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May 10 03:03:45 <DocScrutinizer> anyway seems there's some knowledge about the process. You might just ask...
May 10 04:50:51 * ShadowJK tests bt with just hf disabled
May 10 04:50:53 <ShadowJK> uh
May 10 04:50:54 <ShadowJK> sniff
May 10 04:54:02 <ShadowJK> seems to work well
May 10 04:54:28 <ShadowJK> but the original issue can't reliable be reproduced
May 10 05:04:52 <ShadowJK> So.. One phone is N900 stock, other N900 kp50 default kp50 bt.ko... N900 stock worked 5 minutes straight with disabled sniff
May 10 05:05:12 <ShadowJK> however, now also kp50 is working it seems... :/
May 10 05:05:30 <ShadowJK> hard to reproduce D:
May 10 05:06:45 <ShadowJK> ok excellent, now also kp50 went buzzy
May 10 05:06:54 <ShadowJK> 3m3s
May 10 07:16:14 <ruskie> http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-57431236-92/microsoft-bans-firefox-on-arm-based-windows-mozilla-says/
May 10 07:21:04 <Sicelo> The chips have new requirements for security and power management, and Microsoft is the only one who can meet those needs.
May 10 07:21:10 <Sicelo> Nice, very nice
May 10 07:22:30 <chem|st> time for mozilla to consider changing from featurefancy to code performance
May 10 07:22:48 <jacekowski> i don't really see any details in that article
May 10 07:25:07 <tank-man> no firefox on xbox either, so
May 10 12:04:51 <vi__> yo
May 10 12:05:03 <vi__> where can can I get a new N900 keyboard?
May 10 12:05:37 <vi__> I bought one on ebay but it is shite quality.
May 10 12:10:05 <chem|st> vi__: continent?
May 10 12:11:00 <chem|st> 1: QWERTY KEYMAT ENGLISH NOKIA Repair Parts 0265740
May 10 12:11:26 <chem|st> vi__: where are you at?
May 10 12:13:13 <chem|st> 2: http://www.mobilephonecrazy.com/modeldetail/N900,KeyPad.htm
May 10 12:21:40 <vi__> chem|st: UK
May 10 12:22:44 <vi__> uh huh...
May 10 12:22:46 <vi__> http://www.mobilephonecrazy.com/product/Signal%20booster.htm
May 10 12:24:55 <DocScrutinizer> vi__: depends on what you actually need
May 10 12:25:07 <DocScrutinizer> there'S domesheet and there's keymat
May 10 12:25:42 <DocScrutinizer> and there's plastic kbd frame
May 10 12:27:04 <vi__> I want the actual keyboard...
May 10 12:27:08 <DocScrutinizer> vi__: obviously new keymat won't help if the spring discs in domesheet are defect
May 10 12:27:23 <DocScrutinizer> vi__: damn, all that is keyboard
May 10 12:27:25 <vi__> Some of the letters have worn off my old one (return and right arrow)
May 10 12:27:35 <vi__> and I need some new letters
May 10 12:27:42 <DocScrutinizer> AHAA
May 10 12:27:47 <vi__> I do not know how else to say it.
May 10 12:28:05 <DocScrutinizer> so you need a new keymat
May 10 12:28:22 <DocScrutinizer> notorious problem with the paint coming off
May 10 12:28:49 <vi__> DocScrutinizer: what is the best solution?
May 10 12:29:02 <DocScrutinizer> my daily N900 has a small spot on e/3 key already
May 10 12:29:12 <DocScrutinizer> vi__: new keymat :-)
May 10 12:29:36 <chem|st> domesheet + keymat, if not carefull
May 10 12:29:47 <DocScrutinizer> of course you might consider applying some sort of protector foil to the new keymat
May 10 12:29:59 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: my e key lost its preasrepoint gtg
May 10 12:30:06 <StyXman> vi__: keymat is the black thinguie where all the letters are printed on and that you actually touch when you want to press the key
May 10 12:30:10 <DocScrutinizer> chem|st: new domesheet
May 10 12:31:02 <vi__> yes, but where do I get a new genuine one?
May 10 12:31:21 <DocScrutinizer> google / ebay
May 10 12:31:40 <DocScrutinizer> chem|st gave a good set of keywords, plus some link aiui
May 10 12:31:49 <vi__> ebay only has fakes
May 10 12:31:59 <DocScrutinizer> hmm
May 10 12:32:11 <vi__> I have emailed the link provided by chem|st to enquire if the keymat is a genuine nokia one
May 10 12:33:24 <DocScrutinizer> I bought my last one from a local seller here in Germany, for almost 20EUR, and it's been a genuine one and worked fine (means as the original one)
May 10 12:34:04 <DocScrutinizer> http://www.saremi-mobilfunk.de/
May 10 12:35:27 <DocScrutinizer> http://www.saremi-mobilfunk.de/product_info.php/info/p4370_Original-Nokia-N900-Keypad-QWERTZ.html
May 10 12:35:56 <DocScrutinizer> http://www.saremi-mobilfunk.de/product_info.php/info/p4575_Original-Nokia-N900-Keypad-QWERTY--english-.html
May 10 12:36:13 <DocScrutinizer> HTH
May 10 12:38:08 <jean_brat> hi,i have an issue with my n900 and it does not boot,it turned off coz of low battery but now i am using a fully charged battery from an another phone
May 10 12:38:20 <DocScrutinizer> vi__: http://www.saremi-mobilfunk.de/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=n900&x=0&y=0
May 10 12:38:58 <jean_brat> NOKIA screen comes and it fades away .. it does not show the usual booting bar with ....(4 dots) at akk
May 10 12:38:59 <DocScrutinizer> jean_brat: reflash
May 10 12:39:29 <jean_brat> any documents on how to do it?
May 10 12:39:36 <DocScrutinizer> ~flash
May 10 12:39:37 <infobot> i guess maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
May 10 12:40:26 <DocScrutinizer> take care about your battery! it needs to have sufficient charge to flash successfully. And your phone won't charge battery in that state
May 10 12:41:05 <DocScrutinizer> you need full battery to flash, you need flashed phone to charge battery! think about it!
May 10 12:41:46 <jean_brat> i have a fully charged battery from my 5800
May 10 12:41:53 <DocScrutinizer> good! :-D
May 10 12:42:14 <jean_brat> a question.. if any thing happens such as power down of my system or something like that will i able to do it again?
May 10 12:42:24 <jean_brat> or is it a risky attempt?
May 10 12:43:41 <StyXman> jean_brat: I flashed my phone at least 3 times with no problems
May 10 12:43:41 <DocScrutinizer> yes, no risk at all
May 10 12:43:56 <DocScrutinizer> you basically can't brick the N900
May 10 12:44:05 <StyXman> just have a full battery and you're set
May 10 12:44:11 <DocScrutinizer> :nod:
May 10 12:44:27 <DocScrutinizer> worst case is that you'd need to do a coldflash
May 10 12:44:54 <DocScrutinizer> *very* rarely needed but no problem, if you manage to run into that situation
May 10 12:46:01 <DocScrutinizer> in your case anyway a pretty normal reflash of *COMBINED* only will do
May 10 12:56:50 <kent_autistic> sup yall. does frequently going to network connections in the status menu consume much power? i want to connect to network internet easily but hesitant to add connectnow widget into my homescreens
May 10 12:59:38 <hurrian> no, it doesnt, only consumes power for waking up the wifi radio and screen, same as connectnow
May 10 13:00:16 <kent_autistic> whats up kapatid
May 10 13:01:36 <kent_autistic> salamat!
May 10 13:11:36 <DocScrutinizer> err, connectnow??
May 10 13:12:05 <DocScrutinizer> is this some nifty widget to save one click on screen?
May 10 13:13:14 <kent_autistic> two clicks and 4 secs
May 10 13:14:07 <DocScrutinizer> ooh, and btw what hurrian said is only partially true. It's true it only activates WLAN chip and screen and uses a bit of CPU cycles, but WLAN chip will do a scan and that's eating quite a bit of energy
May 10 13:15:02 <DocScrutinizer> dang, you need 2 seconds / click? ;-D
May 10 13:15:11 <kent_autistic> ooooh thats what i wanted to know. sorry for the incomplete query. if frequent scans consume significant power
May 10 13:15:23 <kent_autistic> the scans take 2 secs!
May 10 13:16:21 <DocScrutinizer> well, if connectnow does scans in background to keep list of AP up-to-date, then I'd consider it a pretty nasty app and for sure a battery killer
May 10 13:16:35 <DocScrutinizer> scans take more than 2sec
May 10 13:16:58 <DocScrutinizer> fist results may show up after 2 sec
May 10 13:17:03 <DocScrutinizer> first*
May 10 13:17:34 <DocScrutinizer> but I frequently see APs getting added to that list even 20s after I opened it
May 10 13:18:15 <DocScrutinizer> that's however the way WLAN chips work, not much to be done about it
May 10 13:19:07 <DocScrutinizer> btw all this resulted in "period between scans" setting on settings-internet-wlan
May 10 13:21:21 <vi__> why not just make a widget with QBW or DCEW that uses the 'connect to any' dbus call?
May 10 13:21:41 <vi__> This allows you to go online with 1 click prioritising wlan.
May 10 13:22:32 <vi__> It checks for known wifi, then GPRS and if that failz, opens a 'choose connection' dialogue.
May 10 13:25:57 <DocScrutinizer> sounds cool
May 10 13:26:21 <DocScrutinizer> I won't need it as my WLAN connects automatically anyway
May 10 13:26:51 <DocScrutinizer> and fallback is GPRS which I never feel like shutting down
May 10 13:27:08 <vi__> DocScrutinizer: so you are connected 24/7
May 10 13:27:09 <vi__> ?
May 10 13:27:14 <DocScrutinizer> yep, sure
May 10 13:27:32 <vi__> how long does your battery last?
May 10 13:27:39 <DocScrutinizer> otherwise my SIP number was a bit useless, and xchat wouldn't really work the way I want it to
May 10 13:27:58 <DocScrutinizer> usually at least 16h, I.E. long enough
May 10 13:28:02 <DocScrutinizer> on 2G
May 10 13:28:29 <vi__> DocScrutinizer: you use n900 SIP? Do you use power kernel?
May 10 13:28:58 <DocScrutinizer> occasionally I switch to 3G for browsing and forget to return to 2G, and that may kill battery in like 5h
May 10 13:29:12 <DocScrutinizer> no, not on my daily phone
May 10 13:29:19 <DocScrutinizer> stock kernel
May 10 13:29:31 <jacekowski> sip over 2g?
May 10 13:29:36 <DocScrutinizer> just did a SIP call 3 min ago
May 10 13:29:48 <jacekowski> over 2g?
May 10 13:29:53 <DocScrutinizer> SIP over 2G tends to not really work nicely
May 10 13:29:55 <jacekowski> sounds like a name of a torture
May 10 13:30:07 <DocScrutinizer> I need to switch to 3G for convenient quality
May 10 13:30:54 <DocScrutinizer> and I couldn't say it's always available for inbound calls anyway
May 10 13:31:59 <DocScrutinizer> but that's not the main reason for 24/7 online, so I don't mind that much when inbound calls don't make it to my N900 when I'm not at home (i.e. not on WLAN)
May 10 13:32:29 <DocScrutinizer> outbound calls via 3G anyway work flawlessly
May 10 13:32:39 <vi__> Perhaps you might know if SIP quality suffers like skype quality when using PK?
May 10 13:32:52 <DocScrutinizer> sorry, no idea
May 10 13:33:25 <DocScrutinizer> but I'd say it shouldn't, neither on SIP nor on skype
May 10 13:33:43 <DocScrutinizer> I'd call it a regression in KP then
May 10 13:34:08 <DocScrutinizer> which should get a ticket and investigation by Pali ;-)
May 10 13:34:23 <vi__> heh, I think pali does enough
May 10 13:34:24 <DocScrutinizer> PK is supposed to 'just work'
May 10 13:35:05 <DocScrutinizer> vi__: any info on the particular nature of that suffering?
May 10 13:36:36 <vi__> sure.  When using skype the audio degrades (over about 5 seconds from the start of the call) to garbage at worst, choppy robot noises at best.
May 10 13:37:17 <vi__> Even with 2 devices on the same wlan (if skype even does any real P2P for that matter)
May 10 13:38:36 <vi__> I do not even want to use skype, however I know no way to skype<->SIP bridge.
May 10 13:38:49 <DocScrutinizer> vi__: any clue if that'S related to network jitter or audio/PA issues?
May 10 13:39:36 <DocScrutinizer> and skype<->SIP bridge is POTS :-D
May 10 13:40:03 <vi__> I suspect it is due to some kind of badly coded thing in N900 skype client.
May 10 13:40:18 <vi__> Skype works fine for two computers together on my home LAN
May 10 13:40:33 <vi__> just not N900 to computer
May 10 13:41:00 <vi__> On 3G it is just not worth even trying.
May 10 13:41:27 <vi__> However I seem to recall that skype worked 'ok' on nokia kernel.
