**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Aug 05 02:59:59 2012
Aug 05 03:00:21 <LaoLang_cool> merlin1991, thank you, I found osso-usb-mass-storage-enable.sh, after I run it, nothing happened, no any statusbar indicator or notification
Aug 05 03:01:11 <DocScrutinizer05> Typ: application/binary  WTF?!
Aug 05 03:01:27 <merlin1991> LaoLang_cool: that's expected
Aug 05 03:01:55 <merlin1991> DocScrutinizer05: probably bad mimetypes on their apache, but it's a valid pdf
Aug 05 03:02:13 <LaoLang_cool> merlin1991, hmm, how to test if it works? I still can use file manager to access my file systems
Aug 05 03:02:45 <merlin1991> LaoLang_cool: you should be able to access any vfat partitions on your n900 from the pc now (if it's connected via usb)
Aug 05 03:04:08 <merlin1991> hm seems that pdf is a tic too low level
Aug 05 03:04:30 <merlin1991> but apparently one needs a parition flagged as bootable and a bootloader on it
Aug 05 03:04:50 <merlin1991> in which case I'd probably slap grub2 onto it  because I know it
Aug 05 03:05:22 <LaoLang_cool> merlin1991, but without running the script, I can access file system on n900 too...
Aug 05 03:05:36 <DocScrutinizer05> it seems to me there are special requirements regarding naming and location of such bootloader
Aug 05 03:06:02 <LaoLang_cool> No the difference at all, when I connect n900 with usb, a prompt of mode choice will pop up
Aug 05 03:06:29 <merlin1991> LaoLang_cool: that always pops up, actually if you press mass storage there it just executes the script again
Aug 05 03:07:48 <LaoLang_cool> merlin1991, oh, but if I can't let n900 act like a usb before connected via usb, then boot from n900 will be impossible, right?
Aug 05 03:08:42 <merlin1991> LaoLang_cool: theoretically it should act like usb when you plug it in and executed the script beforehand
Aug 05 03:09:21 <merlin1991> you probably should tap outside the selection screen when it pops up though to avoid reseting anything that was already in the making
Aug 05 03:09:42 <LaoLang_cool> merlin1991, no, after I launch the script, it still not work like a usb if I don't choice the mass storage mode in the pop up menu
Aug 05 03:09:55 <merlin1991> that's strange
Aug 05 03:10:05 <LaoLang_cool> It will be in charging only mode
Aug 05 03:10:22 <LaoLang_cool> I'm using cssu stable version, not sure if it's relative
Aug 05 03:17:44 <DocScrutinizer05> 05:17 4153 92   92   109  1074 1074 1074 75    65535 36  NOACT:0 IMIN:0 CI:0 CALIP:0 VDQ:0 EDV1:0 EDVF:0
Aug 05 03:18:33 <DocScrutinizer05> I think it's time to awake it from act_bricked mode ;-)
Aug 05 03:30:32 <DocScrutinizer05> who's been asking yesterday how to re-establish proper bat icon function after `start bme`?  I dunno, except unplug and replug USB charger
Aug 05 03:31:52 <DocScrutinizer05> there's some test program... lemme find it
Aug 05 03:32:14 <DocScrutinizer05> it *might* be able to simulate a mating round on USB
Aug 05 03:32:59 <DocScrutinizer05> oh sure: ke-recv-test
Aug 05 03:33:50 <DocScrutinizer05> p - enable PC Suite
Aug 05 03:33:52 <DocScrutinizer05> c - enable charging mode
Aug 05 03:33:53 <DocScrutinizer05> m - enable USB mass storage
Aug 05 03:34:17 <DocScrutinizer05> maybe nothing for bat icon but for LaoLang_cool
Aug 05 03:34:23 <DocScrutinizer05> ?
Aug 05 03:35:00 <DocScrutinizer05> LaoLang_cool: ^^^
Aug 05 03:35:24 <DocScrutinizer05> LaoLang_cool: ke-recv-test m
Aug 05 03:41:34 <DocScrutinizer05> LaoLang_cool: and since that's finally ke-recv there might indeed be a relation to cssu, though I think cssu-stable still has original ke-recv
Aug 05 03:42:14 <DocScrutinizer05> cssu-t though has a patched version iirc
Aug 05 03:43:13 <LaoLang_cool> DocScrutinizer05, I'm have something to be done, will see your reply, sorry :(
Aug 05 03:43:46 <DocScrutinizer05> np
Aug 05 03:45:42 <LaoLang_cool> DocScrutinizer05, after run the cmd, still the same here :(
Aug 05 03:46:00 <LaoLang_cool> oh, I run it as user, maybe I should try run as root
Aug 05 03:46:53 <LaoLang_cool> still the same..
