**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Aug 04 02:59:58 2012 Aug 04 07:25:52 anyone knows why yo can't ping 127.0.0.1 when a gprs/3g connection is active? Aug 04 07:26:04 or is it just mine :\ Aug 04 13:38:52 ~seen pali Aug 04 13:38:58 pali <~pali@unaffiliated/pali> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 1d 6h 23m 32s ago, saying: 'jonwil has some more info about format'. Aug 04 14:34:49 I want to remap the keyboard to have a second shift button. I've searched but I can only find how to remap symbols, not modifier keys, any pointers? Aug 04 14:41:23 umm, that's difficult Aug 04 14:41:55 assignment of keys to raw keycodes is on another level Aug 04 14:42:32 I think that part is closed Aug 04 14:42:58 not sure about it Aug 04 14:44:24 but I once investigated a similar topic (showing modifier key lock-state [doublle-press] by indicator LED) and finally found out it's not feasible Aug 04 14:45:12 since you get a dbus-msg for locking the key, but none for unlocking it Aug 04 14:45:15 I saw that xmodmap might be the way to go Aug 04 14:45:28 and I've been told the code where locking happens is closed Aug 04 14:46:00 thanks, I'll try and report back Aug 04 14:46:28 many thanks Aug 04 14:55:41 Doesn't seem to do anything on the N950, in fact it like disables the key Aug 04 14:57:22 for N950 please /join #harmattan. The info about stuff like that is massively different between fremantle and harmattan I'd guess Aug 04 14:58:06 yes definatly Aug 04 14:58:11 to make things worse, harmattan isn't really designed for a device with hw-kbd Aug 04 14:58:59 indeed Aug 04 14:59:03 yep, that is why I asked here, because N900 remapping works perfectly on the N950, in fact I am using a N900 keymap right now Aug 04 14:59:41 those keys are not native Aug 04 14:59:59 anyway I'll try it right now on the N900 too to see if it behaves similarly Aug 04 15:00:03 they arent sent in native key codes but via Qt's InputMethod Aug 04 15:00:23 maybe check that.. Aug 04 15:00:39 time for 12648430 ☕ Aug 04 15:00:53 trx: I am trying to do that in a gtk application Aug 04 15:01:03 oh Aug 04 15:01:22 nfc then Aug 04 15:01:59 hey, true crossover \o/ Aug 04 15:04:13 silly question - you N900s allow to ping localhost when a gprs/3g connection is active? Aug 04 15:05:11 I'd think yes Aug 04 15:05:18 permission denied Aug 04 15:05:28 Sicelo: I seen your question, but been to lazy to *test* Aug 04 15:05:39 Sicelo, ^^ Aug 04 15:05:45 too* Aug 04 15:06:07 qwazix: root should be able to. Aug 04 15:06:12 yep Aug 04 15:07:29 for as long as i can remember localhost doesn't reply to ping on mine. i just find this strange. of course, without such a connection, it works normally Aug 04 15:08:01 I seem to recall users logging in via ssh root@127.0.0.1 Aug 04 15:08:27 never heard that ceases to work when you're on GPRS Aug 04 15:08:46 meh Aug 04 15:08:47 it doesn't, i suppose .. let me try Aug 04 15:09:01 javispedro: hey! :-d Aug 04 15:09:05 :-D Aug 04 15:09:08 works Aug 04 15:09:11 :) Aug 04 15:10:04 Sicelo: so if ssh 127.0.0.1 works, why should ping fail? unless IP stack doesn't support ping replies Aug 04 15:10:45 that's the puzzle. :/ Aug 04 15:10:48 (which actually might be a good thing when on GPRS) Aug 04 15:11:04 a ping to localhost would be routed via loopback interface on any sane config, so wlan/3g/whatever will not have any influence Aug 04 15:11:08 DocScrutinizer05: meh, would that actually save battery? Aug 04 15:11:11 it still receives them Aug 04 15:11:20 you don't want to answer pings from the internet when on 2/3G Aug 04 15:11:22 agree with javispedro. Aug 04 15:11:29 you don't want to receive them, either Aug 04 15:11:36 kerio: yes, it might save battery Aug 04 15:12:17 javispedro: 2/3G *config* of IP stack however might actually have an influence