May 10 13:44:38 <DocScrutinizer> well, voice call quality issues are basically of the class "hard to reproduce", means there's way too many variables influencing the result
May 10 13:46:33 <DocScrutinizer> so this means the fact it worked 6 months ago when you incidentally were on stock kernel doesn't mean the recent problems are caused by your transition to PK
May 10 13:47:31 <DocScrutinizer> could be anything from PK to codec picked by skype to network weather
May 10 13:50:00 <DocScrutinizer> first thing to evaluate was to switch forth and back between PK and stock 3 or 4 times and do a sequence of otherwise identical A/B tests
May 10 13:50:25 <vi__> DocScrutinizer: I agree
May 10 13:51:08 <DocScrutinizer> could be related to a lot of things in PK, if at all related to PK
May 10 13:51:20 <vi__> however I don't want to mess with my n900 any more than I have to.
May 10 13:51:34 <DocScrutinizer> e.g. network subsystem - PK has netfilters etc
May 10 13:51:51 <DocScrutinizer> scheduling
May 10 13:52:16 <DocScrutinizer> audio drivers
May 10 13:52:43 <DocScrutinizer> or some strange dependency of skype to any idiosyncrasy of stock kernel
May 10 13:55:34 <jean_brat> on the download page.. what is the correct image to be flashed EMMC of combined?
May 10 13:55:46 <jean_brat> what is the difference between two?
May 10 13:59:25 <hurrian> EMMC = 32GB storage, containing user programs and documents
May 10 13:59:46 <hurrian> the other one is the system
May 10 14:02:04 <jean_brat> EMMC is not country specific?
May 10 14:02:09 <hurrian> yeah
May 10 14:02:17 <hurrian> actually, you're better off flashing the GLOBAL images
May 10 14:02:48 <DocScrutinizer> usually
May 10 14:02:57 <jean_brat> so the procedure is to flash EMMC and then FIASCO?
May 10 14:03:12 <DocScrutinizer> you probably don't need to flash EMMC
May 10 14:03:59 <hurrian> *note: flashing EMMC removes all your stuff on the internal storage
May 10 14:04:07 <jean_brat> i will do it , just to clean em once it for all
May 10 14:04:12 <DocScrutinizer> if however you do, then yes, the recommended sequence is to flash eMMC first, as this avoids the problem of unintended boots in between flashing
May 10 14:04:25 <hurrian> the order doesn't really matter, though
May 10 14:04:32 <DocScrutinizer> not really
May 10 14:05:11 <DocScrutinizer> but eMMC first, or rather COMBINED last, is a safe way to make sure nothing goes awry during flashing procedure
May 10 14:05:44 <DocScrutinizer> flashing COMBINED first and then eMMC requires strict avoidance of accidentals boots between the two
May 10 14:06:38 <DocScrutinizer> even a few seconds suffice to end with a non working system, so you'll reflash COMBINED again as last step anyway
May 10 14:06:46 <jean_brat> RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin  is the latest one i believe
May 10 14:07:00 <DocScrutinizer> yup
May 10 14:07:09 <DocScrutinizer> I think so
May 10 14:07:21 <DocScrutinizer> rightmost col tells what's "recent"
May 10 14:07:52 <DocScrutinizer> so there shouldn't be any doubt really
May 10 14:09:51 <jean_brat> cool
May 10 14:09:58 <jean_brat> version numbering is confusing
May 10 14:10:07 <DocScrutinizer> indeed
May 10 14:10:58 <DocScrutinizer> the advantage of flashing COMBINED first, then eMMC is you don't need to reboot or shut down device between the two steps
May 10 14:11:18 <DocScrutinizer> so this is considered the method for advanced users
May 10 14:11:43 <DocScrutinizer> while flashing COMBINEd last is the foolproof method
May 10 14:12:13 <DocScrutinizer> less convenient but "works always"
May 10 14:15:13 <jean_brat> DocScrutinizer, its mentioned in RED that dont reboot between 2 flashes?
May 10 14:16:43 <DocScrutinizer> yes, it's mandatory for the power-user method (COMBINED then EMMC)
May 10 14:17:10 <DocScrutinizer> it's basically irrelevant for the foolproof method (EMMC first then COMBINED)
May 10 14:19:32 <DocScrutinizer> look, flashing eMMC nukes /opt. First boot after flashing COMBINED *prepares* /opt
May 10 14:19:55 <DocScrutinizer> you can't rerun "first boot" /opt preparation process
May 10 14:20:44 <DocScrutinizer> so the safe way is to flash COMBINED *after* eMMC
May 10 14:21:37 <DocScrutinizer> or you make damn sure you don't run "first boot" after flashing COMBINED before flashing eMMC
May 10 14:22:18 <DocScrutinizer> if you accidentally did, it's "flash COMBINED *again*, after flashing eMMC"
May 10 14:24:52 <DocScrutinizer> if however your rootfs / system is severely messed up, it will refuse flashing eMMC. So you need to flash COMBINED _first_ then, to make flashing eMMC even work. Then you might have to flash COMBINED again, after flashing eMMC if you accidentally booted device before flashing eMMC
May 10 14:26:45 <DocScrutinizer> baseline, whatever you do, you should end with a successfully flashed system, if only you did flash the right images for both eMMC and COMBINED, and you ended your several flashing procedures with a COMBINED flash
May 10 14:27:40 <DocScrutinizer> first boot will take quite some time - don't shut down the system during that
May 10 14:27:58 <DocScrutinizer> like: several minutes
May 10 14:28:42 <jean_brat> hmm.. i have whole night to get through this
May 10 14:28:54 <chem|st> that is why your battery should have a charge of at least 80%
May 10 14:28:55 <DocScrutinizer> should suffice
May 10 14:29:01 <DocScrutinizer> indeed
May 10 14:29:03 <DocScrutinizer> :-D
May 10 14:29:48 <jean_brat> so flashing EMMC requires an hour at least?
May 10 14:29:56 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: while downloading and transfering maps with nokiasuite MyDocs locked ro several times, should I be worried?
May 10 14:30:12 <DocScrutinizer> hmmm, probably
May 10 14:30:34 <DocScrutinizer> I'd do a eMMC reflash
May 10 14:30:55 <chem|st> means having a vanilla device again^^
May 10 14:31:09 <chem|st> I do not like!
May 10 14:31:10 <DocScrutinizer> followed by a fsck for bad blocks maybe - though I gather that doesn't help for MMC
May 10 14:31:23 <vi__> Then you should install batterypatch for total max performance life.
May 10 14:31:26 <DocScrutinizer> do proper backups, fool! ;-D
May 10 14:31:26 <chem|st> no wont do good
May 10 14:31:43 <chem|st> vi__: what is batterypatch?
May 10 14:31:51 <DocScrutinizer> batterypatch BWAHAHAHA
May 10 14:32:03 <vi__> chem|st: A bad TMO joke.
May 10 14:32:19 <chem|st> all the good jokes I miss :(
May 10 14:32:21 <DocScrutinizer> almost as silly as nosmoke.exe
May 10 14:32:26 <chem|st> hehe
May 10 14:32:52 <chem|st> or pepperoni_cutter.exe^^
May 10 14:35:43 <DocScrutinizer> jean_brat: no, flashinf eMMC takes like 2..3 minutes iirc
May 10 14:36:37 <DocScrutinizer> this is not N9 ;-)
May 10 14:37:05 <vi__> DocScrutinizer: is 'softpoweroff' on MCE a script?
May 10 14:37:07 <DocScrutinizer> and flahser for N900 is flasher-3.5, not flasher-3.12
May 10 14:37:25 <jean_brat> Fremantle and Diablo flasher is not available in 64bit?
May 10 14:37:31 <DocScrutinizer> vi__: probably
May 10 14:37:47 <DocScrutinizer> jean_brat: please read 
May 10 14:37:49 <DocScrutinizer> ~flash
May 10 14:37:50 <infobot> rumour has it, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
May 10 14:37:56 <DocScrutinizer> it's explained there
May 10 14:38:11 <DocScrutinizer> you need 32bit-compat-libs installed on 64bit systems
May 10 14:38:18 <DocScrutinizer> linux
May 10 14:39:01 <DocScrutinizer> and iirc there's some weird systemconfig bit to set, to make it work
May 10 14:40:09 <DocScrutinizer> bbl
May 10 14:46:54 <jean_brat> -k, --kernel=ARG  is for EMMC image correct?
May 10 14:50:02 <Sicelo> no
May 10 14:50:55 <DocScrutinizer> ~flash
May 10 14:50:56 <infobot> hmm... maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
May 10 14:51:31 <DocScrutinizer> please read the complete page
May 10 15:07:39 <Darkchaos> Guys, i have a serious problem. i started rm -rf * in /, was not what i wanted to do :/ but i could stop it very fast
May 10 15:08:12 <Darkchaos> my problem is now, I'm missing some busybox commands but I can access the gnu-utils and dpkg
May 10 15:08:49 <merlin1991> dafuq?
May 10 15:08:59 <merlin1991> also, reslash
May 10 15:09:05 <merlin1991> *reflash*
May 10 15:09:23 <StyXman> Darkchaos: does apt-get work?
May 10 15:09:29 <merlin1991> StyXman: no point
May 10 15:09:31 <Darkchaos> but it's running. Is the no way to redownload these
May 10 15:09:38 <merlin1991> post and preinst use busybox stuff
May 10 15:09:43 <StyXman> you can do an ugly thin which is force the reinstallation of all the packages
May 10 15:09:44 <merlin1991> once busybox is gone you're fucked
May 10 15:09:53 <Darkchaos> No it doesn't because it's using tar
May 10 15:10:07 <merlin1991> "post and preinst"
May 10 15:10:17 <merlin1991> the shellscripts inside the package
May 10 15:10:25 <merlin1991> they use busybox stuff, trust me
May 10 15:10:25 <Darkchaos> but I have tar etc because i later installed the gnu utils
May 10 15:10:37 <merlin1991> also debs are not tar, but ar
May 10 15:10:54 <Darkchaos> yes, but as long as the syntax is not that different, i could link "gtar" to "tar" which would work?
May 10 15:10:57 <jean_brat> hi i am facing an issue with the flasher and it displays
May 10 15:10:57 <Darkchaos> maybe?
May 10 15:11:09 <jean_brat> USB device found found at bus 001, device address 011.
May 10 15:11:09 <jean_brat> Error claiming USB interface: Operation not permitted
May 10 15:11:15 <merlin1991> "tar" and "ar" are completely different
May 10 15:11:19 <Darkchaos> ar is working
May 10 15:11:45 <merlin1991> well you could try a 
May 10 15:11:52 <merlin1991> apt-get install --reinstall busybox
May 10 15:11:55 <merlin1991> and go on from there
May 10 15:13:34 <Darkchaos> hmm ok flashing seems to be a nice idea as well, as my / was about 99% full, causing several errors such as impossibility of updating, forcing me to reboot the phone every day as calls were not incoming anymore
May 10 15:13:55 <Darkchaos> is flashing dangerous or hard?
May 10 15:14:07 <jacekowski> no
May 10 15:14:15 <jacekowski> if you can read the manual 
May 10 15:14:24 <jacekowski> but you can't brick your phone
May 10 15:15:13 <jacekowski> you can make it unbootable, but it can be recovered with nothing more than normal usb cable and PC
May 10 15:15:24 <Darkchaos> ok
May 10 15:15:39 <jacekowski> it may be complicated on windows
May 10 15:15:40 <Darkchaos> and my contacts and sms are all stored in /home? so copyin all this should be enough?
May 10 15:15:48 <jacekowski> yeah
May 10 15:16:02 <jacekowski> make a backup using normal backup app
May 10 15:16:07 <rm_work> if you are not changing software versions, yes
May 10 15:16:27 <rm_work> if you are moving from like 1.1 to 1.2 or something, it could be problematic just manually copying /home over
May 10 15:16:39 <rm_work> that's why we recommend you use the built-in backup application
May 10 15:16:43 <rm_work> assuming it still works :/
May 10 15:16:45 <Darkchaos> or if im not flashing the emmc works?
May 10 15:17:08 <rm_work> err this is maemo not harmattan, lol... so yeah, you should be fine
May 10 15:17:31 <rm_work> just backup your home
May 10 15:18:12 <Darkchaos> ok and contacts are in /home or smth not in /etc or something?
May 10 15:19:35 <Darkchaos> and how can i determinate which version i need to not update the software?
May 10 15:22:34 <Darkchaos> because I only want to keep contacts, sms and the call history, no applications
May 10 15:24:30 <Darkchaos> fuck, unnable to start up winscp to backup files :/
May 10 15:24:46 <jean_brat> Hi it took less the 3 mins to flash VEnnila and combined both
May 10 15:25:07 <jean_brat> don know if it deployed 32 gigs in 3 mins
May 10 15:25:21 <Darkchaos> can i save the data on the sd card somehow?
May 10 15:25:41 <Darkchaos> will this work?
