**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jul 16 02:59:58 2012 Jul 16 10:05:14 Hi, what is the recommeded app for google-voice? (n900 - maemo cssu)? DialCentral gives me a problem, so does qvdial) Jul 16 10:05:26 isn't google voice sip? Jul 16 10:09:07 kerio: aha! Jul 16 14:51:07 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/07/16/nokia_lumia_sales_guesstimates/ Jul 16 14:55:34 * RST38h just wanted to post that link Jul 16 15:06:04 GeneralAntilles: Thanks for doing the issue. Travelling, I forgot. Jul 16 15:38:58 is the lumia selling? Jul 16 15:39:01 no Jul 16 15:39:12 fuckin' elop Jul 16 15:39:13 well, not on my country Jul 16 15:39:23 I have yet to see someone using a Nokia windows phone Jul 16 15:39:27 (on my country that is) Jul 16 15:49:21 I have only seen it in hands of qt/kde developers Jul 16 15:53:45 Jaffa, no worries. That's why we have more than one editor. ;) Jul 16 16:13:50 GeneralAntilles: Top tip, monitor the output after 6am UTC - MohammadAG's username is Mohammad7410 Jul 16 16:14:20 Jaffa, I think that was fiferboy. Jul 16 16:14:40 I saw him change it but didn't have the presence of mind at the time to notice. Jul 16 16:18:59 Jaffa, by the way, does the editor field accept multiple editors? Jul 16 16:26:10 Pali: can you push kps 0.15 again? Jul 16 16:26:31 X-Fade, ok I will push kernel-power-settings 0.15 again Jul 16 16:26:51 Pali: -source is in packages now. Jul 16 16:27:07 X-Fade, kernel-power-settings was uploaded Jul 16 16:27:35 Pali: Ok, let's see what happens. Jul 16 16:27:50 Going to get me something to eat and will check afterwards :) Jul 16 16:28:57 X-Fade, thanks Jul 16 16:29:14 Now I will upload kernel-power v51 to extras-devel again Jul 16 16:29:59 X-Fade, [2012-07-16 19:28:04] REJECTED: The same or newer version (kernel-power-settings 0.15) is already in extras-devel Jul 16 16:30:58 X-Fade, other error. kernel-power v51 is still uploading to extras-devel but I received email: [2012-07-16 19:30:01] REJECTED: 'File size for /mnt/incoming-builder/fremantle/kernel-power_2.6.28.orig.tar.gz does not match that specified in .dsc' Jul 16 16:31:13 Pali: Deleting the entry in packages atm. Jul 16 16:31:39 I stopped uploading Jul 16 16:32:01 Pali: try kps again? Jul 16 16:32:17 kps pushed again Jul 16 16:33:27 Pali: Oh, hmm it _was_ in the repo.. Other issue for me to check then.. Jul 16 16:34:09 h e n is not available in default n900 repository Jul 16 16:34:12 ? Jul 16 16:34:19 i cant find it in application manager Jul 16 16:36:07 extras-devel Jul 16 17:01:31 GeneralAntilles: Not sure, would have to check the source Jul 16 17:02:03 GeneralAntilles: No, currently it only supports one editor. Jul 16 17:05:14 hi i cant find h e n in repositary can any one tell me where i can download? Jul 16 17:05:39 i got disconnected earlier. if any one answered Jul 16 17:08:38 can any one send me the link to configure extra devel Jul 16 17:08:39 ? Jul 16 17:12:57 jean_brat: you have to enable the extras-devel repository, you can find instructions on the maemo wiki but are you sure you want to? it's not guaranteed to be reliable software Jul 16 17:13:04 (the whole repo, i mean) Jul 16 17:13:15 if you're ok with living on the "bleeding edge", as they say... Jul 16 17:13:27 http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-devel Jul 16 17:14:45 just wanted to get the h e n Jul 16 17:14:55 cant find it in usal repo Jul 16 17:25:12 HOLY SHIT! Jul 16 17:25:36 TWO THOUSAND EUROS!! For an N950! Jul 16 17:27:27 ~seen freemangordon Jul 16 17:27:33 freemangordon was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 6d 9h 