**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jul 17 02:59:58 2012 Jul 17 07:32:06 It would be better if I can set the clock by numbers on hardware keyboard. Jul 17 07:42:44 LaoLang_cool: well, you're preaching to the choir Jul 17 07:43:29 timepicker and datepicker slotmachines are my favourite object to focus all my hate on them Jul 17 07:44:46 heh...they're pretty horrid Jul 17 07:44:54 the only things in m5 that's vsynced Jul 17 07:45:05 yeah, but iPhone'ish Jul 17 07:46:44 * DocScrutinizer06 idly ponders to watch what became of his comment/bugticket on dev.nokia.com about slotmachine idiocy Jul 17 07:47:45 From news article about new ms office, it sounded like ms has replaced every font picker and menu thing with similar rotating sliding things in new office :P Jul 17 07:49:21 DocScrutinizer06, with hardware keyboard, I can pick time quicklk in some cases. Jul 17 07:49:33 s/qucklk/quickly/ Jul 17 07:50:28 DocScrutinizer06: add to that the clock use to se the hour when you turn on the phone for the first time Jul 17 07:51:22 yeah, the only place where they got it right, and that one isn't available as a widget anywhere Jul 17 07:52:46 on HARM the situation is kinda similar: MTF has a nice rotary dial with "hands" like a clock, but it's deprecated and none of the Q* frameworks has anything like that Jul 17 08:11:59 the clock-like time picker is awful Jul 17 08:13:27 nowadays i just push "ok" and then sync the time with ntp or gps Jul 17 08:16:29 hmm, ntp... Jul 17 08:31:34 kerio: it's a number of magnitudes better than the slotmachine timepicker Jul 17 08:38:20 DocScrutinizer06: both are hard to use. the slotmachines are also slow Jul 17 08:38:46 specially with minutes and days of month Jul 17 08:39:29 StyXman: slotmachine for date has a number of severe shortcomings, too many to list them here right now Jul 17 08:45:21 well, what are you (the cssu dudes) waiting for? Jul 17 08:45:47 i think "slotmachine" describes the biggest problem well Jul 17 08:56:55 can someone tell me what symton code 4101 means Jul 17 08:57:52 symton? Jul 17 08:58:09 symptom Jul 17 08:58:18 sorry Jul 17 08:58:20 and from where did you see that? Jul 17 08:58:48 on the nokia extended warranty check Jul 17 08:59:08 on a printout they gave me Jul 17 08:59:46 they gave you a print out with the numbers 4101.. that's not very useful isn't it? Jul 17 09:00:53 they said the phone had been scrapped prior to me buying is and gave me a printout with this code on it Jul 17 09:01:20 this 4101 was supposed to be the reason it was scrapped Jul 17 09:02:09 my guess that 4101 could be the device's revision number. I can't see it being a symptom code without any further relevant information in regarding to it as being an issue Jul 17 09:04:03 so let me guess, you had to get your N900 repaired and they scrapped it for you? Jul 17 09:07:20 the phone was bought from a compan y on ebay Jul 17 09:07:46 just on phone to nolia Jul 17 09:07:51 nokia Jul 17 09:08:06 typing with one finger sorry Jul 17 09:08:37 but they are reluctant to tell me what code 4101 means Jul 17 09:09:33 lol I guess that's nokia for you Jul 17 09:09:57 I am off the phone now Jul 17 09:10:33 in the first instance before I had told them the imei number of the phone they said it had been liquid damaged Jul 17 09:11:06 from my best guesses, 4101 is revision number, every N900 has a revision number which is visible in a fair few places: 1) the packaging box, 2) through the flasher tool and 3) enabling r&d mode and seeing the green stuff printed over the nokia logo Jul 17 09:11:28 but they could not possibly have been able to say that if they didn't have the phone details Jul 17 09:12:10 no its not a revision number its what they call a symptom code Jul 17 09:12:21 well whoever scrapped it for you would have probably entered that information into a database of some sort Jul 17 09:12:27 its the reason they scrapped this phone Jul 17 