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Aug 09 06:52:34 <kerio> Kilroo: why do you need uboot, btw?
Aug 09 08:00:57 <vi_> Did you see the German discuss gold medal winner?
Aug 09 08:01:33 <vi_> All ripping his shirt offf like the hulk then partying so hard he lost his ID and had to sleep on the ground outside the olympic accomodation.
Aug 09 08:01:35 <vi_> YEAH
Aug 09 08:01:40 <vi_> germans know how to party!
Aug 09 08:36:57 <Shapeshifter> Hi. I just started using my spare N900 and I wanted to solder down the USB port more properly to prevent it from being ripped out. I had already done this to my first N900 and it worked very well. However, this time I did a very poor job (using a different solder and soldering iron) and the solder just wouldn't stick. In turn, the sides of the port is now covered in flux and it's even harder to make this work. I got frustrated, gave ...
Aug 09 08:37:03 <Shapeshifter> ... up, and reassembled it but I would definitely like to try again. But first, I need to clean out all that flux from around and within the port. Any ideas how to do that?
Aug 09 08:37:06 <Shapeshifter> DocScrutinizer05: you might have an idea, I'm sure ^
Aug 09 08:38:55 <Shapeshifter> i.e. is it okay to dip the usb end into alcohol or should I only be using a brush dipped in alcohol or some other fluid?
Aug 09 09:01:44 <vi_> Shapeshifter: flux will not do anything any harm.
Aug 09 09:02:03 <vi_> Also, if it is covered in flux, how the F did it not 'stick'?
Aug 09 09:03:11 <Shapeshifter> vi_: I don't know :( Maybe the iron is too cold or something, it's a cheap shit piece.
Aug 09 09:03:41 <Shapeshifter> I should get a chisel type head instead of the pointed one.
Aug 09 09:04:21 <Shapeshifter> vi_: I should say that I didn't use any extra flux, just the one contained in the solder
Aug 09 09:37:02 <theheadofabroom> Shapeshifter: did you heat the solder or the pin?
Aug 09 09:37:37 <Shapeshifter> theheadofabroom: I tried heating the USB connector and the PCB (I had scraped off some of the gree coating to reveal the copper base)
Aug 09 09:37:41 <theheadofabroom> if you try to stick solder to a cold pin it won't work - you probably already knew that seeing as it's soldering 101
Aug 09 09:37:52 <theheadofabroom> ok
Aug 09 09:41:00 <theheadofabroom> odd then - could be either you didn't heat it enough, or your solder might be shitty - I've had pretty bad luck with lead-free solder compounds
Aug 09 09:41:15 <Shapeshifter> I think I need a chisel shaped tip, else I can't heat the parts properly.
Aug 09 09:41:40 <Shapeshifter> Any the iron is probably shit. I think it's 15W or something like that.
Aug 09 09:42:19 <theheadofabroom> surely that should just mean it's slower, rather than doesn't get as hot?
Aug 09 09:42:31 <theheadofabroom> not sure - not used anything under 20W
Aug 09 09:49:46 <Shapeshifter> But how do I remove the old flux? I think I can't apply new solder with that much flux being present. Some of it kinda seeped into the connector and now the usb plug is even harder to remove. I'd like to remove all the residue before and after I try again...
Aug 09 10:12:59 <Hurrian> Shapeshifter, you've got yourself into quite the situation
Aug 09 10:13:19 <Hurrian> the part's available online though, if you want to try with a different connector
Aug 09 10:13:38 <Shapeshifter> Hurrian: the USB connector is completely fine, I'm just doing this to prevent future damage.
Aug 09 10:13:57 <Shapeshifter> Hurrian: I just need to get rid of the excess flux and try again with a chisel tip.
Aug 09 10:14:10 <Hurrian> use a sucker after heating it up?
Aug 09 10:15:09 <Shapeshifter> Hurrian: my question is, what kind of cleaning fluid I can use without damaging the board etc. and if I can just dip the usb connector into alcohol or whatever. Mhh, I don't really have a sucker.
Aug 09 10:15:43 <Hurrian> Acetone, not alcohol
Aug 09 10:16:03 <Hurrian> off the shelf alcohol probably contains water
Aug 09 10:19:21 <Shapeshifter> allright
Aug 09 10:28:33 <DocScrutinizer05> Shapeshifter: use Kontact-Chemie Platinenreiniger or some similar spraycan with flux cleanser
Aug 09 10:29:05 <DocScrutinizer05> also NEVER USe ACETONE
Aug 09 10:29:48 <Shapeshifter> DocScrutinizer05: okay thanks, I'll visit a shop that sells proper Platinenreiniger.