58m 10s ago, saying: 'kerio: no KP51 for you :P'. Jul 16 17:27:43 ~seen _freemangordon Jul 16 17:27:44 _freemangordon was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 7d 3h 12m 54s ago, saying: 'Raimu: yep'. Jul 16 17:38:41 Interesting (re €2000 for the N950) Jul 16 17:39:59 I have to ponder which kind of idiot^Wperson is buying those things Jul 16 17:41:04 .oO (eur2000 ... could probably buy laptop.... ) Jul 16 17:44:03 for ā‚¬2000 you could almost buy a rMBP! Jul 16 17:44:27 wtf is an rMBP? Jul 16 17:44:41 retina macbook pro Jul 16 17:44:53 pffft. Jul 16 17:44:57 15" laptop, 2880x1800 screen Jul 16 17:45:14 I would rather have a road legal KDX220 Jul 16 17:45:18 hello guys Jul 16 17:45:31 i need some help :D Jul 16 17:45:46 how can i have a special keyboard layout to use when i connect an external keyboard? Jul 16 17:46:00 and of course, an easy way to switch between the default n900 keyboard layout and the external one Jul 16 17:48:06 nevermind, i think i saw the solution already Jul 16 17:56:25 2000 ā‚¬ for what Jul 16 17:56:51 for a huge display Jul 16 17:56:57 that most websites won't like anyways Jul 16 17:57:07 resolution* Jul 16 17:59:05 Meanwhile: NBC Purchases MSNBC Rights From Microsoft Jul 16 18:00:39 Extra fail. Jul 16 18:00:51 kerio: wait for the 13'' one Jul 16 18:01:18 kerio: then you'll be able to :) Jul 16 18:01:25 heh Jul 16 18:01:36 the "MS" in "MSNBC" hasn't been relevant for the better part of a decade or more Jul 16 18:03:15 so now it's Jul 16 18:03:15 NBC Jul 16 18:10:37 hey guys, i got a great wireless keyboard working on the n900 Jul 16 18:10:47 it also includes a trackball, and it is working, however it is VERY sensitive Jul 16 18:11:05 making it impossible to move the mouse around without going to the borders. Is there any way to adjust mouse sensitiveness? Jul 16 18:11:25 move the arrow* Jul 16 18:16:05 and sadly the mouse buttons don't seem to work. Instead of clicking it moves the mouse diagonally Jul 16 18:22:49 javispedro: meh, 15" is too small alreadty Jul 16 18:22:52 *already Jul 16 18:23:06 it's an effective 1440x900 resolution, just with very detailed subpixels Jul 16 18:27:23 wmarone_, the whole network is irrelevant. ;) Jul 16 18:28:04 That too Jul 16 18:28:15 But MSNBC was moot when MSN died. Jul 16 18:31:58 GeneralAntilles: the monday mourning photo is quite a hit :) Jul 16 18:32:19 that was such a bad morning Jul 16 18:32:23 javispedro, indeed. Jul 16 18:32:40 javispedro, that was inspired creativity by Jaffa. :D Jul 16 18:33:34 I can imagine, I was at the dublin keynote =) Jul 16 18:34:05 a Jul 16 18:34:11 so if it was the same guy it must have been truly hilarious. Jul 16 18:34:30 Dublin was better Jul 16 18:34:50 at least there wasn't the overwhelming manic melancholy in Dublin. Jul 16 18:36:28 meh Jul 16 18:37:19 GeneralAntilles: well, the axe hadn't fallen yet Jul 16 18:38:32 wmarone_, exactly. Jul 16 18:39:26 though it was funny seeing the same keynote two years in a row, albeit with less broken-leg the second time around Jul 16 18:41:36 ~seen zeq Jul 16 18:41:44 zeq <~steve@cpc19-rdng21-2-0-cust106.15-3.cable.virginmedia.