**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jun 04 02:59:59 2012 Jun 04 03:33:07 Anyone around? Jun 04 04:17:58 robbiethe1st, here Jun 04 04:18:55 no, it doesn't work. Jun 04 04:22:10 ? Jun 04 04:39:01 the pipe command. Jun 04 05:00:27 turns out it does work Jun 04 05:00:38 The pipe anyway Jun 04 05:00:58 split won't accept stdin with stock busybox, though Jun 04 05:38:33 yea, sd mod finished Jun 04 05:38:43 took few solid hours, as I had to modify existing instructions... Jun 04 05:39:21 I wanted to retain possibility of having serial console and serial port, so didn't wanted to use easily-available pads + I want, for sure, add USB 1.1 ports later Jun 04 05:39:38 so I had to probe it with multimeter, finding other spots with correct connections Jun 04 05:40:25 + didn't wanted to solder SD card for "forever", or to solder microSD adapter, as I would like to use cheaper full size Sd cards = I dissasembled cheap USB sd card reader and prepared solid slot for SD Jun 04 05:40:29 modified case, etc Jun 04 05:41:06 overall, it's ncie to boot acces point with 2GB storage :D (card that I had lying somewhere, could use any number), for... IDK, 5 usd? Jun 04 05:41:55 * Estel_ head to install openwrt, optware, and some IRC proxy, so he and rest of Council doesn't need to rely on unreliable people revoking promises at first signs of personal dissagrements Jun 04 07:15:28 Estel_, what kind of SD mod is that? Jun 04 07:15:44 what's likely to cause the application manager to complain that a deb is an "incompatible application package", for a deb that otherwise installs fine via dpkg with no warnings Jun 04 07:16:35 might be just HAM being stupid. Jun 04 07:16:39 ah, is it perhaps because it's a library? Jun 04 07:16:45 do you have and conflicts/replces etc? Jun 04 07:16:45 instead of a user facing application Jun 04 07:17:02 Elleo, iirc it doesn't distinguish between the two Jun 04 07:17:20 nope, no conflicts or replaces Jun 04 07:17:40 meh, just HAM being crap as always. carry on, I guess. Jun 04 07:17:41 maybe because I didn't add an X-Maemo-Application-Name field? Jun 04 07:20:42 nope, apparently not that Jun 04 08:16:46 ok, ordered 3 new ones Jun 04 08:16:56 :-) Jun 04 08:17:52 one is not for me though Jun 04 08:19:53 three what? Jun 04 08:24:47 Elleo/Hurrian ham says incompatible package if the package is not in one of the few defined user/something sections Jun 04 08:25:01 merlin1991: ah Jun 04 08:25:02 thanks Jun 04 08:25:32 valid sections are here: http://wiki.maemo.org/Packaging#Sections Jun 04 08:25:51 great, that's a big help Jun 04 08:27:10 moo Jun 04 08:27:29 DocScrutinizer51: right... Jun 04 08:28:02 chem|st: thanks again for letting me know :-) Jun 04 08:28:11 merlin1991: awesome, that's sorted my problem, thanks again :) Jun 04 08:28:21 yw :) Jun 04 08:28:27 DocScrutinizer51: yw Jun 04 08:28:35 thought about myself Jun 04 08:28:38 Sc0rpius: N900 Jun 04 08:29:00 nice. Jun 04 08:29:25 DocScrutinizer51: have you called in and asked if they are OVP unboxed? Jun 04 08:29:47 no, just added it as condition comment to order Jun 04 08:30:05 uh might be backscattering Jun 04 08:30:20 hm? Jun 04 08:30:33 didn#t you read the links I sent you? Jun 04 08:30:48 no Jun 04 08:30:53 which links Jun 04 08:31:14 one was 50:50 good and bad about shipping packaging and so on Jun 04 08:31:27 hmm Jun 04 08:31:48 that link Jun 04 08:32:04 thats why I asked you to call in ahead Jun 04 08:34:04 well enough coding for tonight Jun 04 08:46:04 well, shipping etc is no such big deal, as long as the devices are no fake, or used ones