Aug 09 10:30:50 <DocScrutinizer05> acetone will definitely ruin stuff
Aug 09 10:31:45 <Shapeshifter> DocScrutinizer05: what kind of tip and solder would you recommend for this job?
Aug 09 10:31:48 <DocScrutinizer05> unless softened by other components in the fluid
Aug 09 10:32:22 <Shapeshifter> DocScrutinizer05: I mean soldering down the (intact) USB connector to make it more robust
Aug 09 10:33:02 <DocScrutinizer05> normal pb-sn solder, (eg, stannol) 40W solder iron, chisel tip
Aug 09 10:33:53 <DocScrutinizer05> first coat the USB with solder, then the pcb. Then connect both by heating up both and adding solder
Aug 09 10:33:55 <Shapeshifter> DocScrutinizer05: would a 15W iron work? ^^
Aug 09 10:34:00 <DocScrutinizer05> no way
Aug 09 10:35:30 <DocScrutinizer05> your results are typical for 15W
Aug 09 10:35:37 <Shapeshifter> DocScrutinizer05: Mh. Something like this is obviously cheap, but it's supposed to have 60W. Would you recommend against such a cheap product or doesn't it make a difference? http://www.ricardo.ch/kaufen/handwerk-und-garten/elektrowerkzeuge/loeten-und-schweissen/loetkolben-set-60w-60watt-mit-zugentlastung-loetzinn-loetpaste/v/an684473694/
Aug 09 10:35:37 <DocScrutinizer05> not hot enough
Aug 09 10:36:00 <Shapeshifter> DocScrutinizer05: After all, it's just a piece of metal that's supposed to get hot. Not sure what could go wrong with a cheap product (other than it failing sooner)
Aug 09 10:36:11 <DocScrutinizer05> in this particular case it doesn't make much of a difference
Aug 09 10:36:53 <Shapeshifter> DocScrutinizer05: mh, wait a minute. I just found the actual iron I've been using yesterday: http://www.ricardo.ch/kaufen/handwerk-und-garten/elektrowerkzeuge/loeten-und-schweissen/loetkolben-50w-einstellbar-von-200-450-c/v/an683073202/ It's actually 50W...
Aug 09 10:37:26 <DocScrutinizer05> however make damn sure you connect the solder iron metal case to one of the N900 GND with a lab-wire
Aug 09 10:37:44 <Shapeshifter> DocScrutinizer05: what do you mean by that?
Aug 09 10:37:57 <DocScrutinizer05> ground your N900
Aug 09 10:38:09 <Shapeshifter> DocScrutinizer05: while doing the soldering?
Aug 09 10:38:13 <DocScrutinizer05> and ground your iron
Aug 09 10:38:19 <DocScrutinizer05> yes
Aug 09 10:39:05 <Shapeshifter> DocScrutinizer05: why? If I ground the N900, that encourages electron flow, doesn't it? Isn't it better to not have a circuit between iron and ground?
Aug 09 10:39:05 <DocScrutinizer05> esp cheap irons will be prone to have capacitive sneaking current to the solder tip
Aug 09 10:39:36 <DocScrutinizer05> that's why I said "connect to solder iron"
Aug 09 10:40:14 <Shapeshifter> DocScrutinizer05: so I need to have a cable running from the n900 (where?) to the iron? 
Aug 09 10:41:44 <DocScrutinizer05> somewhere on N900 where you have definitive good ground. I'd suggest USB connector if it wasn't for... you know
Aug 09 10:42:19 <SpeedEvil> battery minus
Aug 09 10:42:28 <DocScrutinizer05> that's NOT GND!
Aug 09 10:42:34 <SpeedEvil> err
Aug 09 10:43:29 <SpeedEvil> I thought the context was grounding while soldering
Aug 09 10:43:33 <DocScrutinizer05> there's a 0.0x R shunt in between for bq27200 ;-)
Aug 09 10:43:51 <SpeedEvil> so the sense is quite irrelevant
Aug 09 10:44:20 <DocScrutinizer05> I'd prefer any of the obvious large gnd-planes
Aug 09 10:45:19 <DocScrutinizer05> maybe it's actually no bad idea to plug an USBplug into the receptacle, and use that for GND
Aug 09 10:45:43 <DocScrutinizer05> has other benefits as well, but also downsides
Aug 09 10:47:08 <SpeedEvil> never stress something when bouldering it. And plugging in a connector often stress is he can I lick your body quite a lot
Aug 09 10:47:12 <SpeedEvil> err
Aug 09 10:47:31 <SpeedEvil> never stress a connector while soldering.
