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May 15 06:54:18 <Sicelo> anyone.. do you have a /usr/sbin/evkey on your N900? backupmenu doesn't work because i'm missing it :\
May 15 06:55:50 <Sicelo> hmm, it's in /usr/bin/ .. why does backupmenu now look for it in /usr/sbin 
May 15 06:56:00 <Sicelo> and backupmenu worked fine before
May 15 07:19:11 * Sicelo hopes he won't mess his system by making a link for evkey in /usr/sbin
May 15 07:19:13 <Sicelo> :\
May 15 07:21:51 <Sicelo> ah, worked :)
May 15 08:50:55 <sergsergiu> hello
May 15 08:53:09 <sergsergiu> i want to add Copy/Paste to Xterminal ,   gconftool-2 -s /apps/osso/xterm/key_labels -t list --list-type=string "[T,|,>,~,\`,PU,PD,F5,Copy,Paste]"
May 15 08:53:37 <sergsergiu> can tell me someone values for /apps/osso/xterm/keys , copy/paste?
May 15 08:53:57 <sergsergiu> *N900*
May 15 08:58:38 <DocScrutinizer> what an idiocy: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12612#c22
May 15 08:58:39 <povbot> 04Bug 12612: Community Council election process isn't working at all
May 15 09:01:11 <DocScrutinizer> highlights: >> Long pauses in between the process only means that people drop out because they're distracted. << (we're talking about two days).  And >>I'm sure you'd hate to ruin your chances of election by delaying the vote. :^)<< makes me think he already drummed up his voting dummies, and not fears about _own_ election
May 15 09:03:06 <DocScrutinizer> but no, he's actually not even running for election
May 15 09:03:41 <DocScrutinizer> he's one of the council members I never heard of before
May 15 09:06:09 <sergsergiu> DocScrutinizer: is possible to add Copy/Paste shorcut to Xterminal Toolbar?
May 15 09:09:08 <chem|st> sergsergiu: those are keyboard buttons! if you know a keyboard function you might be lucky...
May 15 09:09:14 <DocScrutinizer> shift-ctrl-c and shift-ctrl-v work for desktop xterm. Dunno if they also will work for osso-xterm
May 15 09:09:15 <chem|st> that way it wont work
May 15 09:09:45 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: just ctrl-c ctrl-v for maemo afair
May 15 09:10:03 <DocScrutinizer> ctrl-c in xterm, suuuuure :-D
May 15 09:10:25 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: the terminal emulator on maemo lmc
May 15 09:10:45 <DocScrutinizer> ctrl-c actually works gret in osso-xterm, just not for copy
May 15 09:10:55 <sergsergiu> not working.. Ctrl + C is another thing on Terminl, have 
May 15 09:11:02 <chem|st> ouch yeah sry still on my first coffee...
May 15 09:11:09 <sergsergiu> have Copy?paste buttons on top toolbar..
May 15 09:11:12 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: please slap me
May 15 09:11:23 <sergsergiu> i want buttons from Top toolbar, to bottom toolbar..
May 15 09:11:55 <chem|st> sergsergiu: if you mark something you get copy and paste from the menu not the toolbar, one more tap
May 15 09:12:06 <chem|st> no can do
May 15 09:12:30 <sergsergiu> if you use terminal on full screen....is bad ideea to use normal copy ..paste , of Xterm..damn
May 15 09:12:35 <DocScrutinizer> there's no direct way afaik, though you might try to find copy and paste key in those key definitions
May 15 09:13:28 <chem|st> things like ctrl-shift-$ are really bad shortcuts for n900 kbd
May 15 09:13:45 <sergsergiu> ya
May 15 09:13:50 <DocScrutinizer> sure, esp for ghost keys
May 15 09:13:53 <sergsergiu> maybe shift + c , i dont need Euro Symbol
May 15 09:13:58 <sergsergiu> is possible to rebind it?
May 15 09:15:04 <chem|st> you can change the keyboard setting yes but if you are able to rebind a key combination like that you can also add it to the bottom toolbar
May 15 09:15:23 <DocScrutinizer> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=34926&page=6
May 15 09:16:37 <MohammadAG> Ghost keys?
