**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jun 26 02:59:58 2012 Jun 26 03:55:31 ~seen kwtm Jun 26 03:55:34 seen kwtm Jun 26 03:55:35 kwtm is currently on #maemo (21s). Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 3s, last said: '~seen kwtm'. Jun 26 04:14:00 kwtm, missed Yourself? Jun 26 04:14:24 I did. Boy, it's been a long time! Jun 26 04:49:27 freemangordon: qt4 built fine with 4.6.3 Jun 26 06:05:42 qt seems to work fine too :) Jun 26 06:07:02 zeq: I am going to "almost working" stuff, NFC why, but you should rotate twice in order the contene to be redrawn :( Jun 26 06:07:08 *content Jun 26 06:07:24 * freemangordon is still having his coffee Jun 26 06:07:39 so, I am going to commit ... Jun 26 06:09:58 this is based on the bitmap rotation code or h-d rotation? Jun 26 06:10:21 h-d Jun 26 06:10:35 cool :) Jun 26 06:10:55 all maemo6 stuff is #ifdef'ed Jun 26 06:11:17 so it's not picking up on the rotation notification? Jun 26 06:11:25 it is Jun 26 06:11:36 only every other time? Jun 26 06:12:44 no, the notification is pcked up every ti, but the following "resize" not, it seems some more code is needed Jun 26 06:13:11 strange Jun 26 06:13:25 really Jun 26 06:13:49 but it has something to do with Qt, will need some forther investigation Jun 26 06:14:09 *further Jun 26 06:14:34 I'll take a look once it's pushed Jun 26 06:14:43 ok, gimme a minute Jun 26 06:15:13 BTW what is strange is that it rotetes even when blacklisted Jun 26 06:15:44 and there is no setAttribute(Qt::WA_Maemo5AutoOrientation, true); Jun 26 06:17:09 ? Jun 26 06:17:29 ok, pushed to master Jun 26 06:17:33 that shouldn't happen! Jun 26 06:17:41 zeq: I know Jun 26 06:18:05 I'll get it built and have a look Jun 26 06:18:35 is the debian/rules setup to just work now? Jun 26 06:18:42 you'll have to fetch from master to maemo5 branch Jun 26 06:18:51 ok Jun 26 06:19:06 yep, debian/rules should work, but there are in maemo5 Jun 26 06:19:23 *it is Jun 26 06:19:31 yup ok Jun 26 06:19:42 Am I sleepy, heh :) Jun 26 06:21:07 what time is it there? Jun 26 06:21:32 9:20 Jun 26 06:21:58 07:20 here :) Jun 26 06:22:23 been up since 05:30, breakfast duty Jun 26 06:22:28 it is just very hard to wake me up Jun 26 06:22:48 not that it is early morning Jun 26 06:26:28 I think I'll get scratchbox running on the server before starting building Jun 26 06:29:29 I'll take a look at the code while scratchbox installs... Jun 26 06:30:55 ok. btw I think I found why it rotates when it should not, there is a second process (plugin-container) and it is not blacklisted Jun 26 06:31:08 ah Jun 26 06:32:10 no, it is not that :( Jun 26 06:32:33 actually the sidebars are ok, just the content (the one in the middle) Jun 26 06:35:08 changes look good Jun 26 06:36:09 WTF? blacklisting fennec insted of Fennc fices the things. Hooray Jun 26 06:36:21 *fennec instead of Fennec Jun 26 06:36:49 but why it rotates in the first place? Jun 26 06:36:57 LOL Jun 26 06:37:14 could be something with Qt in CSSU Jun 26 06:37:14 so you've made it not rotate? Jun 26 06:37:43 i blacklisted it, and now it behaves correctly every time Jun 26 06:37:56 and rotates as it should Jun 26 06:38:22 I'm confused Jun 26 06:38:51 no, it is not :(. damn, cannot figure out what triggers correct behaviour. Jun 26 06:40:08 maybe put it in some debugging output? Jun 26 06:40:37 don't have tim enow, gtg t work in a couple of minutes Jun 26 06:40:42 I need to test it to understand what's happening Jun 26 06:41:18 ok. I'll see what I can do. Jun 26 06:42:07 see you later :) Jun 26 06:42:09 yeah Jun 26 06:42:13 bb Jun 26 07:52:11 luke-jr: pong Jun 26 08:41:28 zeq: any aprticular reason to use Qt backeng instead of GTK? Jun 26 08:41:33 *backend Jun 26 08:43:06 freemangordon: it's supposed to be much faster, and is now one of only two official fennec backends. Jun 26 08:43:31 gtk is still there but it's no longer supported Jun 26 08:43:53 that's why Mozilla dropped fennec for Maemo Jun 26 08:44:01 faster? Jun 26 08:44:16 hw accelerated rendering Jun 26 08:44:20 hmm, linking with gtk2 backen, lets see if it will run Jun 26 08:44:26 ok Jun 26 08:44:49 but gtk on maem05 has all the hw acceleraed rendering you may wish Jun 26 08:45:00 AFAIK Jun 26 08:45:21 it is the same one microb is using Jun 26 08:45:34 and it IS fast Jun 26 08:45:50 yeah, I don't know the rationale for fennec dropping gtk Jun 26 08:46:12 too many backends to maintain? Jun 26 08:46:15 outdated? Jun 26 08:46:23 as it is gtk2 Jun 26 08:46:28 it's still the default for firefox afaik Jun 26 08:46:39 definitely outdated Jun 26 08:47:37 well, lets see. Did you look why the hell Qt one behave strangely? Jun 26 08:47:41 I was reading the Qt examples for Hildon integration, it doesn't look that difficult to hook up. Jun 26 08:47:53 yep, it is not Jun 26 08:48:14 actually it should work oob Jun 26 08:48:39 It's taking a while to back up my scratchbox, I forgot to unmount the bind mounts first! Jun 26 08:48:53 (moving to my server) Jun 26 08:48:55 :D Jun 26 08:49:18 oops Jun 26 08:49:32 I did wonder why it was taking so long Jun 26 08:50:59 I noticed that a #ifdef MOZ_X11 got #ifdef'd out by the maemo5 block in the resize function Jun 26 08:51:19 yep Jun 26 08:51:26 deliberate? Jun 26 08:51:40 yes, but lemme check Jun 26 08:52:21 that code is used for _MEEGOTOUCH_ORIENTATION_ANGLE Jun 26 08:52:34 we deffinitely don't need it Jun 26 08:53:34 if that's all it was, strange it was MOZ_X11, unless it's abused somewhere else Jun 26 08:54:03 NFC, that code is like spaghetti Jun 26 08:54:26 ok, gtk2 .deb ready, lets see how it will behave Jun 26 08:54:32 it's a wonder it works :P Jun 26 08:54:39 ok Jun 26 08:57:31 coffee Jun 26 09:07:18 damn, cannot connect remotely to may desktop anymore :-( Jun 26 09:07:42 otherwise gtk fennec works like charm. but is slow :-D Jun 26 09:07:57 slow, figures Jun 26 09:08:17 it is VERY slow Jun 26 09:08:23 LOL Jun 26 09:08:28 oh well Jun 26 09:08:33 hmm, seems my desktop appeared Jun 26 09:08:45 that's good! Jun 26 09:08:53 yes, it is here Jun 26 09:09:02 I wonder why it is so slow Jun 26 09:09:19 maybe mozconfig options are incorrect Jun 26 09:09:24 Firefox is pretty quick lately Jun 26 09:09:44 I think it's an architectural thing Jun 26 09:09:58 I think we shloud do wthat we can to use gtk, it uses 2-3 times less memory than qt version Jun 26 09:10:14 firefox doesn't really use much gtk anymore afaik Jun 26 09:10:22 mostly bypasses it Jun 26 09:10:58 just creates the window and widgets, but then uses other APIs Jun 26 09:10:58 anyway, I am back to work, bbl Jun 26 09:11:19 ok, have fun Jun 26 09:31:07 freemangordon: I'm seeking advice from mozilla devs regarding what to do. Jun 26 09:33:50 performance difference between android xul version / native gui, and fennec / microb suggests the hog maybe xulrunner. How hard would it be to cook up a native qt interface? Jun 26 09:34:32 If i am not mistaken opera uses qt for interface too Jun 26 09:35:11 qwazix: that's what we've been doing, but it seems the qtwidget uses much more memory Jun 26 09:35:27 it is fast though Jun 26 09:35:44 Oh sorry, thought that it was just xul running over qt Jun 26 09:36:28 qwazix: well, yes it is, but that's how mozilla browsers work, or am I missing something? Jun 26 09:36:44 it's an accelerated xul engine Jun 26 09:37:37 as is the android port. I could well be missing something... Jun 26 09:37:38 Check out v14 on android. They got rid of xul altogether I think, and there is native java dalvik ui, suspect something microb (although microb does still use xul for some windows - addons etc) Jun 26 09:38:13 qwazix: you could well be right Jun 26 09:38:18 hang on Jun 26 09:38:23 https://wiki.mozilla.org/Fennec/NativeUI Jun 26 09:38:48 yup you are Jun 26 09:39:08 that said the qt xul widget is fast Jun 26 09:39:42 http://starkravingfinkle.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/native-overview1.png Jun 26 09:40:33 qwazix: we kind of do already have a native port ofc, microb Jun 26 09:41:39 maybe that's why microb is faster even with the aging 1.9 gecko Jun 26 09:42:19 the tricky part is updating the engine, since we don't have all the sources Jun 26 09:42:34 if microb's ui was open it would be the end of all our troubles. The N8xx microb is fully open AFAIK Jun 26 09:43:18 I don't suppose it exposes the same interface...? Jun 26 09:44:02 qwazix: Maybe we could kick in some cash for it. I've got 28 pence. That should buy a substantial part of nokia these days. Jun 26 09:44:05 Don't know really Jun 26 09:44:30 SpeedEvil: haha, add 2eur from me too Jun 26 09:44:47 SpeedEvil: I think you're onto something :) Jun 26 09:51:25 going to try it with --enable-egl-xrender-composite Jun 26 09:54:26 freemangordon: ok, sounds fast :) Jun 26 09:54:40 :) Jun 26 09:57:20 btw I asked on the mozilla mobile dev channel about it, they suggested I wait 8hr for romaxa to wake up Jun 26 09:57:28 :) Jun 26 09:57:29 :) Jun 26 09:57:45 is /tmp on maemo just a regular directory on rootfs (n900)? Jun 26 09:59:05 tmpfs on /tmp Jun 26 09:59:09 yep Jun 26 09:59:14 Nokia-N900-42-11:~# df Jun 26 09:59:14 Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on Jun 26 09:59:14 rootfs 233344 149788 79272 65% / Jun 26 09:59:14 ubi0:rootfs 233344 149788 79272 65% / Jun 26 09:59:14 tmpfs 1024 76 948 7% /tmp Jun 26 09:59:46 So it would be safe to delete /tmp and replace it with a symlink to /opt/tmp? Jun 26 09:59:52 This would survive reboots? Jun 26 10:00:31 As I understand it - tmpfs in the above example is using (about) 76K of RAM Jun 26 10:00:35 that's questionable Jun 26 10:00:35 vi__: tmpfs is ramdisk Jun 26 10:01:00 I'm unsure if symlinks will work Jun 26 10:01:03 how odd. Jun 26 10:01:10 vi__: so no it is not, to answere your question Jun 26 10:01:23 why would you want to preserve /tmp :S Jun 26 10:01:28 http://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2012/06/what-do-we-now-know-after-nokias-latest-profit-warning-layoffs-the-titanic-deck-chairs-moment.html Jun 26 10:01:46 I do not, but some scripts, programs etc dump lots of data in tmp. Jun 26 10:07:07 * japh dumps vi__ in /tmp. Jun 26 10:08:50 japh: whaa....? Jun 26 10:09:25 jargon-: reboot, fast! Jun 26 10:09:34 errr Jun 26 10:09:38 ruskie: Just a teeny step above accusing him of molesting ducks. Jun 26 10:09:45 japh: ^^^^^^ Jun 26 10:09:59 ruskie: Not that I don't agree Jun 26 10:10:26 vi__, hi! you know that n950 I wanted to sell Jun 26 10:10:52 Yeah? Jun 26 10:11:37 I'm still having issues with navigating the thing, I think there's something wrong with my fingers and not the phone, but other than that I've started to like it a lot. I'm glad I didn't just throw it away like I was going to do ... Jun 26 10:11:55 heh Jun 26 10:12:12 japh: one sold on ebay in the last month for £920 GBP Jun 26 10:12:33 What?? Jun 26 10:12:38 That is around 1150 euros. Jun 26 10:12:44 oh dear that's insane Jun 26 10:13:00 japh: that is how insanely rare they are. Jun 26 10:14:05 you could even sell abroken one for a couple of hundreds. Jun 26 10:14:06 I read an article on one of the maemo/meego news sites yesterday that nokia was going to hand out a bunch of n9{,50}s this summer? Jun 26 10:14:15 Oh wow. Jun 26 10:14:21 I'm not really seeing why they would do that since I thought they had left us to rot Jun 26 10:14:25 You do not keep up with TMO do you? Jun 26 10:14:29 TMO? Jun 26 10:14:35 talk.maemo.org Jun 26 10:14:39 no Jun 26 10:14:40 japh: yesterday? Jun 26 10:14:45 The main forum for maemo. Jun 26 10:14:48 there was a recent round of giveaways Jun 26 10:14:57 People there would trade you their left nut for that n950. Jun 26 10:15:00 lol Jun 26 10:15:11 I'm not that fond of forums, I prefer mail Jun 26 10:15:31 There is so much rage and butthurt WRT people who did not win you can almost cut it. Jun 26 10:15:45 hah Jun 26 10:16:20 I'd wanted the n950 since I first read about it but I gave it up when I realized this wasn't something I could buy for money Jun 26 10:16:54 Fortunatley, I was awarded one. Jun 26 10:16:59 and then all of a sudden when I was thinking about if I should go grab that damn n9 anyway, despite it not having a keyboard, someone came along 'hey want this?' Jun 26 10:16:59 It was controversial. Jun 26 10:17:09 are you a dev? Jun 26 10:17:15 nope. Jun 26 10:17:20 or was it your charm? Jun 26 10:17:21 maybe. Jun 26 10:17:25 what is a dev? Jun 26 10:17:35 * SpeedEvil dreams of a world in which nokia decides to release specs for all of its non-lumia handsets, and enable community dev. Jun 26 10:17:50 * vi__ drools at speedevils phantasm. Jun 26 10:17:50 a special character Jun 26 10:17:58 heh. Jun 26 10:18:13 I have been hanging around the forum daily for ~ 2 years now. Jun 26 10:18:22 I generally fix peoples problems. Jun 26 10:18:24 troll. Jun 26 10:18:25 japh, nokia's currently handing them out right now. Jun 26 10:18:28 write scripts. Jun 26 10:18:28 you're a fixer! Jun 26 10:18:33 troll. Jun 26 10:18:40 push fremantle as far as it can go. Jun 26 10:18:41 hurrian, okay. surely not to me Jun 26 10:18:43 troll. Jun 26 10:18:47 .oO(or should I try?) Jun 26 10:19:15 japh: you are too late. Jun 26 10:19:44 that's what the girls always say :( Jun 26 10:20:20 vi__, apparently the fires have spread all over the forum c/o certain characters Jun 26 10:20:36 well what do you think, is the n9 even worth not having a real keyboard, or should I instead buy more n900's like I was going to in the first place? Jun 26 10:20:43 japh, moar N900s Jun 26 10:20:47 yeah Jun 26 10:20:50 really love this device. Jun 26 10:20:54 MOAR N900s!