**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jun 16 02:59:59 2012 Jun 16 03:00:34 Or freaking hit a staffer if it's a real emergency. Jun 16 03:00:41 yep Jun 16 03:00:55 freenode suggests this on every single login MOTD Jun 16 03:01:34 /stats -p Jun 16 03:01:46 /join #freenode Jun 16 03:02:16 i thought freenode had an eighteen month backlog of support requests Jun 16 03:03:43 jrayhawk, for registering contacts Jun 16 03:03:48 not for dealing with spam'n'shit Jun 16 03:06:05 or with trolls Jun 16 03:08:53 or with phantom bouncers that make users start to cry Jun 16 03:10:28 (cheers lcuk, we for sure could use some of your friendly reasonable way to comment on things now) Jun 16 03:19:13 oooh here it is, plain text: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-meeting-irclog/%23maemo-meeting.2012-06-15.log.html#t2012-06-15T22:02:34 No, I don't recall ever having seen such statement anywhere in council manifest and associated wiki pages, or anything else Jun 16 03:20:26 the responsibilities of coucil are clearly about council first and foremost, about coordination of meetings, about funding and hiring professional support Jun 16 03:20:34 afair Jun 16 03:20:49 Council's job is facilitation primarily. Jun 16 03:20:59 That also involves a bit of administrative overhead. Jun 16 03:21:19 yeah, that's the job. Not the responsibilities Jun 16 03:21:30 Er, right Jun 16 03:21:32 I speak English. Jun 16 03:21:34 I promise. Jun 16 03:22:34 To be honest, I'm glad I haven't gotten involved with the Council... Seems like a bunch of drama/baby-sitting... :\ Jun 16 03:22:43 Teehee Jun 16 03:23:03 it seems to me parts of council try to enforce responsibility and "might" since they lack those coming naturally from merits and respect for what they did and do Jun 16 03:23:04 The ITT -> Talk changeover was a fun one. Jun 16 03:23:48 Didn't we just, erm, add a DNS record there and some minor code to change links appropriately? Jun 16 03:24:07 The theme was changed Jun 16 03:24:21 It was like running full-speed into a termite mound. Jun 16 03:25:26 and honestly all that naggedinagg and yaggediyag about IRC is moot, as #maemo is a trademark of Nokia, and thus nobody of council will ever become GC, since that would need to go past Nokia's lawyers, of nothing else Jun 16 03:27:13 s/ of no/ if no/ Jun 16 03:27:15 DocScrutinizer05 meant: and honestly all that naggedinagg and yaggediyag about IRC is moot, as #maemo is a trademark of Nokia, and thus nobody of council will ever become GC, since that would need to go past Nokia's lawyers, if nothing else Jun 16 03:28:43 GeneralAntilles: btw, you ever noticed strange behaviour of tmo regarding construction of links on any page? Jun 16 03:29:01 Construction of links in posts? Jun 16 03:29:18 invoke a page as itt/xy and all the links are also itt Jun 16 03:29:47 invoke it as IP/xy and the links on that page are IP/a IP/b ... Jun 16 03:29:51 Huh Jun 16 03:29:56 File a bug? Jun 16 03:30:15 and even change notification mail in that case has an URL based on IP ;-P Jun 16 03:31:26 honestly we should kick that out and just have a CNAME record for itt Jun 16 03:32:11 from my noobish POV on how HTTP etc works Jun 16 03:32:51 still you get more google hits to ITT than to tmo usually Jun 16 03:32:59 which is kinda odd Jun 16 03:33:33 and quite conventiently annoying, regarding anything like auto-login based on URL Jun 16 03:35:47 well, filing a bug feels ... futile when the bug is against tmo infra Jun 16 03:35:59 maybe I'm mistaken on that Jun 16 03:36:32 chem|st: ^^^ RFC Jun 16 03:44:32 Resistance is futile? Jun 16 03:44:47 (when ohms <1) Jun 16 03:45:02 [is tired. Ignore anything I say] Jun 16 03:45:14 {For some reason, which I do not know} Jun 16 