May 15 09:16:52 <DocScrutinizer> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5421#c26
May 15 09:16:53 <povbot> 04Bug 5421: keys when long pressed should give the blue symbol/number
May 15 09:17:10 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: n-key-rollover
May 15 09:17:15 <sergsergiu> DocScrutinizer: forum is unusual on this problem :)) i watched everything *apps/osso/xterm*
May 15 09:17:26 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer: I have that crap turned off for a while
May 15 09:17:50 <sergsergiu> chem|st: maybe on bottom toolbar u can add just one symbol , not combinatio like ctrl & C
May 15 09:17:54 <DocScrutinizer> you can't turn off n-key-rollover (or the lack thereof)
May 15 09:18:16 <DocScrutinizer> shift-ctrl-j/k problem
May 15 09:19:20 <DocScrutinizer> http://wiki.maemo.org/Remapping_keyboard
May 15 09:20:46 <DocScrutinizer> http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Subsystems#Keyboard
May 15 09:20:58 <sergsergiu> thanks doc
May 15 09:21:17 <DocScrutinizer> Sh-Fn-J/K, Sh-CTL-K/H
May 15 09:21:28 <chem|st> sergsergiu: I actualy use the top bar if ever needed, as I usually do not need to copy from xterm and not paste in it again
May 15 09:23:45 <MohammadAG> You'll probably have to modify osso-xterm's source
May 15 09:26:34 <DocScrutinizer> yes, since shift-ctrl-c is bount to same function as ctrl-c
May 15 09:26:52 <DocScrutinizer> you might fix that in kbd mapping though
May 15 09:27:00 <DocScrutinizer> maybe then it could work
May 15 09:27:33 <MohammadAG> Or just hardcode the new buttons
May 15 09:27:59 <DocScrutinizer> you still have to hardcode for a sequence maped to anything
May 15 09:28:03 <MohammadAG> Or, a more advanced way is to modify the XML loading function
May 15 09:28:17 <DocScrutinizer> ????
May 15 09:45:02 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer: The method that loads the config
May 15 09:45:12 <MohammadAG> In osso-xterm's code
May 15 09:46:39 <DocScrutinizer> mhm
May 15 09:48:48 <DocScrutinizer> Jaffa: it's obviously useless, those guys are so eager to quit their term, they won't give new council a clean start, if that means delaying vote for another 2 or even 30 days
May 15 09:52:01 <DocScrutinizer> they spoiled the schedule as given in statutes, now they think when they're already late it's better to break another 5 or more rules of statutes to not get more late. A paradox idea
May 15 09:57:22 <Jaffa> DocScrutinizer: The trouble is, I think we *would* have to look at another multi-week timetable.
May 15 09:58:03 <Jaffa> DocScrutinizer: And I want SD69 voted out. It seems unlikely, but the audacity of standing for a third term when he's been visible but ineffective is really pissing me off.
May 15 09:59:01 <Jaffa> DocScrutinizer: A new timetable (where the vote starts with the tokens) is preferable from a usability/participation PoV compared with an email + 2 day delay (IMHO)
May 15 10:00:12 <DocScrutinizer> Jaffa: sorry to say that, but your personal interests are as irrelevant as anybody other's
May 15 10:00:23 <DocScrutinizer> in this regard, on this topic
May 15 10:01:27 <DocScrutinizer> new timetable is the only correct thing to do. Alas in your post you seem to suggest a timetale that dates like starting vote in 3h
May 15 10:02:53 <DocScrutinizer> >>1) Election starts at 2012-05-15T12:00Z and runs to 2012-05-22T11:59Z [...]  I can only think that (1) is the right option.
May 15 10:08:03 <DocScrutinizer> and btw the minimum 2 day lead time for sending ballots has been proven necessary in past elections, as it always been difficult to make all mails go out correctly, and those two days are considered minimum time needed to sort that out. See https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12612#c6 >>[Subj:] Maemo Community Council election Q3 2010; 2010-09-17(!!!) 15:43;  [...] Due to reports from several people about problems with voting tokens 
May 15 10:08:04 <povbot> 04Bug 12612: Community Council election process isn't working at all
May 15 10:08:04 <DocScrutinizer> being blocked by mail relays, we are sending this reminder to everyone who has not yet voted in the elections, confirming your voting credentials.
May 15 10:09:11 <DocScrutinizer> each election it's being promised next time it will get done better, each time it's worse
May 15 10:11:02 <X-Fade> DocScrutinizer: People need to be interested enough to organize it, if they aren't, what does it say about the need for a council...
