**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jun 09 02:59:59 2012 Jun 09 04:44:41 I agree! Jun 09 07:57:40 hm, who updated qtcomponent-10? Jun 09 07:59:14 qt-components-10 appeared as new verwion in ectras devel, and isn't automaticaly pulled with CSSU Jun 09 07:59:37 same for qt-components-base-theme Jun 09 07:59:48 and iptables Jun 09 08:00:03 I'm quite afraid to update, as no changelog is available Jun 09 08:00:15 any ideas, who have pushed updates and why? Jun 09 09:06:26 Does the N900 have a Simlock? On the Net there are some that say, it has, and ones who say it doesnt Jun 09 11:06:26 Darkchaos: N900 *can have* a SIMlock Jun 09 11:07:05 you know, SIMlock is a measure done by operators on subsidized devices Jun 09 11:07:43 or, to put it that way: probably N900 *has* a SIMlock function, but it's usually not engaged Jun 09 11:08:03 microB is a microbe Jun 09 11:08:07 so shitty Jun 09 11:08:43 Well so the easiest way is to try it? Jun 09 11:08:45 load https://imo.im on it and try to type anything in the user/password boxes Jun 09 11:09:32 Mother of God, If i knew they won't repair my N900, I'd never sent it in. Impossible to send it back, Exchange for a E07-00 offered Jun 09 11:10:19 Darkchaos: insist in getting a N900, either repair/swap OR YOUR DAMN BROKEN ORIGINAL Jun 09 11:11:04 no way they have a right to snatch away your device, it's your property Jun 09 11:11:16 Well I even wrote to the Nokia Support Jun 09 11:11:25 sue them Jun 09 11:11:48 She said basically the devices get recycled. Jun 09 11:12:08 you've sent in a N900, you want back a N900, or you will charge them with all the expense for lawers and whatnot to get the issue solved on your own Jun 09 11:12:08 And If I tell them my IMEI Number she will tell me what happend exactly to the phone :D Jun 09 11:12:28 But how to get the IMEI if not on the Back of the device? Jun 09 11:12:55 fuck the imei, you have sent in a N900, I guess you can prove that Jun 09 11:13:11 visit a lawyer! Jun 09 11:13:18 that's plain robbery Jun 09 11:13:45 mh Jun 09 11:13:57 hmm, I might be able to log in imo.im using facebook, since it's a different login window Jun 09 11:13:58 wrt to imei, it's also on the box you bought the n900 in Jun 09 11:14:26 if they have damaged your original N900, they goddamn get you a replacement, another **N900** Jun 09 11:14:33 and _could_ be on the receipt as well Jun 09 11:15:10 DocScrutinizer05: what if they don't have any N900 around, but just N950s? Jun 09 11:15:26 :shrug: Jun 09 11:15:28 that's the only replacement I would accept Jun 09 11:15:39 what if they now deal with diamonds? Jun 09 11:16:30 or rubberboats Jun 09 11:16:38 or rubberboots Jun 09 11:16:47 I DON'T CARE Jun 09 11:17:19 when I send in a device for repair, it's still MY PROPERTY and nobody may recycle it or whatever Jun 09 11:18:20 damn you microB Jun 09 11:18:32 there we go, the facebook trick worked Jun 09 11:18:33 eddyb: we all heard it now Jun 09 11:20:05 * DocScrutinizer05 ponders sending in a used N900 just to open a case at court against Nokia Jun 09 11:20:29 well I got the exchange E7-00 this moment, If I thought about sueing them a few days sooner, I wouldn't have accepted. I Only did because that bitch said: "Even if you don't accept an exchange its impossible to get yours back". Now is there any chance of getting nitdroid running on a E7? My Plan was to resell the E7 as soon as it arrives and buy a used n900 Jun 09 11:20:46 but those priceses raised extremely the last months Jun 09 11:22:32 you might get used N900 for 150EUR up Jun 09 11:23:08 feabay always has some Jun 09 11:24:33 F U Nokia, for criminal customer support Jun 09 11:27:10 I honestly ponder doing exactly that, send them a N900 for repair, make damn sure I document and get witnesses for every action, and then sue them and also send in a notice of an offence Jun 09 11:27:18 Darkchaos, if you think about it, you maybe able to recuperate a very small portion of the cost by selling that rubbish E7 and using