May 10 15:25:49 <Darkchaos> ./media/mmc1
May 10 15:30:52 <jean_brat> hi i just flahsed it as per the instruction but device still does not boot
May 10 15:31:14 <jean_brat> after NOKIA logo ..... appears couple of times and then it turns off again
May 10 15:32:40 <jacekowski> jean_brat: then you didn't do it as per instruction
May 10 15:32:45 <jacekowski> ~flashing
May 10 15:32:46 <infobot> well, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
May 10 15:32:48 <jacekowski> read the whole thing
May 10 15:33:34 <Darkchaos> and only saving /home is enought
May 10 15:33:47 <Darkchaos> or how can i only backup several things
May 10 15:36:44 <jean_brat> jacekowski, i used the flsher script and deployed the vennila image and then diconnected the cable removed the battery for a while and reconnected it and deployed the combined image
May 10 15:36:48 <jean_brat> with -
May 10 15:36:57 <jean_brat> with -R for the last one
May 10 15:37:11 <jean_brat> it went without any issues neat and clean
May 10 15:37:29 <jean_brat> now when i turn back on.. it does not go beyond that screen
May 10 15:40:32 <Darkchaos> I Have to find out which Image to use, but I have no clue where?
May 10 15:40:47 <jacekowski> jean_brat: try doing it again
May 10 15:41:11 <jacekowski> and paste whole output to like pastebin.com
May 10 15:41:19 <jacekowski> and it takes like 5 minutes for first boot
May 10 15:42:20 <jean_brat> ok vennila is done again,
May 10 15:42:47 <Darkchaos> guys please, how can i determinate my maemo version by only using the shell?
May 10 15:43:19 <jean_brat> shell i have to keep the device connected to my laptop? after i install COMBINED..? untill it reboots?
May 10 15:43:38 <Darkchaos> The Problem is I cannot see the versions available because I have to shutdown my device for the IMEI, doing this, I cannot access maemo anymore
May 10 15:44:51 <chem|st> re
May 10 15:44:54 <jean_brat> jacekowski, what bothers me is.. on the task bar it keeps displaying n900 rom connected / disconnected during the procedure
May 10 15:45:00 <jean_brat> don know if its normal
May 10 15:46:58 <jean_brat> Finishing flashing... done
May 10 15:46:58 <jean_brat> Erasing CMT:  49%
May 10 15:47:21 <jean_brat> CMT ?? don knwo what that means
May 10 15:47:32 <jacekowski> cellmo
May 10 15:47:57 <jean_brat> 100% (185600 of 185600 kB, avg. 13641 kB/s)
May 10 15:47:58 <jean_brat> Finishing flashing... done
May 10 15:47:58 <jean_brat> CMT flashed successfully
May 10 15:48:18 <jean_brat> Finishing flashing... done
May 10 15:48:18 <jean_brat> CMT flashed successfully
May 10 15:48:25 <jacekowski> pastebin.com
May 10 15:49:58 <jean_brat> http://pastebin.com/QUp8Kpis
May 10 15:50:10 <jean_brat> i still have my USB connected 
May 10 15:50:19 <jean_brat> shell i remove?
May 10 15:50:53 <jean_brat> its doing something and vibrater is sounding ever 5 second
May 10 15:51:12 <chem|st> the vibrating is odd
May 10 15:51:19 <chem|st> disconnect and boot
May 10 15:51:54 <jean_brat> and the light is blinking like the charging indication
May 10 15:51:59 <Darkchaos> jacekowski: How do I know which firmware I'm running. (using debian) And whats the difference between emmc and usual flashing?
May 10 15:52:32 <chem|st> lol
May 10 15:53:06 <jean_brat> Darkchaos, i am in soup already.. by flashing emmc,, don know if it works
May 10 15:54:11 <chem|st> Darkchaos: you flash the global image anytime, emmc is the device with home and everything
May 10 15:54:24 <chem|st> but without rootfs
May 10 15:54:35 <chem|st> jean_brat: does it boot?
May 10 15:54:45 <Darkchaos> that means emmc is a "light" version which does not replace my operating system?
May 10 15:54:47 <jean_brat> chem|st, does the screeb go black? 
May 10 15:54:55 <Darkchaos> but only my Data
May 10 15:55:02 <jean_brat> after the progress bar?
May 10 15:55:38 <jean_brat> don know what is it doing..looks like dead again
May 10 15:55:47 <jean_brat> no LED and no sound
May 10 15:55:55 <chem|st> jean_brat: yes
May 10 15:56:07 <chem|st> afair black but lit
May 10 15:56:33 <chem|st> just let it sit for 5-10 minutes
May 10 15:56:51 <jean_brat> chem|st, how many times we can flash this thing?
May 10 15:56:57 <chem|st> Darkchaos: if flashing emmc you are forced to flash rootfs
May 10 15:57:41 <chem|st> jean_brat: alot of times if battery was 100% at first
May 10 15:58:06 <jean_brat> no ROM.. i got 2 batteries here
May 10 15:58:21 <chem|st> no ROM?
May 10 15:58:21 <jean_brat> ROM has limits of flashing or something?
May 10 15:59:32 <jean_brat> ok 1 more time.. and this time i wont use -R i will flash and reboot manually
May 10 15:59:34 <jacekowski> Darkchaos: it's somewhere in settings -> about
May 10 15:59:50 <jacekowski> Darkchaos: there are two types of flash on n900
May 10 15:59:54 <jacekowski> Darkchaos: emmc and nand
May 10 15:59:59 <jacekowski> Darkchaos: you have to flash both
May 10 16:00:07 <chem|st> jean_brat: eMMC
May 10 16:00:34 <chem|st> ah didnt want to hit enter...
May 10 16:00:42 <chem|st> jace said it
May 10 16:01:36 <jean_brat> yes vennila and combined images
May 10 16:03:28 <chem|st> yes
May 10 16:05:40 <jean_brat> back to back by removing the battery after vennila
May 10 16:06:02 <chem|st> jean_brat: why do you remove the.... nevermind the manual said so right?
May 10 16:06:06 <jean_brat> if this does not work i will do it in reverse order
May 10 16:06:16 <jean_brat> yes
May 10 16:07:09 <jean_brat> time for the first boot
May 10 16:07:24 <chem|st> that fast?
May 10 16:07:39 <jean_brat> still not working brother
May 10 16:07:47 <chem|st> wasn't even a minute for rootfs...
May 10 16:08:22 <jean_brat> i don know actually the script executes fine.. 
May 10 16:08:38 <chem|st> pastebin?
May 10 16:08:58 <jean_brat> but the bar keep displaying n900 rom recognied n900 rom removed
May 10 16:09:15 <jean_brat> don know if its actually deploying the image
May 10 16:09:28 <jean_brat> properly
May 10 16:10:00 <chem|st> pastebin!
May 10 16:10:41 <jean_brat> http://pastebin.com/F0r1s9xD
May 10 16:11:25 <Darkchaos> what confuses me, the filebrowser on the n900 displays the backupped int_kb_layout but not the folders in MyDocs
May 10 16:11:37 <Darkchaos> nevermind, it has to be because .sounds -> hidden
May 10 16:12:33 <Darkchaos> Version: 20.2010.36-2 ?
May 10 16:12:42 <jean_brat> chem|st, anything wearied ?
May 10 16:13:01 <jean_brat> i am gonna do this in windows now
May 10 16:13:11 <jean_brat> ironically i have 64 bit
May 10 16:13:20 <jean_brat> of both
May 10 16:14:19 <Darkchaos> RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin       200174197       PR 1.3 version 20.2010.36-2     Latest Maemo 5 Global release for Nokia N900  is this ok?
May 10 16:14:42 <Darkchaos> and than the eMMC content 10.2010.13-2?
May 10 16:15:05 <chem|st> Darkchaos: yes
May 10 16:15:27 <chem|st> jean_brat: ehrm what does it do when pressing the powerbutton
May 10 16:16:43 <jean_brat> it displays NOKIA logo and <.....> for few seconds and screen fades away
May 10 16:18:05 <jean_brat> chem|st, what is the estimated time to root both vennila and combined?
May 10 16:18:26 <jean_brat> because in my case it takes 1 minute or less
May 10 16:18:27 <chem|st> depends... 5 minutes?
May 10 16:18:47 <chem|st> cant remember, upgrading was a long time ago
May 10 16:19:34 <jean_brat> i think my phone is good for nothing now
May 10 16:20:05 <chem|st> jean_brat: if nokia logo then DOTS you are just to wait, it takes some time to populate opt and stuff
May 10 16:20:37 <jean_brat> no there is no sign of any activity no light nothing
May 10 16:21:19 <jean_brat> i should have kept the device connected?
May 10 16:21:32 <jean_brat> untill it reboots?
May 10 16:21:36 <chem|st> no, just leave it for 5-10mins
May 10 16:22:33 <chem|st> there is no indication apart from screen gets lit again and dots apear
May 10 16:23:09 <Darkchaos> ok so what do i have to install first, the global release and then shut off, battery exchange and then flash eMMC ?
May 10 16:23:22 <Darkchaos> or first the eMMC
May 10 16:23:30 <chem|st> ~flashing
May 10 16:23:31 <infobot> it has been said that maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
May 10 16:23:36 <Darkchaos> "NOTE: Always flash the eMMC image first, then the FIASCO image immediately after that." or is fiasco something other then combined
May 10 16:23:50 <Darkchaos> fiasco == expert?
May 10 16:24:03 <chem|st> fiasco is the combined
May 10 16:24:09 <Darkchaos> ok
May 10 16:24:11 <chem|st> rootfs
May 10 16:24:19 <Darkchaos> only for experts. noobs rootfs and then emmc
May 10 16:24:45 <chem|st> ?
May 10 16:24:55 <chem|st> follow the instructions step by step
May 10 16:26:20 <chem|st> gtg l8er
May 10 17:18:10 <spark666> why uboot conflicts whit kernel-power?lol :P
May 10 17:19:59 <ShadowJK> need special versions for uboot
May 10 17:20:28 <freemangordon> what?
May 10 17:21:01 <spark666> ShadowJK: And what version its that?:D
May 10 17:21:38 <ShadowJK> doesn't uboot live in place kernel usually does?
May 10 17:21:43 <freemangordon> u-boot flashes it's owwn kernel image, thus the conflict ;)
May 10 17:22:11 <spark666> and version of kernel will use?a better one?
May 10 17:22:29 <freemangordon> afaik omap1
May 10 17:22:53 <freemangordon> well, maybe it depends where you got u-boot from
May 10 17:23:05 <freemangordon> repos or Pali's sever
May 10 17:23:09 <freemangordon> *server
May 10 17:23:11 <spark666> repos
May 10 17:23:37 <freemangordon> I think it is omap1 (stock one) but not sure, better ask Pali
May 10 17:24:05 <spark666> hummmm
May 10 17:24:25 <freemangordon> there is u-boot on Pali's server which boots KP50 by default
May 10 17:24:54 <spark666> but Pali's server its a repo or?
May 10 17:25:07 <merlin1991> in the repos there is uboot-pr1.3, which flashes uboot with attached image of omap1
May 10 17:26:08 <freemangordon> Pali's u-boot is in repos too, and afaik it extracts currently flashed kernel an makes it default, something like that
May 10 17:26:30 <freemangordon> But again, better ask pali for details
May 10 17:26:36 <merlin1991> hm didn't know palis uboot is in the repo
May 10 17:26:50 <spark666> the only uboot i found  on repos is uboot-pr1.3
May 10 17:27:06 <freemangordon> spark666, that uses omap1 for sure
May 10 17:27:36 <spark666> Pali: are you here ? :P
May 10 17:27:37 <freemangordon> and better look here http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81613 for upstream one
May 10 17:28:04 <spark666> ok i will take a look,ty
May 10 17:28:25 <freemangordon> merlin1991, might be wrong, I am using debs from u-boot thread, NFC fhat is in repos
May 10 17:28:54 <freemangordon> merlin1991, when you will have time for *-thumb repos?
May 10 17:29:06 <merlin1991> whenever you want to
May 10 17:29:15 <freemangordon> aah, go ahead then :)
May 10 17:29:46 <spark666> btw where i can find a list whit all repos?i enabled the one from maemo wiki
May 10 17:30:18 <merlin1991> apart from extras-devel and the cssu repo there aren't any repos I know of that are proper
May 10 17:30:27 <freemangordon> merlin1991, lets have the infrastructure in place, .debs will come shortly after that
May 10 17:30:31 <spark666> i have them
May 10 17:32:31 <merlin1991> freemangordon: don't forget to put your stuff on gitorious aswell ;)
May 10 17:39:01 <freemangordon> merlin1991, ORLY :P
May 10 17:39:18 <freemangordon> of course I will
May 10 17:54:30 <Darkchaos> fuck, I have no space left on my SD MemoryCard^^
May 10 17:54:38 <Darkchaos> what folders are important
May 10 17:54:45 <Darkchaos> i guess /home/developer?
May 10 17:54:56 <Darkchaos> .bookmarks perhaps
May 10 17:55:02 <Darkchaos> .signon?
May 10 17:55:25 <Darkchaos> some apps and settings of them are not needed i guess as well as the cache
May 10 17:57:12 <chem|st> Darkchaos: how about using the backup tool or is zip gone?