09:12:56 if that's the case then maybe liquid damaged = symptom code 4101? Jul 17 09:12:59 the phone was bought off ebay sold as new by a company called cellphoneforever Jul 17 09:13:13 ahh that mob.. Jul 17 09:14:04 * psycho_oreos recalls of that thread about the same ebay seller selling second hand (presumably stolen too) N900 as new or refurbished Jul 17 09:14:07 but when I took the phone to the nokia care center yesterday they told me this phone had originally been sold in Australia and was scrapped by nokia Jul 17 09:14:55 yeah I think that's quite normal coming from that ebay seller Jul 17 09:15:51 how much did you pay for it? Jul 17 09:16:37 the think is nokia are being a little dishonest trying to distance themselves by say this was liquid damaged and was sent back to the owner but nokia could not possibly know that without the imei number in other words they made that excuse up to absolve themselves I paid £129 Jul 17 09:17:41 hmm almost the price of brand new N900 back then.. would have been ripped off Jul 17 09:17:47 on the printed I got from the nokia repair centre it says it was scrapped because of symptom code 4101 Jul 17 09:18:23 but the phone was scrapped in Australia 06-05-2011 Jul 17 09:18:36 did you ask the staff there what exactly is symptom code 4101? Jul 17 09:18:49 I could do with know what symptom code 4101 means Jul 17 09:18:59 nokia wont tell me Jul 17 09:19:10 I wouldn't personally know, I don't work in nokia.. Jul 17 09:19:36 I think they want to taylor their response to keep them out of this Jul 17 09:20:00 in the worst case scenario I could only say that you have been ripped off from cellphonesforever. There was a rather nice tmo thread about this Jul 17 09:20:23 I think this cellphoneforever company might be the company which nokia sends the scrpped phones to and they are reselling some of them as new on ebay Jul 17 09:21:57 that would be quite hillarious, people in the know purchasing second hand devices as new would be ripped off. Surely cellphonesforever can't be that naive to not realise they're not going to make profit if people started realising they were ripped off and gave the seller bad rating Jul 17 09:22:09 ebay have refused to disclose the seller address details as well Jul 17 09:23:26 they normally would, but there might be ways to dispute the case by saying that you were ripped off. Not saying that there's any guarantees but hopefully you'll make a dent on their (cellphonesforever) reputation Jul 17 09:23:45 yes Jul 17 09:25:25 actually.. I just double checked the conversion rates and I was well off the mark there in terms of what you paid for would be close to the actual price for the device when it was brand new Jul 17 09:27:05 but in either cases I wouldn't expect one to be selling N900 brand new.. nokia stopped manufacturing N900 ages ago and the people that tried to get their N900 repaired either got their N900 replaced with something that isn't even a maemo device or potentially a refurbished device Jul 17 09:28:38 psycho_oreos: ough, now I undestand why mine looks refurbished Jul 17 09:30:31 StyXman, not saying that it is but the last I went on tmo I've been constantly hearing that N900 owners are often been given N8/E7. The `replacement' N900 (or was supposed to be..) was what I started hearing later on mostly through irc Jul 17 09:31:52 psycho_oreos: I mean, I bouhgt it from the same vendor Jul 17 09:32:03 but I can't find the thread in tmpo Jul 17 09:32:10 only a short poll Jul 17 09:32:12 StyXman, ... cellphonesforever? Jul 17 09:32:23 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=82842&highlight=cellphonesforever Jul 17 09:32:30 psycho_oreos: yeah, or something similar Jul 17 09:32:46 IRRC there are two similarly called Jul 17 09:33:06 nokia is on phone again Jul 17 09:34:12 StyXman, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=78605 <--- missing an extra s in cellphones Jul 17 09:34:26 