that money plus saving more to buy another second hand N900 Jun 09 11:27:54 psycho_oreos: that's not the point though Jun 09 11:27:56 I have a broken N900 here, I'm a little tempted to do that but its going to be fun to sue at international level Jun 09 11:28:17 DocScrutinizer05, I know I know.. but he has no choice now because he hadn't acted sooner Jun 09 11:28:37 well, here we got a lot of people with insurance for such cases Jun 09 11:29:12 (international level battle at court) Jun 09 11:29:24 yeah Jun 09 11:29:37 btw your primary opponent is your local Nokia representative who received the device Jun 09 11:30:31 I'd laugh if we started suing nokia and they wanted to buy the N900 back to prevent further onslaught Jun 09 11:30:34 100% agree Jun 09 11:30:39 even now, You can chnange Your mind Jun 09 11:30:45 yyou wans't informed well about Your rights Jun 09 11:30:57 so, you can send them E7 back, and demand N900 Jun 09 11:31:01 they can try that Jun 09 11:31:09 first of all, you would be surprised, how many unopened N900 they have stocked, if You push them hard enough Jun 09 11:31:18 psycho_oreos: Thats what I'm trying (selling the E7-00) Jun 09 11:31:21 but I don't have to accept such request Jun 09 11:31:40 Darkchaos, just demand Your device back Jun 09 11:31:54 here, sureprisingly, I agree with DocScrutinizer fully Jun 09 11:32:14 or really you can try what eddyb said, N950 as a replacement _if_ N900 is completely unavailable. There's no other related product to N900 other than the elusive N950 Jun 09 11:32:16 of course Yuo can sell that damn E7, but I'm 100% sure if You will be stubborn enough, you *can* get brand new N900 Jun 09 11:32:23 many people achieved it, even few weeks ago Jun 09 11:32:34 honestly guys, if everybody lets get away Nokia with this criminal behaviour, they will think they're doing the right thing. While otherwise they might reconsider their policy Jun 09 11:32:45 absolutely agree Jun 09 11:33:06 scrapping someone's property without permission is plain criminal action Jun 09 11:33:15 BTW Jun 09 11:33:28 Nokia should get contract for doing eutanasia - and call it "health care" Jun 09 11:33:35 N950 doesn't really qualify as a replacement for N900. Unless you can run mameo on it Jun 09 11:33:36 "Nokia health care" Jun 09 11:33:50 + no chances to get N950, rest assured Jun 09 11:34:06 The Problem is, first I have to get over the Online Shop who sold me the N900 Jun 09 11:34:14 for now I'm a little reluctant to hand in a spare working device for a POS E7 or even worse, N8. I'm temporarily holding onto my broken spare N900 in case my provider wants it back lol Jun 09 11:34:40 Estel_, they're still handing out N950, though no longer in large proportions Jun 09 11:34:46 so you can try to negotiate with them, but there's little on the argumentative side you can use to make them ggive you N950 instead of E7 Jun 09 11:34:49 it's funny, as in my country, only 10 people are required tyo do class lawsuit Jun 09 11:34:55 but the point is to prevent the from giving you a POS device Jun 09 11:34:59 psycho_oreos, but not as replacements for N900 Jun 09 11:35:11 they may still have some for "birthday presents" for relatives of R&D team ;) Jun 09 11:35:27 Estel_, I know but its to tell them you won't budge for a non-equivalent :) Jun 09 11:35:34 psycho_orexactly. Jun 09 11:35:40 psycho_oreos, rexactly* Jun 09 11:35:43 damn Jun 09 11:35:47 You know what I mean ;) Jun 09 11:35:50 more like happy `whatever' day instead of birthday Jun 09 11:36:06 psycho_oreos, I was reffering to one guy on TMO, who started topic... Jun 09 11:36:09 handing out N950 like as if they were freebie CDs Jun 09 11:36:17 about his N950, he dropped it and destroyed screen Jun 09 11:36:23 Estel_, ah Jun 09 11:36:41 the funniest thing is that he got his N950 as birthday present, from uncle who is R&D on Nokia somewhere Jun 09 11:36:58 or any other relative, whatever Jun 09 11:37:00 That's even more stupid. It wasn't my fault, It was the common