**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Aug 06 02:59:58 2012 Aug 06 03:00:50 Obama for America campaign's new mobile app is raising privacy concerns with its Google map that recognizes one's current location, marks nearby Democratic households with small blue flags, and displays the first name, age and gender of the voter or voters who live there (e.g.,'Lori C., 58 F, Democrat'). Aug 06 03:01:28 Kristallnacht? THERE IS AN APP FOR THAT! Aug 06 03:19:34 Awesome Aug 06 03:19:49 I saw that there's some Facebook app that is letter users link their friends with public voting records Aug 06 03:20:02 so they can better target people who didn't vote D in previous elections. Aug 06 03:25:03 Greetings, maemo-mapper aka mappero has stopped working for me. I always get an error "Invalid source or destination". The GPS is on, gpsjinni seems to work, the supl server is set to supl.google.com (which I can ping) and I've tried setting the source to a non-gps value.... Any ideas? Aug 06 03:29:01 also, if I'm allowed a second question. The N900 is by far the best phone I've ever had, I'm thinking about getting another, Would I be able to find a n950? What's the future of this phone? I'm cool with no-further development as long as I can continue to download the currently availalbe apps Aug 06 03:30:20 the n950 was never sold so there are only very few of them Aug 06 03:32:59 figured as much Aug 06 03:33:47 do you think that the open-source-ness made the n900 a target ? Aug 06 03:47:12 a target for? Aug 06 03:55:59 nox-: I would think that the powers that be would rather see a phone with backdoors rather than an opensource phone Aug 06 03:56:24 oh Aug 06 03:56:34 well theres enough closedsource stuff on maemo as well... Aug 06 03:57:40 seems they always got the properity drivers for the screen just in case Aug 06 03:58:51 or the cellmodem, or... Aug 06 03:59:27 nvidia comes to mind Aug 06 03:59:33 any idea about mappero Aug 06 04:44:05 anyone around with a working N900 build environment? Aug 06 04:54:07 jonwil I had gotten it working on debian once a long time ago Aug 06 04:54:51 ok, I am mostly looking for someone who can compile something for me since my own build environment is out of action right now Aug 06 04:57:11 sorry Aug 06 04:57:48 ok Aug 06 08:58:07 has someone fixed this already http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=44439&page=19#186 Aug 06 09:02:46 how big is a bl-5j from nokia supposed to be? Aug 06 09:04:07 http://www.cpkb.org/wiki/Nokia_BL-5J_battery Aug 06 09:04:11 Size: 60 mm x 38 mm x 5.5 mm Aug 06 09:06:54 StyXman: heh, i meant in charge Aug 06 09:06:59 i mean, capacity Aug 06 09:08:12 kerio: ah, no idea Aug 06 09:09:02 1320mAh, it's on that wiki Aug 06 09:09:05 kerio: iirc 1250mAH Aug 06 09:09:12 or there abouts Aug 06 09:09:40 kerio: you working on a fast charger? Aug 06 09:10:28 hm, mine is at 1313mAh Aug 06 09:10:28 :) Aug 06 09:11:12 maybe it's time to stock up on it before it becomes a rarity Aug 06 09:11:48 jon_y: 1320, says that wiki Aug 06 09:12:06 and eventually i'll move to a dual scud or something Aug 06 09:12:09 if i find a way of putting them Aug 06 09:12:11 er Aug 06 09:12:18 if i find a way of putting two batteries in an otterbox Aug 06 09:12:19 problem with stocking up on li-ion/lipoly is that they decay over time Aug 06 09:12:20 kerio: yeah, battery eye says 1200 on mine, its a bit old Aug 06 09:12:36 jaska: even if half charged? Aug 06 09:12:49 jon_y: i calibrated bq27k like thrice in a row Aug 06 09:12:55 slower half-charged in low-ish (not freezing).. but they still do Aug 06 09:12:57 it's definetely accurate :) Aug 06 09:12:58 iirc most manufacturers store it at 50% charge Aug 06 09:13:17 kerio: DocScrutinizer05's script? Aug 06 09:13:18 i thought the best way was 70% charge and in the freezer Aug 06 09:13:29 jon_y: once manually and twice with that, yes Aug 06 09:13:45 what does the script actually do? Aug 06 09:13:52 and how long does a cycle take? Aug 06 09:14:17 well, i usually run it after charging fully and once it's a bit empty Aug 06 09:15:17 kerio: how long? complete discharge in 10 minutes? :) Aug 06 09:15:53 I made that happen once before, phone was flaming hot, some process got stuck in the background, phone not responding Aug 06 09:16:51 btw, anybody know if there are downsides to using the wifi injector drivers over the stock ones? Aug 06 09:24:11 jon_y: more like 4-5 hours from full Aug 06 09:24:23 it doesn't do anything to discharge Aug 06 09:24:50 you're supposed to leave it with nothing open except for maybe the network connected (not offline mode) Aug 06 09:24:58 and the backlight at level 5, always on Aug 06 09:25:16 a constant-ish discharge is better for calibration Aug 06 09:25:50 ok, I might do that over the weekends, it won't cause a lowbat reboot right? Aug 06 09:25:50 the injection drivers have crappy powersaving Aug 06 09:25:55 especially in monitor mode Aug 06 09:26:09 what about over normal use? Aug 06 09:26:10 bme won't reboot the phone if the charger is connected :) Aug 06 09:26:18 eeh, i don't know Aug 06 09:26:27 are the stock drivers bad in some way? Aug 06 09:26:45 nope, just too lazy to call the load/unload script :) Aug 06 09:26:48 jon_y: it's supposed to be used overnight Aug 06 09:27:08 you mean the calibration script? Aug 06 09:27:21 it (charges until vdq is 1, then )stops charging and waits for edv1 to turn on Aug 06 09:27:27 then reenables charging Aug 06 09:27:39 (it charges with bme, so no problems there) Aug 06 09:28:34 well, my n900 can't start properly if rebooted without my attention, but I still love it Aug 06 09:28:49 hehe Aug 06 09:28:50 uboot won't start any of the kernels properly :( Aug 06 09:28:59 your fault for using uboot Aug 06 09:29:14 yeah Aug 06 09:29:19 why bother with anything except kp51, for the thumb workaround? Aug 06 09:29:31 I'm using kp51 Aug 06 09:29:52 I play a game of shuffling with the usb cable and flasher to start the phone Aug 06 09:30:05 takes a few tries, like an old car engine starting up Aug 06 09:30:34 n900 is still the goddamn best phone ever Aug 06 09:31:40 hahahaha Aug 06 09:31:40 and they