May 15 10:11:21 <DocScrutinizer> indeed
May 15 10:12:11 <X-Fade> We can argue a lot about things that do not matter at all. Like when to mail or how long to keep the voting open...
May 15 10:12:11 <DocScrutinizer> otoh people weren't exatly interested in recent votes in Syria, guess why
May 15 10:12:14 <Jaffa> DocScrutinizer: My point is that the current council aren't necessarily going to do a better job no matter how long is waited
May 15 10:12:37 <Jaffa> DocScrutinizer: I do not believe it is sensible to *ever* have a delay between emailing the ballot and when that ballot can be actioned.
May 15 10:13:03 <X-Fade> Jaffa: Attach a vcal so they don't forget :D
May 15 10:13:05 <Jaffa> DocScrutinizer: If there are problems with people receiving the email, that has to be dealt with quickly and responsively whilst the election is in progress
May 15 10:13:33 <Jaffa> DocScrutinizer: The logic doesn't stand up: there's always going to be a reason why it should be delayed 'n'+1 days
May 15 10:13:46 <X-Fade> Mail is coming from the same server we have been using for a long while, it should not be an issue.
May 15 10:14:17 <Jaffa> ...and if it's at recipient's end, there's no reason why two days is sufficient.
May 15 10:14:26 <Jaffa> X-Fade: How long does it take to send all the ballots out?
May 15 10:14:44 <X-Fade> Jaffa: the actual sending?
May 15 10:15:02 <Jaffa> As long as there's a council blog post saying "if you haven't got your token by $Y, do $X", that's all that can be done
May 15 10:15:10 <Jaffa> X-Fade: Yeah, it's one mail per person
May 15 10:15:49 <X-Fade> I guess an hour or so.. It is only a few k mails.
May 15 10:16:38 <Jaffa> DocScrutinizer: And yes, my timescale did start in only a few hours. Don't see why it can't (since the info seems to have all been drafted) and the voter roll created
May 15 10:21:21 <DocScrutinizer> X-Fade: (should not be an issue.) and yet it been, so many times (not only with elections mail)
May 15 10:21:45 <X-Fade> DocScrutinizer: Yet, I don't see anyone complaining about mailinglist mails etc.
May 15 10:21:53 <DocScrutinizer> thanks to Nokia/service-provider for mailing doing an abysmal job, according to my sysop
May 15 10:22:38 <DocScrutinizer> issues with reverse lookup not matching origin URL and whatnot
May 15 10:22:55 <DocScrutinizer> greylisting
May 15 10:23:05 <DocScrutinizer> even blacklisting every now and then
May 15 10:23:23 <X-Fade> I have no issues on any of the mayor mail services, it isn't that bad.
May 15 10:23:58 <DocScrutinizer> but I honestly am less concerned about a closed lead time from mailing til vote _opens_, I'm concerned about the timespan from mailing til vote _closes_
May 15 10:24:27 <Jaffa> DocScrutinizer: Those users are the minority. Therefore, they should be looked after, but not drive the situation. If there's $WHATEVER_COMMS_METHOD_TO_TELL_THEM_TO_EXPECT_AN_EMAIL up immediately, and there's a clear & responsive process, that deals with the majority (can vote straightaway) and the minority (can get problems fixed quickly)
May 15 10:24:40 <DocScrutinizer> also about timespan from proper announcement of voting date to that voting date
May 15 10:24:58 <X-Fade> DocScrutinizer: If people haven't voted in 8 days, then they never will.
May 15 10:25:12 <DocScrutinizer> that's completely not true
May 15 10:25:24 <X-Fade> I can send out a reminder half way, that will help a lot more.
May 15 10:25:46 <X-Fade> DocScrutinizer: For what reason would people wait for 8 days after receiving their mail?>
May 15 10:25:52 <Jaffa> X-Fade: Holidays
May 15 10:26:14 <X-Fade> Jaffa: 1% of our voter base..
May 15 10:26:28 <DocScrutinizer> people can vote even in one day (we do this all the time, everywhere on this globe), IF properly announced with sufficient lead time
May 15 10:26:31 <Jaffa> If the date had been communicated clearly, and the schedule followed (even taking into account the nomination period), people can put plans in place
May 15 10:26:40 <X-Fade> There is always a reason, no money to pay for internet service is something we also need to take into account?