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 9d 3h 25m 59s ago, saying: 'BlueMaemo does it over bluetooth'. Jul 16 18:42:06 WTF has happened to this guy?!? Jul 16 18:44:10 lol Jul 16 18:44:39 oh by the way freemangordon, if you wouldn't mind, could you help me? :D Jul 16 18:44:52 i could try :) Jul 16 18:45:06 How many people caught Zemlin's "Something about a fire." comment during the keynote in SF? Jul 16 18:45:23 Well, i got a nice external keyboard that I connected using h-e-n, got the layout sorted out so everything is working fine. Jul 16 18:45:39 but it also contains a trackball, and that also works, but it is way too sensitive to handle Jul 16 18:46:15 and the buttons for the trackball don't work. It seems to drag the mouse a few pixels instead Jul 16 18:46:19 you could try to set sensitivity in HAL script Jul 16 18:46:27 same for the buttons Jul 16 18:47:58 RiD: Check the contents of /usr/lib/hal and/ot /usr/share/hal (iirc) for examples Jul 16 18:48:58 will do. Accidentally rebooted my phone (sigh) Jul 16 18:54:19 RiD: another example here:http://jasonxh.blogspot.com/2008/02/slow-down-your-evdev-mouse.html Jul 16 18:57:12 i am now officially lost Jul 16 19:01:00 RiD: why? what you need is a HAL FDI script. Another option could be an udev rule, never used it though. Jul 16 19:03:29 so, would evdev-speed-1.1.5.patch provided on that blog work? Jul 16 19:04:21 RiD: NFC, that was just an example on how should an HAL FDI script look like Jul 16 19:07:03 the problem is that I don't know how to make a script. I don't know how to script at all Jul 16 19:08:41 RiD: by using a text editor (leafpad, mcedit, whatever you want that saves the files with UNIX line endings) Jul 16 19:15:55 freemangordon: email! Jul 16 19:16:05 no email here. Jul 16 19:17:40 vi__: yep :P Jul 16 19:18:06 but it was a mail asking for my address and phone number Jul 16 19:19:03 Maybe they have yours. You live in Papua New Guinea, ain't? :D:D:D Jul 16 19:19:15 nope. Jul 16 19:19:40 did you see an N950 sold for 2000 euros? Jul 16 19:20:51 no. 2000 euros? WTF, this guy should be crazy. Jul 16 19:21:33 good business :D Jul 16 19:24:26 Pali: the error you have is not woth modules.dep Jul 16 19:24:38 look at the end of the file Jul 16 19:25:02 Pali: "no such file" Jul 16 19:30:45 Pali: maybe you should have the path to kernel-power-headers too Jul 16 19:47:03 ok, I give up. Finding the formula to convert battery temperatures inside BME is too hard. Jul 16 19:48:33 jonwil: hmm, why is that? Couldn't we just compare get the output from ADC for several points wna approximate it with a second/third order polinomial? Jul 16 19:48:49 \maybe Jul 16 19:49:54 jonwil: do you have the code to read the ADC? Jul 16 19:50:09 but I think better idea might be to find the part number for (and datasheet of/specs of) R1110 (listed on the schematics as the temperature sensor and directly connected to the ADC input) Jul 16 19:50:51 sure, but do we have any clue what is the chip? DocScrutinizer06: ^^^ Jul 16 19:51:07 the temprature sensor is listed on the schematics as R110 Jul 16 19:51:10 R1110 Jul 16 19:51:18 its a 10k something Jul 16 19:51:22 hmm, lemme ask google Jul 16 19:51:27 I am guessing the 10k might be in ohms Jul 16 19:51:36 a 10k NTC or PTC Jul 16 19:51:42 aha, I think its some sort of thermistor Jul 16 19:51:50 no way to find out about the type Jul 16 19:52:42 if we had a part number for the thermistor we could come up with the formula that maps resistance to temprature Jul 16 19:54:19 jonwil: But how we are supposed ti find that, r1110 has nothing to do with part number :( Jul 16 19:54:43 I still think it is better to just approximate it Jul 16 19:56:46 freemangordon: how did you fennec version come along? Jul 16 19:57:50 vi__: I was on holiday for the last week Jul 16 19:58:25 ~seen _freemangordon Jul 16 19:58:32 _freemangordon was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 7d 5h 43m 42s ago, saying: 'Raimu: yep'. Jul 16 19:58:42 7days= q week. Jul 16 19:58:48 7days=1 week. Jul 16 19:58:52 seems legit Jul 16 19:58:59 Immortalized