Aug 05 03:49:01 <DocScrutinizer05> LaoLang_cool: iirc from early hostmode R&D days, you need to rmmod a module, to stop requester from popping up. After that you can run osso-usb-mass-storage-enable.sh after plugging USB
Aug 05 03:50:41 <DocScrutinizer05> it's NOT g_file_storage module which actually already exports mass storage afaik
Aug 05 03:50:59 <DocScrutinizer05> I think it's some g_nokia_* module
Aug 05 03:51:22 <robbiethe1st> You mean for usb mass storage?
Aug 05 03:51:29 <DocScrutinizer05> yep
Aug 05 03:51:34 <DocScrutinizer05> for the requester
Aug 05 03:52:25 <DocScrutinizer05> there's one module to watch USB and pop up the requester, another module for mass storage, and a third one for phonet
Aug 05 03:52:39 <DocScrutinizer05> and other PC suite mode stuff
Aug 05 03:52:42 <robbiethe1st> Yeah.
Aug 05 03:52:52 <robbiethe1st> g_file_storage actually does the exporting
Aug 05 03:53:09 <DocScrutinizer05> to make requester never come up you first need to rmmod the initial module
Aug 05 03:54:03 <DocScrutinizer05> then you can simulate clicking "mass storage" button in the now missing requester by running osso-usb-mass-storage-enable.sh
Aug 05 03:55:41 <DocScrutinizer05> logger "$0: removing g_nokia"
Aug 05 03:55:54 <DocScrutinizer05> initctl emit G_NOKIA_REMOVE
Aug 05 03:56:30 <DocScrutinizer05> (from osso-usb-mass-storage-enable.sh)
Aug 05 03:56:55 <DocScrutinizer05> this should remove the requester
Aug 05 03:57:22 <DocScrutinizer05> (if you're root)
Aug 05 03:58:38 <DocScrutinizer05>     /sbin/rmmod g_nokia
Aug 05 03:58:40 <DocScrutinizer05>     if [ $? != 0 ]; then
Aug 05 03:58:41 <DocScrutinizer05>         logger "$0: failed to rmmod g_nokia!"
Aug 05 03:58:43 <DocScrutinizer05>         exit 1
Aug 05 03:58:44 <DocScrutinizer05>     fi
Aug 05 04:02:04 <LaoLang_cool> DocScrutinizer05, wow, too advanced to me
Aug 05 04:05:27 <DocScrutinizer05> LaoLang_cool: run osso-usb-mass-storage-enable.sh as root, it should doo all that's needed AIUI
Aug 05 04:06:42 <DocScrutinizer05> LaoLang_cool: there's also osso-usb-mass-storage-disable.sh
Aug 05 04:08:14 <DocScrutinizer05> LaoLang_cool: I just said "osso-usb-mass-storage-ensable.sh actually does what I had in mind: /sbin/rmmod g_nokia"
Aug 05 04:57:32 <LaoLang_cool> DocScrutinizer05, I mensioned before that I've tried osso-usb-mass-storage-enable.sh, without luck :(
Aug 05 07:57:09 <kerio> DocScrutinizer: about your automatic calibration script...
Aug 05 07:58:47 <kerio> are you sure the voltage won't drop enough to make bme shut down the phone, once it gets started again for charging?
Aug 05 08:01:47 <LaoLang_cool> Can I control usb charging starts only when the battery level is under 30%?
Aug 05 08:02:08 <LaoLang_cool> And stop charging when level is up to 90%
Aug 05 08:03:02 <kerio> those percentages...
Aug 05 08:03:12 <kerio> i do not think they mean what you think they mean
Aug 05 08:04:44 <LaoLang_cool> kerio, can I set the usb charging behavior? I think it's always charging when connected to usb, maybe it hurts battery life in the way
Aug 05 08:07:11 <kerio> ask ShadowJK_ 
Aug 05 08:07:18 <kerio> and/or pali
Aug 05 09:15:00 <DocScrutinizer05> lol
Aug 05 09:15:19 <DocScrutinizer05> sure, ask them!
Aug 05 09:15:38 <LaoLang_cool> O_o
Aug 05 10:44:40 <jon1012> hi
Aug 05 10:45:04 <jon1012> I got back my n900 from  the friend I lended it, but the touchscreen doesn't work anymiore (a scratch broke it)
Aug 05 10:45:27 <jon1012> problem is, when I power it up, it asks for the unlock password which can't be entered with the keyboad
Aug 05 10:45:37 <jon1012> is there anyway to force unlock, or to unlock with keyboard at least ?
