**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jul 15 02:59:59 2012 Jul 15 06:19:36 Arrived at Delivery Facility in MANILA - PHILIPPINES, THE Jul 15 06:19:50 woohoo, my device's out of customs. Jul 15 06:30:26 another N900? nice Jul 15 11:04:08 GeneralAntilles: toxic? me? look at #harnattan to learn what's toxic Jul 15 11:11:23 the worst thing: since he's pretending to know everything and he actually knows just a bit about aegis and kde, I'm afraid several users would conceive kickbanning him to me "toxic" as well, while the other half of users placed him on their /ignore and thus the whole channel sounds silly Jul 15 11:16:08 naah Jul 15 11:20:45 s/to me/to be/ Jul 15 11:20:45 DocScrutinizer05 meant: Sun Jul 15 11:57:40 CEST 2012 3min and morning is over over here less than 3 ;) -- yes Sir, everybody in here is assumed to be able to read time values like 11:57:40. if something ends in 2min20 it doesn't mean the statement... Jul 15 11:21:12 haha, infobot does cross-channel s/// Jul 15 11:49:31 https://mysocialcloud.com/#!/security -- "one of the things that makes the site so secure is that we do not disclose the exact encryption practices." Jul 15 11:49:41 Yes, we all know SbO works so well. ;p Jul 15 12:31:44 Raimu: the WTF of the weekend? Jul 15 12:35:21 "The other sites get hacked because they tell the evil hackers what encryption they use, so we don't! This is a surefire security method!" Jul 15 12:37:10 no verbatim quote, I hope Jul 15 12:37:25 or I'll die in ROTFL Jul 15 12:39:05 The first one yes, the second one not. :P Jul 15 12:39:24 let's take bets how long til "evil hackers" feel like "I'll teach you about SbO" Jul 15 12:40:07 Not too long. Jul 15 17:05:44 is there any fix for the bug in bme in the n810 that causes the device to reboot when being charged other than buying a new battery? Jul 15 17:06:05 not any public one :/ Jul 15 17:06:33 Stskeeps: so I can't get it? Jul 15 17:06:51 i think the maemo organisation is pretty much gone by now in nokia Jul 15 17:08:29 so no fix? Jul 15 17:08:34 AFAIK Jul 15 17:08:40 rats Jul 15 17:13:07 ~seen freemangordon Jul 15 17:13:14 freemangordon was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 5d 9h 43m 50s ago, saying: 'kerio: no KP51 for you :P'. Jul 15 17:13:56 dammit, stop pinging me when looking for fmg :c Jul 15 17:14:06 :P Jul 15 17:14:20 it means you talk to the wrong people Jul 15 17:14:44 :D Jul 15 17:16:46 ~seen merlin1991 Jul 15 17:16:48 merlin1991 is currently on #maemo #harmattan #maemo-ssu. Has said a total of 31 messages. Is idling for 5h 21m 42s, last said: 'go with your browser to paste.dyndns.org, then you'll know why xD'. Jul 15 17:16:51 esaym153, i am affected by this trouble Jul 15 17:16:59 5 long hours Jul 15 17:31:23 rzr: esaym153: not only you Jul 15 17:32:13 rzr: a new battery supposedly does fix it though right? (because I just bought a new one...) Jul 15 17:32:27 afaik Jul 15 17:32:38 My current battery, though 3 years old, still get 10 days of standy time Jul 15 17:38:24 I can't confirm close relation of reboots and battery age Jul 15 17:39:20 * DocScrutinizer05 thinks it's genuine state of fubar in bme Jul 15 17:40:15 bme (or whatever they called it back when) worked kinda fine in y2000 nokia featurephones like 6210 Jul 15 17:41:01 and gave me a proper 7 years of almost-like-new lifetime with my 6210's battery Jul 15 17:41:51 despite 24/7/365 usage, and daily charging Jul 15 17:42:36 but well, the 6210 had not exactly a multitasking OS Jul 15 17:43:19 well, thing is if bme worked back then Jul 15 