Aug 09 10:48:01 <SpeedEvil> and plugging in a connector can stress the body quite a lot.
Aug 09 10:48:30 * SpeedEvil is playing with speech recognition.
Aug 09 10:49:00 <Shapeshifter> ha
Aug 09 10:49:24 <DocScrutinizer05> your speech recog is perverted it seems
Aug 09 10:49:32 <SpeedEvil> yes
Aug 09 10:49:33 <Shapeshifter> DocScrutinizer05: how hot should the iron ideally be?
Aug 09 10:49:42 <DocScrutinizer05> rather hot
Aug 09 10:50:04 <DocScrutinizer05> i'd rather go for the ~400
Aug 09 10:50:05 <Shapeshifter> DocScrutinizer05: maximum power (they claim the iron goes to 450 C although I doubt it)
Aug 09 10:50:06 <DocScrutinizer05> C
Aug 09 10:50:08 <Shapeshifter> okay
Aug 09 10:50:39 <SpeedEvil> I am depressed that the state of speech recognition is worse now than in 1995.
Aug 09 10:51:06 <DocScrutinizer05> no, you're mumbling more
Aug 09 10:51:16 <SpeedEvil> And then I was using a 300 megahertz processor
Aug 09 10:51:48 <SpeedEvil> I want dragon dictate n my phone.
Aug 09 10:51:56 <DocScrutinizer05> :nod:
Aug 09 10:52:52 * DocScrutinizer05 curses the fact he's short on milk for a proper coffee
Aug 09 10:54:10 <SpeedEvil> I keep 20l or so of high temp processed milk. works well.
Aug 09 10:59:19 <kerio> >proper coffee
Aug 09 10:59:20 <kerio> >milk
Aug 09 10:59:26 <kerio> wtfamireading.jpg
Aug 09 11:01:53 <SpeedEvil> my morning coffee. one cup of heat treated skimmed milk, coffee powder, microwave 90s
Aug 09 11:02:16 <kerio> >instant coffee
Aug 09 11:02:30 <kerio> you are making me cry ;_;
Aug 09 11:07:20 <DocScrutinizer05> SpeedEvil: hehe, exactly same here, just I prefer proper fresh milk. the diff in taste is massive
Aug 09 11:07:46 <SpeedEvil> it's lots better than it was.
Aug 09 11:08:06 <DocScrutinizer05> though, one diff: my microwave needs 180s for the ammount of milk I use
Aug 09 11:10:04 <DocScrutinizer05> oh, another diff: "skimmed" I rather try to avoid, since I'm counting my calories (and welcome each single one)
Aug 09 11:14:01 <SpeedEvil> opposite here. :-) 
Aug 09 11:14:01 <jon_y> DocScrutinizer05: microwaved milk??
Aug 09 11:14:07 <DocScrutinizer05> Shapeshifter: (solder) I seem to recall I had really good experience with the Sn60Pb39Ag1 type, though it's quite expensive
Aug 09 11:16:11 <DocScrutinizer05> Shapeshifter: anyway get really high qualtiy multicore flux electronic solder
Aug 09 11:18:01 <DocScrutinizer05> and even getting additional *electronic* flux might be a good idea
Aug 09 11:21:35 * DocScrutinizer05 finally takes a second approach to get another 2 bare PCB, to eventually do destructive investigation on where to drill holes next to USB to get this thing fixed the nuke safe way
Aug 09 11:24:34 <DocScrutinizer05> nah, on a second thought, this won't pan out
Aug 09 11:42:12 <Shapeshifter> DocScrutinizer05: I think soldering it down works well enough. At least it did when I did it on my first N900
Aug 09 11:42:42 <DocScrutinizer05> :nod:
Aug 09 12:26:47 <Shapeshifter> I also broke one of the two plastic threads where the small torx screws go into -.-
Aug 09 12:27:13 <Shapeshifter> the screw turns over. I might try this method if I'm feeling brave: http://www.ultimateamiga.co.uk/index.php?topic=4351.0
Aug 09 12:32:41 <kerio> :c
Aug 09 12:33:16 <DocScrutinizer05> Shapeshifter: well, this method might work, but is kinda overkill. I'd rather use hotglue which is elastic enough to allow removing excess stuff and drive thread into it. Use simple grease on screw for separator. Or even simpler: place part of a wooden match or toothpick into the hole of the platic thread
Aug 09 12:34:15 <DocScrutinizer05> usually though you use a srew with 20% larger diameter
Aug 09 12:43:21 <Shapeshifter> DocScrutinizer05: I might try hot glue. I wouldn't want to stick anything solid into the hole because I'd be afraid of cracking the plastic.
