when I've had Windows Mobile 6.5 phone all my contacts were exported to google without any problems (with images!) May 09 13:27:46 DocScrutinizer: yay! May 09 13:48:43 ~vomit May 09 13:48:57 ~flashing May 09 13:49:03 eh? May 09 13:49:16 * chem|st strikes infobot with lightning May 09 13:50:18 chem|st: he's dead, jim May 09 13:50:27 totalizator: I exported with pc suite to outlook at work exported csv imported to google without images May 09 13:51:22 totalizator: but guess you are after syncing May 09 14:24:56 sorry, infobot down May 09 14:25:09 I hope for Tim to restart it eventually May 09 14:25:17 mediiiiiiiiiic! we got a man down heeeeeeeeeeeeere! May 09 14:25:54 (still no ssh account on infobot server :-S) May 09 14:26:44 friggin netsplits! May 09 14:27:02 StyXman: She! May 09 14:27:05 :-D May 09 14:30:44 DocScrutinizer: sorry, just qoting May 09 14:30:49 quoting, even May 09 14:31:04 also: sexed 'bots? ugh... May 09 14:31:33 If she was online, she'd tell you May 09 14:31:40 ;-) May 09 14:32:21 does she dream os electric sheep? May 09 14:32:32 of* May 09 14:32:44 dunno :) May 09 14:52:34 gotta go guys May 09 14:52:39 thanks for the advices May 09 14:56:48 yw May 09 15:44:42 DocScrutinizer: infobot joined! May 09 15:44:58 \o/ May 09 15:46:09 ~attack StyXman May 09 15:46:09 * infobot grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing StyXman May 09 15:48:21 ~dream May 09 15:48:22 * infobot rolls over and envisions being hosted on the MCR cluster in LLNL with a load of 1 May 09 15:55:27 ~slap infobot May 09 15:55:27 * infobot slaps infobot, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! May 09 15:55:37 ~vomit May 09 15:55:37 * infobot vomits on chem|st May 09 15:55:54 ~feed May 09 15:56:08 ~eat May 09 15:56:21 k I stopp... May 09 15:58:34 anyway May 09 15:58:36 ~cssu May 09 15:58:37 [cssu] http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU May 09 17:47:14 this fscking mapsloader May 09 18:01:31 hi i have some issue with my n900. i installed few apps like TI calc and VNC viewer on my n900 after that.. my battery drains very fast and the charger will not charge my phone May 09 18:01:49 i had to use other phone to charge the n900 battery May 09 18:02:22 charge will not remain for even 20 mins with all application turned off May 09 18:03:43 jean_brat: what is the complete list you installed? what is your network 2G/3G/dual? where are you? May 09 18:06:14 i used VNC quite intensively for about 20 mins. i had some theme files (black and white) which was installed long ago May 09 18:06:16 thats all May 09 18:06:37 everything else is factory settings May 09 18:07:02 3G gsm network May 09 18:07:46 now i use my old 5800 to charge n900 bl5j May 09 18:08:39 why does phone need to be booted first to charge the battery in n900? May 09 18:20:32 3g is not gsm network, vnc for 20minutes might eat your battery if already used for a while, depends on the server settings too May 09 18:21:41 bad UMTS reception drains my battery in 6-10 hours if the device is idle and not connected to the internet May 09 18:22:07 same for gsm+wifi online with skype... May 09 18:23:15 jean_brat: are you on latest firmware with cssu? May 09 18:23:20 now it cant stay on for even 20 mins with all turned off. the same batt stays for a day in my 5800 May 09 18:24:05 is the device responsive? May 09 18:24:09 i don remember the version but a month ago i updated all the updates prompted by software updated May 09 18:24:16 l for #n900 users. Get official support at #maemo or #meego. May 09 18:24:17 * Topic for #n900 set by Tscheesy!~quassel@alfred.neversfelde.de at Tue Dec 21 22:35:01 2010 May 09 18:24:29 *software updater May 09 18:24:53 jean_brat: should be fine May 09 18:25:28 look into what is running in the background May 09 18:27:47 give me min. let me check May 09 18:27:54 ps -aef? May 09 18:29:30 more like top or htop May 09 18:40:30 hmm i cant cat it to a file lile top >> filename.txt May 09 18:42:05 its there an option like .Xdeafults for setting colors in default terminal emulator? May 09 18:46:27 jean_brat: n900 charges just fine as longs as your rootfs is ok May 09 18:46:41 rootfs+systen on there May 09 18:48:03 jean_brat: you just have to use proper fastcharger. PC USB host for powersupply won't work May 09 18:49:29 Nokia built n900 absolutely compliant to USB specs, so it mustn't draw more than 100mA from a PC until USB enum which needs CPU/system up+running May 09 18:56:43 what does rootfs has to do with charging? May 09 19:03:26 spark666: colors in xterm are in gconf :P May 09 19:04:12 Sicelo: tnx mate