17:43:23 then it should work now Jul 15 17:43:29 i mean, things didn't change that much Jul 15 17:43:36 reflashing it does not help ? Jul 15 17:43:38 multitasking os doesn't matter that much Jul 15 17:43:40 only if they didn't manage to fsck it up Jul 15 17:43:58 which I think they evidently did Jul 15 17:44:09 well, i've had a look at n900 bme Jul 15 17:44:21 and if i had n900 i could disable reboot code Jul 15 17:44:26 as in, shutdown Jul 15 17:44:39 we're talking N810 here though Jul 15 17:44:58 you mean to say battery management software acroos maemo & s40 has the same base? Jul 15 17:45:03 and that's been a completely different kind of critter Jul 15 17:46:00 Sicelo: nobody but Stskeeps could tell for sure, but yes I'd suppose to find legacy cruft from 1998 in N900 BME Jul 15 17:46:36 btw 6210 been s40? I don't think so Jul 15 17:48:08 Sicelo: Stskeeps once told me looking at bme source blinds you and makes your eyes bleed, and I tend to 100% believe in this Jul 15 17:48:16 Anyone good at python? Jul 15 17:48:23 yes Jul 15 17:48:28 ;-ÜP Jul 15 17:48:46 but not me Jul 15 17:48:51 http://pastebin.com/MKuu30qm Jul 15 17:49:08 It should draw bubbles, upon clicking them they'll be removed, but it doesn't wok Jul 15 17:49:14 I'm helping out a friend Jul 15 17:53:05 ah, 6210 was the symbian one marketed as a navigator, i think :\ Jul 15 17:53:23 Sicelo: across symbian and all rap* based phones Jul 15 17:53:27 Sicelo: so s60 for sure Jul 15 17:53:32 Sicelo: and probably s40 Jul 15 17:53:50 interesting stuff Jul 15 17:54:20 another thing is, in n900 you've got rapuyama Jul 15 17:54:28 chip that is used just as a modem and gps interface on n900 Jul 15 17:54:36 on s40 it runs whole phone Jul 15 17:56:10 Sicelo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_6210 Jul 15 17:58:31 I said "7 years of battery life, with my y2000 6210" Jul 15 17:59:03 fsckng 6210 navigator appeared 2008 Jul 15 18:06:36 tbh if my 6210 ever rebooted due to "bme" going mad, I hardly would've noticed Jul 15 18:17:00 esaym153, how do u check your battery condition ? Jul 15 18:52:52 hi Jul 15 18:56:13 rzr: I have never checked the battery condition Jul 15 18:56:54 I am getting this error while trying to complie nodejs Jul 15 18:56:54 btw i am not using my n810 anymore/// Jul 15 18:56:55 Node.js configure error: No acceptable C compiler found! Jul 15 18:56:56 Please make sure you have a C compiler installed on your system and/or Jul 15 18:56:56 consider adjusting the CC environment variable if you installed Jul 15 18:56:56 it in a non-standard prefix. Jul 15 19:33:03 rzr: want to sell your n810? Jul 15 19:34:56 i dont think so Jul 15 19:35:07 i will trade for a n900 ;) Jul 15 19:37:03 I actually seen a used N810 for sale in a 2nd-hand shop some weeks ago. 4 years ago I paid as much for a new one Jul 15 19:37:21 and I could get 2 used N900 for the same price Jul 15 19:37:25 XP Jul 15 19:38:10 rzr: so beter wait another year, then buy Nokia for what you get for your N810 then Jul 15 19:39:34 (dang, I got an *unused* 'new' N810 here - spare for my still perfectly working one I used til I got the N900) Jul 15 20:12:53 the n9 looks pretty cool Jul 15 20:13:13 indeed Jul 15 20:17:19 hi ppl! i have a problem with my maemo@cssu@n900. It have very poor IO performance both internal storage and microsd. When i copy something (a directory with some files ~200mb) - i have no chances to success - copying starts normal (about 500kb/s), but falling down and after 1 or 2 minutes my device is stop responding Jul 15 20:18:35 i just unable to copy