usb-resolder problem Jun 09 11:37:02 though I'm sure there's plenty of N950 in stock somewhere Jun 09 11:37:14 and he whinne,d that usual developer way of replacing device won't work for him Jun 09 11:37:15 ... Jun 09 11:37:19 Darkchaos, and that problem is very common Jun 09 11:37:31 lol Jun 09 11:37:32 Darkchaos, You wil ldo what Yuo wan't, but I wouldn't allow them to go away with it Jun 09 11:37:36 they can put their E7 in *** Jun 09 11:37:58 BTW, even if You accepted it briefly - verbally, not via signing papers - You could just get legal advices and change mind Jun 09 11:38:03 Darkchaos, exactly how long has the E7 been in your possession now? Jun 09 11:38:08 after all, they destroyed Your device without permission, you were shocked ;) Jun 09 11:38:57 That's why im trying to directly write to Nokia, but In order to get it back, I need the IMEI :/. It is about 10 minutes in my possesion, and it's sealed. (I didn't even open the packaging) Jun 09 11:39:05 And I accepted via email Jun 09 11:39:53 Darkchaos, bullshit, you don't need any fckin imei Jun 09 11:40:08 well, but how should nokia find out which phone i sent in? Jun 09 11:40:11 Darkchaos, hmm some receipts should state IMEI　numbers, but that highly depends on shops Jun 09 11:40:14 You, basically, don't need to care, it's their responsibility. Jun 09 11:40:32 or at least a receipt for proof of purchase on N900 Jun 09 11:40:46 maybe proof of sending it to Nokia "care", lol Jun 09 11:41:18 hmm Jun 09 11:41:34 hey,. lets start contract with Nokia. We will accept any device they send us for repair, and repair it for 4$ each. the trick is, that we won't give them devices back, and require serial number of resistor mounter on any random place of device Jun 09 11:42:35 well the problem is that I didn't sent it in to Nokia, but the Shop did Jun 09 11:42:45 I let Nokia screw me over on this, only let them get away with it because my gf needed a new phone anyway so I bought a second hand N900. She got the E7 stolen not long after! Jun 09 11:44:14 Darkchaos, so demand it from sho Jun 09 11:44:16 shop* Jun 09 11:44:18 whatever. Jun 09 11:44:37 honestly, the sooner Nokia - as company - died, the better Jun 09 11:44:41 die* Jun 09 11:44:57 well,l maybe not before sending CA awards ;) Jun 09 11:45:01 and CC ones Jun 09 11:45:08 but autumn, why not. Jun 09 11:45:41 I should sue them, now, everywhere I see something mixed up with word "care" Jun 09 11:45:53 I see big red letters, saying oxy-moron Jun 09 11:46:33 o2Moron? Jun 09 11:46:56 hmm, maybe O₂Moron Jun 09 11:47:44 its actually O for Oxygen not O₂ Jun 09 11:48:47 woops, I take that back, wikipedia corrected me Jun 09 11:49:12 or maybe not, that's dioxygen for O₂ not O Jun 09 12:15:13 How to use filemaanger to open the root (/) Jun 09 12:15:43 You can't. Jun 09 12:15:51 use terminal or install filebox. Jun 09 12:16:40 psycho_oreos, well, oxygen in nature is found as O₂, msot of the times (unless bound with others) Jun 09 12:17:07 but, honestly, You're right Jun 09 12:17:27 Nokia Care is, in fact, oxydian of moron Jun 09 12:17:35 so )Moron, not O₂moron Jun 09 12:17:48 s/)moron/Omoron/ Jun 09 12:18:48 Estel_, ok Jun 09 12:18:50 * Estel_ starts chemistry experiments with "updating" nokia care to O4Moron, and make it fly away, as rocket fuel Jun 09 12:19:57 warning,. Doc'S says, that it's prone to self-ignition Jun 09 12:20:02 in filemanger, I can click a file, then filemanager will use a default app to open it, how filemanager know which app to open which file? If I'm on terminal, is there a way to do it as filemanger do? Jun 09 12:20:04 ...which would explain why Nokia is on fire Jun 09 12:20:28 LaoLang_cool, it's just know :P it's not controlled by filebox, but by maemo Jun 09 12:20:35 You can alter it by dbus-switchboard Jun 09 12:20:43 i.e. define Your own handlers Jun 09 12:20:47 X-refs Jun 09 12:20:51 URI handlers Jun 09 12:20:52 etc Jun 09 12:21:00 Estel_, oh, too advanced for me.. Jun 09 12:21:04 Thank you! Jun 09 12:21:08 no