Aug 05 10:48:51 <jacekowski> you can flash it
Aug 05 10:49:37 <jon1012> or can I install another linux distribution ? (maybe some kind of ubuntu or whatever)
Aug 05 10:50:19 <jon1012> jacekowski: from what I've header reflashing doesn't remove the activation code
Aug 05 10:50:23 <jon1012> heard*
Aug 05 11:09:06 <kerio> it's stored in CAL
Aug 05 11:41:20 <ZogG_laptop> BCMM: missed you =)
Aug 05 11:41:47 <ZogG_laptop> you more and more disappear from #maemo =)
Aug 05 11:43:35 <BCMM> ZogG_laptop: been on holiday
Aug 05 11:44:11 <BCMM> that reminds me, i've got questions i've been meaning to ask -cssu
Aug 05 11:46:14 <ZogG_laptop> i bet i dunno the answer but people here can asnwer, so ask =)
Aug 05 11:46:32 <DocScrutinizer05> I suggest to /join #maemo-ssu
Aug 05 13:32:26 <vi__> luke-jr: ping
Aug 05 13:55:39 <MrPingu> Hello
Aug 05 13:55:55 <MrPingu> Back from 3 weeks holiday
Aug 05 13:57:59 <MrPingu> Now I shot some videos with a gopro cam, downloaded the baseline3.0 handbrake config for playback on my N900
Aug 05 14:00:00 <MrPingu> Don't know much about video-conversion but I heard 2-pass encoding was better, is it really worth to encode it with 2-pass?
Aug 05 14:00:41 <MrPingu> In terms of quality, idc about filesize and/or conversiontime
Aug 05 14:02:44 <MrPingu> Yeah, reaver is finaly in the repos :) 
Aug 05 14:02:55 <kerio> MrPingu: all hail Pali! o/
Aug 05 14:03:44 <ShadowJK_> kerio; bme behaves a bit differently with charger connected, I used to do it approximately that way, manually
Aug 05 14:04:11 <ShadowJK_> if bme is started with charger connected, it turns off the backlight and stuff though, which cn be confusing
Aug 05 14:04:47 <merlin1991> MrPingu: generally if you do a proper 2-pass encoding you can get more quality per byt
Aug 05 14:04:49 <MrPingu> Lots of good surprises were here after my holidy, some new cssu-thumb releases, kp51 released and reaver in the repos
Aug 05 14:04:52 <merlin1991> s/byt/byte/
Aug 05 14:04:53 <infobot> merlin1991 meant: MrPingu: generally if you do a proper 2-pass encoding you can get more quality per byte
Aug 05 14:06:05 <MrPingu> What avg bitrate is recommended for n900? Something about 6500 kbps?
Aug 05 14:06:12 <ShadowJK_> Now there is indeed some lower level,  which bme with charger connected on startup will consider too low, but then it quits/aborts immediately
Aug 05 14:06:27 <ShadowJK_> meego ce was especially good at triggering this.
Aug 05 14:10:51 <LaoLang_cool> In http://wiki.maemo.org/Battery_consuming_and_memory_leaking_applications, I find that flashlight consumes battery, so any alternative way (from cli?) to enable flashlight effect?
Aug 05 14:13:13 <ShadowJK_> I haven't noticed that
Aug 05 14:14:19 <ShadowJK_> hm
Aug 05 14:14:27 * ShadowJK_ has flashlight-applet
Aug 05 14:15:33 <kerio> >flashlight consumes battery
Aug 05 14:15:35 <kerio> you don't say?
Aug 05 14:15:48 <kerio> :P
Aug 05 14:16:04 <kerio> ShadowJK_: what's that lower level?
Aug 05 14:16:08 <kerio> and how do you exit it?
Aug 05 14:16:09 <ShadowJK_> claims it causes ohmd to use cpu
Aug 05 14:16:45 <ShadowJK_> kerio; dunno, I just ported my script to meego and used that to recover. took about 7 boot-brownout cycles
Aug 05 14:16:55 <kerio> woah
Aug 05 14:17:14 <LaoLang_cool> flashlight is not flashlight-applet?
Aug 05 14:18:31 <ShadowJK_> there's no mention of it in flashlight-applet's bugtracker either
Aug 05 14:19:53 <kerio> unrelated: is Catorise still harmful?
Aug 05 14:20:10 <ShadowJK_> probably not with cssu?
Aug 05 14:20:34 <ShadowJK_> atleast I'd hope that hildon-desktop bug would've been fixed in cssu
Aug 05 14:21:33 <LaoLang_cool> anyway to get a flashlight effect?
Aug 05 14:26:19 <MrPingu> I read on TMO (somewhere) That flashlight-extra was bad while the "normal" flashlight was just fine. Never suspected and investigated further flashlight
Aug 05 14:45:09 <DocScrutinizer05> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1247595#post1247595  bq24150 semi-automatic calibration
Aug 05 14:48:39 <vi__> if only the author would have released flashlight without the stupid status menu plugin thing.
Aug 05 14:50:44 <vi__> is there a way to disable status menu plugins?
Aug 05 14:51:58 <vi__> where are they located?
Aug 05 14:52:10 <vi__> the status menu plugins that is.
Aug 05 14:52:38 <ShadowJK_> there's no other interface for the flashlight app?
Aug 05 14:52:47 <vi__> ShadowJK_: dbus
Aug 05 14:54:17 <vi__> which talks to the status menu applet.