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jun 26 10:20:55 I just wish it had 2 x ram Jun 26 10:21:16 japh, compcache and 805MHz fixes most lack-of-ram problems Jun 26 10:21:18 Hurrian: It would be fine if 1 member of the council could to learn to keep his fucking outh shut sometimes. Jun 26 10:21:39 please don't laugh but I haven't overclocked my device Jun 26 10:21:41 other than that, you can't really expect to run crazy shit quickly on the phone Jun 26 10:21:43 japh: they are working on thumb2 alternatives which frees some ram Jun 26 10:21:52 about the ram, i have swap on microsd only, seems to of improved performance quite a bit Jun 26 10:22:09 I tried for 2 hours getting that damn sd card into the phone Jun 26 10:22:17 again - my fingers are not compatible Jun 26 10:22:27 2 hours? Jun 26 10:22:27 hehe Jun 26 10:22:36 whoa Jun 26 10:22:37 you tried to fit a SD card into a uSD slot? Jun 26 10:22:37 I'm pretty sure I could do it with my nose in that time. Jun 26 10:22:39 it's insanely small!! Jun 26 10:22:47 vi__, :p Jun 26 10:22:47 no Jun 26 10:22:58 speedevil, great, come on over Jun 26 10:23:02 japh, you probably literally have sausage fingers Jun 26 10:23:07 I can let you touch my n950 Jun 26 10:23:09 japh: that means you have one of the first n950s. The prototypes. Jun 26 10:23:11 hurrian, yes Jun 26 10:23:17 Actually - I'm wrong. Jun 26 10:23:19 can I have a video of the nose part? Jun 26 10:23:21 vi__, o.o Jun 26 10:23:24 I can't push the slider over with my nose Jun 26 10:23:47 AFAIK the first n950s had a uSD slot and a 12MP camera. Jun 26 10:23:47 vi__, no, I tried to get the microsd card into my n900 Jun 26 10:23:56 mhm... Jun 26 10:24:03 later they had none+8MP camera. Jun 26 10:24:05 so are there 2 models? I haven't seen that Jun 26 10:24:08 hmmm Jun 26 10:24:28 what I've read however is that there's supposed to be an fm transmitter, but I for sure can not find it Jun 26 10:24:29 My n950 has a 18MP camera*. Jun 26 10:24:30 vi__, that was the Jessie's Girl N950, right? Jun 26 10:24:32 the silver one? Jun 26 10:24:33 *(may be a lie) Jun 26 10:24:41 vi__: it was discussed that 8MP/ws must be 12MP 4:3.... Jun 26 10:24:51 japh: o0 Maybe you should seek medial attention if you cannot manipulate somthing like an uSD card. Jun 26 10:25:03 :( Jun 26 10:25:16 japh, it's said that they have fm chips, just missing antennas iirc Jun 26 10:25:35 chem|st: yeah, so the hardware is capabale of 12MP but it is crippled in software. Jun 26 10:25:41 hurrian, hms :s Jun 26 10:25:45 ? Jun 26 10:27:35 what's the leasy sucky alternative to the n9xx's if we're looking at nonnokia stuff? I guess there's still nothing that plays in the same league? Jun 26 10:27:46 I've learned that android I do not want Jun 26 10:27:47 japh, nothing. Jun 26 10:27:53 japh, lol Jun 26 10:28:11 all the keyboard droids suck Jun 26 10:28:32 you know what $vendors seem to focus on is new shiny wallpapers Jun 26 10:28:37 I don't want wallpapers. Jun 26 10:28:41 My eyes were opened to android when I asked My friend tp play a video on a uSD card from my video camera. Jun 26 10:28:43 I want my terminal and a keyboard Jun 26 10:29:01 First he had to reboot the device to put the uSD in the phone. Jun 26 10:29:17 vi__, yep, vold is fucked up Jun 26 10:29:20 it's a bit like for every new ubuntu release. The number one most important change is new theme, new font or new wallpapers Jun 26 10:29:28 Then spent the next 20 minutes trying to find a 'mediaplayer' that would work. Jun 26 10:29:28 hehe Jun 26 10:30:09 Pro this, lite that; they were all shit and had adverts on them. Jun 26 10:30:09 oh man I almost started crying yesterday when I found someone had been kind enough to build mplayer for n950 Jun 26 10:30:16 I was about to give up Jun 26 10:30:21 What a squalid arse train. Jun 26 10:30:35 the android media scanner is the only indexer more broken than tracker on the N900 Jun 26 10:30:55 Why does everyone rag on tracker? Jun 26 10:31:02 It works fine! Jun 26 10:31:11 is it that damn thing that's like locate? Jun 26 10:31:44 japh: tracker indexes all the media on the N900. Jun 26 10:31:50 vi__, it simply needs to be able to incrementally update indexes Jun 26 10:32:10 100% CPU for a few minutes is not acceptable Jun 26 10:32:13 Hurrian: It does. Jun 26 10:32:34 hmm. right. Jun 26 10:32:38 not sure why I'd ever need that Jun 26 10:32:49 freemangordon: finally got my scratchbox setup and building fennec Jun 26 10:32:49 * japh go checks for the power off switch Jun 26 10:33:22 much quicker :) Jun 26 10:33:30 tracker starts to suck when people put it into low memory mode and renice it to 20 Jun 26 10:34:07 but where does its indexing come into use? when you use that default crappy filemanager? Jun 26 10:34:17 vi__, yup, it uses an absurd amount of CPU in lowmem and highmem, so I said fuck it, and let it run in highmem instead of waiting hours in lowmem Jun 26 10:35:04 japh: It is used for the media player and search features. Jun 26 10:35:10 it should be ionice'd not renice'd Jun 26 10:35:21 (re. tracker) Jun 26 10:36:32 the media player isn't particulary userfriendly and there's lots of that it's having problems with playing Jun 26 10:37:04 japh, meh, the lack of gapless is the only showstopper for me Jun 26 10:37:05 maybe that's because I'm certainly one of the few people who haven't overclocked :p Jun 26 10:37:11 but mplayer works really nicely Jun 26 10:37:20 install OMP, it definitely works quire nicely for music playback Jun 26 10:37:21 japh: It sounds to me like smartphones are not for you. I have a dusty 486DX here with a terminal emulator. Jun 26 10:37:29 If you want it. Jun 26 10:37:51 not sure where did came from Jun 26 10:37:55 japh: wait I thought we were talking about the n950? Jun 26 10:38:39 vi__, I'm still using the n900 at work, and if there's no way to get the fm transmitter going in the n950 I'll continue doing so Jun 26 10:39:58 Lo anyone familiar with the background image sets? Jun 26 10:40:32 ask! Jun 26 10:40:33 I can see each image set in MyDocs/.images has a .desktop file - so I'm thinking without this .desktop file - the image set won't show up in the list of those available Jun 26 10:40:50 I've found that buggy as hell Jun 26 10:41:22 The only exceptions are digital_nature5_0*.jpg (4 files) which are used by a theme ... and nseries_0*.jpg (also 4 files) for another theme Jun 26 10:41:22 https://github.com/trapd00r/n900/blob/master/set_random_wallpapers is what I do Jun 26 10:41:33 as you might notice I'm not an sh guy Jun 26 10:41:58 but I've noticed there are 3 unaccounted for files in .images that come on the eMMC ... 40_stripes1.jpg 40_stripes2.jpg and 40_stripes3.jpg (only 3 files) Jun 26 10:42:04 like it's an unfinished image set Jun 26 10:42:51 freemangordon: I need to bump the kernel-headers in the toolchains Jun 26 10:42:52 want wallpapers? Jun 26 10:44:54 freemangordon: what kernel-header pkg fixed the procinfo.h dependency with mozilla? I rootstrapped a new target the other day and obviously ended up with the wrong headers... Jun 26 10:46:55 40_stripes4.jpg is essentially missing - as is it's .desktop file Jun 26 10:47:03 on all N900's Jun 26 11:00:35 Hello! Is it possible to get a framebuffer console using "kernel-power" on the N900? Jun 26 11:02:39 zeq: kernel-cssu-headers Jun 26 11:02:57 I seem to have broken python :/ Jun 26 11:03:19 but lenux-kernel-headers from SDK repo should do the job too Jun 26 11:03:24 *linux Jun 26 11:05:40 I probably forgot to use fakeroot when installing python2.5 Jun 26 11:06:08 seems to have fixed it Jun 26 11:07:44 kaawee: Yes it is! Jun 26 11:07:49 Modprobe fb-con! Jun 26 11:15:42 freemangordon: wtf? it's still dying on procinfo.h Jun 26 11:18:13 freemangordon: what's your linux/version.h version? Jun 26 11:18:23 Would there be any issues with packaging the image sets that come on the eMMC as seperate debian packages? Jun 26 11:22:31 zeq: #define LINUX_VERSION_CODE 132636 Jun 26 11:23:34 #define LINUX_VERSION_CODE 132630 Jun 26 11:23:55 you had the same problem before, when I had 132636 Jun 26 11:24:07 yeah, yhe same problem i had, just install kernel-cssu-headers Jun 26 11:25:09 it's worked this time Jun 26 11:25:19 probably forgot fakeroot again :S Jun 26 11:26:11 I'll remember eventually Jun 26 11:26:43 all problems hopefully now fixed Jun 26 11:27:03 did you try a build with egl-render? Jun 26 11:28:54 still trying, need to overcome some gcc incompatibilities Jun 26 11:29:21 which gcc are you using? Jun 26 11:30:24 4.6.2 Jun 26 11:30:39 you could try one of the ones I've packaged Jun 26 11:30:47 (i.e. i keep the focus in fennec :) ) Jun 26 11:30:51 sure Jun 26 11:32:04 I'm surprised I didn't get any feedback given people have been downloading Jun 26 11:33:14 4.7 seems the most popular Jun 26 11:34:11 eater libc # grep linaro-4.7 /var/log/apache2/access_log| wc -l Jun 26 11:34:11 26 Jun 26 11:34:11 eater libc # grep linaro-4.6 /var/log/apache2/access_log| wc -l Jun 26 11:34:11 14 Jun 26 11:34:11 eater libc # grep gcc-4.6 /var/log/apache2/access_log| wc -l Jun 26 11:34:14 4 Jun 26 11:34:16 eater libc # Jun 26 11:34:31 wow Jun 26 11:36:00 actually, there's some dupes Jun 26 11:36:13 lets try again... Jun 26 11:38:03 eater libc # grep linaro-4.7 /var/log/apache2/access_log| awk -F" " '{ print $1 " " $7 }' | sort | uniq | wc -l Jun 26 11:38:06 16 Jun 26 11:38:09 eater libc # grep linaro-4.6 /var/log/apache2/access_log| awk -F" " '{ print $1 " " $7 }' | sort | uniq | wc -l Jun 26 11:38:12 8 Jun 26 11:38:14 eater libc # grep gcc-4.6 /var/log/apache2/access_log| awk -F" " '{ print $1 " " $7 }' | sort | uniq | wc -l Jun 26 11:38:17 4 Jun 26 11:39:06 still quite a few Jun 26 11:40:39 so, who out there has tried it? Jun 26 12:03:15 fennec with egl built, lets try it Jun 26 12:13:08 is the tmo trolling/flaming ever going to stop? Jun 26 12:14:57 merlin1991: it's the internet; ergo, no Jun 26 12:14:58 zeq: egl don't help, seems after all Qt is the only way Jun 26 12:15:05 :( Jun 26 12:15:27 * freemangordon is afk Jun 26 12:15:31 StyXman: true, but tom used to be at least semi productive :/ Jun 26 12:15:44 s/tom/tmo/ Jun 26 12:15:44 merlin1991 meant: StyXman: true, but tmo used to be at least semi productive :/ Jun 26 12:15:47 I seem to have discovered why the headers keep getting wrong version. As suspected, it's the version in the toolchain Jun 26 12:28:44 merlin1991: it's not about flame and trolling, there is point that was never answered or discussed. i know few people there actually take it in more personal places, but after all there were few question asked and only few got answer Jun 26 12:29:09 ZogG_laptop: it reached a point where it is Jun 26 12:29:27 about 80% of each thread in question is down to non constructive flame/trolling Jun 26 12:33:08 merlin1991: yeah most people go personal, but it's sad but most council go this way too, that's why no point rechead and the meeting made it worse. i hope you saw how they called the topic and what was discussed? if no it was few lines how leaders always hated and that Arie is in ignore list. and not why it happened and how to prevent and what lesson was learned Jun 26 12:33:44 could you link me the log? Jun 26 12:33:48 merlin1991: as i said before, you let it go once, it starts to be normal, that's why the second time it was proven that they acted not ethic Jun 26 12:35:07 merlin1991: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-meeting-irclog/%23maemo-meeting.2012-06-22.log.html#t2012-06-22T21:19:56 Jun 26 12:38:47 the really odd thing is that people keep claiming that there are *some* undeserving winners, and name a few *better* candidates, but nobody seems to like to pin point who who shouldn't have gotten a device (besides council) Jun 26 12:39:27 I think giving one to Elop was totally misguided. Jun 26 12:39:43 Even when it came with illustrated guides as to where to put it. Jun 26 12:40:15 why not he might just learn there was something called MeeGo around in nokia Jun 26 12:40:35 Worst thing could happen is he might like it Jun 26 12:41:04 merlin1991: i don't care about anyone except council, as i'm logical and know that here i can't say anything, even