highlight. Inconvenient. Jul 16 19:59:49 Raimu: DocScrutinizer had a highlight that got said by infobot like 20 times :D Jul 16 20:01:22 is a thumb compiled browserd possible or is there too much closed source douchebaggery? Jul 16 20:03:20 vi__: Hey, freemangordon did it already. Jul 16 20:03:42 ...or was it just some other part of microb? Jul 16 20:03:53 * Raimu Shrugged Jul 16 20:03:59 are you jerking my chain? Jul 16 20:06:09 I was just fazed for a while over whether you meant microb, because that's released, already. Jul 16 20:07:14 Then I went "oh right, they're separate components" Jul 16 20:07:18 jonwil: we don't have that part number Jul 16 20:07:30 ok Jul 16 20:08:16 jonwil: do you have the code to read ADC BSI? Jul 16 20:08:23 no Jul 16 20:08:31 I dont have any bme related code as such Jul 16 20:08:58 so get 3 support points by using a thermometer and your fridge / warm place. Find diagram of a random NTC/PTC and stretch it so the 3 support points match Jul 16 20:09:19 jonwil :) I know, my question could be read as: Did you RE the code to read ADC? Jul 16 20:09:28 no Jul 16 20:09:32 ok Jul 16 20:09:46 jonwil: do you plan to RE it? Jul 16 20:09:46 s/random/random 10k/ Jul 16 20:09:46 reading adc is easy Jul 16 20:09:47 DocScrutinizer06 meant: so get 3 support points by using a thermometer and your fridge / warm place. Find diagram of a random 10k NTC/PTC and stretch it so the 3 support points match Jul 16 20:09:52 you can get to it via /sys iirc Jul 16 20:09:57 jacekowski: no Jul 16 20:10:01 you can't Jul 16 20:10:05 yes you can Jul 16 20:10:07 you can get to it via /dev/twl2040-adc or something Jul 16 20:10:21 it's standard i2c chip Jul 16 20:10:25 specs are public Jul 16 20:10:28 there is no need to RE it Jul 16 20:10:29 anyway you need ioctl to read it Jul 16 20:10:33 jacekowski: ^^^ Jul 16 20:10:36 and all the stuff is there Jul 16 20:11:00 jacekowski: twl4030 is not THAT standard ;-) Jul 16 20:11:07 standard enough Jul 16 20:11:13 AFAIK there is an ioctl to read all ADC inputs , raw data Jul 16 20:11:23 yes Jul 16 20:11:32 BSI is just a resistor Jul 16 20:11:34 that's all Jul 16 20:11:44 battery temprature gauge is a thermistor Jul 16 20:11:45 BSI is thermistor Jul 16 20:11:52 we're not talking BSI Jul 16 20:11:59 though it's kinda similar Jul 16 20:12:04 the schematics say its a thermistor Jul 16 20:12:08 where Jul 16 20:12:20 according to all measurments done by me and other people Jul 16 20:12:23 that's a resistor Jul 16 20:12:29 and it's specific to battery type Jul 16 20:12:36 not BSI Jul 16 20:12:40 battery temprature sensor Jul 16 20:12:45 ok, sorry , my bad Jul 16 20:12:52 where is it? Jul 16 20:13:04 in the battery? Jul 16 20:13:05 R1110 Jul 16 20:13:10 no Jul 16 20:13:11 its not in the battery Jul 16 20:13:18 its some unknown part on the PCB Jul 16 20:13:28 ahm Jul 16 20:13:29 that one Jul 16 20:13:39 well, then that's a thermistor Jul 16 20:13:45 :D Jul 16 20:13:45 not really much of a problem then Jul 16 20:13:50 probably in close contact to the metal bay the battery gets inserted to Jul 16 20:14:00 we know that the temprature sensor is a thermistor Jul 16 20:14:23 what we dont know is the forumula this specific thermistor uses to map temperatures to resistance levels Jul 16 20:14:30 different parts will do it differently Jul 16 20:14:40 jacekowski: it is a problem as long as we don't have its R/T diagram Jul 16 20:15:12 jonwil: but they all have same "order" diagram. so with 3 support points you're fine Jul 16 20:15:19 hmm Jul 16 20:15:28 freemangordon: ^^^ as well Jul 16 20:15:31 freemangordon: that can be REed easily