Aug 04 15:12:22 on a side note, i never have to worry about pings from internet as i'm behind NAT anyway Aug 04 15:13:33 javispedro: I dunno how to tell IP stack "don't answer ping ICMP" - but I guess it might be interface agnostic Aug 04 15:14:32 a ping to local NIC is rather meaningless anyway Aug 04 15:14:59 hell, 127.0.0.1 is not even any NIC Aug 04 15:15:11 :P Aug 04 15:17:31 by the way, why doesn't busybox allow ping from user? Aug 04 15:17:33 Xmodmap has the same behaviour on N900 too, it just disables the key Aug 04 15:18:27 kerio: suid thingies .. you can change the behaviour Aug 04 15:18:34 Sicelo: nope Aug 04 15:18:38 Sicelo: anyway, just for you: confirmed Aug 04 15:18:42 /bin/ping is a symlink to messybox Aug 04 15:18:46 which is already suid root Aug 04 15:19:02 Sicelo: ping 127.0.0.1 fails on GPRS Aug 04 15:19:09 wat Aug 04 15:19:10 ah, thanks :) Aug 04 15:19:12 DocScrutinizer05: ssh? Aug 04 15:19:14 Sicelo: while it works when on WIFI Aug 04 15:19:43 i was worried that i had somehow messed something up in the past Aug 04 15:20:58 kerio: ssh localhost will work .. only ping seems to exhibit this behaviour. and, yes, you can toggle that suid bit to allow user to use ping. i have that setup on my N900 Aug 04 15:24:08 $ stat /usr/bin/ping Aug 04 15:24:23 Access: (4755/-rwsr-xr-x) Aug 04 15:33:09 well, you have a better ping Aug 04 15:33:23 i'm talking about /bin/ping :) Aug 04 15:34:15 installing ping from the sdk repos and suiding it makes it work, ofc Aug 04 15:34:30 you can't set +s a symlink afaik Aug 04 15:35:42 and even if you did, it won't help much, since: see ~messybox ->su Aug 04 15:36:05 whole reason we got that gainroot abomination Aug 04 15:36:10 heh Aug 04 15:36:16 wait, why' Aug 04 15:36:16 ? Aug 04 15:36:29 ?? Aug 04 15:36:31 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 Oct 31 2011 /bin/ping -> /usr/bin/ping Aug 04 15:36:32 the gainroot abomination is to enable root access only if the device is set in r&d mode Aug 04 15:36:45 Sicelo: you don't even need that, /usr/bin is earlier in the path than /bin Aug 04 15:36:46 kerio: i have the very same ping you have Aug 04 15:36:51 Sicelo: nope Aug 04 15:37:04 kerio: no Aug 04 15:37:09 ~messybox Aug 04 15:37:10 messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils Aug 04 15:37:15 Sicelo: ping by default is a symlink to busybox Aug 04 15:37:29 su can't work with a semi safe busybox Aug 04 15:37:29 /usr/bin/ping is in the "ping" package Aug 04 15:37:52 that's also the reason why sudo is NOT busybox Aug 04 15:37:54 holy shit, i didn't know that Aug 04 15:38:04 i thought it *was* suid root Aug 04 15:38:35 wut? messybox +s? :-O God beware Aug 04 15:38:54 well, that's how embedded systems do it, isn't it Aug 04 15:39:00 well, they just run everything as root anyway Aug 04 15:39:21 * kerio has sudo nopasswd enabled for user, because otherwise too much shit breaks Aug 04 15:39:24 ok. guess i took it for granted Aug 04 15:40:58 and btw THAT is a immutable shortcoming of messybox that no messybox-DOUBLESUPERCOWPOWER will cure Aug 04 15:41:21 what about a messybox-replacement that installs real tools? :D Aug 04 15:41:23 this N900 has not seen a reflash in its life (except on the day it was bought) .. so i forget what i installed/tweaked/etc to get to the current setup Aug 04 15:41:42 kerio: that's caled bash4 + *-tools Aug 04 15:41:50 s/tools/utils/ Aug 04 15:41:52 DocScrutinizer05 meant: kerio: that's caled bash4 + *-utils Aug 04 15:42:10 you mean *utils Aug 04 15:42:26 Sicelo: get my awesome apt wrapper! ;-D Aug 04 15:42:31 ~jrtools Aug 04 15:42:32 from memory, jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Aug 04 15:42:41 don't, it's useless if you have updated stuff correctly Aug 04 15:42:53 Sicelo: you'll never ever forget what you installed ;-) Aug 