Aug 05 14:54:20 <vi__> FAIL
Aug 05 14:54:41 <vi__> an alternative is to run:
Aug 05 14:55:05 <vi__> gst-launch v4l2src ! filesink location=/dev/null
Aug 05 14:55:08 <luke-jr> vi__: pong
Aug 05 14:55:28 <vi__> then to turn on LED with v412ctl
Aug 05 14:55:47 <vi__> then monitor dbus for the camera cover to close.
Aug 05 14:58:40 <vi__> this allows for flashlight without that shitty applet.
Aug 05 14:59:03 * ShadowJK_ is unconviced there's any powerdraw issue anyways
Aug 05 14:59:21 <vi__> ShadowJK_: what do you mean powerdraw issues?
Aug 05 14:59:29 <vi__> with flashlight?
Aug 05 14:59:38 <Wizzup> Has anyone here ever transferred a tar(or any file) over sms?
Aug 05 14:59:43 <ShadowJK_> The original claim that installing flashlight app drains battery
Aug 05 14:59:54 <Wizzup> I want to message a friend who is currently in sweden without internet, but has a n900 which can recieve sms
Aug 05 15:00:02 <Wizzup> I was thinking about base64 encoding a tar.xz
Aug 05 15:01:03 <ShadowJK_> An N900 without internet is like a car without engine. You can tow it with donkeys, but it makes you look as silly as Borat.
Aug 05 15:01:05 <vi__> ShadowJK_: it does cause a bunch of ectra wakeups per second however checking average power use with bq27x00 shows no higher average current drawn.
Aug 05 15:01:15 <ShadowJK_> why is it waking up
Aug 05 15:01:22 <Wizzup> ShadowJK_: Still, it's a fun idea
Aug 05 15:01:34 <vi__> Wizzup: that would be fucking sweet.
Aug 05 15:01:36 <Wizzup> It's only 9000 bytes
Aug 05 15:01:48 <Wizzup> 6000, even
Aug 05 15:02:04 <ShadowJK_> and is it waking up at the same time as other stuff (i.e. device already awake)..
Aug 05 15:02:46 <ShadowJK_> So roughly 50 sms
Aug 05 15:03:06 <Wizzup> Yeah
Aug 05 15:03:20 <Wizzup> I just hope sms doesn't enter extra characters
Aug 05 15:03:32 <vi__> ShadowJK_: as I said.  It shows no extra power use in terms of ma drawn however powertop shows extra wakeups.
Aug 05 15:04:10 <vi__> luke-jr: ping
Aug 05 15:04:19 <ShadowJK_> if it's listening to dbus messages it'd show as wakeup, I think, but as dbus was awake anyway to receive that dbus message and distribute it further...
Aug 05 15:04:26 <DocScrutinizer05> ShadowJK_: flashlight-extra or whatever been the name raped dbus
Aug 05 15:04:37 <ShadowJK_> ?
Aug 05 15:05:23 <DocScrutinizer05> I had it installed, noticed all kinds of WTF?! and deinstalled it again - which I seem to recall been a pita in itself
Aug 05 15:05:41 <DocScrutinizer05> plain flashlight app however is ok
Aug 05 15:07:12 <ShadowJK_> there's a plain flashlight app?
Aug 05 15:07:30 * ShadowJK_ has one that appears in statusmenu when cam door is opened
Aug 05 15:07:36 <DocScrutinizer05> err that's what I got I thought
Aug 05 15:07:48 <DocScrutinizer05> yep that one
Aug 05 15:08:05 <ShadowJK_> flashlight-applet
Aug 05 15:08:15 <ShadowJK_> never heard of flashlight-extra?
Aug 05 15:08:20 <DocScrutinizer05> while the flashlight-extra was about doing all that in a semi-autzomatic way, via accelerometer or whatever
Aug 05 15:08:57 <DocScrutinizer05> and I gather it polled mce or sysfs for that
Aug 05 15:08:59 <DocScrutinizer05> NFC
Aug 05 15:09:19 <DocScrutinizer05> anyway it raped the whole phone
Aug 05 15:09:19 <ShadowJK_> wtf?
Aug 05 15:11:00 <DocScrutinizer05> Flashlight-Extra
Aug 05 15:11:02 <DocScrutinizer05> Use camera shutter to control Flashlight
Aug 05 15:11:03 <DocScrutinizer05>  Use camera shutter (lens cover) to control what to launch:
Aug 05 15:11:05 <DocScrutinizer05>  Flashlight or Camera application.
Aug 05 15:11:28 <DocScrutinizer05> .
Aug 05 15:11:33 <DocScrutinizer05> Flashlight
Aug 05 15:11:34 <DocScrutinizer05> Allows you to use flash LEDs as a flashlight.
Aug 05 15:13:21 <DocScrutinizer05> honestly I - thanks S.Freud - forgot details *why* flashlight-extra is EVIL
Aug 05 15:15:04 <DocScrutinizer05> the description alone makes no sense: either camera or flashlight kicks in when camera lens cover closed(!!) ?? WTF?!