problem. Jun 09 13:51:28 Holy Fucking Shit Jun 09 13:51:31 Fuck Nokia Jun 09 13:52:11 I got an exchange E7 but guess what? It doesn't even have it's own package, It was packed in my N900 Packaging Jun 09 13:52:34 On top of that It is MY charger, not a new one etc Jun 09 13:53:06 Now I can't even sell this E7 to buy a new N900, because It has no value anymore Jun 09 13:53:12 no package, no manual even Jun 09 13:56:33 rotflmao Jun 09 13:56:42 Darkchaos, no comment, just don't let them get out with it Jun 09 13:57:00 protest, shout on them, or burnYourself before Nokia care shop and leave letter - whatever Jun 09 13:57:09 it's absolutely unbeliveable Jun 09 13:57:18 what the fuck, they've sent You stolen E7, or what? Jun 09 13:57:23 I just sent an Email to nokia Jun 09 13:57:44 but i believe it's http://eg-electronics.com/ Burn them down! Jun 09 13:58:45 Because along with my E7 I got a "bill" from another company g-support or how it was called, near to eg-electronics. Did Nokia outsource it's care center? Jun 09 14:01:03 There is no Emacs for the n900? Jun 09 14:01:07 WHAT!?! Jun 09 14:12:30 If I want gcc on the phone itself, I am doing it wrong? Jun 09 14:12:47 I.e., it's just cross-compile or die? Jun 09 14:13:14 Shit, I can only send in my phone to some authorized dealer not to nokia itself Jun 09 14:25:27 Are there parameters I could add to the .desktop file for Maemo5's X-terminal to make it open a new instance of the terminal instead of focusing on the existing one if one's already there? Jun 09 14:32:38 How can I start a CPU load widget? Jun 09 14:32:59 I tried some menu that said 'add widget', but it didn't show the CPU load widget I had installed earlier. Jun 09 15:31:35 hm does vi have search and replace? Jun 09 15:35:09 merlin1991: :s/search/replace/ Jun 09 15:35:17 thanks Jun 09 15:36:34 it will work on the current line only Jun 09 15:36:55 to apply on the whole file: :%s/search/replace/g Jun 09 16:14:07 So, what can I do with apmofo? Jun 09 16:14:25 There is a readme file, but it doesn't really tell me what the point is. Jun 09 16:14:57 I have seen some screenshots with some kind of tiles. Jun 09 16:15:11 What are those? Jun 09 16:17:38 E.g. like here: http://i49.tinypic.com/2i8y8ms.png Jun 09 16:25:02 Ok, I am transmitting to my radio now o.O. Jun 09 16:25:10 That's just so awesome. Jun 09 17:03:13 Which mp3/flac application do I want to use on n900? I would prefer to just ssh over some mp3/flac files and have it working. Jun 09 17:34:13 fasta: apmefo creates subfolders in applauncher Jun 09 17:34:59 the config gui is kinda clumsy, but after all you don't use that often Jun 09 17:35:40 don't drag icons in applauncher menu to 'sort' them, as this will ruin apmefo's setup Jun 09 17:36:00 sort icons *in* apmefo Jun 09 17:37:28 fasta: gcc on phone is best done in EasyDebian chroot, as installing it 'natively' to /bin etc will definitely kill your rootfs free space Jun 09 17:39:00 Raimu: (multiinstance xterm) good question, possibly there's a way, but I dunno off top of my head - check content of *.desktop Jun 09 17:42:22 ApMeFo is definitely one great app Jun 09 17:59:39 "my primary phone runs ..." http://slashdot.org/pollBooth.pl Jun 09 18:11:46 eeeew slashdot Jun 09 18:25:55 DocScrutinizer05: I can get about 4MB/s via ssh, indeed. Jun 09 18:28:26 fasta: yep, and then the CPU maxes out at 100% for decoding/encoding, no? Jun 09 18:29:41 I'd guess ssh is a rather unsuitable protocol to evaluate speed of physical interfaces, if that's what you're after Jun 09 18:30:00 DocScrutinizer05: it seems to wait for I/O most of the time. Jun 09 18:30:15 DocScrutinizer05: it only uses about 20% CPU or so. Jun 09 18:30:21 hmm Jun 09 18:30:36 DocScrutinizer05: but it's not really sustained, because it also runs other applications. Jun 09 18:31:06 DocScrutinizer05: or perhaps because it just switches song. Jun 09 18:31:14 and AIUI you haven't even used hostmode but rather connected N900 as gadget Jun 09 18:31:34 DocScrutinizer05: using