that was the thread that I responded Jul 17 09:34:34 psycho_oreos: ack Jul 17 09:34:56 rather I responded with checking out the seller's info Jul 17 09:36:06 StyXman, also searching for `cellphoneforever' instead of `cellphonesforever' yields plenty more results Jul 17 09:41:27 gaaaah Jul 17 09:41:29 heh even that link you posted had a user saying that cellphonesforever seems to be selling OEM/refurbished goods as new Jul 17 09:41:36 why doesn't the file picker in microB work Jul 17 09:41:42 fucking bullshit Jul 17 09:41:50 * psycho_oreos bets cellphoneforever == cellphonesforever Jul 17 09:49:44 well, mine looks like some liquid has been inside, and the usb port does not work for chargingn anymore (even when it looks firmly attached) Jul 17 09:54:28 I'd get that microUSB port resoldered if I can. As for the liquid spillage that happened prior to your ownership.. there's no other real alternatives but to use the device as it is until it eventually becomes unusable Jul 17 09:55:54 well, clean it with IPA Jul 17 09:56:33 you can pretty much just spray ipa directly onto main board Jul 17 10:01:58 * psycho_oreos thought of a whacky idea and that is to soak N900 entirely into a tub of non-conductable oil and to use N900 permanently in that tub Jul 17 10:02:52 at least the rust won't be able to eat any further lol, it cannot breathe for starters :D Jul 17 10:17:08 jacekowski: IPA? Jul 17 10:17:59 Isopropyl alcohol Jul 17 10:18:58 yes Jul 17 10:19:47 I should try Jul 17 10:20:58 any technique in particular, besides swabbing/rubbing it ? Jul 17 10:21:29 well ideally you would leave it in ipa for some time Jul 17 10:21:35 shaking it and everything Jul 17 10:21:41 to make sure it can disolve everything Jul 17 10:21:45 just the main board Jul 17 10:21:51 as it will disolve plastic Jul 17 10:23:49 not including the various films that support conducting lines? Jul 17 10:24:19 f.i., the ont connecting to the module close to the camera and the usb port... Jul 17 10:26:07 wtf whole mobo in alcohol? Jul 17 10:27:48 ahm Jul 17 10:27:52 i forgot about the camera Jul 17 10:27:58 that may disolve Jul 17 10:28:12 you are a bit nuts, aren't you? Jul 17 10:28:29 a bit Jul 17 10:28:31 ugh Jul 17 10:28:40 StyXman: well, distilled water is safe Jul 17 10:28:47 hehehehe Jul 17 10:29:01 StyXman: if you use normal water to dissolve most of the stuff Jul 17 10:29:07 StyXman: and then rinse it with distilled Jul 17 10:29:14 and then dry it on a heater Jul 17 10:29:42 heater as in hair dryer? Jul 17 10:29:48 sunrays work? :-P Jul 17 10:29:55 well, depends on how much you trust your oven Jul 17 10:30:01 if you can set it to 40C and not any more Jul 17 10:30:06 you can dry it in there Jul 17 10:30:11 not much, it's electric and I'm not used to it Jul 17 10:30:33 definetely not try to set it at 40 or so Jul 17 10:30:46 then hair dryer would do Jul 17 10:30:47 but why are you talking about cooking an n900? Jul 17 10:30:51 it's not that precise Jul 17 10:31:07 RiD: om nom! Jul 17 10:31:15 RiD: well, that liquid that was spilled on it Jul 17 10:31:17 RiD: what was it Jul 17 10:31:36 RiD, StyXman has got a refurbished N900 and he reckons the N900 has been through some liquid spillagfe Jul 17 10:31:44 s/spillagfe/spillage/ Jul 17 10:31:44 psycho_oreos meant: RiD, StyXman has got a refurbished N900 and he reckons the N900 has been through some liquid spillage Jul 17 10:32:01 ok Jul 17 10:32:07 .....o_o Jul 17 10:32:08 jacekowski: dunno, the stans look a little like copper rust Jul 17 10:32:26 I'll post photos some day Jul 17 10:32:43 could it be coffee? Jul 17 10:32:44 stains* Jul 17 10:32:56 psycho_oreos: no, more green than brown Jul 17 10:33:10 as in liberty statue green Jul 17 10:33:21 * psycho_oreos thinks of green tea Jul 17 10:33:29 StyXman: they use IPA in most PCB places to clean boards after assembly Jul 17 10:33:49 StyXman: so IPA should be safe for non removable things Jul 17 10:33:52 but