03:45:39 <_> Jun 16 07:23:43 Sc0rpius, yes how would I otherwise build for armel??? Jun 16 07:26:14 hi Jun 16 07:26:25 does anyone here use pwnie express? Jun 16 07:32:03 I realise people probably hate the pwnie express guy for pilfering all the stuff off here and selling it, but I installed it on my spare n900 and there are a few things that don't quite work Jun 16 07:33:18 not sure how to properly update them Jun 16 10:07:42 DocScrutinizer05: I know sometimes it is messing up but no can do... Jun 16 10:08:29 itt is still itt Jun 16 10:08:45 ~itt Jun 16 10:08:45 somebody said itt was the forums on internettablettalk.com ( http://internettablettalk.com/forums ) Jun 16 11:25:09 eee Jun 16 11:25:18 :o Jun 16 13:03:56 anybody else who can't login to tmo using rekonq? Jun 16 13:05:17 hm seems to be the fsckd caching of rekonq Jun 16 13:05:19 totally fucked up Jun 16 13:08:11 chem|st: wow, it "just works" - why did I see so many URLs where it didn't? Jun 16 13:09:05 Is anybody else running a scratchbox with CSSU? Jun 16 13:09:10 I run into Jun 16 13:09:14 dpkg: regarding .../x11proto-input-dev_2.0-3-meego392+0m6_all.deb containing x11proto-input-dev: Jun 16 13:09:15 package uses Breaks; not supported in this dpkg Jun 16 13:10:02 wondering why I seem to be the only one with that issue. Jun 16 13:10:14 Are all other people using a scratchbox alternative? Jun 16 13:11:14 Here is the source of the x11proto... package Jun 16 13:11:17 http://paste.kde.org/501326/ Jun 16 13:12:23 Guest28766: are you in a maemo5 rootstrap Jun 16 13:12:28 or insdie a maemo4 one? Jun 16 13:13:27 chem|st: lol ->> Jun 16 13:13:30 HaleBopp:~ # host talk.maemo.org Jun 16 13:13:32 talk.maemo.org is an alias for forums.internettablettalk.com. Jun 16 13:13:33 forums.internettablettalk.com has address 74.86.202.247 Jun 16 13:13:47 http://74.86.202.247 Jun 16 13:16:04 Guest28766: the cssu repo only has armel packages Jun 16 13:16:18 thus you're not goign to install anything cssu on your X86 target Jun 16 13:17:35 chem|st: seems like internettablettalk.com/forums works just nice, while forums.internettablettalk.com does really not Jun 16 13:17:47 merlin1991, ok, but I see a similar issue on armel: Jun 16 13:18:17 chem|st: very puzzling Jun 16 13:18:37 ~usb-networking Jun 16 13:18:38 it has been said that usb-networking is http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking, or http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking, or http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/usb-networking Jun 16 13:18:43 Guest28766: http://paste.debian.net/174810/ Jun 16 13:18:53 something has to be wrong with your sb Jun 16 13:19:27 Guest28766: what does dpkg --verison say? (mine is 1.15.5.2 (i386)) Jun 16 13:19:46 ooh, lol. I'm even more puzzled, might I have mixed up some complaints about wiki.maemo.org with talk.maemo.org? Jun 16 13:21:13 http://paste.kde.org/501350/ Jun 16 13:21:21 is the issue on armel Jun 16 13:21:28 chem|st: GeneralAntilles: sorry for mixing stuff - see http://80.248.164.233/Main_Page Jun 16 13:21:48 1.13.25 Jun 16 13:22:05 Guest28766: you seem to have a completely foobar scratchbox Jun 16 13:23:00 What do you mean with foobar? Jun 16 13:23:15 fubar Jun 16 13:23:21 ~fubar Jun 16 13:23:23 fubar is F*cked Up Beyond Any Recognition, e.g. "This whole operation is fubar, soldier" (gay lisp included), or a bar addon like Titan Panel and Telo's InfoBar. and everything. Jun 16 13:23:51 thanks :-) Jun 16 13:24:00 hmm. Jun 16 13:24:01 why, what is your dpkg version? Jun 16 13:24:15 Does gay lisp use especially curly brackets? Jun 16 13:24:16 oh, I see Jun 16 13:24:29 can you please post apt-cache policy dpkg Jun 16 13:24:34 and your sources.list? Jun 16 13:26:36 merlin1991 can you help