**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Aug 10 02:59:59 2012 Aug 10 03:00:05 DocScrutinizer, yea Aug 10 03:00:45 i was thinking to just put meego on it, has anyone installed meego to harddrive how was it Aug 10 06:50:50 slow Aug 10 06:51:51 fast Aug 10 09:49:17 zeq: what about fixing your connection? Aug 10 09:49:36 yeah, I know :( Aug 10 09:50:17 I'm on t-mobile, I've no idea what's up with their network this morning. My signal is fine. Aug 10 13:11:33 Mh. I must have screwed up something. I just restarted my N900 and as soon as the desktop starts loading, hildon-desktop crashes. I think it's automatically respawned a few times and then nothing happens (i.e. all widgets are sitting on top of each other etc - no window management). I managed to open a terminal. starting hildon-desktop gives a Segmentation Fault. Aug 10 13:12:24 I reverted any changes that I did immediately prior to the restart (changing two gconf keys, one for kb layout, one for HAM update notifications) but they didn't make a difference. I suspect it must be caused by theme-customizer. How can I revert hildon-desktop to its old state? Aug 10 13:15:31 Shapeshifter: try with apt-get instal --reinstall hildon-desktop. Most probably your /usr/share/hildon-desktop/transitions.ini is screwed up Aug 10 13:15:46 you may check if there is some backup in the above directory Aug 10 13:31:49 freemangordon: thanks, you were right. having had the wrong kb layout I accidentally messed up transitions.ini while editing it in vim ;) Aug 10 13:33:29 freemangordon: aren't you supposed to be on holiday? giving support until the last minute? ^^ Aug 10 13:33:43 :D Aug 10 13:33:51 well, from tomorrow ;) Aug 10 13:34:22 it seems (M)HD terribly missing sanity checks for config Aug 10 13:36:30 maybe for a first bandaid we could move transitions.ini to transitions.ini-BAD and replace it with a default transitions.ini, when dsme respawn limit gets reached Aug 10 13:43:11 DocScrutinizer05: In general it would be nice if it was possible to boot into a recovery console like in any normal distro. I can't remember what it was that made this complicated. Aug 10 13:44:59 in CSSU I suggested (and it got accepted) to change dsme start of HD from "reboot after too many respawns" to "give up after too many respawns". So you (in theory) still should be able to open a terminal via kbd shortcut Aug 10 13:46:02 Shapeshifter: if you hadn't installed CSSU you probably would've ended with a bootloop needing a reflash ;-) Aug 10 13:47:30 Shapeshifter: anyway I think you should open a ticket against (M)HD, regarding "segfaults on 'illegal' chars in transitions.ini" Aug 10 13:47:48 this has to get fixed eventually Aug 10 13:48:18 sanity check for config data isn't optional or "nice to have", it's mandatory Aug 10 13:48:30 DocScrutinizer05, since Fremantle has ability to count number of failed respawn, there should be a "Safe Mode" for hildon, much like FMG has done for system-ui on harmattan Aug 10 13:48:44 probably keep a transitions.ini_safe file somewhere Aug 10 13:48:58 Hurrian: that's what I suggested above, yes Aug 10 13:49:37 though I'm not sure there's a counter for respawns available anywhere outside dsme Aug 10 13:50:55 ooh yes, there are the dsme fault statistics somewhere insane location in /*/lib/* or sth Aug 10 13:51:13 we could place an inotify watch on that Aug 10 13:51:18 I'm setting up a new n900, do I want cssu testing or cssu stable? I think my other phone has been on cssu testing for a long time Aug 10 13:51:26 and cssu stable doesn't seem to provide a lot at this point Aug 10 13:51:59 Wizzup_: cssu-s provides almost all that's in testing as well Aug 10 13:52:10 only most of the stuff defaults to disabled Aug 10 13:52:12 I see Aug 10 13:52:16 the changelog did not list that Aug 10 13:52:42 or rather, the page links were confusing Aug 10 13:52:45 I'll go for stable then Aug 10 13:53:02 I also think a new S release is overdue Aug 10 13:54:17 ask merlin1991or chem|st about details of Stable