**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jun 06 02:59:58 2012
Jun 06 03:10:32 <cuppsy> Evening everyone. So I'm an asshole and somehow tried to change /bin/sh to /bin/bash for my user. Upon rebooting, I seemed to have borked my N900. When trying to reflash it, it just keeps telling me "device or resource busy." I've read the wiki, and nothing there gets me past the busy error.
Jun 06 03:10:52 <cuppsy> The phone has/had u-boot, if that makes a difference (I tried MeeGo at one point). Beyond that, it's basically stock.
Jun 06 03:11:05 <cuppsy> Any advice on how to get this thing back to stock?
Jun 06 03:11:15 <cuppsy> Or change back to /bin/sh so it'll boot?
Jun 06 03:11:41 <Estel_> Hurrian, so it should work without any problems via USB networking
Jun 06 03:12:12 <Estel_> even with 20 and 30 fps
Jun 06 03:12:29 <Estel_> honestly, should work reliably over WiFi with 10 FPS (with good connection)
Jun 06 03:13:11 <Hurrian> Estel_, indeed
Jun 06 03:13:18 <Estel_> would be killer feature
Jun 06 03:13:33 <Estel_> now we just need to tease our overprojected KP team to look at tv-out module :P
Jun 06 03:13:44 <Estel_> ~striptease
Jun 06 03:13:45 <infobot> Hoogah Hoogah wah wah *takes of the box* *dances around showing of the cpu and memory* Ah yeah you likey my little HD no?
Jun 06 03:14:15 * Hurrian rages at circular gcc -> glibc -> gcc dependency
Jun 06 03:14:42 <cuppsy> Wow... just... ignore everything I wrote up above. I am the world's biggest asshole. I held N instead of U, and it worked. Eff me. My apologies for wasting everyone's time.
Jun 06 03:19:07 <Estel_> cuppsy, now worrries, "oh shit!" moments happen to everyone :)
Jun 06 03:20:32 <Hurrian> Estel_, ever had a moment where you were trying to build something but dependencies were circular?
Jun 06 03:20:35 <cuppsy> Estel: It's weird. I said that, and it flashed the Combined file... but stick got stuck at the five whtie dots. I tried to flash the EMMC, and is gave me the "device is busy" again.
Jun 06 03:20:38 <cuppsy> :(
Jun 06 03:20:49 <Estel_> hm
Jun 06 03:20:57 <Estel_> Hurrian, what do You mean exactly? :D
Jun 06 03:21:12 <Estel_> your package depends on b, b depends on a, and a depend son your package?:D
Jun 06 03:21:39 <Estel_> impossible situation, until someone screwed dependencies
Jun 06 03:21:54 <Estel_> cuppsy, would like to help, but I haven't used U-boot yet
Jun 06 03:22:04 <Hurrian> Estel_, archppc devs seem to have packaged glibc without a header file. trying to build glibc = need to remake gcc with tls. new gcc build depends on glibc for that header file.
Jun 06 03:22:20 <cuppsy> Estel_ I'm thinking trying U-boot was a bad idea. Seems to be making flashing a bitch.
Jun 06 03:22:35 <Estel_> Hurrian, submit bug to archppc devs
Jun 06 03:22:46 <Hurrian> Estel_, i'm pretty sure the main dev is MIA
Jun 06 03:22:53 <Estel_> cuppsy, in fact no, it's just not as much "tutorialed" as multiboot or bootmenu
Jun 06 03:23:12 <Estel_> Hurrian, coudl You fix it yourself and upload new version?