May 09 19:04:37 its there gconf-editor available for maemo? May 09 19:04:45 DocScrutinizer, 77% used out of 227 MB May 09 19:05:38 jean_brat: actually 'all' phones need the OS to be 'alive' to some extent for charging. what do you think shows the charging notification bars? you might have the free space, but if what's on there is borked, you're out of luck May 09 19:06:10 spark666: it's builtin .. gconftool-2. i think there's also a gui.. never tried it May 09 19:06:14 ironic nokia did not run power aware simulation on N900 properly May 09 19:06:44 Sicelo: ill take a look now :D ty May 09 19:09:03 btw, you can only set background and foreground colors .. the key is /apps/osso/xterm May 09 19:10:24 ahhh...that i can change it straight from the settings,i was looking for colors palette :P May 09 19:12:16 Sicelo, DocScrutinizer knows his systems well :P May 09 19:12:33 oh nvm, you were talking to jean May 09 19:13:26 jean_brat> what does rootfs has to do with charging? May 09 19:13:37 bme does the charging, bme is /sbin/bme, /sbin is on rootfs May 09 19:13:50 ;) May 09 19:22:15 indeed May 09 19:24:28 meh, seems he's gone May 09 19:24:59 What happened with docscrutinizer51? :P May 09 19:40:04 Hello Maemo May 09 19:42:42 Could anyone knowledgeable why package, that got upgraded after years of silence (luxus - widget showing LUX values of ambient light and/or EV exposure correction to setup in DLRS) requires to update libtelepathy-qt4? May 09 19:43:01 http://maemo.org/packages/view/luxus May 09 19:43:35 it also require experimental libqtm-12 which isn't very fancy, but at least justified in changelog May 09 19:44:02 as for libtelepathy-qt4, I don't see reason. libqtm-12 require it? May 09 19:44:20 also, who is pushing updates to libcurl3? it's core Maemo component May 09 19:44:53 is there a way to check it from package interface? it list only maintainer, but for sure it wasn't uploaded by maintainer May 09 19:54:24 how do I get an application to core-dump? May 09 19:55:12 edit it's memory while it's running May 09 19:55:23 kill SIGSEGV ? May 09 19:56:40 Good question estel, I noticed it too May 09 19:56:43 freemangordon, doesn't core-dump on maemo afaik? May 09 19:57:38 MrPingu, after recent events with libxau6 I'm afraid to update, and rightly so. May 09 19:57:41 probably May 09 19:58:06 as for Luxus, it was uploadd by maintainer it seems, so I contacted him, why being so bold in dependencies :P May 09 19:58:13 but libcurl3 is a mystery May 09 19:58:43 version from march was working AFAICT, I updated it and didn't noticed any regressions May 09 19:58:50 I contacted X-Fade about libaux6 May 09 19:58:53 MohammadAG, would you rephrase your question May 09 19:58:54 hopefully he should react to it May 09 19:59:11 freemangordon, when an application segfaults, it usually creates a core-dump, but it doesn't on maemo May 09 19:59:16 Pali checked package and it got same hash as upstream, only compilation flags were set May 09 19:59:22 yoiu should install rich-core May 09 19:59:35 freemangordon, so on a stock system it's impossible? May 09 19:59:37 sp-rich-core May 09 19:59:52 MohammadAG, yea, I created bug, as libxau6 was detected as conflicting by builder, but landed in repos nevertheless May 09 20:00:27 MohammadAG, it is possible, you just need to install sp-rich-core from SDK repo May 09 20:00:54 if by "stock" you mean after ferlash, then yes, it is not possible May 09 20:01:02 *reflash May 09 20:01:07 freemangordon, I was planning to have a handler for SIGSEGV to core-dump and attach the file to an email May 09 20:01:33 right now my handler sends a notification to the user that "Sociality has crashed. Please file a bug report to myemailhere" May 09 20:01:34 Niel answered, that builder doesn't "think" it's fatal error May 09 20:01:55 clicking it relaunches sociality which opens a mailto: link May 09 20:02:42 Weird, someone called and I had bt handsfree, worked perfectly a few seconds, up to 30s at a time, then I got a loiud buzz May 09 20:02:46 he asked if someone knowledgeable could help altering 'buildme' to treat such errors as fatal May 09 20:02:48 MohammadAG, I think coredumps should be enabled in kernel May 09 20:02:58 I forwarded it to Maemo mailing list, but no one answered. May 09 20:03:00 somewhere in /proc May 09 20:03:07 meh May 09 20:03:24 a2dp on same device works perfectly hours at a time May 09 20:03:40 ShadowJK, You're on stovk kernel, right? May 09 20:03:41 Odd thing, with bt hf there was no echo, but without bt hf I heard my voice a second or two delayed. Allegedly this is the "lumia