**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jul 03 02:59:58 2012 Jul 03 06:23:32 ZogG_laptop: find me a N950 ;) Jul 03 06:24:18 Is Garage now allowing new accounts? Jul 03 07:28:14 nice Jul 03 07:28:17 http://www.badcaps.net/store/product_info.php?cPath=1_6&products_id=121 Jul 03 07:28:23 wow did they make that easy heh Jul 03 08:50:52 javispedro laying the smack down on his own hack. Jul 03 08:51:53 eh? Jul 03 08:53:46 is there any reason not to always use the bleeding edge drivers? Jul 03 08:53:54 aren't they, like, better? Jul 03 08:55:39 the bleeding edge wifi drivers, i mean Jul 03 08:57:15 also, i think i'm doing it wrong Jul 03 08:57:24 does extras-devel include extras-testing and extras? Jul 03 08:58:58 no Jul 03 08:59:21 there are pkgs in extras you don't find in extras-devel Jul 03 08:59:23 few Jul 03 09:01:01 however _usually_ extras-devel will have more recent versions than -testing (and this than extras), so you don't want to run huge updates with extras-* enabled Jul 03 09:01:31 since the versions in extras-devel are NOT supposed stable Jul 03 09:02:29 usual procedure: enable extras-devel, intsall the pkg you planned to, then disable extras-devel again Jul 03 09:05:21 hm Jul 03 09:05:30 i might've already installed some stuff from -devel Jul 03 09:05:36 i mean, upgraded Jul 03 09:05:38 oh well Jul 03 09:09:05 MohammadAG: ping Jul 03 09:21:42 hrmpf, why does fapman sometimes fail to start Jul 03 09:22:43 kerio: I only really use the drivers when I am uh...auditing. Jul 03 09:22:59 If you acidentally leave your NIC in monitor mode, bye bue battery. Jul 03 09:23:39 vi__: yeah, but aren't the cool drivers cooler than the default? Jul 03 09:23:53 yeah, by 2-3 degrees Jul 03 09:24:00 freemangordon: i believe you Jul 03 09:24:14 but it depends on the outside temp too Jul 03 09:24:45 vi__: also, why can't cleven use the backported drivers, and has to use the ones in MyDocs? Jul 03 09:25:50 oh no, nvm Jul 03 09:38:04 kerio: becasue it is badly written. Jul 03 09:38:16 much like my spelling. Jul 03 09:38:27 heh Jul 03 09:38:39 although the latest version seems to require the backported drivers package Jul 03 09:38:44 so there's that Jul 03 09:38:50 kerio: I do not use it. Jul 03 09:39:01 I prefer wifite. Jul 03 09:39:36 I accept that when it comes to wifi...auditing I am a script kiddie and cannot be bothered learning to use aircrack suite properly. Jul 03 09:39:58 anyway, my question is actually different Jul 03 09:39:59 Therefore I prefer to use a completely autonymous tool. Jul 03 09:40:11 aren't the backported drivers for wifi+bluetooth much better than the stock ones? Jul 03 09:40:12 What was your Q again? Jul 03 09:40:19 regardless of... auditing Jul 03 09:40:24 You would hacve to ask the package maintainer. Jul 03 09:40:35 freemangordon: Are these backported drivers better? Jul 03 09:41:39 and no, I do not know what better means. A higher version number I think. Jul 03 09:42:45 vi__: in theory, they add stuff like bluetooth cooperation Jul 03 09:53:30 vi__: but of course, they are cooler :P. NFC, you may want to as lxp, there was some table somewhere with comparison between stock/compat Jul 03 09:57:10 morning Jul 03 09:57:29 I can't remember how to get to the package promotion page, could someone give me a clue please?:) Jul 03 09:57:37 bbiab, meeting Jul 03 10:01:19 DocScrutinizer, ping Jul 03 10:01:29 freemangordon: do you use them all the time? Jul 03 10:02:35 how can i diagnose problems with mafw? Jul 03 10:02:46 qwazix: pong (for a minute) Jul 03 10:03:14 Is it easy to change the internal battery of the N900? Jul 03 10:03:28 I mean the battery that keeps time when you remove the blj Jul 03 10:03:44 yes Jul 03 10:03:59 ~bupbat Jul 03 10:04:05 thanks, Jul 03 10:04:08 umm Jul 03 10:04:30 because the guys at Nokia Care ***** ***** Jul 03 10:04:50 replace by a capacitor Jul 03 10:04:51 and I don't want to take it back again Jul 03 10:05:01 soldering needed, low skill profile Jul 03 10:05:17 hmmm, not very good at this... Jul 03 10:05:55 guess I'll go and buy a better iron, and have some practice first Jul 03 10:06:07 good plan :-D Jul 03 10:06:10 no, seriously, what the hell is wrong with my mafw Jul 03 10:06:12 it doesn't do shit Jul 03 10:06:12 qwazix: you would have to be a fecking ape to balls it up. Jul 03 10:06:40 thanks again, I'll search for the schematics, I hope I wont have to mess with the FPC Jul 03 10:06:43 kerio: wtf is wrong with my motorbike, it doesnt do shit. Jul 03 10:06:58 you always have to mess with FPC Jul 03 10:07:04 vi__: i have no idea how to diagnose the problem Jul 03 10:07:17 afk, bbl Jul 03 10:07:42 ~FPC Jul 03 10:07:55 ~dict FPC Jul 03 10:07:56 flat plastic cable Jul 03 10:07:57 Dictionary 'FPC' (2): Floating Point Coprocessor ;; A translator from {Backus}'s {FP} to {C}. {(ftp://apple.com/comp.sources.Unix/Volume20)}.. Jul 03 10:08:13 DocScrutinizer: how many plug/unplugs can you get from such a cable? Jul 03 10:08:15 flex plastic connector Jul 03 10:08:26 unsure, maybe 50 Jul 03 10:08:43 DocScrutinizer: that is a grim thought. Jul 03 10:09:06 have to run, cya Jul 03 10:09:21 i tap on a song, and i get this: http://i.imgur.com/GaluA.png Jul 03 10:09:21 bb Jul 03 10:09:24 ~bupbat Jul 03 10:10:01 That is a problem with your media player, not necessarily mafw. Jul 03 10:10:10 ok, fine Jul 03 10:10:17 how do i diagnose what's the problem? Jul 03 10:10:26 kerio: did you perform a FULL COMPLETE re-flash when you got this n900? Jul 03 10:10:31 yes Jul 03 10:10:48 both vanilla and combined Jul 03 10:11:15 kerio: NFC. That is the beauty of the N900. Unlimited ways to mod, bodge, kludge and customise==unlimited ways to break things. Jul 03 10:13:07 goddammit, this *is* a serious problem for me :s Jul 03 10:13:37 ~bupbat Jul 03 10:13:37 it has been said that bupbat is http://www.mouser.com/catalog/632/2009.pdf http://il.farnell.com/taiyo-yuden/pas414hr-va5r/cap-0-06f-3-3v-80ohm-4-8mm-coin/dp/1853000?Ntt=PAS414HR-VA5R Jul 03 10:14:10 it can't even change the volume Jul 03 10:14:15 Do you know how hard it is to troubleshoot over IRC? I literally have *no* idea what you have installed/changed/moved/rooted/scripted/hacked/modded/bodged. Jul 03 10:14:22 ~bupbat is also use the capacitive type, LiIon are breaking during 12 months Jul 03 10:14:22 DocScrutinizer: okay Jul 03 10:14:28 "Unable to execute operation" or something Jul 03 10:14:28 :s Jul 03 10:14:35 vi__: not much, in theory Jul 03 10:14:41 HAH Jul 03 10:14:52 yeah, i know Jul 03 10:15:01 ~tell qwazix about bupbat Jul 03 10:15:45 hm, there's actually a phantom playlist, apparently Jul 03 10:16:48 DocScrutinizer, thanks, checking it out now Jul 03 10:21:46 How much time can I expect from such capacitor to last. Enough to change sim card? Jul 03 10:22:47 weeks Jul 03 10:22:48 And, does it come with the feet soldered on? Why can't it just fit in the place of the battery. Jul 03 10:23:20 it fits Jul 03 10:24:11 * qwazix wonders how the hell the battery from my 1991 kid icarus game boy cartridge still works... Jul 03 10:24:27 kid icarus Jul 03 10:24:33 god that one hell of an overrated game these days Jul 03 10:25:10 Lava_Croft, why? I liked it, and back in the day no other game had an evolving character. That only was enough Jul 03 10:25:36 yay, i got it back working Jul 03 10:25:41 And persistent savegame... I was sick of level passwords Jul 03 10:25:44 good old apt-get remove .