Jun 06 03:23:15 <Hurrian> repositories are almost empty, only core and extra and complete
Jun 06 03:23:27 <Hurrian> Estel_, I'm working on rebuilding EVERYTHING from latest Arch pkgbuilds
Jun 06 03:23:34 <Hurrian> since everything is old by now
Jun 06 03:23:35 <Estel_> yea
Jun 06 03:23:50 <Estel_> would need to fix this glibc without header
Jun 06 03:23:52 <Hurrian> problem is, it's slightly irritating as I'm building native on PS3
Jun 06 03:23:58 <Estel_> :D
Jun 06 03:24:52 <Hurrian> **** this, I'm setting up cross-compiler
Jun 06 03:30:43 <Hurrian> everything'll be rebuilt for ppc64 architecture
Jun 06 03:37:40 <ZogG_laptop> celebs here on chan =)
Jun 06 03:45:05 <Estel_> ZogG_laptop, what are You celebrating? :)
Jun 06 03:47:48 <ZogG_laptop> after n900 death i'm here once in half year and mostly on harmattan chan, so not used to see that a lot people talking =)
Jun 06 03:48:04 <ZogG_laptop> and you and Hurrian are not enuf for celebs?
Jun 06 03:52:26 <ZogG_laptop> lol
Jun 06 03:52:44 <ZogG_laptop> i was spoking with you while you was off
Jun 06 03:53:21 <ZogG_laptop> doen't matter. need to go to sleep ☺
Jun 06 04:05:26 <Estel_> good night ZogG :)
Jun 06 04:05:48 <Estel_> ZogG_laptop, actually. well, I'm just cooking fun things on my wrt54GL
Jun 06 04:05:53 <Estel_> so, sometimes, I reboot router
Jun 06 04:06:06 <Estel_> normally, i'm available 24/7 :)
Jun 06 04:06:31 <Estel_> (of course, I mean only my presence on I$RC - I may be away, actually, but I do read logs after returning)
Jun 06 04:06:50 <Estel_> so feel free to write to me, especially using my name - this way, I have Your message highlighted
Jun 06 04:36:44 <Sc0rpius> :/
Jun 06 05:07:51 <Sc0rpius> tmo down?
Jun 06 05:14:33 <Estel_> Sc0rpius, no, why?
Jun 06 05:26:49 <Sc0rpius> it was down for a while
Jun 06 05:26:50 <Sc0rpius> it's up again.
Jun 06 08:49:52 <jacekowski> where is pali
Jun 06 08:49:57 <jacekowski> infobot: seen pali
Jun 06 08:49:58 <infobot> pali <~pali@unaffiliated/pali> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 9h 25m 1s ago, saying: 'nox-, thanks for non flash link!'.
Jun 06 10:09:00 <teotwaki> I can't by my 114wpm record :(
Jun 06 10:09:05 <teotwaki> s/by/beat/
Jun 06 10:09:05 <infobot> teotwaki meant: I can't beat my 114wpm record :(
Jun 06 10:12:05 <Hurrian> teotwaki, new keyboard?
Jun 06 10:12:18 <teotwaki> Hurrian: yes
Jun 06 10:25:17 <SpeedEvil> 114wpm on n900?
Jun 06 10:25:22 <SpeedEvil> Your poor thumbs
Jun 06 10:25:27 <teotwaki> haha
Jun 06 10:25:55 <SpeedEvil> I got to about 35, after using it for IRC for a week when my laptop died
Jun 06 10:34:27 <teotwaki> I'm so tired of my job
Jun 06 10:34:41 <teotwaki> I've actually spent the morning battling to try and get a unit test to compile.
Jun 06 10:34:46 <teotwaki> And failed.
Jun 06 10:35:18 <teotwaki> Fucking conditional compilation -- even I were to get the damn thing to compile, it'd be near void considering it's... conditional compilation, so the unit test doesn't get the same code compiled in as other parts of the system.
Jun 06 10:35:28 <teotwaki> Fucking stupid piece of ass shit software.
Jun 06 10:45:10 <vi__> teotwaki: I agree.
Jun 06 11:13:11 <Estel_> teotwaki, don't get so 1337 with WPM speed, or you'll end up like secretary from Chiswick, 220 WPM (Dr. who pun intended)
Jun 06 11:34:45 <Estel_> hah, installed aircrack-ng and friends on my wrt54GL... 250mW output + two quite big antennas, + possibility to power it with DC from 5 to ~17V = can use external battery pack to power it... In concjuction with N900 (using usb-ethernet adapter, to connect to WRT54GL and SSH), it creates quite awesome wardriving machine...