Aug 10 13:54:48 well the wiki linked to a page of changelogs for stable and testing, and stable page is pretty much empty where testing lists all the changes Aug 10 13:54:55 well stable does not have the camera-ui replacement, and is missing ke-recv and friends atm Aug 10 13:55:01 wut? Aug 10 13:55:15 merlin1991: yep, that's what I thought Aug 10 13:55:20 Wizzup_: Initial release of stable cssu Branch, contains the following packages from cssu-testing 16.8, with any changes on top listed in 2nd col: Aug 10 13:55:30 that's why it's waaaaaaay shorter ;) Aug 10 13:56:16 yeah, it's basically showing diff to Testing, not to stock Aug 10 13:56:23 16.8? I can't find that here http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Changelog Aug 10 13:56:39 Wizzup_: http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Changelog#PR_1.3.3.7-10.8 Aug 10 13:57:05 (which has the version number 20.2010.36-2maemo16.8) Aug 10 13:57:31 I knew this will bite our ass long time ;-P Aug 10 13:57:31 I see, thanks Aug 10 13:57:32 I have to admit, our versioning scheme is confusing Aug 10 13:57:41 quite Aug 10 13:57:45 :) Aug 10 13:58:01 well, got sanitized with introduction of S Aug 10 13:58:03 not complaining though, I'm very happy with cssu Aug 10 13:58:37 and T Aug 10 13:58:58 Going to install the sdk in a bit and see if I can write/port a little game I was writing Aug 10 13:59:29 Going to try gles2 and golang, see how it works out Aug 10 14:01:08 hm new stable is overdue, libxml2, openssl, libcurl, libhildon and pango fixes Aug 10 14:01:22 merlin1991: see above ;-) Aug 10 14:01:23 also our patched ke-recv seems to have reached a somewhat stable state Aug 10 14:01:30 I also read some nice things about omp Aug 10 14:01:34 [2012-08-10 15:53:01] I also think a new S release is overdue Aug 10 14:01:45 Wizzup_: omp is not part of cssu though Aug 10 14:02:07 I noticed, but it figured it might become a part sooner or later Aug 10 14:02:18 but I have it installed and edited the dbus config file of hte stock player to have it always :D Aug 10 14:02:24 omp? Aug 10 14:02:34 aah Aug 10 14:02:44 omp is clearly optional Aug 10 14:03:27 mafw might be cssu, player surface is clealry in user's discretion which to use Aug 10 14:03:59 I'm also wondering if it's possible to have LAN games between two N900s Aug 10 14:04:02 nothing else in system depends on a fixed version of (o)mp Aug 10 14:04:11 I'm trying to make a shoot em up and want to see how that goes with lan Aug 10 14:04:23 ping over wlan seems to be 40ms though, so 80ms delay Aug 10 14:04:27 should be doable Aug 10 14:04:51 you could try loading g_ether on both and connecting them via usb :D Aug 10 14:05:17 :nod: Aug 10 14:05:18 right, I've been trying to get n900 usb net to work, been using mobile hotspot mainly though Aug 10 14:05:58 wiki.maemo.org seems awfully slow atm Aug 10 14:06:00 though I'm not sure USB is any faster re RTT Aug 10 14:06:52 ping time also might vastly improve on WLAN when going to "PSM: none" Aug 10 14:06:53 for OMP I suppose I should quickly turn on extras-devel, install omp, and then disable extras-devel again? Aug 10 14:07:03 DocScrutinizer05: I'll make a note of that Aug 10 14:07:07 or ad-hoc Aug 10 14:07:42 Wizzup_: (omp) yes Aug 10 14:08:23 well let's start fapman and see what happens :) Aug 10 14:08:30 EEEEK Aug 10 14:09:13 we need a HARM-alike MALF when fapman gets started X-P Aug 10 14:09:37 lol Aug 10 14:09:49 "sorry luser, we detected severe PEBCAK, please reflash!" Aug 10 14:09:53 DocScrutinizer05: "apt: Launched from unsigned caller, refusing process initiation" Aug 10 14:11:22 yeah, we need markers in Fremantle for user tampering with certain crap that makes it do weird things Aug 10 14:11:46 Wait, am I at fault for using fapman? Aug 10 14:12:11 Wizzup_: CSSU doesn't support fapman, ultimately Aug 10 14:12:37 I know, I already have cssu Aug 10 14:12:37 just don't do Maemo software upgrades using fapman Aug 10 14:12:45 this is just for adding repo extras-devel and installing omp