i do have few names. it just wouldn't be fair from me to do it. as it's not about who deserve and who doesn't Jun 26 12:41:50 on other hand if council made this they may gave few friends, but again — less interested in this, more interested in not ethic self nomination and than ignoring it Jun 26 12:44:51 merlin1991: just to get clear, there were few posts like — http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1227626&postcount=37 . mostly polite, all info gathered and just to point out something, and most didn't get response, or the same answer all over again while selecting only parts to answer Jun 26 12:46:01 yeah I've read that post, it seemed to be the exception to the rule Jun 26 12:49:10 merlin1991: it's just sums of posts and points before btw Jun 26 12:50:03 merlin1991: you just didn't see them as council mostly answered other posts =) Jun 26 13:10:01 DocScrutinizer; nope not yet Jun 26 13:10:29 haven't even checked tracking Jun 26 13:19:20 * zeq is afk Jun 26 13:22:26 ZogG_laptop: Funny thing is I have not seen you around TMO, IRC or mailing list. Ever. Have you been playing the long troll all along? Jun 26 13:33:40 Estel_ I gave SecuROM the middle finger, cracked launcher + real serial. Apparently that worked on MP just fine Jun 26 13:35:44 Hey Estel, how you doing? Jun 26 13:40:18 just trying xchat on my n900 Jun 26 13:40:35 anyone's using it too? Jun 26 13:41:06 ~xchat Jun 26 13:41:07 rumour has it, xchat is an IRC client for unix and windows at http://www.xchat.org or http://www.silverex.org/news/ Jun 26 13:41:21 DocScrutinizer51: ping Jun 26 13:41:29 geeze there is like 5 docs Jun 26 13:42:19 must admit it's rather crap with default settings :D Jun 26 13:42:23 sEKI: you are enjoying xchat? Jun 26 13:42:40 as above ;) Jun 26 13:42:57 sEKI: Yes it is. If DocScrutinizer51 turns up at any point he will point you towards his 'config'. Jun 26 13:43:11 sEKI: It is the de-facto way to use xchat on the n900. Jun 26 13:43:19 (I prefer irssi) Jun 26 13:44:02 I'd love to see his config... Jun 26 13:44:36 i still have a n900 with a broken camera module Jun 26 13:44:42 I'll be dead honest, can't see a thing and my eyes hurt... Jun 26 13:44:58 thankgod i found a Turk who can fix it forme Jun 26 13:45:05 A Turk and his Dremel Jun 26 13:45:31 I though they only do kebabs ;) Jun 26 13:48:35 will anyone believe if I say I've never used IRC?! Jun 26 13:49:48 but arent you on irc right now Jun 26 13:49:58 basically invalidating your claim! Jun 26 13:50:53 ... until today :D was that not obvious? :P Jun 26 13:51:36 :) Jun 26 13:51:42 just teasing you! Jun 26 13:52:20 yeah, don't seem to be going much around here is it? Jun 26 13:54:31 that depends Jun 26 13:54:41 mostly its not that much on-topic here Jun 26 13:54:52 but irc is very much talking with delay Jun 26 13:54:59 say something now and have someone else react in 4 hours Jun 26 13:55:11 besides, quality beats quantity! Jun 26 14:05:44 ?? Jun 26 14:06:22 vi__: the 51 isb't all that bad, only I *forgot my N900 @ home* today :-S Jun 26 14:06:29 hey Doc can you share your config for xchat? Jun 26 14:06:40 ~jrtools Jun 26 14:06:42 i heard jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Jun 26 14:06:52 one dir up, then ->xchat Jun 26 14:07:05 copy to your ~/.xchat2/ Jun 26 14:07:09 sEKI: there ya go. Jun 26 14:07:12 DocScrutinizer05: cheers, Jun 26 14:07:15 ^,/. Jun 26 14:07:17 cheers Jun 26 14:08:13 xchat, for when just text to display text is not enough Jun 26 14:08:33 ;-P Jun 26 14:09:00 s/xchat/M$-word/ Jun 26 14:09:11 why is it M$ Jun 26 14:09:17 because its a company that wants to make a profit? Jun 26 14:09:29 you do know that you might as well type OMG ROFL I PLAY COD OMG LOL Jun 26 14:09:33 and it would look just as intelligent Jun 26 14:09:54 do you know how much I care? Jun 26 14:10:04 enough to react Jun 26 14:10:26 google for "M$" Jun 26 14:10:37 you'll find it's a meme or whatever Jun 26 14:10:46 anyway well established Jun 26 14:11:05 hardly an argument that its well established or that its a meme Jun 26 14:11:10 but good enough for me to let you hide behind it:) Jun 26 14:11:31 everybody knows M$, while with ms at the latest you will encounter shrugs Jun 26 14:11:46 yes MS is evil, not Nokia Jun 26 14:12:00 nokia doesnt like profit:) Jun 26 14:12:03 again, I don't give a shit Jun 26 14:12:09 enough to still be talking about it Jun 26 14:12:18 but ill help you out, ill go do something else:) Jun 26 14:12:20 yeah, while I should ignore you Jun 26 14:12:26 and continue my daywork Jun 26 14:12:28 lets both stop and save the channel! Jun 26 14:12:31 :) Jun 26 14:12:39 as you fool don't pay me for chatting with you Jun 26 14:12:49 i already finished todays work Jun 26 14:12:58 5am til 3pm :< Jun 26 14:13:14 good luck with your work! Jun 26 14:17:19 \QUIT going home, see you later Jun 26 14:25:00 megaseconds or megabucks Jun 26 14:43:17 the council meeting report on my google reader states that some people on TMO are crazy :< Jun 26 15:01:51 vi__: the funny thing i'm on #harmattan for past year and you can track me on TMO, i'm not the great contributor but i helped here and there and also translated for dev friends and tested and bug reported. and on #maemo i was active about 2 years ago till my n900 died, and few people actually know me. and even after the fight i still stood on my promise and added what i promised for non official council member request for some howto Jun 26 15:03:06 vi__: but still i don't care about me as in CA i don't deserve a device, i won one on other program and i think it's not like i deserve their, just there were not a lot people there and i was enuf comparing to some of others there Jun 26 15:05:07 vi__: but if you want to take it personal i wouldn't defence or attack back, as it's kinda stupid as i might say u in face that i doubt you deserve device more than others, but i don't judge or care of it, as i think it's okay with council if they not perfectly objective as they can't follow everyone and they still human. and there would be always different opinions. so it's more personal and is not relevant while what is relevant c Jun 26 15:10:10 ~logs Jun 26 15:10:12 All conversations are logged to http://infobot.rikers.org/%23maemo/ Lines starting with spaces are not logged. Logs are updated daily. Jun 26 15:12:23 vi__: i was lagged and didn't get response and don't know if you got my 3 msgs Jun 26 15:13:14 i see in log they are not there Jun 26 15:13:19 than i'll repeat Jun 26 15:13:37 vi__: the funny thing i'm on #harmattan for past year and you can track me on TMO, i'm not the great contributor but i helped here and there and also translated for dev friends and tested and bug reported. and on #maemo i was active about 2 years ago till my n900 died, and few people actually know me. and even after the fight i still stood on my promise and added what i promised for non official council member request for some howto Jun 26 15:13:48 vi__: but still i don't care about me as in CA i don't deserve a device, i won one on other program and i think it's not like i deserve their, just there were not a lot people there and i was enuf comparing to some of others there Jun 26 15:13:55 vi__: but if you want to take it personal i wouldn't defence or attack back, as it's kinda stupid as i might say u in face that i doubt you deserve device more than others, but i don't judge or care of it, as i think it's okay with council if they not perfectly objective as they can't follow everyone and they still human. and there would be always different opinions. so it's more personal and is not relevant while what is relevant council benefits vs Jun 26 15:15:13 vi__: and if you want i can get the references from members you know if you want Jun 26 15:15:39 ~ping Jun 26 15:15:41 ~pong Jun 26 15:42:58 switched to Joerg's configs... bloody hell what a difference! Jun 26 15:44:16 thanks :-D Jun 26 15:44:46 xchat is usable now :D Jun 26 15:45:57 well, time to go home, have some soldering to do, my wifes laptop was on fire yesterday :D Jun 26 15:53:47 sEKI: lol Jun 26 15:58:14 coming home, starting my mail client, and the maemo mailing list ist full of nonsense. Jun 26 15:58:41 *sigh* Jun 26 15:58:49 unfortunately Jun 26 15:59:38 freemangordon: hi Jun 26 15:59:55 hi Jun 26 16:00:08 I'd got in a bit of a mess on my N900 with libstdc++ versions and partial qt installs Jun 26 16:00:11 any progress with Qt rotation? Jun 26 16:00:13 just tested fennec Jun 26 16:00:21 and? Jun 26 16:00:22 it's not rotating at all Jun 26 16:00:32 that's goo Jun 26 16:00:36 it is? Jun 26 16:00:41 I suppose ;) Jun 26 16:00:41 seems it is forced rotation then Jun 26 16:00:58 going to disable it here and try again Jun 26 16:01:07 just turned on forced and it crashed Jun 26 16:01:07 you have forced rotation enabled? Jun 26 16:01:14 what? Jun 26 16:01:22 ctrl-fn-r Jun 26 16:01:25 then I rotated Jun 26 16:01:31 it rotated, then crashed Jun 26 16:01:35 zeq: not that way Jun 26 16:01:51 edit /etc/share/hildon-desktop/transitions.ini Jun 26 16:01:55 ok Jun 26 16:02:03 look at CSSU wiki for instructions Jun 26 16:02:14 do ^^^ first Jun 26 16:02:27 while I am re-building qt version Jun 26 16:02:32 doesn't ctrl-fn-r have a similar effect? Jun 26 16:03:01 I think that was disabled, but anyway, this is not the way to go Jun 26 16:04:09 it definitely did something :P Jun 26 16:04:56 crashed fennec? Jun 26 16:04:59 :P Jun 26 16:05:23 yes Jun 26 16:05:35 can you give me a page reference? Jun 26 16:06:17 nm Jun 26 16:06:36 http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Features/hildon-desktop#Editing_transitions.ini Jun 26 16:06:54 in short you should set force_rotation to 1 and reboot Jun 26 16:09:06 didn't need to reboot Jun 26 16:09:18 hmm, strange Jun 26 16:09:26 rotation works but resize only works landscape->portrate Jun 26 16:09:34 yep Jun 26 16:09:54 or portrait->landscape Jun 26 16:09:59 or not at all Jun 26 16:09:59 then the screen widgets stop repostioning/resizing Jun 26 16:10:23 it's sort of working Jun 26 16:10:24 kinda Jun 26 16:10:30 yes, that is the problem. although side pane are always resized correctly Jun 26 16:10:34 Bah, blessn900 instareboots my phone these days. No idea if it's a cssu-thumb or what. I hate that proprietary piece of sortware. Jun 26 16:10:45 notice some elements are respostioning correctly Jun 26 16:10:50 zeq: yep, kinda Jun 26 16:11:14 Raimu: any oopses? Jun 26 16:11:25 the off the left and side panel gets resized correctly Jun 26 16:11:30 yep Jun 26 16:11:44 freemangordon: Oopses? It just blows up at starting the app, can't get logs I think. Jun 26 16:11:46 it is only the page which got screwed most of the time Jun 26 16:11:49 actually I think it is working Jun 26 16:11:59 Raimu: /dev/mtd2 Jun 26 16:12:08 oh no, what am I talking about? Jun 26 16:12:20 zeq: from time to time it is Jun 26 16:12:33 ok I think I get it Jun 26 16:12:33 but usually no, still cannot grok it Jun 26 16:12:54 horizontal startup -> portrate: ok Jun 26 16:13:09 s/portrate/portrait/ Jun 26 16:13:10 zeq meant: horizontal startup -> portrait: ok Jun 26 16:13:26 zeq: no, it is not ok Jun 26 16:13:39 portrait -> horizontal: main area not resizing horizontally Jun 26 16:13:55 the startup page is not shown correectly, it is vut at the bottom Jun 26 16:14:03 *cut Jun 26 16:14:14 horizontal -> portrait: shifted onto side panel, but actually ok Jun 26 16:15:05 url bar shrinks but doesn't regrow Jun 26 16:15:27 same as main page area Jun 26 16:15:45 zeq: it is different almost every time Jun 26 16:16:04 ok, I'll restart and try again, see what happens Jun 26 16:17:51 this time screen elements aren't getting resized *at all* Jun 26 16:17:55 ????? Jun 26 16:18:06 freemangordon: got it Jun 26 16:18:38 freemangordon: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/24357139/mtd2-raimu.txt Jun 26 16:18:48 I'm going to look at the code... Jun 26 16:21:28 Raimu: you don't have enough free RAM man, I was getting those while I was experimenting with compcache. remove it. it is not needed wit cssu-thumb ;) Jun 26 16:21:46 freemangordon: did you see these: 17:18 < Raimu> freemangordon: got it Jun 26 16:21:55 yep Jun 26 16:21:58 sorry Jun 26 16:22:03 cut and paste error Jun 26 16:22:04 and i looked at oops Jun 26 16:22:08 mNeedsResize = false; Jun 26 16:22:08 mNeedsMove = false; Jun 26 16:22:08 mListenForResizes = false; Jun 26 16:22:19 Raimu: are you using compcache? Jun 26 16:22:25 yes Jun 26 16:22:29 ok Jun 26 16:22:35 vi__: Yep, 64mb. Jun 26 16:22:48 Raimu: Did you copy the settings from the forum? Jun 26 16:22:51 zeq: where is that from Jun 26 16:23:00 vi__: Pretty much, yeah. Jun 26 16:23:04 aaah, yes, it is vi__ to blame Jun 26 16:23:19 * vi__ aww shucks. Jun 26 16:23:20 widget/qt/nsWindow.cpp Jun 26 16:23:20 I did alter a bunch of them, though. Jun 26 16:23:27 Raimu: oh god Jun 26 16:23:33 