Jun 06 11:34:59 <Estel_> still lightweight, and very portable
Jun 06 11:35:55 <Estel_> ...And who needs those expensive mobile wardriving tools? WRT54GL, if took out from case (which got *plentry* of room for mods), is roughly size of 2 N900's, + antennas
Jun 06 11:36:23 <Estel_> could prepare custom cover for it, and do photos when it works in tandem with N900 :)
Jun 06 12:10:28 <kwtm> darn, setting the device name under Bluetooth Settings will change the $HOSTNAME but not $(uname -n)
Jun 06 12:13:53 <Hurrian> kwtm, reboot?
Jun 06 12:15:01 <Hurrian> oh, wait, it needs to be changed in /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname
Jun 06 12:34:55 <DocScrutinizer51> only hostname
Jun 06 12:35:13 <DocScrutinizer51> ~jrtools
Jun 06 12:35:14 <infobot> i guess jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools
Jun 06 12:39:51 <DocScrutinizer51> I'm not sure if you need a link from real local hostname back to 'localhost' in your etc/hosts. I never missed it so far
Jun 06 13:15:03 <kwtm> DocScrutinizer51, Hurrian: Thx for info.
Jun 06 13:57:53 <DocScrutinizer51> YW
Jun 06 14:13:42 <DocScrutinizer51> damn 2G is nice to battery but disconnects during phonecalls (though that's carrier's fault, as the modem would know to do concurrent data and voice via 2G)
Jun 06 14:14:37 <DocScrutinizer51> switching to 3G on inbound Call is no option either as it for sure rejects the inbound pending call
Jun 06 14:35:09 <Hurrian> DocScrutinizer, 2G battery life on the N900 is good?
Jun 06 14:35:30 <Hurrian> 4 days of almost idle gets from 100% to 15%
Jun 06 14:35:44 <Hurrian> i'd hate to imagine battery life on constant 3G
Jun 06 14:38:13 <SpeedEvil> Hurrian: It's similar.
Jun 06 14:38:21 <SpeedEvil> Hurrian: In areas of good signal.
Jun 06 14:44:28 <s2r2> Hello.  I've spent quite some time today trying to get into the university's eduroam network.  Using wpa_supplicant, I've been able to do it, but it need a "peaplabel=0" config line; I have not yet found any way to set something similar with Maemo... Any ideas?
Jun 06 14:44:54 <s2r2> (It's not PAP-related, "my" eduroam home net uses PEAP/MSCHAPv2
Jun 06 14:46:04 <[DarkGUNMAN]> afternoon
Jun 06 14:46:18 <Hurrian> maemo doesn't use wpa supplicant, it uses some different shit Nokia made
Jun 06 14:47:08 <s2r2> Hurrian: Indeed. ... Is there any complete documentation (or am I just lost if the GUI doesn't offer anything useful to this issue)?
Jun 06 14:47:28 <Hurrian> you /could/ disable icd2 for when you're at uni, and manually use wpa_supplicant etc for eduroam
Jun 06 14:48:01 <s2r2> Hurrian: this sounds interesting.  I didn't know I could use wpa_sup on it.
Jun 06 14:48:12 <Hurrian> no idea how to stop icd2, it's rooted pretty firmly into maemo
Jun 06 14:48:13 <[DarkGUNMAN]> is there any way to find out if a process launched osso-connectivity-ui-conndlgs ?
Jun 06 14:48:25 <s2r2> completely switching to wpa_supp is not...uhm...advisable/possible?