somebody refurbished (or not) Jun 04 08:50:26 there's been another shop which sold used refurbished devices as if they were new Jun 04 08:51:55 I think I should call in anyway, as they wait for my payment, so I get to know if they can deliver what I ordered before transfering the money Jun 04 09:00:08 chem|st: only 2 left over, no original package but allegedly unused new device, only battery and PSU, no other accessories Jun 04 09:15:49 god fucking damn Jun 04 09:15:57 I find what I believe to be the best keyboard in the world Jun 04 09:16:09 and it doesn't work under linux :( Jun 04 09:17:56 teotwaki, how could it not work under linux, if it adheres to the HID spec Jun 04 09:18:45 teotwaki: which? Jun 04 09:20:20 I was thinking about buying a rapoo Jun 04 09:20:52 zowie celeritas Jun 04 09:21:05 it works, but apparently there's bug in udev Jun 04 09:21:30 which means that when I hit dead keys (ctrl, shift, alt), there's no "SYN" signal sent, which forces Linux to consider the key was released instantly Jun 04 09:22:00 https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/24505 Jun 04 09:22:48 chem|st: ^ Jun 04 09:24:38 hehe Jun 04 09:24:40 teotwaki: epic fail :) Jun 04 09:24:44 a zowie.... Jun 04 09:25:07 Does there is a webdav client for n900 ? Jun 04 09:26:15 Khertan: Comment appelle-t-on un cheval qui se casse la gueule? Jun 04 09:26:43 teotwaki: aucune idée Jun 04 09:26:50 Khertan: Un hippique fail Jun 04 09:27:01 roh Jun 04 09:27:04 :) Jun 04 09:27:26 teotwaki: forcement j'aurais du me douter Jun 04 09:28:51 Someone have try to use qt quick component on harmattan ? is it useable ? as my first try fail on InfoBanner and maxlinecount unavaible in the n900 qt version of qt quick Jun 04 09:33:54 teotwaki: you never had a cherry kbd? Jun 04 09:34:57 I had one sometime ago, got stolen Jun 04 09:42:14 teotwaki: modifier keys, not dead keys Jun 04 09:42:24 DocScrutinizer: right, sorry Jun 04 09:42:34 deadkey is, like, ` Jun 04 09:45:39 teotwaki: I just corrected you as there's an obviously unrelated "no-deadkeys" kbd-layout in linux Jun 04 09:46:44 ~ on n900 is a classical deadkey Jun 04 09:46:45 okay, DocScrutinizer51 Jun 04 09:46:50 damn Jun 04 09:46:56 MEEE! :-/ Jun 04 09:47:07 ~forget on n900 Jun 04 09:47:08 i forgot on n900, DocScrutinizer51 Jun 04 10:41:28 Narwhal Jun 04 10:41:29 + Jun 04 10:41:32 Pony Jun 04 10:41:33 == Jun 04 10:41:38 Unicorn Jun 04 10:45:03 amphibious unicorn Jun 04 10:45:14 nae Jun 04 10:45:18 wetlook unicorn. Jun 04 12:06:58 \o/ Jun 04 12:07:10 Mechanical keyboard ftw! Now workz under Linux :D Jun 04 12:07:54 hm? Jun 04 12:08:12 you attached a rmeington typewriter to your PC? Jun 04 12:08:18 remington Jun 04 12:11:29 lol Jun 04 12:13:23 DocScrutinizer: cherry mx brown key switches Jun 04 15:50:13 Hi everybody Jun 04 15:50:45 someone know what will happen with meego ? i'm considering the buy of a nokia n9 Jun 04 15:51:26 but I'am wondering.. some say this will be the only phone with harmattan **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jun 04 15:56:03 2012 Jun 04 15:56:57 disco_stu: officialy there will be no further maemo/meego phone Jun 04 15:58:09 as they just started to resurrect Qt and such, noone knows Jun 04 15:59:35 chem|st: i've seen the phone and it is awesome, but I dont know if I should buy it. shame on nokia Jun 04 16:13:05 WTF? Facebook DNS resolves to IPv6 address Jun 04 16:13:17 MohammadAG, ping Jun 04 16:16:43 freemangordon: yeah, what's wrong with that Jun 04 16:16:59 it's the future Jun 04 16:17:27 jacekowski: "Failed to connect to 2a03:2880:10:1f03:face:b00c:0:26: Network is unreachable". That is why facebook widget/photo uploader fails Jun 04 16:17:52 well, your computer shouldn't try ipv6 unless you have working ipv6 Jun 04 16:18:06 my computer? no, it is my n900 Jun 04 16:18:17 well, then your n900 Jun 04 16:18:55 what's in your /etc/gai.conf Jun 04 16:19:23 cat: can't open '/etc/gai.conf': No such file or directory Jun 04 16:21:01 jacekowski: Have in mind that FB DNS returns ONLY IPv6 address, i checked it with tcpdump Jun 04 16:21:35 that's because you only ask for ipv6 Jun 04 16:21:46 you have to ask for A record not for AAAA Jun 04 16:22:01 jacekowski, it is AAAA Jun 04 16:22:08 want a pastebin? Jun 04 16:22:14 root@jacekowski:/etc# host -t A facebook.com Jun 04 16:22:14 facebook.com has address 69.171.229.11 Jun 04 16:22:24 root@jacekowski:/etc# host -t AAAA facebook.com Jun 04 16:22:24 facebook.com has IPv6 address 2a03:2880:2110:3f01:face:b00c:: Jun 04 16:22:42 but why maemo asks for that? Jun 04 16:22:55 do you have powerkernel? Jun 04 16:22:59 yep Jun 04 16:23:06 because they knew Pali will implement IPv6 in KP :) Jun 04 16:23:10 well, here is your answer Jun 04 16:23:25 use normal ipv4 only kernel Jun 04 16:23:36 jacekowski, doesn't sound like solution Jun 04 16:23:43 ORLY? why the AFAIK those with stock kernel cannot use FB widget/uploader? Jun 04 16:23:52 "don't want ,Your car to crash, use bicycle" Jun 04 16:24:05 well, you would need working ipv6 userland Jun 04 16:24:13 jacekowski, it tries to resolve api.facebook.com Jun 04 16:24:30 root@jacekowski:/etc# host api.facebook.com Jun 04 16:24:30 api.facebook.com has address 69.171.228.75 Jun 04 16:24:30 api.facebook.com has address 69.171.234.22 Jun 04 16:24:30 api.facebook.com has IPv6 address 2a03:2880:10:8f01:face:b00c:0:26 Jun 04 16:24:30 all normal programs use ipv4 until connected to ipv6 Jun 04 16:24:32 while www.facebook.com opens pretty well in browaser Jun 04 16:24:54 Estel_: not really Jun 04 16:24:59 Estel_: wget preffers ipv6 Jun 04 16:25:06 mine doesn't ;) Jun 04 16:25:08 Estel_: and it depends on settings in gai.conf Jun 04 16:25:18 no problem in using it with KP here Jun 04 16:25:28 and I have't messed with gai.conf Jun 04 16:25:30 freemangordon: Tmobil = ipv4, TW = ipv6. Wonder if thats why the old system still works for me? Just a though. Jun 04 16:25:36 jacekowski, there is no gai.conf here Jun 04 16:25:50 Woody14619, yeah, seems like Jun 04 16:26:13 freemangordon: that's because n900 userland isn't ipv6 ready Jun 04 16:26:14 I have good idea, lets remove facebook alltogether from N900, then pray it's corpse using Monks of Stallman, and burn it in vulcano Jun 04 16:26:24 never enough careful when dealing with toxic blobs Jun 04 16:27:22 jacekowski: the problem as I see it, is that someone for some reason asks for IPv6 address. And that someone is eithr libcurl or some closed nokia binary Jun 04 16:27:43 libcurl got updated lately in devel, many times Jun 04 16:27:49 new version every few days Jun 04 16:28:06 some unknown guy posting it - works fine, at least considering "normal" usage Jun 04 16:28:09 may be related? Jun 04 16:28:30 freemangordon: it's configured with gai.conf Jun 04 16:28:31 Estel_, NFC, but I don't think I am using the latest libcurl Jun 04 16:28:39 freemangordon: it you don't have gai.conf it will use some defaults Jun 04 16:28:56 so create one with preference set to v4 Jun 04 16:29:09 jacekowski, ok. going to try Jun 04 16:38:25 jacekowski: adding "precedence ::ffff:0:0/96 100" to /etc/gai.conf does not help Jun 04 16:40:47 i am looking for help re mschapv2 