say that tethered jailbreak of the iphone is bad Aug 06 09:32:25 I like it that way, it builds character, now get of my lawn :) Aug 06 09:42:24 bl-5j was 1350. Aug 06 09:42:36 Recently nokia have updated it to 1450. Aug 06 09:42:55 You can aqcuire 'scud' batteries from china with 1500. Aug 06 09:43:36 However scud have started ripping themselves off with counterfeits of their own products and making the 1500 a 'new' product. Aug 06 09:43:50 china, never go full retard. Aug 06 09:44:03 ? Aug 06 09:44:16 so is it 1500mAH or not? Aug 06 09:44:32 which one? Aug 06 09:44:41 scud 1500s Aug 06 09:45:16 Scud 'blue' USED to be 1500 back when they cost like $10 for 2. Aug 06 09:45:44 They then made the scud blue 1350 with all the same packaging as before without telling anyone. Aug 06 09:46:07 it even says 1500 on the packaging?? Aug 06 09:46:12 Then they introduced scud 'yellow' at like $20 for 2. Aug 06 09:46:23 The yellow was the 1500. Aug 06 09:46:39 ripoff Aug 06 09:46:43 like I said. They counterfeited their own product to try and make a short term gain. Aug 06 09:47:07 There are no words to describe how fucked that is. Aug 06 09:47:15 how much are Nokia's? Aug 06 09:47:34 I don't even know. Aug 06 09:47:43 $40 for a real one. Aug 06 09:47:49 $5 for a fake. Aug 06 09:48:08 fake ones come with smaller capacities? Aug 06 09:48:27 jon_y: You never know what you will get with a fake. Aug 06 09:48:41 generally smalelr capacity, yes. Aug 06 09:48:57 my brother bought a fake nokia battery once, it expanded and misshaped after charging :( Aug 06 09:49:05 kerio: of course monitor mode has no power saving. DERP. Aug 06 09:49:16 jon_y: lesson learned the hard way. Aug 06 09:49:43 well, I'm still using the original BL-5J from 2009 Aug 06 09:49:57 not sure if it's time to change Aug 06 09:51:00 I have two generic chinese batts. both had the plastic header, where the connectors are, detached from the body, and one has swollen to a point I refuse to put it in my n900 Aug 06 09:51:58 fuck dat. Aug 06 09:52:13 :| Aug 06 09:53:55 protip: cheap batteries and flash memory are junk. Aug 06 09:54:12 * StyXman takes note Aug 06 09:54:26 when it comes to mobile devices, anything cheap is likely to be junk Aug 06 09:54:39 like someone selling a N900 front bezel for 5eur, it cant be genuine at that price Aug 06 10:01:02 I bought a 4GB microSD for $6, works fine :) Aug 06 10:01:46 The Japod I got from dealextreme is still clocking in 1430mAh at 130 cycles of use Aug 06 10:02:33 It's amazing, it has lost less capacity than Original BL-5J's, and as a bonus, it started off much higher than the original BL-5J's too Aug 06 10:02:50 kerio: btw, should I recalibrate if I get a new battery? Aug 06 10:04:08 anyone here have a wireless network that supports WiFi protected setup? Aug 06 10:04:25 I do it just because I want to find out its capacity, and then after I do it every 10-20 cycles, and note down the capacity just to track how the battery is doing Aug 06 10:04:35 jonwil, I do Aug 06 10:04:40 but I don't know if I've used it Aug 06 10:04:50 ok Aug 06 10:05:12 iirc it asked about PINs or to press button on router, and I thought fuck that I'm not getting up from the couch, and just did normal WPA2 key instead Aug 06 10:05:15 :P Aug 06 10:05:36 ShadowJK_: does it actually affect the battery life? Aug 06 10:06:20 or does it calibrate the charging IC on the battery capacity? Aug 06 10:06:33 reclibrations and such does not change battery life at all Aug 06 10:06:43 and it does nothing at all to charging Aug 06 10:07:11 so, more accurate graphs on battery eye? Aug 06 10:07:37 No, battery eye uses the data provided by bme, and bme doesn't use the data provided by bq27200 (the charge metering chip) Aug 06 10:07:54 So it doesn't do anything at all to the default standard battery meters and battery apps Aug 06 10:08:36 basically I am trying to see if I can find someone who can connect a N900 to WiFi protected setup and log the dbus signals that get sent when you connect :) Aug 06 10:09:18 The N900 has 3.5 different battery meters. There's the bq27200, unused by default software. bme, which does its own metering. And the 3g modem, which also does its own, unused. The .5 is the "battery full" indicator when charging, this seems to run independently of both the charging chip and the bme battery meter. Aug 06 10:09:44 ok Aug 06 10:10:12 how is bq27200 different from bme? Aug 06 10:10:25 more accurate readings? Aug 06 10:10:26 Out of these, the bq27200, when properly calibrated, is the most accurate. bme can give a reasonable estimate most of the time even without any calibration, but it can also go very wrong Aug 06 10:11:02 where does the calibration data live? Aug 06 10:11:24 Another benefit of bq27200 is that we can get realtime power consumption data, on a 5 second by 5 second basis. With bme, we can sort of derive it, but the data arrives irregulary, sometimes hours in between. Aug 06 10:11:34 It's inside the chip itself Aug 06 10:12:14 The chip is actually designed to be a part of the battery itself, not designed to sit inside the phone.. Also, the chip is programmed with defaults that would be appropriate for a 2000mAh battery... so by default, it's way off in telling you how many % is left Aug 06 10:13:02 It's also designed to keep a track of battery capacity, as the battery ages.. This doesn't work too well either, because normally in a normal system, bme switches the device off before battery reaches the "empty" mark at which bq27200 would "learn" the capacity of the battery Aug 06 10:13:36 There are some cases where bme absolutely fails, like when you use a very large battery, like Estel's 3000mAh battery :P Aug 06 10:14:35 oh, I heard of that battery Aug 06 10:14:47 can't find it in retail stores Aug 06 10:14:55 No estel constructed his own Aug 06 10:15:17 Apart from DIY, there's an expensive 2400mAh "Mugen" battery Aug 06 10:15:26 Mugen probably doesn't have their stuff in any retail stores at all Aug 06 10:16:27 wow, time is running. Need to get ready for work Aug 06 10:18:05 FWIW the bq27x00 is not the charging controller chip. Aug 06 10:23:09 ShadowJK_: I