camera is removable Jul 17 10:33:56 jacekowski: yeah, so I heard from some electronic geeks I know Jul 17 10:34:01 it's just very complicated to remove Jul 17 10:34:17 but water will be safe for everything Jul 17 10:34:26 and then deionised water to rinse it Jul 17 10:34:33 jacekowski: I'l give it a try, altho I already failed disasembling a battery pack from my NB Jul 17 10:34:37 it's not as good as IPA Jul 17 10:34:39 except you need to dry the device properly after soaking the device in it Jul 17 10:35:03 yeah, with IPA you don't have to bother with drying it will evaporate pretty much instantly on it's own Jul 17 10:35:13 well, an hour under the mediterranean sun should do, I guess Jul 17 10:35:14 with water you will have to dry it Jul 17 10:35:43 yeah, then blow it with hairdryer to make sure it's all gone from small places Jul 17 10:35:49 like from under bga chips and stuff Jul 17 10:36:09 you could dry it as much as you can with microfibre cloth and if you could get your hands on maybe a soup bowl full of silica gel to dip your device in, that'd be handy as well Jul 17 10:36:57 dont use cheap quality microfibre cloth Jul 17 10:37:03 they leave tissue Jul 17 10:37:12 * psycho_oreos doesn't think heating is a good way to treat a device that has already been heat treated (i.e. when the boards and chips were made). Jul 17 10:37:16 well, paper towel would do it as well Jul 17 10:37:23 as long as you blow it after Jul 17 10:37:37 i prefer the expensive kind of paper towels Jul 17 10:37:39 psycho_oreos: that's why i said 40C Jul 17 10:37:40 less residue Jul 17 10:38:00 60C is safe as well Jul 17 10:38:07 but 40C leaves a lot more margin for error Jul 17 10:38:18 jacekowski, I dunno *shrugs* I reckon that is still a bit too high. If it were me I completely avoid any heat treatment Jul 17 10:38:42 40C is ambient temperature in some places Jul 17 10:39:11 well yeah it is but to trust an oven :) Jul 17 10:40:02 and I think decent microfibre cloths can be bought from car accessories shops Jul 17 10:40:14 or people selling professional cleaning stuff:) Jul 17 10:40:23 or if you have a good cleaner at your office orso, from them:) Jul 17 10:40:48 the cleaner always has a stash of the things you happen to need Jul 17 10:42:00 I'm a bit of a car nut so I still go get microfibre cloth from car accessories retailers myself. Jul 17 10:42:58 psycho_oreos: what car do you have? Jul 17 10:43:35 psycho_oreos: ones with visible fibre or the more smooth-ish ones Jul 17 10:44:28 vi_, *Eg* something like this: http://imgc.classistatic.com/cps/blnc/120610/919r1/754487i_20.jpeg Jul 17 10:44:39 o... Jul 17 10:44:50 Lava_Croft, for my car I use the visible fibre but I also happen to have smoothish ones when I do internal detailing Jul 17 10:44:59 the visible fibre ones are better Jul 17 10:45:11 the visible fibre ones also come in a special form for glass surfaces Jul 17 10:45:22 which has much less visible fibre-ends Jul 17 10:45:30 heh I personally thought it was the opposite Jul 17 10:45:34 naw Jul 17 10:45:37 im a professional cleaner:) Jul 17 10:45:56 not the kind you see at your trainstation;) Jul 17 10:46:06 the visible fibre ones are better in our experience Jul 17 10:46:07 lol Jul 17 10:46:15 and we clean houses that belong to rich folks etc :| Jul 17 10:46:19 lots of high gloss white and black etc Jul 17 10:46:46 heh black and white, the direct contrast of each other imo Jul 17 10:46:56 err direct opposite Jul 17 10:46:58 yes, but the worst surfaces to keep clean Jul 17 10:47:02 thats why i chose em as example Jul 17 10:47:11 indeed, white ones imo are worse than black Jul 17 10:47:12 high gloss red is another shit one to keep looking dust-free Jul 17 10:47:19 high gloss black is worse Jul 17 10:47:24 :o Jul 17 10:47:25 dust particles are much better visible on that Jul 17 10:47:42 you clean a highgloss black kitchen, turn around, exhale and zing Jul 17 10:47:44 all dusty