*mafw.* Jul 03 10:26:06 I had started choplifter from the start at least 10 times cause of lost passwords Jul 03 10:26:19 qwazix: primary cell, not a crappy rechargable Jul 03 10:27:11 aha Jul 03 10:27:32 ~primary cell is a not recharcheable battery: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primary_cell Jul 03 10:27:32 okay, qwazix Jul 03 10:32:52 ~primary Jul 03 10:33:01 ~primary cell Jul 03 10:33:02 well, primary cell is a not recharcheable battery: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primary_cell Jul 03 10:37:11 what the FUCK Jul 03 10:37:16 the fix doesn't survive a reboot Jul 03 10:37:18 this is bullshit Jul 03 10:39:44 kerio: what media player are you using? Jul 03 10:40:31 the stock one Jul 03 10:40:52 install open media player. Jul 03 10:40:56 might work Jul 03 10:41:14 If not, rebuild tracker database. Jul 03 10:41:20 Maybe you have broken files? Jul 03 10:41:23 who knows. Jul 03 10:41:31 If that does not work... Jul 03 10:41:59 either do some real sleuthing, uninstalling, undoing everything you have already done Jul 03 10:42:10 or restore from your last backupmenu backup. Jul 03 10:42:31 i don't have a backupmenu backup Jul 03 10:42:38 Please tell me you installed backupmenu and made a 'baseline' backup you could fall back to when you pooped on the fan. Jul 03 10:42:47 vi__: my baseline backup is reflashing Jul 03 10:42:49 ...you do not have BM? Jul 03 10:42:53 really, why bother with anything else Jul 03 10:42:59 vi__, no it just looked good in the menu! Jul 03 10:43:03 ... Jul 03 10:43:19 vi__: i *literally* just bought this n900 Jul 03 10:43:23 kerio: Protip #1. Backup menu is king. Jul 03 10:43:36 * japh checks it out Jul 03 10:43:50 kerio: as with all tech, you flash it. You fiddle with it till it gets fucked. Jul 03 10:43:59 You flash it again, fiddle with it till it gets fucked. Jul 03 10:44:09 exactly Jul 03 10:44:22 So you flash it again and fiddle with it till it gets fucked. Jul 03 10:44:26 Now here is the funny part. Jul 03 10:44:36 because that's the whole point of grabbing it Jul 03 10:44:42 at least for me, ymmv Jul 03 10:44:43 The length of time between each reflash gets longer and longer. Jul 03 10:45:03 Starting initially at hours, increasing to days, then months. Jul 03 10:45:14 For me, I have not re-flashed for ~4 months now. Jul 03 10:45:38 everything is nice. Jul 03 10:45:52 If I fuck anything up, I just restore the backup with backup menu. Jul 03 10:46:05 And I am EXACTLY at where I was on the last backup. Jul 03 10:46:17 vi__: the thing is, i don't really know if mediaplayer *used* to work Jul 03 10:46:24 I like backupmenu SO MUCH, I donated to robbiethe1st TWICE. Jul 03 10:46:52 kerio: Then it sounds to me like you need a reflash. Jul 03 10:47:00 1. Re-flash. Jul 03 10:47:08 2. Install fapman Jul 03 10:47:14 3. enable repos Jul 03 10:47:15 backupmenu worked great for me after restoring my backup Jul 03 10:47:19 had to flash anyway:D Jul 03 10:47:20 4. Install backupmenu Jul 03 10:47:23 i bet i failed hard on that part Jul 03 10:47:26 5. make a backup. Jul 03 10:47:49 6. Fiddle away knowing you won't really have to reflash again. Jul 03 10:53:01 is there someone who actually knows how mediaplayer works? Jul 03 10:53:49 mplayer works Jul 03 10:54:09 japh: yeah Jul 03 10:54:18 on the other hand, this is the fucking stock media player Jul 03 10:54:22 use OMP Jul 03 10:54:40 it just makes no sense Jul 03 10:55:58 also, where the hell is dpkg-reconfigure? Jul 03 10:57:59 this is seriously frustrating Jul 03 10:58:06 is mafw actually needed? Jul 03 11:04:36 alright, removed mediaplayer Jul 03 11:04:39 fuck that noise Jul 03 11:06:30 Lava_Croft: does OMP use mafw? Jul 03 11:08:53 lolwut Jul 03 11:09:00 mafw IS the mediaplayer. Jul 03 11:09:14 'media player' is just a nice gui for it. Jul 03 11:09:25 'open media player' is an even nicer gui for it. Jul 03 11:09:29 vi__: great Jul 03 11:09:40 There is nothing wrong with mafw. Jul 03 11:09:45 kerio: you fsckd up your device by unsinstalling shit I guess, now get back on your seat! Jul 03 11:09:50 chem|st: no u Jul 03 11:09:51 :c Jul 03 11:09:53 you have fucked something up. Jul 03 11:09:58 re-flash time. Jul 03 11:10:00 OMP works Jul 03 11:10:10 let's hope it works after a reboot Jul 03 11:10:12 kerio: then what is the problem? Jul 03 11:10:16 chem|st: :p Jul 03 11:10:20 kerio: reflash install cssu and the hell keep your fingers from the uninstall button Jul 03 11:10:48 chem|st: k :c Jul 03 11:10:50 By all means uninstall shit, just make sure you know what it is you are uninstalling! Jul 03 11:10:53 or maybe i'll use OMP Jul 03 11:11:19 chem|st: I have an oil leak. Jul 03 11:11:24 you are like a fucked up brat who was told to NOT to do something and is complaining about a broken toy after doing exactly the oposite of what was told before Jul 03 11:11:40 vi__: me too... Jul 03 11:12:01 about 1L/500km Jul 03 11:12:11 ouch, that is bad. Jul 03 11:12:16 head gasket Jul 03 11:12:28 mine is not THAT bad. Jul 03 11:12:31 which bike? Jul 03 11:12:42 paso Jul 03 11:13:08 chem|st: can i uninstall cherry at least? Jul 03 11:13:13 or the valve-seal Jul 03 11:13:15 this is where the xt600 wins. You could have the head off in about 4o minutes with nothing more than a screwdriver and a spoon. Jul 03 11:13:20 kerio: yes Jul 03 11:13:24 kerio: yes Jul 03 11:13:31 kerio, has there ever been a 'stock' media player worth not forgetting about?? Jul 03 11:13:41 ehrm maybe not Jul 03 11:13:48 japh: itunes? Jul 03 11:13:49 * kerio flees Jul 03 11:13:57 * japh fetches chainsaw Jul 03 11:14:39 I picked up a spare engine. Jul 03 11:14:49 THe whole thing. Jul 03 11:15:02 For ~70 euro. Jul 03 11:15:06 kerio: on saturday I had 3 iphones on the table not behaving like expected... pulled my n900 and did what was asked for! Jul 03 11:15:40 not even facebook "I like" was possible otg Jul 03 11:15:59 ~otg Jul 03 11:15:59 i guess otg is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_On-The-Go Jul 03 11:16:12 what do I need a $600 phone for gsm-calling only? Jul 03 11:16:38 so your friends know you have $600 for spare! Jul 03 11:17:42 If someone were to offer me a road legal kdx200 for trade for the n950... Jul 03 11:17:46 I'd take it. Jul 03 11:29:09 Estel_: hi Jul 03 11:33:06 chem|st: alright, i have PR1.3 flashed now Jul 03 11:33:22 i removed the -installers and the introduction applet Jul 03 11:33:26 i won't remove anything else Jul 03 11:53:43 kerio: INSTALL BACKUP MENU RIGHT NOW. Jul 03 11:53:46 THEN USE IT. Jul 03 11:56:16 vi__: i'll do that after i install CSSU stable Jul 03 11:56:31 (and before anything else, yes) Jul 03 12:00:01 any ideas why my desktop gets slow after few days of uptime? when i unlock my phone and try to click a shortcut, it freezes and holds for a while. then it works fine Jul 03 12:02:23 and i have n900. forgot to mention Jul 03 12:02:49 swap fragmentation Jul 03 12:03:07 ~ereswap Jul 03 12:03:25 ~swap Jul 03 12:03:25 Allows one to easily change CD-ROM media with one command or click.. URL: http://www.flyn.org/ Jul 03 12:03:44 clever one :D Jul 03 12:04:30 Pali: any chance for a new KP and KPS anytime soon? Jul 03 12:06:06 vi__: how do i install backupmenu? D: Jul 03 12:06:23 it doesn't appear in