thought I saw a giant N900 battery before Aug 06 10:23:23 it came with its own cover case, since the factory case wouldn't fit Aug 06 10:23:41 yeah, probably the Mugen battery Aug 06 10:23:54 vi_: just the monitoring chip? Aug 06 10:26:10 Hi all. Has anyone had luck upgrading wireshark/tshark on the maemo? Aug 06 10:26:37 Version 1.2.6 is super old. Aug 06 11:38:32 Hi,nandtester here...wasn't able to recover my N900 yet-still waiting for my external usb charger to arrive Aug 06 11:38:53 started with the coldflash process & display responded Aug 06 11:40:46 since it's important that the battery is fully charged-what could happen in the worst case, if I start the recovery & the battery is not fully charged...can it get any worse that it is already? Aug 06 12:04:22 jon_y: note that calibrating bq27k will offer you no change in behavior regarding bme Aug 06 12:04:32 bq27k data isn't actually used, you have to ask for it manually Aug 06 12:05:27 more like better estimation on how much battery life I have left? Aug 06 12:05:42 eeh, i don't know Aug 06 12:05:45 bme is really stupid Aug 06 12:05:50 it thinks it knows better than anyone else Aug 06 12:06:58 bme doesn't know anything other than the default Nokia batteries? Aug 06 12:07:21 bme doesn't know anything, period Aug 06 12:07:38 bq27200 is actually a pretty fucking good battery meter Aug 06 12:08:24 Hi,nandtester here...wasn't able to recover my N900 yet-still waiting for my external usb charger to arrive Aug 06 12:08:25 started with the coldflash process & display responded Aug 06 12:08:31 sambo7: ohai Aug 06 12:08:46 since it's important that the battery is fully charged-what could happen in the worst case, if I start the recovery & the battery is not fully charged...can it get any worse that it already is? Aug 06 12:09:01 sambo7: i doubt you can make it *worse* Aug 06 12:09:08 but hey, it could Aug 06 12:09:46 don't want to risk that it gets even worse,because I have hope now Aug 06 12:09:46 kerio: bme just measures by the voltage? Aug 06 12:09:57 jon_y: there's actually some calibration data stored in CAL i believe Aug 06 12:10:05 CAL? Aug 06 12:10:07 sambo7: i had to buy a DT-33 to get my N900 batteries charged Aug 06 12:10:13 since I emptied them:< Aug 06 12:10:24 jon_y: /dev/mtd1 Aug 06 12:10:27 "config" Aug 06 12:10:28 iirc you can flash/recover whatever fine with a 50% battery level Aug 06 12:10:29 Lava_Croft: flatbatrecover not helping? Aug 06 12:10:41 jon_y: no idea that existed, im talking about a year ago now:) Aug 06 12:10:48 and DT-33 looks so cute Aug 06 12:10:51 kerio: flash mtd? Aug 06 12:10:53 flatbatrecovery won't help you if you bork the booting at the same time as you discharge the battery Aug 06 12:11:00 too bad the N9 comes with a shit battery solution Aug 06 12:11:02 jon_y: yeah, it's one of the "partitions" of the mtd Aug 06 12:11:08 I ordered an external usb charger but I guess, it will take some more days till it's here Aug 06 12:11:19 sambo7: you ordered DT-33? Aug 06 12:11:27 as in, Nokia external battery charger? Aug 06 12:11:53 N900 cannot charge batteries if it isnt booted Aug 06 12:12:10 Lava_Croft: I remembered a colleague of mine used a deliberately lower voltage to fool the charger into charging a very dead battery Aug 06 12:12:31 jon_y: i also heard about people using other Nokia and some cheap hacking to charge the BL5J Aug 06 12:12:35 :) Aug 06 12:12:35 not sure if the same trick can work with any external chargers Aug 06 12:12:51 but DT-33 was cheap and it charges just about any Nokia battery, so meh Aug 06 12:12:55 easy solution:) Aug 06 12:13:04 I might get one too :) Aug 06 12:13:22 i have 4 N900 batteries, so having a few charging and a few discharging is quite handy indeed Aug 06 12:13:28 is it easy to get? Aug 06 12:13:33 yup Aug 06 12:13:40 i ordered it at the store i always use Aug 06 12:13:45 from any Nokia dealer? Aug 06 12:13:50 its a stock nokia thing, i bet its easy to get a hold of Aug 06 12:13:59 or any non-nokia dealer, as long as they sell it:) Aug 06 12:14:13 hmm, hopefully its not gray market goods, it can get hard Aug 06 12:14:22 anyway, i have a 32gb sandisk microsd Aug 06 12:14:22 just google for Nokia DT-33 site:[your country's TLD] Aug 06 12:14:22 :D Aug 06 12:14:31 kerio: 64gb here:) Aug 06 12:14:34 :c Aug 06 12:14:37 *micro*sd? Aug 06 12:14:38 neat Aug 06 12:14:39 unmarked shit thing Aug 06 12:14:40 yes Aug 06 12:14:42 haha Aug 06 12:14:44 im not using it Aug 06 12:14:46 i got it for free Aug 06 12:14:49 the one I ordered is BL-5J BP-6MT Aug 06 12:14:50 i think a tape recorder is faster Aug 06 12:15:02 even a sandisk mobile ultra 64gb is awful Aug 06 12:15:02 sambo7: that sounds like it only charges BL5J's Aug 06 12:15:12 (for random writes, which is what matters for swap) Aug 06 12:15:22 kerio: i use an 8gb one now, works fine Aug 06 12:15:29 its not like the N900 has a lack of storage:) Aug 06 12:15:30 i'm actually going to modify the ereswap script to toggle between... idk, two 4gb swap partitions Aug 06 12:15:39 i dont even use ereswap Aug 06 12:15:41 that leaves me 23gb Aug 06 12:15:47 i just use my own simple bash shit Aug 06 12:15:52 http://www.ebay.de/itm/BL-5J-BP-6MT-Akku-Ladegeraet-Nokia-5800-5230-N81-N82-/270707829280#ht_4990wt_1141 Aug 06 12:15:56 Lava_Croft: ereswap is a simple bash shit :) Aug 06 12:15:59 i know Aug 06 12:16:01 eh, I use sshfs :) Aug 06 12:16:07 sambo7: wtf Aug 06 12:16:09 granted access is sloooow Aug 06 12:16:10 cancel order Aug 06 12:16:24 if you are going to spend money on external charger, really get a DT-33 Aug 06 12:16:33 Lava_Croft: on the other hand, 3€ Aug 06 12:16:35 I have 4TBs to my n900 Aug 06 12:16:41 jon_y: hahaha Aug 06 12:16:43 put swap there! Aug 06 12:16:52 http://blog.mytrendyphone.