Jun 06 14:48:55 <Hurrian> s2r2, iirc cordia people (read: smoku) was using networkmanager (frontend for wpa_supplicant) in Hildon-desktop
Jun 06 14:49:04 <[DarkGUNMAN]> still trying to find which process is trying to connect to internet by ietself
Jun 06 14:49:06 <Hurrian> he may have some info about backporting it to maemo
Jun 06 14:49:35 <s2r2> Hurrian: interesting.   I could switch to cordia, but I didn't have the impression that the n900 was a target
Jun 06 14:50:03 <Hurrian> the applet is still missing btw, if you wanted to install it on Nemo
Jun 06 14:50:09 <s2r2> How about Mer?  They probably use wpa_supp, too.... might just give it another try.
Jun 06 14:50:13 <s2r2> yes, Nemo, sorry.
Jun 06 14:50:34 <Hurrian> s2r2, also an option, but iirc the wifi connection dialog in Settings doesn't have advanced options
Jun 06 14:50:44 <Hurrian> you're going to have to make do with terminal commands
Jun 06 14:51:13 <s2r2> That's even better, I got the working configuration on the laptop anyways. :)
Jun 06 14:51:23 <SpeedEvil> 'You need a _green_ speaker!
Jun 06 14:51:25 <s2r2> thanks.  That's a good reason to give Nemo another try.  Hadn't thought of it.
Jun 06 14:51:29 <SpeedEvil> oop
Jun 06 14:51:34 <StyXman> gpg --list-secret-keys
Jun 06 14:51:37 <s2r2> nice password
Jun 06 14:51:59 <[DarkGUNMAN]> There is an N900 image of cordia available to test
Jun 06 14:52:21 <Hurrian> [DarkGUNMAN], the cordia stack is still incomplete
Jun 06 14:52:43 <Hurrian> it's got less packages than the M5 x86 SDK, which is a feat in itself to make hildon run totally bare
Jun 06 14:52:53 <StyXman> s2r2: two screens :)
Jun 06 15:40:26 <maemobot> SpeedEvil, if You get so much draw on 2G, something is wrong, either with Your signal quality, or something is sucking power on device
Jun 06 15:41:28 <Estel_> my device sleeps in C4 mdoe for up to 97% of time, with 2G enabled
Jun 06 15:41:38 <Estel_> (92%-97%)
Jun 06 15:41:52 <Estel_> and, power usage is 4-7 mAh
Jun 06 15:41:58 <Estel_> mA/h
Jun 06 15:42:00 <Estel_> actually
Jun 06 15:42:08 <Estel_> of course, while idle
Jun 06 15:42:23 <Estel_> I would suggest You, to do powertop tests, SpeedEvil
Jun 06 15:42:52 <Estel_> or test pwoer usage via bnf (bq27200.sh 5 will give you higher result, as script itself is using 10-15 mA/h)
Jun 06 15:43:33 <Estel_> I'm starting fun side project - nothing revolutionary, just something for fun and that I'ven't made before - renevable energy pack for N900
Jun 06 15:43:51 <Estel_> consisting of modular solar panels and small wind turbine
Jun 06 15:44:59 <Estel_> my aims are to recreate current given by wall charger in full soon and light wind (or strong wind and medium sun)
Jun 06 15:46:02 <Estel_> solar panels will be connected via elastic parts,mm allowing it to be small'n'portable to carry, and quite big after "deploying", with wind module on the middle
Jun 06 15:46:43 <Estel_> theoretically, heat dissicipation from black panels beneath should be enough to barely move ultra-light wind turbine, but of course, real wind make it create one
Jun 06 15:46:48 <Estel_> s/one/more/
Jun 06 15:46:49 <infobot> Estel_ meant: theoretically, heat dissicipation from black panels beneath should be enough to barely move ultra-light wind turbine, but of course, real wind make it create more
Jun 06 15:46:56 * Estel_ is curious, how it will turn out
Jun 06 15:48:03 <Estel_> I still wonder, how to handle charging - using N900 charging circut to charge batteries instead make us one circuiot less (LiIon charger), OTOH, dedicated charging circuit would make it not lsoe any exceeding energy during strong sun and heavy wind
Jun 06 15:48:37 <Estel_> On the third :P hand, using dedicated charging circuit = losses on transfer to batteries, and then, from batteries, into 5V to charge N900 via port, again...