again Jul 17 10:48:05 fingerprints also show much worse on black Jul 17 10:48:23 yeah I think they usually leave grey marks Jul 17 10:48:48 greyish sort of smudge Jul 17 10:49:04 we use a waterspray with some alcohol in it and those fibre-ish microfibre cloths Jul 17 10:49:07 works really well Jul 17 10:49:17 say 90% water 10% alcohol orso Jul 17 10:49:20 maybe even less alcohol Jul 17 10:54:43 psycho_oreos: I am disappoint. Jul 17 11:03:16 vi_: thats an understatement the size of Nokia's blind spot Jul 17 11:04:06 i has a usb AF-AF adapter! :D Jul 17 11:09:33 DocScrutinizer05: hm, providing power to the device before enumerating it didn't work for me - is that intended? Jul 17 11:09:53 psycho_oreos: did you see this car? Jul 17 11:09:57 http://www.ppcmag.co.uk/old-car-info/rover-sd1-27-litre-v12.html Jul 17 11:13:07 hmm, 27l Jul 17 11:13:15 it's probably doing like 100l/100k Jul 17 11:13:18 100km* Jul 17 11:13:35 Apparently he fitted an LPG kit to try and tame the fuel costs a little bit. Jul 17 11:14:29 I have a soft spot for cars retro-fitted with plane/tank engines. Jul 17 11:15:28 what's an lpg kit? Jul 17 11:16:09 Liquid petroleum gas. Jul 17 11:16:28 merlin1991: In the uk LPG is taxed FAR less than petrol. Jul 17 11:16:39 So it works out around 1/3 cheaper. Jul 17 11:17:08 vi_: everywhere Jul 17 11:17:20 jacekowski: Bentley Blower does 100l/100k Jul 17 11:17:21 :D Jul 17 11:17:25 vi_: and it's a lot cheaper even if taxes were at same level Jul 17 11:17:43 Another favourite is John dodds 'the beast'. Jul 17 11:18:05 Pali: now i can use host mode Jul 17 11:18:13 It was a 28-litre Merlin v12 as used in the WW2 spitfire fighter plane. Jul 17 11:18:16 have you kicked the autobuilder into submission yet? Jul 17 11:18:48 Apparently it only made around 900bHP as he did not have the super chargers to go with it. Jul 17 11:19:01 lol Jul 17 11:19:21 You must understand this was put in a homemade chassis, built in a shed in the 70's. Jul 17 11:19:32 The owner was a nutjob too. Jul 17 11:19:51 He put a Rolls royce grille on the front, homage to the Rolls Royce engine. Jul 17 11:20:00 They tried to sue him for this... Jul 17 11:20:10 ...He turned up for court on a white horse. Jul 17 11:20:18 xD Jul 17 11:22:26 The car was later restored by John Dodd's son Paul Dodd and he also has a 2050 bhp (1530 kW) twin-supercharged Rolls-Royce Griffon 37 litre engine from a late-model Spitfire he is willing to put in a car if somebody would be interested in buying it. Jul 17 11:22:31 ^holy shit. Jul 17 11:22:42 vi_: LPG== gas? Jul 17 11:22:49 StyXman: yes Jul 17 11:22:54 jo Jul 17 11:23:02 37 litre ? Jul 17 11:23:14 good fuel economy i guess Jul 17 11:23:39 it's 2€ for 1 liter of petrol Jul 17 11:24:01 1.4€ here Jul 17 11:24:06 that's 160€ to fill a 80 liter tank Jul 17 11:24:22 dhbiker diesel is 1,64€ here *sigh* Jul 17 11:24:24 before we went into EU it was about 0.3€ Jul 17 11:29:20 StyXman: it's not gas if you are american Jul 17 11:29:51 jacekowski: well, technically I'm from the american continent, but south of río grande Jul 17 11:29:52 StyXman: it's gas as in gaseous Jul 17 11:30:00 not gas as in petrol Jul 17 11:30:33 it's liquefied petroleum gas Jul 17 11:30:51 it's a gas at pressure high enough that it's a liquid Jul 17 11:31:03 yah, we call it compressed natural gas Jul 17 11:31:06 no Jul 17 11:31:09 that's a different thing Jul 17 11:31:12 CNG != LPG Jul 17 11:31:16 CNG == methane Jul 17 11:31:17 aha Jul 17 11:31:21 hmm Jul 17 11:31:23 not methane Jul 17 11:32:10 wp says methane Jul 17 11:35:51 yeah Jul 17 11:35:52 methane Jul 17 11:36:14 LPG is more like a lighter gas Jul 17 11:36:23 it's pretty much the same thing Jul 17 11:36:29 propane or butane says WP Jul 17 11:36:45 yeah, same thing Jul 17 11:36:51 slightly different mix Jul 17 11:37:09 we used to burn propane at home before they laid the natural gas lines Jul 17 11:37:15 but same principle Jul 17 11:37:22 