echo", when other person uses a lumia May 09 20:03:41 http://pastebin.com/30NPszf1 May 09 20:03:49 Estel^; yep May 09 20:03:54 freemangordon, one more thing, is it possible to get the last method called? May 09 20:05:31 freemangordon, ShadowJK problem with bluetooth headset is similar to that one reported in KP thread May 09 20:05:39 yet, ShadowJK is sitting on stock kernel May 09 20:05:52 it may mean, that it's unrelated to KP after all May 09 20:06:04 MohammadAG, afaik if you handle SIGSEGV then no coredump will be produced. May be you should re-raise the signal May 09 20:06:14 heh, the amount of code you can gather from pastebin's recents is amazing May 09 20:06:14 I mean first problem, not echo May 09 20:06:30 freemangordon, without handling it I simply get "Segmentation fault" May 09 20:06:35 Estel^, there is some nasty bug on omap1 kernel, which I resolved by chance with bt-mice patch May 09 20:07:04 MohammadAG, if you have coredupmps enabled you will have "segmentation fault, core dumped" :) May 09 20:07:53 I know :p May 09 20:08:32 is bt-mice patch in KP? May 09 20:09:37 ShadowJK, of course, but only for HID devices aa for now May 09 20:09:48 ShadowJK, it is, but in KP50 i modified it so it to be applied only for HID devices. There were several reports that otherwise some handsfree devices stop after a while May 09 20:09:55 cause it triggers buggy implementation in some BT headphones May 09 20:10:10 but, it seems that other headphones require it May 09 20:10:24 yeah, No 22 May 09 20:11:40 Ooh, can you roll a kernel with it enabled for everything? May 09 20:12:02 to roll it as in? May 09 20:12:56 if enabled for all devices it causes regression compared to stock kernel May 09 20:13:35 hmm, you can try to use BT .ko from KP49 May 09 20:13:39 freemangordon, as in a binary for him May 09 20:13:47 I mean as in make a version with it enabled just to test with my bthf device? May 09 20:14:21 now where are those notes on installing Harmattan and Fremantle in scratchbox... May 09 20:14:42 if it works with KP49 but not with KP50 then I can bet that patch midification is th reason May 09 20:15:23 ShadowJK, can you compile the kernel by yourself? May 09 20:17:15 no I don't have a setup for that May 09 20:17:44 I proposed to allow messing with it via sysfs entry if possible. I doubt someone is using 2 different bluetooth headsets at the same time :P May 09 20:17:47 hmm, ok, I will compile it an will upload the module, give me a couple of minutes May 09 20:18:28 Estel^, that could work for the next version, which won't be out in a week or two :) May 09 20:18:50 Do you know any details about the bug("fix")? May 09 20:20:30 ShadowJK, it is my patch, not a backport, but TBH I have NFC why it works May 09 20:20:38 * freemangordon is ashamed May 09 20:21:45 * chem|st points at the far left corner of the channel May 09 20:22:31 :) May 09 20:22:32 what does it do? May 09 20:24:34 adds an additional check if the connection is not in power-save mode, better look at the patch yourself, it is a one-liner May 09 20:26:08 is anyone aware of how to download nokia map files into MyDocs again? May 09 20:26:24 killed mine and want the tiles pre downloaded May 09 20:26:32 ovisuite does not work anymore? May 09 20:26:51 nope not for me May 09 20:27:32 pc suite points to a maps webpage and nokiasuite refuses to work (win7 64b) May 09 20:27:57 on xp pc-suite dies at 99% download May 09 20:28:18 you should use ovisuite on xp May 09 20:28:41 cannot install... have no space left on c at work May 09 20:28:49 aah May 09 20:28:59 hmm I think my netbook still has xp on it... May 09 20:29:04 lmc May 09 20:29:13 did you try "compat" mode under win7? May 09 20:29:48 maybe that was how I did it last time (2 years ago), it never worked on my home nor my office pc afair May 09 20:30:10 no the suite works flawless apart of the maps thing May 09 20:30:36 could be something with usb drivers then May 09 20:35:44 hm, powesaving. If I disable bt powersaving... May 09 20:36:41 ShadowJK, here http://dox.bg/files/dw?a=dcb2ef99a6 May 09 20:37:03 didn't tried it, be prepared to flash omap1 kernel May 09 20:37:35 ShadowJK, it has somthing to do with BT sniff mode May 09 20:39:54 (in)stalling May 09 20:41:09 "omap1" kernel? May 09 20:41:21 stock kernel May 09 20:41:33 . May 09 20:42:02 if something goes wring and you cannot boot to maemo using KP, then you can flash only stack kernel May 09 20:42:09 *wrong May 09 20:42:31 you mean this is compiled against stock kernel, or "be prepared to reflash if it bootloops"? :) May 09 20:42:43 be prepared to