with the output of "cat /etc/apt/sources.list"? Jun 16 13:27:09 I need to leave now, please post anyways, I will read the irclogs Jun 16 13:29:41 Guest28766: http://paste.debian.net/174812/ Jun 16 13:30:05 looks like you have some harmattan sources there at some point Jun 16 13:31:46 hmm....that is mine Jun 16 13:31:48 http://paste.debian.net/174813/ Jun 16 13:33:10 you do not even have cssu? Jun 16 13:33:50 I've compiled the packages locally and installed them by hand :D Jun 16 13:34:18 Guest28766: one important thing when running a cssu scratchbox Jun 16 13:34:29 you have to disable extras / extras-something Jun 16 13:34:39 what does your apt-cache policy dpkg show? Jun 16 13:34:41 there are some libs / updated tools in there that fuck you up Jun 16 13:35:17 that has probably bidden me :-( Jun 16 13:35:32 aso you don't need to enable all 3 repos Jun 16 13:35:37 because -devel contains everything Jun 16 13:35:55 -testing is a smaller subset of -devel and extras is an even smaller subset of testing Jun 16 13:38:58 ok, thanks, need to continue later. Jun 16 13:39:22 can you give me your "apt-cache policy dpkg" output Jun 16 13:40:07 Guest28766: dpkg is actually the same Jun 16 13:40:16 I didn't realize that I was in the harmattan scratchbox :D Jun 16 13:44:39 I hate the new muon updater, you never know if it works or just crashed Jun 16 13:58:07 DocScrutinizer05: afaics only the category-tree link is somewhat hardcoded... Jun 16 13:58:22 or I have no idea what you are taking 'bout Jun 16 13:59:03 chem|st: look at http://80.248.164.233/Special:Recentchanges Jun 16 13:59:22 watch what all the href-tags URLs look like Jun 16 14:02:39 the no-fwd of forums.itt is meant to be afair Jun 16 14:03:33 chem|st: for tmo and itt it seems we got two vhosts on same IP, and the "root" is some weird stuff not related to tmo at all Jun 16 14:05:31 I agree though that there's no such problem of not forwarding itt/subpages to tmo/subpage. seems to work like it should - I seem to recall that's been different Jun 16 14:07:38 http://80.248.164.233/Special:Recentchanges is all valid xhtml.. Jun 16 14:07:58 well not really but the links are Jun 16 14:09:06 sure Jun 16 14:09:12 DocScrutinizer05: what you mean to know about tmo itt problem is that google does value tmo & itt for the same search but usually shows only itt OR tmo links Jun 16 14:09:12 that's not the point Jun 16 14:09:26 the root? Jun 16 14:09:56 ? Jun 16 14:10:06 I mean the href-tags Jun 16 14:10:28 I'm just trying to sort my stuff, as it seems wmo isn't notifying me about changes anymore Jun 16 14:10:52 or the notification mails go to dev/null Jun 16 14:12:09 ~wmo Jun 16 14:12:17 tmo? Jun 16 14:13:35 http://paste.debian.net/174820/ Jun 16 14:14:47 watch all the URLs in this notification mail being based on IP instead of proper DNS-URL Jun 16 14:14:52 oh now I get you Jun 16 14:15:00 lol Jun 16 14:15:34 havent got any lately, will have a look though Jun 16 14:15:59 who is maintaining the server behind wmo Jun 16 14:16:17 it's only happening if somebody is changing something on http://80.248.164.233/ instead of wiki.maemo.org Jun 16 14:16:24 nfc Jun 16 14:16:46 ok Jun 16 14:17:08 sorry for confusion caused by me mixing up tmo and wmo issues Jun 16 14:17:35 np Jun 16 14:18:08 I have no idea what midgard does with pages either, have you tried? Jun 16 14:18:18 not yet Jun 16 14:18:52 the wmo stup just shows that someone forgot to enter the root in the settings Jun 16 14:20:58 lol Jun 16 14:21:01 the NPO website I maintain has some fancy url setup which brakes with typo-light, in terms of wmo I cannot enter the backend from wmo but from the serverURL Jun 16 14:21:47 and I cannot have both working for some reason Jun 16 14:22:16 it is the