CNG is much better if you want to run your car on it Jul 17 11:37:25 cheaper in long run Jul 17 11:37:26 I'm not picky on my gas choices :) Jul 17 11:37:26 safer Jul 17 11:37:38 it's what we have in .ar Jul 17 11:37:53 LNG if something goes wrong, you're going to end up with pool of liquid gas ready to explode Jul 17 11:38:09 and it will take hours to evaporate Jul 17 11:38:13 well, gas tanks have exploded before Jul 17 11:38:15 .irchighway.net Jul 17 11:38:27 CNG, if it leaks, it will be a gas Jul 17 11:38:43 and will clear up much faster therefore Jul 17 11:39:34 + you can get it cheap from gas mains Jul 17 11:39:40 and all you need is a compressor Jul 17 11:39:44 so you can get it tax free Jul 17 11:39:58 it's probably very illegal Jul 17 11:40:01 but people do it Jul 17 11:40:28 and yes, they *had* used propane tanks as cheap gnc tanks Jul 17 12:03:48 does the file browser work for someone, in microB? Jul 17 12:03:59 to upload files and the like Jul 17 12:12:14 vi_, why disappoint? that link reminds me of the predecessor to Jay Leno's tank car Jul 17 12:27:19 vi_: any car with a tempest's napier sabre IIA? Jul 17 12:36:48 the days of excessive number of pistons is outnumbered unless its in W configuration. These days manufacturers tend to push on with the idea of turbocharging/supercharging Jul 17 12:38:19 psycho_oreos: The correct number of pistons is 1. Jul 17 12:38:28 psycho_oreos: The correct number of wheels is 2. Jul 17 12:39:03 vi_, mower powered pushbike? Jul 17 12:39:10 -_- Jul 17 12:39:18 psycho_oreos: Thumpers for life! Jul 17 12:39:20 vi_, and piston is 1, pistons isn't 1 :) Jul 17 12:39:28 Thumpers? Jul 17 13:14:30 psycho_oreos: maybe this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thumper_%28motorcycle%29#Single Jul 17 13:17:23 ahh thosee Jul 17 13:17:30 s/thosee/those/ Jul 17 13:17:31 psycho_oreos meant: ahh those Jul 17 13:17:44 motorbikes that go pupf pupf pupf pupf Jul 17 13:18:05 you can actualy hear evry single stroke Jul 17 13:30:38 meh motorcycles Jul 17 13:48:22 10L 1 piston diesel trecker Jul 17 13:49:10 with a huuuge steel wheel on the crankshaft Jul 17 13:50:20 'lycrap Jul 17 13:50:41 url? Jul 17 13:50:49 I mean, that exists? Jul 17 13:53:17 http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datei:Lanz_Bulldog_1928.jpg&filetimestamp=20060303160209 Jul 17 13:55:04 ok, this one only 6.2L Jul 17 13:55:30 I thinks there's been a 10L model as well Jul 17 13:56:16 Treibstoff: alles von Teeröl bis Benzin :) Jul 17 13:56:47 1 gear Jul 17 13:57:02 reverse by reversing motor Jul 17 14:00:08 IIRC you start it by heating it 10 min with a welder flame Jul 17 14:01:39 That is to pre-combust the wick. Jul 17 14:01:42 anybody knows of any SiliconErrata in OMAP4 regarding IRQ handling? Jul 17 14:01:54 Nope. Jul 17 14:12:54 DocScrutinizer51: are you going to update h-e-n to use the KP51 stuff? Jul 17 14:14:04 eventually Jul 17 14:15:02 will there be a need for h-e-n if Pali releases the enhanced battery meter with the integrated usb hostmode switch? Jul 17 14:15:14 or will *that* become h-e-n? Jul 17 14:16:38 dunno Jul 17 14:18:33 since all that stuff is a)still experimental and b)alternative/optional for the foreseeable future I guess there can be both Jul 17 14:21:26 h-e-n always been and will stay a kernel patch, the gui is just sooo minimalistic functionality-wise... I don't mind it getting replaced by anything better Jul 17 14:22:46 i see Jul 17 14:24:18 actually I could come up with a h-e-n gui shellscript 20-liner using zenity, in 2h Jul 17 14:24:36 hm, what else is there in hostmode-gui? Jul 17 14:24:51 the scripts that do stuff and the GUI that runs them? Jul 17 14:25:20 yep Jul 17 14:26:23 3 or 4 write() to szsfs nodes, and a system() call to start my booston script Jul 17 14:27:42 actually yhe "boost" button is cruft, could get attached to the 3 speed selectors Jul 17 14:32:37 and the enum button could be replaced by a