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/nokia-battery-charging-stand-dt-33.png Aug 06 12:16:52 :) Aug 06 12:16:55 look how cute! Aug 06 12:16:59 and you can rotate the top 45degrees Aug 06 12:17:04 and other nokia batteries will fit then Aug 06 12:17:25 its like a card holder! Aug 06 12:18:00 Actually I don't like other Nokia phones...so I don't need a charger for other Nokia devices;-) Aug 06 12:19:42 :) Aug 06 12:19:50 i like nokia quality tho Aug 06 12:20:11 is $10 overpriced for a DT-33? Aug 06 12:21:17 i paid about 8e orso Aug 06 12:21:19 so not really i guess Aug 06 12:21:31 ok, thanks Aug 06 12:22:04 postage costs about 50% :| Aug 06 12:22:58 you can get it in Germany on ebay for 12€ - no postage costs Aug 06 12:23:57 I live on the other side of the world though Aug 06 12:24:27 well, in East Asia Aug 06 12:25:03 Hong Kong Sellers on eBay are plentiful enough though Aug 06 12:26:36 9,30$+4,20$ from hongkong Aug 06 12:29:26 sambo7: there is a seperate adapter for the charger? Aug 06 12:29:42 jon_y: no Aug 06 12:29:47 you need one of those standard nokia chargers Aug 06 12:29:53 of which anyone i know has at least 10 of Aug 06 12:29:57 found a disassembled N900 with a damaged display for 45€..but decided not to get that one, because I feel confident that mine will work again Aug 06 12:30:40 Lava_Croft: I mean, does the charger need a wall wart to plug into? Aug 06 12:30:55 goddammit i hate fdisk Aug 06 12:30:57 you mean a power plug? Aug 06 12:30:57 yes Aug 06 12:31:00 and i hate this compatibility bullshit Aug 06 12:31:06 it cannot draw power from thin air:< Aug 06 12:31:06 what do you guys use for partitioning? Aug 06 12:31:20 cfdisk on a linux distro Aug 06 12:31:32 on my desktop PC Aug 06 12:31:34 Lava_Croft: oh you Aug 06 12:31:42 Lava_Croft: the eBay listings don't come with a wall wart :( Aug 06 12:31:46 meh, i'll install cfdisk Aug 06 12:31:59 can't charge without a plug to begin with Aug 06 12:32:38 jon_y: they dont Aug 06 12:32:42 but those nokia chargers, heh Aug 06 12:32:47 i bet anyone is willing to give you to them for free Aug 06 12:32:51 before they hang themselves with it Aug 06 12:32:55 i have about 12 of those things orso Aug 06 12:32:59 i never even owned 12 nokias Aug 06 12:33:10 its like dvd drives orso Aug 06 12:33:17 i dont know where the heck they come from, but the accumulate in my closet Aug 06 12:33:23 they* Aug 06 12:33:36 they breed like rabids in there? Aug 06 12:33:47 you have a DT-33 farm in your closet? Aug 06 12:33:49 :) Aug 06 12:41:04 like rabid rabbits? Aug 06 12:41:40 yeah Aug 06 12:42:47 jon_y: no, i mean the chargers for phones Aug 06 12:42:52 the one you need to power the actual dt-33 Aug 06 12:43:01 those standard nokia chargers with a small round plug Aug 06 12:43:14 oh, the ancient thingamabobs Aug 06 12:43:18 they arent ancient Aug 06 12:43:25 at all Aug 06 12:43:44 same one since 31xx? Aug 06 12:44:01 no Aug 06 12:44:09 it was bigger back then Aug 06 12:44:12 then it shrunk Aug 06 12:44:38 there was one bigger than the 3310 charger? Aug 06 12:44:43 no Aug 06 12:44:48 3310 was the big one Aug 06 12:44:58 and then there was smaller one used by like N8 or N95 Aug 06 12:45:08 ok, might be hard to find it Aug 06 12:45:37 converter that came with n900 is taking those smaller plugs Aug 06 12:46:16 how do i make ke-recv mount something? Aug 06 12:46:43 heh, actually, you could draw power out of thin air, though any minute/tiny draw will alert the radio broadcast groups Aug 06 12:46:48 hm, ke-recv-test cb Aug 06 12:46:49 neat Aug 06 12:46:59 no, doesn't work D: Aug 06 12:48:34 meh Aug 06 12:49:15 jon_y: :) Aug 06 12:50:07 Is the NemoMobile porting to n900? Aug 06 12:50:08 Lava_Croft: well, for every action, there is a reaction, likewise for radio power draw :) Aug 06 12:50:26 I'm reading http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85905 Aug 06 13:03:31 hrmpf, i suck at shell scripting :c Aug 06 13:03:42 i need to toggle between two swap partitions if there's a need to Aug 06 13:03:46 saving iostat data somewhere Aug 06 13:03:51 halp Aug 06 13:04:41 should i do this with python, i wonder? Aug 06 13:05:19 where does iostat data come from? Aug 06 13:06:36 kerio: for i in /dev/mmc1p*; do mkdir -p /media/$i && mount /dev/$i /media/$i; done? Aug 06 13:06:50 oh, swap Aug 06 13:06:53 jon_y: no, i wanted the "official" mounting Aug 06 13:06:59 for mmc1 Aug 06 13:07:04 but that's less important, i don't really care Aug 06 13:07:08 I need more sleep Aug 06 13:07:17 mkswap && swapon Aug 06 13:07:25 i want a script that swaps (sic!) swap partitions when it's useful to Aug 06 13:07:36 swapoff before disconnecting it Aug 06 13:08:01 swapoff /dev/ Aug 06 13:08:15 well, you could poll for an mmc insert Aug 06 13:08:19 or dbus Aug 06 13:09:01 no, i just want to toggle between two partitions on my sd Aug 06 13:09:06 i have a bigass one, i want to use it :) Aug 06 13:09:36 hmm, I'm sure there are cpan modules :) Aug 06 13:09:40 reswap/ereswap, by default, use a backup partition to do the deswapping/reswapping Aug 06 13:09:53 i just want to move between the two, because i can Aug 06 13:11:21 well, modules to probe partition size Aug 06 13:11:48 jon_y: nah, you just need to grep/awk the output of iostat for that Aug 06 13:14:40 meh, i don't know how to shellscript :c Aug 06 13:15:20 * jon_y never liked shell scripting Aug 06 13:15:33 too fragile Aug 06 13:35:28 lol Aug 06 13:38:18 dunno, I always found shellscripts to work most cross-platform, OSrev independant and the easiest to fix IF sth goes awry Aug 06 13:39:11 DocScrutinizer05: i have 32gb of µSD :D Aug 06 13:39:28 most likely all your linux even boots on shellscripts (well, not exactly anymore in days of upstart and systemd) Aug 06 13:39:42 hm, what's the best way to "iw reg set JP" at boot time and every time the stock drivers are loaded? Aug 06 13:39:55 (i assume the injection drivers don't have a region problem) Aug 06 13:41:09 hm, there's definetely *something* that changed the regulatory domain from US to EU here Aug 06 13:42:37 kerio: You do not want JP, you want EU. Aug 06 13:42:42 why? Aug 06 13:42:45 [2012-08-06 15:07:25] i want a script that swaps (sic!) swap partitions when it's useful to))) go for ShadowJK_'s reswap.sh Aug 06 13:42:45 isn't JP even better? Aug 06 13:42:54 because JP has power restrictions on 12+13 Aug 06 13:43:07 n900 hardware does not go to 14. Aug 06 13:43:15 therefore JP is pointless. Aug 06 13:43:31 k Aug 06 13:43:49 unless of course you want to comply with the law when