typo-I-have-many-websites-with-one-backend thing Jun 16 14:22:20 I can't say I completely follow, but seems you tracked it down to some rootcause Jun 16 14:24:44 you may invoke thisishell.org if fwd to that ip Jun 16 14:25:10 you may not do that if the root is set to wmo Jun 16 14:25:38 freenode is done with their service update^^ Jun 16 14:27:21 that fwd thing happened to work for schlimmsteparteiderwelt.de -> cdu.de Jun 16 14:33:18 lemme check those bookmarks I found: http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php/HOWTO:_USB_Host_mode_on_the_N800_using_OS_2008 http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?p=746546#post746546 Jun 16 14:35:31 well, http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?p=746546#post746546 does NOT forward to http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=746546#post746546 Jun 16 14:36:15 chem|st: ^^^ Jun 16 14:37:35 that forums.itt not fwd is ok, what is that wiki link? Jun 16 14:38:03 I get an emoty page from that Jun 16 14:38:25 which results in my browser not doing auto-login and not showing correct theme consequently Jun 16 14:39:15 nfc about http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php/HOWTO:_USB_Host_mode_on_the_N800_using_OS_2008 - it's been a valid page once Jun 16 14:40:05 it would be pretty unfortunate to see such stuff bitrot and vanish Jun 16 14:40:17 is it possible to use system fakeroot instead of the bundled version? Jun 16 14:40:35 yw kloeri :-D Jun 16 14:42:01 chem|st: why is http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?p=746546#post746546 not supposed to forward to the identical http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=746546#post746546 ? Jun 16 14:42:32 it's friggin inconvenient Jun 16 14:52:14 chem|st: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=271916#post271916 Jun 16 15:00:39 _freemangordon: I'm attempting to set up a dev env for FREEMANTLE_ARMEL_GCC462. How do I boostrap? Jun 16 15:01:16 I have the standard SDK installed on top of Gentoo. Jun 16 15:05:08 Hello ! Jun 16 15:16:03 zeq: how did you install it on gentoo? Jun 16 15:22:39 DocScrutinizer05: it is no fwd it is an alias, ask reggie to fwd instead of aliasing if you like, I do not care Jun 16 15:22:44 Tranquilllity: I've used mostly portage ebuilds, a few local ones to fill in the holes Jun 16 15:23:13 I've worked out I have a problem with the toolchain setup atm Jun 16 15:23:19 chem|st: well, where's reggie? Jun 16 15:23:26 that's why fakeroot isn't working Jun 16 15:24:07 chem|st: I'd also like to ask him about stale pages like the link in http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=271916#post271916 Jun 16 15:24:13 DocScrutinizer05: offline :) Jun 16 15:24:42 it's working for FREMANTLE_ARMEL now Jun 16 15:25:34 obviously I'm doing something wrong with the new target Jun 16 15:27:34 fakeroot apt-get install nokia-binaries nokia-apps isn't working though Jun 16 15:28:08 can't find the packages, something's wrong with the repo list??? Jun 16 15:28:32 <_freemangordon> zeq: using sb-menu setup a new target Jun 16 15:28:44 <_freemangordon> FREMANTLE_THUmb for example Jun 16 15:28:55 <_freemangordon> choose gcc4.6.2 as compiler Jun 16 15:29:13 okay trying now Jun 16 15:29:29 never used sb before :) Jun 16 15:29:51 <_freemangordon> choose perl:debian-etch:qemu:doctools:svn:git as devkit packages Jun 16 15:31:00 <_freemangordon> choose maemo-sdk-rootstrap_5.0_20.2010.36-2_armel.tgz as rootstrap Jun 16 15:31:15 <_freemangordon> when asked to install files, choose everything but "C" Jun 16 15:31:21 <_freemangordon> zeq:^^^ Jun 16 15:32:32 I don't have the above rootstrap? Jun 16 15:32:52 <_freemangordon> you should download it from nokia, NFC wehere exactly Jun 16 15:33:25 