sleep 15 if we check for success and repeat on failure Jul 17 14:45:19 why do we need an explicit "enumerate" button? Jul 17 14:46:03 for the fun of it ;) Jul 17 14:46:20 but mainly because we can only enumerate after the vbus is on Jul 17 14:48:34 DocScrutinizer51: WP knows il all. it mentoins the 10l motor Jul 17 14:50:30 DocScrutinizer51: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lanz_Bulldog <-- copied in .ar too Jul 17 14:53:12 merlin1991: yeah but why can't we do that automagically? Jul 17 15:16:19 kerio: I elaborated about enum button 5 lines up Jul 17 15:16:39 no, you said that i can be substituted by a loop Jul 17 15:16:58 but why do we need an explicit enumeration? can't the kernel just wait for something to be connected? Jul 17 15:17:42 no, as the usb test mode we use doesn't deliver connect-interrupt Jul 17 15:17:56 i see Jul 17 15:19:46 a PITA Jul 17 15:20:02 but the only way to amke hostmode work Jul 17 15:41:34 DocScrutinizer06: does the "orientation" of the Y usb cable matter, if i want to charge the n900? Jul 17 15:41:44 how is power distributed? Jul 17 15:58:06 zeq: ping Jul 17 15:58:56 zeq: I was worried something bad has happened to you :) Jul 17 15:59:25 hmm Jul 17 15:59:40 you scared him away ;) Jul 17 15:59:59 I see, but why? Jul 17 16:00:02 :) Jul 17 16:20:38 zeq: ping Jul 17 18:01:23 DocScrutinizer05: what's the current "best" charging script? Jul 17 18:01:30 i'm on kp50, so no fancy kerneling Jul 17 18:01:48 and if i'm providing what i think is 500mA to n900 and a pen drive, how much will the n900 take? Jul 17 18:02:15 too much Jul 17 18:02:25 aww :( Jul 17 18:02:32 oh well, at least it's not discharging too much Jul 17 18:02:59 how do i check what's going on with the power? Jul 17 18:03:03 I'd think minimum untweaked charge.sh is 500mA Jul 17 18:03:16 but sorry I'm busy in other chan Jul 17 18:03:26 dammit, i'm going to need a usb charger and/or a microusb-usb adapter Jul 17 18:05:02 you can use 2 ports at the same time Jul 17 18:05:07 ;) Jul 17 18:05:33 japh: oh god, i suppose it would work Jul 17 18:05:37 but i'd need another Y usb adapter Jul 17 18:05:51 ...i can get one Jul 17 18:06:00 but no, eventually i'm going to want to use the wallcharger i think Jul 17 18:42:10 Pali: what's your website? Jul 17 18:42:42 kerio, atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali Jul 17 18:43:14 now type that with an http:// at the beginning Jul 17 18:43:22 any icon designers? Jul 17 18:43:52 s/atrey/http:\/\/atrey Jul 17 18:44:06 :c Jul 17 18:44:17 Pali: i had to copy! Jul 17 18:44:19 and paste! Jul 17 18:44:25 kerio, so run sed manually :D Jul 17 18:44:26 OH THE HORROR Jul 17 18:45:03 or ask infobot why did not swapned sed for you Jul 17 18:45:52 trailing /? Jul 17 18:46:06 you should've used a different delimiter Jul 17 18:47:39 Pali: do i have to unload g_nokia before modprobing g_file_storage? Jul 17 18:47:48 kerio, yes Jul 17 18:47:55 only one gadget driver can be loaded Jul 17 18:48:07 (gadget driver has prefix g_) Jul 17 18:50:50 what happens if you let them fight over it? Jul 17 18:51:50 Pali: hm, is there a way to limit the current absorption with bq2415x? Jul 17 18:52:23 look at /sys/class/power_supply/bq... Jul 17 18:52:34 i can't, i'm still on kp50 :) Jul 17 18:53:12 there is some sysfs entry with name *current* Jul 17 18:53:19 I do not remeber exact name Jul 17 18:53:38 but all bq2415x chip configs are exported to /sys Jul 17 18:55:50 Pali: ok, an even better question Jul 17 18:56:06 is Stargus actually good? Jul 17 18:57:09 kerio, Stagus is incomplete... Jul 17 18:57:30 but Wargus is 90% clone of WAR2 Jul 17 18:57:53 kerio, last version in extras has some problems (crashing...) Jul 17 18:58:23 in summer we release new version which should fix a lot of bugs Jul 17 19:05:09 stargus wargus wutmyus Jul 17 19:07:20 Pali: just get a photo of Boxer playing bw on the n900 Jul 17 19:38:14 * ShadowJK wonders what kinda