anything from storage to card or from network to card Jul 15 20:18:46 try: echo 4096 > /sys/block/mmcblk0/queue/nr_requests ; echo 4096 > /sys/block/mmcblk1/queue/nr_requests Jul 15 20:18:50 before copying Jul 15 20:19:45 ShadowJK: should i do it on device start? Jul 15 20:20:09 just yesterday I stumbled upon that when I tried to dd some stuff and it rebooted, had it happen before a couple of times with easy debian install for example, but just now found a fix (I guess, haven't tried it again) Jul 15 20:21:36 would it be a sane default setting? I noticed some tmo post told to disable swappolube but does it interfere? Jul 15 20:21:47 dump_01, doesn't matter Jul 15 20:22:23 expirience with dd: first dd 10mb - ok with good speed, second dd 10mb - much slower, 3-d - fail, need to ctrl-c but n900 just hangs for a 5 or more minutes.. Jul 15 20:23:00 how about after echoing that? Jul 15 20:23:57 the above suggestion should be done before you start any copying Jul 15 20:24:52 joga: i will try it. right now my n900 is not responding while trying to copy from nfs to microsd.. Jul 15 20:25:57 also if you have problems like rebooting while experimenting with that, maybe good to do fsck to the card like umount /dev/mmcblk0p1 && fsck -a /dev/mmcblk0p1 (maybe fsck a couple of times) and then mount /dev/mmcblk0p1 again Jul 15 20:26:26 at least I got some errors there yesterday after botching it up ;p Jul 15 20:29:58 thanks ppl, now device rebooted and i will try Jul 15 20:32:51 * dump_01 added channel to favorites Jul 15 20:35:29 is there a vnc server available for n900 besides x11vnc? Jul 15 20:35:41 so that I could run a virtual x screen on it? Jul 15 20:37:42 or xnest, maybe? Jul 15 20:41:12 not in the public repos Jul 15 20:42:40 jacekowski: installing chromium :-P Jul 15 20:42:54 so? Jul 15 20:43:19 oh. thought it was your repo Jul 15 20:43:28 it is Jul 15 20:46:03 jacekowski: how can i copy urls? long touching doesnt work Jul 15 20:46:27 ctrl+c Jul 15 20:48:07 how do i exit full screen? Jul 15 20:48:15 there is no f11 on the n900 kb :) Jul 15 20:48:33 Sicelo I'm having a hard time finding it, do you know where such a repo could be? Jul 15 20:48:45 nope. no idea Jul 15 20:48:52 oh, k Jul 15 20:49:30 you might have to compile your own or ask someone to do it for you Jul 15 20:49:58 Got a question guys: So, with the N900, the cellmodem driver must match the cellmodem firmware. How can I tell what version the driver side is? Jul 15 20:50:19 My 'about product' simply says Jul 15 20:50:49 Sicelo or maybe in easy debian..hmm Jul 15 20:51:10 I suspect my image of it is hosed tho, haven't tried it for a while Jul 15 20:51:25 robbiethe1st: wtf! voodoo? Jul 15 20:51:39 Eh, it happens when you hack it a bit too much... Jul 15 20:51:44 i could have sworn my "About Product" had something there before Jul 15 20:52:01 yeah. it had. i'm sure Jul 15 20:52:06 heh Jul 15 20:52:31 dafuq. :\ Jul 15 20:53:30 Sicelo heh yeah I can at least install the server in debbie :) Jul 15 20:53:38 kewl. :) Jul 15 20:53:55 I was thinking of using it with an adapter and a usb nic for network debugging at work Jul 15 20:54:20 so I don't need to carry a laptop if I just need to use wireshark occasionally ;p Jul 15 20:54:36 robbiethe1st: since it's your voodoo that did this, please report back when you get some solution Jul 15 20:54:39 :P Jul 15 20:55:33 heh Jul 15 20:56:28 joga: i'm basically a noob at these things .. what is it you want to do? Jul 15 20:57:45 Sicelo well, the vnc is mostly to try out if it's more reasonable to run heavy gui