authentication in maemo 5 on n900 Jun 04 16:42:37 can anyone help me w mschapv2 on n900? Jun 04 16:42:57 no idea what it is Jun 04 16:43:31 i see javispedro just quit a few minutes ago... did he say when he'd be back? Jun 04 16:54:16 wondering if any of libqt-bearer-hotfix or libqt-mobility fix the mschapv2 problem... anyone? Jun 04 16:57:01 Estel_, another bug for X-Fade: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12581 Jun 04 16:57:02 04Bug 12581: Not possible to browse history of Developer forum Jun 04 16:58:52 Estel_, and do you have some new info about https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12415 ? Jun 04 16:58:53 04Bug 12415: Missing source code of osso-backup Jun 04 17:00:09 jacekowski, hi, did you find something about nolo? Jun 04 17:02:16 Pali, as for osso-backup, not yet Jun 04 17:02:28 ok Jun 04 17:02:32 will buggy qgil again Jun 04 17:12:50 Estel_, what is your libcurl version? Jun 04 17:13:35 7-25-0.1maemo7 Jun 04 17:13:49 and you cannot use FB too? Jun 04 17:14:44 Estel_ ^^^ Jun 04 17:15:01 no idea, don't have fb account, never tried it Jun 04 17:15:09 aaah, damn Jun 04 17:15:15 wasn't ever aware about fb plugin on N900 ;) Jun 04 17:15:22 until You started RE it Jun 04 17:15:27 :D Jun 04 17:47:57 Yea! Jun 04 17:48:07 Finally, set up dircproxy on my wrt54GL :) Jun 04 17:48:51 ]I did sd car dmod properly, although, it doesn't work with 2.6 kernel - it could, if i would spend another few days in debugging what gpio are use dby 2.6 and FOSS RE of broadcom drivers, and were not in 2.4... Jun 04 17:49:13 But, after all, OpenWRT, even with kernel 2.6, allow to install dirc and still have plenty of room - almsot 500 kb :) left in jffs2 Jun 04 17:49:24 finally could use that dircproxy is 60 kb, lol Jun 04 17:49:45 = full fledged proxy bounder on own 12V 300 mA router :D Jun 04 17:55:01 the legendary wrt54gl :D Jun 04 18:02:52 Estel_: my WZR has 19 MB free :P Jun 04 18:03:15 but it cost triple as much, or more :p Jun 04 18:03:37 Now I just need to find how to activate this sd card and will have 2GB free :P Jun 04 18:04:09 seems like weifi drivers is occupying gpio for diodes, and don't want to gtfo from them Jun 04 18:04:35 card is recognized probperly, but diodes flash as usual, which would explain why card doesn't work - jammed by diode's signals Jun 04 18:05:13 oooooooo Jun 04 18:14:13 jacekowski: I do not have ipv6 kernel and have the FB widget/upload problem Jun 04 18:16:16 cbeau: what problem are you talking about? Jun 04 18:17:23 chem|st, yeah, I was trying to explain the same think :D. But as usual - "aah, you have KP installed, there it is" :( Jun 04 18:18:25 grml Jun 04 18:19:13 and estel talking to himself about whatever... Jun 04 18:20:13 chem|st, if that was meant to be another argumentum ad persona, it was poor, You're capable of doing better ;) Jun 04 18:34:22 chem|st it's related to mschapv2 not working on n900 Jun 04 18:36:16 has anyone ever been able to use mschapv2 successfully? Jun 04 18:37:10 It does not work for me and I think the issue is that the n900 doesn't communicate that it is using mschapv2 when it initiates the connection. Jun 04 18:37:43 you can check out my comment to bug 11743 at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11743 Jun 04 18:37:45 04Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/11743 Access Wifi network using PEAP+EAP MSCHAPv2 authentication Jun 04 18:37:46 04Bug 11743: Access Wifi network using PEAP+EAP MSCHAPv2 authentication Jun 04 18:38:16 povbot_: yeah, i know about this bug... I just posted a comment there Jun 