May 15 10:27:02 <DocScrutinizer> we need to take into account the ststutes
May 15 10:27:35 <X-Fade> I really feel you are seeking issues that just aren't there.
May 15 10:27:47 <DocScrutinizer> I posted a last desperate comment on that ticket
May 15 10:28:07 <DocScrutinizer> I'm sure it'll get ignored
May 15 10:28:34 <DocScrutinizer> as everybody seems to like to run this election in a way optimized by his own liking
May 15 10:29:39 <X-Fade> Well, postpone the vote by a month. Do everything the proper way and see if it matters?
May 15 10:30:00 <DocScrutinizer> in the end the trigger-happy will shoot while the prudent still wonder
May 15 10:30:47 <DocScrutinizer> it matters for the validity of the election - it's a shame our community / council is incapable to run such a silly simple thing
May 15 10:31:33 <X-Fade> We're waiting on a response from Robert atm.
May 15 10:31:54 <DocScrutinizer> a ruleset more precise and shirter than the 10 commandments, and we're incapable to interpret and follow them
May 15 10:32:10 <DocScrutinizer> shorter*
May 15 10:32:38 <X-Fade> Yet nobody stepped up beforehand to run or monitor the process.
May 15 10:32:44 <Jaffa> DocScrutinizer: Fair points. But what if SD69 is incapable of following those rules to produce a valid election.
May 15 10:32:54 <X-Fade> This isn't about technical parts, this is about the people part.
May 15 10:33:00 <Jaffa> X-Fade: Because it's quite clearly the Council's job. In fact, it's the *sole* job they've got.
May 15 10:33:09 <Jaffa> ...defined
May 15 10:33:18 <Jaffa> (everything else is "coordinate", "facilitate".)
May 15 10:33:19 <DocScrutinizer> seems there's a Nokia community manager to step in then, AIUI and whoever that might be
May 15 10:33:32 <DocScrutinizer> Jaffa: ^^^
May 15 10:33:40 <X-Fade> DocScrutinizer: No, Nokia doesn't have to do anything.
May 15 10:33:47 <X-Fade> DocScrutinizer: We, the community need to.
May 15 10:33:51 <DocScrutinizer> sure
May 15 10:33:57 <DocScrutinizer> I'm just quoting
May 15 10:34:23 <chem|st> just declare doc and me council for the time being...
May 15 10:34:33 <DocScrutinizer> >> Failure to do so may result in the Nokia Community Manager, or the outgoing Council, declaring their nomination invalid<<
May 15 10:35:05 <chem|st> I am so fed by those election whores
May 15 10:35:29 <X-Fade> A community is what you make of it.
May 15 10:35:31 <DocScrutinizer> though not exactly on the point of a council miserably failing on its duties, it still seems to somewhat apply by common sense
May 15 10:35:41 <chem|st> hehe
May 15 10:37:53 <DocScrutinizer> at least to me this installs a Nokia community manager "deputy"
May 15 10:38:31 <DocScrutinizer> or call it sherrif
May 15 10:38:49 <DocScrutinizer> i'd assume that's Quim by now
May 15 10:39:42 <ruskie> http://www.reghardware.com/2012/05/15/nokia_outs_110_and_112_budget_voice_phones/
May 15 10:40:03 <DocScrutinizer> if a council goes completely nuts, we need some instance to remove that dictatorship
May 15 10:40:49 <DocScrutinizer> and to reinitialize/re-instantiate the council
May 15 10:41:16 <DocScrutinizer> that's quite obviously this Nokia Community Manager
May 15 10:41:28 <X-Fade> But even that really worst case, we can do that ourselves as a community too.
May 15 10:41:44 <DocScrutinizer> how?
May 15 10:42:15 <DocScrutinizer> who's going to organise the elections of the exile-cabinet then?
May 15 10:43:03 <X-Fade> You discuss things like that in public and try to come up with a solution that has community wide support.
May 15 10:43:22 <DocScrutinizer> who's going to inform nemein about not further listening to dictator council?