pc suite mode Jun 09 18:31:51 DocScrutinizer05: I don't really get the whole mass-storage device functionality. Jun 09 18:32:17 Or well, I suppose it's useful if I am on some unknown computer. Jun 09 18:32:17 yay, ssh over IP over USB, on unclear/undetermined USB speed Jun 09 18:32:34 DocScrutinizer05: this wasn't really scientific. Jun 09 18:32:40 indeed Jun 09 18:32:44 DocScrutinizer05: it's just a data point. Jun 09 18:33:22 To do a real scientific measurement would require knowing the usb protocol, I suppose. Jun 09 18:33:35 actually a quite usefull datapoint as it's completely unrelated to the suspected bottleneck un H-E-N kernel patches Jun 09 18:33:39 And all kinds of other things which probably takes months to get good at. Jun 09 18:35:36 nonetheless IIRC the musb_hdrc.c mentions that isochronous mode and scheduling isn't really supported with this driver implementation Jun 09 18:35:58 all hail to super support from Mentorgraphics Jun 09 18:37:58 http://lxr.free-electrons.com/source/drivers/usb/musb/musb_core.c?a=mips#L70 Jun 09 18:40:07 http://lxr.free-electrons.com/source/drivers/usb/musb/musb_core.c?a=mips#L54 Jun 09 18:40:53 DocScrutinizer05: it seems the whole GUI crashed :/ Jun 09 18:41:15 hmmm? Jun 09 18:41:38 DocScrutinizer05: rsync ssh transfer still is running, but pressing a button doesn't get me a screen. Jun 09 18:41:43 device freeze? Jun 09 18:41:45 DocScrutinizer05: (on phone) Jun 09 18:42:06 yeah, commonly known as swap-hell Jun 09 18:42:31 it will recover eventually if you don't touch it for a few minutes or hours Jun 09 18:42:37 DocScrutinizer05: why would it swap? Jun 09 18:42:38 usually Jun 09 18:42:46 DocScrutinizer05: the files are <10MB. Jun 09 18:42:55 AIUI you copied some files Jun 09 18:43:20 it's a known though not yet completely understood effect Jun 09 18:44:44 some experts have rather educated guesses about what's going on, and it seems there are even workarounds that usually help avoiding this Jun 09 18:45:02 DocScrutinizer05: top shows 7.9% for the largest process. Jun 09 18:45:20 I cannot seem to be able to simply dump out all memory sizes to less. Jun 09 18:45:31 -cannot Jun 09 18:45:39 seem not* Jun 09 18:46:06 dmesg Jun 09 18:48:17 I think that driver code is not that good. Jun 09 18:48:39 1): it's one giant module. 2) not everything is commented Jun 09 18:48:57 3) it doesn't do everything optimally and makes excuses. Jun 09 18:49:27 RSS is a lie Jun 09 18:49:40 it neglects shared library duplicate mappings Jun 09 18:49:56 Well, I guess I just need a 80 core phone then. Jun 09 18:50:03 With 20 usb ports. Jun 09 18:50:03 http://www.selenic.com/smem/ Jun 09 18:50:11 - works well on n900 Jun 09 18:50:17 (the plot thingy doesn't) Jun 09 18:50:32 SpeedEvil: does mercurial work? Jun 09 18:54:18 Has somebody built smem into a binary that can be picked up somewhere? Jun 09 18:58:27 Python, right... *blushes* Jun 09 19:00:16 dang, I was sure I already downloaded it to IroN900 Jun 09 19:07:58 Raimu: yeah - the 'binary' in the tar works just fine Jun 09 19:10:00 Can I upgrade the kernel to the power kernel or is that a bad idea? Jun 09 19:10:33 I run latest stable CSSU. Jun 09 19:11:02 CSSU is kernel-independent. It runs with with or without power-kernel. Jun 09 19:11:08 -with Jun 09 19:11:26 Why doesn't CSSU also upgrade the kernel if that power kernel is superior in every way? Jun 09 19:11:39 Oh, now the can of worms is open. Jun 09 19:11:43 *chuckles* Jun 09 19:12:12 Currently it's against CSSU philosophy, since it comes with a lot more than just fixes for broken or buggy things. Jun 09 19:12:41 Raimu: so the kernel is not superior in every way? Jun 09 19:13:13 I didn't say that. It's just that CSSU is a fixer first and a "new things" second sorta thing. Jun 09 19:13:50 And kernel-power keeps expanding on the things the stock kernel had. Way beyond bugfixes. Jun 09 19:14:16 So yeah, I would say it's all right to install kernel-power. After all, you need it for most of the really out-there things you can do on the n900.