Jun 06 15:49:02 <Estel_> ...unless backup batteries are usually dual-bl5J type.
Jun 06 15:50:21 <Estel_> aim of the project - being ultra light and small while *not* deployed, allowing to carry it everywhere, + modular "deploy" lvl, allowing, for example, to clip it into backpack (not deploying all solar modules), or on tent, or just on grass/ground
Jun 06 15:50:30 <Estel_> boat deck, etc
Jun 06 16:05:27 <SpeedEvil> Estel_: It varies with location. 3 does not - here - cause much extra battery use.
Jun 06 16:06:01 <SpeedEvil> For it idle.
Jun 06 16:06:39 <Estel_> strange, as 2G is - per design - less energy-hungry
Jun 06 16:07:03 <SpeedEvil> This is largely true when the modem is active..
Jun 06 16:07:03 <Estel_> of course, You're probably having little worse - than usual -signal
Jun 06 16:07:10 <SpeedEvil> Umm - no.
Jun 06 16:07:19 <SpeedEvil> The tests I did were with quite good signal.
Jun 06 16:07:27 <SpeedEvil> Power consumption will go up with poor signal.
Jun 06 16:07:56 <Estel_> well, 4 days i ~80h
Jun 06 16:08:05 <Estel_> ~80*7
Jun 06 16:08:05 <infobot> 560
Jun 06 16:08:09 <SpeedEvil> So what?
Jun 06 16:08:20 <SpeedEvil> I've seen ~6 days on 2G
Jun 06 16:08:21 <Estel_> it's ~half standard battery
Jun 06 16:08:46 <Estel_> so either something is eating Your power, or signal varies much for You.
Jun 06 16:08:47 <SpeedEvil> And I measured about half a milliamp difference between 2 and 3G
Jun 06 16:09:13 <rzs19> any idea why swappiness is ignored?
Jun 06 16:09:13 <Estel_> sounds reasonable
Jun 06 16:09:16 <SpeedEvil> 2G enabled was +2mA - 3G enabled was +2.5mA or so
Jun 06 16:09:21 <Estel_> rzs19, it isn't
Jun 06 16:09:33 <SpeedEvil> or rather 2g/3g forced
Jun 06 16:09:52 <SpeedEvil> So 1% of battery per day difference
Jun 06 16:09:54 <rzs19> Estel_: but its looks lik its ignored
Jun 06 16:10:29 <rzs19> perdefault, itsset to 100,, i set it to 0, or 10 and it still swapps. 50% are used
Jun 06 16:10:30 <Estel_> try setting 0 and enabling something very swap hungry, then try 100 and do it again
Jun 06 16:10:37 <Estel_> You will feel difference - painfuly
Jun 06 16:10:52 <Estel_> because it must swap ;)
Jun 06 16:11:00 <Estel_> see virtual memory assigned by programs
Jun 06 16:11:15 <Estel_> by default, virtual - not private - memory goes to swap first, until needed
Jun 06 16:11:23 <Estel_> 256 MB is too low for keeping it in memory
Jun 06 16:11:37 <Estel_> swapiness control tendency to swap at it's own
Jun 06 16:11:51 <Estel_> set it to 30 and don't care ;) or even 25
Jun 06 16:12:08 <Estel_> you will gain most benefits by moving swap to microSd card and disabling eMMC swap *totally*
Jun 06 16:12:17 <Estel_> + using correct swap-related settings for kernel
Jun 06 16:12:19 <rzs19> yeah i have played around with many values
Jun 06 16:13:47 <rzs19> i will move it to the microsd card. 
Jun 06 16:14:50 <rzs19> i love my n900 and i don't want a killed emmc flash memmory.