May 10 17:57:29 <Darkchaos> BackUp tool works but there is no information about saving contacts etc
May 10 17:57:55 <chem|st> Darkchaos: they are within, and how about using the export function of abook?
May 10 17:58:14 <Darkchaos> What's abook? The default contact book?
May 10 17:58:29 <Darkchaos> half of the gui is even missing already :(
May 10 17:58:47 <Darkchaos> but im dumb, i could have already exported those contacts to Paper
May 10 18:00:13 <Darkchaos> ok the rm does not work but using rm `ls` is wrong as well, as it is not "" ing the files
May 10 18:15:27 <rm_work> rm does too work
May 10 18:15:28 <rm_work> :P
May 10 18:15:30 * rm_work hides
May 10 18:18:54 <Darkchaos> do you recomend using the NSU or the Flasher?
May 10 18:19:00 <Darkchaos> :D it has been working :D
May 10 18:19:11 <Darkchaos> but i was using a damaged ssh session :D
May 10 18:19:18 <Darkchaos> but now i'll use the default filemanager
May 10 18:19:57 <Darkchaos> can you give me some tipp how to reflash? First i have to reflash rootfs right?
May 10 18:20:02 <Darkchaos> and then restart and flash COMBINED?
May 10 18:20:21 <chem|st> NO rebooting in between
May 10 18:20:22 <Darkchaos> so no "-R" when flashing rootfs
May 10 18:20:23 <ShadowJK> As long as you don't boot N900 in between, it's fine
May 10 18:20:29 <Darkchaos> ok
May 10 18:20:31 <chem|st> Darkchaos: follow what infobot says
May 10 18:20:47 <Darkchaos> but there was something about rebooting, was that the only rootfs?
May 10 18:21:13 <Darkchaos> ye i do, but there is not really clear what rootfs and emmc is etc, but after I have saved all data I will read through again
May 10 18:21:33 <ShadowJK> Yeah, the terminology isn't consistent
May 10 18:22:17 <ShadowJK> the rootfs/fiasco files are newer, and there are only like 2 emmc files (use the newer one, obviously)
May 10 18:22:25 <Darkchaos> ok
May 10 18:22:31 <Darkchaos> and first the rootfs of course?
May 10 18:22:42 <Darkchaos> or let's call them the COMBINED ones
May 10 18:23:00 <Darkchaos> err and the emmc version is not really matching my maemo version number, is this usual?
May 10 18:23:19 <ShadowJK> yes
May 10 18:23:34 <ShadowJK> They only made two because it didn't change
May 10 18:24:38 <Darkchaos> Ok i belive in you and the 8MB Backup made by Maemo
May 10 18:24:55 <Darkchaos> err and you recommend flasher instead of NSU?
May 10 18:25:24 <ShadowJK> I haven't tried nsu, but I've heard bad things about it?
May 10 18:25:32 <Darkchaos> ok
May 10 18:25:36 <ShadowJK> But then again, I've also heard bad things about flasher on windows
May 10 18:25:53 <Darkchaos> That's why I'll use Debian in a VM, I hope this will work
May 10 18:27:42 <Darkchaos> And there was a Kernel which supported a WLan Router (being one), Is this the Point were I implement it, or can this be done later on-the-fly?
May 10 18:28:01 <ShadowJK> later
May 10 18:28:11 <Darkchaos> And just to know, what happens if the usb connection stops while flashing? (my usb port is a bit damaged)
May 10 18:28:30 <ShadowJK> You'll have to flash again
May 10 18:28:37 <Darkchaos> ok
May 10 18:28:46 <Darkchaos> haha nice I even damaged the turn-off switch
May 10 18:31:45 <Darkchaos> well shouldn't i first flash the eMMC the remove the battery and then flash the rootfs as it's written here?
May 10 18:41:18 <spark666> i installed locate on my n900 but it doesnt work..any ideas?
May 10 18:43:21 <joga> updatedb? what does "doesn't work" mean anyway?
May 10 18:43:55 <spark666> i know about updatedb
May 10 18:44:09 <spark666> but i get a "not found" error
May 10 18:44:41 <joga> a *what* "not found" error?
May 10 18:44:47 <joga> command not found? file not found?
May 10 18:45:41 <spark666> sh :updatedb :not found
May 10 18:45:48 <spark666> and same whit locate
May 10 18:46:37 <joga> spark666 how did you install it?
May 10 18:46:46 <spark666> from appmanager
May 10 18:47:06 <joga> seems I don't have the same repos enabled then
May 10 18:47:14 <joga> (can't find it)
May 10 18:47:33 <spark666> i have the testing and friends enabled to :P
May 10 18:48:01 <joga> tried dpkg -L <pkg name> ?
May 10 18:48:08 <joga> to list the files that come with it
May 10 18:48:23 <spark666> okey ill try it ty
May 10 18:48:40 <Darkchaos> OT: Did anybody try to port What's App to Maemo? I don't know why, but here in Germany nobody uses his facebook or irc or skype chat, but what's app
May 10 18:49:01 <Darkchaos> I don't get why, if they have facebook, even because what's app is mailing your whole addressbook?!
May 10 18:51:10 <chem|st> Darkchaos: dito
May 10 18:51:26 <chem|st> yes they are after it
May 10 18:52:05 <spark666> man locate works ,to read the man,only the command doesnt work
May 10 18:52:20 <joga> spark666 tried with full path?
May 10 18:53:37 <spark666> joga: how could i miss that?tnx
May 10 18:53:50 <spark666> but why it need the full path?
May 10 18:54:56 <Darkchaos> because it isn't linked in /bin or /usr/bin or /usr/sbin or smth, i'm not that into linux but it searches the command in the current directory and then in those folders
May 10 18:55:25 <spark666> maybe i should symlink it?
May 10 18:56:01 <joga> Darkchaos actually current directory is not usually searched
May 10 18:56:47 <Darkchaos> Why not? It could be that there is a file named locate?
May 10 18:56:57 <Darkchaos> or is this only in case he uses sh or ./ infront?
May 10 18:57:34 <joga> Darkchaos I've never used a linux system that searches the current path...
May 10 18:58:00 <joga> (sure, it's about the shell of course but sounds unusual to me)
May 10 18:58:47 <Darkchaos> well you could want to execute bash scripts in there?
May 10 18:58:56 <joga> nope
May 10 18:59:09 <joga> I want it to search stuff in dirs I put in $PATH and that's it
May 10 18:59:25 <joga> then I add just ~/bin for example to PATH and put my scripts there
May 10 19:00:07 <spark666> btw does this ash has something like bash has the .bashrc?
May 10 19:00:09 <spark666> :P
May 10 19:01:05 <Darkchaos> fuck, I should have written a presentation about led's instead Im about 5 Hours already fixing my fucking mobile phone
May 10 19:01:19 <Darkchaos> waiting for the download to finish, the flashing doesn't take long or?
May 10 19:01:25 <Darkchaos> 10 minutes? (5 minutes per file?)
May 10 19:01:26 <spark666> Darkchaos: language clean pls :P
May 10 19:01:32 <Darkchaos> :D ok
May 10 19:01:36 <joga> I don't think it takes very long
May 10 19:01:42 <DocScrutinizer> (<spark666> i know about updatedb) it's a bug, see ~jrtools
May 10 19:01:43 <joga> can't remember exactly though, but minutes anyway
May 10 19:01:48 <Darkchaos> replace the word with: "well"
May 10 19:02:01 <spark666> DocScrutinizer: ty
May 10 19:02:18 <spark666> ~jrtools
May 10 19:02:19 <infobot> somebody said jrtools was http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools
May 10 19:03:15 <spark666> DocScrutinizer: should i symlink them then?or create an alias?
May 10 19:03:56 <ShadowJK> you can write presentation while waiting for downloads ;p
May 10 19:04:09 <Darkchaos> yes but at the moment I'm to excited :D
May 10 19:04:50 <Darkchaos> and at the moment here where i'm living its at 9pm too hot -.- (It is Germany :D but it's like in asia or something to much water in the air, so you sweat all the time)
May 10 19:09:22 <Darkchaos> what if my phone is not entirely loaded?
May 10 19:10:10 <ShadowJK> charged? flashing wont work
May 10 19:10:30 <Darkchaos> yes that's what i meant, its about 95% loaded
May 10 19:10:46 <Darkchaos> but problem is due to the memory effect I can never entirely charge it
May 10 19:11:06 <Darkchaos> well i'll try now, wish me luck :)
May 10 19:14:44 <DocScrutinizer> spark666: I'm actually not exactly sure what's your particular problem, the problem of updatedb though is that it searches for /usr/bin/find and that's not available, only usr/bin/gfind is
May 10 19:15:20 <spark666> DocScrutinizer: it works only whit full path,same as locate
May 10 19:15:31 <DocScrutinizer> since updatedb is a shellscript, I made a sed cmdline that fixes the issue
May 10 19:16:11 <Darkchaos> ok virtual machines don't work
May 10 19:17:10 <DocScrutinizer> spark666: 
May 10 19:17:13 <DocScrutinizer> ~ # which updatedb
May 10 19:17:15 <DocScrutinizer> ~ # bash
May 10 19:17:16 <DocScrutinizer> IroN900:~# which updatedb
May 10 19:17:18 <DocScrutinizer> /usr/bin/gnu/updatedb
May 10 19:17:19 <DocScrutinizer> IroN900:~# echo $PATH
May 10 19:17:21 <DocScrutinizer> /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin/gnu:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin/gnu:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11
May 10 19:18:33 <spark666> i dont have bash
May 10 19:18:35 <DocScrutinizer> which gupdatedb
May 10 19:20:00 <DocScrutinizer> I.E. it's already symlinked
May 10 19:20:12 <Darkchaos> It says Booting device into flash mode, and then the charged led begins to shine, and then: "suitable USB Device not found, waiting."
May 10 19:20:40 <spark666> Darkchaos: its ok
May 10 19:21:10 <Darkchaos> yes? because the terminal reports that its could find a suitable usb device after the flashmode boot
May 10 19:21:15 <Darkchaos> does this boot take a few minutes?
May 10 19:21:28 <Darkchaos> i can see a dimmed nokia on the screen
May 10 19:24:30 <DocScrutinizer> Darkchaos: boot will take minutes after jumping dots
May 10 19:24:36 <DocScrutinizer> not on NOKIA screen
May 10 19:25:00 <Darkchaos> I cannot see jumping dots, I see Nokia and on the right the disappearing usb symbol
May 10 19:25:07 <Darkchaos> thats all
May 10 19:25:46 <DocScrutinizer> then the phone is in proper flashing mode, battery is sufficiently charged, and you should already have started flasher
May 10 19:26:15 <DocScrutinizer> flasher shall be started before plugging in phone
May 10 19:26:34 <Darkchaos> yeah
May 10 19:26:51 <DocScrutinizer> it will "wait" after "no USB found", then you plug in N900 with 'u' held down, and it shall start flashing
May 10 19:27:20 <Darkchaos> "Suitable USB device not found, waiting. blah found device... Booting device into flash mode. Suitable USB device not found, waiting"
May 10 19:27:31 <Darkchaos> so it looses connection when attempting to boot in flash mode
May 10 19:27:43 <DocScrutinizer> you probably have problems on PC side, witjh 
May 10 19:27:51 <DocScrutinizer> with module cdc_ether etc
May 10 19:28:20 <Darkchaos> maybe because it's running in a vm and after that isn't available to the windows driver?
May 10 19:28:26 <DocScrutinizer> or you have a fsckdup rootfs on N900, and try to flash eMMC
May 10 19:29:09 <Darkchaos> how can I fix this?
May 10 19:29:18 <DocScrutinizer> hard to diagnose unless we know exactly what you're doing
May 10 19:30:12 <Darkchaos> rm -rf /* -> I want to reflash my os, I definately have version 2010-20. something - 36
May 10 19:30:29 <Darkchaos> trying to flash the emmc
May 10 19:31:39 <DocScrutinizer> after rm -rf /* you got a thoroughly fucked rootfs, you'll need to flash COMBINED first, flashing eMMC won't work
May 10 19:32:13 <Darkchaos> ok
May 10 19:32:43 <DocScrutinizer> so you flash COMBINED, eMMC, COMBINED *again*
May 10 19:33:07 <DocScrutinizer> should get you out of any trouble
May 10 19:33:32 <Darkchaos> yeah :)
May 10 19:33:42 <DocScrutinizer> and please read complere page at
May 10 19:33:44 <DocScrutinizer> ~flash
May 10 19:33:45 <infobot> maemo-flashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
May 10 19:34:08 <Darkchaos> When flashing the eMMC content, the safe way is flash the eMMC/VANILLA image first, then remove battery for a moment, and then flash the FIASCO/Rootfs image. Do not boot up the device between the two i.e do NOT use the -R parameter at the end!
May 10 19:34:10 <Darkchaos> That confused me
May 10 19:34:49 <DocScrutinizer> how is that confusing?