� Jun 09 19:15:23 So... I guess "Backup first, because it's a kernel flashing operation and things can get bricked." Even though k-p has never destroyed my n900. And likely never will. Jun 09 19:16:44 Raimu: by 'backup' you just mean to the internal flash? Jun 09 19:16:52 Raimu: or to a real external device? Jun 09 19:18:12 Hmm. External device, I guess. I tend to transfer them on the PC with wi-fi. Jun 09 19:20:48 Raimu: just the rootfs? Jun 09 19:20:52 Oh, yeah. If no-one's mentioned it before, there's a great app named backupmenu for backing up rootfs and userfs. Jun 09 19:21:05 Raimu: yeah, I have it. Jun 09 19:21:22 Raimu: so, basically backup menu rootfs, copy backup offdevice? Jun 09 19:21:35 In most cases it's good to backup both root- and userfs. Jun 09 19:21:49 Raimu: then, when everything goes wrong, write backup rootfs on another machine. Jun 09 19:21:54 (It doesn't copy MyDocs at all) Jun 09 19:22:44 If everything goes wrong, do a reflash of both VANILLA and COMBINE and restore everything else from your backups. Jun 09 19:23:07 * Raimu isn't sure but thinks that's how it went. Anyone else clarify? Jun 09 19:23:20 Raimu: I don't think I still have VANILLA. Jun 09 19:23:51 Hmm? Jun 09 19:24:02 Raimu: ok, define VANILLA first ;) Jun 09 19:24:13 http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware Jun 09 19:24:53 Got to go know. Check out the wikis and the talks on maemo.org -- I pretty much picked everything up from those sources. Jun 09 19:25:01 *now Jun 09 21:19:12 fasta: (powerkernel) why should CSSU ship a kernel? Isn't it easy enough to install it straight away if you want that kernel rather than the original one? Jun 09 21:20:08 fasta: #1 mantra of CSSU: "it won't however ship anything that can get installed from extras repository" Jun 09 21:22:17 CSSU is about maximum possible freedom of choice, not about forcefeeding users with alternatives to stuff that may or may not be optional in original maemo fremantle Jun 09 21:23:49 powerkernel has one inevitable problem: kernel modules built for stock kernel won't work with this custom kernel Jun 09 21:25:22 CSSU is all dedicated to 100% compatibility whenever reasonably feasible. There shouldn't be a single user of dunnowhat acme-camera-app or whatever, who can't use CSSU or would have to bin his expensive commercial app that ship with stock kernel modules only Jun 09 21:29:05 if a patch (of whatever kind) A) wouldn't need CSSU to get applied, and/or B) can't guarantee 100% compatibility, and/or C) doesn't even fix anything that affects users of stock system - it probably has little to no chances to ever go into CSSU Jun 09 21:30:40 it's business and domain of projects like powerkernel to bring such improvements to users, that are not absolutely clean and kinda mandatory Jun 09 21:34:13 strange problem here after reflash missing clock and rest of status bar Jun 09 21:34:22 any idea? Jun 09 21:37:27 no idea? Jun 09 21:37:30 hmm Jun 09 22:00:00 ~ask Jun 09 22:00:01 Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. Jun 09 22:20:08 * DocScrutinizer05 hears a little man whispering into his ear: "powerkernel? ha! why not bundle most recent kubuntu to new version of libreoffice? It's a great distro and much better than anytging any user installing libreoffice will have installed on his machine right now" Jun 09 22:22:16 * DocScrutinizer05 kills the little man with a rolled up newspaper Jun 09 22:22:22 "Tanke THIS!" Jun 09 22:22:29 -n Jun 09 22:28:09 one additional note: while we haven't really achieved yet, the original idea of CSSU updates been to get rid of that Nokia concept of monolithic PR update blobs, and rather update each subsystem whenever an update is due, without postponing stuff till next nega bundle rolls out the door Jun 09 22:28:41 DocScrutinizer05: you should simply add a factoid about what cssu is instead of repeatng yourself always :D Jun 09 22:29:00 factoid length is limited Jun 09 22:29:03 something along the lines