04 15:42:59 oh, that other one Aug 04 15:43:07 :P Aug 04 15:43:08 DocScrutinizer05: there's also dpkg --get-selections Aug 04 15:43:23 that's one of the wiki pages i know by heart now Aug 04 15:44:50 the augmented version now even comes with timestamps ;-P Aug 04 15:45:12 so you can tell WHEN you installed something Aug 04 15:45:44 cat $HOME/installed-aps.sh Aug 04 15:45:47 FTW Aug 04 15:46:18 and simply run that very $HOME/installed-aps.sh to reinstall everything Aug 04 15:46:53 convenient, isn't it? ;-) Aug 04 15:47:20 DocScrutinizer05: also known as dpkg --clear-selections && dpkg --set-selections < packagelist Aug 04 15:47:29 and then apt-get install -f Aug 04 15:47:51 kerio: where are the timestamps? Aug 04 15:48:08 meh, time is a cube anyway Aug 04 15:49:05 and dpkg is a PITA ;-P Aug 04 15:49:20 actually apt-get is Aug 04 15:49:41 s/apt-get/apt/. Aug 04 15:51:14 * DocScrutinizer05 will never get the catch why to mess with 3 or 4 or 15 commands - like apt-cache apt-get dpkg et al - to do one job: manage package installations Aug 04 15:51:29 apt-cache involves the cache! Aug 04 15:51:38 apt-get involves getting! and sometimes removing Aug 04 15:51:42 I don't give a shit Aug 04 15:51:49 apt-file involves files Aug 04 15:51:59 which is clearly something the other two utilities don't involve Aug 04 15:52:38 failwhale Aug 04 15:52:47 *cow Aug 04 15:52:54 prefer yum? Aug 04 15:53:02 :nod: Aug 04 15:53:20 apt can solve dependency sudoku Aug 04 15:53:37 can yum do the same? Aug 04 15:53:45 yes Aug 04 15:53:46 and my microwave can make eggs go pooof Aug 04 15:53:53 good analogy. Aug 04 15:54:14 DocScrutinizer05: btw, upstream debian now has aptitude Aug 04 15:54:21 by default? :O Aug 04 15:54:22 madness Aug 04 15:54:30 yeah, by default. Aug 04 15:54:36 which is kinda yum in disguise (or the other way round) Aug 04 15:54:45 it's only like 20 times slower than apt-get here :) Aug 04 15:55:08 well, we got HAM for that ;-P Aug 04 15:55:30 it'd be rather more interesting to compare aptitude speed to yum Aug 04 15:55:31 by the way, HAM stopped taking 12 minutes for his things, for some reason Aug 04 15:55:38 the some reason could be that i disabled "show all packages" Aug 04 15:55:54 X-P Aug 04 15:56:56 alias yum=aptitude Aug 04 15:57:05 will probably go unnoticed Aug 04 15:57:55 apt4rpm! Aug 04 15:57:58 meh, yum has install-file ;P Aug 04 16:21:31 I've put updated libc6 bits up on http://www.snewbury.org.uk/maemo/sigmask Aug 04 16:23:09 there's still the issue of of it needing to depend on a "Provides:" for the kernel support, and suitable headers. Aug 04 16:27:34 kernel-feature-pselect? Aug 04 16:29:25 what happens if i stop bme and connect the wallcharger? Aug 04 16:33:35 kerio: probably "kernel-feature-sigmask-syscalls" would be more accurate, but I'm open to suggestions. Aug 04 16:35:34 discuss it with pali, i suppose Aug 04 16:35:43 hey guys, what does pselect do? Aug 04 16:35:47 and/or merlin1991 Aug 04 16:35:59 and/or freemangordon? Aug 04 16:36:06 ~pselect Aug 04 16:36:24 jon_y: like select, but it allows to specify, atomically, a signal mask Aug 04 16:36:34 unix signals? Aug 04 16:36:47 yep Aug 04 16:37:15 so I suppose its mainly advantageous for multithreaded apps? Aug 04 16:37:31 how "solid" is the screen slide? Aug 04 16:38:13 pselect is related to the screen slide? Aug 04 16:38:24 no, it's unrelated Aug 04 16:38:32 why should it be related? Aug 04 16:38:41 well, dbus uses pselect a lot, apparently Aug 04 16:43:57 ~pselect is like select, but it allows to specify, atomically, a signal mask Aug 04 16:43:58 okay, DocScrutinizer05 Aug 04 16:45:07 [2012-08-04 18:38:41] well, dbus uses pselect a lot, apparently)) which might explain a lot of WTF to be seen everyday with dbus Aug 04 16:45:54 not that dbus would actually need any pselect() bug