Aug 09 12:45:03 <DocScrutinizer05> Shapeshifter: try find a straw or wire isolation "tube" or similar, that fits into the hole nicely
Aug 09 12:46:13 <DocScrutinizer05> or really just a small slice of a match that fills in the missing plasic on one side. the screw will pish against it and cut new thread on other side of plastic
Aug 09 12:46:26 <DocScrutinizer05> s/pish/push/
Aug 09 12:46:27 <infobot> DocScrutinizer05 meant: or really just a small slice of a match that fills in the missing plasic on one side. the screw will push against it and cut new thread on other side of plastic
Aug 09 12:47:20 <DocScrutinizer05> it just works, you mustn't use too much or too little material though, just right amount so screw goes in nicely with a tiny bit of force
Aug 09 12:50:25 <DocScrutinizer05> wow, a spider yoyo coming down the ceiling right between my face and LCD screen of the laptop
Aug 09 12:51:11 <DocScrutinizer05> byebye lil spider
Aug 09 12:53:01 <DocScrutinizer05> though they eat mosquitos, I don't love spiders so much to allow them go between me and my PC ;-P Gave it a free flight right to the garden
Aug 09 12:54:58 <Shapeshifter> spiders are awesome little ninjas
Aug 09 13:03:32 <SpeedEvil> insects in between backlight and LCD are way more annoying.
Aug 09 13:03:46 <SpeedEvil> especially if they die in there.
Aug 09 13:09:13 <DocScrutinizer05> in German they are called "Gewittertierchen" nfc why. And it's a well known rather common problem it seems
Aug 09 13:11:21 <DocScrutinizer05> http://forum.chip.de/grafikkarten/gewittertiere-tft-555356.html
Aug 09 13:20:44 <DocScrutinizer05> http://forum.chip.de/grafikkarten/tft-fliege-tft-bildschirm-554665-page3.html#post3483825
Aug 09 13:22:51 <jaska> heh, ive had a spider come hack my monitor more than once, just move them away from dangerous areas :)
Aug 09 14:49:40 <RST38h> Digia To Acquire Qt From Nokia
Aug 09 15:27:07 <Shapeshifter> DocScrutinizer05: what was the name of that flux remover?
Aug 09 15:27:28 <Shapeshifter> DocScrutinizer05: and what's the name for flux and flucremover in german?
Aug 09 15:28:12 <Gh0sty> flux remover? 
Aug 09 15:28:30 <Gh0sty> there is a flux capacitor in the n900 allowing timetravel? :o
Aug 09 15:28:56 <Shapeshifter> nvm platinenreiniger
Aug 09 15:34:02 <Shapeshifter> DocScrutinizer05: yay, found the exact kontaktchemie platinenreiniger you mentioned at my shop
Aug 09 17:28:20 <DocScrutinizer05> Shapeshifter: Kontakt WL, or rather Kontakt PCC
Aug 09 17:35:45 <DocScrutinizer05> Shapeshifter: http://www.conrad.de/ce/de/product/828718/Edsyn-No-clean-Flussmittelstift-FL-88-Flussmittel-Typ-F-SW-34-Inhalt-10-ml/SHOP_AREA_17588&promotionareaSearchDetail=005
Aug 09 17:38:43 <DocScrutinizer05> Shapeshifter: http://www.conrad.de/ce/de/product/812870/Stannol-Elektronik-Loetdraht-Wickel-Gewicht-6-g-Durchmesser-10-mm-Legierung-Sn60Pb39Cu1/SHOP_AREA_17587&promotionareaSearchDetail=005
Aug 09 17:43:11 <DocScrutinizer05> hmm, Kontakt PCC http://www.crcind.com/csp/web/ProdDisp.csp?lng=4&idx=2093272&country=GE&product=KONTAKT%20PCC&brand=KOC&CSPCHD=0000000100003rdfkOqi000000Kz9DDbbRYURePBEwBViyqQ-- not available? Use Kontakt LR then
Aug 09 18:05:08 <kerio> hm, why did the maemo.org gpg key change?