googling Jun 16 15:33:48 <_freemangordon> zeq: there should be installer somewhere, you'd better use it Jun 16 15:40:39 found it Jun 16 15:41:18 can you give me the link? Jun 16 15:41:52 repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/armel/ Jun 16 15:42:56 thx Jun 16 15:45:41 _freemangordon: not "C-library", "C-runtime" Jun 16 15:45:44 ? Jun 16 15:45:53 <_freemangordon> yeah Jun 16 15:46:03 ok Jun 16 15:46:03 <_freemangordon> what are "C" options? Jun 16 15:46:18 <_freemangordon> I remember it was the second you have to unckech Jun 16 15:46:26 <_freemangordon> uncheck* Jun 16 15:46:54 * Macer stares at his n900 totally collecting dust Jun 16 15:46:54 oops then :) Jun 16 15:46:55 heh Jun 16 15:47:03 poor thing Jun 16 15:47:17 i would shove my att sim in it but who the hell wants to use edge? Jun 16 15:47:32 * Macer goes to ebay it for $50 heh Jun 16 15:47:50 options were: "C-library", "C-runtime" Jun 16 15:48:33 <_freemangordon> zeq: well, can't remember exactly, besides it was the second from top Jun 16 15:49:09 I'll do it again later, I need to go out for a while... Jun 16 15:59:56 dafaq is going on with /ns help Jun 16 16:00:03 1h ago: Jun 16 16:00:09 [16.06.2012 16:43:29] [Notice] -NickServ- If a registered nick is not used by the owner for 150 days, Jun 16 16:00:10 [16.06.2012 16:43:29] [Notice] -NickServ- NickServ will drop the nickname, allowing it to be reregistered. Jun 16 16:00:24 now those 2 lines are missing again Jun 16 16:01:26 perhaps they did an upgrade of some sort and forgot to edit the help text? Jun 16 16:16:00 freemangordon: what now? fakeroot still isn't working... Jun 16 16:17:16 freemangordon: probably, I installed the toolchain incorrectly Jun 16 16:18:00 I just extracted the tar.gz into /scratchbox/compilers Jun 16 16:19:00 I notice there's no target_setup.sh Jun 16 16:19:59 unlike the portage installed toolchain Jun 16 16:32:09 well, the miracle got solved: the nick pruning been a one-shot event. Jun 16 16:32:51 which seems resulted in >50% of registered nicks got dropped Jun 16 16:37:46 zeq: you should choose that compiler when setting up the target Jun 16 18:04:59 X-Fade: looks like new users that request Extras-Devel upload rights just receive a message from from some guy about leaving Nokia on 30th of April Jun 16 18:05:40 anyone knows whats happening and how this can be fixed ? or who to contact about this ? Jun 16 18:07:22 the message in question: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1222336&postcount=161 Jun 16 18:22:20 M4rtinK: I got that e-mail but I also got enabled for access to extras-devel a couple of weeks ago (shortly after applying) Jun 16 18:23:26 so presumably the system sends out an automated e-mail to a number of different people with approval rights, and it's just one of them that happens to have an auto-responder set up Jun 16 18:23:44 yeah, that could be it Jun 16 18:24:09 but it should still be fixed Jun 16 18:24:16 yeah Jun 16 18:24:18 it confuses the hell out of new developers Jun 16 18:24:41 and the autobuilder is still an important part of the infrastructure Jun 16 18:26:08 btw, any idea whats the status of the proposed OBS for Fremantle ? :) Jun 16 18:45:02 Is there a keyring, in maemo ? or something similar to store passwords ? -- I doubt it, as all the passwords are in clear, but maybe I've missed a point... Jun 16 18:47:50 (anyway, what would be the key ? there isn't even a password for the root account... Maybe the Pin number would be a first step, but 4 numbers is quite weak.) Jun 16 18:48:18 there isn't Jun 16 18:49:17 M4rtinK: I'd guess that X-Fade would be the best person to ask about that Jun 16 18:49:43 Ok, well, I'll do my best not to shout the password on the roof, then Jun 16 