reflash if it bootloops May 09 20:43:32 I mean there is no need to reflash the whole rootfs if it bootloops, just stock kernel is enough May 09 20:44:09 starts without even a loadingscreen May 09 20:44:46 this is against KP50? May 09 20:44:53 yep May 09 20:45:32 erm, emergency request - I got a call during IRC via xchat, and now, after call, my screen is stuck into something like "half-portrair" May 09 20:45:58 ever since 2.0x I was betatesting their alpha shit... noteing all the idiotic shit they do... they reply in a indien-callcenter manner and nothing changes ever... May 09 20:45:59 things rotate properly, but only 2/3 of screen is occupied, even in landscape May 09 20:46:20 ouch May 09 20:46:22 it just like orfientation in landscape changed to 480x800 instead of 800x480 May 09 20:46:51 nothing seems to work when I try to restore it, but I would like to help debugging this issue May 09 20:47:11 freemangordon or any other CSSU dev, what should I do beside taking screenahot? May 09 20:47:32 Estel^, does it rotate? May 09 20:48:03 something in syslog? May 09 20:48:07 widgets reorganize, but screen stays using only 480 pixels of width May 09 20:48:28 I.e. it's stuck in "portrait-landscape", hard to describe May 09 20:49:02 ok, open a terminal (or better ssh session) May 09 20:49:14 device acknowledge rotation, widgets reorganize and programs too, but screen doesn't rotate, emr, physically May 09 20:49:49 yea, ssh session I'm opening, as Isee only 2/3 of every irc line :P May 09 20:50:16 powersaving disabled, 100mA drain in idle heh. Let's try if hf works May 09 20:50:40 ssh estabilised May 09 20:51:13 (currently at work s cant really risk installing stuffa) May 09 20:54:00 ShadowJK, the worst thing that could happen if nonfunctional BT May 09 20:54:05 *is May 09 20:54:27 Ok, disabling park, sniff, hold worked, talked over a minute May 09 21:05:55 Hey a stock-kernel fix for this would be a script to switch off sniff,park,hold on incoming/outgoing call, heh. May 09 21:16:56 ShadowJK, how do you disable that? May 09 21:22:34 MrPingu: he grew out of it May 09 21:25:50 hciconfig hci0 lp May 09 21:26:03 (to see current link policy) May 09 21:27:01 hciconfig hci0 lp rswitch May 09 21:27:01 (to disable everything except rswitch) May 09 21:27:01 hciconfig hci0 lp RSWITCH,HOLD,SNIFF,PARK May 09 21:27:02 (to put back the way it was) May 09 21:27:31 So, it works when SNIFF is disabled? May 09 21:29:16 DocScrutinizer: infobot joined! May 09 21:29:47 I disabled everything except rswitch May 09 21:30:25 So I didn't specifically test sniff in isolation May 09 21:34:49 freemangordon: ShadowJK: isn't it quite simple? you just rename bt.ko to bt:with_patch.ko, then you modprobe either one or the other May 09 21:35:22 DocScrutinizer, nah, you cannot rmmod bt.ko May 09 21:35:26 MohammadAG: I's say you *should NOT* install fremantle and HARM in same scratchbox May 09 21:36:50 freemangordon: even if you can't modprobe -r, you still can make it pick one of both at boot time May 09 21:37:07 MohammadAG: and I will agree with DocScrutinizer in case you're going to use that for CSSU builds May 09 21:40:11 and a proposed solution is? May 09 21:40:38 can I have two scratchbox installations? May 09 21:40:48 use vmware images May 09 21:41:40 performance hit May 09 21:41:50 but sure, Fremantle only it is... May 09 21:42:57 MohammadAG, not such a big performance hit, that is what I am using, an dcan tell you that is fully usable May 09 21:43:26 well, 4 phenom cores, but still May 09 21:45:58 for some reason MyDocs locked up read-only three times so far... May 09 21:46:20 MohammadAG: yes, basically you can have multiple SB instances May 09 21:46:43 the main problem with SB is the "hardcoded" patch /scratchbox May 09 21:47:13 uh scratchbox is the devil in disguise May 09 21:47:15 I guess there's an 'unknown' cmdline option for installer, to install it to anywhere else May 09 21:47:43 s/patch/path/ May 09 21:47:45 quick off-topic lame question, who remember command to check hardware revision + another one to check already installed variant (global, UK, USA, asia etc) of N900? May 09 21:48:10 how's that OT? May 09 21:48:27 I convinced my mother to sell her xperia x10 mini pro and buy N900 (sic!), found a 120$ used in ideeal condition here in Poland May 09 21:48:38 off-topic from scratchbox talk :P May 09 21:49:20 Estel_: sysinfo-tool -l May 09 21:49:26 It got UK style plug charger, so its probably UK variant, but I would like to be sure May 09 21:49:28 thanks May 09 21:49:58 sysinfo-tool -g /component/hw-build May 09 21:50:16 Estel_: a used device I would reflash vanilla anyways May 09 21:50:25 just to be sure May 09 21:50:26 any day May 09 21:50:34 I'll reflash it vanilla of course May 09 21:50:48 btw there's simply no hw-variants, modulo the keymat May 09 21:51:03 Estel_: you do not need to know anything but what to flash May 09 21:51:18 localized hw variants I mean May 09 21:51:31 global versus UK/etc variants for fiasco doesn't matter? May 09 21:51:37 it's just a "shipped with" condition May 09 21:51:45 ah I see May 09 21:52:01 uk had limitations afair May 09 21:52:18 like radio and stuff May 09 21:52:36 fmtx May 09 21:52:40 well, since bought N900 had to reflash only once, on day four, when I screwed multiboot item (not full reflash, just kernel) so I always though it does matter May 09 21:53:23 so all those things like fmtx unblock were written for people, who could just reflash to have it unlocked?! May 09 21:53:32 no just make sure you flash rootfs AND emmc at the same time without reboot May 09 21:53:53 yea, remember about that May 09 21:54:13 I never needed any unlock for fmtx May 09 21:54:19 but boost May 09 21:54:59 BTW, yesterday, I was fixing one N900 with USBmport torn away with pads - I used testpads. as for data+/data-, only one lacking element is common mode choke, but what about +5V? May 09 21:55:19 it lacks 2A 5V fuse for sure when goes from testpads May 09 21:55:28 any other lacking things? DocScrutinizer? :P May 09 21:56:03 well, I've used jacekowski's fmtx (still using it) so boost not needed, also, kernel-power set it to 120 from version 48 or 49 May 09 21:58:43 damn connection May 09 21:59:12 I'm really thinking about using small custom PCB with springs touching correct testpads,in custom aluminum body for N900 May 09 21:59:34 to create alternative plug for charging and USB, without wear&tear for default USB May 09 22:00:13 common mode choke lacking in USB circuit from testpads isn't any problem, untill You work on naked nuclear reactor May 09 22:00:33 Estel_: I elaborated on components and their names missing when using the testpads for USB, on tmo May 09 22:00:47 but I'm worried about +5V from testpads. Fuse can be incorporated into design May 09 22:00:48 yea, but latter May 09 22:01:18 blue_led denied lacking of ESD protection on data+ and - via testpads May 09 22:01:18 and it seems that he is right May 09 22:01:23 following tracks on schematics May 09 22:01:31 uhuh May 09 22:01:45 I'm less experienced than You, but it seems that really only common mode choke is missing on data+- May 09 22:02:02 which sound reasonable, as direct connection to chip, even in lab, would be insane May 09 22:02:06 plus tranzorbs I'd guess May 09 22:02:38 which are the real problem May 09 22:03:23 as those do all the ESD protection May 09 22:03:23 high power current switching? May 09 22:04:14 Estel_: sorry I have no link to my tmo post at hand May 09 22:04:27 ok, will ensure that. I'm hestitant to design anything that can hurt someone's device May 09 22:04:34 you'll have to search it in those half dozen USB related threads May 09 22:04:36 no problem, I'll find it May 09 22:04:40 :P May 09 22:04:50 it's on "repair before and aftefr to late" May 09 22:04:53 seen it yesterday May 09 22:05:18 all info from there are 100% confirmed from Your own research? May 09 22:05:52 I'm asking, cause some time ago it was said that it's direct connection to USB chip, which isn't true, many FUD circulating around TMO when it goes to testpads and hardware May 09 22:06:23 if something is small, cheap and easily available I can incorporate it into cuatom body on small PCB May 09 22:06:25 when possible May 09 22:06:34 to add *before* testpads May 09 22:07:23 it would be "supercool" to allow people owning my custom alum body to have alternative USB connection with charging capabilities, yet, I still have to decide if doing smth like that is feasible for body replacement May 09 22:09:41 Estel_: the info in that post listing names of components missing when testpads used has been done by me, directly from schematics May 09 22:10:52 ok, thanks a lot May 09 22:11:26 btw Your personal opinion on possibility to reproduce them on small PCB "outside" N900, i.e. connecting to testpads after PCB? May 09 22:11:38 (pcb would be incorporated into body replacement) May 09 22:11:58 to reproduce them cheaply* May 09 22:12:26 feasible May 09 22:14:35 I still recommend the proper fix, using original location of USB receptacle, and wiring to next possible contact May 09 22:14:48 damn, I'm really tempted by this feature request. Although I must be careful, someone