you are in JP of course. Aug 06 13:44:23 meh, the fact that they default to US kinda sucks for me Aug 06 13:44:30 i can update cleven's script, but i'm not sure about mobilehotspot Aug 06 13:44:34 US sucks for everyone. Aug 06 13:44:57 Especially if you are even a little bit brown. Aug 06 13:44:58 errrr wut? Aug 06 13:45:09 oh you Aug 06 13:45:12 a hw that doesn't go to chan14? Aug 06 13:45:24 DocScrutinizer05: N900 will not go to channel 14 Aug 06 13:45:33 FFS Aug 06 13:45:33 maybe the firmware more than the hw Aug 06 13:45:41 DocScrutinizer05: reswap.sh/ereswap only allow you to refresh the swap by disabling/enabling the same partition Aug 06 13:45:46 i want to move between two partitions Aug 06 13:45:55 because i can Aug 06 13:46:05 I bough a laptop in the US few years ago, and I think it has some hardcoded limitations in the wireless card which forced me to the US bands :( Aug 06 13:46:06 kerio: incorrect Aug 06 13:46:37 Corsac: Suck it down you communist. Aug 06 13:46:38 USA! Aug 06 13:46:40 USA! Aug 06 13:46:52 last I looked reswap.sh switched between two swap partitions Aug 06 13:47:35 DocScrutinizer05: no, it checks /root/reswap.stat to see if there's a need to reswap - if so, it enables mmc swap, disables sd swap, updates reswap.stat, enables sd swap, disables mmc swap Aug 06 13:47:41 everything else was nonsense anyway, as you can't simply swapoff without prior providing a spare swap Aug 06 13:48:03 kerio: exactly Aug 06 13:48:11 i want to check if i have to defragment the swap, write stats for mmcblk1p3, enable mmcblk1p3, disable mmcblk1p2 Aug 06 13:48:19 DocScrutinizer05: oh? why? Aug 06 13:48:30 and then, much later, check if i have to defragment mmcblk1p3, write stats for mmcblk1p2, enable mmcblk1p2, disable mmcblk1p3 Aug 06 13:48:45 Corsac: what wiill your processes do that use the swap? Aug 06 13:49:11 the kernel will move what it can to ram Aug 06 13:49:15 and OOM the rest :) Aug 06 13:49:18 DocScrutinizer05: i want to actually move between two partitions Aug 06 13:49:22 Corsac: oh you :) Aug 06 13:49:31 kerio: the nice part about shellscripts, you adapt it in 5 min Aug 06 13:49:52 the linux kernel is surely able to handle swapoff, though I'm not sure how it's handled on n900 Aug 06 13:50:00 DocScrutinizer05: yeah but i'm crap at writing shellscripts Aug 06 13:50:06 Corsac: it does exactly that Aug 06 13:50:12 Corsac: that's what I meant though Aug 06 13:50:13 but OOM killing stuff is... less than ideal Aug 06 13:50:23 ohh.. Aug 06 13:51:39 DocScrutinizer05: it would be a lot more fragile, sadly :c Aug 06 13:51:56 Corsac: btw the behaviour of swapoff is undefined (as in specs) regarding that, either it never comes back until all swapped out of the swap partition, or it simply fails when it can't free the swap. And OOM isn't really any part of that manpage either Aug 06 13:52:57 OR swapoff comes back immediately no matter if swap got freed and unlinked or not Aug 06 13:53:56 can tac reverse a file inplace? Aug 06 13:54:27 kerio: is jodl a truple? Aug 06 13:54:46 alfred jodl? Aug 06 13:55:07 kerio: I don't think cat can, so I wouldn't bet on tac Aug 06 13:55:18 up to you - while I try figuring out what's tac Aug 06 13:55:26 tac is the reverse of cat :) Aug 06 13:55:27 DocScrutinizer05: like cat, but in reverse Aug 06 13:55:27 :D Aug 06 13:55:39 part of gnu coreutils Aug 06 13:56:36 kerio: so your question is mere nonsense, since not a single filter is meant to work on own input, in unix Aug 06 13:56:48 hm Aug 06 13:56:51 k :c Aug 06 13:57:14 wut? Aug 06 13:57:38 kerio: not that if you have moreutils you can use sponge Aug 06 13:58:43 tail -n10 foo >foo Aug 06 13:58:55 that just kills foo, right? Aug 06 13:59:00 will NOT give you last 10 lines of foo Aug 06 13:59:07 because sh will open it before tail is even started Aug 06 13:59:13 yep Aug 06 13:59:39 for sed you have special parameter -i for that Aug 06 14:03:06 wonder what tail -f foo >> foo would do... Aug 06 14:04:37 i'm feeling stupid now - "if grep -q mmcblk1 /proc/swaps" will enter the "then" block if there's *no* mmcblk1 in /proc/swaps, right? Aug 06 14:05:12 BCMM: obviously explode your fs Aug 06 14:05:20 no, i *am* stupid Aug 06 14:05:35 yes, that would make sense Aug 06 14:05:35 nevermind Aug 06 14:06:54 hi ppl! my n900 reboots unexpectedly every time i open back cover. how to investigate this? Aug 06 14:07:23 dump_01: are you doing something with the sd? Aug 06 14:07:34 i mean, have you installed something important there? Aug 06 14:07:38 you've put some important file/partition on the uSD Aug 06 14:08:06 probably swap ;-P Aug 06 14:08:10 kerio: yep, it's not standart formated Aug 06 14:08:18 dump_01: is your swap there? Aug 06 14:08:29 yeah, swap is on sd Aug 06 14:08:43 so, what was your question? XD Aug 06 14:08:59 thanx, now i know the source :) Aug 06 14:09:13 sth like "why does my PC reboot when I unplug the HDD?" ? Aug 06 14:09:20 lol Aug 06 14:09:31 dump_01: removing the backcover actually cuts data coming from/to the uSD Aug 06 14:09:35 which is fucking stupid Aug 06 14:09:43 but hey, stupid users can't be expected to learn what "unmount" is Aug 06 14:10:14 kerio: is there a way to prevent it? or it is hardware based Aug 06 14:10:25 hardware based, i think Aug 06 14:10:36 yeah, stupid Nokia, they could have built a electric lock to the backcover ;-P Aug 06 14:10:37 some silly people glue a tiny magnet on the sensor Aug 06 14:11:06 DocScrutinizer05: do you think the backcover sensor can be tricked in a software way? Aug 06 14:11:18 low level mmc driver built-in property Aug 06 14:11:48 kerio: thats nice. where is that stupid sensor? Aug 06 14:11:49 hrmpf, does iostat use MB or MiB? i can't figure it out Aug 06 14:12:13 dump_01: check the actual backcover, there's a tiny magnet there Aug 06 14:12:17 so answer is "of course, when you rebuild the mmc kernel module" Aug 06 14:12:17 or look on TMO Aug 06 14:12:21 low level mmc driver built-in property Aug 06 14:12:23 DocScrutinizer05: oh Aug 06 14:12:27 yeah, stupid Nokia, they could have built a electric lock to the backcover ;-P Aug 06 14:12:38 neat, why hasn't anyone changed that yet? Aug 06 