HAM, and i can't do anything before installing it! Jul 03 12:06:46 freemangordon, I will push source package of packet injection driver to extras-devel Jul 03 12:07:00 ok Jul 03 12:07:15 under name wl1251-maemo Jul 03 12:07:27 freemangordon: what? Jul 03 12:07:39 and deb package wl1251-maemo-source Jul 03 12:08:37 Pali: didn't get that, iirc we agree those modules to a part of kernel build, why is wl1251-maemo needed? Jul 03 12:09:07 aaah, source and .deb Jul 03 12:09:10 we do not need to include source code of that modules (500MB) into kernel-power package Jul 03 12:09:10 :) Jul 03 12:09:22 Pali: it is not 500 MB Jul 03 12:09:30 dsc package wl1251-maemo will build deb package wl1251-maemo-source Jul 03 12:09:32 but yes, there is no need Jul 03 12:09:44 485M wl1251-maemo-0.2-source.tar.gz Jul 03 12:10:00 Pali: use my package from extras-devel Jul 03 12:10:01 original lxp tarball Jul 03 12:10:13 wl1251-maemo-0.2-source.tar.gz contains git tree Jul 03 12:10:14 :D Jul 03 12:10:39 wtf, there's no backupmenu in extras Jul 03 12:11:00 but weird. i have 50% ram usage and it already swaps Jul 03 12:11:00 Pali: do apt-get source linux-modules-backport and use the source from there Jul 03 12:11:10 Pali: BTW you don't need a new package Jul 03 12:11:37 you already have the source in the repos, proceed in the same was as with kernel-source.orig Jul 03 12:12:59 add a line downloading it in debian/rules get-orig-source rule. or near it Jul 03 12:13:03 Pali: ^^^ Jul 03 12:14:04 skope: check your swappiness Jul 03 12:15:29 freemangordon: cat /proc/sys/vm/swappiness says 30 Jul 03 12:15:55 well, NFC then, but you could try to set it to 0 Jul 03 12:16:10 nto sure what the effect will be Jul 03 12:16:12 *not Jul 03 12:16:22 i bet not so good Jul 03 12:16:55 skope: what is the problem with having swap? Jul 03 12:17:03 skope: it's quite normal for things to get swapped out when they're not getting used. Jul 03 12:17:15 not only under memory pressure Jul 03 12:17:21 freemangordon: nothing, but usually system don't swap until ram is used Jul 03 12:17:35 zeq: really? Jul 03 12:18:00 really. better to have more cache than memory used up with idle processes Jul 03 12:18:22 but it is weird why n900 doesn't respond after unlock. upper left corner menu button works tho Jul 03 12:18:27 but desktop doesn't Jul 03 12:18:52 skope: but that cache is disk cache. Jul 03 12:19:00 n900 uses flash memory Jul 03 12:19:09 which is mega fast reads. Jul 03 12:19:21 vi__: it's not that quick Jul 03 12:19:46 wish it was :) Jul 03 12:19:53 kerio: enable development repo, that is where all the cool shit is. Jul 03 12:21:37 so anyone has no idea what is causing freezings? been googling for weeks and nothing useful came up Jul 03 12:22:04 skope: freemangordon told you. Jul 03 12:22:16 You need to defrag your swap space. Jul 03 12:22:21 either: Jul 03 12:22:27 1. Reboot the n900. Jul 03 12:22:33 2. Swapoff/swapon Jul 03 12:22:43 3. install ereswap package. Jul 03 12:22:57 vi__: thank you for clearing that up. i missed that entirely Jul 03 12:23:03 skope: np Jul 03 12:23:09 and thanks to freemangordon Jul 03 12:23:17 praise his might. Jul 03 12:23:23 i will Jul 03 12:23:38 oh lord cthulufreemangordon, look mercifully upon us. Jul 03 12:39:27 can i put a password for user? Jul 03 12:39:50 and what's the official way to get root? Jul 03 12:39:51 passwd user Jul 03 12:41:24 kerio, rootsh Jul 03 12:41:36 and if you want to be able to use sudo, sudser Jul 03 12:41:47 (never edit /etc/sudoers) Jul 03 12:42:48 will it correctly ask for user's password? Jul 03 12:43:10 when sshing into the device, yes Jul 03 12:43:11 no, unless you run sudser command Jul 03 12:43:18 ok Jul 03 12:43:25 read the package description Jul 03 12:43:49 there is a way to force it to always ask for pwd Jul 03 12:44:24 (don't know if you need rootsh anyway or if sudser works by itself, I always install both) Jul 03 12:57:56 zeq: GTK fennec build is broken too, not only Qt, I can only hope it will be fixed Jul 03 13:00:55 zeq: something is screwed up in the painting/scrolling code, both Qt and GTK build behave in the same strange way when scrolling. Jul 03 13:01:49 qwazix: for fuck's sake, sudser broke my sudoers Jul 03 13:02:02 kerio, !! Jul 03 13:02:23 I've been using sudser since ages, Jul 03 13:03:01 though I never did try to force it to ask for password Jul 03 13:03:18 "grep: /etc/shells: No such file or directory" "Password changed." ">>>sudoers file: syntax error, line 28 <<<" "/etc/sudoers.d/everybody.sudoers changes break sudoers" Jul 03 13:03:33 I supposed it should work as it is in extras proper Jul 03 13:03:44 freemangordon: I've noticed it too. I'm going to try to track down what broke it when I have some time. Jul 03 13:04:04 Sorry for the fuckup, want me to post my sudoers file? Jul 03 13:04:35 It took me a couple of full builds to figure out why rotation broke again for me (missing SLOT orientationChanged) Jul 03 13:04:55 qwazix: well, it doesn't work Jul 03 13:05:06 unless this crap is intended behavior Jul 03 13:05:26 zeq: isn't it better to prepare what we have so far and to try to push it upstream first? Jul 03 13:05:34 kerio, doubt it... wait i'll post my sudoers file Jul 03 13:05:36 yes, may as well Jul 03 13:05:42 need to clean up the commits Jul 03 13:06:02 once we have an upstreamed code, I think it will be a little bit easier to demand things :D Jul 03 13:06:12 :D Jul 03 13:06:24 like working EGL hw accel ;) Jul 03 13:06:26 qwazix: my /etc/sudoers.d/everybody.sudoers had "user ALL=(ALL) PASSWD:" in one line Jul 03 13:06:34 i changed that to "user ALL=(ALL) ALL" Jul 03 13:06:39 and ran update-sudoers Jul 03 13:06:40 now it works Jul 03 13:06:41 zeq: if you wish I can do it too, but TBH I still think it is beter you to do it. Me and my diplomacy :D:D:D Jul 03 13:06:43 as intended, i mean Jul 03 13:07:11 freemangordon: I'll try to get it done today, can't promise though. Jul 03 13:07:14 mine has user ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL Jul 03 13:07:32 yeah well, i want it passworded :) Jul 03 13:07:41 zeq: on the other hand if you lack time I will do the patch and will send it to you, ok? Jul 03 13:07:43 with sudser installed as-is (no extra configuration or running sudser) Jul 03 13:07:54 anyone here using mgutenberg? Jul 03 13:07:55 freemangordon: sure :) Jul 03 13:08:14 hm, closing and reopening the terminal doesn't reset the password asking Jul 03 13:08:16 oh well Jul 03 13:08:27 I think a monolite patch should be ok, or it is better to split it? Jul 03 13:08:36 zeq:^^^ Jul 03 13:08:47 you could file a bug to sudser bugtracker (that is if the maintainer is not MIA) Jul 03 13:08:54 s/it is/is it/ Jul 03 13:09:06 freemangordon: I think probably, yes. keep functional changes separate Jul 03 13:09:23 you mean volume control? Jul 03 13:09:27 yeah Jul 03 13:09:29 ok, next item in the list: functional-ish unix Jul 03 13:09:33 wat do? Jul 03 13:09:43 it's not realated to fixing the rotation in any way Jul 03 13:09:43 install coreutils and teach myself to put "g" before every command name? Jul 03 13:10:02 ok. though I think we should not try to upstream that Jul 03 13:10:13 the rotation fix? Jul 03 13:10:21 or the zoom? Jul 03 13:10:46 the zoom Jul 03 13:10:57 probably should add an option like in microb Jul 03 13:11:13 we can keep