May 10 19:35:00 <Darkchaos> well i thought i have to flash eMMC first
May 10 19:35:17 <DocScrutinizer> you have to flash COMBINED *last*
May 10 19:35:31 <DocScrutinizer> :-)
May 10 19:35:34 <chem|st> ?
May 10 19:36:00 <Darkchaos> ok :) thank you now the flashing works
May 10 19:36:27 <Darkchaos> I think this is the best that happend to me because I had 99% on / even if I don't know why :D
May 10 19:36:58 <Darkchaos> and nitdroid never booted, mounted fs gone read only after 100 acceses
May 10 19:37:05 <Darkchaos> unmounted by themselfes
May 10 19:37:06 <DocScrutinizer> Darkchaos: just 5 lines after yur quote there is: >Note however that eMMC flashing will fail when your rootfs is completely messed up, the recommended flash sequence then is rootfs, eMMC, rootfs *again*.<
May 10 19:37:25 <spark666> where can i see the features log of kp50
May 10 19:37:28 <Darkchaos> after 1 day of using the icons on my desktop freezed
May 10 19:37:35 <Darkchaos> *embarassing *
May 10 19:39:08 <Darkchaos> I never thought that It would be that easy :)
May 10 19:39:43 <Darkchaos> should be done. booting now :)
May 10 19:40:43 <DocScrutinizer> first boot will take minutes
May 10 19:40:52 <Darkchaos> k
May 10 19:40:53 <spark666> it will take some time dont panic
May 10 19:40:53 <DocScrutinizer> don't abort it
May 10 19:42:07 <freemangordon> spark666, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=83118&highlight=kernel-power
May 10 19:42:22 <spark666> freemangordon: tnx
May 10 19:42:46 <DocScrutinizer> anyway I declare May 10. the day of maemo reflashing
May 10 19:42:47 <freemangordon> sorry for the highlight :)
May 10 19:42:53 <Darkchaos> If it has booted how can i import the backup lateron? :D
May 10 19:43:11 <user> .
May 10 19:43:12 <Darkchaos> ./accept
May 10 19:43:13 <DocScrutinizer> backup app ->restore
May 10 19:43:20 <Darkchaos> ok
May 10 19:43:39 <vi____> what is the address for cssu irc?
May 10 19:43:45 <vi____> also
May 10 19:43:46 <DocScrutinizer> and obviously again mass storage mode, for anything on MyDocs
May 10 19:43:49 <Darkchaos> hell yeah, my phone just rose like a phenix out of the ashes
May 10 19:44:00 <freemangordon> vi____, #maemo-ssu
May 10 19:44:10 <vi____> FMG|
May 10 19:44:22 <Darkchaos> well i have to copy them out of the sd external card, because i even broke this functionality :D
May 10 19:44:27 <vi____> the man who gives his girl a new phone as a present...
May 10 19:44:37 <vi____> ...then steals the battery!
May 10 19:44:58 <freemangordon> yeah ;)
May 10 19:44:59 <Darkchaos> :D
May 10 19:45:44 <vi____> ok
May 10 19:45:50 <freemangordon> but gives her his old one (the battery i mena) :D
May 10 19:45:53 <freemangordon> *mean
May 10 19:46:05 <vi____> how do i determine if the orientation lock is on?
May 10 19:46:19 <vi____> freemangordon: I did the same to mrs vi__
May 10 19:46:20 <freemangordon> by looking at your status bar
May 10 19:46:27 <vi____> with a 5800
May 10 19:46:51 <DocScrutinizer> vi____: it's visible as an icon in statusbar
May 10 19:47:31 <freemangordon> nah, it does not make sense, 5800 has the same 1360 mAh as n900
May 10 19:47:40 * DocScrutinizer plumbs a few more "_______" to vi____ 's ass
May 10 19:47:47 <freemangordon> :D:D:D
May 10 19:48:28 <vi____> the ___ is my e-peen
May 10 19:48:54 <vi____> I have a script that does some stuff depending on the orientation of the n900
May 10 19:49:32 <Darkchaos> well ok, my backup application says "no backups available"?
May 10 19:49:33 <freemangordon> you can check a gconf value, look at CSSU wiki for which exact one
May 10 19:49:44 <freemangordon> vi____ ^^^
May 10 19:50:07 <DocScrutinizer> you probably stored them to either uSD or MyDocs. In any case you have to restore those contents
May 10 19:50:08 <Darkchaos> they are in the /home/user/ folder
May 10 19:50:46 <vi_> however when the orientation lock is enabled the orientation lies
May 10 19:51:14 <DocScrutinizer> the backup app looks in to particular path/dir locations only, for backups to restore
May 10 19:51:37 <Darkchaos> aww that is bad :/
May 10 19:51:48 <Darkchaos> I have a folder "Backup" but there is a hidden folder "backup"
May 10 19:52:03 <freemangordon> vi_, there are d-bus signals you can use in latest h-d
May 10 19:52:06 <DocScrutinizer> one is /home/user/MyDocs/backups/
May 10 19:52:08 <Darkchaos> oh shell is per default installed :)
May 10 19:52:29 <freemangordon> *signals and methods
May 10 19:53:01 <Darkchaos> well i cannot see this folder, maybe in usb mode?
May 10 19:53:18 <DocScrutinizer> the other is /media/mmc1/backups/#
May 10 19:53:21 <DocScrutinizer> the other is /media/mmc1/backups/
May 10 19:53:28 <Darkchaos> the problem is the captial "b"
May 10 19:53:53 <vi_> brb
May 10 19:53:56 <DocScrutinizer> no capital B
May 10 19:54:11 <vi_> cthulhu calls
May 10 19:54:18 <DocScrutinizer>  /home/user/MyDocs/ is what you see on mass storage mode
May 10 19:54:39 <Darkchaos> yeah but as i copied it to the sd card I copied it as "Backups" but i cannot see a "backups" via integrated filemanager
May 10 19:54:40 <freemangordon> the call of chtulhu?
May 10 19:54:54 <prometoys> hi, is there an easy way to configure the status menu? except deinstalling extensions for it?
May 10 19:54:56 <DocScrutinizer> ~wiki  call of chtulhu
May 10 19:54:59 <infobot> I couldn't find a matching article in wikipedia, look for yerselves: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=call+of+chtulhu&go=Go
May 10 19:55:55 <DocScrutinizer> nfc about HFM
May 10 19:56:13 <DocScrutinizer> might do the MSDOS bullshit of autocapitalizing every dir
May 10 19:56:46 <DocScrutinizer> or your input-method did that for you, when you typed the destination dir name
May 10 19:57:13 <DocScrutinizer> anyway unlike MSDOS unix / linux is case-aware
May 10 19:57:16 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer, it is a song of Metallica
May 10 19:57:43 <freemangordon> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1RTgznup5c
May 10 19:57:54 <DocScrutinizer> I thought it's sth like "montezuma's revenge"
May 10 19:59:23 <DocScrutinizer> wtf gone Darkchaos ?
May 10 20:00:07 <DocScrutinizer> prometoys: there's a terribly clumsy way to edit an XML file
May 10 20:01:28 <DocScrutinizer> it's so friggin annoying and sensible to obscure details it doesn't like about your editing that I actually preferred to forget the name of the file
May 10 20:02:05 <Sazpaimon_> ibrakalifa
May 10 20:02:05 <Sazpaimon_>  - Banned 
May 10 20:02:06 <Sazpaimon_> oh man
May 10 20:02:11 <Sazpaimon_> that looks so good on my eyes
May 10 20:02:24 <DocScrutinizer> though I have to look into it eventually again, to get rif of double profile settings now that I have tweakr and profile-manager installed
May 10 20:02:40 <DocScrutinizer> get rid, even
May 10 20:02:41 <prometoys> docscrutinizer: thx, just found an option in cssu tuner to make fmtx entry always visible, this was what i was looking for
May 10 20:02:53 <DocScrutinizer> :-)
May 10 20:02:55 <prometoys> i prefer to ignore the other items instead to edit the xml file
May 10 20:02:57 <prometoys> :
May 10 20:02:59 <prometoys> :)
May 10 20:03:19 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, that's what I currently do as well
May 10 20:03:33 <DocScrutinizer> as that XML file is a *bitch*
May 10 20:05:55 <DocScrutinizer> Sazpaimon_: UH????
May 10 20:06:11 <Darkchaos> Mass-Storage-Mode is only providing me the sdcard?
May 10 20:06:59 <DocScrutinizer> nope, mass storage mode is exporting /home/user/MyDocs/ and /media/card/ (or whatever the name of uSD)
May 10 20:07:38 <Sazpaimon_> DocScrutinizer, that guy got on my nerves
May 10 20:07:52 <DocScrutinizer> which guy?
May 10 20:07:56 <Sazpaimon_> ibrakalifa
May 10 20:08:09 * DocScrutinizer shrugs
May 10 20:08:12 <DocScrutinizer> never seen
May 10 20:08:52 <DocScrutinizer> Sazpaimon_: are you sure you're in right chan?
May 10 20:09:57 <Sazpaimon_> DocScrutinizer, yeah he's a TMO member
May 10 20:10:07 <DocScrutinizer> meh
May 10 20:10:52 <Sazpaimon_> yeah I dont know why i still go there either
May 10 20:10:55 <DocScrutinizer> I suggest you use the term "banned from tmo" 
May 10 20:11:14 <DocScrutinizer> so I can ignore the useless info ;-)
May 10 20:11:33 <DocScrutinizer> instead of worrying if I missed sth here on IRC
May 10 20:12:02 <Sazpaimon_> there's actually been more activity in #maemo than usual
May 10 20:12:08 <Sazpaimon_> surprisingly
May 10 20:12:43 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, day of first-time-reflashers
May 10 20:13:16 * DocScrutinizer suspects some rogue pkg published via tmo ;-P
May 10 20:13:59 <DocScrutinizer> or some BS statement along the line "nitdroid is *AWESOME*!!1!11!11!"
May 10 20:14:12 <vi___> soooo
May 10 20:14:18 <vi___> I am now on a real keyboard
May 10 20:14:45 <DocScrutinizer> hey, doesn't make much difference
May 10 20:14:56 <DocScrutinizer> the '___' still looks the same ;-)
May 10 20:15:42 <vi___> Is there a way to query the current screen dimensions?
May 10 20:15:55 <vi___> ala xrandr
May 10 20:16:01 <DocScrutinizer> umm, probably yes
May 10 20:16:12 <DocScrutinizer> somewhere in X
May 10 20:16:17 <DocScrutinizer> or Qt
May 10 20:16:39 <Darkchaos> does the backup automatically install all apps again? because it said restoring applications and now i have the programmmanager and it's doing nothing^^
May 10 20:17:08 <DocScrutinizer> AIUI portrait rotation based on aspect ratio which basically is X>Y?prtrait:landscape
May 10 20:18:14 <DocScrutinizer> errr, the app restore offers a menu to (un)select arbitrary apps out of the backup'ed set
May 10 20:18:48 <Darkchaos> ok, If i try to do something it says "Progress Running. Please wait"
May 10 20:18:52 <Darkchaos> now its finished :)
May 10 20:18:52 <DocScrutinizer> you should have a checkbox at left of each app
May 10 20:18:57 <Darkchaos> now it works^^
May 10 20:20:28 <vi___> that is how I would determine orientation, however how do I determine the dimensions...
May 10 20:20:33 <vi___> ...only using bash.
May 10 20:26:38 <DocScrutinizer> ooh, bash
May 10 20:26:44 <DocScrutinizer> no idea, sorry
May 10 20:27:02 <vi___> cat /sys/devices/platform/omapfb/graphics\:fb0/virtual_size
May 10 20:27:05 <DocScrutinizer> you *might* deduce from terminal properties (lines, cols)
May 10 20:27:06 <vi___> ^ nope
May 10 20:27:35 <DocScrutinizer> vi___: kudos
May 10 20:28:57 <DocScrutinizer> does this rotate?
May 10 20:32:02 <vi___> ...no
May 10 20:32:13 <vi___> it is just the raw size of the famebuffer
May 10 20:35:58 <vi___> FWIW
May 10 20:36:06 <vi___> If you put:
May 10 20:36:40 <vi___> gconftool-2 --type string --set /apps/connui-cellular/operator_name_online 
May 10 20:36:40 <vi___> $(ifconfig wlan0 | awk '/inet addr/ {split ($2,A,":"); print A[2]}') | grep -v 
May 10 20:36:41 <vi___> "127.0.0.1"
May 10 20:37:02 <vi___> into a script in /etc/network/if-post-up.d
May 10 20:37:14 <vi___> AND you have custom operator widget installed
May 10 20:37:27 <vi___> Your operator name will be your IP address
May 10 20:37:29 <vi___> :)
May 10 20:43:18 <DocScrutinizer> hey :-D
May 10 20:46:02 <vi___> ok
May 10 20:46:18 <vi___> if ( $(gconftool-2 --recursive-list /apps/osso/hildon-desktop | grep -m1 'orientation_lock' | cut -d ' ' -f 4) = 'tru
May 10 20:46:21 <vi___> e' ); then echo lol; fi
May 10 20:46:29 <vi___> to determine screenlock state
May 10 20:47:20 <vi___> so if (orientation changed AND orientation lock = false); then
May 10 20:47:25 <vi___> do my script;
May 10 20:47:28 <vi___> job done
May 10 20:47:35 <vi___> get your coat
May 10 20:58:37 <vi___> who here knows sed?