Aug 09 18:29:19 <Shapeshifter> DocScrutinizer05: I have Kontakt LR
Aug 09 18:29:27 <Shapeshifter> DocScrutinizer05: and I just applied it. Works very well
Aug 09 18:29:43 <Shapeshifter> DocScrutinizer05: I actually went ahead and bought a more proper iron as well.
Aug 09 18:30:13 <Shapeshifter> DocScrutinizer05: It's probably no rolls royce but certainly better than the old one. It's a 48W fixpoint, german thingy.
Aug 09 18:32:18 <DocScrutinizer05> fine. Just use a really good electronics Sn60Pb39Cu1 multicore flux solderwire
Aug 09 18:32:51 <Shapeshifter> I have Vielstedter SN60PbCu2
Aug 09 18:33:57 <DocScrutinizer05> if it's proper multicore high quality flux, it's ok as well - don't use solderwire that "bleeds" out the flux, makes bubbles and stuff
Aug 09 18:37:20 <DocScrutinizer05> 48W seems just OK for this job, I'd guess
Aug 09 18:37:39 <Shapeshifter> wow this was easy
Aug 09 18:37:52 <Shapeshifter> I figure the other iron was simply way too cold
Aug 09 18:38:03 <DocScrutinizer05> the copper croundplane can consume quite a lot of heat until it reaches correct soldering temperature
Aug 09 18:38:06 <Shapeshifter> one side done
Aug 09 18:41:43 <DocScrutinizer05> the knowledge of professionals is mostly a knowledge about the right tools to use for the job ;-)
Aug 09 18:43:20 <DocScrutinizer05> a hobbyist with professional tools might come up with better results than a professional with hobbyist tools
Aug 09 18:43:32 <DocScrutinizer05> (depends on job)
Aug 09 18:44:56 <DocScrutinizer05> not even I could solder this USB with a 15W soldering iron (unless I use all my tricks at once ;-P and a lot of swearing)
Aug 09 18:45:20 <Shapeshifter> other side done. There's very little space on the other side. I should also get one of those solder suction things to remove wrongly placed solder
Aug 09 18:46:06 <DocScrutinizer05> indispensable tool, yes
Aug 09 18:46:31 <DocScrutinizer05> the cheaper ones are like <10EUR
Aug 09 18:49:12 <Shapeshifter> I even went by the book and tinned the iron before putting it away ;)
Aug 09 18:54:23 <freemangordon> ~seen zeq
Aug 09 18:54:32 <infobot> zeq <~s_j_newbu@178.110.126.62> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 5d 2h 20m 56s ago, saying: 'kerio: probably "kernel-feature-sigmask-syscalls" would be more accurate, but I'm open to suggestions.'.
Aug 09 18:54:46 <freemangordon> hmm
Aug 09 18:55:22 <Shapeshifter> By the way, is there anything new in maemoland? I haven't been following things since the N9 was released
Aug 09 18:59:19 <lartza_> Shapeshifter: finnish startup called Jolla has recruited a lot of the nokia staff and announced a new meego phone will be out very soon
Aug 09 19:00:30 <Shapeshifter> mhh, yeah I heard about that.
Aug 09 19:00:48 <Shapeshifter> so I guess there still is hope
Aug 09 19:00:58 <DocScrutinizer05> Shapeshifter: over at #maemo-ssu freemangordon and others do some awesome job to bring all new power to maemo, with enabling thumb, getting new better compilers and whatnot else
Aug 09 19:01:40 <Shapeshifter> DocScrutinizer05: so thumb2 really is something worth noting, unlike most of the other 'tuning' stuff?
Aug 09 19:02:19 <Shapeshifter> i.e. it's not just voodoo? I read the forum post, but there was no mention of benchmarks
Aug 09 19:02:26 <DocScrutinizer05> sounds like. I haven't tested it yet, but all reports say it's fast like hell, compared to stock stuff
Aug 09 19:02:26 <lartza_> also the "new" camera app of maemo-ssu can record smooth 720p video
Aug 09 19:02:43 <Shapeshifter> ohh
Aug 09 19:03:36 <DocScrutinizer05> ooh, and specially for you: cssu fixed alarmd recently
Aug 09 19:03:50 <freemangordon> Shapeshifter: it is, most of the times my n900 is faster than my n950, not to mention how fast is thumb2 compiled microb-engine
Aug 09 19:04:09 <Shapeshifter> DocScrutinizer05: there was a bug? I should update my package sometime. I think I'll give it a go this weekend.