to be a POS Aug 04 16:46:53 there've been other races generic to dbus, that obviously were hard or even impossible to fix Aug 04 16:48:12 and I bet my ass that dbus on x86 isn't any better Aug 04 16:48:45 probably 50% of KDE4-WTF are due to dbus issues Aug 04 17:11:51 zeq: have you checked https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/319729/comments/23 ? Aug 04 17:16:47 damn that's sad it takes us >2 years to get an upstream patch into consideration at least Aug 04 17:18:39 heh Aug 04 17:25:04 it's even more sad that even those "experts" on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/319729 didn't really think of any other impact than udev/upstart Aug 04 18:46:53 Meanwhile: http://www.nature.com/news/human-cycles-history-as-science-1.11078 Aug 04 20:09:39 WTS:1x950. Serous offers only. Aug 04 20:57:20 WTS? Aug 04 20:57:28 ~wts Aug 04 20:57:35 ~wtf wts Aug 04 20:57:37 Gee... I don't know what wts means... Aug 04 20:57:56 want to sell Aug 04 20:58:20 I'd bett you got better chances on ebay or at least tmo Aug 04 20:58:42 damn, I'm starting to go legastenic Aug 04 21:01:25 though, you probably should offer it over at #harmattan first (PC as far as PC goes here) Aug 04 21:03:09 if you want it to go to "the right guy" offer at #harmattan, if you want to get as much as it's worth, offer at ebay Aug 04 21:04:05 are they even allowed to sell n950 Aug 04 21:04:17 isn't that still nokia property on lease Aug 04 21:04:54 last I heard ebay has it for $2500 Aug 04 21:04:59 im hoping nokia never asks for mine back.....its like owning a pieve of history! Aug 04 21:05:18 to sell it would be like selling my soul! ;) Aug 04 21:05:34 yeah, I wouldn't want to sell it too if I had it Aug 04 21:05:40 so, piggz, how much is your soul? Aug 04 21:05:50 about $2500? Aug 04 21:05:51 RST38h: 3000 :P Aug 04 21:06:14 can I trade my sould for yours? :) Aug 04 21:08:01 couldnt do it ... 2500-3000 is really just a short term gain anyway :) Aug 04 21:08:56 ive made more from sale of space invaders ;) Aug 04 21:18:26 jacekowski: the CA ones are gifts Aug 04 21:18:30 afaik Aug 04 21:19:01 vi_: i'll buy it for 80€ Aug 04 21:19:07 nobody had to sign anything to receive his CA gift, so why wouldn't you be allowed to sell it? Aug 04 21:19:40 DocScrutinizer05: bad form? Aug 04 21:19:53 bad form, oh well, yes Aug 04 21:20:29 [2012-08-04 23:01:25] though, you probably should offer it over at #harmattan first (PC as far as PC goes here) Aug 04 21:20:30 [2012-08-04 23:03:08] if you want it to go to "the right guy" offer at #harmattan, if you want to get as much as it's worth, offer at ebay Aug 04 21:21:30 regarding the statement re HARM it's almost the right thing to do Aug 04 21:22:28 like sending crown of west rome caeser to the east rome caesar Aug 04 21:22:43 "we don't need it anymore" Aug 04 21:25:13 I for one still have occasional use for it, via ssh and wlan, to confirm details on harmattan system when questions arise Aug 04 21:25:32 also for mechanical reference Aug 04 21:26:12 so unless I'm in a pinch I won't sell mine (regardless of the fact I mustn't sell mine as it's a loaner anyway) Aug 04 21:27:02 and actually there's some small hope for mer/nemo Aug 04 21:27:40 though I'm afraid I never could revert to stock harmattan once I tried mer/nemo Aug 04 21:28:34 calibrating my battery again :3 Aug 04 21:28:41 i can't get higher than -800mA Aug 04 21:28:53 and so my N950 will stay what it is: probably the last and only n950 with original PR version in this universe Aug 04 21:29:01 *lower Aug 04 21:29:12 how do you calibrate a battery? Aug 04 21:29:38 well, you calibrate the chip Aug 04 21:29:39 on the battery Aug 04 21:30:45 i mean Aug 04 21:30:50 based on the battery Aug 04 21:31:08 not on n900 Aug 04 21:31:18 there are no chips in the battery