May 10 21:00:30 <freemangordon> sed who?
May 10 21:07:37 <DocScrutinizer> vi___: why not gconftool-2 --get /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/orientation_lock
May 10 21:10:14 <vi___> because I have a serious case of the retards
May 10 21:10:14 <merlin1991> holy shit vi___ that is some overuse of the shell right htere :D
May 10 21:10:33 <DocScrutinizer> if [ "x$(gconftool-2 --get /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/orientation_lock)" == xtrue ]
May 10 21:10:33 <vi___> I shall now use it
May 10 21:12:39 <DocScrutinizer> maybe even:  if [ "x$(gconftool-2 --get /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/orientation_lock 2>/dev/null)" == xtrue ]
May 10 21:14:38 <ShadowJK> Li-Ion does not have "memory effect", and the default N900 battery meter just shows whatever it wants, randomly, sometimes :P
May 10 21:14:57 <DocScrutinizer> yes
May 10 21:15:01 <DocScrutinizer> ?
May 10 21:15:25 <DocScrutinizer> EFOCUS?
May 10 21:16:30 <DocScrutinizer> vi___: still need sed?
May 10 21:17:11 <DocScrutinizer> I like to use sed, though I also have to look up details in manpage frequently
May 10 21:18:00 <ShadowJK> No I was reading scrollback :)
May 10 21:18:14 <DocScrutinizer> ShadowJK: yeah, thought as much
May 10 21:18:27 <DocScrutinizer> just wondered how far back you are
May 10 21:18:47 <DocScrutinizer> some 6h? 12?
May 10 21:19:24 <vi___> merlin1991: I am not bashfully subtle
May 10 21:20:00 <vi___> DocScrutinizer: I like awk sed and grep too, but any time I get any good I just forget it all after a week of not using it
May 10 21:20:18 <DocScrutinizer> same here ;-D
May 10 21:20:35 <DocScrutinizer> particularly awk
May 10 21:29:52 <vi___> mother of god
May 10 21:30:00 <vi___> will SOMONE
May 10 21:30:17 <vi___> tell ash shell that ( is more or less [.
May 10 21:31:44 <Darkchaos> Somehow the backup did not import my chat history?
May 10 21:33:33 <whatever4ever> how do you read conversations without the conversations app?
May 10 21:33:35 <whatever4ever> Mine is all corrupt
May 10 21:33:58 <vi___> you can dump the database
May 10 21:35:14 <whatever4ever> can you dump it, fix it, and then load it back?
May 10 21:35:42 <vi___> ?
May 10 21:36:00 <vi___> perhaps
May 10 21:36:07 <vi___> depends how it is mangled
May 10 21:36:19 <vi___> and how well you understand the database format
May 10 21:36:56 <whatever4ever> not sure on both counts
May 10 21:37:01 <whatever4ever> what should I use to read the DB?
May 10 21:37:11 <vi___> sqlite
May 10 21:37:45 <vi___> smsread () {
May 10 21:37:45 <vi___> sqlite3 -csv $( ls $HOME/.rtcom-eventlogger/el*db -1t | head -n1 ) "select * from Events,Remotes where service_id==3 and Events.remote_uid == Remotes.remote_uid ORDER BY start_time DESC;" | head -n1 | awk '-F,' '{printf("%s %s %s %s\n",strftime("%H:%M",$4),"from",$20,$16)}' | espeak -v f1 -s 160 -p 70
May 10 21:37:50 <vi___> }
May 10 21:37:55 <vi___> was my attempt at an sms reader
May 10 21:37:55 <whatever4ever> wow
May 10 21:38:02 <vi___> should give you a clue
May 10 21:38:10 <whatever4ever> This thing is TRASHED
May 10 21:38:29 <vi___> whatever4ever: you opened the conversations db?
May 10 21:38:36 <whatever4ever> different people's names show up under other's conversations, some names turn into <Self_Handle> (which I'm guessing is in the code somewhere)
May 10 21:38:45 <whatever4ever> no, I got the conv app to open again
May 10 21:38:55 <vi___> mmm
May 10 21:39:05 <vi___> nuke the DB from orbit.
May 10 21:39:11 <vi___> it is the only way to be sure
May 10 21:39:16 <whatever4ever> I'm buying a new n900 today, gotta try to transfer over the stuff nicely today. I wonder if I transfer the msg backup, if the fucked up handling will transfer as well
May 10 21:39:24 <whatever4ever> I want to save my beloved convos
May 10 21:39:26 <whatever4ever> I've so many
May 10 21:39:38 <whatever4ever> hundreds of convos with hundreds of msgs each
May 10 21:39:42 <whatever4ever> for yeras
May 10 21:39:51 <whatever4ever> makes everything slow as fuck, but what other option do I have?
May 10 21:40:47 <vi___> whatever4ever: start again
May 10 21:41:13 <whatever4ever> why?
May 10 21:41:21 <whatever4ever> So the tech. solution is "Fuck your data"?
May 10 21:41:30 <whatever4ever> Can you see why that might not be so satisfying? :P
May 10 21:42:13 <vi___> whatever4ever: yes
May 10 21:42:28 <vi___> My father always said 'everything can be fixed'
May 10 21:42:38 <vi___> it is just a matter of cost and time
May 10 21:42:56 <merlin1991> vi___: it's just a matter of cost
May 10 21:42:57 <vi___> You probably could rebuild the whole database by hand
May 10 21:43:02 <merlin1991> since time equals cost aswell ;)
May 10 21:43:08 <vi___> but is it wr
May 10 21:43:16 <vi___> worth the time?
May 10 21:43:25 <vi___> lol 
May 10 21:43:34 <vi___> as time=money
May 10 21:43:48 <vi___> cost of fixing=money^2
May 10 21:44:15 <whatever4ever> I don't mind losing some stuff
May 10 21:44:19 <whatever4ever> but most of the DB should be fine
May 10 21:44:25 <whatever4ever> Can I easily recognize which is corrupt entrees
May 10 21:44:27 <whatever4ever> and just delete those
May 10 21:44:28 <vi___> therefore money == the root of fixing
May 10 21:44:48 <vi___> money=sqrt(fixing)
May 10 21:46:00 <whatever4ever> lol
May 10 21:46:05 <whatever4ever> okay, what do you think of my above idea
May 10 21:46:14 <whatever4ever> easy way to recognize what's fucked and just remove it everywhere?
May 10 21:47:30 <vi___> well if you do not want to do it by hand then the fubar needs to be consistent
May 10 21:47:54 <vi___> with n900 you are free to do whatever you want, no matter how futile
May 10 21:48:10 <whatever4ever> So I open the database by hand with your tool. Look through it and delete everything I think is messing it up, and then rewrite it as a DB?
May 10 21:48:31 <vi___> for example I spent literally days of my time trying to devise a one liner that would return my IP address whether on gprs OR wifi
May 10 21:48:38 <vi___> no no
May 10 21:48:58 <whatever4ever> Isn't that easy?
May 10 21:48:59 <vi___> my script was a botch attempt to write an sms reader
May 10 21:49:05 <whatever4ever> ifconfig, and many system tools?
May 10 21:49:11 <whatever4ever> shows your IP
May 10 21:49:16 <vi___> whatever4ever: in a one liner
May 10 21:49:25 <vi___> whatever4ever: that ONLY returns your IP
May 10 21:49:32 <vi___> whatever4ever: no loopback address
May 10 21:49:33 <whatever4ever> :)
May 10 21:49:44 <vi___> whatever4ever: comliant with ash shell
May 10 21:49:55 <vi___> whatever4ever: compliant with ash shell
May 10 21:50:17 <vi___> whatever4ever: that doesnt barf errors
May 10 21:50:35 <vi___> I do not know how you can fix the DB
May 10 21:50:37 <whatever4ever> there is some website that only outputs your ip that you could wget and echo...
May 10 21:51:09 <vi___> whatever4ever: without connecting to some external website, what if i am on a LAN only?
May 10 21:51:32 <whatever4ever> here is my plan. 1) backup my current one. 2) delete all conversations with issues in them 3) back up that version 4) transfer that version to the new phone 5) have an errorless DB
May 10 21:51:42 <vi___> perhaps you can use a desktop tool to examine the DB and move things back into their appropriate fields
May 10 21:51:53 <whatever4ever> vi___: why would you need to know your IP if you're not connected to the web?
May 10 21:51:58 <whatever4ever> You mean your internal IP?
May 10 21:52:13 <vi___> so I can xforward, shh, webserve etc
May 10 21:52:22 <vi___> yes internal IP
May 10 21:52:29 <whatever4ever> so what about ifconfig?
May 10 21:52:40 <vi___> what about it?
May 10 21:52:54 <vi___> you need to know which ip address you are asking for
May 10 21:53:04 <vi___> ^interface
May 10 21:54:54 <whatever4ever> ifconfig | grep ipv4 or something
May 10 21:55:33 <vi___> ifconfig $(route 2&>/dev/null | awk '{ field = $NF }; END{ print field }') >/dev/null && ifconfig $(route | awk '{ field = $NF }; END{ print field }') | egrep -o 'dr:[^ ]+'|sed 's/dr://g' || echo "127.0.0.1"
May 10 21:55:48 <vi___> I got as far as that and thought F' it
May 10 21:55:55 <vi___> I will just use a 2 liner
May 10 21:56:11 <whatever4ever> jesus
May 10 21:56:13 <whatever4ever> I don't know a lot of that
May 10 21:56:19 <whatever4ever> I guess because I don't konw awk
May 10 21:56:20 <whatever4ever> but I want to
May 10 21:56:43 <vi___> whatever4ever: no one REALLY knows awk
May 10 21:56:56 <vi___> whatever4ever: just little bits for a short while
May 10 21:57:02 <whatever4ever> haha, really?
May 10 21:57:34 <vi___> whatever4ever: what is your TMO username?
May 10 21:57:35 <whatever4ever> bash is so sexy
May 10 21:57:46 <whatever4ever> I learned "shift" today
May 10 21:57:50 <whatever4ever> what's that:?
May 10 21:57:55 <whatever4ever> tmobile username?
May 10 21:58:04 <whatever4ever> I am on tmobile
May 10 21:58:12 <vi___> wut?
May 10 21:58:12 <whatever4ever> but I'm not chatting via my phone right now
May 10 21:58:13 <Proteous_> talk.maemo.org
May 10 21:58:14 <vi___> no
May 10 21:58:17 <Proteous_> tmo
May 10 21:58:26 <vi___> your tmo username
May 10 21:58:34 <whatever4ever> what's that?
May 10 21:58:42 <Proteous_> tmo = talk.maemo.org
May 10 21:58:46 <whatever4ever> oh
May 10 21:58:49 <Proteous_> ...
May 10 21:58:55 <whatever4ever> modularize
May 10 21:58:57 <whatever4ever> I think
May 10 21:59:43 <whatever4ever> "modular"
May 10 21:59:45 <whatever4ever> is it
May 10 22:00:56 <whatever4ever> I'm so excited to flash the new n900 I'm buying today with the newest stuff and have a clean phone
May 10 22:01:02 <whatever4ever> I wonder if I should make it dual boot
May 10 22:01:08 <whatever4ever> Proteous_: what would you do?
May 10 22:01:29 <whatever4ever> there's a bootloader I think, I could put meego on there too
May 10 22:02:02 <vi___> whatever4ever: dont bother
May 10 22:02:10 <vi___> you will disappoint hard
May 10 22:02:36 <freemangordon> yeah, better install ubuntu (with lxde desktop)
May 10 22:02:40 <whatever4ever> MAybe it will be useful for one thing?
May 10 22:03:01 <whatever4ever> freemangordon: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/n900 ?
May 10 22:03:04 <vi___> useful for dragging your n900 down to the level of winphone 7?
May 10 22:03:10 <whatever4ever> Instead of maemo?
May 10 22:03:24 <whatever4ever> vi___: it doesn't have a single feature that works better? WOW!
May 10 22:03:39 <vi___> it barely has feature that work
May 10 22:03:52 <freemangordon> no, dual-boot. And wiki entry is outdated, better use the appropriate thread on TMO
May 10 22:03:53 <vi___> they consider 'takes photo without crash' a feature
May 10 22:04:11 <freemangordon> vi___, isn't it? :P
May 10 22:04:43 <whatever4ever> freemangordon: but which OS will I make phone calls on??? :P
May 10 22:04:53 <freemangordon> maemo
May 10 22:05:09 <freemangordon> or you can try to play with ophone, NFC if it works
May 10 22:05:15 <freemangordon> *ophono
May 10 22:05:28 <whatever4ever> n900 has NFC?
May 10 22:06:12 <whatever4ever> freemangordon: what's ophone?