Aug 05 15:15:48 <luke-jr> vi__: pong
Aug 05 15:19:22 <DocScrutinizer05> uhuh http://thecodecentral.com/flashlight-extra-for-maemo-nokia-n900, so I wonder what was so damn fsckdup with this silly useful little thing
Aug 05 15:21:27 <DocScrutinizer05> >> Marcus October 28, 2010 8:20 am This program drains my battery This was difficult to trace. Apparently the /etc/event.d/flashlight-extra script is started every 2 seconds. Could there possibly be some wrong registration? Btw: Deinstalling solved the thing
Aug 05 15:22:32 <DocScrutinizer05> >> Mike December 6, 2010 5:26 pm I don't know about pr1.2, but this does not play nice with pr1.3, including with Titan's power kernel. Upon installation, it worked but I noticed everything became real laggy. CPU util went way up. On de-installation the system was somewhat more responsive but CPU is still high: it has apparently done something to make ohmd eat cycles which persists between reboots. I'm trying to fix this and there are 
Aug 05 15:22:33 <DocScrutinizer05> seversl TMO threads on the subject. This is a nice app, but you guys really need to fix this major bug!
Aug 05 15:23:40 <DocScrutinizer05> so doc's advice: don't touch it, it's been a PITA to fix
Aug 05 15:24:09 <narcos> sed on busybox doesn't have the -u flag (unbuffered)
Aug 05 15:24:09 <jonwil> obvious question is to examine what it does and see why what its doing causes the bad things to happen
Aug 05 15:24:25 <narcos> Any ideas if I can update sed easily, or another way to make it unbuffered?
Aug 05 15:25:10 <DocScrutinizer05> narcos: why you need unbuffered? anyway get gnu-sed
Aug 05 15:25:17 <DocScrutinizer05> ~messybox
Aug 05 15:25:19 <infobot> messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils
Aug 05 15:26:30 <narcos> DocScrutinizer: I need unbuffered output because my script is infinite. 
Aug 05 15:26:44 <narcos> DocScrutinizer: Can I get gnu-sed for busybox...?
Aug 05 15:26:58 <DocScrutinizer05> err no
Aug 05 15:27:11 <DocScrutinizer05> there's no such thing since busybox is monolitic
Aug 05 15:27:16 <DocScrutinizer05> sed-gnu
Aug 05 15:27:25 <DocScrutinizer05> apt-get install sed-gnu
Aug 05 15:28:45 <narcos> DocScrutinizer: Gotcha, installed
Aug 05 15:29:28 <narcos> Hmm
Aug 05 15:29:44 <narcos> Should that replace my existing sed, or create a new binary sed-gnu?
Aug 05 15:29:52 <narcos> ('cos neither seem to have happened)
Aug 05 15:30:08 <DocScrutinizer05> hmm? invoke as gsed or /usr/bin/gnu/sed
Aug 05 15:31:01 <narcos> Ah, yeah, just found it with dpkg -L
Aug 05 15:31:06 <narcos> And it has the -u flag, awesome.
Aug 05 15:31:10 <narcos> Thank you DocScrutinizer
Aug 05 15:33:04 <narcos> Epic, script works lovely now.
Aug 05 15:33:04 <DocScrutinizer05> yw
Aug 05 15:33:33 <kerio> yay messybox removal
Aug 05 15:33:41 <DocScrutinizer05> narcos: or - better - set your path appropriately
Aug 05 15:33:45 <DocScrutinizer05> see:
Aug 05 15:33:48 <DocScrutinizer05> ~jrtools
Aug 05 15:33:48 <infobot> i heard jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools
Aug 05 15:33:55 <DocScrutinizer05> which does that for bash
Aug 05 15:34:14 <DocScrutinizer05> */gnu/* overriding */*
Aug 05 15:34:41 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: there's no mention of sed-gnu
Aug 05 15:34:44 <narcos> ah nice
Aug 05 15:34:50 <DocScrutinizer05> and no, kerio. nobody removes messybox
Aug 05 15:35:31 <DocScrutinizer05> kerio: there's also no mention of rice crackers
Aug 05 15:38:29 <kerio> is /usr/bin/gnu optified?
Aug 05 15:38:45 <kerio> i mean, the stuff that ends up there
Aug 05 15:50:50 <DocScrutinizer05> afaik not
Aug 05 15:50:53 <DocScrutinizer05> lemme check
Aug 05 15:51:46 <DocScrutinizer05> all optified, except 3 or 4 binaries
Aug 05 15:51:58 <DocScrutinizer05> I actually did that test like a week before
Aug 05 15:53:56 <DocScrutinizer05> cmp diff  diff3  rgrep  sdiff  updatedb
Aug 05 15:54:38 <DocScrutinizer05> 43 Mar 19  2010 rgrep
Aug 05 15:54:51 <DocScrutinizer05> so forget that 43byte thingie
Aug 05 15:55:03 <kerio> how much does a symlink weigh?