04 18:38:16 cbeau: Error: "yeah," is not a valid command. Jun 04 18:39:33 anyone knows what software package on the n900 is responsible for communicating the inner tunnel type? Jun 04 18:42:08 cbeau: ICD maybe? Jun 04 18:42:09 hi there. is it possible to get a all list of all currently running apps that have a gui (like the code here http://pastebin.com/ukVB7H74 , unfortunately there doesn't seem to be a wnck-module for maemo) Jun 04 18:42:10 I dunno Jun 04 18:42:17 If not where is the written statement from Nokia stating that? Jun 04 18:42:17 http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/mae...il/005031.html Jun 04 18:42:17 Quote & Reply | Jun 04 18:42:26 oops, wrong xterm. Jun 04 18:42:34 is it libicd-network-wlan or libicd-network-eap or osso-wlan(-security) or something...? Jun 04 18:43:02 vi_: I wish there was a way to know for sure. Jun 04 19:18:14 is there a wnck python module for maemo? Jun 04 19:34:30 cbeau: it does not autoconnect if you mean that... EAP TTLS MSCHAPv2 works... Jun 04 19:34:59 it is peap then? Jun 04 19:37:51 What's the latest Linux kernel supported? Jun 04 19:38:11 I think the default one comes with free remote expoits. Jun 04 19:38:44 chem|ist: it is peap mschapv2 that I am trying and it doesn't work. As per my post for bug #11743, the issues appears to be that n900 does not communicate that it is using mschapv2 as inner tunnel. Jun 04 19:38:45 04Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/11743 Access Wifi network using PEAP+EAP MSCHAPv2 authentication Jun 04 19:39:36 chem|ist: so not ttls Jun 04 19:40:54 jacekowski: You may want to check FB issue development on #maemo-ssu Jun 04 19:41:13 does CSSU has a FB client or something? Jun 04 19:47:08 how can one get a all list of all currently running apps that have a gui (like the code here http://pastebin.com/ukVB7H74) Jun 04 19:50:20 Sc0rpius: you do not need a client... you need the sharing plugin and the widget-api Jun 04 19:51:24 Sc0rpius: there is sociality... needs some polishing but is working Jun 04 19:55:22 chem|st what version of libcurl3 do you have? Jun 04 19:56:20 7.18-2-8maemo6+0m5 Jun 04 19:56:57 Please try to update using extras-devel. Jun 04 19:57:08 It helps freemangordon with FB problem. Jun 04 19:57:23 luf: should I join u guys in cssu? Jun 04 19:58:28 I see no reason why you can't (if you mean irc). Otherwise I'm not member of cssu yet ;) Jun 04 19:58:55 luf: what you mean with helping freeman with? Jun 04 19:59:09 chem|st: Try to update just libcurl from extras-devel. Not cssu itself ;-) Jun 04 19:59:31 chem|st: Let's look the #mameo-ssu log Jun 04 20:00:32 luf: please talk a bit more what you are trying to achieve Jun 04 20:00:59 updating... Jun 04 20:01:06 chem|st: freemangordon updated libcurl3 to the one from extras-testing and FB works for himnow. Jun 04 20:01:36 ehrm why do I need to install from devel then? Jun 04 20:01:54 freemangordon: extras-devel or extras-testing? Jun 04 20:02:04 Sorry my mistake :) But it's the same version in both. Jun 04 20:02:18 chem|st: let's try extras-testing. Jun 04 20:02:21 I am on testing always... Jun 04 20:02:38 gmrl update takes freaking long Jun 04 20:02:48 chem|st, sorry, stupid XP rebooted out of the blue Jun 04 20:02:54 lol Jun 04 20:03:23 I'll check again but there should be 7.25.0-1maemo7 in testing as well as in devel. Jun 04 20:03:27 chem|st, i've installed libcurl from extras-devel, but as luf said, it should be the same in extras-testing Jun 04 20:03:50 both photo uploader and widget work Jun 04 20:04:16 sharing account setup works too Jun 04 