Aug 10 14:12:59 I don't think fapman even sees Maemo software upgrades Aug 10 14:13:03 might work, no warranties or support form CSSU though Aug 10 14:13:47 anyway for me that's HAM or apt-get, any day Aug 10 14:13:52 I already have cssu-s Aug 10 14:13:57 or testing even, on this one Aug 10 14:14:12 fapman notorious to do nasty Aug 10 14:14:47 Also wondering why omp isn't in testing, at least, I like to live on the edge somewhat but extras-devel is really on the edge and has a _lot_ of packages Aug 10 14:14:53 Isn't omp stable enough to be in testing at least? Aug 10 14:15:21 Wizzup_, iirc OMP does dailies now that FMG's done with exams Aug 10 14:15:51 almost no one bothers to QA, so if you want the latest and greatest you're going to have to put up with it Aug 10 14:15:54 meh Aug 10 14:15:57 fapman notorious to do nasty Aug 10 14:16:09 what does it do? Aug 10 14:16:14 Hurrian: so I will have to switch on extras-devel every now and then ;) Aug 10 14:16:15 DocScrutinizer05: such as? I use it almos exclusively Aug 10 14:16:54 Wizzup_, use apt-pinning, seriously. Aug 10 14:17:07 Hurrian: Yeah I read that, but extras-devel makes the normal application manager _so_ _slow_ :P Aug 10 14:17:11 StyXman: I never investigated that as it would need me installing fapman. But it seems it spins around autoremove and not always executing postinstall scripts the right way Aug 10 14:18:13 isn't that dpkg's job to run post install? Aug 10 14:18:32 omp seems much, much more responsive. Aug 10 14:18:48 Wizzup_, the people that came up with apt-worker should be shot Aug 10 14:18:52 yes Aug 10 14:18:55 I installed fapman once when it been fresh, fsckd my system during 2 days, I nuked it and will never touch it again. Others do and report about occasional problems Aug 10 14:19:03 iirc it manually processes each package management-related file Aug 10 14:19:07 one. by. one. Aug 10 14:19:38 DocScrutinizer05: ack Aug 10 14:20:23 Hurrian: exams? FMG? Aug 10 14:20:27 Also, since there seems to be some activity here, how hard would it be to replace the old pulseaudio with a newer version Aug 10 14:20:32 I compiled a newer one in a chroot Aug 10 14:20:38 (have a gentoo chroot on n900 somewhere) Aug 10 14:20:41 and definitely CSSU gets extended functions into HAM that for sure aren't ported to fapman Aug 10 14:21:04 freemangordon, crap, was sleepy. Was referring to MAG. Aug 10 14:21:07 so basic rule: on CSSu use HAM, as that's the official tool for managing apps Aug 10 14:21:08 Wizzup_: just wget the .deb of omp and use dpkg -i Aug 10 14:21:17 afaik it does not have any silly dependencies Aug 10 14:21:20 merlin1991: That's a pain with updates though, but thanks Aug 10 14:21:21 No, it hasn't Aug 10 14:21:22 these maemo.org TLAs get my head wound up after a while. Aug 10 14:21:40 Hurrian: :) Aug 10 14:22:00 Mainly asking because pulseaudio was stupid enough to break their protocol for no reason Aug 10 14:22:08 Wizzup_: what's the point of newer pulseaudio, except for more poettering? Aug 10 14:22:13 And my cuboc (arm device) runs PA 1.1 and I stream all my audio to that Aug 10 14:22:15 cubox* Aug 10 14:22:34 merlin1991, I'd like to be able to stream all sound from n900 to a wallcomputer, so to say Aug 10 14:22:40 which is then connected to speakers Aug 10 14:22:48 Hurrian: infobot should know them alll, if it's missing one, just tell me ;-) Aug 10 14:23:09 DocScrutinizer05: heya Aug 10 14:23:12 ~TLA Aug 10 14:23:12 somebody said tla was Three Letter Acronym, or the name of the binary for GNU arch Aug 10 14:23:17 javispedro: hey :-D Aug 10 14:23:32 ~etla Aug 10 14:23:33 Extended Three Letter Acronym (pronounced /ee tee el ay/) Aug 10 14:23:48 DocScrutinizer05: :P Aug 10 14:23:48 ~fmg Aug 10 14:24:07 ~zogg Aug 10 14:24:08 rumour has it, zogg is awesome Aug 10 14:24:11 DocScrutinizer05, I think that's missing. Aug 10 14:24:32 I'm in love with OMP Aug 10 14:24:35 It's so much better Aug 10 14:24:37 DocScrutinizer05: still want to host Harmattan source DVDs? :) Aug 10 14:24:39 