in in /debian/patches Jul 03 13:11:23 freemangordon: I did try to tack down text reflow Jul 03 13:11:30 s/tack/track/ Jul 03 13:11:30 zeq meant: freemangordon: I did try to track down text reflow Jul 03 13:11:30 me too Jul 03 13:11:49 it is a no go AIUI Jul 03 13:11:49 I did find something, but didn't experiment with it Jul 03 13:11:57 really? Jul 03 13:12:12 I'll try to find it again and point it out Jul 03 13:12:38 as what i saw is a fixed font size used in net_sure_the_name.js Jul 03 13:12:47 *not_sure Jul 03 13:13:20 I'll have a look again when I have a bit more time... Jul 03 13:13:23 ok Jul 03 13:13:49 so, I will try to prepare a patch for all changes but zoom functionality Jul 03 13:13:53 okay Jul 03 13:15:22 freemangordon: once done, do you think bugzilla bug, plus pointing it out to romaxa et al at #mobile would be the right way? Jul 03 13:15:47 romaxa said to open a bug and to attach the patch Jul 03 13:15:55 sudoers is broken. Jul 03 13:15:56 yeah. that's what I thought Jul 03 13:16:00 DO NOT EDIT IT. Jul 03 13:16:15 cat /proc/swaps Jul 03 13:16:22 oops, wrong xterm Jul 03 13:16:44 zeq: BTW git diff commitid1..commitid2 should do the job very easily Jul 03 13:17:21 freemangordon: wonders of git :) Jul 03 13:17:48 freemangordon: anyway I've g2g, will you email it to me? Jul 03 13:18:31 may I have your mail again, i've lost it Jul 03 13:18:41 zeq: ^^^ Jul 03 13:19:13 stevesnewburyorguk Jul 03 13:19:28 10x Jul 03 13:31:50 zeq, freemangordon, I think that reflow is intentionally like that. In most browsers except opera, double-tapping triggers reflowing while arbitrary zoom doesn't Jul 03 13:32:25 I don't know if that is UI design decision or performance limitation (constant reflowing is heavy) Jul 03 13:40:05 qwazix: yeah, but it worths try to fix it. Anyway it is not a top priority Jul 03 13:40:41 freemangordon, agreed Jul 03 13:41:00 freemangordon: did you get your email yet? Jul 03 13:41:10 vi__: no Jul 03 13:41:15 freemangordon: lame Jul 03 13:41:22 do you? Jul 03 13:41:28 no Jul 03 13:42:07 hmm, maybe you should check with travel agencies for a ticket to papua (whatever the place was) :D Jul 03 13:42:16 papua new guinea Jul 03 13:42:18 no Jul 03 13:42:22 they have cannibals. Jul 03 13:42:31 aah, yes , papua new guinea Jul 03 13:42:49 vi__, no , it is just a rumor Jul 03 13:43:00 freemangordon, seems that kernel-power-settings problem with 'can't shift that many' is already fixed in last version Jul 03 13:43:21 I cannot reproduce that problem with old schemes and last kernel-power-settings Jul 03 13:43:24 What is in /home/user/MyDocs/cities/ on my N900? Is this a built-in map for the GPS that came with the N900, or something? Jul 03 13:43:43 kwtm, downloaded maps for Nokia Maps Jul 03 13:43:52 kwtm: it is where nokia maps tiles get stored. Jul 03 13:44:00 cache for Nokia maps Jul 03 13:44:02 Pali: Oh, so if I've never used Nokia maps then it would be empty ... ok Jul 03 13:44:25 kwtm, Some eMMC images has integrated some Nokia Maps Jul 03 13:44:46 vi__: wasn't that the place a famous english captain fas killed/eaten? Jul 03 13:44:50 of cource that can be installed by some windows app (nokia map loader??) Jul 03 13:45:23 kwtm, if you do not use nokia maps, you can delete it Jul 03 13:45:46 Pali: Just trying to see what to skip for my rsync backup script Jul 03 13:46:20 maps are downloadable from internet/nokia, so skip it in rsync Jul 03 13:46:41 I find I can't use a date as a cut-off because when a N900 is reflashed, the built-in files on a pristine N900 have a very recent file date/time. Jul 03 13:46:47 Pali: if you have a custom kernel config according to the old scheme might trigger something Jul 03 13:47:29 freemangordon, I used old scheme with last kernel-config and it show only: warning: 700000 not supported Jul 03 13:47:42 and warning: 750000 not supported Jul 03 13:47:50 but no shift error Jul 03 13:47:54 err, and what is the reported bug? Jul 03 13:48:10 show error: can't shift that many Jul 03 13:48:15 aah, do you have 0 athe the begining of the supported frequencies? Jul 03 13:48:23 in script yes Jul 03 13:48:37 it is your patch Jul 03 13:48:49 I mean in /etc/default/kernel-power Jul 03 13:49:04 /etc/default/kernel-power -> /home/user/.kernel/default Jul 03 13:49:16 wherever it is Jul 03 13:49:26 and yes first is: FREQS="0:25,90 ..." Jul 03 13:49:35 hmm Jul 03 13:50:39 I need to recall what my change was, as it was intended to fix exactly "can't shift that many" error Jul 03 13:50:59 Pali: are you sure those who reported have latest KPS? Jul 03 13:51:37 maybe no Jul 03 13:51:37 problem was in older kernel-power-settings Jul 03 13:51:42 aah, yes Jul 03 13:51:47 there was a problem Jul 03 13:52:00 And I think i have fixed it Jul 03 13:52:19 or not? Jul 03 13:52:34 I cannot reproduce bug Jul 03 13:52:42 so it should be fixed Jul 03 13:52:55 Pali: could you somehow workaround warning: 700000 not supported and warning: 750000 not supported Jul 03 13:53:15 i.e. assume 720 for both frequencies Jul 03 13:54:05 ore replace with 720 and overwrite the profile with some"converted to new scheme" warning Jul 03 13:57:37 Pali: or even better, show a maemo notification banner "Your profile has been converted, check your frequency/voltage table" Jul 03 13:58:21 freemangordon, I will add code which convert 700000 and 750000 to 720000 Jul 03 13:59:28 great. Just keep in mind that if you have both, you should remove 700 and replace 750 with 720. because it is better to use the voltage for 750 Jul 03 14:02:10 freemangordon, ok 700 will be ignored and 750 will be changed to 720 Jul 03 14:02:48 great. it is up to you what voltage to use if upper limit is 700 :P Jul 03 14:37:00 DocScrutinizer! help! people are talking about overclocking! Jul 03 14:39:44 Haw. Jul 03 14:39:48 ~oc Jul 03 14:39:48 rumour has it, oc is an Optical Carrier, An OC1 has 672 channels or 44.736 Mbit/s Jul 03 14:42:11 kerio: Don't be a pussy. Overclock ur fone. Jul 03 14:42:21 vi__: no u Jul 03 14:44:28 heh Jul 03 14:44:51 overclock it to 3GHz Jul 03 14:45:07 keeps it reals Jul 03 14:47:56 heh, that would surely shut the dickheads with a galaxys3 up Jul 03 14:48:18 You are right, explosions always shut people up. Jul 03 14:48:50 there's not enough energy to cause an explosion like that! :( Jul 03 14:48:50 just pipe IRC to espeak, that will shut them up. Jul 03 14:51:23 the fuck, cleven sometimes just doesn't work Jul 03 15:13:56 hi all Jul 03 15:15:39 I'm lookign around to resolve an issue, i would delete messages (sms and im) older than a certain number of days, but i wasn't able to find nothing to do this ... can anyone help me ? Jul 03 15:27:44 is supl.google.com the server to use, for agps? Jul 03 15:30:08 wtf, why does os x show me two volumes when i mount the n900 in ass rage mode? Jul 03 15:30:39 what are the size of them? Jul 03 15:32:01 "Nokia N900" is 29GB, "Untitled" is 16GB Jul 03 15:32:31 Untitled is mostly empty Jul 03 15:32:34 and houses DCIM Jul 03 15:32:59 well, N900 is My Docs Jul 03 15:33:04 Untitled is memory card Jul 03 15:33:14 ...i don't have a µsd Jul 03 15:33:19 wait Jul 03 15:33:24 The ass rage mode. Jul 03 15:33:32 what the fuck, i DO have a µsd Jul 03 15:33:48 kerio: is that your phone? Jul 03 15:33:51 :D Jul 03 15:33:54 The plot thickens. Jul 03 15:33:55 meh, class 2 sandisk Jul 03 