May 15 10:44:20 <DocScrutinizer> well, basically elections are MEH in my book, been since ~1 year
May 15 10:44:43 <DocScrutinizer> these one no aengstrom better
May 15 10:45:24 <DocScrutinizer> so I stop my rant now, as I think next council won't be any better than current one
May 15 10:45:49 <DocScrutinizer> I'm just embarrassed we can't get such a simple thing like an election right
May 15 11:04:12 <Jaffa> DocScrutinizer: I think I'm persuaded. I don't think there should be a delay between sending voting tokens and the start of the election (though a reminder email would mitigate those concerts), I can see why we should have a publicised date.
May 15 11:06:38 <DocScrutinizer> Jaffa: alas it seems yur notion is only marginally more relevant for the whole decicion making than mine. In the end it's the current council that decides, and that's a bug in design somehow
May 15 11:08:11 <X-Fade> But really, the current council is not against elections.
May 15 11:08:25 <DocScrutinizer> I'd really love to see next elections getting planned at *beginning* of this term, and council removed if they fail to manage that
May 15 11:11:13 <DocScrutinizer> well, again, I'm getting headache from all this. I'll leave it up to you to do whatever feels right. I once almost missed my token, due to no proper mail sending infra (Nokia graylisted) and me not even noticing due to nobody publishing the date every 60 minutes. This time I for sure won't frown if it doesn't show up at all in my mail, I'll just shrug and think "expected"
May 15 11:19:41 <X-Fade> DocScrutinizer: Dude, you already got it.. chill a bit :)
May 15 11:19:53 <X-Fade> DocScrutinizer: We tested it, you got the mail.
May 15 11:20:50 <Jaffa> DocScrutinizer: Anyway, you've persuaded me. See comments 28 & 29
May 15 11:21:53 <DocScrutinizer> sure, I offered to test it to allow for a smooth election without the annoyances of last ones. However I'm not sure if I already got Nokia whitelisted (by my mail sysop) to cope with all sorts of brainfsck in ships with in the mail header.
May 15 11:22:00 <DocScrutinizer> I've seen the comments
May 15 11:22:17 <X-Fade> DocScrutinizer: Nokia has got nothing to do with this.
May 15 11:22:19 <DocScrutinizer> I'm not contributing anymore, earns me bad karma
May 15 11:23:12 <DocScrutinizer> X-Fade: s/Nokia/${whatever-srerver-sends-those-mails}/ - sorry
May 15 11:25:46 <X-Fade> Anyway, I see nothing strange in the headers and it should be ok.
May 15 11:27:22 <DocScrutinizer> fine
May 15 11:27:34 <DocScrutinizer> much appreciated you take care about it
May 15 11:35:41 <ruskie> http://www.reghardware.com/2012/05/15/apple_iphone_4s_siri_suggsts_nokia_lumia_900_is_best_phone/ <-- rofl
May 15 11:46:30 <khertan> ruskie, it s patched now
May 15 16:32:10 <timeless> anyone here bank w/ sampo?
May 15 16:37:07 <joga> heh...nope, stopped being their customer after the new ridiculous online bank 
May 15 16:38:49 <Proteous_> sampo? isn't that that one whale?
May 15 16:38:55 <Proteous_> or was that shamoo
May 15 16:40:13 <vi_> sooo
May 15 16:40:30 <vi_> I just got a new n900 keyboard from my local Nokia care centre
May 15 16:40:56 <vi_> it took a HELL of a lot of talking to get them to give me the damn keyboard
May 15 16:41:02 <vi_> they wanted to fit it!
May 15 16:41:08 <vi_> and imma all like:
May 15 16:41:52 <vi_> 'seriously guys, I would much rather fit it myself' (last time I brought you my n900, you gave me back an N8...
May 15 16:42:33 <vi_> Can anyone provide a good reason to not fill the back with artic silver thermal grease?
May 15 16:43:10 <freemangordon> vi_, isn't that conductive?
May 15 16:43:17 <Proteous_> it is
May 15 16:43:28 <freemangordon> good enough reason?
May 15 16:43:35 <freemangordon> :P
May 15 16:43:36 <vi_> freemangordon: I thought the point of it was it is NOT electrically conductive!
May 15 16:43:44 <freemangordon> are you sure?
May 15 16:43:48 <vi_> ...
May 15 16:43:50 <vi_> nope
May 15 16:43:53 <vi_> brb
May 15 16:44:03 <freemangordon> it has metal dust in it, ain't?