already wanted me to include solar panel LOL May 09 22:14:49 if pads are gone May 09 22:15:00 yea, but proper fix require acces to motherboard May 09 22:15:22 and I mean project of creating replacement aluminum (black) body for N900 May 09 22:15:39 o.O May 09 22:15:57 with properly shielded hirose cables for connecting into motherboard and normal plugs on outer body side May 09 22:16:13 most people are already aware of this project :P (shameless note) May 09 22:16:13 why would you want an alu case? don't you need any BR, WLAN, GSM? May 09 22:16:18 BT* May 09 22:16:54 hey, if done properly it boost reception instead of lowering it, havent You heard about phones with alu body from factory::P May 09 22:16:58 ooh May 09 22:17:11 haha May 09 22:17:54 * DocScrutinizer envisions Estel_ explaining customers "you're holding it incorrectly" May 09 22:18:00 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=83928 May 09 22:18:03 very funny May 09 22:18:19 I'm planing to incoporate antenna elements outside I mean build in May 09 22:18:33 default N900 antennas are also plastic parts with antenna inside May 09 22:18:51 sure May 09 22:18:54 alu body will act like reflector, actually May 09 22:19:05 but not enclosed in an alu can May 09 22:19:19 of course May 09 22:19:21 unless You're treating it as tinfoil hat :P May 09 22:19:37 worriede that someone will hack u through l33t wifi May 09 22:20:43 Estel_: antenna design is pretty fsckng difficult for 'normal' designs May 09 22:20:48 don't quote me on that, but I've also heard that simply connecting all antenna springs to allu case also boost reception, but I don't plan to use such approach :P May 09 22:20:54 true May 09 22:21:11 yet I'm quite experienced with fractal antennas May 09 22:21:25 in 4nec it works, will try in real life :P May 09 22:21:30 it's near impossible to get anything semi-working in an alu case, without a RF design house to do the job and provide the experience May 09 22:22:08 BTW doesn't N950 had alu body? May 09 22:22:24 not at ends, where antennae live May 09 22:22:31 wtf I fucked words placement in that question May 09 22:22:49 which is how I plan to do it :) May 09 22:23:00 mhm May 09 22:23:14 do You think that it may turns out to be hard in design May 09 22:23:26 i.e. result in antenna that works only when held "correctly" ? May 09 22:23:35 quite a bit, but feasible if you're experienced in RF May 09 22:24:08 hope that I'm experienced enough ;) May 09 22:24:25 and don't worry about "correct holding" - this applies to standard N900 as well ;-D May 09 22:24:33 btw I've hard that You tried to use hirose connectors and external antennas May 09 22:24:35 haha May 09 22:24:56 I did that on GTA02 May 09 22:25:01 in Your case, it resulted in worse reception due to a) bad antenna b) lack of shielding on cable? May 09 22:25:12 nope May 09 22:25:13 ah I see May 09 22:25:40 c) fcked design of gta02 when it comes to hirose connectors? ;P May 09 22:26:12 well, for what I did on GTA02, it worked May 09 22:26:54 oh, so someone was spreading fud about Your results May 09 22:27:05 which basically been: attach test adapter to test receptacle, attach GSM antenna to test adapter May 09 22:28:39 and for FUD, I think you confuse me with somebody else May 09 22:28:55 you, or that someone May 09 22:29:41 possible, memories fade. May 09 22:30:09 anyway, I'm off, thanks for today talk + freemangordon for debugging sessiosn :P May 09 22:30:17 see ya! May 09 23:14:20 hi May 09 23:14:56 there's a script that calculates the WEP key for some modems (huawei): http://websec.ca/blog/view/mac2wepkey_huawei May 09 23:16:07 is there a way to hook into the connection process so that the calculated key can be set automatically? May 09 23:17:21 the ideal scenario would be: click on "internet connections", select the one you would like to connect to, and the key would be calculated and set on the fly May 09 23:19:50 hihi May 10 00:20:43 hi May 10 00:22:27 hi May 10 00:23:26 ok soo.... May 10 00:23:32 i have n900 that was working fine May 10 00:23:37 now it wont boot May 10 00:23:53 what's the exact symptoms? May 10 00:24:55 i get yellow (charge) light x2, then faint Nokia screen, then white pips for like 1 second, enough to go left to right and roght to middle left, then it switches off and repeats. May 10 00:24:57 iBorg: what's the exact symptoms? May 10 00:25:06 i have 2 new batteries fully charged May 10 00:25:19 same issue May 10 00:25:33 oh and the phone wont do anything if the power cable is not plugged in May 10 00:25:34 ie: May 10 00:26:14 ie a fully charged