Hurrian: I think fmg is freemangordon Aug 10 14:24:57 ~omp Aug 10 14:25:12 DocScrutinizer05, knew that, just testing :) Aug 10 14:25:15 ~#maemo omp is Open Media Player Aug 10 14:25:16 DocScrutinizer05: okay Aug 10 14:25:16 javispedro: i think it's online already Aug 10 14:25:29 ~omp Aug 10 14:25:29 methinks omp is Open Media Player Aug 10 14:25:34 DocScrutinizer05: you need to set chan, otherwise it's global Aug 10 14:25:35 ? Aug 10 14:25:43 yep Aug 10 14:25:50 didn't know that Aug 10 14:25:54 ZogG_laptop: where? Aug 10 14:26:00 Wizzup_, it's a lot smoother, and disabling FMTX-UI checks is nice Aug 10 14:26:25 fmtx-ui checks? Aug 10 14:26:31 (I know what fmtx is) Aug 10 14:26:40 javispedro: lemme rememebr who told he would upload it like a week ago Aug 10 14:26:53 javispedro: sure thing Aug 10 14:27:12 ZogG_laptop: probably it was me, took a whopping 48h to upload =) Aug 10 14:27:42 javispedro: nope, it was someone who promised me to upload, but can't recall who was that Aug 10 14:27:42 DocScrutinizer05: right here: http://depot.javispedro.com/nit/harm/srcs/ Aug 10 14:27:55 aah Aug 10 14:27:59 javispedro: I'm going to rape your host too :D Aug 10 14:28:37 javispedro: are those the pr1.3 sources? Aug 10 14:28:47 the kernel ones match at least. Aug 10 14:28:52 so, I guess yes :) Aug 10 14:29:32 it's a shame that there is no libcontentmanager-dev inside the 1.2 sources Aug 10 14:29:47 libcontentmanager is closed but necessary to build the contorl panel applets Aug 10 14:30:01 it won't appear in the sources if it's closed Aug 10 14:30:04 your best bet is sdk repos Aug 10 14:30:19 oh Aug 10 14:30:21 well the one in the sdk repos is missing a header file :/ Aug 10 14:30:28 libcontentmanager is necessary to build control panel applets? Aug 10 14:30:32 or rather not missing because it's 1.1 Aug 10 14:30:55 either way, wrong channel =) Aug 10 14:30:59 (my fault) Aug 10 14:33:09 javispedro: what's dists and pool? Aug 10 14:33:35 DocScrutinizer05: source packages organized as debian src repo Aug 10 14:33:46 ready to use via apt-get source Aug 10 14:33:48 would I want to mirror them? Aug 10 14:33:48 MohammadAG's idea Aug 10 14:33:57 mhm Aug 10 14:34:19 I guess that's just another 8765GB Aug 10 14:34:45 which I *could* save when loopmounting the iso Aug 10 14:34:45 yeah Aug 10 14:35:02 the .iso is a pain to host Aug 10 14:35:09 not for me Aug 10 14:35:12 :;-) Aug 10 14:35:14 I could keep hosting the repo though Aug 10 14:35:15 why is it? Aug 10 14:35:32 ZogG_laptop: if there are 50 downloads it's already 150GiB ;P Aug 10 14:35:50 while 50 downloads of a single package from the repo is ~1GiB ;P Aug 10 14:35:52 javispedro: you host repo, I host .iso. Deal? Aug 10 14:35:53 (at most) Aug 10 14:35:59 DocScrutinizer05: ok Aug 10 14:36:07 for me storage is the concern Aug 10 14:36:11 javispedro: oh, that Aug 10 14:36:26 while traffic is for free afaik Aug 10 14:36:41 i don't have storage or traffic problem, as i have no host. no host - no problem Aug 10 14:36:47 :) Aug 10 14:36:52 DocScrutinizer05: danke schön! Aug 10 14:37:01 bitte sehr :-) Aug 10 14:37:10 ya ya :) Aug 10 14:37:25 42% Aug 10 14:38:20 50 Aug 10 14:38:49 nothing to replace a proper backbone Aug 10 14:38:57 he Aug 10 14:39:07 4.5M/s Aug 10 14:39:27 I had to upload at ~20K/s :P Aug 10 14:39:32 OUCH Aug 10 14:39:49 I used a 24h/on raspberry pi :) Aug 10 14:39:52 63 Aug 10 14:40:24 this lil vserver is awesome Aug 10 14:41:30 http://maemo.cloud-7.de/HARM/N9/1.3/ Aug 10 14:49:41 merlin1991: did you compile the fennec-17 package for thumb? I'm interested in the latest fennec but I don't have thumb2 yet Aug 10 14:49:46 Or do you just host the packages Aug 10 14:49:56 I just host, freemangordon is the thumb man Aug 10 14:50:14 Well, I'm looking for fennec w/o thumb2 Aug 10 14:51:03 freemangordon and someone else are working on that, dunno how far they are Aug 10 14:51:14 alright, thanks Aug 10 14:51:43 zeq Aug 10 14:52:06 whom we even got a N900 to continue the awesome work Aug 10 14:52:16 hi there.could