vi__: here is you answer why it hurts when you pee Jun 26 16:23:40 :P Jun 26 16:23:44 ! Jun 26 16:23:55 I feel like Bruce Campbell having picked up the Necronomicon without saying the right words. Jun 26 16:23:58 Raimu, you must remove the line about min_free_kb Jun 26 16:24:00 freemangordon: I'm just searching through the code for "resize" Jun 26 16:24:19 Raimu: increase that to at least 8M Jun 26 16:24:24 Raimu: Gort! Klaatu! Barrada! Nikto! Jun 26 16:24:38 vi__: Klaatu! Barata! *ahemhem* Jun 26 16:24:40 * Raimu leers Jun 26 16:24:44 freemangordon: Just leave it at default and it is fine. Jun 26 16:24:49 yep Jun 26 16:24:55 Raimu: Gort! Klaatu! Baracard... necktie...? Jun 26 16:25:03 ^_- Jun 26 16:25:04 Default is 2048 Jun 26 16:25:30 Raimu: Do not change the min_free_kb value when you start compcache. Jun 26 16:25:50 In fact delete it from whatever you are using to set your VM settings. Jun 26 16:25:53 Yeah, got that. I think I was never dumb enough to make it 32, but I think I did halven it or something. Jun 26 16:26:16 ...It didnt seem dumb at the time -_- Jun 26 16:26:22 Yeah, not blaming you. Jun 26 16:26:31 I'm to blame for whatever I do to muck up my phone. Jun 26 16:26:46 Just if things get fixed in the process, better. Jun 26 16:26:54 zeq: maybe some traces of these will help a lot Jun 26 16:27:20 unfortunately at this point compcache brings only problems Jun 26 16:27:24 Oh, yeah, I wanted to ask about one of the kernel's VM features. Jun 26 16:27:48 What use is the "overcommit_memory" feature in the kernel? It sounds like a recipe for disaster, donnit? Jun 26 16:27:57 freemangordon: WFM. Needs a little refresh from time to time. Jun 26 16:28:12 vi__: tried thumb? Jun 26 16:28:18 freemangordon: admitedly no. Jun 26 16:28:33 I was waiting for the stunt lemmings to find the proiblems first. Jun 26 16:28:36 freemangordon: Hey, is there a reason the compcache baked into KP doesn't give out the stats when rzc asks for them? Jun 26 16:28:49 Raimu: stats is turned off. Jun 26 16:28:52 yep, stats are disabled (by me :P ) Jun 26 16:28:55 Oh, why? Jun 26 16:29:01 performance reasons Jun 26 16:29:12 there are several spinlocks there Jun 26 16:29:39 which are used ONLY for stats Jun 26 16:29:56 And why was that backing swap thing incompatible with the kernel-as-we-have-it? Jun 26 16:30:02 vi__: you'd better try thumb, no problems so far Jun 26 16:30:07 Ah, I see. Jun 26 16:30:12 freemangordon: Is that a threat! Jun 26 16:30:21 Raimu: it is, just that performance is horrible Jun 26 16:30:38 freemangordon: I fully intend to in the next couple of days, I am in the middle of moving houe right now. Jun 26 16:30:47 vi__: well, I can say what I want :P:P:P Jun 26 16:30:47 ^house. Jun 26 16:30:53 hah Jun 26 16:30:59 aah, not the best time Jun 26 16:31:03 I shall afford you that right! Jun 26 16:31:12 freemangordon: The backing swap is sucky in performance? Jun 26 16:31:20 more than sucky Jun 26 16:31:53 as long as BS is hit, you have to power down Jun 26 16:32:26 well, not THAt bad, but still Jun 26 16:32:29 So, basically when the BS is hit, BS hits the fan. Jun 26 16:32:30 freemangordon: is this due to swap thrashing? Jun 26 16:32:36 Raimu: !!! Jun 26 16:32:51 Raimu: exactly :) Jun 26 16:33:08 How do I enable backing swap? Jun 26 16:33:09 vi__: it writes one page a time Jun 26 16:33:50 and does that when the system is short in memory Jun 26 16:33:57 iirc Jun 26 16:34:17 Wasn't it supposed to, for example, put things in the backing swap when things aren't used often or when they aren't compressed well enough? Jun 26 16:34:22 That's what I read in the zram docs. Jun 26 16:34:38 I guess if it's implemented all the way to hell, it's not that nice. Jun 26 16:34:56 I remember reading lkml a while back when there was a discussion about writing out multiple pages to eMMC Jun 26 16:35:19 I don't know if a patch ever saw the light of day Jun 26 16:35:44 it would *really* help out swap performance Jun 26 16:36:28 freemangordon: there seems to be serveral functions in nsWindow.cpp relating to resizing Jun 26 16:36:39 The righ way is a circular buffer swap, with defragmentation Jun 26 16:36:42 pretty much Jun 26 16:36:46 we may just need to set a flag Jun 26 16:36:47 so it's _always_ written in-order. Jun 26 16:37:00 And defragments as it goes. Jun 26 16:37:01 no need to listen for rotation events? Jun 26 16:37:05 zeq: it is still building here so there is not much i can do right now but to look at the code Jun 26 16:37:16 what have you changed? Jun 26 16:37:28 zeq: gtk2->qt ;) Jun 26 16:37:41 ah ok Jun 26 16:37:45 zeq: it listens for rotation events Jun 26 16:38:10 #if (MOZ_PLATFORM_MAEMO == 5) Jun 26 16:38:10 QObject::connect(QApplication::desktop(), SIGNAL(resized(int)), Jun 26 16:38:10 mWidget, SLOT(orientationChanged())); Jun 26 16:38:10 #else Jun 26 16:39:43 I saw your code, but I wonder if it's needed at all. Maybe a flag will make it automatic Jun 26 16:45:41 freemangordon: do you want to join me on #mobile @irc.mozilla.org Jun 26 16:46:46 I'm going to ask romaxa for advise Jun 26 16:46:53 zeq: sure Jun 26 16:47:09 I'll wait for you to join Jun 26 16:47:30 what is the exact channel? Jun 26 16:47:42 zeq:^^^ Jun 26 16:47:48 #mobile Jun 26 16:47:59 on the irc.mozilla.org server Jun 26 16:48:14 aah. need to setup that Jun 26 16:59:29 zeq: damn, even if with forced rotation disabled, fennec still tries to raotate when in task navigator Jun 26 17:00:22 freemangordon: it doesn't really matter if we get it working. Jun 26 17:00:44 ? Jun 26 17:01:17 zeq1: it matters for me :) Jun 26 17:01:41 if the window resizes correctly we want to rotate anyway Jun 26 17:02:32 why stuped facebook opens the mobile version? we have to do something for the user agent Jun 26 17:05:27 freemangordon: try about:config Jun 26 17:05:38 should be able to set the user agent there I think Jun 26 17:08:23 aaah, yes, it was about: config , stupid me Jun 26 17:08:49 :) Jun 26 17:08:59 phony is a great extension to switch between user agents Jun 26 17:09:27 ~ZogG Jun 26 17:09:29 methinks zogg is awesome Jun 26 17:09:45 i forgot about it Jun 26 17:09:48 Wnt: for firefox? Jun 26 17:09:54 freemangordon: yes Jun 26 17:10:02 hmm, going to install it Jun 26 17:12:35 romaxa has arrived Jun 26 17:12:43 freemangordon: ping Jun 26 17:14:01 zeq1: stop stalking people :P Jun 26 17:21:41 zeq1: I think that should be enough Jun 26 17:22:05 good hints Jun 26 17:22:16 Wnt: thanks for the tip, now FB opens its desktop version Jun 26 17:22:45 fennec was slow even on n9 :< Jun 26 17:22:46 freemangordon: great, no problem Jun 26 17:22:52 very sadly Jun 26 17:23:13 zeq1: yep, I think we have everything answered Jun 26 17:23:28 we can ping him again when we have more questions Jun 26 17:24:40 Lava_Croft: believe me or not, but it is absolutely usefull. and I am talking about desktop FB. It is only zoom that is slow Jun 26 17:25:28 oh, i wasnt in any way dissing its usefulness Jun 26 17:25:31 its just too bad that its so slow Jun 26 17:25:43 i completely get where they are trying to get to Jun 26 17:25:49 by usefull i menat fast enough to use it Jun 26 17:25:53 *meant Jun 26 17:26:01 for the stuff i mostly use during the day, opera is the fastest Jun 26 17:26:17 but more complex stuff works better in ff Jun 26 17:26:26 Lava_Croft: you might be surprised how fast fennec will be Jun 26 17:26:38 zeq1: i already notice how its becoming faster and faster Jun 26 17:26:44 the early stuff from over a year ago was horrible Jun 26 17:26:49 if not longer ago Jun 26 17:26:51 I mean our port Jun 26 17:26:54 ah! Jun 26 17:27:07 ill let myself by awesomely surprised then! Jun 26 17:27:15 be* Jun 26 17:27:33 * zeq1 is serving dinner Jun 26 17:27:37 Sc0rpius ? Jun 26 17:37:44 Raimu: (instareboot) sure thing, camaera kernel modules Jun 26 17:37:46 vi__, ping Jun 26 17:38:16 DocScrutinizer, you know what? chem|st closed topic You've mentioned, as per Your suggestion, then took few outcry posts, and created new topic for it Jun 26 17:38:28 which is 1:1 the same as old one Jun 26 17:38:38 I'm confused on this tactic :DF Jun 26 17:39:04 but, but, there are real issues. What a morons are Farnel electronic! Jun 26 17:39:05 hehe Jun 26 17:39:22 Thyey've charged 17 euro for shipping, and don't even have tracking ID! Jun 26 17:39:50 they've sent 200 gram device via normal LETTER and reject to handle ID, even though it's already post 2 weeks since sending Jun 26 17:40:01 and I mean raspberry Pi of course Jun 26 17:40:18 those idiots are explaining, that they have very high demand for Pi, so they weren't able to log Id of packages sent LOL Jun 26 17:41:20 zeq1: Did I tell you I am stupid? I closed irc window, now I don't have the function names anymore :( Jun 26 17:41:32 and #mobile don't have logs Jun 26 17:41:40 do you keep those? Jun 26 17:42:10 * DocScrutinizer51 snapshots a corn circle in stone Jun 26 17:45:19 oh, fortunately mirc keeps channel logs, pfew Jun 26 17:48:33 hehe Jun 26 17:48:58 I still have it open anyway Jun 26 17:50:07 freemangordon: I'm off to visit my gran in hospital. I'll be back in a couple of hours. Jun 26 18:15:01 freemangordon, is your work on improving fennec to be check anywhere, or not yet? Jun 26 18:17:07 Estel_: it is not my work ;). Seen as in? video or .deb? I can upload a .deb, but you MUST have cssu-thumb. do you? Jun 26 18:17:50 yes, but not in this device :( but, but, is it going to be put into repos, later? Or is it, rather "private" modification? I suspect the former :) Jun 26 18:27:08 Estel_: I meant that fennec n900 adaptation is not my work only, it is a work split between me and zeq. So, I don't know about zeq, but I don't plan to put fennec on any other place but thumb repo. I doubt that gcc 4.2.1 will be able to compile neon intrinstincs needed for performance it achieves being thumb/neon compiled Jun 26 18:28:01 sounds fair enough, I don't mind *any* new work being thumb only. After all, we got thumb working on purpose Jun 26 18:28:13 I'm planning to migrate to thumb in my main device too, ASAP Jun 26 18:28:54 good for you, you will feel the difference ;). Do a backup of course, just in case Jun 26 18:29:19 and have in mind that all SW that depends on KP have to be uninstalled Jun 26 18:29:39 ok, most of it, like KPS and cleven Jun 26 18:38:03 Estel_: on the side not I think you are using FUD pretty often, I am not native English speaker, but AIUI it is offensive beyond what you want your statement to be. While I am Slav (just as I suspect you are) and I understand what you're saying, I don't think that holds true for the native Engish speakers and non-slavonic population. Jun 26 18:38:34 hi, trying to build glib from cordia project on harmattan and it complains about gtk-docs, gtk-docs from gnome.org complains about gtk-docs utils. Is there a way to build glib without docs? I tried --disable-gtk-docs but it doesn't work Jun 26 18:38:55 Estel_: In short: you'd better watch your tone on TMO ;) Jun 26 18:40:10 Estel_: not that I have any problem with what you are saying, just a friendly piece of advice :P Jun 26 18:42:52 freemangordon, I understand. If You're reffering to my post aimed @ SD69, i Think it was like it was meant to be, as I felt accussed a little :) Jun 26 18:43:35 +, ust few hours ago, i told him that it isn't true, and provided links. I don't suspect abd will, just being careless on already heated thing Jun 26 18:43:45 anyway, i'm done with all post-CA outcry threrads for good Jun 26 18:43:51 definitely, much more productive things to do Jun 26 18:44:32 I don't care if they're going to ounslaughter themselves. I think you're right, that this thing started to get in my nerves too much Jun 26 18:44:58 and You're right, my bad to heat amosphere even more. Eh. Jun 26 18:44:58 yes, that post, but not only. I don't know about you, but I have a lot of contacts with western people and I can assure you, they just don grok our south way of thinking/expressing things. Jun 26 18:45:19 ah, true Jun 26 18:45:20 *don't Jun 26 18:45:53 yes, you're right, and You're definitely right about fact, that they take it 2x more heavily, than I would take it or mean, even when angered :) Jun 26 18:45:57 good catch. Jun 26 18:46:42 the same way as we don;t grock whay the hell it takes 5 sentences to say something that can be said with 5 words ;) Jun 26 18:47:53 yea :) Well... Thanks for advice, (hoever it sounds), as I msut say that it was one with most merit in it, and I got many "friendly advices" lately :D Jun 26 18:48:20 BTw, I suspect, that Scots are either more like us, or vi_ is Slav in disguise :P Jun 26 18:48:38 facts are facts in any language Jun 26 18:48:45 i'm not native too Jun 26 18:49:05 ZogG, like fact, that You've applied for Ca Yourself, and started to protest only, when You've lost? :D Jun 26 18:49:15 if you accuse or go personal it doesn't matter if you do it too much