15:34:01 i ain't even mad Jul 03 15:34:02 ugh Jul 03 15:34:08 jacekowski: just bought it used Jul 03 15:34:14 the µsd is apparently empty Jul 03 15:34:21 try recovery software on it Jul 03 15:34:25 where "used" apparently means "barely touched" Jul 03 15:34:29 jacekowski: nah, that would be a dick move Jul 03 15:34:37 the seller was really helpful Jul 03 15:34:47 i've got class 10 SD for my camera Jul 03 15:35:51 i suppose i can use it to store backups and stuff like that Jul 03 15:35:51 cool Jul 03 15:36:11 backups in same place are not the best thing Jul 03 15:41:53 where I can get the "less" command? what package do I install? I already have coreutils-gnu installed. Jul 03 15:42:28 less Jul 03 15:52:23 or the all hated busybox-power :D Jul 03 16:14:33 Class 2 Sandisk isn't bad. At least legitimate Sandisk µSDs tend to outperform. Jul 03 16:15:12 And the stock µSDs that came with Nokia phones were often much better than random internet-bought ones of any class rating. Jul 03 16:16:19 Higher class numbers are nice for long sustained writes and not much else Jul 03 16:24:42 did someone port osu! to maemo? Jul 03 16:27:31 oh, found a bug in cleven, how do i report it? Jul 03 16:30:49 zeq: I sent the patch on your mail Jul 03 16:30:49 apparently it expects to be able to sudo $foo without it asking for a password Jul 03 16:31:04 kerio: there is a Cleven thread on talk.maemo.org Jul 03 16:31:17 kerio: plus this is not a bug in cleven Jul 03 16:31:22 M4rtinK2: yeah but it would require me to go on TMO Jul 03 16:31:26 freemangordon: oh really Jul 03 16:31:37 freemangordon: at least it could *tell* me Jul 03 16:31:50 or, better, ask for the password Jul 03 16:31:59 or, slightly worse, add its own commands to a file in /etc/sudoers.d/ Jul 03 16:32:09 like most other applications like that do Jul 03 16:32:09 yes, really, maemo5 was never intened to have password for sudo AFAIK Jul 03 16:32:27 [citation needed] Jul 03 16:32:38 don't have time now :) Jul 03 16:32:42 and actually Jul 03 16:32:50 you don't even *have* sudo access out of the box Jul 03 16:32:58 you have to install a package and/or enable rd mode Jul 03 16:43:32 vi__: btw, HOLY SHIT BACKUPMENU IS AWESOME Jul 03 16:43:36 why didn't you tell me before? Jul 03 16:55:17 will stuff break if i chsh for user? Jul 03 16:57:20 also, is there a way to make HAM not check for updates by itself? Jul 03 16:57:52 see wiki/customization Jul 03 16:58:19 DocScrutinizer51: no Customisation or Customization Jul 03 16:58:23 on wiki.maemo.org Jul 03 16:58:31 meh Jul 03 16:58:45 oh, Customizing Maemo Jul 03 16:58:50 customizing your maemo Jul 03 16:59:55 Sigh... Jul 03 17:01:33 I gave in and bought an Android phone after using an N900 for 2 1/2 years. It feels sad, and I already miss the nice integration of contacts and IM in the N900, but my N900's hardware was failing in many ways, and not having a compass was annoying. Jul 03 17:02:17 kerio: freemangordon: cleven SHALL add all 'sudo $foo' it needs to etc/sudoers.d! Jul 03 17:02:30 DocScrutinizer51: indeed Jul 03 17:02:46 kerio: for proper password on sudo gainroot see Jul 03 17:02:53 ~jrtools Jul 03 17:02:53 rumour has it, jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Jul 03 17:02:54 DocScrutinizer51: nah, i solved that one Jul 03 17:04:35 DocScrutinizer51: I was using cleven and it has nevers asked for a password, so I assume it has all the needed stuff in /etc/sudoers.d Jul 03 17:05:32 DocScrutinizer51: my gainroot checks for RD mode apparently Jul 03 17:05:37 i don't know if that's new in pr 1.3 Jul 03 17:05:38 kerio: did you mess up with your /etc/sudoers.d ? Jul 03 17:05:58 kerio: you need rootsh Jul 03 17:06:02 AFAIK Jul 03 17:06:16 freemangordon: it doesn't have ALL = NOPASSWD: ALL Jul 03 17:06:26 because that's dumb, yo Jul 03 17:07:27 sure. anyway, today is my brthday, so I'd rather spend the evening in a bar, not in front of my PC Jul 03 17:07:34 night Jul 03 17:07:42 :( Jul 03 17:07:45 happy birthday! Jul 03 17:07:47 we love you! Jul 03 17:07:55 add the correct commands to a file in /etc/sudoers.d! Jul 03 17:09:01 Also, I am yet to find an Android podcast client as good as gPodder. Jul 03 17:12:51 asjkasjgkajsskgas why does apt not accept "y" as "yes" Jul 03 17:12:55 fucking localizations Jul 03 17:13:13 the prompt is not translated, but the accepted options are Jul 03 17:22:43 ~jrtools Jul 03 17:22:43 i heard jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Jul 03 17:45:30 ~ping Jul 03 17:45:31 ~pong Jul 03 18:10:56 freemangordon: how to enable backingswap? and how do I know if it is enabled? Jul 03 18:15:23 also, how come there is no lzo module? Jul 03 18:15:37 I thought it was needed for the compression? Jul 03 18:42:07 ~seen kerio Jul 03 18:42:19 kerio <~kerio@unaffiliated/kerio> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1h 19m 35s ago, saying: '~jrtools'. Jul 03 18:47:06 oh yeah, speaking of that Jul 03 18:47:08 ~jrtools Jul 03 18:47:08 it has been said that jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Jul 03 18:47:12 thank you Jul 03 18:58:44 sooo Jul 03 18:58:54 how to set backing swap? Jul 03 20:04:42 ~jrtools Jul 03 20:04:43 i heard jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Jul 03 20:05:29 hrmpf, i can't remove "CSSU Features" from the powerbutton menu Jul 03 20:08:51 kerio that's the cssu features package Jul 03 20:10:17 yeah but it has a "remove from powerkey menu" button Jul 03 20:10:18 that doesn't wor Jul 03 20:10:19 k Jul 03 20:10:24 i think it's because of sudo silliness Jul 03 20:10:25 BUG! Jul 03 20:18:49 will stuff break if i make "vi" a symlink to vim? Jul 03 20:18:58 i mean, is vi ever used programmatically? Jul 03 20:19:14 afaik no Jul 03 20:19:25 does it even have an interface for that? Jul 03 20:19:36 merlin1991: sure it does, stdin :P Jul 03 20:19:40 ususally you'd use sed from scripts Jul 03 20:19:56 no I mean does it have a commandset you can use on stdin? Jul 03 20:20:30 no Jul 03 20:55:31 hi there Jul 03 20:55:47 how is it possible to use dosbox on wine? Jul 03 20:56:18 my nokia n900 cant recognize the keyboard Jul 03 20:56:35 got no man pages about that Jul 03 21:06:22 anyone here touch nokia/maemo/meego/qt location apis? Jul 03 21:08:41 http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtmobility/location-overview.html Jul 03 21:08:41 could someone please tell me what "inedi.ntcn" is in that file? :) Jul 03 21:12:16 zsolt: wait, what Jul 03 21:12:21 why do you want to run dosbox on wine Jul 03 21:30:40 infobot, what is Nokia? Jul 03 21:30:40 i heard nokia is a cellphone company from Finland. Jul 03 21:30:47 infobot yes Jul 03 21:30:47 i heard yes is the opposite of no Jul 03 21:30:56 infobot i know Jul 03 21:30:56 infobot: nokia is a pile of steaming crap Jul 03 21:30:56 You know? Jul 03 21:30:56 ...but nokia is already something else... Jul 03 21:31:01 infobot: no Jul 03 21:31:15 infobot, kerio is a robot Jul 03 21:31:16 RiD: okay Jul 03 21:31:20 D: Jul 03 21:31:23 i'm not a robot! Jul 03 21:31:24 i love this Jul 03 21:31:26 infobot: kerio is not a robot Jul 03 21:31:26 ...but kerio is already something else... Jul 03 21:31:31 infobot: kerio is not a robot Jul 03 21:31:44 hrmpf, how do i overwrite a factoid Jul 03 21:32:13 you're doomed Jul 03 21:32:20 infobot no, kerio is not a robot Jul 03 21:32:20 okay, RiD Jul 