May 10 22:06:36 <vi___> bwahaaha
May 10 22:06:38 <freemangordon> (no fcking clue). Otherwise I am waitong my boss ot get a gemflex for me :D
May 10 22:06:39 <whatever4ever> I'm going to have to make a list for all this cool stuff you're telling me
May 10 22:06:46 <vi___> you are like the 100th person to say that
May 10 22:06:57 <vi___> NFC==no fucking clue
May 10 22:07:04 <whatever4ever> LOL
May 10 22:07:05 <whatever4ever> wtf
May 10 22:07:33 <whatever4ever> never heard of gemflex either, you guys are privy
May 10 22:08:02 <vi___> FMG WTF is an gemflex?
May 10 22:08:42 <whatever4ever> freemangordon must be asianee
May 10 22:08:50 <freemangordon> NFC adaptor for non-NFC capable phones, not sure if is not a prototype still
May 10 22:09:02 <whatever4ever> dude, where me get one
May 10 22:09:05 <vi___> how does it connect?
May 10 22:09:10 <vi___> to the phone?
May 10 22:09:15 <whatever4ever> like TRANSFORMERS!
May 10 22:09:31 <freemangordon> you put a flex cable between SIM and SIM contacts
May 10 22:09:40 <vi___> oh, wow
May 10 22:09:48 <vi___> tthat is special
May 10 22:09:51 <freemangordon> yeah
May 10 22:09:57 <whatever4ever> really? And the sim card still works?
May 10 22:10:08 <whatever4ever> can the phone be closed too?
May 10 22:10:13 <freemangordon> don't know, still dont have one :D
May 10 22:10:17 <whatever4ever> Go get one
May 10 22:10:36 <whatever4ever> okay, we're gonna make a list for me to prepare my new n900 later today:
May 10 22:10:42 <vi___> I always thought a digital compass on the debug pins on in the battery compartment would be cool
May 10 22:10:51 <whatever4ever> 1) flash newest maemo 2) install ubuntu ... 
May 10 22:11:01 <vi___> whatever4ever: 1.reflash EVERYTHING
May 10 22:11:08 <vi___> 2. REPARTITION
May 10 22:11:19 <vi___> 3. install backup menu
May 10 22:11:29 <vi___> 4. start removing junk
May 10 22:11:36 <whatever4ever> 4: please specify
May 10 22:11:39 <vi___> 5. make your 'master backup'
May 10 22:11:54 <vi___> 6. proceed to install cool shit
May 10 22:11:58 <whatever4ever> what do you parition with?
May 10 22:12:17 <r00t|home> vi___: do/did you know the pinout for the uart on the debug-port? because i traced/tested it a few days ago...
May 10 22:12:17 <whatever4ever> I'm honestly going to follow these steps tonight!
May 10 22:12:20 <vi___> 4==apt-get remove cherry, ovi crap, various other pieces of shite
May 10 22:12:21 <freemangordon> vi___ http://www.nfcworld.com/2010/11/29/35271/dbs-starhub-and-ez-link-to-begin-singapore-nfc-pilot-in-december/
May 10 22:12:27 <vi___> r00t|home: no
May 10 22:12:46 <r00t|home> vi___: well, it's on the wiki now :D
May 10 22:12:50 <vi___> r00t|home: I have studied the schematics, however they are poorly laid out
May 10 22:13:05 <vi___> r00t|home: wtf
May 10 22:13:10 <vi___> r00t|home: link plox
May 10 22:13:17 <r00t|home> vi___: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Hacking#Debug_ports
May 10 22:13:21 <vi___> if [ $(gconftool-2 --get /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/orientation_lock) = "false" ]; then  if [ $(cat /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/slide/state) == "closed" ]; then
May 10 22:13:29 <vi___> oops, wrong window
May 10 22:13:33 <vi___> <shame>
May 10 22:13:41 <r00t|home> vi___: only caveat is 2.8V logic levels
May 10 22:14:12 <whatever4ever> vi___: what do I use for partitioning?
May 10 22:14:29 <whatever4ever> or will the install process for ubuntu cover that?
May 10 22:15:34 <vi___> and even 3.3V seem to destroy it.
May 10 22:15:45 <r00t|home> "and even 3.3V seem to destroy it"
May 10 22:15:50 <vi___> did you find that out the hard way?
May 10 22:16:03 <vi___> whatever4ever: gparted etc.
May 10 22:16:05 <r00t|home> that is from DocScrutinizer
May 10 22:16:42 <whatever4ever> vi___: okay, so why am I doing this?
May 10 22:16:52 <r00t|home> i just verified TxD, and then found RxD by making a loopback from TxD, which is relatively safe (as long as you don't short to vbus)
May 10 22:17:21 <r00t|home> vi___: i guess the best would be to find a 2.8V voltage source in the device and connect your peripherial to that
May 10 22:17:40 <vi___> r00t|home: good job mate!
May 10 22:18:12 <r00t|home> it's rather simple, i've done with with many devices before... i just really wonder why nobody published that info earlier
May 10 22:18:43 <vi___> because there is only about 3 people left on the face of the earth who:
May 10 22:18:50 <r00t|home> i mean, there should be people closer to nokia that should have the full pinouts...
May 10 22:19:11 <vi___> 1. still care
May 10 22:19:12 <vi___> 2. can use it
May 10 22:19:12 <vi___> r00t|home: yes
May 10 22:19:28 <DocScrutinizer> vi___: using "[ $(..." is usually a poor idea, as the cmd might return ""
May 10 22:19:47 <vi___> r00t|home: I was rather hoping some disgruntled nokian would dump some source code
May 10 22:20:54 <r00t|home> DocScrutinizer: been meaning to ask... does the n900 really not have a battery buffered rtc? because it looses the clock when swapping batteries...
May 10 22:21:10 <DocScrutinizer> it has
May 10 22:21:20 <r00t|home> so my battery must be dead?
May 10 22:21:26 <r00t|home> *buffer battery
May 10 22:21:45 <DocScrutinizer> it also has a shitty piece of crap backup LiIon-MG cell that breaks after 12 months
May 10 22:21:47 <vi___> DocScrutinizer: yes, like the SED knowledge I forgot to use [] brackets as I have not done any scripting for some weeks.
May 10 22:21:47 <vi___> r00t|home: mine does not
May 10 22:21:48 <vi___> r00t|home: your internal battery is stuffed
May 10 22:21:48 <vi___> r00t|home: on saying that my first n900 was like that for a while, then it started remembering
May 10 22:22:10 <freemangordon> r00t|home, it is not only yours, AFAIK all n900 has dead clock backup battery ny now
May 10 22:22:11 <r00t|home> well, it's a used one
May 10 22:22:14 <freemangordon> *by
May 10 22:22:20 <r00t|home> have swaps been done?
May 10 22:22:21 <whatever4ever> DocScrutinizer: I'm getting a new n900, what do you think of these steps that vi___ came up with: 1.reflash EVERYTHING 2. REPARTITION 3. install backup menu 4. start removing junk 4: please specify 5. make your 'master backup'  6. proceed to install cool shit
May 10 22:22:27 <vi___> not mine :)
May 10 22:22:28 <nox-> just run gpsrecorder (i think that was the one), it sets the clock from gps
May 10 22:22:31 <joga> heh so that's why it does that...I kinda wondered about that a while ago
May 10 22:22:33 <freemangordon> lucky you
May 10 22:22:46 <freemangordon> or it is from your GF's 5800 :P
May 10 22:22:57 <r00t|home> nox-: i do that, but it's annoying... i bought some spare batteries and swap them regulary... and gps only works outside
May 10 22:23:09 <nox-> *nod*
May 10 22:23:21 <vi___> heh, she got it back when I bought some SCUDS
May 10 22:23:32 <r00t|home> so, has replacing the buffer battery been considered/done?
May 10 22:24:00 <DocScrutinizer> r00t|home: yes, some users swapped the shitty Sanyo(?) battery for a capacitive type, or even a simple goldcap
May 10 22:24:02 <vi___> r00t|home: you do know about the battery 'hot swap' kludge right?
May 10 22:24:07 <hurrian> someone here replaced it with a capacitor.
May 10 22:24:21 <DocScrutinizer> Seiko?
May 10 22:24:29 <r00t|home> DocScrutinizer: yeah, i'd go the capactor route...
May 10 22:24:57 <freemangordon> yeah, sounds sane
May 10 22:24:58 <r00t|home> vi___: i don't have a power source, that's why i swap the batteries in the first place...
May 10 22:24:58 <vi___> r00t|home: plug phonw into power source, stop bme, quickly swap battery, start bme.
May 10 22:25:01 <vi___> job done
May 10 22:25:06 <whatever4ever> DocScrutinizer did you ever finish the battery swapping without shutting off the device?
May 10 22:25:07 <vi___> aaaah
May 10 22:25:21 <DocScrutinizer> whatever4ever: huh? sure, pal
May 10 22:25:35 <vi___> r00t|home: well you are pretty much fooked then
May 10 22:25:42 <r00t|home> can you link to any docs on the battery replacement?
May 10 22:25:51 <vi___> however changing for a CAP woud be sweet
May 10 22:25:54 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG been doing it like 3 times a day, for yeras :-D
May 10 22:26:17 <whatever4ever> DocScrutinizer got a link for that? I switch out my battery at least 2x per day. I'd love to not restart my phone each time
May 10 22:26:37 <DocScrutinizer> mompls
May 10 22:26:45 <whatever4ever> ?
May 10 22:26:53 <vi___> whatever4ever: plug phone into power source, stop bme, quickly swap battery, start bme.
May 10 22:27:24 <whatever4ever> oh, I thought there was some method where you could do it without another power source. Okay
May 10 22:27:24 <DocScrutinizer> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=57734&page=2
May 10 22:27:35 <whatever4ever> I mean, using the internal battery to suspect to ram or something
May 10 22:27:42 <whatever4ever> suspend*
May 10 22:27:46 <vi___> whatever4ever: no chance
May 10 22:27:47 <DocScrutinizer> nope
May 10 22:28:07 <vi___> whatever4ever: internal battery is just about enough for RTC chip
May 10 22:28:14 <whatever4ever> ah okay
May 10 22:28:25 <vi___> until it breaks
May 10 22:28:32 <DocScrutinizer> ;-P
May 10 22:28:35 <DocScrutinizer> yeah
May 10 22:28:44 <whatever4ever> So when I reload this new n900 use CSSU for sure, right?
May 10 22:29:03 <DocScrutinizer> rephrase please
May 10 22:29:21 <whatever4ever> I'm getting a new n900 later today. I'm writing a course of action for setting it up the best I can
May 10 22:29:32 <whatever4ever> reflashing, partitioning for ubuntu and other cool things I haven't tried, etc
May 10 22:29:41 <whatever4ever> planning which software to load.
May 10 22:30:17 <DocScrutinizer> I don't see use of ubuntu  repartitioning, but well...
May 10 22:30:18 <teotwaki_> You're seriously in #maemo asking for help to put Ubuntu on an N900?
May 10 22:30:28 <whatever4ever> I'm totally not
May 10 22:30:46 <whatever4ever> I'm in #maemo asking people for setup ideas for the n900
May 10 22:30:58 <whatever4ever> #maemo is my best source for n900 stuff
May 10 22:31:02 <vi___> repartition to increase /opt to 4GB or there abouts
May 10 22:31:06 <hurrian> you don't have a spare microsd on hand?
May 10 22:31:09 <DocScrutinizer> I'd opt for running $UBUNTU_OR_WHATEVER in a chroot any day
May 10 22:31:13 <whatever4ever> hurrian: I do
May 10 22:31:31 <vi___> also a 2.5GB for chroots
May 10 22:31:43 <hurrian> uhh, just make one partition (mmcblk0p4) for doing whatever with, make it ~4GB
May 10 22:31:45 <whatever4ever> DocScrutinizer so you see no reason to run anything except for maemo CSSU?
May 10 22:31:55 <DocScrutinizer> indeed
May 10 22:32:10 <vi___> whatever4ever: the only ubunu you need is called easy debian
May 10 22:32:22 <whatever4ever> was just following freemangordon's advice
May 10 22:32:33 <vi___> it has ALL the features of ubuntu AND all the features of maemo
May 10 22:32:37 <whatever4ever> I assumed there were some badass things you could do with ubuntu on n900 that you couldn't with other stuff.
May 10 22:32:40 <DocScrutinizer> no other OS will yield any semi-decent phone functionality, nor proper standby times
May 10 22:32:54 <whatever4ever> What about speed?
May 10 22:32:59 <teotwaki_> ha
May 10 22:33:33 <DocScrutinizer> (badass things) HAHAHA
May 10 22:33:36 <DocScrutinizer> sorry
May 10 22:33:37 <whatever4ever> ^ :)
May 10 22:33:40 <teotwaki_> you really believe apps written for x86, then automagically ported (meaning, fixed until it compiled) to ARM is going to be any kind of good?