14:13:11 because it's actually a semi-sane thing Aug 06 14:13:43 ask pali to get a parameter for KP Aug 06 14:14:48 probably in mmc_core.ko Aug 06 14:15:34 also mcheck out ke-recv-test Aug 06 14:16:16 hm Aug 06 14:16:46 it's probably not exactly trivial to neuter in a sane way Aug 06 14:17:03 too many subsystems involved Aug 06 14:18:11 of course you can try some hackery around /sys/class/GPIO Aug 06 14:19:14 redefine the pin that connects to the hall-sensor/reed-switch to be OUT, then set to the level that meets your needs Aug 06 14:19:44 might fail due to "GPIO occupied" or sth Aug 06 14:19:51 dunno Aug 06 14:20:48 if you can come up with a nice solution like that, I suggest appname "virtual magnet" Aug 06 14:25:18 the very first 4 syslog lines relevant: Aug 06 14:25:22 Aug 6 16:33:42 t900 kernel: [ 8729.865753] mmc0: cover is open, card is now inaccessible Aug 06 14:25:23 Aug 6 16:33:43 t900 ke_recv[1316]: prop_modified:1889: udi /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/platform_mmci_omap_hs_0_mmc_host modified button.state.value Aug 06 14:25:25 Aug 6 16:33:43 t900 kernel: [ 8730.176025] mmc0: card e624 removed Aug 06 14:25:27 Aug 6 16:33:43 t900 ke_recv[1316]: event_in_cover_closed:1209: E_OPENED for ext-MMC Aug 06 14:27:09 so not even on kernel level it's handled like a normal "switch" Aug 06 14:27:51 which makes /sys/class/GPIO approach questionable Aug 06 14:28:44 * DocScrutinizer05 notices t900 sysclock is way too fast Aug 06 14:29:20 t900:~# uptime Aug 06 14:29:21 16:38:44 up 128 days, 17:34, load average: 0.06, 0.09, 0.03 Aug 06 14:29:52 10 min ahead in 128 days (given I set the clock correctly when I booted last time) Aug 06 14:30:00 yay, i have a "doubleswap" script now Aug 06 14:30:17 oh my god, double swap all the way Aug 06 14:30:47 :D Aug 06 14:34:41 Meanwhile: NASA's Official Mars Landing Video Got Taken Off YouTube Over Bogus Copyright Claims Aug 06 14:35:17 RST38h: link? Aug 06 14:36:45 if anyone is interested: https://pastee.org/ury4n Aug 06 14:37:01 YAY, card_detect is a line of mmc-interface Aug 06 14:37:34 they made smooth touchdown, RST38h? Aug 06 14:38:34 i wonder if it's worth publishing somewhere Aug 06 14:38:35 probably not Aug 06 14:38:48 kerio: card_detect is GPIO160 Aug 06 14:39:28 kerio: gpio160 already there in /sys/class/gpio/ Aug 06 14:40:22 kerio: you might try to do what I toldya, redefine gpio as OUT, set level to the one of "backcover closed" Aug 06 14:41:10 Doc: Yeah, watched it last night Aug 06 14:41:13 kerio: beware! I'm not taking responsibility of ANY hw damage resulting from that Aug 06 14:41:26 RST38h: nice Aug 06 14:41:34 Doc: The people in the control center went bonkers over this Aug 06 14:41:46 I guess as much Aug 06 14:42:02 7 minutes of terror were enough of suspense for them Aug 06 14:43:03 now we got a Mitsubishi on Mars, nice Aug 06 14:43:08 The video take-down is an example of why the balance is tipped too far in favor of the content producers. Aug 06 14:43:47 The whole automated content removal BS is the problem Aug 06 14:43:47 I hope nasa.gov will have the video still Aug 06 14:44:03 aparently it got put back up Aug 06 14:44:09 ooh Aug 06 14:44:36 once NASA complained Aug 06 14:45:58 * DocScrutinizer05 goes youtubing (is that the right word analog to "googling"?) Aug 06 14:46:09 DocScrutinizer05: I wonder if they made there mars lander with imperial parts? Aug 06 14:46:10 it was never removed from NASA.gov nor would it be Aug 06 14:46:23 ^their Aug 06 14:46:54 If so, it will be a bitch to get spare parts. Aug 06 14:47:27 vi_: ooh, mars gasstations only have imperial parts Aug 06 14:49:03 Satellite's gone way up to Mars Aug 06 14:49:04 Soon it will be filled with parking cars Aug 06 14:49:36 Did the Americans make their part of the ISS with imperial parts? Aug 06 14:49:42 s/parking/broken/ Aug 06 14:49:55 dafq infobot!! Aug 06 14:50:32 wow, it is. Aug 06 14:50:35 Fucking retards. Aug 06 14:51:38 but yeah YouTube should never have bowed down to the content producers and introduced the automatic content blocking, they should have stuck to the letter of the law and manually removed things only when asked to by the copyright holder, i.e. a human being having to review every removal request before the content is removed Aug 06 15:04:41 jonwil: I guess they pondered that, but found they could neither find nor pay that number of staff they'd need for accomplishing this task Aug 06 15:06:47 * DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders if they (NASA) took the opportunity to observe seismic event of SkyCrane inpact on Mars surface Aug 06 15:08:01 it would depend if they had a seismograph handy to take the measurements Aug 06 15:08:39 curiosity might have one on board, possibly even just g-meters in the wheels Aug 06 15:09:58 quite possible Aug 06 15:10:38 if there is (or was) life on mars, I bet the NASA guys will do whatever it takes to find it Aug 06 15:12:11 * DocScrutinizer05 ponders asking NASA/ESA if there's maybe a vacancy for Senior Negatron Aug 06 15:15:29 Still nothing yet on fixing my N900 (the damage is only minor, I need a new "A Cover Assy" and a new "A Cover Framing" Aug 06 15:15:48 Place that quoted and told me they could fix it said today they are having trouble sourcing the frame parts Aug 06 15:16:07 :-/ Aug 06 15:16:09 but that they had some more leads to try Aug 06 15:16:28 Google finds plenty of sites listing the exact parts for sale Aug 06 15:16:37 but there is the question of whether those parts are legit or fake Aug 06 15:16:44 yep, prolly they looked in the outback for it Aug 06 15:16:56 especially when they are being sold for as low as 5E Aug 06 15:17:35 anyone selling a part like that for such a low price is automatically suspicious Aug 06 15:17:56 especially if they also have LCD assemblies for about 30E Aug 06 15:18:11 or back covers for 10E Aug 06 15:18:11 well, I bought quite definitely original bare PCB for ~7EUR Aug 06 15:18:25 hmmm maybe they arent dodgy Aug 06 15:18:38 I will wait the 10 days the guy told me to wait Aug 06 15:18:44 then go back in and see what they say Aug 06 15:18:55 :nod: Aug 06 15:18:57 worst that