Jun 06 16:15:12 <rzs19> maybe, its the last ussable phone :P
Jun 06 16:18:53 <rzs19> maybe my fears about swap on flash os overexaggerated? ;)
Jun 06 16:19:09 <rzs19> sometimes, i wish, some devices could life for ever.
Jun 06 16:28:35 <Estel_> flash is quite active, so it adds to wear for sure - although, I'm talking about it for performance reasons
Jun 06 16:28:54 <Estel_> swap on eMMc generate I/O conflicts between it and /opt I/O's
Jun 06 16:32:21 <SpeedEvil> In principle you can monitot he badblocks on emmc
Jun 06 16:32:27 <SpeedEvil> which will give reasonble warning
Jun 06 16:38:28 <DocScrutinizer51> rzs19: that's why I recently ordered another 2 fesh ones
Jun 06 16:38:47 <DocScrutinizer51> as no device will live forever
Jun 06 16:39:08 <DocScrutinizer51> but havig some spare will mitigate that
Jun 06 17:49:32 <mase76> hi! does anybody know, if openmediaplayer reads the gain tagged with mp3gain?
Jun 06 18:40:25 <DocScrutinizer06> drive-by-asker?
Jun 06 18:40:57 <DocScrutinizer06> "bull's-eye, kick the throttle!"
Jun 06 20:07:59 <Atarii> anyone here sync their n900 with Google Contacts?
Jun 06 20:16:36 <int_ua> Atarii: that's an interesting question. Have you searched the forum? Please inform me if you find any info
Jun 06 20:20:48 <Atarii> int_ua it all worked fine until yesterday, now I get sync errors from MfE, just wondering it anyone else had it
Jun 06 20:29:03 <vi_> Atarii: nfc
Jun 06 20:29:27 <Atarii> nfc?
Jun 06 20:51:44 <Pali> jacekowski, hi
Jun 06 21:40:18 <vi_> why I cannot remove status are orientation applett without removing mp-fremantle-community-pr?
Jun 06 21:40:33 <vi_> What if I do not want the stupid status area applett??
Jun 06 21:44:49 <vi_> apt-get remove status-area-orientationlock-applet
Jun 06 21:44:50 <vi_> Reading package lists... Done
Jun 06 21:44:50 <vi_> Building dependency tree       
Jun 06 21:44:50 <vi_> Reading state information... Done
Jun 06 21:44:50 <vi_> The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: libcpaboutcssu
Jun 06 21:44:52 <vi_> Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them.
Jun 06 21:44:55 <vi_> The following packages will be REMOVED: mp-fremantle-community-pr status-area-orientationlock-applet
Jun 06 21:44:58 <vi_> WTF
Jun 06 21:46:00 <int_ua> vi_: mp-fremantle-community-pr is just a metapackage, IIRC
Jun 06 21:46:48 <vi_> so if I remove it no ill will occour?
Jun 06 21:47:05 <vi_> merlin1991: ping
Jun 06 21:48:03 <vi_> well
Jun 06 21:48:11 <vi_> I hope my n900 will not explode.
Jun 06 21:49:01 <MohammadAG> vi_, you could just remove the .desktop file for it
Jun 06 21:49:07 <MohammadAG> /usr/share/hildon-status-menu
Jun 06 21:49:10 <MohammadAG> err
Jun 06 21:49:13 <vi_> interesting...
Jun 06 21:49:15 <MohammadAG> /usr/share/applications/hildon-status-menu
Jun 06 21:49:29 <vi_> although I have just apt-got it away.
Jun 06 21:49:42 <vi_> TY for your advice none the less.
Jun 06 21:51:01 <MohammadAG> np house
Jun 06 21:51:27 <vi_> house?
Jun 06 21:52:17 <MohammadAG> you're the one with the weird community awards application :p
Jun 06 21:52:31 <vi_> It was supposed to be funny.
Jun 06 21:52:53 <freemangordon> it was :)
Jun 06 21:52:55 <vi_> The exact opposite of the whiny crap some people were coming out with.