20:05:14 apt-worker is blocking me, hold on Jun 04 20:05:35 do apt-get install libcurl3 Jun 04 20:05:49 "apt-worker is blocking me, hold on" Jun 04 20:06:01 something wrong with packaging maybe, i had the same problem Jun 04 20:06:37 chem|st, i did apt-get install libcurl3 and it went fine Jun 04 20:06:40 no if I setup a new repo it updates for ages... Jun 04 20:06:48 upgraded Jun 04 20:07:03 maybe it depends on stuff only in -devel Jun 04 20:07:06 NFC Jun 04 20:07:13 testing upload Jun 04 20:08:21 it loads Jun 04 20:08:33 loads? iploads? Jun 04 20:08:36 *uploads? Jun 04 20:09:01 nice Jun 04 20:09:12 yes upload works Jun 04 20:09:26 was it that ipv6 crap? Jun 04 20:09:41 freemangordon: ok, it seems you're right. Just change in curl. Jun 04 20:10:19 chem|st, it is that ipv6 crap triggering some bug in stock libcurl Jun 04 20:10:19 No idea. Jun 04 20:10:30 ^^^ Jun 04 20:10:42 lol Jun 04 20:11:15 ok nice one, whoever found out post it on tmo! you deserve the thanks! Jun 04 20:11:17 chem|st: it's possible that new libcurl should have some side effect. Jun 04 20:11:31 luf: what kind Jun 04 20:11:37 I see noone. Jun 04 20:11:46 chem|st:I already made the post ;) Jun 04 20:11:47 ok I check all my upload clients Jun 04 20:11:53 chem|st: but it's new version ... Jun 04 20:12:16 hehe Jun 04 20:12:37 chem|st: ;) Jun 04 20:13:21 luf: that is why CSSU have several repos: -devel -testing -stable Jun 04 20:14:26 aah, the poor guinea pig :P Jun 04 20:14:27 freemangordon: I know but it seems it's not wide tested ... Jun 04 20:14:47 luf, that is why the first repo it will enter will be -devel Jun 04 20:15:05 after a couple of weeks if there are no regressions it will enter -testing Jun 04 20:15:19 freemangordon: It's for one month in -testing ... Jun 04 20:15:27 in a month or so, if still there are no regressions it will enter -stable Jun 04 20:15:37 luf: CSSU-testing Jun 04 20:15:48 nad CSSU-devel Jun 04 20:15:50 *and Jun 04 20:16:38 luf: you'd better think in terms of repos starting with cssu- if you gonna be a part of the CSSU team :P Jun 04 20:16:38 freemangordon: it should be same with extras-* Jun 04 20:16:49 lu: no, it is differen Jun 04 20:16:50 freemangordon: :D Jun 04 20:29:13 I love that qgil still has that silly fake eyeballs avatar. Jun 04 21:15:03 anyone in who knows anything about PEAP-mschapv2 on n900? Jun 04 21:16:18 I'd totally try cssu if it had a patch for PEAP-mschapv2 Jun 04 21:47:18 that's for PPTP? Jun 04 22:01:14 just watched prometheus. Jun 04 22:01:25 wtf was that all about? Jun 04 22:02:18 merlin1991, feedservice-plugin-fb-common FOSS replacement works like a charm. Please discuss with mag how to deal with API key/secret key. My opinion is that we should publish that as it is (i.e. cleartext secrets), after all the accounts are password protected Jun 04 22:44:13 hi council member Jun 04 22:48:58 hmm? Jun 04 22:50:00 nm Jun 04 22:50:02 wxWidgets: did anyone have a situation of not responsive touchscreen when using those? Jun 04 22:51:16 or in a different approach: wxWidgets <- did anybody use those effectively??? Jun 04 23:17:55 szopin, hi Jun 04 23:18:06 what the hell is wxWidgets? Jun 05 01:45:41 anyone knows anything about PEAP-mschapv2 ? Jun 05 02:12:34 damn I can't seem to update a notification. Jun 05 02:12:51 notify_notification_update + notity_notification_show don't work AT ALL Jun 05 02:13:12 I wish conversations were open to read how they did it :( it's the only application I know of that updates notification correctly **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jun 05 02:59:57 2012