or less, it's the point of you going personal Jun 26 18:49:21 freemangordon, i'm doing better, yep? I've written two-liner. Jun 26 18:49:27 ZogG_lap1op: it is not about the language itself, but the wording Jun 26 18:49:29 Estel_: nope, i lost way before Jun 26 18:49:35 Estel_: sure thing Jun 26 18:50:04 I'm starting to get afraid of myself. soon, I'm going to write FU in 3 sentences :( Jun 26 18:50:27 you see how it's easy to make a laugth and like you are big guy that i just bug, so you want friends protection as you insecure and you joke with him in the middle Jun 26 18:50:30 nice touch =) Jun 26 18:50:50 ZogG, haven't You though about going for vacation? i've heard, that weather is nice where You live. Jun 26 18:50:51 ZogG_lap1op: I don;t know what nationality you are, but there is deffinitely a difference on how western/eastern people understand one and the same sentence Jun 26 18:51:05 it's holiday seasons, You know Jun 26 18:51:31 (3th sentence) You know that sitting before monitor and writing 3x A4 posts on TMO is unhealthy? Mind taking a short walk? Jun 26 18:51:49 i actully leaved in few countries and had experience with people from different nations Jun 26 18:51:57 wait on the phone with GF Jun 26 18:51:59 brb Jun 26 18:52:09 freemangordon: True, when I'm abroad with friends they keep asking us why are we arguing while we're just having a conversation Jun 26 18:52:22 * freemangordon is going off just before GF gets mad, bbl Jun 26 18:52:34 (slav mode on) ZogG, i jsut don't give a F***. i'm done with threads full of 4-5 people, that doesn't accept answrs and facts Jun 26 18:52:41 see ya, freemangordon Jun 26 18:53:51 fun fact - I moved my ass, and calculated. turned out, that 70% of people protesting for CA have beeb candidates themselves. Whi9ch, of course, isn't any conflict of interest, at all ;() Jun 26 18:54:36 especially, e-yes, who praised Community and Council in his submissions, yet, after losing, he posted one-liner about how he hate Council and Community. Hah! Jun 26 18:54:46 ~botsnack Jun 26 18:54:56 CA ftw \m/ Jun 26 18:54:57 qwazix_, yea, it's common Jun 26 18:54:58 lol Jun 26 18:55:15 шэь ифсл Jun 26 18:55:18 i'm back Jun 26 18:55:18 qwazix_, it's just difference of temper Jun 26 18:56:17 as You can see, we all missed, and waited. Jun 26 18:56:33 holding our breath. Jun 26 18:56:38 terrified. Jun 26 18:57:04 if You haven't decide to get a short summer walk. you know, we wouldn't be able to sleep. Jun 26 18:57:19 ok, enough of laughing around. Jun 26 18:57:23 time for work! Jun 26 18:57:48 i'm kinda slovacian related.i;m slavic Jun 26 18:58:12 Estel_: you talk to much and again insult me Jun 26 18:58:12 dang commies Jun 26 18:58:15 Estel_: what is the latest RE: what qgil asked for a while back .. a direction/vision for us ? Jun 26 18:58:28 Sicelo, :D Jun 26 18:58:35 yea, he should be carefull with what he wishes for Jun 26 18:58:40 even if it's you language, i think you know it insult people as you stated above Jun 26 18:58:47 hmm, ok Jun 26 18:58:49 ZogG, i'm not insulting You. I just asked if You don't want to enjoy summer walk. Jun 26 18:59:02 I'mcarrying about Your health, and You're aggressive? :( Jun 26 18:59:16 i'll just post the log Jun 26 18:59:31 no, please. We know how to use scrollback, for 4 lines above. Jun 26 18:59:39 who wants +q ? Jun 26 18:59:39 or at least, do it in zerobin and post link Jun 26 18:59:44 i mean at that thread Jun 26 18:59:53 DocScrutinizer, me, I should work, instead of discussing about CA :( Jun 26 19:00:03 thanks in advance Jun 26 19:00:21 i think it's not the first time here you have problems with that Jun 26 19:00:23 play nice, kids! Jun 26 19:00:44 DocScrutinizer05: btw i think you kicked me once for a joke =) Jun 26 19:00:54 anyway gonna post the log Jun 26 19:00:54 yea, it's not the first time I waste my time discutting with ZogG, instead of working :D Jun 26 19:01:03 *fanfares* Jun 26 19:01:34 *moment of movie-like tension...* Jun 26 19:01:53 * Estel_ is opening popcorn Jun 26 19:02:22 * Estel_ think that this movie is boring, nothing happen for 2 minutes already Jun 26 19:03:16 you got no idea *how* boring, for miost of chan members, since at least 10 min Jun 26 19:03:31 * Sicelo is still trying to parse your reply Estel_ :/ Jun 26 19:03:54 DocScrutinizer, belive me, I have idea... i'm just trying to be kind, you know Jun 26 19:04:06 Sicelo, it's possible that i've missunderstood You Jun 26 19:04:12 care to rephrase question about qgil?> Jun 26 19:04:53 vi__, ping Jun 26 20:41:43 M4rtinK: hi, I've got a question if you don't mind... Jun 26 20:42:50 qwazix_: no problem, go ahead :) Jun 26 20:45:37 I'm trying to build glib from cordia project for harmattan for some hours now, but it complains that i don't have gtk-docs installed Jun 26 20:46:21 M4rtinK: ping Jun 26 20:46:48 hmm is he cordia dev? Jun 26 20:46:53 qwazix_: ping Jun 26 20:47:00 crap, xchat crashed on me Jun 26 20:47:07 is M4rtinK or you cordia devs? Jun 26 20:47:15 anyway, I tried --disable-gtk-doc Jun 26 20:47:19 I think I just disabled it Jun 26 20:47:28 but it doesn't seem to do anything Jun 26 20:47:34 =\ Jun 26 20:47:43 I also tried to build gtk-doc but I entered dependency hell Jun 26 20:47:46 IIRC, it was dragging in LaTeX as a dependency :) Jun 26 20:48:26 not me for sure, but I know M4rtinK compiled gtk for harmattan Jun 26 20:48:50 I actually ended just sublitting the Fremantle GTK package Jun 26 20:49:10 which brings me to the question, your gtk has MAEMO_CHANGES, would it work if I build hildon desktop against it? Jun 26 20:49:22 I tried upt to date version first (blew up on Gobject Introspection) Jun 26 20:49:28 then tried a less recent one Jun 26 20:49:35 and ended with the Fremantle one Jun 26 20:49:57 I though about that too Jun 26 20:50:02 I actually tried to build it Jun 26 20:50:05 so cordia is not related to none of you? Jun 26 20:50:12 but Hildon depends on clutter Jun 26 20:50:15 nope Jun 26 20:50:29 and Clutter needs some OpenGL stuff Jun 26 20:50:38 and I never got it to compile Jun 26 20:50:53 co If you get clutter Jun 26 20:51:01 ZogG_lap1op: what's wrong with you men? You want a flamewar or what? And the most important question: WHY? Jun 26 20:51:02 you might succeed with Hildon Jun 26 20:51:07 oh, I've got a hard time ahead. Do you remember how you disabled gtk-doc Jun 26 20:51:16 hmm Jun 26 20:51:46 I remember disabling tests by deleting their folder in the makefile somewhere Jun 26 20:52:08 might be the same for docs Jun 26 20:52:37 I think I also hit the same issue, eq. options not taking effect Jun 26 20:52:52 I tried that, also tried deleting the check whether installed Jun 26 20:52:56 freemangordon: actually i didnt want, but after no one cared and closed the eyes i wanted to go to end. i say what i think. it wasn't right but than it got worse Jun 26 20:53:13 but I get errors further down the process... Jun 26 20:53:20 what's wrong now? Jun 26 20:53:47 ok I'll try to purge the makefile from every reference to docs and see what happens Jun 26 20:53:48 thanks Jun 26 20:53:49 Venemo_N9: not much read last posts. Jun 26 20:54:09 ZogG_lap1op, where? Jun 26 20:54:36 Venemo_N9: on TMO Jun 26 20:54:58 omg, still talking about the council thing? Jun 26 20:56:51 qwazix_: BTW, the repositories from my fight with GTK are still online: https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=home%3AMartinK%3Aharmattan Jun 26 20:57:01 https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=home%3AMartinK%3Agtk Jun 26 20:57:11 https://build.pub.meego.com/project/packages?project=home%3AMartinK%3Atesting Jun 26 20:57:24 hope it helps :) Jun 26 20:57:31 and good luck ! :) Jun 26 20:57:33 Venemo_N9: yeah, it was brought up and i can't get passed and than everyone got seek in and than there was something between council that resolved one person somehow responsible for mess Jun 26 20:57:44 omg Jun 26 20:57:54 well, I threw in my opinion already. Jun 26 20:58:14 ZogG_lap1op: what about that translation ? :) Jun 26 20:59:33 M4rtinK: oh you can see me now =) i'll do it this week, i promise, but ping me on #harmattan =) btw zogg@noicq.org is my jabber if you want to find me anytime =) Jun 26 21:00:41 ZogG_lap1op: ok Jun 26 21:04:00 M4rtinK: thanks :) Jun 26 21:04:50 ZogG_lap1op: it does not make sence men. See, continuing that bullshit talk does help noone. Neither I can understand what YOU really want. And have in mind that I am smart enough and have good enough social skills to understand what is going on. Usually. Jun 26 21:07:14 freemangordon: i just got to point it's hard to stop - i agree, but it's was mine aim all the time. it's just the reaction and answers and ignorance i got for at the begging normal questions lead me here Jun 26 21:10:27 s/was/wasn't/ Jun 26 21:10:29 ZogG_lap1op meant: freemangordon: i just got to point it's hard to stop - i agree, but it's wasn't mine aim all the time. it's just the reaction and answers and ignorance i got for at the begging normal questions lead me here Jun 26 21:10:34 lol Jun 26 21:10:50 made whole point wrong by saying one word wrong Jun 26 21:11:04 ZogG_lap1op: :) I see. But frankly, do you really trust in that "conspiracy theory"? Come on. See, you were not there (on #maemo) when there was a lot of talk about CA, lots of time before the Council was elected. We were discussing it a lot and you 've missed it. Not that I am accusing you for that, but you just lack the background. Jun 26 21:12:40 freemangordon: yeah i missed a lot on maemo lately as i was more on harmattan lately, and was less in maemo for a year or more Jun 26 21:12:51 ZogG_lap1op: and yes, Estel has has said in one form or another that he will wait for the end of subbmissions period before he will decide whether to apply or not Jun 26 21:13:09 aw, get over it man Jun 26 21:13:35 freemangordon: and you just have to understand that it doesn't matter if it was talked about or not or whatever, it was just wrong thing to do. and after it was told once excuse from council would be not bad, they kept going with it Jun 26 21:14:56 Venemo_N9: i hate to close eyes on thing, i was raised to tell in face and i;m stubborn =\ Jun 26 21:15:13 because they are right, why it is so hard to understand? it was not the current council to decide the rules. Jun 26 21:15:52 the rules were decided a good time befire the elections Jun 26 21:15:56 *before Jun 26 21:16:56 freemangordon: what rules? Jun 26 21:17:24 i don't believe councils i knew before would do that Jun 26 21:17:30 ZogG_lap1op: the rules for CA Jun 26 21:17:54 freemangordon: the rules of not judging yourself i think was way before internet =) Jun 26 21:18:13 and i mean not judging like in spirital way =P Jun 26 21:18:19 freemangordon: if you're working on rotation, shall I get the zoom rocker keys working? Jun 26 21:19:18 zeq: unfortunately I am working on nothing mor but wasting my time :( Jun 26 21:19:45 ZogG_lap1op, that's ok. you told it, we agreed, we discussed :( Jun 26 21:19:49 :) :) Jun 26 21:20:02 trying to convince some people thay are wrong on the internet :) Jun 26 21:20:05 so now let's finish it Jun 26 21:21:10 Yeah, I just got back, and I've been reading the scrollback Jun 26 21:25:01 I've got nothing to add to the discussion, I wasn't actively involved at the time, and frankly I think it's pretty embarrassing that some people can't let it go and move on. Jun 26 21:25:54 But perhaps that's because I'm not emotionally invested. Jun 26 21:27:25 Venemo_N9: that's the point that there were only 3 lines about it on meeting and it was like "okay okay just leave us" after that. Jun 26 21:27:41 Hey, I wanted an N950 too, but you know what, the N900 is pretty good, and has been getting better for as long as I've had it. Jun 26 21:28:37 zeq: it's not about me getting one Jun 26 21:28:38 * freemangordon won't tlee what he will do with his N950, as ZogG_lap1op will post it on TMO in a couple of minutes :P Jun 26 21:28:43 *tell Jun 26 21:29:13 freemangordon: you already told =) Jun 26 21:29:21 freemangordon: and logs are public anyway Jun 26 21:30:14 and i don't care what you would do it Jun 26 21:39:15 Woody14619: ping Jun 26 21:40:52 was already wondering who's user_ Jun 26 21:41:23 merlin1991: usually it is vi__ Jun 26 21:42:04 what client does have it by default? =) Jun 26 21:42:05 irc from 3 places. Jun 26 21:42:27 any proper linux client? :D Jun 26 21:42:32 that runs on the n900? :D Jun 26 21:42:45 merlin1991: irssi =) Jun 26 21:42:52 irssi is king. Jun 26 21:42:53 merlin1991: i used xchat Jun 26 21:43:13 king like a square headlamp from a late eighties motorcycle. Jun 26 21:43:15 there was adopted build afaik Jun 26 21:44:05 freemangordon, thangs a lot for being voice of reasonability... Jun 26 21:44:08 But it's quite futile Jun 26 21:44:24 we have this in Poland - even worse - something like 20 % of people "know" what