Jun 06 21:52:57 <vi_> ty
Jun 06 21:53:09 <vi_> I await my n950.
Jun 06 21:57:21 <int_ua> what was the application mentioned?)
Jun 06 21:59:57 <int_ua> are there any apps like gcolor2? All sketch-like applications I have don't show hex color codes
Jun 06 22:01:08 <merlin1991> vi___: pong
Jun 06 22:23:56 <Atarii> finally fixed it, it was an IPv6 bug with Mail for Exchange! :(
Jun 06 22:24:26 <Atarii> Damn IPv6 day
Jun 06 22:24:40 <Atarii> if people have this issue again, please refer to here: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9943
Jun 06 22:24:41 <povbot_> 04Bug 9943: MfE Wizard fails if exchange server hostname has IPv4 and IPv6 addresses
Jun 06 22:25:53 <freemangordon> Atarii: could it be the same bug in libcurl3 which is causing FB widget / photo uploader to fail?
Jun 06 22:26:32 <Atarii> re the chat in #maemo-ssu?
Jun 06 22:26:37 <freemangordon> yep
Jun 06 22:27:06 <Atarii> possibly, try hardcoding a IPv4 IP into dnsmasq.conf
Jun 06 22:27:22 <ZogG> someone highlighted me?
Jun 06 22:28:17 <freemangordon> could you try to install libcurl3 from extras-devel (without DNS restrictions) and report. If it is affecting more applications, we could raise the priority (whatever it means)
Jun 06 22:28:29 <Atarii> ok
Jun 06 22:28:44 * freemangordon appologies for typos, he is really tired
Jun 06 22:28:50 <Atarii> what's the steps to reproduce? is there already  a bug report?
Jun 06 22:29:01 <freemangordon> don't think so
Jun 06 22:29:08 <freemangordon> step to reproduce?
Jun 06 22:29:12 <freemangordon> what?
Jun 06 22:29:20 <Atarii> to reproduce the problem
Jun 06 22:29:36 <freemangordon> with Mail for Exchange?
Jun 06 22:30:00 <Atarii> i thought the FB bug?
Jun 06 22:30:00 <freemangordon> Atarii: it is already confirmed that newer libcurl3 fixes FB
Jun 06 22:30:14 <freemangordon> My question was if it fixes your problem too
Jun 06 22:30:20 <Atarii> oh
Jun 06 22:30:26 <Atarii> i was already on the newest version
Jun 06 22:30:30 <Atarii> so i guess not
Jun 06 22:30:30 <freemangordon> (the newer libcurl3)
Jun 06 22:30:35 <freemangordon> from extras-devel?
Jun 06 22:30:35 <Atarii> let me check exact version string
Jun 06 22:30:52 <freemangordon> it was uploaded a week or so ago
Jun 06 22:31:29 <Atarii> i guess i must have that
Jun 06 22:31:39 <Atarii> extras-devel is enabled and no update available
Jun 06 22:32:05 <freemangordon> nah, give me the output from dpkg -l | grep libcurl3
Jun 06 22:32:47 <Atarii> 7.18.2-8maemo6+0m5
Jun 06 22:33:33 <freemangordon> nah, that is the old one
Jun 06 22:33:38 <Atarii> ah sorry
Jun 06 22:33:44 <freemangordon> do apt-get install libcurl3
Jun 06 22:34:02 <Atarii> yea it says on latest
Jun 06 22:34:05 <Atarii> let me check my repos
Jun 06 22:34:46 <Atarii> http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ - fremantle - free non-free ?