battery put in and the phone wont turn on May 10 00:26:45 only when the power cable and battery is in does it cycle May 10 00:26:49 it won't do *anything* when you insert battery and then press powerbutton? May 10 00:26:50 any ideas ? May 10 00:26:56 nope May 10 00:27:43 what's the yellow light like, when you plug in wallcharger? is it steady for some seconds? May 10 00:28:27 it lights up 2 times sometimes 3 and then faint nokia screen, then white pips and then off as described above May 10 00:28:47 so you say it blinks? May 10 00:28:55 2 times sometimes 3 May 10 00:28:57 and what are white pips? May 10 00:29:35 the screen comes on pips = the screens white forward and back "progress bar" May 10 00:29:54 umm May 10 00:30:25 I think I've never seen that progress bar, maybe I'm just too tired May 10 00:30:26 ok, so... May 10 00:30:41 well when the phone boots the screen comes on May 10 00:30:58 theres like 5 white dots on screen May 10 00:31:07 the animated balls moving left/right like knight rider scanner May 10 00:31:09 first a "NOKIA" without backlight, then a blue NOKIA on white with backlight May 10 00:31:11 yea May 10 00:31:22 hmm May 10 00:31:24 yes, then 5 dots May 10 00:31:29 yea 5 dots May 10 00:31:31 the knightrider dots May 10 00:31:32 = pips lol May 10 00:31:37 yea thats the thing May 10 00:31:48 mhm May 10 00:31:57 you need to reflash May 10 00:32:06 thats been suggested... May 10 00:32:07 however May 10 00:32:30 ive tried to get the phone into that mode but it wont May 10 00:32:31 and May 10 00:33:15 much to the dismay of my m8, he says there supposed to be a USB sign in top right when pressing U key...my phone dont get that far May 10 00:33:53 ive tied putting battery in, then the power chord. and pressing U May 10 00:34:13 the phone is here now just looping as above May 10 00:34:52 please try the following: completely switch off phone, open slider and press&hold 'u' key, while holding the key you insert the original Nokia wallcharger May 10 00:35:21 with or without battery in ? May 10 00:35:26 with May 10 00:35:45 remove nad re-insert battery to make sure it's powered down May 10 00:36:00 then hold 'u', plug USB charger May 10 00:36:09 ok im waiting a few secs... May 10 00:36:19 battery in.. May 10 00:36:30 ok May 10 00:36:35 it buzzed... May 10 00:36:44 faint nokia sign May 10 00:36:49 2 yellow lights# May 10 00:36:59 night rider lights May 10 00:37:09 yur battery is too low May 10 00:37:11 and its turned off and now repeating.. May 10 00:37:22 i have 2 battery May 10 00:37:30 and charger say they are both charged May 10 00:37:48 whatever your charger may be, it's incorrect May 10 00:37:57 hmm ok May 10 00:38:14 or both batteries are defect May 10 00:38:41 weird May 10 00:38:50 the original battery was left in it flat May 10 00:39:01 in theory also N900 could have a very unusual defect to cause that, but we've never seen this so far May 10 00:39:05 its after it wouldnt take a charge that i got new 1;s May 10 00:39:23 im gona try the other battery May 10 00:39:35 do you have a voltmeter? May 10 00:40:03 nope May 10 00:40:30 any other Nokia device to charge the BL-5J battery? May 10 00:40:53 some other Nokia phones use it as well May 10 00:41:00 i have a dedicated charger i brought May 10 00:41:24 yep, I suspect it's either crap by design, or defect May 10 00:41:50 strange May 10 00:42:07 do u know a place i can get another charger? May 10 00:42:19 :-) May 10 00:42:30 well, I don't even know where you live May 10 00:42:36 UK May 10 00:42:45 ebey ? May 10 00:42:49 ebay ? May 10 00:42:50 sorry, I'm on the continent May 10 00:43:25 chargers from ebay are of very indetermined quality May 10 00:43:39 hmm i was thinking getting another n900 from ebay May 10 00:44:04 you can find all from a plastic contraption with 2 wires to a plug for 5V wallwart charger May 10 00:44:25 to sophisticated charger with charger controller chip May 10 00:44:42 that should work as well May 10 00:44:53 or simply get another battery for 15 min May 10 00:44:55 have u got any links to chargers, so that i can find 1 in the uk of the same type ? May 10 00:45:00 a charged one May 10 00:45:05 yea May 10 00:45:11 maybe from a friend with a compatible Nokia phone May 10 00:45:23 i dont know anyione May 10 00:45:35 maybe a trip to the local phone shop ? May 10 00:45:40 yep May 10 00:45:43 good idea May 10 00:46:05 insist in buying a 100% charged battery May 10 00:46:21 ok May 10 00:46:27 i will give it a try May 10 00:46:37 or ask them for a proper charger May 10 00:46:43 yea May 10 00:46:46 or both May 10 00:46:50 though