of apm flash would have playing bw on n900 Jul 17 19:39:15 I played bw on oc once just to find out my apm Jul 17 19:56:19 freemangordon: guess who got an email? Jul 17 19:57:26 vi__: me :P Jul 17 19:58:02 vi__: I have DHL tracking id, do you? Jul 17 20:00:30 freemangordon: yeaaaahh booooi! Jul 17 20:01:08 vi__: yeah :D:D:D Jul 17 20:05:45 when was yours shipped? Jul 17 20:20:58 freemangordon: do you know if it using dhl nextday or what? Jul 17 20:21:17 I think so, I expect my call tomorrow Jul 17 20:21:32 ...2000 euros... Jul 17 20:21:45 vi__: naah, I won't sell mine Jul 17 20:22:11 atta boy! Jul 17 20:22:14 ...for anything lower than 20000 :P Jul 17 20:22:53 30000 Jul 17 20:23:18 yours is not for sale, you don Jul 17 20:23:24 't own it Jul 17 20:23:59 I'm buying it from you Jul 17 20:24:01 for 30000 Jul 17 20:24:07 or you want to give me 30000 euros? Jul 17 20:24:24 hmm, lemme think again when I have it in my hands Jul 17 20:24:25 Moo Mohammad Jul 17 20:24:28 I was thinking yens or lines of code Jul 17 20:24:37 but since you mentioned euros, I'll pass Jul 17 20:24:39 moo RST38h Jul 17 20:24:42 Mohammad: kittens, charge in kittens Jul 17 20:24:52 MohammadAG: you think again too :P Jul 17 20:25:21 I'll trade my kidney for a damn air condition right now Jul 17 20:26:28 Mohammad: Just move somewhere cold Jul 17 20:36:51 RST38h, wish I could Jul 17 20:37:19 finland's -40 seems attractive now Jul 17 20:37:30 at least when it's cold you can just wear more stuff Jul 17 20:37:34 Mohammad: .FI should currently be in the 18-25 range Jul 17 20:37:48 it's 31 right now Jul 17 20:37:58 and it's 11:37 Jul 17 20:37:59 PM Jul 17 20:38:00 Mohammad: You can get an Android phone and run Google Maps, they warm it up reaaaal damn nicely Jul 17 20:38:13 RST38h, try Waze Jul 17 20:39:05 green bugs freak me out Jul 17 20:49:43 wetware overheated? green bugs... umm Jul 17 20:56:23 The humidity in Haifa is unbelievable Jul 17 20:56:37 Got out of AC'd car and my glasses fogged Jul 17 21:00:07 wut? at 31°C? Jul 17 21:00:32 Mohammad: +38oC at Maryland right now Jul 17 21:00:50 Mohammad: Sunny. 29% humidity Jul 17 21:01:11 Mohammad: That is actually somewhat low for this time of year. Hope you feel better now. Jul 17 21:20:17 MohammadAG: do you know anything about saudi arabia? Jul 17 21:21:05 besides it being and hot and the people being rich but spending all their money on car hydraulics and tire rims with most of them dying in accidents cause of that, nope Jul 17 21:21:28 - first and Jul 17 21:21:31 really? Jul 17 21:21:45 well, anything else? :P Jul 17 21:21:57 RST38h, 29% is good Jul 17 21:22:00 dunno, i'll be going there next week probably Jul 17 21:22:02 it's like 200% here Jul 17 21:22:05 and i'm doing some research Jul 17 21:22:13 and i thought you may know something Jul 17 21:22:16 stay away from roads at night Jul 17 21:22:28 why? Jul 17 21:26:05 jacekowski, I can't find the not re-upped vid, but http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVNkc_uM58Q Jul 17 21:27:20 jacekowski, cause? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGt0RnZcO88&feature=related Jul 17 21:32:23 MohammadAG: but that's day not night Jul 17 21:37:43 jacekowski, nights are worse Jul 17 21:40:19 MohammadAG: but the http://youtu.be/dGt0RnZcO88?t=38s part is quite impressive Jul 17 21:40:58 heh Jul 17 21:53:28 jacekowski: do you by any chance know of any SiErr in OMAP4 IRQ handling? Jul 17 21:55:05 or suspend/resume handling? Jul 17 21:55:38 even of any TI patches Jul 17 21:55:50 freemangordon: ^^^ Jul 17 21:58:02 at least any clue whom/where to ask, or what to google for? Jul 17 21:58:12 nope Jul 17 22:35:56 In case anybody's wondering, I'm still about. I've just been really busy... Jul 17 23:02:08 about? Jul 17 23:03:11 memtest&; sleep 6h; aplay alarm.wav; kill memtest Jul 18 01:41:43 so many net splits *muahahah* **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jul 18 02:59:58 2012