programs in it so that I get a scrollable display from a viewer and the program can run so that it's toolbars and elements aren't all squashed together into the tiny screen Jul 15 20:58:02 robbiethe1st: mine possibly got borked yesterday while playing with u-boot, which always crashes my device. i still wonder how other people are able to use it Jul 15 20:59:00 but what would be nice is that if I can run wireshark so it's manageable on the screen, I can just plug in the ethernet cable to a usb nic, which is plugged to n900 via an adapter and wireshark can analyze the traffic for me Jul 15 20:59:07 ShadowJK: runs copying smooth for 4 mins - almost success! Jul 15 20:59:45 Sicelo the stuff I mostly need it for is debugging some network cameras Jul 15 21:00:40 the hildonized wireshark not good enough for your use? Jul 15 21:01:13 * Sicelo admits it's not really hildonized, lol Jul 15 21:01:50 I've installed it in both easydebian and via app manager, but I wouldn't say it's very optimized still for such a small screen, and it's a hard task anyway Jul 15 21:02:27 maybe easier to fit it by customizing its own interface Jul 15 21:03:22 but I wouldn't need much and could just save the filters I need etc so interaction would be fairly minimal Jul 15 21:06:02 ah, works :) Jul 15 21:06:42 now I can use the vnc viewer in hildon to view lxde in easy debian, and set the resolution in vncserver Jul 15 21:10:06 if only I could find my usb nic now.. Jul 15 21:10:30 but I've tested it earlier and it worked fine, it's a nintendo wii ethernet adapter which is just some Asix usb nic Jul 15 21:11:06 Uh, why use VNC Jul 15 21:11:08 which package did you install in easydeb? Jul 15 21:11:18 Why not just use X? Jul 15 21:11:37 well, vnc can be seen from a bigger screen too, for one :) Jul 15 21:11:46 ...Or just use X. Jul 15 21:11:50 sure Jul 15 21:11:51 Over the network Jul 15 21:12:52 but I'm trying to make it so that I just need the n900 and the nic, how would you use X here? Jul 15 21:13:23 I'd like to have a "big screen" like 1280x1024 for example that I could scroll Jul 15 21:13:25 If you've got X on the other side, you can simply forward X(either specific applications or the entire screen) Jul 15 21:13:35 so that the interfaces in programs like wireshark wouldn't be so hard to use Jul 15 21:14:06 yeah but here's no other side necessarily, and I'm plugging the cable into n900, so wireshark needs to run there Jul 15 21:14:45 Oh, you're just trying for a bigger virtual screen on the N900? Jul 15 21:14:49 yeah Jul 15 21:15:20 actually it would be sort of awesome to replace the individual desktops with a freely scrollable big one Jul 15 21:16:01 http://www.sammynetbook.com/forum/threads/8917-Oversize-screen-resolution-and-screen-scrolling-in-Linux-is-it-possible Jul 15 21:16:10 would be something to look at, at least for ED Jul 15 21:16:48 I wouldn't know if I can configure n900 like that, I've familiar with xorg config on the matter though Jul 15 21:16:52 *I'm Jul 15 21:17:44 but vnc works fine for this :) Jul 15 21:17:59 and doesn't require much tweaking fortunately Jul 15 21:20:10 X on the N900 is the same as X anywhere else. Just make a backup with BackupMenu so if things stop working you can restore, and you're good. Jul 15 21:22:08 uh, I don't know if I want to mess with those on my phone ;) Jul 15 21:22:25 has someone tried setting such a virtual desktop there? Jul 15 21:23:46 which package did you install in easydeb? Jul 15 21:23:58 Sicelo tightvncserver (and wireshark) Jul 15 21:24:30 then ran debbie bash