is right and what is not Jun 26 21:44:31 how "world" should look and how it doesnt look Jun 26 21:44:43 and belive, that they way of seeining things is only one possible Jun 26 21:44:44 glib is finally compiling... let's see... Jun 26 21:44:54 we even had prime minister like that, forutnately, only for 2 years :P Jun 26 21:44:55 merlin1991: someone said quassel is best on N900. i use irssi though Jun 26 21:45:01 before his own flamewars kicked him out Jun 26 21:45:03 coins has 2 sides Jun 26 21:45:04 same here Jun 26 21:45:06 always Jun 26 21:45:18 all yo ucan say can be assumed to you Jun 26 21:45:24 ZogG, You're one big lack of integrity of what You're saying Jun 26 21:45:27 first, You applied to CA Jun 26 21:45:29 yay! done :) Jun 26 21:45:39 then, You say that You haven't followed TMO, mailing list, and IRc for more than 2 months, lol Jun 26 21:45:40 Estel_: and? Jun 26 21:45:53 Estel_: i send mail didn't read one Jun 26 21:45:54 then, You come here and cry, that it isn't Your fault that You were not interested Jun 26 21:46:06 no, I'm done with all post-CA discussions :) Jun 26 21:46:12 Sicelo: hehe Jun 26 21:46:23 You know the difference? you act like mdoerate politic Jun 26 21:46:26 people seems to take a liking into moking me lately :D Jun 26 21:46:27 and we act meritocrately Jun 26 21:46:37 We judged submissions by meritr, not by "someone was councilor, or not" Jun 26 21:46:41 even some councils didn't know how you explain it, but i'm tierd. you just can't accept it. and probably you the one in those 20% like you say Jun 26 21:46:46 You would like to punish Councilors like they arer politics or whatnot Jun 26 21:46:55 they're UNPAID VOLUNTEERS and were eglible to apply. period. Jun 26 21:47:03 You would like to copy Your goverment soap opera Jun 26 21:47:08 that concludes topic, for me. Jun 26 21:47:26 I suppose, that man judges by himself - you say that You think council couldn't judge other councilor's submission by merit Jun 26 21:47:33 probably, You're talking, judging by howe YOU would do it. Jun 26 21:47:42 We did it based on merit. End of message :P Jun 26 21:48:51 hi all. Today I was/am playing with the dbus interface to the media player on my n900, and I found that for n9/n950 there is a dbus call to get information on the currently playing song (com.nokia.mafw.renderer.get_current_media_info). Does anyone know of something similar for n900's media player? Jun 26 21:48:59 i'm stoping argue on last thing - i'm volutering my self in real life project, and i do it not to mock everyone that i'm volunteer, no one forced you, and if you decided to be council - great, but do it right, if you don't - don't do it. no one force you Jun 26 21:49:23 ZogG, true. And no one have f*cking right to say that Councilor were not eglible to take part in CA Jun 26 21:49:31 dafox yes ther eis Jun 26 21:49:38 just because you would like to copy buerocratic standards from real life politics Jun 26 21:49:43 it's meritocracy, not politic. Jun 26 21:50:01 We don't give a F* about if You think it's "moral" for You, or not. all is based on merit. Jun 26 21:50:04 :\ Jun 26 21:50:09 merlin1991: I know it broadcasts it on start/stop/song change etc, but is there a way to get it 'on demand'? Jun 26 21:50:20 see http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Using_Multimedia_Components/Media_Application_Framework_%28MAFW%29 Jun 26 21:50:23 might be in there Jun 26 21:50:42 Estel_: you saying two opposite things in one sentence and you promied to stop talking about it, it's time to =) Jun 26 21:50:56 just out of curiosity, what is opposite?:) Jun 26 21:52:08 1)we don't give a F*,2) we volunteer and moral Jun 26 21:52:21 As far as I'm concerned, I just told Yuo, that we don't care if it's morla for You - we, and communioty that decided about Ca LONG before I was councilor, decided that Council will judge submissions by merit, no matter if submitter is councilor or not. Jun 26 21:52:24 yes. Jun 26 21:52:29 We don't give a fuck about Your morality. Jun 26 21:52:48 merlin1991: I saw that page, but it was about the c/python bindings (I'm just playing around with dbus, I have a tiny sh script done atm for just start/stop etc, which is all I need) Jun 26 21:52:50 so you only care about your particular? Jun 26 21:52:56 Communtiy decided, that council will manage to judge submissions by merit, and don't give a F* again, about if someone is councilor, former councilor, or Council hater Jun 26 21:53:13 no, I care about what was meritocratily decided months ago Jun 26 21:53:15 dafox: sorry I thought that was the page describin the dbus calls Jun 26 21:53:21 not, few buthurts kid try to impose their morality on everyone Jun 26 21:53:21 gimme a few mins to find the proper one :D Jun 26 21:53:28 Estel_: you can't not to do it, it's human nature =) if you say i wouldn't it still doesn't work Jun 26 21:53:43 ZogG, basically irrelevant. Jun 26 21:53:50 and afaik other council told you actually decided not to judge if you submit Jun 26 21:53:53 merlin1991: I think you may have meant this page then: http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Media_player Jun 26 21:54:11 Estel_: it is relevant, as you say we as council, but it's your words not all the council's Jun 26 21:54:13 dafox: media palyer info does appear on dbus but it is totally banana Jun 26 21:54:25 what is rellevant is a) there was procedure to decide who will judge b) there was discussion on judges judging themselves, if You like Yoiur stupid comparision to civil trials c) it's Your fuckin fault that You haven't protested, until You lost CA yourself Jun 26 21:54:39 ZogG, what a BS? Jun 26 21:54:43 where You took that from? Jun 26 21:54:47 whole Council took part in deciding. Jun 26 21:54:53 there is a python wrapper that lets you make dbus call and requests. Jun 26 21:55:10 vi_, You bastard, You're against me too? Even after those chjicks and money You send me to get N950? Jun 26 21:55:14 Estel_: from post of one of the councils, read the thread Jun 26 21:55:21 oh, it was meant to be private ;) Jun 26 21:55:31 !! Jun 26 21:55:34 oh riiiight Jun 26 21:55:40 wtf! Jun 26 21:55:44 jokes again when out of arguments Jun 26 21:55:45 0.9 Jun 26 21:55:46 ZogG, Council answered to this bullshit days ago. I don't answer for personal opinions or confusion of SD69. Jun 26 21:55:48 you are total lost man Jun 26 21:55:52 nope. Jun 26 21:55:58 vi_ yes, but since I just have a small sh script I don't want to listen on dbus the whole time, as it just invokes the dbus calls from that wiki page to start/stop/next/previous the media player. I just thought it might be nice to also have an 'info' command to show some current information Jun 26 21:56:04 ZogG, didn't noticed You're not only one that I discuss with? Jun 26 21:56:08 Estel_: so why your answer is official and his is personal? Jun 26 21:56:12 jeez... that pm .. Jun 26 21:56:21 you're not center of univers,e your fuckin hypocritic morality won't be thrown on others. Get used to that. Jun 26 21:56:36 ZogG, not my. He answered to, in nowe closed thread Jun 26 21:56:37 Estel_: i don't claim myself, you do Jun 26 21:56:55 dafox: Yes it would be nice, I even tried once but without the wrapper it is very hard. Jun 26 21:57:01 Estel_: and how it makes that answer more official than last one? Jun 26 21:57:01 so, lets have fun and go through this meritocratily, step by step: Jun 26 21:57:06 tell me, on which point You have problem Jun 26 21:57:22 1. on april it was decided who will judge CA, and how councilors will be allowed to submit there Jun 26 21:57:32 you have to set up a 'tempory' dbus monitor to catch the info then you have to parse and arrange it nicely. Jun 26 21:57:36 it was discussed on mailing list, TMO, and IRc, before election Jun 26 21:57:45 now, after point 1 - tell me what You don't get here. Jun 26 21:57:48 vi_: hard or impossible? I mean, does such a call even exist for n900, or is the only way to listen for the song change notifications? (the wrapper could be listening all the time) Jun 26 21:57:57 Estel_: let it go. zogg is the new abill. Jun 26 21:57:59 we will work this out, I'll explain everything to you like Good Father to childs. Jun 26 21:58:01 Estel_: at you submitting and judging and than when was asked the way you acted and attacked people and than at meeting you suggest ignore and didn't give a f, and now saying you don't give a f Jun 26 21:58:05 vi_, I know Jun 26 21:58:12 that's why i'm starving him by going point through point Jun 26 21:58:19 ZogG, please answer my question. Jun 26 21:58:20 lol Jun 26 21:58:30 I've described You point 1, and i'm asking what You don't get from it Jun 26 21:58:54 starving me? i find it funny how people with luck of arguments adn trolls using the word troll just to prove they are right =) Jun 26 21:59:04 could you, please, focus on merit and answer my question? Jun 26 21:59:05 facts man, re-check the thread Jun 26 21:59:15 I've formulated point 1, because we can';t discuss all things at once. Jun 26 21:59:27 could you, please, answer what You don't understand from point 1? Jun 26 21:59:42 1. on april it was decided who will judge CA, and how councilors will be allowed to submit there Jun 26 21:59:43 * Sicelo takes his black a** to bed. seems this CA was some poisoned gift. eew Jun 26 21:59:44 Estel_: i described you all my points few times, i'm tiered to repeat them. you answers are not related at all anyway Jun 26 21:59:53 it was discussed on mailing list, TMO, and IRc, before election Jun 26 22:00:02 you're tired? I answered them much more times, that You've asked Jun 26 22:00:04 guys I have created #ca-ranting for this. Jun 26 22:00:05 so either You discuss like adult Jun 26 22:00:12 or go FU You. Jun 26 22:00:24 we're dissasermbling it to simple points, oficially Jun 26 22:00:33 Estel_: if you make wrong decision it is still wrong Jun 26 22:00:34 Estel_: chill out. Jun 26 22:00:42 either You want to discuss what You don't udnerstand from every poi9nts, or You're just troll that want flamewar, nothing more. Jun 26 22:00:50 ZogG, define You. Jun 26 22:00:51 and i see few councils thought it would be different or one of you lies Jun 26 22:01:00 vi_, i'm in chillout state, I actually have much fun doing it Jun 26 22:01:12 ZogG, who is You? community, that decided on april? Jun 26 22:01:26 so, you impose, that You know better how Community should acted, and that it acted wrong? Jun 26 22:01:47 how is it releated when it was decided and how if the decision was wrong any way Jun 26 22:02:00 because Community decided via mailing list, TMo, and IRC Jun 26 22:02:02 on april. Jun 26 22:02:16 You imply, that You know better, and Community decision is void, because *You* think that it's wrong? Jun 26 22:02:27 Estel_: as it was mentioned people told that it's not a good idea on irc and on tmo Jun 26 22:02:35 and a lot just didn't check those Jun 26 22:02:41 nope. 1 person did 1 one liner Jun 26 22:02:44 geneven on TMO Jun 26 22:02:45 it still doesn't make you right. Jun 26 22:02:50 if You have other sources, please link me to it. Jun 26 22:03:04 it's like sayying i said i'll kill him, so i told, you had chance to stop me Jun 26 22:03:08 how it makes it better? Jun 26 22:03:14 vi_: WOW, you're asking someone to chill out? What date is it today :P Jun 26 22:03:21 ZogG, unrelated. community decided. you're no one to judge Community decisions, and request changing them. Jun 26 22:04:00 it's basically unrelated, if You like or not, what was decided. It was, and that is sense of point 1. Jun 26 22:04:02 it just frustrates me to see all this happening on my favourite forum. Jun 26 22:04:15 And I'm not trying to attack you personally - i'm just stating facts, it's not relaterd if You or me like it Jun 26 22:04:20 Estel_: the point is that it is ended on TMO and enuf people understood who are you and how you act. what else i want to discuss with you? i think nothing. i think it only proves or you are ego person or "it's only you right one" and world is broken Jun 26 22:04:43 I'm ego person, because I commit my own time to discuss it with You, point by point? Jun 26 22:04:45 Estel_: what is community? Jun 26 22:05:03 i have no idea what this is about and i dont care, but can #maemo return its focus to Maemo? please? :) Jun 26 22:05:11 Community? Participants of discussions, going thourhg mailing list, TMo, IRC, contributors... Jun 26 22:05:11 you think people here are not community? people on TMO who said it was conflict of interests are not community? Jun 26 22:05:22 ZogG, no, Youre on june Jun 26 22:05:25 and we're stikll on april Jun 26 22:05:40 trx+++ Jun 26 22:05:46 it seems that You can't construct any meritocratic argument about "why decision amde by Community on april is null and void" Jun 26 22:05:48 lets go to point 2 Jun 26 22:05:51 /join #CAFights Jun 26 22:06:05 Estel_: i talk about same