Aug 04 21:31:19 yes, on the n900 Aug 04 21:31:27 the chip is on the n900 Aug 04 21:31:33 it's stored in CAL Aug 04 21:31:38 and it's BME job to do stuff with it Aug 04 21:31:39 wut? Aug 04 21:31:41 nope Aug 04 21:31:46 no, i'm talking about bq27200 Aug 04 21:31:55 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1053809&postcount=846 here's a guide Aug 04 21:32:00 made by doc's BFF Aug 04 21:32:10 bff? Aug 04 21:32:18 best friend forever Aug 04 21:32:20 :P Aug 04 21:32:32 pfffff Aug 04 21:32:37 no, bff Aug 04 21:32:44 was almost about to click on it Aug 04 21:32:57 cool, my playbook connects to internet via N9 + bluetooth Aug 04 21:34:13 DocScrutinizer05: well, it just says "charge fully and check that VDQ is 1, then drain the battery so it's below 3248mV for 15 seconds, stop bme or it'll fuck you up in the meantime" Aug 04 21:34:25 kerio: you're following this witchcraft? Aug 04 21:34:37 that thing isn't used anywhere Aug 04 21:34:42 that's actually what ShadowJK_ said Aug 04 21:34:51 bme is using only values from CAL Aug 04 21:35:06 jacekowski: nobody actually uses bme, apart from the builtin battery indicator Aug 04 21:35:24 who cares about bme nowadays? Aug 04 21:35:31 i'm waiting for pali to write his hald-addon-bme replacement that uses actual bq27k data Aug 04 21:37:01 (and the new usbmode GUI that should replace the battery icon in the statusmenu, which is - frankly - useless) Aug 04 21:38:34 ~dict ho ever Aug 04 21:38:42 could not find definition for ho ever Aug 04 21:38:54 thought as much, can't stand it anymore Aug 04 21:39:24 can't stand what? Aug 04 21:47:42 piggz: that is "cool" as soon as I can do it over n9 + usb Aug 04 21:48:18 in other words somebody has to explain me WTF this joikuspot kernel module does and how I can use it to achieve that :D Aug 04 21:48:35 and btw I've spent some time looking at the code (and kernel code) Aug 04 21:49:31 http://www.zdnet.com/why-intel-should-buy-nokia-7000002054/ Aug 04 21:49:32 ROTFL Aug 04 21:53:44 meh, now the chip thinks my battery is 1500mAh Aug 04 21:53:50 (from 1780) Aug 04 21:53:54 i don't even :s Aug 04 22:33:48 review appreciated: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/calibrate-bq27k.sh Aug 04 22:56:11 vi_: you selling n950? sooo sad =\ Aug 04 23:27:11 someone deparately searching for one would disagree Aug 04 23:27:27 vi_, I'll buy it Aug 04 23:29:00 Oh must offer Aug 04 23:29:33 Well meh. I don't know what to offer so I'll pass ;P Aug 04 23:32:12 Viltzu: you're out. vi_ said "only serious offers" Aug 04 23:33:15 so next one to fun-bid earns 24h +q (maybe more, depending on my time to remove the ban) Aug 04 23:34:27 Huh. Well I didn't know that he was taking offers and didn't have any direct price for it. Aug 04 23:35:03 [2012-08-04 22:09:39] WTS:1x950. Serous offers only. Aug 04 23:35:31 Yes. But I just saw that Zog said that vi is selling the N950 :P Aug 04 23:36:27 I took that into account, otherwise you already were +q Aug 04 23:37:05 Well thanks :P Aug 04 23:37:58 yw :-) Aug 04 23:38:45 01:38 3678 47 47 -340 541 541 541 65535 95 39 NOACT:0 IMIN:0 CI:1 CALIP:0 VDQ:1 EDV1:0 EDVF:0 Aug 04 23:39:26 if you wonder: 95 is TTE, so in 1:30 my calib-script should trigger charging Aug 04 23:40:27 * DocScrutinizer05 yawns a bit Aug 04 23:40:48 if you wonder: 01:38 is time of day Aug 04 23:53:49 duh, bq27 die temp went down from 40°C to 38°C during last 45min. No change in load though. I wonder if that's the delightful chill of the night, or actually something working with higher efficiency in N900 while battery volatge drops Aug 04 23:54:06 ShadowJK_: ^^^ one for you Aug 04 23:55:04 or is this still the natural chillout from the 49°C it pushed it up by childspin? Aug 05 01:06:36 yoh, seems to work Aug 05 01:06:44 http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/calibrate-bq27k.sh