and there vncserver -geometry 1024x768 Jul 15 21:24:48 kewl. thanks :P Jul 15 21:24:55 then in maemo vnc server and connect to localhost:1 Jul 15 21:25:01 *vnc viewer Jul 15 21:28:44 now, ideally I guess I could in (easydeb) ~/.vnc/xstartup script set it to launch wireshark full screen ;) Jul 15 21:29:10 though sometimes it's useful to be able to get a terminal, heh, maybe just some minimal wm Jul 15 21:34:23 i thought the IO problems were solved with PR1.3 :( Jul 15 21:38:43 robbiethe1st: funny. I suggested oversize virtual desktop just yesterday Jul 15 21:39:12 and I wanted it today ;) Jul 15 21:39:13 though for PC with xephyr which doesn't fit on the 1024*768 screen Jul 15 21:40:11 heh I made the startup script use wireshark instead of Xsession but apparently the gtk theme is a bit uglier now Jul 15 21:40:35 but put width about 800 so I don't need to side scroll the vnc desktop, seems to be pretty ok Jul 15 21:49:05 robbiethe1st! Jul 15 21:49:08 robbiethe1st: i love you! Jul 15 21:49:26 but please find a way to backup and restore kernels Jul 15 21:50:06 *sigh* Jul 15 21:51:16 robbiethe1st: actually we could think about putting mtd_debug / nand* to purpose Jul 15 21:51:37 to backup and restore kernel partition Jul 15 21:51:54 c: Jul 15 21:52:05 mtd_debug read

Jul 15 21:52:06 mtd_debug write

Jul 15 21:52:08 mtd_debug erase Jul 15 21:52:54 t900:~# nanddump --help Jul 15 21:53:22 t900:~# nandwrite --help Jul 15 21:53:23 Usage: nandwrite [OPTION] MTD_DEVICE [INPUTFILE|-] Jul 15 21:56:58 could shift+bluearrow be used as a modified key? Jul 15 21:57:01 *modifier Jul 15 21:57:13 yes Jul 15 21:57:26 what's it called? I was thinking of a metakey for some wm in easydebian Jul 15 21:57:46 blue is alt iirc Jul 15 21:58:04 oh, hmm.. Jul 15 21:58:41 so I could press Ctrl+Alt? Jul 15 21:59:08 ctrl+alt has a special meanting, it invokes symbol vkbd Jul 15 21:59:26 it doesn't matter which way it's done? Jul 15 21:59:55 or uh, is that the same as alt+ctrl? Jul 15 22:00:00 well, you got a device to test it Jul 15 22:00:11 true, it doesn't Jul 15 22:01:45 hehe, I started x-terminal-emulator as wm and it's sideways :) Jul 15 22:04:09 oh but I'm such a moron, vnc viewer can send those keys for me Jul 15 22:04:47 though a hardware key would be nice of course, I was just checking if there was some wm that would be convenient to use with its keyboard Jul 15 22:08:30 actually ratpoison's ctrl-t is quite ok Jul 15 22:09:07 oh, the sideways terminal is probably because the height of the display is bigger than width Jul 15 22:13:43 actually ratpoison seems to work surprisingly well with the keyboard :) Jul 15 22:49:24 this version of wireshark seems to have maybe some bug with the loading screen progress bar and window size, it gets stuck but resizing the frame seems to have helped it continue Jul 15 22:49:44 just a guess though, didn't happen in lxde Jul 15 22:58:46 I'd actually think wireshark is simply too rich a GUI to be useful on a screen size of N900 Jul 15 22:59:39 aiui that's where tshark came from Jul 16 00:02:01 povbot_: seen infobot Jul 16 00:02:01 DocScrutinizer05: infobot was last seen in #maemo 6 hours, 45 minutes, and 12 seconds ago: merlin1991 is currently on #maemo #harmattan #maemo-ssu. Has said a total of 31 messages. Is idling for 5h 21m 42s, last said: 'go with your browser to paste.dyndns.org, then you'll know why xD'. Jul 16 00:40:48 nice nickname Jul 16 00:58:05 ysss ysss ysss Jul 16 00:58:16 fix your internet connection **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Jul 16 02:59:57 2012