people including #harmattan and #maemo and TMO, all those who speak up and shared thanks on my posts. and few of them contributed a lot Jun 26 22:06:06 2. CA rules are announced, 5 days latter Ca starts. Rules are announced again, via mailing list, news, TMO, and IRC Jun 26 22:06:09 yeah, listen to GeneralAntilles ! :) Jun 26 22:06:31 GeneralAntilles, please, give us a ten minutes to resolve this once for aLL, civil Jun 26 22:06:38 I'm going with him point through point :) Jun 26 22:06:49 you still mised first point Jun 26 22:06:54 ZogG, anything You don't understand or don't agree about point 2? Jun 26 22:07:08 no worries, we will address Your points in ~point 4 Jun 26 22:07:09 i just told it doesn't matter how many times and where you told it, the decision was wrong. Jun 26 22:07:14 it's just pointless Jun 26 22:07:20 ZogG, and I ask You, who You're to judge it. Jun 26 22:07:30 it wasn't my decidions, personal. It was how communtiy decided it to be. Jun 26 22:07:32 Estel_: and who are you to judge? Jun 26 22:07:38 if You don't have any problems with point 2, lets move to point 3 Jun 26 22:08:04 Estel_: so it wasn;t your decision and you was forced to submit? Jun 26 22:08:15 3. Ca runs for 3 weeks, people, including You, send submissions,m so they know rules etc. Councilors send submissions too, everything in public, via mailing list. No one protests. It's also known who will judge and how. Jun 26 22:08:19 any problems with point 3? Jun 26 22:08:38 of course I submitted on my own, because Community decided that it's ok on point 1, Arpil :) Jun 26 22:08:47 or you the first to make decision to submit and you knew it may have problems later, i saw your post on TMO yesterday =) Jun 26 22:08:59 It was my proposition to make councilors uneglible to take part in Ca, but to my pleasant surprise, Communtiy decided otherwise. Jun 26 22:09:10 nope, I submitted last. Jun 26 22:09:17 but I never told anyone that I won't submit Jun 26 22:09:22 in fact, it was known from April, that I will Jun 26 22:09:28 Estel_: but you asked to do it, and you just don;t take opportunity to being council and judge without getting phone in any way? Jun 26 22:09:28 jsut like 4 others Councilors Jun 26 22:09:43 * Raimu opens the #maemo window and quickly runs away Jun 26 22:09:44 we've asked Community and Qgil on mailing list, if it's ok, again, and beginning of May Jun 26 22:09:58 ok, point 4 Jun 26 22:10:03 Estel_: it is 3 other as Woody14619 told straight and understood what it is Jun 26 22:10:21 Estel_: you go alone i see with point system ) Jun 26 22:10:30 4. CA results are announced - msot participants, both winners and not, are satisfied and congratulate. Few people who have submitted - and few, who have not - start outcry about how wrong it was for Council to win and judge at the same time Jun 26 22:10:33 fair enough? Jun 26 22:10:44 say yourself agree with yourself, than talk to yourself man ) Jun 26 22:11:01 now, point 1, 2 and 3 give clear results, that problems of people from point 4 are void. Jun 26 22:11:12 man, be civil. Jun 26 22:11:26 you are lost man, and i don't see any chance thru your ignorance Jun 26 22:11:29 Either form correct accusations, or agree, that Your outcry is butthurt. Jun 26 22:11:40 you like cartman that tells stories and believe in them =) Jun 26 22:11:42 it's amusing Jun 26 22:11:45 why? Because I spent last 15 minutes, going with You point through point? Jun 26 22:11:48 * ZogG_lap1op takes out popcorn Jun 26 22:11:52 continue Jun 26 22:12:25 nothing to continue, we've gone through 4 points. Either You form valid points, where something was done other way than community decided... Jun 26 22:12:34 Or You're just butthurt kid, that like flamewar, and nothing else. Jun 26 22:12:45 patent your point system please Jun 26 22:12:54 people might still it and make mney Jun 26 22:12:58 money* Jun 26 22:13:00 sure thing, I will call it "how to starce trolls in 4 easy steps" Jun 26 22:13:07 s/starce/starve/ Jun 26 22:13:09 Estel_ meant: sure thing, I will call it "how to starve trolls in 4 easy steps" Jun 26 22:13:17 lol, call it self diet of troll =) Jun 26 22:13:24 also called "merit, merit, merit, and merit - 4 points to heavens" Jun 26 22:13:45 now I hope that you will stop spreading FUD about how Councilors didn't wanted to talk with You. Jun 26 22:13:47 and explain You. Jun 26 22:13:51 and answer You. Jun 26 22:13:54 you talk too much about your merit and how you are so worthy Jun 26 22:14:02 i hope you don;t get horny just saying it Jun 26 22:14:04 if You feel that You got enough attention to stop being butthurt loser, we can officialy close it :) Jun 26 22:14:26 i'm not loser, you are =) Jun 26 22:14:28 please, be civil. sexual allusions in civil discussioon? Blee. Jun 26 22:14:46 oh, I feel so touched by Your argumentums ad persona :( chanop, please! Jun 26 22:14:54 i feel pitty for you mighty Estel_ the king of merit and justice and community spirit =) Jun 26 22:15:13 lol Jun 26 22:15:20 there is no report button Jun 26 22:15:20 it's really dishearting, that You're calling names, when we had such civil and merit discussion :( Jun 26 22:15:23 i'm sorry Jun 26 22:15:35 ZogG_lap1op: stop it, please Jun 26 22:15:48 I beg you Jun 26 22:15:56 Estel_: looool wooot, who is loser, butthurt kid and other words you say and than you assume me, nice way to go point sytem =) Jun 26 22:15:58 or freemangordon will die of either laugh or sadness. Jun 26 22:16:10 speak for yourself Jun 26 22:16:20 freemangordon: ok man, it's just funny Jun 26 22:16:23 sadness is the word, but that is not the point Jun 26 22:16:38 *tadaam!* after 4 points and a little calling names, our Theatre is closed! Please pay for tickets in offices. Jun 26 22:16:54 ZogG_lap1op: no, it is not, atl least for me Jun 26 22:17:26 Now, I promise, I will *never* ever discuss with any butthurt kid about Ca results. i'll drop them link to logs from this irc discussion, instead :P Jun 26 22:17:35 freemangordon, morning ;) Jun 26 22:18:13 Estel_: please do it Jun 26 22:18:48 STOP Jun 26 22:18:52 ENOUGH Jun 26 22:18:53 Can't we stay friends after all? Jun 26 22:19:08 CEASE AND DESIST Jun 26 22:19:14 null and void :P Jun 26 22:19:35 this has decended into BS and ad hominem. Jun 26 22:20:03 I'kk give You flowers in the morning... *swee voice* Jun 26 22:20:04 vi_ Just now you're noticing this? :P Btw: Pong. :) Jun 26 22:20:08 potatos Jun 26 22:20:31 Woody14619: I was going to say fuck dem haterz. Jun 26 22:20:51 vi_, luke-jr molested You about selling Your N950? Jun 26 22:20:55 I saw him pinging You :P Jun 26 22:21:13 yeah, he wants one. Who can blame him. Jun 26 22:21:31 absolutely no one. If he can save spare 20k dollars, who knows, maybe he will manage to buy one. Jun 26 22:21:35 not from me, of course. Jun 26 22:22:11 I told him I would trade it for a road lega 2 stroke motorcross bike. Jun 26 22:22:13 i'll sell it for 2 millions after 1- years, and send postcard to ZogG Jun 26 22:22:19 hahaha Jun 26 22:22:29 Estel_: STOP ffs. Jun 26 22:22:34 jokng, man Jun 26 22:22:39 joking* Jun 26 22:23:05 but You're right, I'll be better sending postcard to Arie Jun 26 22:23:30 hope is lost Jun 26 22:23:31 ok, enough. Stop drinking ;) Jun 26 22:23:43 vi_, have You seen Homeworld for N900, recent port? Jun 26 22:23:54 I would never belive, that we can have something like this re Jun 26 22:23:59 running solely on CPU Jun 26 22:24:03 at max details, etc Jun 26 22:24:50 freemangordon, any chance to run SDL program on external monitor, via mentioned RPi method? Jun 26 22:24:58 or is it like Maemo Ui, no chance? Jun 26 22:25:16 SDL sounds quite low-level. Jun 26 22:25:43 Estel_: morning Jun 26 22:25:53 and we have already some hits, like Jaggec Alliance 2 or civilization or Homeworld running via SDL Jun 26 22:25:55 NFS what SDL is :) Jun 26 22:26:11 http://www.libsdl.org/ Jun 26 22:26:16 nad besides half-life I am not much into gaming Jun 26 22:26:28 direct media layer, that runs on everything, including N900 Jun 26 22:26:34 freemangordon, haha, noticed by Your nickname Jun 26 22:27:07 well, if something is ported to unix-like systems, either by re-writing engine, or becausew released sources etc, you can take it for granted, that it's SDL Jun 26 22:27:29 but afaik ivgalvez was an SDL and/or games guru. could be wring of course Jun 26 22:27:39 *wrong Jun 26 22:27:42 wuut? I must ask him Jun 26 22:27:44 thanks Jun 26 22:29:01 I thint there are several threads on TMO he is announcing some new games. Have in mind I might be wrong Jun 26 22:29:05 *thin Jun 26 22:29:07 aaah Jun 26 22:29:14 THINK Jun 26 22:29:19 damn Jun 26 22:35:08 erm, wasn't it szopin or aapoRantalainen? Especially the latter did SDL Jun 26 22:35:13 anyway, i'll ask Jun 26 22:35:29 hmm, both of them iirc Jun 26 22:35:31 BTw, good luck on CSSU meeting :) Keeping my thumbs Jun 26 22:36:05 * Estel_ means that ifYou're wanting to say even 1% of things I think You want to say, then it's worth saying. haha! Jun 26 22:37:25 I told you I have a lot of experience in saying bullshit :P. I could be nearly as good as the natives :D Jun 26 22:37:58 On the serious not: I was thinking it will be a good Idea a part of the council to participate Jun 26 22:38:03 *note Jun 26 22:38:11 hm? Jun 26 22:38:38 * SpeedEvil has been rereading the Harry Dresden books, featuring the white council. Jun 26 22:38:49 SpeedEvil: they are awesome :D Jun 26 22:38:56 * SpeedEvil has found this occasionally amusing while reading the threads and comments above. Jun 26 22:38:58 though later in the series it gets rather weird Jun 26 22:39:17 (and that part excludes you Estel_, I really don't want you and DocScrutinizer05 arguing there :P) Jun 26 22:39:18 The notion of the maemo council being able to behead people they don't like :) Jun 26 22:40:15 freemangordon, good idea, jsut drop us a date that You agree on, ok? Jun 26 22:40:29 SDL was 'fixed'/ported to n900 by javispedro I think. Jun 26 22:40:32 freemangordon, no problem, but me and DocScrutinizer are kind like newly married Jun 26 22:40:44 we don't argue anymore Jun 26 22:40:47 It was one of the 'J' named guys. Jun 26 22:40:54 thanks, vi_ Jun 26 22:41:12 freemangordon, or You've settled up on date and time, and I missed that? Jun 26 22:41:35 Estel_: it is merlin1991 you have to ask for the date Jun 26 22:41:41 think of it like directX but cross platform and not closed source. Jun 26 22:41:48 I'll try to "assign" (i.e. ask for participate) someon e else, but it may turn out that i'll be only one available Jun 26 22:41:58 higher level than opengl. Jun 26 22:41:59 freemangordon, OK Jun 26 22:42:12 vi_, are you sure about higher level? Jun 26 22:42:20 SpeedEvil: :) Jun 26 22:42:22 afaik it's exclusive with open gel, or at least, opengles Jun 26 22:42:22 Estel_: no Jun 26 22:42:31 Estel_: NFC, I am wating a mil, but I am sure if Council asks merlin1991 he will CC you too Jun 26 22:42:45 ok. Jun 26 22:42:50 merlin1991, ping Jun 26 22:42:56 pong Jun 26 22:43:08 which way around is it again? Jun 26 22:43:08 yes, I am sure. Jun 26 22:43:13 Could You, please, send Councilors a mail, when You settle up for date and time for next CSSU meeting? Jun 26 22:43:14 (assembler is at the bottom, the lowest.) Jun 26 22:43:33 i.e. the official one, mentioned by freemangordon Jun 26 22:45:27 merlin1991, lokks like You're scrolling through backlog and checking why the heck do I want info?:P Jun 26 22:46:50 ~botsnack Jun 26 22:46:51 thanks, user Jun 26 22:47:10 vi_: stop feeding that troll please Jun 26 22:47:30 ;) Jun 26 22:47:44 sorry, I could not tell if I was actually connected. Jun 26 22:48:02 poor reception on this misappropriated wifi. Jun 26 22:48:17 ~ping Jun 26 22:48:17 ~pong Jun 26 22:48:26 ~pong Jun 26 22:48:27 ~ping Jun 26 22:48:30 heh Jun 26 22:48:36 ~die Jun 26 22:48:43 what if a clone were connected... Jun 26 22:48:44 ~die Jun 26 22:48:57 ~die Jun 26 22:48:57 * infobot takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. Jun 26 22:49:19 ~assasinate Jun 26 22:49:25 ~murder Jun 26 22:49:26 * infobot shoots in his sleep Jun 26 22:49:43 I've hit a wall... Why the hell would a dev package from the SDK repo throw syntax errors? http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1227993&postcount=61 Jun 26 22:50:00 bite the dist, dsfdsf Jun 26 22:50:03 qwazix_, no idea, but Your work is outstanding, too. Jun 26 22:50:13 woot? Jun 26 22:51:08 thanks, hope I reach some result, I'd love to make the N950 a new N900 Jun 26 22:52:00 when did gerbick become so depressing? Did his wife just leave him? Jun 26 22:52:02 dsfdsf, gave me this package for you. It makes funny ticking sounds, please take it as I'm in a hurry Jun 26 22:53:17 ~wisdom is the domain of the wizz, which is now extinct. Jun 26 22:53:17 ...but wisdom is already something else... Jun 26 22:53:27 ~wisdom Jun 26 22:53:28 rumour has it, wisdom is