Aug 09 19:04:25 <Shapeshifter> freemangordon: wow, sounds promising!
Aug 09 19:04:49 <DocScrutinizer05> I miss to recall the exact term, there was a identifier for transactions of alarmd, that was borked
Aug 09 19:05:00 <Shapeshifter> freemangordon: Have you been going by a different nick? I haven't seen you around when I still frequented the forums and irc.
Aug 09 19:05:10 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: cookie :)
Aug 09 19:05:24 <DocScrutinizer05> yep, thanks freemangordon
Aug 09 19:06:40 <freemangordon> Shapeshifter: no, I use this nick since 2010, though I am active on IRC for an yeah and a half or something
Aug 09 19:06:46 <Shapeshifter> freemangordon: ah
Aug 09 19:08:14 <Shapeshifter> freemangordon: don't you have to return the N950 sometime soon?
Aug 09 19:08:29 <DocScrutinizer05> Shapeshifter: we even got a CSSU Stable release now :-D
Aug 09 19:08:47 <Shapeshifter> DocScrutinizer05: yes, I saw it :) I got it on my 'new' n900.
Aug 09 19:08:56 <DocScrutinizer05> \o/
Aug 09 19:09:27 <kerio> ohai zeq 
Aug 09 19:09:35 <zeq> hi kerio
Aug 09 19:09:37 <kerio> freemangordon was looking for you
Aug 09 19:09:46 <zeq> freemangordon: pong?
Aug 09 19:09:57 <freemangordon> zeq: hi
Aug 09 19:10:01 <zeq> I was blocked by t-mobile
Aug 09 19:10:14 <kerio> Shapeshifter: but if you install testing you can install thumb too! 
Aug 09 19:10:29 <DocScrutinizer05> :-D
Aug 09 19:10:47 <Shapeshifter> kerio: I shall try it
Aug 09 19:10:53 <freemangordon> Shapeshifter: my n950 is a CA, and according to qgil I own it, it is not landed
Aug 09 19:10:56 <zeq> still on holiday, but must be a new month on my contract :)
Aug 09 19:11:05 <Shapeshifter> freemangordon: neat
Aug 09 19:11:08 <zeq> what have I missed?
Aug 09 19:11:30 <freemangordon> kerio: no need to have CSSU-testing to install thumb, read the damn thread on TMO at once :)
Aug 09 19:11:42 <freemangordon> zeq: NFC, I was away too :D
Aug 09 19:13:41 <zeq> freemangordon: I don't know if you read before I left, but I built h-d with fast-math, after changing the isnanf(), that and the libc6 has been running stable all week so far.
Aug 09 19:14:16 <Shapeshifter> forgot to refit the antenna again >.>
Aug 09 19:14:29 <DocScrutinizer05> LOL
Aug 09 19:14:49 <zeq> brb switching to wifi teather
Aug 09 19:15:36 <freemangordon> zeq: I missed that. But anyway, I am on holiday starting tomorrow, will be back in the middle of the next week
Aug 09 19:17:25 <kerio> freemangordon: isn't thumb based on testing, at least?
Aug 09 19:18:24 * Shapeshifter isn't used to the stand actually sticking to the shell. been used to it dangling about.
Aug 09 19:18:42 <Shapeshifter> and the slide mechanism is soo snappy ;)
Aug 09 19:18:58 <freemangordon> kerio: it is, but that is a different from " you have to have -testing installed"
Aug 09 19:19:13 <kerio> k
Aug 09 19:19:13 <Shapeshifter> and the keyboard is a blueish white! the old one is actually yellow
Aug 09 19:19:27 <freemangordon> kerio: enabling -thimb repo enables -testing too
Aug 09 19:19:28 <kerio> freemangordon: ...waaaait
Aug 09 19:19:31 <kerio> yeah
Aug 09 19:19:38 <kerio> i was going to say that :)
Aug 09 19:19:39 <Shapeshifter> mhh... and the new one remembers the time even when removing the battery...
Aug 09 19:19:40 <zeq> back
Aug 09 19:19:45 <Shapeshifter> that's odd.