Jul 16 20:15:39 lemme see Jul 16 20:16:06 DocScrutinizer06: 3 wouldn't be enough , lemme refresh my memory a bit Jul 16 20:16:12 hmmmmm Jul 16 20:17:28 y=ax^2+bx+c Jul 16 20:17:36 DocScrutinizer06: 3 would be enough for a thermocouple, not for a thermistor, IIRC it is a semiconductor after all ( dust, but still) Jul 16 20:18:10 DocScrutinizer06: I think we need at least third order Jul 16 20:18:19 you start with 3 and check with a 4th Jul 16 20:18:59 DocScrutinizer06: check Steinhart-Hart equation on wikipedia Jul 16 20:19:13 if the 4th is off, you go one order higher polynom Jul 16 20:19:32 ~wiki Steinhart-Hart Jul 16 20:19:39 At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steinhart-Hart (URL), Wikipedia explains: "The 'SteinhartĆ¢Ā€Ā“Hart equation' is a model of the resistance of a semiconductor at different temperatures. The equation is: :{1 \over T} = A + B \ln(R) + C (\ln(R))^3 \, where: * T is the temperature (in kelvins) * "R" is the resistance at "T" (in ohms) * A, B, and C are the 'Steinhart-Hart coefficients' which vary depending on the type and model of thermistor and the ... Jul 16 20:20:06 ugh Jul 16 20:20:11 yeah Jul 16 20:20:15 there is a lot of code to calculate that battery temperature Jul 16 20:20:20 and i mean A LOT Jul 16 20:20:29 and it's floating point Jul 16 20:20:32 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermistor Jul 16 20:20:49 jacekowski: WTF?! Jul 16 20:21:10 so, we need to find those 3 parameters in the equation, lemme check if my matlab still works Jul 16 20:21:13 remember also that there is a capacitor connected to the ADC as well as the thermistor Jul 16 20:21:23 jonwil: should not matter Jul 16 20:21:26 ok Jul 16 20:21:32 that is a filter Jul 16 20:21:55 DocScrutinizer06: well, i know where it reads BTEMP Jul 16 20:21:58 DocScrutinizer06: in BME Jul 16 20:22:08 DocScrutinizer06: as in raw value from ADC Jul 16 20:22:14 I found out where its reading the battery temp too Jul 16 20:22:23 well, matlab starts ok, I just need the data :D Jul 16 20:22:26 .text:0001DC1C Jul 16 20:22:39 you've got that one? Jul 16 20:22:41 jacekowski: lemme fire IDA Jul 16 20:23:45 for bme-replacement purposes, those 3 parameters clearly are confic variables you feed to the module by whatever means at runtime Jul 16 20:23:47 I got as far as 1DCC0 Jul 16 20:24:04 I saw the raw ADC value come as far as that Jul 16 20:24:09 so at 1DCC0 R0 is the raw value Jul 16 20:24:33 at least as far as I can tell its the raw ADC value Jul 16 20:24:38 fine, fsck steinhart-hart and build a LUT Jul 16 20:24:56 with linear interpolation ;-D Jul 16 20:25:08 then what I saw is that sub_17D44 did a bunch of stuff I couldn't follow Jul 16 20:25:16 after all that temperature is a geustimate Jul 16 20:25:16 and returned some other value Jul 16 20:25:22 jonwil: raw'ish Jul 16 20:25:30 jonwil: it looks like it's float in there Jul 16 20:25:37 eeeek Jul 16 20:25:47 yeah it looks like sub_17D44 is FPU Jul 16 20:25:53 worse still ARM FPU Jul 16 20:25:56 a float for a 12?-bit ADC value Jul 16 20:26:07 which from what I can tell is even MORE complex than x86 FPU Jul 16 20:26:08 WTF?!! Jul 16 20:26:21 in any case I definatly gotta zzz now being that its 4am here :) Jul 16 20:26:24 later guys Jul 16 20:26:29 i've had it emulated some time ago Jul 16 20:26:32 l8r Jul 16 20:26:39 if you get anywhere, let me know :) Jul 16 20:26:40 * DocScrutinizer06 is off now too Jul 16 20:26:41 but then i've realised that there is no real need for it Jul 16 20:26:55 as it may be simpler to just RE it from the battery itself Jul 16 20:27:16 you mean from the temperature