http://double-chinned.mirror.waffleimages.com/data/d8/d881c8b68df1bc81c582650da8a86cc4d1b0930e.jpg Jun 26 22:53:56 ~beauty Jun 26 22:53:56 well, beauty is in the eye of the beer holder... Jun 26 22:54:11 beauty is not wisdom Jun 26 22:54:19 wisdom is not love Jun 26 22:54:23 damn you doc Jun 26 22:54:31 love is not music, MUSIC is the *BEST* Jun 26 22:54:33 you have locked all the nibbles Jun 26 22:54:53 !!! Jun 26 22:55:34 DocScrutinizer05: you have 10 seconds. What was FZ best album? Jun 26 22:55:47 zoot allures Jun 26 22:55:58 controversial Jun 26 22:56:01 dang, 2s over Jun 26 22:56:36 brb, 8 hours unconcious. Jun 26 22:59:57 Estel_: you cannot just let it be that you are wrong you have to rub it in and show everyone you are above anyone, do you? (mailinglist) Jun 26 23:00:50 chem|st, dafuq? Jun 26 23:01:20 IIRc my last mail to mailing list was summing where we announced Ca results, and answering tp Andree, that if it didn't landed in mailing list, it was mistake Jun 26 23:01:32 reffering to something, or just dropped here to call me names? Jun 26 23:01:58 Estel_: a "thanks, we did forget about posting to mailinglist as we are not used to using it" is the right answer Jun 26 23:02:10 w00t? Jun 26 23:02:17 Estel_: exactly, it was discussed... Jun 26 23:02:20 I don't get You man, sorry, but I haven't written any Bs like that Jun 26 23:02:37 andre mentioned, that Ca results wer enot announced 2 mailing list Jun 26 23:03:00 and I answered, that it was announced on news, TMO, IRC, Council blog, and if it didn't landed on mailing lsit, it's, indeed, our mistake... Jun 26 23:03:07 but nothing like we wanted to hide it or somethikng Jun 26 23:03:12 it's literally, almost full quotation of my mail Jun 26 23:03:13 Estel_: you defended... in a situation you should admit... Jun 26 23:03:39 chem|st, I still don't get You, but, as mailing list is public, i'm sure everyone can make own opinion. IMO, there wasn't any conflict there Jun 26 23:03:49 I agreed with Andre, that if didn't landed on ML, it was mistake Jun 26 23:03:54 and told him, where we posted it Jun 26 23:03:58 got any problem with it? 0_o? Jun 26 23:04:10 Estel_: your attitude yes Jun 26 23:04:29 *shrugs* in which part of my mail do you have problem about attitude? Jun 26 23:04:32 qutoations, please. Jun 26 23:04:37 not to mentionm that i don' Jun 26 23:04:45 t see much sense in discussing it public on #maemo, but, whatever Jun 26 23:04:57 you are defending! Jun 26 23:05:08 who? from what? Jun 26 23:05:14 quotes, please. Jun 26 23:05:21 i'm tired of talking without quotes, links, and merits. Jun 26 23:05:24 admitting that it was a mistake, fine, but then you defend like it does not matter Jun 26 23:05:40 Estel_: there are 2 emails, you read both... Jun 26 23:05:43 ok, so you basically think it was wrong, that I mentioned where Ca results were announced... Jun 26 23:05:55 Estel_: what do you need quotations of your own mail? Jun 26 23:05:59 in addition to admitting, that *if8 it didn';t landed in mailing list, it was mistake? Jun 26 23:06:11 if it's what You want, I still don't get Your problem, honestly. Jun 26 23:06:35 I think that it's absolutely approriate to mention, where results are to be found, if someone got problems finding it, or feel not informed. Jun 26 23:07:02 also, due to latest events, it's very important to makr, that no one wanted to hide results, and, that, in fact, results were available, generally, everywhere Jun 26 23:07:34 chem|st, form your attitude, it seems that You have personal problems with me. Not that I care - mind You - but i don't necessary like You attacking me like that, on #maemo. Jun 26 23:07:40 Estel_: not in this way, appropriate would be what I wrote above Jun 26 23:07:45 * Woody14619 is off for a bit to reboot Jun 26 23:08:22 After ignoring 30 pages long thread full of insults and bold words, You've granted me "20 insomething" points, for writing that "As per my knowlenge, are is not liked in harmattan, yet, he self imposed himself as a voice of Harmattan" Jun 26 23:08:25 have I came here Jun 26 23:08:28 and cry about it Jun 26 23:08:34 demanding strange explanations from You? Jun 26 23:08:55 Please, mind your business with moderating TMO, not only in situations, where You need to mark your existence. Jun 26 23:09:18 my reply on mailing list was justified, Polite, and no one except You seem to have problem with it, starting with personthat it was addressed to Jun 26 23:09:28 So please, spare me this BS. All right? Jun 26 23:11:17 Estel_: watch it, I am sick of you defending your position as solely right when you are bad-ass wrong Jun 26 23:12:11 I note you down that your response was inappropriate and did it here instead of ignoring it or flaming you on the ML Jun 26 23:13:09 nice, point took. I keep my right to disagree with you, totally. Jun 26 23:13:35 I have nothing against You flaming it on mailing list - i'm sure others would act approriately, and flame your unjustified accusations, in response Jun 26 23:13:52 lets leave it like that, and go back to our business. Jun 26 23:15:07 Estel_: for tmo, you earned those points long before and I just held back as noone reported you (blind eyes), this time you got reported Jun 26 23:15:34 Estel_: you're overreacting man, chill out Jun 26 23:15:51 too much coffee Jun 26 23:16:26 freemangordon, not exactly.nnot exactly. see: Jun 26 23:16:27 http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2012-June/005520.html Jun 26 23:16:37 and tell me, where ion those 4 lines, I did something inapproriate. Jun 26 23:17:08 of course, everyone is entitled to have own opinion, but i'll keep my right to not allow forcing it on me. Jun 26 23:18:06 chem|st, honestly, I don't care much 0 I udnerstand, that as moderator, you has to mark that You exist there at all, after ignoring this shitstorm topic, where everyone used worst names on everyone (especially, onCa contributors and winners) Jun 26 23:18:19 You wanted to assign me some points - no problem Jun 26 23:18:27 Estel_: it is your right to behave in a way you find apprropriate, I was just expressing my thoughts Jun 26 23:18:34 but I haven't started to pester You about it on irc, pm, or anywhere Jun 26 23:18:43 freemangordon, I understand Jun 26 23:18:57 probably, maybe i'm really allergic for post Ca accusations :) Jun 26 23:19:03 alergy - overreactivity :) Jun 26 23:19:22 I'm just honest guy, probably to honest for some. Jun 26 23:19:46 freemangordon: I've got most of the zoom key support in, also put in the PORTRAIT_MODE atom while I was at it, but currently protected by #if 0, until we fix it. Jun 26 23:19:52 Estel_: feeling guilty? Jun 26 23:19:58 Estel_, I am honest too, but being honest is not the same as being rude Jun 26 23:20:06 so chem|st, I think that I have much more merit to pester You for inapproriate reactions or lack for, yet, I didn't then you come here, and tell me, that it was wrong from my side to mention, where Ca results were announced? Jun 26 23:20:18 * chem|st grabs popcorn and becomes seated comfy Jun 26 23:20:42 Estel_: chill out, please Jun 26 23:20:45 You were writing about popcorn, when people were calling CA winners - not only councilors "corrupted, retards", etc. I've seen logs from your comments. Jun 26 23:21:09 Estel_: I was called a liar. So what? Jun 26 23:21:11 then, you come and play "moderator", and later play someone who know better hjow I should phrase my own mails? seriously Jun 26 23:21:18 freemangordon, nothing at all ;) Jun 26 23:21:31 It's just about bashing hypocritic behavior, a little. Jun 26 23:21:41 Estel_: that is a common habit over here in "dark"-IRC to grab popcorn whenever there is a shitstorm on tmo-TV Jun 26 23:21:48 I woudl really preffer chem|st to perform his duties, instead of teching others how to write polite 3 liner. Jun 26 23:22:05 ok, generally, it's nothing worth arguing. Jun 26 23:22:11 You got Your opinion, i keep mine Jun 26 23:22:17 we're all alive and happy. Jun 26 23:22:20 nowdays calling names and than blaming others for that is a merit =) Jun 26 23:22:25 Estel_: ehrm I have no duties within maemo.org Jun 26 23:22:41 so why the hell won't You resign from being moderator? Jun 26 23:22:59 jumping once for a year and "teaching" others that You're still mod isn't helping much. Jun 26 23:23:12 well, I give up Jun 26 23:23:15 bb guys Jun 26 23:23:19 see ya, same here Jun 26 23:23:27 need to fix my cooling system for CNC Jun 26 23:23:41 volunteering today is not a duty, it's random choice of what you want to "merit" for. device, power, voices — yes. grown up behaivour admitness, polite - no Jun 26 23:23:48 yeah, your cooling system deffinitely needs a fix :( Jun 26 23:24:01 freemangordon: +1 Jun 26 23:24:46 it's like one person quistioned by enuf people still takes each one separete and personally and do not look in whole picture Jun 26 23:25:28 ZogG_lap1op: leave it... not worth the typing.... Jun 26 23:27:07 chem|st: i like how you jump once in the year thing, maybe you should tweet everytime you spend hours on flame topics checking post by post? or all you actvity on maemo and tmo? the value of deeds is not enuf today, today we are pop stars we need attention and rating, what we are and who were are are less important, most important status and glory =) Jun 26 23:27:12 way to go Jun 26 23:33:43 * rzr wondering about purchasing an extra n9 in case of the elopcalypse ... how much does a used one could cost ? Jun 26 23:36:46 rzr: i think ±400$ for 64 gb Jun 26 23:38:26 and 16 ? Jun 26 23:59:50 * DocScrutinizer05 discharges a truckload of icecibes int channel Jun 27 00:00:01 cubes* even Jun 27 00:17:23 http://www.dealextreme.com/p/silicone-brick-design-ice-cubes-maker-diy-mould-blue-138652 Jun 27 00:17:35 I don't think avoiding the trademark name will fool anyone :) Jun 27 00:20:57 SpeedEvil: I'd like to see more of your remarks and critics in cssu Jun 27 00:21:29 I know you as an exceptionally sharp mind Jun 27 00:21:57 I'm doing an appeal against a legal decision at the moment. Jun 27 00:22:09 I'll add it in the next week or so when that's done. Jun 27 00:22:33 :-) and good luck! Jun 27 00:23:02 Which will boil down to again 'read my actual submission, it diddn't say that' Jun 27 00:23:52 *sigh* - buerocracy Jun 27 00:24:15 Indeed. Jun 27 00:24:41 Thanks. Jun 27 00:24:48 Adding to the fun is the delay. Jun 27 00:24:57 It's been ~14mo since the original decision. Jun 27 00:25:28 :-S Jun 27 00:29:14 freemangordon: Interesting datapoint: This needs to be verified, but Stellarium has gone from ~8-10fps to 50-60fps with the thumb/neon qt build Jun 27 00:29:39 :) Jun 27 00:30:32 I didn't expect that. I was just making sure everything still worked Jun 27 00:33:40 damn, my zoom keys patch didn't work :( Jun 27 00:34:58 XError: X_ChangeProperty: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter) Jun 27 00:35:11 winId Jun 27 00:36:48 * zeq1 has done enough for tonight Jun 27 00:40:34 zeq: :-) Jun 27 00:53:24 zeq, sounds awesome Jun 27 00:53:31 why so much gain? some bug in normal compilation? Jun 27 00:54:06 DocScrutinizer, it's cool here, what You've did to channel? Jun 27 00:54:42 nooooob question. I've program that I need to wrap inside wrapper, so it will kill xbindkeys upon exectuion, and will run xbindkeys again, when killed, no matter if gracefully or not Jun 27 00:54:50 how should it be done, re best coding practices? Jun 27 00:55:03 i.e. what would be msot "bulletproof" way to do it? Jun 27 01:01:18 check trap command in shell scripting Jun 27 01:01:52 new hostmode vboost script is using it that way Jun 27 01:02:59 and actually, a lot more of scripts should use a trap cleanup construct, to make sure not to leave temporary files, half-isntalled packages, whatnot else, when existing in an unexcpected way Jun 27 01:04:51 you migth also google for fsoraw, a wrapper I invented for doing almost exactly what you asked for Jun 27 01:07:34 (fsoraw is the FSO resource allocation wrapper, a timy proggie that e.g switches screen backlight to "stay on" while the wrapped-up binary (game etc) is running. And it's built in a way so it basically can't fail to restore whatever resource allocated to the original state, when the monitored game quits Jun 27 01:07:39 ) Jun 27 01:08:02 though I admit dbus is doing a great deal to ensure this property Jun 27 01:08:24 but that are FSO internal details that are somewhat OT here Jun 27 01:09:33 for your purpose a trap on exit should do the trick Jun 27 01:09:42 in a shell script Jun 27 01:26:14 DocScrutinizer, thanks a lot, very interesting readings Jun 27 01:26:34 BTw, You just made me aware, that I also want screen kept on during working of this program :) Jun 27 01:27:24 for a newbie, this trap looks tricky (lol!, so I have many pleasant hours of testing it and fsoraw, to udnerstand ins and outs **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jun 27 02:59:58 2012