Aug 05 15:55:57 <DocScrutinizer05> 6
Aug 05 15:56:23 <DocScrutinizer05> lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root            6 Jul 26  2010 md5sum.textutils -> md5sum
Aug 05 15:56:25 <kerio> "/opt/grep/rgrep" is longer than 6 characters
Aug 05 15:57:08 <DocScrutinizer05> ~ # file /usr/bin/gnu/rgrep
Aug 05 15:57:10 <DocScrutinizer05> /usr/bin/gnu/rgrep: Bourne shell script text executable
Aug 05 15:57:34 <DocScrutinizer05> will eat a whole block anyway
Aug 05 15:57:43 <DocScrutinizer05> no matter if 6 or 43 or 200
Aug 05 15:58:16 <DocScrutinizer05> unless ubi is special here
Aug 05 15:59:39 <kerio> ubi is a way of dealing with flash memory
Aug 05 15:59:46 <kerio> ubifs is a fs that works on ubi
Aug 05 15:59:49 <kerio> and yes, it's "special"
Aug 05 16:05:51 <DocScrutinizer05> there are a number of "special" fs: some store very small data chunks to the inode directly, thus not eating _any_ additional disk space
Aug 05 16:06:09 <DocScrutinizer05> others like reiserfs do basically not use blocks at all
Aug 05 16:06:52 <DocScrutinizer05> and ubifs does some compression
Aug 05 16:07:05 <DocScrutinizer05> honestly, I couldn't care less
Aug 05 16:07:24 <DocScrutinizer05> ...looking at that 43 byte scriptie called egrep
Aug 05 16:07:44 <DocScrutinizer05> rgrep even
Aug 05 16:08:17 <DocScrutinizer05> #!/bin/sh
Aug 05 16:08:18 <DocScrutinizer05> exec /usr/bin/gnu/grep -r "$@"
Aug 05 16:09:02 <DocScrutinizer05> I think there's funnier stuff to deal with
Aug 05 16:09:55 <DocScrutinizer05> e.g. "why is cmp/diff* not optified?"
Aug 05 16:11:23 <DocScrutinizer05>  18680 Apr 21  2010 cmp    61316 Apr 21  2010 diff    18960 Apr 21  2010 diff3    18204 Apr 21  2010 sdiff
Aug 05 16:12:00 <DocScrutinizer05> 117k if my math still works
Aug 05 16:13:09 <DocScrutinizer05> I might ignore    9779 Apr  8 18:10 updatedb
Aug 05 16:15:06 <kerio> updatedb is a shell script
Aug 05 16:15:12 <kerio> diff probably needs to be optified
Aug 05 16:15:40 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: by the way, updatedb with the change written in ~jrtools doesn't actually work for me
Aug 05 16:15:54 <kerio> it calls gnu find by default, now
Aug 05 16:17:27 <DocScrutinizer05> kerio: I know, I fixed it
Aug 05 16:17:39 <kerio> =3
Aug 05 16:17:49 <DocScrutinizer05> ;-P
Aug 05 16:17:51 <kerio> then update your wiki page!
Aug 05 16:17:59 <DocScrutinizer05> huh?
Aug 05 16:18:03 <kerio> ~jrtools
Aug 05 16:18:04 <DocScrutinizer05> well, dafaq
Aug 05 16:18:14 <kerio> oh balls
Aug 05 16:18:18 <DocScrutinizer05> indeed
Aug 05 16:18:23 <DocScrutinizer05> she's out again
Aug 05 16:18:57 <DocScrutinizer05> seems she needs a secretary, or loong holiday
Aug 05 16:19:25 <DocScrutinizer05> povbot: seen infobot
Aug 05 16:19:25 <povbot> DocScrutinizer05: infobot was last seen in #maemo 45 minutes and 37 seconds ago: <infobot> i heard jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools
Aug 05 18:07:10 <nox-> http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/business-it/nokia-closes-australian-development-office-20120803-23kc4.html
Aug 05 18:07:48 <Gh0sty> in a couple of months
Aug 05 18:07:54 <Gh0sty> nokia closes its books! 
Aug 05 18:11:35 <RST38h> "They will become popular when we get away from the word insects and use something like mini-livestock"
Aug 05 18:42:48 <DocScrutinizer05> 400g mini-livestock fried, with potatoes, please
Aug 05 19:36:16 <Wizzup> so to anyone who is interested, I pretty much figured out the sms tar
Aug 05 19:36:35 <Wizzup> Luckily the sms db is sqlite3, so we can easily concat the sms'es with sqlite3
Aug 05 19:36:50 <Wizzup> with smssend it is easy to send a batch of sms, so it's pretty much done
Aug 05 19:39:09 <ShadowJK_> how did you coordinate this without internets
Aug 05 19:39:31 <Wizzup> I sms'd him
Aug 05 19:39:33 <Wizzup> :D
Aug 05 20:00:45 <DocScrutinizer05> huh?