sensor directly? Jul 16 20:27:34 as in reverse engineering the thermistor values Jul 16 20:27:59 NOT battery Jul 16 20:28:20 unless you mean from temeprature of battery and whole device Jul 16 20:28:23 either way, figuring it out seems to be important for a BME replacement (as pulseaudio relies on temprature data to do its work) Jul 16 20:28:40 definatly zzz now Jul 16 20:28:42 cya Jul 16 20:28:43 weird enough Jul 16 20:29:08 jacekowski: then we just need some code to read ADC raw value and BME temperature Jul 16 20:29:23 :nod: Jul 16 20:29:30 pragmatic approach Jul 16 20:29:41 DocScrutinizer: LUT should do the job too, but I hate LUTs :D Jul 16 20:29:59 well, it looks like it's linear Jul 16 20:30:04 as far as i remember Jul 16 20:30:09 so all you need is 2 points Jul 16 20:30:39 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermistor Jul 16 20:30:46 jacekowski: IIRC how the thermistor works, there is no way it is linear. It MIGHT be linear for just a short diapason Jul 16 20:30:51 linear is good for a "small range" Jul 16 20:30:58 we got a small range here Jul 16 20:31:30 DocScrutinizer06: up to 60-70 deg is not a small range Jul 16 20:32:10 it is for a thermistor Jul 16 20:32:18 you can "linearise" them Jul 16 20:32:32 as long as the error over range -20C-80C is less than 2Ā° off, it's just pretty fine Jul 16 20:33:11 well, http://www.fpharm.uniba.sk/fileadmin/user_upload/english/Fyzika/Thermistor.pdf a sample diagram Jul 16 20:34:55 its too far from line to approximate it with a simple ax+b Jul 16 20:36:51 well, kinda Jul 16 20:37:11 i don't think it cares about precise temperature measurments anyways Jul 16 20:38:35 if bme uses FPU to calculate the temp, we should use the same, trying to keep the precision as high as possible, and readings as close to BME as possible. Jul 16 20:38:53 After all we don't know how is that temp reading used Jul 16 20:38:59 dafaq Jul 16 20:39:40 I dunno how it's used but I know how precise is the original raw data Jul 16 20:39:53 exactly not at all Jul 16 20:40:06 you could have some PID, or whatever Jul 16 20:40:26 you also could have a loose battery Jul 16 20:40:53 od cold wind blowing through the whole device Jul 16 20:40:57 or* Jul 16 20:41:14 sure, but adding our own error to the above won't make things better :) Jul 16 20:41:33 nor worse Jul 16 20:41:58 TBH I don't see a reason why not do our best to have the best precision possible Jul 16 20:42:26 after all noone will calculate the coefficients by hand Jul 16 20:42:57 using finicky float algo though might increase cpu load and codesize and possibility of errors sneaking in Jul 16 20:43:09 I told you, just give me the data and I will use matldb for whatever order polinomial is needed Jul 16 20:43:49 DocScrutinizer06: we can use integers Jul 16 20:44:00 without loosing precision Jul 16 20:44:07 losing* Jul 16 20:44:10 yes, that's what I said Jul 16 20:45:15 DocScrutinizer06: BTW are you aware that fcam drivers work with cssu-kernel? Jul 16 20:45:17 for a 12bit AD value a 32bit integer is way more than overprovisioning Jul 16 20:45:24 :nod: Jul 16 20:46:16 hmm, actually it depends on polinomial order Jul 16 20:46:40 if we need x^4, then it would not be enough i think Jul 16 20:47:55 who would need that precision? PA? hardly Jul 16 20:48:26 bme? definitely not, for bme replacement a simple compare of raw value against a threshold is all you need Jul 16 20:49:05 well, some pluginn ads EXACTLY 7 deg to BME reading to find out the ambiet temperature :D Jul 16 20:49:27 LOL Jul 16 20:49:47 hald-addon-usb or something Jul 16 20:50:04 o/ ->dinner Jul 16 20:59:07 