03 21:32:28 phew Jul 03 21:32:30 infobot, what is kerio? Jul 03 21:32:30 it has been said that kerio is not a robot Jul 03 21:32:38 infobot, forget Jul 03 21:32:42 well, at least that's true Jul 03 21:32:46 infobot: forget about kerio Jul 03 21:32:46 kerio: i didn't have anything called 'about kerio' to forget Jul 03 21:32:50 infobot: forget kerio Jul 03 21:32:51 i forgot kerio, kerio Jul 03 21:32:53 nice Jul 03 21:32:59 we just spammed this channel :D Jul 03 21:33:04 meh, nobody was talking anyway Jul 03 21:33:29 at least we keep this busy with RELEVANT subjects Jul 03 21:33:38 infobot, what is a pineapple Jul 03 21:33:39 * infobot dances around with a pineapple on her head, singing o/' O pineapple, O pineapple, thy skin is very pokey o/` Jul 03 21:33:54 i'm shocked Jul 03 21:51:41 timeless, that's probably just a typo Jul 03 21:52:05 Probably they just meant "in" Jul 03 22:03:16 Anybody around? Bored to hell... Jul 03 22:04:30 Infobot, are you alive? Jul 03 22:04:30 The dead cannot live Jul 03 22:05:28 action is happy that there is at least some sign of life, even mechanical Jul 03 22:06:28 Infobot, what is the answer to life, universe and everything? Jul 03 22:06:29 qwazix_N950: what are you talking about? Jul 03 22:07:07 Infobot, tell me a random fact Jul 03 22:07:47 Infobot, random Jul 03 22:07:48 * infobot spins the wheel of knowledge and ponders... stevegoma... oh nevermind Jul 03 22:10:24 lol Jul 03 22:17:43 Oh, somebody is actually alive. Howdy venemo Jul 03 22:17:47 infobot, who is qwazix_N950 Jul 03 22:17:48 RiD: what are you talking about? Jul 03 22:17:53 infobot, what is qwazix_N950 Jul 03 22:17:54 RiD: I think you lost me on that one Jul 03 22:18:05 infobot, qwazix_N950 is a robot Jul 03 22:18:06 RiD: okay Jul 03 22:18:12 infobot, who is qwazix_N950 Jul 03 22:18:13 qwazix_n950 is probably a robot Jul 03 22:18:23 yes! :D Jul 03 22:18:26 Infobot, what am I? Jul 03 22:18:27 *squeak!* get a way from me, you freak! Jul 03 22:18:42 infobot, what is qwazix_N950 Jul 03 22:18:42 extra, extra, read all about it, qwazix_n950 is a robot Jul 03 22:18:46 Hahahaha Jul 03 22:18:49 infobot yes Jul 03 22:18:49 it has been said that yes is the opposite of no Jul 03 22:18:53 oh lol Jul 03 22:19:01 infobot is my little partner when this channel is alone Jul 03 22:19:11 infobot, who is RiD? Jul 03 22:19:13 I think you lost me on that one, RiD Jul 03 22:19:20 Infobot, what is infobot? Jul 03 22:19:21 qwazix_N950: what are you talking about? Jul 03 22:19:30 infobot, infobot is an idiot Jul 03 22:19:30 okay, RiD Jul 03 22:19:34 infobot, who are you Jul 03 22:19:35 RiD: what are you talking about? Jul 03 22:19:40 infobot, what is infobot Jul 03 22:19:40 i guess infobot is an idiot Jul 03 22:19:59 Infobot, what is low self esteem? Jul 03 22:20:00 qwazix_N950: I think you lost me on that one Jul 03 22:20:19 infobot no, infobot is me Jul 03 22:20:19 okay, RiD Jul 03 22:20:23 infobot, what is infobot Jul 03 22:20:23 it has been said that infobot is me Jul 03 22:21:08 Infobot, seen RiD? Jul 03 22:21:15 rid is currently on #maemo (2h 38m 3s). Has said a total of 29 messages. Is idling for 52s, last said: 'infobot, what is infobot'. Jul 03 22:21:36 infobot, what is wood Jul 03 22:21:36 how much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood? Jul 03 22:21:52 infobot, what is the answer to the universe Jul 03 22:21:52 RiD: what are you talking about? Jul 03 22:21:55 infobot, what is the answer to the universe and all that? Jul 03 22:21:56 RiD: what are you talking about? Jul 03 22:22:14 infobot, what is the answer to life the universe and everything Jul 03 22:22:14 I think you lost me on that one, RiD Jul 03 22:22:20 infobot, is 42 Jul 03 22:22:35 infobot, the answer to life the universe and everything is 42 Jul 03 22:22:35 RiD: that's too long Jul 03 22:22:36 Infobot google the answer to the universe life and everything Jul 03 22:22:58 infobot, the answer to life the universe and everything is 4 Jul 03 22:22:58 RiD: that's too long Jul 03 22:22:59 infobot, the answer to life the universe and everything is 42 Jul 03 22:22:59 that's too long, RiD Jul 03 22:23:00 :( Jul 03 22:23:09 he's too dumb to store bigger messages Jul 03 22:23:51 In fact he's too dumb to store big variable names Jul 03 22:24:13 It doesn't seem to have problem with longer values Jul 03 22:24:20 he's an idiot Jul 03 22:24:27 * RiD goes to a corner and starts crying Jul 03 22:24:38 Infobot, 42 is the answer to life, universe and everything Jul 03 22:24:38 ...but 42 is already something else... Jul 03 22:24:57 infobot, what is 42? Jul 03 22:24:58 i guess 42 is the answer to life the universe and everything, see also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/the_answer_to_life,_the_universe,_and_everything Jul 03 22:26:07 Infobot, have a snack Jul 03 22:26:43 oh. Jul 03 22:26:49 idiot :( Jul 03 22:27:12 infobot, what is InvalidHandle Jul 03 22:27:12 RiD: what are you talking about? Jul 03 22:27:26 lol. infobot, what is infobot Jul 03 22:27:34 infobot, what is infobot Jul 03 22:27:34 from memory, infobot is me Jul 03 22:28:06 Infobot, tell infobot what is infobot Jul 03 22:28:28 ~query Jul 03 22:28:28 talk dirty to me! Preferably, do so after you have typed "/query infobot" which should open a new window/tab/whatever with most irc clients. You can talk to me all you like and don't annoy other people with endless queries. Be aware that the stuff you write is logged, so don't get too 1337 :) Jul 03 22:28:37 hello DocScrutinizer Jul 03 22:29:22 DocScrutinizer, we have a serious discussion here don't interrupt Jul 03 22:31:20 bye, folks! I gonna power my nose Jul 03 22:31:27 Leaving. (courtesy of docscrutinizer). Jul 03 22:31:48 :( Jul 03 22:32:14 Okay, message received... Jul 03 22:32:35 DocScrutinizer: infobot joined! Jul 03 22:32:45 qwazix_N950: I'm fine, thanks :) Jul 03 22:34:24 btw, redefining factoids is considered rude. Esp when those factoids are obviously not yours and even more when the factoid is ~infobot Jul 03 22:34:46 anyway, good night guys Jul 03 22:34:55 ~attack RiD Jul 03 22:34:55 * infobot grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing RiD Jul 03 22:34:57 Gnight Jul 03 22:35:01 * RiD cries Jul 03 22:35:09 ~rape qwazix_N950 Jul 03 22:35:09 * infobot takes qwazix_N950 behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams Jul 03 22:35:41 * RiD accepts DocScrutinizer superiority Jul 03 22:36:44 The infobot factoid was not defined, and RiD defined is as me, I don't see something wrong with that Jul 03 22:37:11 s/is/it Jul 03 22:37:26 * RiD runs Jul 03 22:38:36 qwazix_N950: well, if that's the fact then yes, it's ok Jul 03 22:39:14 just due to the fact *somebody* elsel_ abused the ~infobot factoid some days ago Jul 03 22:40:21 which earned him a bot ignore Jul 03 22:40:50 Understood Jul 03 22:40:54 (well, he did a few more nasty bot abuses) Jul 03 22:41:17 your definition in fact is welcome Jul 03 22:41:30 ~locl infobot Jul 03 22:41:34 ~lock infobot Jul 03 22:41:35 DocScrutinizer: locking factoid infobot Jul 03 22:42:40 ~infobot Jul 03 22:42:40 well, infobot is me Jul 03 22:42:45 ok Jul 03 22:44:37 ~infobot is also http://infobot.