May 10 22:33:40 <vi___> whatever4ever: chroot is probably marginally slower than native install when run from its own partitiom
May 10 22:34:12 <whatever4ever> I didn't know how much/any of ubuntu was rewritten for ARM
May 10 22:34:15 <vi___> teotwaki_: at least you have access to these applications
May 10 22:34:24 <DocScrutinizer> vi___: chroot is not a cpu cycle slower than native
May 10 22:34:34 <vi___> no?
May 10 22:34:39 <hurrian> whatever4ever, Unity is ridiculously slow on the N900
May 10 22:34:41 <DocScrutinizer> why should it?
May 10 22:34:53 <teotwaki_> sure, but it's not as if they're going to be faster than purpose-written ARM apps.
May 10 22:35:02 <vi___> DocScrutinizer: filesystem within a filesystem?
May 10 22:35:04 <DocScrutinizer> for sure not
May 10 22:35:15 <DocScrutinizer> vi___: that's not what a chroot does
May 10 22:35:17 <jacekowski> vi___: it's not a filesystem within filesystem
May 10 22:35:22 <hurrian> iirc chroots are as fast as native, which is the point. you do lose some RAM for the host system, but we're always low on ram anyway
May 10 22:35:26 <jacekowski> vi___: it's just a dumb path rewrite
May 10 22:35:30 <vi___> teotwaki_: no, however if I want to use rawstudio or audacity what are my choices?
May 10 22:35:30 <teotwaki_> vi___: even if that were the case, which it isn't, filesystem only impacts IO times.
May 10 22:35:38 <hurrian> you're still executing binaries without emulation
May 10 22:35:40 <teotwaki_> vi___: you're off topic.
May 10 22:35:57 <vi___> I am on 2 topics, one with you. one with doc
May 10 22:36:03 <jacekowski> vi___: where apps in chroot when they say they want to go to / kernel knows it's /chroot/ 
May 10 22:36:17 <jacekowski> vi___: and that's all it is
May 10 22:36:19 <vi___> I shall concede the point to doc because I do not know for fact
May 10 22:36:20 <DocScrutinizer> exactly
May 10 22:36:31 <jacekowski> vi___: rewriting paths for all filesystem accesses
May 10 22:37:06 <jacekowski> vi___: that's why it's so easy to escape from chroot
May 10 22:37:12 <whatever4ever> So any of you try the NFC dongle solutions?
May 10 22:37:25 <vi___> a no fucking clue dongle?
May 10 22:37:30 <whatever4ever> hahah, no
May 10 22:37:30 <vi___> gtg
May 10 22:37:31 <vi___> bb
May 10 22:37:34 <whatever4ever> k adios
May 10 22:38:03 <whatever4ever> OTR for pidgin has been fucked for n900 for a long time now. How hard would it be for me to fix it?
May 10 22:38:05 * DocScrutinizer needs to pull his NFC dongle
May 10 22:38:30 <merlin1991> double meanings ftw
May 10 22:38:42 <DocScrutinizer> moo merlin1991 
May 10 22:38:43 <whatever4ever> "pull it"?
May 10 22:38:58 <DocScrutinizer> pull the plug
May 10 22:39:22 <whatever4ever> it doesn't work?
May 10 22:39:44 <whatever4ever> my n900 gets so messy
May 10 22:39:45 <teotwaki_> DocScrutinizer: ever thought about building a makerbot? Or other kind of 3d printer?
May 10 22:40:04 <whatever4ever> How do you backup the root file system? like /home/.*
May 10 22:40:12 <whatever4ever> just rsync over wifi?
May 10 22:40:27 <merlin1991> rsync over usb
May 10 22:40:28 <teotwaki_> that's not root
May 10 22:40:30 <DocScrutinizer> thought: yes. Done: nope. Planning: maybe
May 10 22:40:53 <DocScrutinizer> whatever4ever: backupmenu
May 10 22:40:58 <teotwaki_> DocScrutinizer: I looked at the price of the last makerbots... $1.7k is quite a bit of money
May 10 22:40:58 <DocScrutinizer> aka BM
May 10 22:40:58 <whatever4ever> teotwaki aren't we basically running as root
May 10 22:41:19 <teotwaki_> nope, why?
May 10 22:41:29 <whatever4ever> wholy shit, BM is sick
May 10 22:41:56 <DocScrutinizer> .oO(???)
May 10 22:42:48 <DocScrutinizer> backup of /home/ however is done once per day via rsync here, by a cronjob
May 10 22:42:51 <DocScrutinizer> ~jrtools
May 10 22:42:52 <infobot> well, jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools
May 10 22:43:07 <whatever4ever> over wifi?
May 10 22:43:10 <DocScrutinizer> sure
May 10 22:43:20 <whatever4ever> i.e. never 3g, I'm guessing,
May 10 22:43:25 <DocScrutinizer> goes unnoticed
May 10 22:43:51 <whatever4ever> DocScrutinizer what kind of physical security do you use? For example, if the n900 gets stolen or "borrowed"?
May 10 22:44:07 <DocScrutinizer> cluebat
May 10 22:44:09 <whatever4ever> the iphone seems lightyears ahead for this
May 10 22:44:24 <whatever4ever> lol
May 10 22:44:43 <DocScrutinizer> "from my cold dead hands!"
May 10 22:45:21 <whatever4ever> really?
May 10 22:45:25 <whatever4ever> :(
May 10 22:45:44 <DocScrutinizer> ??
May 10 22:45:54 <whatever4ever> I'd like all my shit to be automatically backed up on my server so I could throw my n900 into a lake and feel good about it
May 10 22:45:54 <DocScrutinizer> you planned to borrow my N900? ;-P
May 10 22:46:03 <whatever4ever> you can do that with most modern smartphones
May 10 22:46:07 <whatever4ever> "cloud" "cloud" etc
May 10 22:46:27 <teotwaki_> whatever4ever: the n900 is 3 years old.
May 10 22:46:43 <DocScrutinizer> as mentioned above, the scriptie on ~jrtools does a backup each day
May 10 22:47:31 <whatever4ever> my n900 tonight will be 0 years old :)
May 10 22:47:36 <DocScrutinizer> unless I'm away from my home WLAN, in which case I don't want indiscriminate backups over GPRS done
May 10 22:47:47 <whatever4ever> and I'll sell the old one or turn it into some sort of crazy sleeper
May 10 22:48:39 <teotwaki_> actually, your new n900 will be 3 years old as well
May 10 22:48:55 <teotwaki_> I don't think there were many production runs during 2010.
May 10 22:49:00 <whatever4ever> yours is 4B years old. WHEN WERE ITS MOLECULES MADE?
May 10 22:49:31 <whatever4ever> ~14B years old according to BB experts like DocScrutinizer
May 10 22:50:50 <teotwaki_> you bore me.
May 10 22:51:01 <whatever4ever> speak for yourself
May 10 22:51:13 <DocScrutinizer> SHHH!
May 10 22:51:17 <teotwaki_> that's what I'm doing.
May 10 22:51:53 <whatever4ever> :)
May 10 22:53:02 <teotwaki_> DocScrutinizer: I'm tempted by a 3d printer, but frankly, I wouldn't know where to store it.
May 10 22:53:31 <teotwaki_> DocScrutinizer: my office is cluttered as it is, with all the laptops, desktops and books.
May 10 22:53:46 <DocScrutinizer> the class of 3D printers I'd be interested in is not only *huge* but also *expensive*
May 10 22:53:57 <DocScrutinizer> not a silly 1.7k bucks
May 10 22:54:13 <whatever4ever> how much? And what will you print with one?
May 10 22:54:16 <teotwaki_> so I take it you finally found a job?
May 10 22:54:19 <teotwaki_> :P
May 10 22:55:39 <teotwaki_> whatever4ever: anything, that's the point. 3D printers are to the physical world what programming languages are to computers. They're tools enabling creativity.
May 10 22:55:54 <whatever4ever> they can't do anything yet
May 10 22:56:00 <teotwaki_> eh?
May 10 22:56:09 <DocScrutinizer> what to print with a 3D printer? e.g the white thing in http://youtu.be/WM94%5fR5eKcc
May 10 22:56:13 <whatever4ever> the question was meant to provoke a response about what he thinks the most interesting they can actually print
May 10 22:56:28 <teotwaki_> and that question is nonsensical.
May 10 22:56:53 <teotwaki_> Do you really believe the first people who thought about buying a computer to develop software could envisage the possibilities?
May 10 22:57:12 <whatever4ever> I'm curious what he wasnt to use it for, from the get-go
May 10 22:57:19 <whatever4ever> I realize the ridiculous posibilities
May 10 22:57:28 <whatever4ever> "Dude, did you download the new audi on the pirate bay today?"
May 10 22:57:39 <teotwaki_> Fuck the pirate bay.
May 10 22:57:50 <whatever4ever> "Yeah, this R8 has spyware in it, though"
May 10 22:58:04 <teotwaki_> "I committed a new wing design on github, lemme know how it flies."
May 10 22:58:13 <whatever4ever> lol
May 10 22:58:23 <whatever4ever> "my date is here and the R8 is still printing"
May 10 22:58:50 <teotwaki_> 3d printers and date?
May 10 22:58:51 <teotwaki_> right.
May 10 22:58:51 <whatever4ever> "pause it and print a knife to stab her tires and delay her"
May 10 22:59:07 <whatever4ever> :)
May 10 22:59:13 <teotwaki_> anyway, talking of social life, girlfriend is nagging for sleep -- i'm out.
May 10 22:59:19 <whatever4ever> A few geeks in this world are huge players
May 10 22:59:24 <whatever4ever> I'm more player than geek these days
May 10 22:59:29 <whatever4ever> and it probably shows, to other geeks
May 10 22:59:29 <teotwaki_> sure you are.
May 10 22:59:35 <whatever4ever> :)
May 10 22:59:51 <whatever4ever> DocScrutinizer hows astrophysics?
May 10 23:00:10 <whatever4ever> What part were you in? experimental, computer simulation...?
May 10 23:00:13 <DocScrutinizer> black mater still a mystery
May 10 23:02:29 <DocScrutinizer> afk
May 10 23:09:26 <whatever4ever> DocScrutinizer well, there was a great article this week, more info on the huge landslide against it. About the lack of dark matter in our universe
May 10 23:09:28 <whatever4ever> in comparison
May 11 00:02:30 <ShadowJK> DocScrutinizer; I was 2 hours then, and now 3 hours ;p
May 11 00:04:13 <DocScrutinizer> often too much for me 
May 11 00:05:33 <DocScrutinizer> I knew I've read sth about memory effect this afternoon or sometime, on N900, but I didn't read that much backscroll when I came back home
May 11 00:27:24 <DocScrutinizer> r00t|home: http://www.mouser.com/catalog/632/2009.pdf  http://il.farnell.com/taiyo-yuden/pas414hr-va5r/cap-0-06f-3-3v-80ohm-4-8mm-coin/dp/1853000?Ntt=PAS414HR-VA5R
May 11 00:31:30 <MassRoute> SELL CC US,UK,AU | SMTP, MAILER, RDP, PHP SHELL, C99, R57 |
May 11 00:35:39 <DocScrutinizer> WTF?
May 11 00:37:00 <ShadowJK> "new wing design on github" < this actually happens already in RC 
May 11 00:37:18 <DocScrutinizer> I bet it does
May 11 00:38:49 <ShadowJK> aw, reached end of scrollback again :)
May 11 00:39:00 <DocScrutinizer> LOL
May 11 00:39:17 <DocScrutinizer> in the up or down direction?
May 11 00:40:12 <ShadowJK> down
May 11 00:40:56 <ShadowJK> as in, I'm now realtime!
May 11 00:40:56 <ShadowJK> for awhile atleast
May 11 00:45:03 * DocScrutinizer idly scrolls up, to find how far back the scroll goes
May 11 00:45:27 <DocScrutinizer> [2012-05-08 21:55:39] hmmm
May 11 00:51:29 * DocScrutinizer shrugs and starts another few experiments with dark mater
May 11 00:57:14 <DocScrutinizer> won't dark matter emit any radiation when akkretion into a black hole happens
May 11 00:57:17 <DocScrutinizer> ?
May 11 00:57:26 <DocScrutinizer> mater*
May 11 00:57:49 <DocScrutinizer> matter**
May 11 00:57:52 <DocScrutinizer> damn
May 11 01:01:09 <ShadowJK> Can you tell the difference?
May 11 01:01:34 <DocScrutinizer> well, maybe
May 11 01:02:04 * ShadowJK has a feeling mass of blackhole, mass of surrounding stuff, and radiation emitted are all unknowns really
May 11 01:02:13 <DocScrutinizer> if it's near enough to "watch" it, it should look rather strange
May 11 01:04:10 <ShadowJK> Presumably you'd need a black hole flying around in intergalactic space too?
May 11 01:06:49 <ShadowJK> What if the universe wrapped around, in the sense that if you traveled really long in one direction you'd come back to your origin, would the indirect effects of gravity all cancel out, or would it add an extra effect noticeable over large scales?
May 11 01:14:15 <SpeedEvil> ##physics
May 11 01:16:15 <ShadowJK> no way, they probably actually know stuff :P
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