the good ones are not exactly cheap May 10 00:46:50 thing is May 10 00:46:58 how much are they where u are May 10 00:47:04 euros ? May 10 00:47:10 chargers? May 10 00:47:15 probably 30+ May 10 00:47:22 ok May 10 00:48:12 don't buy a charger that has no indicator for charge progress May 10 00:48:25 at very least a red and green LED or sth May 10 00:48:36 i have 1 May 10 00:49:08 its green with no battery, then red when battery is in and charging, then it goes green once charged May 10 00:49:26 even simpler: ask the friendly dude in shop if he can probe the actual battery voltage for you May 10 00:49:39 ok May 10 00:49:56 it should be considerably >4.00V May 10 00:50:04 i will try it in the morning May 10 00:50:08 maybe 4.1V optimum 4.2V May 10 00:50:11 i will let u know how i get on May 10 00:50:19 YW May 10 00:50:41 thanks again May 10 00:51:35 anyway - the boting with 'u' held down should result in dim NOKIA screen with USB icon in upper right corner. If it doesn't stay there, it's trying to charge battery as that is too weak for flashing May 10 00:51:54 ok May 10 00:51:55 too bad, when the system needs reflashing to even start charging May 10 00:52:02 a deadlock May 10 00:52:05 i dont even see a USB sign for a moment May 10 00:53:25 so very first thing for you to do tomorrow; find somebody with a voltmeter and ask him to probe exact voltage of both your batteries May 10 00:53:39 ok May 10 00:53:43 my dad has 1 May 10 00:53:48 i will pop there first May 10 00:53:48 (I gather you charged them immediately before you tried flashing) May 10 00:53:59 yea May 10 00:54:11 charger was red for a few secs then went green May 10 00:54:19 as ive charged them both up already May 10 00:54:27 if yur father has a voltmeter, he maybe also knows how to check your charger for correct operation May 10 00:54:57 hmmhmmmhmmmm May 10 00:55:01 i have a datacable also May 10 00:55:20 charger immediately switching to "charge end" is usually no good sign May 10 00:55:21 do i need a driver to charge the phone via usb/pc May 10 00:55:27 well May 10 00:55:49 no, not a driver, just a working system on phone May 10 00:55:52 originally with the new batteries... it took about 3-4 hours to go green May 10 00:55:56 and May 10 00:56:42 if i leave the phone 'cycling' then the battery does appear to run down, and require charging, then the charger stays red for some time, until green May 10 00:57:09 what's "some time" in minutes May 10 00:57:12 ? May 10 00:57:34 (and yes, bootloops will discharge battery) May 10 00:57:50 rapidly May 10 00:58:02 it depends on how long i leave it looping May 10 00:58:54 both the new batteries were 'fully charged' when i put them away the other day May 10 01:00:24 the batteries i got are identical to the original May 10 01:00:53 and the charger is the same as my friend has for his n900, but he lives 200 miles away May 10 01:00:56 you should actually take your phone and Nokia wallwart PSU to phone shop, and ask to use a new BL-5J to do the boot+'u' test May 10 01:01:18 ok May 10 01:01:34 yea both my batteries are Bl-5J May 10 01:01:44 a charged 'new' (or known good) BL-5J May 10 01:01:46 even have the holograms on May 10 01:01:55 ok May 10 01:02:21 it might actually be your charger killing batteries May 10 01:03:29 ok i will try and get it sorted tomorrow May 10 01:04:29 thanks again... May 10 01:04:35 i will let u know how i get on May 10 01:04:37 afk May 10 01:05:06 o( May 10 01:05:09 err May 10 01:05:11 o/ May 10 01:05:21 cya May 10 01:05:26 chat soon May 10 01:05:26 . May 10 01:05:52 WTF wiki now sends notifications with IP instead of proper URL May 10 01:06:25 like "see: http://80.248.164.233/index.php?title=Task:100Days&diff=0&oldid=45788 for changes" May 10 01:06:28 LOL May 10 01:13:30 who's maintaining the mediawiki stuff? May 10 01:13:35 X-Fade: ?? May 10 01:13:55 god is my friend May 10 01:14:28 X-Fade: see above, maemo wiki sends nonsensical modification notice mails, with IP instead URL May 10 01:18:59 X-Fade: I suspect the whole system is using the "URL" that any user used to access html. So for wiki.itt.com as well as wiki.maemo.org as well as http://80.248.164.233/ it even uses this URL as the one to place into generated webpages' links and also into change-notification mails May 10 01:26:34 where can i find documentation on what exactly happens on selecting an internet connection from the list? May 10 01:29:50 hard to find good documentation on this May 10 01:30:18 probably hard to find *any* May 10 01:42:07 :/ **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu May 10 03:00:03 2012