May 15 16:44:08 <Proteous_> it is conductive
May 15 16:44:20 <Proteous_> and no, the point of it is to be thermaly conductive
May 15 16:45:12 <vi_> it appears you are correct
May 15 16:45:17 <vi_> you win this time
May 15 16:45:21 <vi_> this time
May 15 16:45:29 <Proteous_> dun dun duuuuunnnnn
May 15 16:47:03 <freemangordon> vi_, but you can use the good old silicone paste afaik, for sure it is not-conductive
May 15 16:47:20 <BiggAl> you could however fill it with mineral oil, and then make sure it doesn't leak - it has a really high heat capacity
May 15 16:47:34 <BiggAl> but that could easily get messy
May 15 16:50:34 <vi_> Where is DocScrutinizer?  Doesnt he realise there is someone here who is wrong he could be telling so?
May 15 16:51:24 <BiggAl> hehehe
May 15 16:52:05 <BiggAl> wouldn't be the first time telling me I was wrong though, last time it took an hour and a half to get to a point where we could both accept the other being wrong :p
May 15 16:54:06 <vi_> BiggAl: that is so wrong
May 15 16:54:36 <freemangordon> vi_, nah, you're wrong 
May 15 16:54:45 <vi_> what if i put a tiny blob on the back of the RF sheilding above the cpu/mem between it and the battery compartment metal?
May 15 16:54:52 <DocScrutinizer> you're all so wrong
May 15 16:55:00 <freemangordon> :D:D:D
May 15 16:55:04 <vi_> !!!!
May 15 16:55:04 <BiggAl> ;)
May 15 16:56:03 <vi_> DocScrutinizer: is CPU on the same side of the PCB as the keyboard?
May 15 16:56:49 * DocScrutinizer just wonders what'S the use of filling back of keymat with arctic silver thermal conductive
May 15 16:56:58 <freemangordon> vi_, AFAIK the most of the termal dissipation goes through PCB, adding a thermo-conductive material above CPU won't help much
May 15 16:57:37 <DocScrutinizer> it will nicely add to thermal isolation ;-P
May 15 16:57:43 <freemangordon> ;)
May 15 16:58:16 <DocScrutinizer> btw what makes you think the CPU gets hot?
May 15 16:58:26 <vi_> DocScrutinizer: ...OC
May 15 16:58:33 <DocScrutinizer> shrug
May 15 16:58:59 <DocScrutinizer> I've rarely ever heard about thermal problems when OCing N900
May 15 16:59:00 <freemangordon> well, depends, a thermo-conductive rubber may work
May 15 16:59:44 <DocScrutinizer> I suggest thermo-conductive snake oil, beaten up to cream
May 15 17:00:04 <freemangordon> :nod: might do the job as well 
May 15 17:00:50 <vi_> did you see the post on TMO by the guy who managed to cram some 5800 speakers into his n900?
May 15 17:01:41 * DocScrutinizer is not particularly interested, smiles at his 4 spare speakers
May 15 17:02:33 <vi_> what protective film is there for my keyboard that you spoke off?
May 15 17:02:35 <DocScrutinizer> wait, weren't they the same anyway
May 15 17:02:54 <freemangordon> no, they are bigger
May 15 17:02:55 <vi_> no, he had to chop a bit out of his case
May 15 17:03:09 <DocScrutinizer> LOL
May 15 17:03:29 <vi_> LOL indeed.  He complained they sounded 'tinny'.
May 15 17:03:47 <DocScrutinizer> ORLY?!  :-o
May 15 17:04:10 <vi_> M'FCKRS
May 15 17:04:20 <MohammadAG> ever considered stand up irony?
May 15 17:04:21 <vi_> my new keyboard has a broken surround.
May 15 17:04:40 <MohammadAG> it's like comedy, but uses the irony of others for entertainment
May 15 17:04:49 <DocScrutinizer> you got a kbd with surround sound?
May 15 17:04:58 <vi_> -_-
May 15 17:05:00 <vi_> yes
May 15 17:05:13 <freemangordon> what a pitty it is broken
May 15 17:05:20 <vi_> oh well, back in with the manky old one
May 15 17:05:24 <DocScrutinizer> blame Dolby-Labs
May 15 17:06:12 <vi_> MohammadAG: and how does irony relate to 'tinny'?