Aug 09 19:19:50 <kerio> hehehe
Aug 09 19:19:56 <kerio> bupbat not failed yet?
Aug 09 19:20:00 <freemangordon> 22:13 <freemangordon> zeq: I missed that. But anyway, I am on holiday starting tomorrow, will be back in the middle of the next week
Aug 09 19:20:06 <kerio> (notice the "yet")
Aug 09 19:20:43 <zeq> freemangordon: ah ok.  I'll be back home at the weekend.
Aug 09 19:20:45 <freemangordon> Shapeshifter: you replaced the battery with a new one or with a capacitor?
Aug 09 19:21:15 <Shapeshifter> freemangordon: no I removed the battery to solder down the usb port and upon refitting the battery and turning it on, I'm not greeted by the tutorial anymore
Aug 09 19:21:23 <Shapeshifter> freemangordon: my old n900 would always need me to set the date and time
Aug 09 19:21:38 <freemangordon> aah, ok 
Aug 09 19:21:40 <zeq> Shapeshifter: you're lucky then :)
Aug 09 19:22:22 <freemangordon> does anyone ever replaced the clock battery with a capacitor?
Aug 09 19:22:53 <freemangordon> s/does/has/
Aug 09 19:22:53 <infobot> freemangordon meant: has anyone ever replaced the clock battery with a capacitor?
Aug 09 19:25:24 <MrPingu> quick question what's the difference between cssu3 and kp51r1? Couldn't find a changelog for cssu3
Aug 09 19:26:54 <kerio> you mean kernel-cssu (from cssu-thumb) and kernel-power?
Aug 09 19:26:58 <freemangordon> zeq: BTW fennec is missing volume keys zoom control
Aug 09 19:27:13 <zeq> what happened to it?
Aug 09 19:27:31 <zeq> going to check my git repo
Aug 09 19:27:46 <freemangordon> NFC, seems the patch is not commited, or is lost during rebase
Aug 09 19:28:02 <kerio> yay git
Aug 09 19:28:34 <zeq> freemangordon: I'll take a look
Aug 09 19:28:45 <freemangordon> MrPingu: kernel-cssu3 is kp51r1, changelog is in .deb and on gitorious
Aug 09 19:28:45 <MrPingu> Yes I mean kernel-cssu and kp51r1 ;)
Aug 09 19:29:13 <zeq> afk
Aug 09 19:29:28 <MrPingu> freemangordon, thanks
Aug 09 19:30:10 <freemangordon> np :)
Aug 09 19:32:04 <MrPingu> FAM/HAM didn't display changelog for cssu3 ;) 
Aug 09 19:32:18 <kerio> apt ftw
Aug 09 19:33:41 <freemangordon> MrPingu: http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/kernel-cssu/blobs/history/master/kernel-cssu-2.6.28/debian/changelog
Aug 09 19:42:21 <freemangordon> zeq: did you get your devel n900?
Aug 09 19:43:39 <MrPingu> Woohoo finally got my money returned for my fake digitizer
Aug 09 19:44:32 <MrPingu> + shipping costs. Took 2 months and alot of complaining but I got in the end :)
Aug 09 19:46:15 <zeq> freemangordon: should be getting it next week, I asked vi to hold-off until I got back.
Aug 09 19:46:55 <zeq> freemangordon: any other patch missing?
Aug 09 19:47:38 <zeq> I have them all saved separately
Aug 09 19:48:44 <freemangordon> zeq: I think no, though I didn't check the source for "non-compositing" stuff
Aug 09 19:49:17 <zeq> have you pushed anything?
Aug 09 19:49:22 <freemangordon> no :)
Aug 09 19:49:34 <zeq> saves me from pulling :)
Aug 09 19:50:56 <zeq> freemangordon: shall I rebase while I'm at it?
Aug 09 19:50:58 <freemangordon> zeq: when we are back, we should pester romaxa re those patches, I don't see any development on the bugtracker
Aug 09 19:51:06 <freemangordon> zeq: why not
Aug 09 19:52:06 <freemangordon> zeq: and we MUST find a way to reduce the memory usage, though I cannot find a way how to do it :(
Aug 09 19:52:29 <freemangordon> romaxa is the one to help, again :D
Aug 09 19:52:34 <zeq> yeah
Aug 09 19:52:43 <zeq> did you ask on #mobile?