i went full retard guys! Jul 16 20:59:22 anyone has a copy of transp, that is on /usr/share/icons/default? Jul 16 21:16:49 freemangordon: how do fcam drivers work with cssu-kernel? Jul 16 21:18:31 wow, somebody seems to have updated the "power user" kernel... Interesting.. Jul 16 21:19:03 kerio: NFC. http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1235235&postcount=345 Jul 16 21:20:08 that's not fcam, that's bless900 Jul 16 21:22:56 kerio: afaik it uses fcam drivers Jul 16 21:22:59 FWIW, Gentoo's kernel has fcam merged into it (ie, not a separate package) Jul 16 21:23:13 well, Gentoo/N900 Jul 16 22:09:37 noobmode. I accidentally enabled cursor on applications, how do i disable it? Jul 16 22:10:06 it appears on applications like FAPMAN and so on Jul 16 22:15:46 ..aand nevermind ^ Jul 17 00:05:59 DocScrutinizer, I was able to repair keyboard, that I've mentioned about having "overactive" z. To my pleasant surprise, disassembling domesheet was piece of cake, same for assembling Jul 17 00:06:13 it turned out that this devil is only scarry on paintings. Jul 17 00:06:54 "domesheet" that word always get me Jul 17 00:07:09 Unsticking white adhesive was very easy, without any pre-heating -it seem to be containing this kind of glue, that can be sticked and unsticked many times, easidly, without loosing adhesivness Jul 17 00:07:18 RiD, why? :) Jul 17 00:07:43 design of this keyboard is very simple and very clever, effective... Jul 17 00:07:59 "to ma pleashant shurpraise disassembling da dome sh-t was a piece of cake" Jul 17 00:08:30 talking about keyboard, are your keyboard keys wearing out? Jul 17 00:08:45 some of my keys are looking horrid Jul 17 00:08:54 metal plates are easidly removable and attachable to other place. As long as You have this metal thing ok (or You manage to bring it ok via hot/cold) it's pleasure to repair Jul 17 00:09:04 RiD, hehe, mine doesn't in any way Jul 17 00:09:10 :( Jul 17 00:09:19 mine looks a piece of crap Jul 17 00:09:23 I was always wondering, are they differrent between revisions, so much? Jul 17 00:09:29 i think so Jul 17 00:09:41 some were more shiny, others more square-ish Jul 17 00:09:49 2101 I have seems undestructible Jul 17 00:09:56 well Jul 17 00:09:58 and I write much on N900 (and fast) Jul 17 00:10:03 how fast? Jul 17 00:10:05 (even now I'm writing on it) Jul 17 00:10:18 i can't write more than 65wpm on this keyboard Jul 17 00:10:33 no freaking idea, I've never measured it Jul 17 00:11:03 google 10 fast fingers or so Jul 17 00:11:11 ;) Jul 17 00:11:18 it's a bit ugly to test using the browser anyways Jul 17 00:11:24 it reacts slowly Jul 17 00:11:39 better tell me, how to send fucking message on fucking facebook using microB. God, how I hate that portal. Jul 17 00:11:53 Never ever use it, except for now, I must send one freaking message Jul 17 00:12:09 better go to mobile facebook lol Jul 17 00:12:11 created disposable identity, just for doing it, and trashing as soon as used Jul 17 00:12:42 i hate how facebook is super basic on mobile mode, but now too complex on pc mode Jul 17 00:12:47 gratz to faceshit, first page I see that doesn't register pressing button, even by cursor mode Jul 17 00:12:54 the old facebook behave just right on microb Jul 17 00:13:05 how to get old one? ;) Jul 17 00:13:10 you don't Jul 17 00:13:27 it isn't complex, it is brain fucked Jul 17 00:13:30 well, there used to be greasemonkey scripts to get rid of the new "photo viewer" Jul 17 00:13:36 it is not so basic, that it even doesn't work Jul 17 00:13:40 that is somewhat iframe-like and therefore sucks on n900 Jul 17 00:13:45