May 15 17:06:47 <DocScrutinizer> javispedro: hi! :-)
May 15 17:07:30 <MohammadAG> vi_, it doesn't, it's just your style :P
May 15 17:07:38 <MohammadAG> oh, javispedro's alive
May 15 17:07:48 <MohammadAG> anyone good at handling servers?
May 15 17:08:07 <MohammadAG> my server points to a russian site in the .htaccess file
May 15 17:08:22 <DocScrutinizer> errr
May 15 17:08:33 <vi_> MohammadAG: you been haxxed?
May 15 17:08:37 <DocScrutinizer> you got haxord
May 15 17:08:50 <MohammadAG> oh, they're no longer write protected
May 15 17:09:00 <MohammadAG> yeah, my question was that they were write protected
May 15 17:09:02 <MohammadAG> the .htaccess files
May 15 17:09:35 <vi_> MohammadAG: someone haxes your webhost gaining root access over ALL the accounts.
May 15 17:09:50 <DocScrutinizer> no kidding
May 15 17:09:51 <vi_> MohammadAG: then proceeds to ruin all the sites on the server
May 15 17:10:01 <vi_> MohammadAG: not just yours.
May 15 17:10:43 <DocScrutinizer> happy re-install day err week
May 15 17:10:56 <MohammadAG> http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/n9sources_repo/ clicking pool still redirects me
May 15 17:10:58 <MohammadAG> what gives
May 15 17:13:05 <MohammadAG> $ rm .htaccess 
May 15 17:13:05 <MohammadAG> rm: remove write-protected regular file `.htaccess'? 
May 15 17:13:21 <vi_> MohammadAG: have you tried a full reflash?
May 15 17:13:23 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: you lost me
May 15 17:13:33 <vi_> MohammadAG: wait, did you install battery patch?
May 15 17:13:42 <DocScrutinizer> who's redirecting you where to?
May 15 17:13:56 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, clicking pool in that link redirects me to a russian site
May 15 17:14:33 <DocScrutinizer> bwahaha, google.de
May 15 17:15:13 <DocScrutinizer> now even works
May 15 17:15:15 <MohammadAG> click http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/n9sources_repo/pool/
May 15 17:15:31 <DocScrutinizer>  free/                   21-Mar-2012 14:16    -  
May 15 17:15:31 <MohammadAG> This web page at kogirlsnotcryz.ru has been reported as an attack page and has been blocked based on your security preferences.
May 15 17:15:35 <MohammadAG> the fuck
May 15 17:16:18 <DocScrutinizer> thanks for spamming the URL here then >:-(
May 15 17:17:12 <MohammadAG> yeah, umm, sorry about that
May 15 17:17:30 <MohammadAG> it works now it seems
May 15 17:18:44 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: your box consideredrooted nevertheless
May 15 17:20:06 <MohammadAG> technically, it's not mine
May 15 17:20:09 <DocScrutinizer> irritating permissions as reported by "normal" tools like ls are a strong indication as well
May 15 17:20:11 <MohammadAG> it's on DreamHost
May 15 17:21:55 <vi_> freemangordon: I think I have found a bug in CSSU
May 15 17:22:04 <vi_> freemangordon: camera-ui2
May 15 17:22:19 <DocScrutinizer> dafaq
May 15 17:23:15 <vi_> if you use camera-ui2, take some photos etc
May 15 17:23:17 <DocScrutinizer> camera on my CSSU daily phone is basically fsckdup
May 15 17:23:28 <vi_> then close camera-ui2
May 15 17:23:35 <vi_> then open blessn900
May 15 17:23:53 <vi_> try to take a photo, it will crash and close blessn900
May 15 17:24:04 <DocScrutinizer> it shortly shows taken picture in postview, then switches to black screen with notice "the file can't be displayed" OWTTE
May 15 17:24:19 <vi_> DocScrutinizer: WFM
May 15 17:24:44 <vi_> however if you open, then close fcamera after camera-ui2 blessn900 works fine
May 15 17:25:05 <DocScrutinizer> vi_: seems to me your bug already got reported and fixed
May 15 17:25:08 <vi_> is it possible camera-ui2 is leaving the camera hardware in a funny state
May 15 17:25:12 <vi_> ?
May 15 17:25:17 <vi_> DocScrutinizer: ORLY?