Aug 09 19:53:14 <freemangordon> zeq: no, I was not active since doc managed to make me angry ;)
Aug 09 19:53:43 <zeq> oh, that's why you were away?
Aug 09 19:54:14 <Shapeshifter> Mhh, where can I set the desktop tile size for regular app launchers? On my old n900 they are slightly smaller but it doesn't seem to be theme related and I can't find such a parameter in transitions.ini either. I forgot how I did this...
Aug 09 19:55:40 <freemangordon> zeq: yeah :)
Aug 09 19:56:10 <freemangordon> Shapeshifter: iirc there was a patch in h-d for that, but it did not make it in CSSU as it was buggy
Aug 09 19:59:04 <Shapeshifter> freemangordon: mhh, I see. There's also a tool for resizing the icons but I don't actually need that. The icons are fine, but the background is just a bit too big.
Aug 09 20:00:16 <freemangordon> Shapeshifter: speaking of nicks.. what is yours @ TMO?
Aug 09 20:00:49 <Shapeshifter> freemangordon: shapeshifter 
Aug 09 20:02:13 <freemangordon> hmm, can't remember seeing that, it seems you're not active for more than 2 years. not that it matters, I was just wondering :)
Aug 09 20:02:17 <MrPingu> Your the guy of alarmed?
Aug 09 20:03:08 <Shapeshifter> freemangordon: yeah I'm kinda busy with other stuff
Aug 09 20:03:25 <Shapeshifter> MrPingu: yeah. I shall make an update this weekend to include some of the things people proposed
Aug 09 20:03:39 <freemangordon> https://bugs.maemo.org/10025
Aug 09 20:03:40 <povbot> 04Bug 10025: alarmd 1.1.13 does not correctly replace [COOKIE] in exec strings
Aug 09 20:04:03 <Shapeshifter> expired ssl cert btw ;)
Aug 09 20:04:23 <Shapeshifter> nice though that it has been fixed!
Aug 09 20:04:42 <freemangordon> http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/alarmd/commit/a58fc206198b8ecda3847db625eea93ab845b930
Aug 09 20:04:44 <freemangordon> :P
Aug 09 20:04:53 <Shapeshifter> what a huge diff
Aug 09 20:05:30 <freemangordon> yeah :D
Aug 09 20:06:38 <freemangordon> anyway, unfortunately I am off to work (real one, not in some bar :) ). night guys
Aug 09 20:06:55 <zeq> freemangordon: pushed
Aug 09 20:07:15 <freemangordon> zeq: thanks, will try it tomorrow
Aug 09 20:07:21 <zeq> freemangordon: have a good night
Aug 09 20:25:46 <Shapeshifter> -sh: wget: not found
Aug 09 20:25:56 <Shapeshifter> E: Package wget has no installation candidate
Aug 09 20:25:58 <Shapeshifter> >.>
Aug 09 20:30:59 <Shapeshifter> mhh, needed to add a repo.
Aug 09 22:08:48 <DocScrutinizer05> <infobot> freemangordon meant: has anyone ever replaced the clock battery with a capacitor?
Aug 09 22:08:51 <DocScrutinizer05> yes
Aug 09 22:22:51 <Kilroo> Was it a flux capacitor?
Aug 09 22:22:59 <Kilroo> Seems appropriate for a clock battery.
Aug 09 22:56:43 <RiD> e
Aug 09 22:57:52 <pronto> e
Aug 09 22:58:50 <RiD> lol... i typed it accidentally
Aug 09 23:00:13 <pronto> HOW DARE YOU
Aug 09 23:00:15 <pronto> <3
Aug 09 23:35:44 <Hurrian> It seems that tmo's being overrun by spammers at the moment.
Aug 10 00:02:29 <DocScrutinizer05> just that nobody here could actually do anything against that
Aug 10 00:02:43 <DocScrutinizer05> chem|st: or could you? ^^^
Aug 10 01:41:33 <DocScrutinizer05> Hurrian: still spamattack?
Aug 10 01:52:30 <LaoLang_cool> He is hacking nemo!
Aug 10 01:52:47 <LaoLang_cool> oh, nemo broken my sdcard!
Aug 10 01:58:26 <iluminator105> how do you reinstall maemo on n900 or go back factory settings
Aug 10 02:02:59 <nox-> ~flashing
Aug 10 02:03:00 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
Aug 10 02:59:44 <DocScrutinizer51> iluminator105: ^
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