happens is I will get my deposit back Aug 06 15:19:55 always think "would it look like a business model to fake those parts?" Aug 06 15:20:16 Yeah I bet there is little money in faking N900 front bezels Aug 06 15:20:26 now iPhone front bezels on the other hand would be worth faking Aug 06 15:20:33 for a friggin plastic frame @ 5$ it probably would Aug 06 15:21:18 same for front bezel which probably costs like 2ct production in China, and sales are possibly high enough Aug 06 15:22:16 for LCD the calculation is way more difficult, as you have to find existing cheap parts you could rework Aug 06 15:22:43 no use in building all new fake LCD Aug 06 15:22:53 or is there? Aug 06 15:22:57 dunno Aug 06 15:23:57 in China they can do things in a economically sensible way you never even would think about they could be done at all Aug 06 15:26:08 hmmm yeah Aug 06 15:26:15 If these guys cant find the parts it might be worth looking into finding someone with totally broken N900 (e.g. broken USB port, broken screen, whatever) and buying one to salvage the bezel parts from Aug 06 15:26:17 they might mill the front bezel from massive steel blocks second mined from e.g. tanks, by hand Aug 06 15:26:36 in China Aug 06 15:27:30 sell @ 5EUR and still make a bargain from it Aug 06 15:28:03 I have no idea what the going rate on broken N900s is these days Aug 06 15:28:20 working used ones are ~100EUR Aug 06 15:28:55 I bet the going rate for one with a broken USB or a broken screen would be much lower then Aug 06 15:28:56 so no way you pay more than 50 bucks for a defect one Aug 06 15:29:59 there are always fools selling parts of broken used ones for way more than the whole broken device is worth, and also they find buying fools. Aug 06 15:30:10 but that's normal for all spare part market Aug 06 15:30:29 lots of people on ebay selling new screens and touchpanels Aug 06 15:30:31 i am trying to run mtkbabel, but it needs libdevice-serialport-perl. unfortunately i have problems with the sdk and perl. does someone have this package? Aug 06 15:31:09 get a defect Mercedes 500 for 4k, sell engine for 2k, seats for 500 each, and the rest for 3k ;-P Aug 06 15:32:36 that's what people do Aug 06 15:33:15 or remove outer mirrors and sell for 250 each, then the glass windows for 100 each, the doors for 500 each, the motor lid and storage lid for 300 Aug 06 15:33:38 and still sell the rest for 2.5k Aug 06 15:35:07 Azog: sorry, all gibberish to me Aug 06 15:35:28 Azog: only known word: perl Aug 06 15:43:56 maybe http://paste.debian.net/182407 explains it a bit better Aug 06 16:36:41 ok, i changed the name of my script to swapswap Aug 06 16:36:49 and now it has a -f switch Aug 06 16:40:55 is someone interested? Aug 06 16:59:17 kerio: does what? Aug 06 16:59:28 (sorry I'm late) Aug 06 17:00:00 StyXman: "toggles" between two swap partitions when it has to Aug 06 17:00:35 like reswap/ereswap, but it moves stuff just once, each time Aug 06 17:00:48 i'm using two 4gb partitions on the sd Aug 06 17:02:05 nice Aug 06 17:02:25 I say put it up with an explanation to what it does in t.m.o Aug 06 17:02:36 maybe in the ereswap thread Aug 06 17:02:43 someone was asking for something like this Aug 06 17:03:02 ... and point me to it 'cause I'm not a t.m.o reader :-P Aug 06 17:03:42 ShadowJK_: kerio: just in case you're interested: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/jrbme/bme_chargefloat2_log Aug 06 17:04:53 kerio: WAIT WUT? 4GB swap? Aug 06 17:04:58 insane Aug 06 17:05:12 haters gonna hate Aug 06 17:05:33 gonna hate the 15min your reswap process will take Aug 06 17:05:52 during which device is unresponsive basically Aug 06 17:06:41 lolnope Aug 06 17:06:43 actually the 768k original swap are rather to the upper end Aug 06 17:07:00 768k? ;) enough for everyone? Aug 06 17:07:07 why would it need to read the whole 4gb? Aug 06 17:07:10 since device can't really handle it when they got used Aug 06 17:07:23 it just needs to read the used space Aug 06 17:07:52 i made them 4gb so i don't need to reswap too often Aug 06 17:07:57 and i can afford it Aug 06 17:08:13 23gb vfat, 4gb swap, 4gb swap Aug 06 17:08:27 used space = max swapsize (with gaps), otherwise criterion for fragmentation and thus reswap not kicking in Aug 06 17:08:49 yeah but you don't need to swapoff the gaps :) Aug 06 17:09:19 but you (the kernel) needs to read the chunks containing the used fragments anyway Aug 06 17:09:54 so? Aug 06 17:10:04 it would do that regardless of the swap size Aug 06 17:10:05 and swap meta data (tables) grow proportional to real max swapsize Aug 06 17:11:07 meh Aug 06 17:11:13 kerio: you don't get it, eh? kernel needs to read 4GB anyway when you swapoff a 4GB swap, no matter how many bytes >0 out of each page got used Aug 06 17:11:20 ...wat Aug 06 17:11:23 why? Aug 06 17:11:44 because that's how flash works Aug 06 17:11:57 it's a uSD Aug 06 17:12:07 it's a perfect block device Aug 06 17:12:15 what it does internally is none of my business Aug 06 17:12:24 i have good random reads and good random writes Aug 06 17:12:45 well, it has Aug 06 17:13:24 besides, this is all assuming i make it to 4gb of written swap without rebooting Aug 06 17:13:26 :) Aug 06 17:14:22 and you have 5 times as many fragments to read as on a 768k swap. And temporarily 10 times as much metadata (tables) in RAM Aug 06 17:17:28 and i have like a week before i have to reswap Aug 06 17:17:55 so what's the practical use of all this then? Aug 06 17:17:57 besides, idk what to do with all this space :D Aug 06 17:18:04 a week is a lot Aug 06 17:18:15 fill RAM with swap allocation tables? Aug 06 17:18:30 ok, give me a size then Aug 06 17:18:47 2 * 512k Aug 06 17:19:27 DocScrutinizer05: you mean m, not k, no? Aug 06 17:19:36 since, as already mentioned, the 768k probably were over the top already, to do what you did: reduce fragmentation by increasing swapsize Aug 06 17:19:44 M, yeah Aug 06 17:19:55 sorry Aug 06 17:20:16 with 512M i'd have to defragment the swap *a lot* Aug 06 17:20:21 i mean, often Aug 06 17:20:40 that's what your defrag script is all about, no? Aug 06 17:21:05 if it's fast, it's also painless Aug 06 17:21:15 it will be fast on 512M Aug 06 17:21:23 it's fast now too Aug 06 17:21:55 only because you haven't really *used* any significant part of your insane 4GB Aug 06 17:22:51 hm :( Aug 06 17:22:52 once you got a fragmented 4GB swap, reswap will take ages. That's what I try to tell you since... 