18:52:05 password for what Tofe? Jun 16 18:52:35 for the little application I'm writing these days Jun 16 18:52:50 about syncing a webdav account against a local folder Jun 16 19:22:36 freemangordon: I'm back now. I'm trying to figure out how to install custom toolchains in scratchbox. Jun 16 19:22:58 Elleo: yeah, I've already pinged him here & the Saera developer wrote him a PM :) Jun 16 20:04:34 freemangordon: I think I have it figured it out. I need to build fakeroot from the device_tools in sb-toolchain-extras Jun 16 20:20:42 ShadowJK: sorry, postoffice been closed when I resumed from hibernate today Jun 16 20:24:34 did I already mention thios b2b-connector at mobo end of FPC is a friggin b*tch? Not only because of 3 layers with solderpoints/vias, but primarily for goddamn inconvenoience to plug it in Jun 16 20:25:26 heh, lately, I perfected putting it back. It's really equilibristic, damn thing require telekinesis to plug Jun 16 20:25:55 basically, it requires targetting at 3 axis, like docking space shuttle to ISS :P Jun 16 20:26:26 hardest point of assembling N900 back, IMO Jun 16 20:26:41 once, I even managed to torn it a little at left side. Jun 16 20:27:43 which is nothing, compared to how I screwed my main N900 during last tests - whole part of pcb with usb port and charging chip had to be cut off, to even boot device Jun 16 20:28:06 side effect - camera doesnt work too, despite fact, that - apparently - camera module is ok Jun 16 20:28:52 * Estel_ is waiting for replacement unit, to take motherboard off and put into my shiny case + screen) Jun 16 21:07:45 merlin1991, thank you for your help this afternoon, my armel scratchbox seems to be recovered. Jun 16 21:07:57 :) Jun 16 21:08:30 I am wondering, why it was decided not to upload x86 packages for cssu Jun 16 21:13:13 I'd think it's about wheter they are built on buildserver, or not Jun 16 21:13:41 for now AIUI nothing of CSSU is built on buildserver Jun 16 21:14:07 but MohammadAG and merlin1991 should know better details on that Jun 16 21:14:53 simply because certain parts don't build on the buildserver Jun 16 21:14:59 again AIUI all this will change soonish, with COBS Jun 16 21:15:02 and mag said he's not going to build everything twice all the time Jun 16 21:16:00 buenas tardes merlin1991 Jun 16 21:16:21 and also ack about cobs Jun 16 21:16:26 :-D Jun 16 21:16:35 we'll probably have build for everything thanks to cobs when it arrives :) Jun 16 21:16:46 even for 4004 Jun 16 21:16:52 and PDP11 Jun 16 21:16:57 ;-P Jun 16 21:22:32 don't forget MMIX and Ural 2 :) Jun 16 21:27:17 BTW, it is already possible to use the Harmattan target in COBS to build architecture independent packages Jun 16 21:28:05 I'm using it for bleeding-edge Fremantle repository for my Python programs Jun 16 21:29:53 M4rtinK: nice :-) Jun 16 21:31:15 the auto-rebuild is kinda nice Jun 16 21:32:50 and I have a script that pulls code from Git, creates a source package and uploads it to Harmattan and Fremantle repos (due to different icons sizes & startup scripts) :) Jun 16 21:34:34 its quite convenient like this :) Jun 16 21:35:40 M4rtinK: maybe you should wrizte some sort of bölogpost or wiki_miniHowTo about that stuff? Jun 16 21:36:04 dang, if you find typos you can keep them ;-) Jun 16 21:39:19 Is there a guide for updating the SDK to CSSU? Jun 16 21:39:36 I've resolved my fakeroot issue now Jun 16 21:39:38 alas not AFAIK Jun 16 21:39:55 I'm having trouble with repos Jun 16 21:40:24 but then, since SDK should be compatible to stock fremantle, as is supposed for CSSU, I don't see much of an issue anyway Jun 16 21:40:33 is there an example sources.list that works from the sdk? Jun 16 21:41:08 DocScrutinizer05: IIRC ZogG promised to write a COBS Howto :) Jun 16 21:41:15 I tried using the one from the device, but I'm missing packages after update Jun 16 21:41:25 for anything except CSSU genuine patches, there shouldn't be any issue with SDK Jun 16 21:41:32 hmm Jun 16 21:41:40 M4rtinK, still have errors on building Jun 16 21:42:08 pasted the main make package stages, now trying to optimize it to build properly on obs Jun 16 21:42:19 again - discalimer AIUI and better ask you mom and dad, err merlin1991and MohammadAG (who is your father anyway ;-D ) Jun 16 21:42:50 ZogG: could it be caused by parallel build ? Jun 16 21:43:04 :) Jun 16 21:43:31 zeq: CSSU is NOT changing API or ABI Jun 16 21:43:32 looks like OBS by default runs build in 4 threads, including packaging scripts Jun 16 21:44:06 I had some issues with it breaking GTK or other packages Jun 16 21:44:14 I'm planning on building thumb packages Jun 16 21:44:26 aaah that's a whole new story Jun 16 21:44:29 M4rtinK, nope i have dep error the funny thing that it's from other deb i included Jun 16 21:44:41 weird Jun 16 21:44:43 talk to freemangordon @ #maemo-ssu about it Jun 16 21:45:06 ok Jun 16 21:45:20 M4rtinK, it's funny tht i include account but the error on what it includes and i have it in control file Jun 16 21:45:24 ZogG: does that deb build successfully ? Jun 16 21:45:26 zeq: anyway I can't see CSSU mainline ever supporting thumb Jun 16 21:45:41 while rzr build same thing succsefully with scratchbox mine fails Jun 16 21:45:41 since this IS breaking ABI Jun 16 21:46:01 well, I have a few packages Jun 16 21:46:12 that build in local OBS build, but not in COBS :) Jun 16 21:46:22 M4rtinK, i had few debs build but they were build wierd when no execution file was copied to device =) Jun 16 21:46:28 that one in apps4meego Jun 16 21:46:35 requested X-Fade to delete it Jun 16 21:46:58 and for a while one of the GTK packages that would build in one project and not i another similar one :) Jun 16 21:47:13 zeq: you shouldn't develop apps for thunb only, anyway Jun 16 21:47:37 zeq: there's no sane reason and rationale usually to not support stock maemo and CSSU as well Jun 16 21:47:37 ZogG: so does it build in your OBS project ? Jun 16 21:47:54 nopi build it with qtcreator Jun 16 21:48:15 now i build it with script to mke it to obs Jun 16 21:48:49 zeq: and if your app is written in a clean style, it shouldn't matter at all whether you compile it for thumb or for ARM Jun 16 21:48:49 and the resulting source package builds successfully in your OBS project ? Jun 16 21:48:56 but it's still failling in normal way e.g. i need to make qmake -project otherwise it fails to make makefile Jun 16 21:49:10 M4rtinK source package is built fine Jun 16 21:49:21 but it won't compile ? Jun 16 21:49:23 i get with hacks to deps fail Jun 16 21:49:30 in OBs at all ? Jun 16 21:49:40 ZogG: is there a repo? Jun 16 21:49:54 I can look at it aswell Jun 16 21:49:55 M4rtinK, in normal way not it took me trying options with qmake to find out it need -project Jun 16 21:50:00 now the problem with deps Jun 16 21:51:02 merlin1991, rzr managed to build it but with manual rules, thought i need one from qtcreator as i need to compile there and it's already mess Jun 16 21:51:15 DocScrutinizer: thumb2 doesn't work on stock (or current CSSU) Jun 16 21:51:29 zeq: what I said Jun 16 21:51:55 but it's the compiler that creates thumb2 code from plain clean c code Jun 16 21:52:00 oh yes, didn't scroll back far enough :) Jun 16 21:52:15 same way it creates clean straight ARM from same c code Jun 16 21:53:30 and all that is completely unrelated to any supposed changes that actually do *not* come with CSSU Jun 16 21:53:30 merlin1991, https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=imgrup&project=home%3AZogG Jun 