of ~includetocssu Jun 09 22:29:09 I should copy shit to a wiki page Jun 09 22:29:41 but wait, isn't all there already? ;-D Jun 09 22:29:55 RTFW Jun 09 22:30:09 read the f***g wiki Jun 09 22:32:51 I think I'll have to continue explaining it over and over again for the next min 5 years (ordered my #4 and #5 N900, so I'd really hope both hw and repos will serve me at least that long) Jun 09 22:33:44 celtics in 7! Jun 09 22:33:55 DocScrutinizer05: lol Jun 09 22:34:03 DocScrutinizer05: get a lumia 900 and put maemo on it :-P Jun 09 22:34:12 WUT???? Jun 09 22:34:33 I ordered #4 some time ago, but I still have to corner to suppliant and ask him where the fuck it is Jun 09 22:34:33 not possible huh? Jun 09 22:34:42 i still have my #2 with its broken sim reader Jun 09 22:34:48 anybody want to buy it? it's just collecting dust here Jun 09 22:34:53 got one hooker here, more than enough Jun 09 22:35:08 it reads.. just doesn't read it all the time :) Jun 09 22:38:48 * DocScrutinizer05 looks at N9 and hooker, wonders why he's thinking about Lore and Data Jun 09 22:40:07 just to spam the channel a bit more: got a CF-29 today :-D \o/ Jun 09 22:41:25 * DocScrutinizer05 does a little stepdance on the CF-29 Jun 09 22:43:30 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ww1RH8iAR4 Jun 09 22:46:43 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDUVRMyXZPI Jun 09 22:49:45 What's the going price for an n900 these days? Jun 09 22:50:08 new 260EUR if you can find some Jun 09 22:50:23 without original package and accessories Jun 09 22:50:46 Gotta love the depreciation! Jun 09 23:09:52 LOL at Black Hawk Toughbook Jun 09 23:20:40 DocScrutinizer05: what do you need an cf-29 for? Jun 09 23:22:43 well, just love decent hardware Jun 09 23:23:39 unless you usually use your notebooks in a warzone and expect it to work after your base got hit, I don't see the point in having it ;) Jun 09 23:23:43 or maybe just not repeat what others said already: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hetxcun5B1E Jun 09 23:24:35 I already stumbled and fell with a CF-27 in my hand. The poor pavement ;-D Jun 09 23:26:03 gotta love youtube comments: ...Refurbished Toughbooks protect and secure your data better than any laptop. Jun 09 23:26:08 dafuq? Jun 09 23:27:21 well, let's say I just need it for holiday Jun 09 23:28:52 and for full contact combat ;-P (I actually wonder if the thing counts as a weapon on german demonstrations) Jun 09 23:33:07 DocScrutinizer05: I bet the law in question is vague enough that anything sharp, heavy or whatever can be counted as a weapon Jun 09 23:33:21 probably Jun 09 23:34:14 recently the have a tendency to invent laws that are like chewing gum. E.G what's 'smoking'? Jun 09 23:34:55 or on demonstrations: what's "disguise"? Jun 09 23:34:56 Hehe, conveniently undefined or vague laws. Gotta love those. Jun 09 23:35:21 Sounds good and smart and sharp on paper to the masses and you can always say "cops sort it out". Jun 09 23:35:36 indeed Jun 09 23:35:36 Yeah, cops and courts. And yeah they sure do. *grimace* Jun 09 23:36:42 This reminds me, I would hate to ever, ever depend on the expertise of, say, any judge or jury of randomly-picked individuals if I was accused of anything -- anything -- that had something to do with modern tech or the Internet or whatever. Jun 09 23:36:43 "SUCKER! I don't give a shit if that's an astma inhaler! you pay 40 bucks for smoking in the nonsmoker area now, or..." Jun 09 23:37:28 Raimu: yeah, modern tech is kind of a problem Jun 09 23:38:37 You could have a completely reasonable defense that any actual computer-savvy person would understand, but the people sitting there and deciding for me wouldn't know the difference. They would just think some CSI probably traced my IP with some computer graphics animation and it's all waterproof 101% Jun 09 23:39:26 Rant over. Good night. o/ Jun 09 23:39:35 o/ Jun 09 23:40:36 Raimu: they used visual basic to make a gui to trace your ip and took a screenshot of