30min? Aug 06 17:23:22 i just don't get why Aug 06 17:23:33 also for each GB of swap, you need like maybe 1MB of RAM borne metadata in swaptables etc Aug 06 17:23:51 if i have 50mb of used swap, why can't i swapoff it by reading 50mb? Aug 06 17:24:39 if your swap is fragmented, you have chunks of data scattered all over the place of your whole 4GB Aug 06 17:25:02 no more nice sequential reads Aug 06 17:25:07 so it's a matter of random reads Aug 06 17:25:17 that's why fragmentation is evil, first place Aug 06 17:25:20 joke's on you, my usd sucks at sequential reads Aug 06 17:25:27 uSD Aug 06 17:25:52 I bet it sucks more on randon reads Aug 06 17:26:16 only because there's no ram uSD! Aug 06 17:26:21 also mere OS IO calls explode Aug 06 17:27:05 mind you, swap can't really get cached Aug 06 17:27:27 oh really Aug 06 17:27:46 since that's using RAM the swap is meant to *free*, not use for buffers/cache Aug 06 17:28:04 yeah, i figured :) Aug 06 17:28:22 but... i like my 4gb of swap :( Aug 06 17:28:38 so each of your zillion 256byte chunks to read from fragmented swap is an own IO op Aug 06 17:28:59 (well maybe 4k chunks) Aug 06 17:29:17 dunno what's swap pagesize Aug 06 17:29:55 for a system with 256MB RAM it's for sure not 512k pages Aug 06 17:30:49 so your advice is to use 512M partitions? Aug 06 17:30:53 yep Aug 06 17:30:56 meh, can do Aug 06 17:34:27 but this µSD is huge! what am i supposed to do with the rest of it? Aug 06 17:34:42 give it to the poor Aug 06 17:34:52 i need more music Aug 06 17:34:58 or get some decent p0rn Aug 06 17:35:05 but... there's the internet... Aug 06 17:35:12 hm, good point, there could be no coverage Aug 06 17:35:44 I use mine as player for DrHouse avi, to my TV Aug 06 17:35:51 when is /tmp mounted? Aug 06 17:36:01 during boot Aug 06 17:36:07 before or after the swapon in rcS-late? Aug 06 17:36:12 nfc Aug 06 17:36:13 it's all "boot", technically Aug 06 17:37:03 quite probably after Aug 06 17:37:09 hm, it refers to /tmp before Aug 06 17:37:16 but i don't know if it's *the* tmp Aug 06 17:37:17 swapon should be rather early Aug 06 17:37:50 tmp/ isn't supposed to change during a system uptime Aug 06 17:38:05 there might already be processes having pipes and whatnot there Aug 06 17:38:30 DocScrutinizer05: /tmp/ is mounted as a tmpfs right after proc and sysfs, in preinit Aug 06 17:38:40 :nod: Aug 06 17:39:01 since a lot of stuff, also during boot, needs it Aug 06 17:39:21 hm, i wonder if /tmp/reswap.stat is a good location Aug 06 17:39:31 oh well, it's good enough Aug 06 17:39:39 check FHS if curious (not that Nokia ever even heard of that) Aug 06 17:40:00 sounds absolutely sane to me Aug 06 17:42:52 is "test -e /tmp/reswap.stat || echo 0 > /tmp/reswap.stat" idiomatic? Aug 06 17:47:06 looks like Aug 06 17:49:27 DocScrutinizer05: by 512M you mean 512MiB right? Aug 06 17:50:13 whatever you like Aug 06 17:50:31 MB MiB MaB MuB Aug 06 17:54:35 hm, concurrent sd+emmc access is still slow as fuck Aug 06 17:54:56 (using emmc swap) Aug 06 18:25:14 echo 8192 > /sys/block/mmc*/queue/nr_requests Aug 06 19:12:42 ShadowJK_: why isn't that the default? Aug 06 19:12:59 bad effects for leaving it like that all the time? Aug 06 19:45:30 DocScrutinizer: infobot joined! Aug 06 20:36:57 hey guys, why is the new kp51 wifi injection driver installed to /opt instead of /lib/modules? Aug 06 20:55:54 jon_y, injection was never in /lib/modules Aug 06 20:56:26 it's being kept out of inline kernel-power build because of power-saving mode issues Aug 06 20:58:44 Hurrian: ok Aug 06 20:59:19 I was just wondering if it made advanced interface switcher not able to switch to the injection drivers over the stock drivers Aug 06 20:59:45 AIS just needs to be updated for the new path Aug 06 20:59:58 or a symlink? Aug 06 21:00:10 ok, it's that simple then Aug 06 21:00:48 you're going to be symlinking from home to mydocs. Aug 06 21:01:21 what? no, I thought just the /opt/... parts Aug 06 21:02:10 AIS looks for drivers in mydocs Aug 06 21:02:17 just copy them over if you can't wait Aug 06 21:02:43 oh Aug 06 21:03:06 /mydocs/*.ko? Aug 06 21:21:26 Does anyone know a reliable place to get n900 digitizers? Aug 06 21:21:49 I bought two and both don't work, they actually seem to miss one or two components compare to the original (albeit broken) one Aug 06 21:22:57 digitizers? Aug 06 21:24:00 pretty much the last thing you remove Aug 06 21:24:54 the digitiser assembly is the one you touch everyday. Aug 06 21:27:36 Wizzup_ You may want to check the TMO forums. I believe someone posted a link to a reputable site there a while back. Aug 06 21:27:58 Not sure if it's still valid, but worth a power-search if you haven't tried it already. ;) Aug 06 21:28:10 It's for a 2nd n900 I got from someone, but this'll be the seventh time I have to completely disassemble it Aug 06 21:28:18 ok,ty Aug 06 21:28:28 I also found something on a dutch market place for 25 euro Aug 06 23:33:59 Wizzup_: after 7th disassembly you should consider getting new screws ;-D In service manual they are marked "dispose and get new ones" Aug 06 23:34:42 Wizzup_: you checked if the "missing" parts maybe could get re-used from your old digitizer? Aug 06 23:46:29 Yeah @ screws. I pretty much messed this n900 up though, two screws are too far in making the slide painful for the screen (and those are the two screws I cannot get out easily) Aug 06 23:46:47 When I got this n900 it was already broken, so it's not that much of a problem Aug 07 00:07:50 how do you enable wireshark to capture in n900? Aug 07 00:13:47 is libcap in the repo Aug 07 00:15:45 libPcap Aug 07 00:18:00 http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/free/libp/libpcap/ Aug 07 00:54:51 than r00t|home Aug 07 00:54:56 thanks r00t|home Aug 07 01:24:38 hello **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Aug 07 02:59:58 2012