Aug 05 20:01:21 * DocScrutinizer05 thinks he has a tiny bit less than zarro context
Aug 05 20:03:16 <DocScrutinizer05> I might make some sense out of Wizzup's first line. 2nd gets hard, 3rd & 4th is mere gibberish
Aug 05 20:03:17 <ShadowJK_> He was in here earlier today, wanting to send a tarball over sms
Aug 05 20:03:32 <DocScrutinizer05> do what?
Aug 05 20:03:54 <ShadowJK_> Use SMS text messages as data transport, to move a .tar.xz from one N900 in america to another N900 in sweden
Aug 05 20:04:07 <DocScrutinizer05> duh
Aug 05 20:04:29 <ShadowJK_> I told him a N900 without internet connectivity is like a car without engine, you can use donkeys to pull it, but then you look as stupid as borat
Aug 05 20:04:37 <DocScrutinizer05> my old Nokia 6210 had multi-sms as transport for WAP
Aug 05 20:04:58 <DocScrutinizer05> even for generic data
Aug 05 20:05:27 <DocScrutinizer05> seems 15 years ago it been a valid alternative to GPRS
Aug 05 20:05:36 <r00t|n900> yay for WAP 1.x
Aug 05 20:05:37 <DocScrutinizer05> and HSCSD
Aug 05 20:06:32 <DocScrutinizer05> anyway seems a layer mess when sqlite db gets involved
Aug 05 20:07:11 <DocScrutinizer05> pnatd for sender side, direct dbus interface on RX side to skim the raw text
Aug 05 20:12:21 <Wizzup> @ rx side, sqlite seemed like a nice way to do it seeing I am not in direct contact with him atm
Aug 05 20:14:35 <Wizzup> ShadowJK_: also, I don't live in America :) 
Aug 05 20:14:43 <ShadowJK_> oops
Aug 05 20:14:51 <ShadowJK_> Well too far away for sneakernet
Aug 05 20:15:03 <Wizzup> yep, amsterdam
Aug 05 20:28:12 <DocScrutinizer05> wait, one SMs is how much? 160char? for 2ct? 0.1ct?
Aug 05 20:28:38 <Wizzup> Well, I got about 1000 sms/month anyway, and I never really use them
Aug 05 20:28:45 <Wizzup> This was 57 sms
Aug 05 20:28:50 <DocScrutinizer05> at least 10 char for CRC and sequence number
Aug 05 20:29:06 <Wizzup> start_time should be enough @ seq num
Aug 05 20:29:10 <DocScrutinizer05> damn small .tgz
Aug 05 20:29:20 <Wizzup> yeah, it's three patches
Aug 05 20:31:36 <DocScrutinizer05> you probably should use a reed solomon code instead of plain .tgz snippets with some kind of serial number and CRC
Aug 05 20:31:39 <DocScrutinizer05> ;-D
Aug 05 20:33:47 <DocScrutinizer05> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reed_Solomon
Aug 05 20:34:38 <DocScrutinizer05> particularly good when bursts of e.g. 160 symbols are error
Aug 05 20:39:01 <Wizzup> DocScrutinizer05: jw, why do you expect an error?
Aug 05 20:48:42 <DocScrutinizer05> SMS may get lost
Aug 05 20:49:34 <DocScrutinizer05> unless you want to use a acknowledging protocol, some kind of forward error correction might help
Aug 05 20:51:17 <DocScrutinizer05> otoh SMS actually offers some level of ACK for free. If you ask for reception ack
Aug 05 20:51:55 <Wizzup> ah, nice
Aug 05 20:52:11 <DocScrutinizer05> then it's often the feedback for reception ack that gets lost in international SMs transfer
Aug 05 20:52:55 <Wizzup> lol
Aug 05 20:55:46 <Venemo> ~seen SfietKonstantin
Aug 05 22:51:22 <Hurrian> alright, got RescueOS item in u-boot
Aug 05 22:51:28 <Hurrian> time to have some fun with fremantle.
Aug 05 22:53:18 <DocScrutinizer05> Hurrian: sounds interesting
Aug 05 22:53:49 <Hurrian> meh, rescueos already comes with cpio initrd, all I had to do was fill in the .item file
Aug 05 22:54:15 <Hurrian> I plan to copy the maemo roots to a partition, and build kernel-power with mmc support and removed mmc power management support
Aug 05 22:54:21 <DocScrutinizer05> I think I can't follow
Aug 05 22:54:25 <Hurrian> *mmc and ext4 support
Aug 05 22:54:46 <Hurrian> s/roots/rootfs/
Aug 05 22:59:23 <MrPingu> freemangordon, ping
Aug 05 23:02:57 <MrPingu> oh sorry, g2g
Aug 06 00:05:41 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: calibration script confirmed not flatbatrecovering
Aug 06 00:05:47 <kerio> (the latest version)
Aug 06 01:55:39 <Gear> hey
Aug 06 02:02:45 <Gear> is the n900 dying?
Aug 06 02:03:17 <nox-> its on life support
Aug 06 02:03:18 <nox-> :P
Aug 06 02:03:18 <wmarone__>  depends, does it still turn on?