Aug 05 01:07:29 even conveniently shuts down backlight on re-enabling bme to charge after complete discharge ;-D Aug 05 01:12:51 http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/calibrate-bq27k.session.log Aug 05 01:15:56 actually the very last line is BS, the learning cycle is already finished, charging now is a mere 'convenience' thing Aug 05 01:28:52 Is it possible to make N900 as a live CD ? I want to put Ubuntu or etc linux on N900, to startup on computer when plugin N900 to computer with USB. Aug 05 01:49:42 nagato: should probably be possible Aug 05 01:50:15 well, or maybe not Aug 05 01:51:36 n900 MyDocs gets exposed as VFAT formatted mass storage, like a usual USB memory stick. However I dunno if PC needs some special formatting other than a partition with VFAT to boot from a USB memstick Aug 05 01:52:18 might need superflopy rather than a partition Aug 05 01:52:38 what is the stock n900 mydocs reading speed, through usb? Aug 05 01:52:54 i mean writing* sorry Aug 05 01:52:57 some 14MB/s iirc Aug 05 01:53:13 oops writing, dunno for sure Aug 05 01:53:31 well, shouldn't change much i guess Aug 05 01:54:22 i heard wifi was faster (at writing), is that true? I find it hard to believe lol Aug 05 01:54:47 well, the linux on N900 does quite some buffering and caching, so yes, it might be almost same speed like reading Aug 05 01:55:04 54Mb/s are like 6MB/s Aug 05 01:55:32 6,75 actually Aug 05 01:56:04 err, maybe you mean N900 writing TO a USB memestick attached to h-e-n hostmode Aug 05 01:56:28 this might in fact be slow Aug 05 01:57:43 oh, maybe you're right. Aug 05 01:57:51 I heard of a terrible 4MB/s transfer speed in h-e-n Aug 05 01:57:53 Fragmented memory, my brain needs to defrag Aug 05 01:59:18 oh wait, i think i remember now Aug 05 01:59:19 if that's true then actually accessing any storage via wifi might be faster than direct access to a storage media via h-e-n USB hostmode Aug 05 01:59:51 it was about someone comparing copying usb memstick files to n900 Aug 05 01:59:59 with wifi Aug 05 02:00:11 ...Deeds has been relaying your questions to me and taking dictation of my response - I assume that once he has done so, he is returning to the telegraph office and wiring my answers to the central offices of this World-Wide Web for distribution. Aug 05 02:01:06 lol Aug 05 02:01:17 what did i just read Aug 05 02:01:37 I'm way out of that expensive english Aug 05 02:02:24 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1247595&postcount=1369 Aug 05 02:02:42 calibrate-bq27k.sh ^^^ Aug 05 02:10:41 DocScrutinizer05: booting a VFAT requires the 0xEB boot signature on the first sector Aug 05 02:10:54 not sure if N900 can expose something like that Aug 05 02:12:55 Win8 on N900? Aug 05 02:14:53 Macer: where did you read that? Aug 05 02:15:22 i didn't ... jut thinking about it when someone said "boot from vfat" Aug 05 02:20:33 Macer: actually any OS on N900, as long as PC can boot it from mass storage mode Aug 05 02:20:57 I think I heard about users doing it Aug 05 02:22:12 somebody been on a BBQ party and his device been busy with installing some stuff to a PC Aug 05 02:23:20 hm you'd have to call the right scripts to export mass storage prior to plugging in usb though Aug 05 02:23:32 can't recall other details, except it *might* have been chem|st or cetebe Aug 05 02:23:42 have had pretty bad results when the sate of indecision took too long Aug 05 02:24:30 seems to me mass storage gets exported already while requester still showing Aug 05 02:24:45 depends on what you selected the last time Aug 05 02:24:52 though afaik mass storage is the default Aug 05 02:24:53 mhm Aug 05 02:26:51 dafaq 261 users Aug 05 02:27:03 #maemo ftw Aug 05 02:27:20 < 270 :-/ Aug 05 02:27:36 over @ -ssu we have 49 :/ Aug 05 