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/infobot/ || The original infobot is no more, it has been replaced by the latest version of blootbot, accompanied by a rename back to infobot || apt/ibot/infobot/purl is now an infobot run by TimRiker Jul 03 22:44:53 :-S Jul 03 22:45:01 ~infobot Jul 03 22:45:01 i heard infobot is me Jul 03 22:45:09 ~unlock infobot Jul 03 22:45:09 unlocking factoid infobot, DocScrutinizer Jul 03 22:45:12 ~infobot is also http://infobot.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/infobot/ || The original infobot is no more, it has been replaced by the latest version of blootbot, accompanied by a rename back to infobot || apt/ibot/infobot/purl is now an infobot run by TimRiker Jul 03 22:45:16 maybe it was too long Jul 03 22:45:21 nvm Jul 03 22:45:51 ~infobot is also http://infobot.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/infobot/ Jul 03 22:46:02 ~infobot is http://infobot.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/infobot/ Jul 03 22:46:15 o.O .oO(???) Jul 03 22:46:21 ~infobot is at http://infobot.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/infobot/ Jul 03 22:46:23 ~infobot Jul 03 22:46:23 infobot is probably me Jul 03 22:46:38 infobot is at http://infobot.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/infobot/ Jul 03 22:46:42 maybe it's because you're using || ? Jul 03 22:46:50 yay Jul 03 22:46:52 What happened? Jul 03 22:47:03 try forget first Jul 03 22:47:09 what do I know Jul 03 22:47:16 || no good idea, but seems it's not caused by that Jul 03 22:47:29 ~forget infobot Jul 03 22:47:29 FIQ|n900: i forgot infobot Jul 03 22:47:31 ~factinfo infobot Jul 03 22:47:31 DocScrutinizer: there's no such factoid as infobot Jul 03 22:47:39 dafaq Jul 03 22:47:43 ~infobot is at http://infobot.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/infobot/ Jul 03 22:47:45 ~infobot Jul 03 22:48:00 aah Jul 03 22:48:09 ~unforget infobot Jul 03 22:48:10 DocScrutinizer: Successfully recovered 'infobot'. Have fun now. Jul 03 22:48:15 ~infobot Jul 03 22:48:15 docscrutinizer, i love abuse, feed me!, or whack, yo Jul 03 22:48:38 weird shit Jul 03 22:48:45 ~status Jul 03 22:48:46 Since Mon Jul 2 21:26:02 2012, there have been 15 modifications, 206 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 79 commands. I have been awake for 1d 1h 22m 43s this session, and currently reference 118627 factoids. I'm using about 23716 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 300.42/9.9 child 0/0 Jul 03 22:48:59 ~factinfo infobot Jul 03 22:48:59 infobot -- last modified at Mon Sep 13 00:12:22 2010 by cb11; it has been requested 34 times, last by DocScrutinizer, 44s ago. Jul 03 22:49:13 * infobot hauls FIQ up by the scruff of the neck and spanks him until he waddles, courtesy of fiq|n900 Jul 03 22:50:13 meh Jul 03 22:50:16 nfc Jul 03 22:50:42 Oops I think our little botabuse messed things up. Sorry for that. Jul 03 22:51:17 * DocScrutinizer hates mysql databases Jul 03 22:51:36 ~listkeys infobot Jul 03 22:51:37 Factoid search of 'infobot' by key (15 of 32): #infobot api ;; #infobot xxx ;; #qi-hardware infobot ;; search string ;; are you an infobot ;; arkaen's infobot entry ;; ibot, infobot ;; infobot ;; infobot avallen ;; infobot dhrazhak ;; infobot guide ;; infobot ipod ;; infobot lezia ;; infobot nickname ;; infobot no,. Jul 03 22:52:42 eh, sorry for the mess :o Jul 03 22:52:48 np Jul 03 22:53:12 I guess mysql did a transaction rollback, or sth Jul 03 22:53:27 nfc Jul 03 22:53:39 ~literal infobot Jul 03 22:53:39 "infobot" is "$who, i love abuse, feed me!, or whack, yo" Jul 03 22:53:53 ~forget infobot Jul 03 22:53:54 i forgot infobot, DocScrutinizer Jul 03 22:54:06 ~infobot is me Jul 03 22:54:14 weird shit Jul 03 22:54:21 ~ infobot is me Jul 03 22:54:22 DocScrutinizer: okay Jul 03 22:54:32 Yay Jul 03 22:54:33 um, I think that was a bad idea Jul 03 22:54:39 ~ Jul 03 22:54:46 ~nfc Jul 03 22:54:47 i guess nfc is No Fucking Clue, or near field communications Jul 03 22:54:50 infobot: no, infobot is me, http://infobot.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/infobot/ || The original infobot is no more, it has been replaced by the latest version of blootbot, accompanied by a rename back to infobot || apt/ibot/infobot/purl is now an infobot run by TimRiker Jul 03 22:54:50 DocScrutinizer: okay Jul 03 22:54:56 ~bonkers Jul 03 22:54:57 i heard bonkers is insane Jul 03 22:54:57 ~lock infobot Jul 03 22:54:57 locking factoid infobot, DocScrutinizer Jul 03 22:55:16 ~infobot Jul 03 22:55:17 hmm... infobot is apt/ibot/infobot/purl is now an infobot run by TimRiker Jul 03 22:55:25 haha Jul 03 22:55:39 infobot: no, infobot is me, http://infobot.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/infobot/ || The original infobot is no more, it has been replaced by the latest version of blootbot, accompanied by a rename back to infobot // apt/ibot/infobot/purl is now an infobot run by TimRiker Jul 03 22:55:39 okay, DocScrutinizer Jul 03 22:55:45 ~infobot Jul 03 22:55:45 infobot is probably me, http://infobot.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/infobot/ Jul 03 22:56:04 infobot: no, infobot is me, http://infobot.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/infobot/ // The original infobot is no more, it has been replaced by the latest version of blootbot, accompanied by a rename back to infobot // apt/ibot/infobot/purl is now an infobot run by TimRiker Jul 03 22:56:06 ~qwazix_N950 Jul 03 22:56:06 DocScrutinizer: okay Jul 03 22:56:08 qwazix_n950 is, like, a robot Jul 03 22:56:08 ~infobot Jul 03 22:56:10 somebody said infobot was me, http://infobot.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/infobot/ // The original infobot is no more, it has been replaced by the latest version of blootbot, accompanied by a rename back to infobot // apt/ibot/infobot/purl is now an infobot run by TimRiker Jul 03 22:56:38 ~infobot no, Jul 03 22:56:53 The one with the pipes was better, methinks Jul 03 22:57:04 factstats new Jul 03 22:57:10 ~literal infobot no, Jul 03 22:57:12 "infobot no," is "I love you too" Jul 03 22:57:19 ~factstats new Jul 03 22:57:22 new factoids in the last 24hours (7): infobot ;; infobot no, ;; qwazix_n950 ;; cmd: tincan (.*?) ;; primary cell ;; bupbat ;; twatty. Jul 03 22:57:42 ~factinfo infobot no, Jul 03 22:57:43 infobot no, -- created by RiD <~GhostRide@bl22-156-184.dsl.telepac.pt> 25m 2s ago. Jul 03 22:57:54 ~forget infobot no, Jul 03 22:57:55 i forgot infobot no,, DocScrutinizer Jul 03 22:58:41 ~ping Jul 03 22:58:43 ~pong Jul 03 22:58:58 could you please try to redefine ~infobot? Jul 03 22:59:07 could you please try to redefine ~infobot ? Jul 03 22:59:11 Ok Jul 03 22:59:28 Infobot, infobot is an irc robot Jul 03 22:59:29 cannot alter locked factoids, qwazix_N950 Jul 03 22:59:36 thanks Jul 03 22:59:46 lets see if this works Jul 03 22:59:49 ~unlock infobot Jul 03 23:00:02 apparently not Jul 03 23:00:11 you can't lock/unlock, except your own nick Jul 03 23:00:20 ~merlin1991 Jul 03 23:00:24 boring :D Jul 03 23:00:28 DocScrutinizer: ok Jul 03 23:00:34 ~DocScrutinizer Jul 03 23:00:34 methinks docscrutinizer is jOERG, a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko Jul 03 23:01:10 Infobot, forget qwaxix_n950 Jul 03 23:01:10 qwazix_N950: i didn't have anything called 'qwaxix_n950' to forget Jul 03 23:01:21 plus I'd hope you can also lock 's pager Jul 03 23:01:26 infobot: forget qwazix_N950 Jul 03 23:01:26 i forgot qwazix_n950, FIQ|n900 Jul 03 23:01:37 