Aug 06 02:03:25 <Gear> in some forums a lot of are turning them into dedicated pentesting devices
Aug 06 02:03:36 <Gear> and not really using them as a main phone anymore
Aug 06 02:04:27 <wmarone__> well, that's what they're doing, I suppose
Aug 06 02:04:30 <wmarone__> I still use mine as a phone
Aug 06 02:04:48 <Gear> me too, I bought another one for when my main one eventually dies
Aug 06 02:05:03 <wmarone__> heh
Aug 06 02:05:09 <wmarone__> I'm waiting to see what Jolla does
Aug 06 02:05:19 <Gear> what's jolla?
Aug 06 02:05:35 <wmarone__> https://twitter.com/JollaMobile
Aug 06 02:06:42 <nox-> i guess the main q is whill jolla use this aegis thing too?
Aug 06 02:06:54 <nox-> -h
Aug 06 02:06:59 <Gear> why am I looking at twitter
Aug 06 02:07:55 <Gear> hey I was wondering if there are some repositories that I can add other than extras or extras devel
Aug 06 02:08:04 <Gear> I mean extras testing
Aug 06 02:08:29 <Gear> devel sort of doesn't work
Aug 06 02:09:18 <Gear> or are they still the main ones
Aug 06 02:09:41 <wmarone__> Gear: because at this point twitter and linkedin are the primary points of communicatin for Jolla
Aug 06 02:09:52 <wmarone__> nox-: hopefully not
Aug 06 02:10:02 <nox-> indeed
Aug 06 02:10:40 <Gear> I can't talk in #electronics
Aug 06 02:10:51 <nox-> i hope they realise their target users are geeks not $lusers...
Aug 06 02:11:18 <nox-> and leave aegis and thelikes out
Aug 06 02:11:20 <Gear> what's a $luser
Aug 06 02:11:41 <nox-> somone who just uses stuff w/o caring how it works
Aug 06 02:11:52 <LaoLang_cool> I hope Jolla will support N900 ;p
Aug 06 02:12:04 <Gear> that's why the n9 sucks so much :(
Aug 06 02:12:20 <Gear> only about 5% of anyone cares how anything works
Aug 06 02:12:25 <nox-> that, and lack of kbd
Aug 06 02:12:48 <nox-> Gear, yeah but those that dont buy iphones or android anyway
Aug 06 02:15:09 <Gear> people who care how things work will hack the best devices regardless
Aug 06 02:15:52 <Gear> but the n900 is the best phone ever
Aug 06 02:16:16 <Gear> and there has to be a demand for something else like it sometime in the future
Aug 06 02:17:36 <Gear> it's a requirement for most people to be able to at least use a computer
Aug 06 02:17:38 <LaoLang_cool> Gear, n900 is far away from the best 'phone', it just is a super mini tablet
Aug 06 02:18:12 <LaoLang_cool> Many basic phone functions is missing
Aug 06 02:18:53 <Gear> it's the best device I can carry that will let me call and text and somewhat send pxts
Aug 06 02:19:20 <Gear> are phones supposed to do more than that?
Aug 06 02:19:48 <LaoLang_cool> It's a phone, not the best phone
Aug 06 02:20:02 <LaoLang_cool> far away from betst
Aug 06 02:20:07 <LaoLang_cool> s/betst/best/
Aug 06 02:20:35 <Gear> okey dokey
Aug 06 02:21:04 <nox-> it does the job as a phone, its nice as a `small computer'
Aug 06 02:21:14 <LaoLang_cool> yes
Aug 06 02:21:23 <LaoLang_cool> exactly
Aug 06 02:22:15 <Gear> it's the best pocket sized computer that also comes with a phone
Aug 06 02:29:12 <Mick_F> Hello everyone. Today I replaced my old lock password for my N900 with a new one.. and yes, I forgot it. I've searched around and the only technique I've found is to get the password hash over the terminal and crack it with some unix password cracker like JohnTheRipper
Aug 06 02:29:42 <RST38h> You forgot extra "my" before "new one".
Aug 06 02:30:54 <Mick_F> Problem is, the device is off, I can't even start it without the pass. I've tryed to reflash it using maemo flasher and the two images, and I can't still get rid of the pass..
Aug 06 02:31:07 <RST38h> But see here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37808
Aug 06 02:31:57 <Mick_F> I was wondering if there's some way to reach the filesystem over the usb cable (holding u key maybe?) to get at least the hash? Or some other known solution?
Aug 06 02:32:29 <Mick_F> RST38h: true, I need to work on my English..
Aug 06 02:37:31 <Mick_F> RST38h: and this thread is for people who can boot their phones without the code. As I described, I can't do it.
Aug 06 02:38:29 <RST38h> You only need SSH access
Aug 06 02:38:43 <RST38h> Apparently, SSH is already up when it is asking for the code
Aug 06 02:43:41 <Mick_F> is this network over usb cable?
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