02:27:46 weekend? Aug 05 02:28:37 merlin1991: you seen http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1247595&postcount=1369 ? Aug 05 02:28:44 it worked fine Aug 05 02:28:51 now I have Aug 05 02:28:52 * RiD pats DocScrutinizer05 . It's ok... It's ok... Aug 05 02:29:03 they will be back, i promise Aug 05 02:29:04 (though I admit I used the ineliner posted here) Aug 05 02:29:18 one-liner Aug 05 02:29:32 looks interesting though Aug 05 02:29:40 btw about battery calibration Aug 05 02:30:51 our "external contractor" at the office wanted to put the new ups on the servers into the system without even running a calibration run once Aug 05 02:31:03 even while CI=1 my chip was pretty accurate both in time prediction and capacity Aug 05 02:31:29 merlin1991: lol Aug 05 02:32:08 could use my script, eh? ;-D Aug 05 02:32:09 I guess we got kinda lucky that I happened to be at the office for the first time in a few weeks at exactly the right time :D Aug 05 02:33:20 DocScrutinizer05: what about let computer read live CD system like ubuntu into computer memory, that will reduce the time of exchanging with N900 USB. Aug 05 02:33:49 nagato: we'll you'll need a proper live cd system, not everything runs out of the box from usb Aug 05 02:34:16 there is some slight difference between boot from usb and boot from cd (though it beats me what exactly it is) Aug 05 02:34:25 merlin1991: I heard that Ubuntu can read things into memory, but not sure. Aug 05 02:34:48 yeah ubuntu cds work like that afaik Aug 05 02:35:01 merlin1991: yes, I want to boot from N900, So I guess is boot from USB Aug 05 02:35:09 * merlin1991 darkly remembers somehting about debian not working all that will with this approach Aug 05 02:35:24 shit Aug 05 02:35:42 s/somehitng/somehting/ s/will/well/ .... Aug 05 02:35:43 :D Aug 05 02:38:07 Maybe I should create a new thread on Maemo Talk, let people contribute ideas ? Aug 05 02:39:38 i'd try with a ubuntu live disk first Aug 05 02:40:14 though in order to boot from that you'll have to have a proper boot sector on your "usb device" which might yield all sorts of difficulties for the n900 itself Aug 05 02:41:01 also that might get stomped on by the g_mass_storage (or what's it called) kernel driver, but again I have no idea about the actual internals of that Aug 05 02:41:29 I want to take only one N900, instead of N900 and a USB, that's why I come up with this idea. Aug 05 02:41:32 I'd guess one of those helper programs to format a usb stick to hold a bootable system will 'just work' from your PC when N900 plugged in Aug 05 02:42:03 DocScrutinizer05: seems possible Aug 05 02:42:19 * merlin1991 wonders what $average bios actually does when "booting from usb" Aug 05 02:42:19 and yes, I think there are even usb sticks that don't work for that purpose Aug 05 02:42:38 on hdd / cd / dvd I have a good idea of what happens, but I have nfc about usb stuff Aug 05 02:43:15 DocScrutinizer05: yes, those with bad sectors (had 2 linux instalations that died this way shortly after going into use) Aug 05 02:43:21 cool, I will collect more info about this. Aug 05 02:45:00 http://www.experto.de/b2b/computer/hardware/machen-sie-ihren-usb-stick-bootfaehig.html Aug 05 02:45:01 nagato: btw the n900 can also export the microsd card over usb as mass storage device (actually does so automatically if it's formated with an vfat partition) Aug 05 02:45:32 merlin1991: I see Aug 05 02:45:41 and also yields all kind of funky errors on windows in case the microsd does not have vfat but something else :D Aug 05 02:46:36 http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ Aug 05 02:46:59 DocScrutinizer05: that is a guide to use $random binary from the interwebtz to create a bootable usb device but still says nothing about the internals of what happenes Aug 05 02:48:40