May 15 17:25:47 <DocScrutinizer> I recall there's been sth with filename scheme
May 15 17:26:21 <vi_> what?
May 15 17:26:33 <vi_> DocScrutinizer: are you perhaps refering to a different bug?
May 15 17:26:45 <DocScrutinizer> maybe
May 15 17:38:43 <MohammadAG> When you lose yourself in your own code...
May 15 17:39:32 <MohammadAG> vi_, or perhaps blessn900 isn't initializing the camera as it has to
May 15 17:39:35 <MohammadAG> since fcam works fine
May 15 17:49:55 <javispedro> DocScrutinizer: MohammadAG: yes I'm alive, mostly on Friday afternoons only though.
May 15 17:50:22 <MohammadAG> it's tuesday :p
May 15 17:50:32 <MohammadAG> oh wait, so you're undead now/
May 15 17:50:51 * javispedro checks breath... yes, undead.
May 15 17:56:27 <vi_> MohammadAG: very good point
May 15 18:08:08 <RST38h> MEANWHILE: Brilliant Thieves Steal $500,000 In Medical Equipment Loaded With Flesh-Eating Bacteria
May 15 18:19:33 <GeneralAntilles> omnomnom
May 15 18:20:32 <holmesii> does anyone program with accelerometer on N900? I want know can I use this meter to calculate the device's velocity
May 15 18:24:42 <holmesii> does anyone program with accelerometer on N900? I want know can I use this meter to calculate the device's velocity
May 15 18:30:35 * RST38h yawns
May 15 18:31:06 <RST38h> General: Is Florida succumbing to the flesh eating bacteria as we speak?
May 15 18:31:34 <GeneralAntilles> Just the old folks in the shittier hospitals.
May 15 18:31:35 <RST38h> General: More importantly, is your university CS department safe? =)
May 15 18:31:41 <GeneralAntilles> Mine is.
May 15 18:31:48 <RST38h> !
May 15 18:31:52 <GeneralAntilles> UF's is just getting folded into math and engineering.
May 15 18:31:59 <GeneralAntilles> Which is less world-ending than it sounds.
May 15 18:32:07 <RST38h> yeah
May 15 18:32:16 <RST38h> After all, CS and EE are often combined
May 15 20:47:15 <vi__> how do I disable desktop portrait mode?
May 15 20:51:21 <MrPingu> Some gconf value
May 15 20:51:39 <MrPingu> described in the wiki
May 15 20:58:08 <MrPingu> vi__ : see here http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Features
May 16 01:13:31 <FIQ> foo
May 16 01:13:41 <FIQ> s/oo/&a/
May 16 01:13:42 <infobot> FIQ meant: f&a
May 16 01:13:47 <FIQ> oh well
May 16 02:27:03 <bjv> is there some trick that must be done to get MicroB to request an html cache manifest?
May 16 02:28:02 <bjv> i visit http://starkravingfinkle.org/projects/offline/todo.html in microB, i am able to connect to a no-internet network and successfully use mr. finkle's js demo offline
May 16 02:28:45 <bjv> if i download his .zip and host the same demo myself,   my server does not receive a GET request for todo.manifest from microB
May 16 02:31:39 <bjv> if i request the same locally hosted demo from Opera mobile 10, the server _does correctly register the GET request's for todo.manifest
May 16 02:32:23 <bjv> anyone have experience with html5 and any tricks necessary to get microB to play nice with your host?
May 16 02:33:00 <bjv> i have no better luck with a minimal document:   <html manifest="test.manifest"><h1>Hello World!</h1></html>
May 16 02:34:29 <bjv> and a 3 line manifest
May 16 02:34:33 <bjv> CACHE MANIFEST
May 16 02:34:35 <bjv> # v1
May 16 02:34:37 <bjv> test.html
May 16 02:47:16 <DocScrutinizer> YAAAAWN
May 16 02:47:25 <DocScrutinizer> **VOTE!** http://bit.ly/JmchJM
May 16 02:47:30 <DocScrutinizer> check your mail
May 16 02:54:35 * DocScrutinizer wishes good luck to the 7 candidates and hands out two lollies for the two who won't make it
May 16 02:55:50 <DocScrutinizer> my condolences current council wasn't even capable to give the other five of next council a proper legitimate start
May 16 02:56:04 <DocScrutinizer> shame on you, current council
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