Jun 06 22:35:03 <freemangordon> Atarii: NFC why, but that is the stock version
Jun 06 22:35:31 <freemangordon> ii  libcurl3                                            7.25.0-1maemo7 
Jun 06 22:36:08 <freemangordon> anyway, gtg, will ask someone from cssu team to continue that
Jun 06 22:36:58 <Atarii> ok :)
Jun 06 22:37:18 <freemangordon> merlin1991, please ^^^
Jun 06 22:37:24 <freemangordon> bb
Jun 06 22:55:37 <Pali> some interesting NOLO log: http://pastebin.com/iXF2xcKd
Jun 06 22:56:07 <Pali> NOLO has debug console
Jun 06 22:57:05 <Pali> and also interesting is DEB package nolo_1.4.14.9+0m5_armel.deb and directory /usr/share/osso/boot/
Jun 06 22:57:40 <Pali> (deb package is from downloads.maemo.nokia.com)
Jun 06 22:58:01 <Pali> there are a lot of NOLO versions and one is working in qemu
Jun 06 22:58:09 <Pali> rx-51-s4.0-gp
Jun 06 23:02:18 <Pali> jacekowski, you can write me message if I'm online too (I will read it in irc log as your yesterday attempt to ping/catch me :)
Jun 06 23:14:38 <merlin1991> [   0.176]   �ber-cool backlight fade-in took 139 ms
Jun 06 23:14:40 <merlin1991> dat rofl
Jun 06 23:46:46 <DocScrutinizer06> old
Jun 06 23:47:34 <DocScrutinizer06> string /dev/mtd1|less
Jun 06 23:50:16 <DocScrutinizer06> anyway for sure more intriguing than to claim the optimum way to fix USB was soldering wires to testpoints under battery, as soldering components is allegedly too dangerous, but then suggesting to solder components to try and short choke to make ESD tranzorbs help protecting the PHY XP
Jun 06 23:52:18 <DocScrutinizer06> which will help as much against ESD as does connecting your water tubbing in your house to a wire burried under the house, for lightning surge
Jun 06 23:55:17 <DocScrutinizer06> s/mtd1/mtd0/.
Jun 07 00:57:53 <Hurrian> DocScrutinizer06, has anybody tested whether it was protected?
Jun 07 00:58:11 <SpeedEvil> It's inherently unprotected due to the design in that case.
Jun 07 00:58:13 <Hurrian> iirc someone blew a fuse on the testpoints, but not all of them have protections
Jun 07 00:58:26 <SpeedEvil> And you can't really test it.
Jun 07 00:58:55 <Hurrian> yeah, testing would yield one of two results: nothing, or it breaks
Jun 07 00:58:59 <SpeedEvil> It's like trying to test the safety of bike helmets by using real people.
Jun 07 01:26:38 <LaoLang_cool> Maemo keyboard is so limitation, no shortcuts to open menus/select items etc.
Jun 07 01:26:49 <LaoLang_cool> only for input text
Jun 07 01:26:53 <LaoLang_cool> :(
Jun 07 02:03:40 <Estel_> shorting choke in USB circuit isn't good idea, but, without doiung so, USB chip itself got 8,8 kV protecting diodes
Jun 07 02:03:56 <Estel_> so N900's main protecting circuit is in fact secondary one
Jun 07 02:04:28 <Estel_> of cours,e it's beter to have 2 lines of defense, but, for people with usb port broken beyond soldering to normal pads,. using testpads under battery seems to work flawlessly
Jun 07 02:05:25 <Estel_> It's more risky than overclocking - yes - but, considering fact, that DocScrutinizer is "whinning" against overclocking for years, and up to date, we don't have *any* single report of damage due to (sane) OC (or, in fact, we don't have report about any damage...)
Jun 07 02:06:01 <Estel_> ...I suspect, that people using testpads-USB for months without problems will benefit from it for years to come, and we will never ever hear about any fried USB chip, except, if someone's N900 get hit by lightning
Jun 07 02:06:08 <Estel_> ...in which case, tranzorbs wouldn't help too ;)
Jun 07 02:06:31 <Estel_> it just another case of zealot'ish ideology vs real life
Jun 07 02:20:46 <robbiethe1st> Next weekend, I'll try it myself if I can...
Jun 07 02:24:15 <pronto> http://weknowawesome.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/house-stark-tony.jpg   
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