16 21:53:34 I know. My only thought, perhaps incorrect, was that CSSU(-thumb) might have newer non-core libs to develop against Jun 16 21:53:36 anyway ZogG if you want to you can give me a quick pm with details what works/not a link to the code and I'll have a look (I have qt creator and scratchbox here) Jun 16 21:54:09 zeq: I dunno about CSSU-thumb, though I'd guess it shouldn't have anything like that Jun 16 21:54:21 merlin1991 lemme show you almost last source of project for qtcreator and script for packaging than Jun 16 21:54:21 CSSU (minus thumb) for sure doesn't Jun 16 21:54:55 The plan is to port the harmatten fennec git Jun 16 21:55:03 code Jun 16 21:55:12 so first port it to fremantle core Jun 16 21:55:26 if it worlks there, it also works on CSSU Jun 16 21:55:30 I could I suppose :) Jun 16 21:55:36 then you go and rebuild it under CSSU-thumb Jun 16 21:56:00 merlin1991, https://github.com/funkycode/imgrup here is source code Jun 16 21:56:07 fennec non-thumv pushes memory capacity though Jun 16 21:56:10 and it should build there flawlessly Jun 16 21:56:25 merlin1991, generate-obs-source is the script for making source and tar.gz Jun 16 21:56:32 I'll do that Jun 16 21:56:37 :-D Jun 16 21:58:08 merlin1991: any comments re above? Jun 16 21:58:52 zeq: unless fennec is built on top of qt you don't have any important improved system libs to use Jun 16 21:59:10 I was planning to Jun 16 21:59:35 even qt libs might be improved but should not break ABI, no? Jun 16 21:59:56 yeah they only have a bit more stuff in them Jun 16 22:00:17 ZogG: and qt creator buliding still works? Jun 16 22:00:18 which doesn't hurt, as long as you don't use that additional stuff Jun 16 22:01:04 merlin1991, yes though i don't know if it's reltted but now i have no delete red x on desctop icon Jun 16 22:01:24 but it might be on my phone end as did't heard anyone complaiing Jun 16 22:01:34 so - as long as you don't *NEED* to use these new bits - you're better off building against stock fremantle, then port to CSSU and maybe even CSSU-thumb Jun 16 22:02:08 (where "port to CSSU" is basically a null-op) Jun 16 22:02:21 I'm not sure if I won't. depends what the harmattan code does Jun 16 22:02:36 :nod: Jun 16 22:02:46 try hard to avoid though, please Jun 16 22:02:47 I thought it best to minimize differences Jun 16 22:03:16 zeq: you don't want to segregate 90% of N900 users Jun 16 22:03:36 90% not on CSSU? Jun 16 22:03:41 at least Jun 16 22:04:04 they need some outreach :) Jun 16 22:05:01 zeq: so now you got the whole picture, and the perspective. Act accordingly Jun 16 22:05:48 will do Jun 16 22:05:54 thanks Jun 16 22:07:06 It's a slight culture-shock for me, comming from gentoo ;) Jun 16 22:09:41 Yeah, no server side builds Jun 16 22:09:50 It's costly, for the servers Jun 16 22:10:10 We don't want to hold a server to build Qt Jun 16 22:11:32 I've seen a KDE build on COBS :) Jun 16 22:11:37 it takes a while Jun 16 22:11:46 ...on a dozen of workers :) Jun 16 22:14:03 zeq: gentoo <3 Jun 16 22:21:34 * DocScrutinizer05 waves at MohammadAG Jun 16 23:34:35 hi Jun 16 23:34:55 I've a keyboard problem using easy debian on my nokia n900. Jun 16 23:35:00 Can somebody help me ? Jun 16 23:50:19 sure Jun 16 23:50:22 ~ask Jun 16 23:50:23 Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. Jun 16 23:51:23 lemme guess - the return key doesn't work like expected? Jun 16 23:52:02 meh, drive-by asker Jun 16 23:53:53 * DocScrutinizer05 ponders to write a bot plugin to handle those join-ask-leave events, at least next time same nick/host shows up Jun 16 23:55:50 hmm, chanlog doesn't show any leave event for flazgar Jun 16 23:56:21 makes me wonder how reasonable it is to log join/leave but not to log nick events Jun 16 23:58:55