your irc chat be cause it's all voilatile ;) Jun 09 23:41:29 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkDD03yeLnU and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2rGTXHvPCQ Jun 09 23:42:30 \o/ for 50% segfaults on opening those flash11 things on my T500 Jun 09 23:42:53 merlin1991 is that the one with the chick going "Good thing I speak l33t"? Jun 09 23:43:04 merlin1991: I think the worst is still the blowfish blowjob scene Jun 09 23:43:06 teotwaki: yep it's in the 2nd link Jun 09 23:43:32 you mean the one where he "hacks" the cia server? Jun 09 23:43:42 yeah Jun 09 23:44:03 yesterday, I was just flipping through channels waiting for sleep to come Jun 09 23:44:23 Numb3rs is probably as stupid and silly as it possibly gets Jun 09 23:44:32 saw some naval cops show Jun 09 23:44:39 the one with gibbs? Jun 09 23:44:49 NCIS I think Jun 09 23:44:55 Well, the "Miami" version of that. Jun 09 23:45:14 Some dude gets a call, and their elite hacker starts "tracing them" Jun 09 23:45:27 NCIS Miami is almost as idiotic, yes Jun 09 23:45:28 within a second "yeah, the call is coming from the same building, lemme get the GPS signal" Jun 09 23:45:28 * SpeedEvil ponders... Jun 09 23:45:45 Midomer Murders - Miami Jun 09 23:45:59 not only did they immediately see 3 phones on a map of the building Jun 09 23:46:15 the map was 3D, and the gps signal showed them on which floor they were Jun 09 23:46:55 now, if we were to go back on that, they're going to make us believe they have 3D topological maps, correlated with GPS data, for every single building on the east coast Jun 09 23:47:09 GPS is automagically broadcast when you place a call Jun 09 23:47:41 it doesn't matter where you are, anyone can receive that signal -- except the badies, they never use that "smart" technology. Jun 09 23:47:55 * merlin1991 rofls Jun 09 23:48:30 and damn that new generation of GPS gets a sub-meter accuracy fix *everywhere*, in 0.5s Jun 09 23:48:46 in through meters of reinforced concrete Jun 09 23:48:56 I can't get a signal through my fucking backpack Jun 09 23:49:51 teotwaki: remove that lead shielding... Jun 09 23:50:08 so that's why it's so heavy! Jun 09 23:50:17 well, it's contemporary fairy tales. Fantasy, fiction, like Perry Rhodan Jun 09 23:50:20 next scene, (baddie) sniper makes some dude's phone ring, has him in her scope, spends roughly 30 seconds adjusting the scope for wind and shit, takes the shot, and misses (obviously) Jun 09 23:50:25 teotwaki: also the tinfoil hat is affecting your reception ;) Jun 09 23:50:58 two elite cops go after her, one of them shouts "cover me" (they're roughly at 400m from the building) and the dude whips out his 9mm and starts shooting Jun 09 23:51:12 I really love it how in most "csi" series the sniper adjusts the scope for wind and stuff when the target is only over the street Jun 09 23:51:14 every single bullet hits within a closer area than the sniper bullet Jun 09 23:51:33 :D Jun 09 23:51:51 the guy somehow manages to get up the 8th story of the (empty and abandoned) parking lot within 3 seconds Jun 09 23:51:54 don't you know, them cops have amazing aim with their 9mm ;) Jun 09 23:52:09 teotwaki: Pigs can fly in CSI! Jun 09 23:52:16 he sees a car driving down, whips out his pistol, and empties some 20 bullets into the car Jun 09 23:52:42 9mm is more accurate than .300 Win Mag, dumbass. Jun 09 23:52:44 Sheesh. Jun 09 23:52:47 Learn something. Jun 09 23:53:07 lol Jun 09 23:53:18 Shorter barrels from imparting harmonic vibrations to the bullet Jun 09 23:53:22 so they fly truer. Jun 09 23:53:23 it's metric, it has to be more accurate Jun 09 23:53:59 let's go back over the scene: there was no wind in any of the trees, the scope didn't need adjusting. The shot was unmissable. 9mm has less recoil and exactly the same concrete penetrating properties as a .50 cal, cops are allowed to shoot at random passing cars without probable cause (he couldn't see the driver, and never saw her climb into the car) Jun 09 23:55:01