Thanks Jul 03 23:01:51 try tabbing more :p Jul 03 23:02:03 (or ctrl+i if you use a terminal) Jul 03 23:02:24 or shift-space if you use xchat-n900 ;-D Jul 03 23:02:30 No tab on the N950 (simpleirc) Jul 03 23:02:56 Remapped that to ctrl+right Jul 03 23:03:06 DocScrutinizer: I used irssi for a great deal of time on N900 Jul 03 23:03:22 After starting to use xchat, I did ctrl+i all the time Jul 03 23:03:28 Used to that combo from microb Jul 03 23:03:29 Which was... a bit annoying Jul 03 23:03:33 I miss the tabs-tree there Jul 03 23:03:55 as ctrl+i does weird things with windows Jul 03 23:04:08 and may segfault xchat on n900 for some reason Jul 03 23:04:19 ~ merlin1991 is the secret master of CSSU Jul 03 23:04:19 DocScrutinizer: okay Jul 03 23:04:38 merlin1991: you could lock your factoid so others can't mess with it Jul 03 23:04:49 thanks FIQ|n900 Jul 03 23:04:53 I think you had a typo there :D Jul 03 23:04:54 ~ Jul 03 23:04:56 ? Jul 03 23:04:57 ~ merlin1991 Jul 03 23:04:58 it has been said that merlin1991 is the secret master of CSSU Jul 03 23:05:00 what did I do Jul 03 23:05:02 i did that and now i dont know how to revert Jul 03 23:05:02 ~merlin1991 Jul 03 23:05:02 from memory, merlin1991 is the secret master of CSSU Jul 03 23:05:08 oh Jul 03 23:05:10 ctrl+i :p Jul 03 23:05:10 I thought it does not work with space Jul 03 23:05:12 weird Jul 03 23:05:13 try do it again Jul 03 23:05:14 :P Jul 03 23:05:25 oh nice Jul 03 23:05:27 ~merlin1991 Jul 03 23:05:28 i heard merlin1991 is the secret master of CSSU Jul 03 23:05:41 not going to touch that anymore Jul 03 23:05:46 will you try everything I tell about w/o asking first? :D Jul 03 23:05:58 not xterm related stuff :o Jul 03 23:06:18 RiD: well, I understand why :) @ not using ctrl+i Jul 03 23:06:40 if I only could disable it somehow... Jul 03 23:06:50 on the conf file? Jul 03 23:06:54 wut Jul 03 23:07:01 is keyboard shortcuts stored there? Jul 03 23:07:04 * FIQ|n900 looks Jul 03 23:07:06 i guess? Jul 03 23:07:09 lol Jul 03 23:07:10 Check the preferences, theres a keymap page Jul 03 23:07:20 hm Jul 03 23:07:38 qwazix_N950 there isn't Jul 03 23:08:22 Don't have it now in front of me but I remapped completion from tab to ctrl+right yesterday Jul 03 23:08:23 qwazix_N950: no? Jul 03 23:08:29 there's even a GUI for key shortcuts Jul 03 23:08:50 oops, qwazix_N950 already said that Jul 03 23:08:51 oh Jul 03 23:08:56 not preferences Jul 03 23:09:02 but in "advanced settings" Jul 03 23:09:09 * RiD feels like a dust particle in the wind Jul 03 23:09:16 brilliant UI on N900 Jul 03 23:09:26 indeed Jul 03 23:09:38 directly editing the conffile is better Jul 03 23:10:06 haha Jul 03 23:10:26 It almost always is, I wonder why settings pages don't always have a search box Jul 03 23:10:43 Best of both worlds Jul 03 23:10:51 a "edit" button ;-P Jul 03 23:11:53 well, RST38h refuses to hack on xchat any further :-/ Jul 03 23:12:00 It's always easier for example to find a setting in about:config on ff than in edit>preferences Jul 03 23:12:37 um Jul 03 23:12:45 C-i isn't there Jul 03 23:12:56 lol Jul 03 23:13:01 there's C-o, C-k, C-b Jul 03 23:13:01 then define it Jul 03 23:13:06 and various other things Jul 03 23:13:10 but not C-i Jul 03 23:13:11 map it to null Jul 03 23:13:22 literally "null"? Jul 03 23:13:26 nah Jul 03 23:13:30  Jul 03 23:13:34 xchat wouldn't crash or anything? Jul 03 23:13:38 some do-nuttin function Jul 03 23:14:10 btw what happens on C-i? Jul 03 23:14:28 window goes to desktop Jul 03 23:14:31 segv? Jul 03 23:14:40 instead of uh Jul 03 23:14:55 well, not desktop Jul 03 23:15:22 * FIQ|n900 suck at describing Jul 03 23:15:29 but doing it risk crashing xchat Jul 03 23:15:34 for some reason Jul 03 23:15:36 segfault Jul 03 23:15:39 * DocScrutinizer feels like testing Jul 03 23:15:43 don't know why Jul 03 23:16:00 try holding the buttons if you don't manage to trigger it Jul 03 23:16:11 I know xchat serfaults a lot on unusual keys Jul 03 23:16:16 channel separates to a new window dedicated to that channel only Jul 03 23:16:24 happens occasionally, dunno why Jul 03 23:16:28 e.g try unmapping vol+/- (F7/8 ?) Jul 03 23:16:28 yes, exactly Jul 03 23:16:30 that's what happens on ctrl+i Jul 03 23:16:43 "to desktop" I belive it's called normally Jul 03 23:16:53 but that doesn't make much sense in maemo Jul 03 23:16:57 never had any segfault with xchat but i dont go and press all the keys Jul 03 23:17:15 brb restart Jul 03 23:17:32 well, I once thought font+/- like in xterm was nice for xchat Jul 03 23:17:37 on vol+/- Jul 03 23:17:45 so I unmapped the keys Jul 03 23:17:54 ->SEGV Jul 03 23:18:34 ~botsnack Jul 03 23:18:34 DocScrutinizer: aw, gee Jul 03 23:19:13 hm, well Jul 03 23:19:28 mapping C-i to something bogus was a *bad* idea Jul 03 23:19:44 xchat complained and broke my conf file now :p Jul 03 23:19:51 dang Jul 03 23:19:59 use mine! ;-D Jul 03 23:20:03 and it didn't even solve my problem Jul 03 23:20:11 ~jrtools /../xchat Jul 03 23:21:00 does it contain scary new shortcuts? Jul 03 23:21:09 ~google jrtools xchat Jul 03 23:21:12 NB xchat only writes back any changes done in preferences when you properly quit the app Jul 03 23:21:22 ~jrtools Jul 03 23:21:22 hmm... jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Jul 03 23:21:27 =g jrtools xchat Jul 03 23:21:30 ../xchat Jul 03 23:21:31 um, oops Jul 03 23:21:34 I lag Jul 03 23:22:01 [01:21:27] NB xchat only writes back any changes done in preferences when you properly quit the app Jul 03 23:22:05 or: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/xchat Jul 03 23:22:24 and pressing x button isn't "proper way"? Jul 03 23:22:30 ty Jul 03 23:22:31 it is Jul 03 23:22:46 hm, 404 Jul 03 23:22:56 *sigh* Jul 03 23:23:18 ah Jul 03 23:23:20 here we go Jul 03 23:23:21 http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/ Jul 03 23:23:31 yes Jul 03 23:23:40 http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/xchat/ Jul 03 23:23:50 fixed it Jul 03 23:24:17 ~jrxchat is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/xchat/ Jul 03 23:24:18 okay, DocScrutinizer Jul 03 23:25:17 does D1:... matter? because I got two rubbish characters there Jul 03 23:25:29 (C-b and C-k) Jul 03 23:26:29 G'night guys Jul 03 23:27:11 o/ Jul 03 23:27:15 ah, it's just chr(2) and 3 Jul 03 23:27:46 * DocScrutinizer also hits the sack Jul 03 23:28:32 sack Jul 03 23:33:00 ~strip Jul 03 23:33:01 Secure password and account manager for Palm Pilots.. URL: http://www.zetetic.net/products.html#strip Jul 03 23:33:09 ~striptease Jul 03 23:33:09 Hoogah Hoogah wah wah *takes of the box* *dances around showing of the cpu and memory* Ah yeah you likey my little HD no? Jul 03 23:35:43 now I'm sad for real Jul 03 23:35:53 C-i was impossible to override :( Jul 03 23:36:15 placed something less annoying there (insert a T in the inputbox), didn't work Jul 03 23:36:33 but this time it didn't complain on unknown settings, so it isn't that Jul 03 23:36:45 directly change the conf file Jul 03 23:38:16 i did Jul 03 23:38:30 it just ignored C-i Jul 03 23:38:41 but other things worked Jul 03 23:38:52 like changing the C-b shortcut Jul 03 23:42:56 after quick discussion with #xchat - it's impossible with current source Jul 03 23:43:07 of course that can be edited, but yeah **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jul 04 02:59:58 2012