somebody tell me how to boot from sdcard with bootmenu n900?i set everything as it was explained,but when i try to boot,nothing happens Aug 10 14:52:34 thank you Aug 10 14:52:47 it is a debian system Aug 10 14:53:06 bootmenu? Aug 10 14:53:22 yes.from the extras repo Aug 10 14:54:01 you know,when the keyboard is detached on n900 and the bootmenu shows up Aug 10 14:54:17 there's multiboot (deprecated) and uBoot, and yes there's bootmenu but I never heard it got used for booting a different kernel&rootfs. Maybe there's some new stuff though I didn't hear about yet Aug 10 14:55:36 anyway aiui bootmenu would either need kexec, or do what multiboot does, which sounds weird to re-implement again Aug 10 14:56:00 ~maemo-multiboot Aug 10 14:56:00 i guess maemo-multiboot is deprecated, and a horrible hack. PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED Aug 10 14:57:11 http://elektranox.org/n900/installation/index.html here is the instruction,i did it as it described,nothing happens Aug 10 14:59:13 patitioned an ext3 fs to my ext sd card,tar-ed the debian distro,but nothing happens Aug 10 15:00:47 aah my fav site elektranox which attributes my charging script to somebody who actually was able to change 0x10 to 0x80, as I orginially already suggested implicitly. Sorry nfc if this site is up to date in any way Aug 10 15:01:53 I don't even know what this guy suggests to use as bootselector Aug 10 15:02:06 aka bootloader-menu Aug 10 15:02:28 zsolt_hun: check tmo for uBoot Aug 10 15:02:48 I think you find more up-to-date instructions there Aug 10 15:03:00 DocScrutinizer05, electranox uses Bootmenu to choose post-preinit boot Aug 10 15:03:11 that's some pretty damn old stuff Aug 10 15:03:33 yeah, gathered as much Aug 10 15:03:42 completely obsolete Aug 10 15:04:05 must be like... 2 years old Aug 10 15:04:23 but anyway this boot menu inside the extras repo Aug 10 15:04:39 still there Aug 10 15:04:43 sure Aug 10 15:05:05 but you won't find support or current binaries for that method anymore Aug 10 15:06:14 while uBoot support and binaries are pretty much up-to-date Aug 10 15:06:19 meh, use a armel-compiled 2.6.37-nemo kernel. setting up an obsolete toolchain to properly build 2.6.28 is a pain. Aug 10 15:06:21 what a pity:( i think it was the most elegant solution to boot other os,but that's my opinion Aug 10 15:06:42 zsolt_hun, most elegant solution to multiboot is via u-boot Aug 10 15:06:49 yep Aug 10 15:07:15 that's why that other method bitrot Aug 10 15:07:19 i tryed u-boot to,but it cant find my sd card Aug 10 15:07:45 well, then you're as good as you're now, with that bootmenu method, no? Aug 10 15:08:04 ok Aug 10 15:08:05 only that for uBoot you actually might find support Aug 10 15:08:18 thank you Aug 10 16:04:35 is there any way to disable insane fremantle Calendar io activity when connecting to Skype? Aug 10 16:05:15 slonopotamus: hm? Aug 10 16:05:26 slonopotamus: please elaborate Aug 10 16:07:44 1. create skype account 2. add ~200 contacts 3. connect to it from n900 4. observe unusability of device for a couple of minutes due to massive I/O by /usr/bin/Calendar Aug 10 16:07:45 i guest that is related Aug 10 16:07:47 woops Aug 10 16:08:59 i guest that is related to the fact that when skype account is *off* then all birthday notifiers of skype contacts appear in calendar *twice*. and when skype account is connected, they merge back into single entries Aug 10 16:16:27 hmm, sounds like Skype WONTFIX Aug 10 16:17:36 you should've reported that bug 20 months ago, err 30? Aug 10 16:17:37 04Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/20 Mousepointer visible Aug 10 16:17:55 * DocScrutinizer05 pets povbot Aug 10 16:19:03 i haven't used skype on n900 30 months ago? Aug 10 16:32:59 but Nokia might have considered fixing that bug back when. Now I don't see any fixes for skype coming Aug 10 16:34:06 hi Aug 10 16:34:19 you got soundcloud working on n900? Aug 10 16:34:29 play button does nothing.. Aug 10 16:41:29 Vibe: not working in MicroB for me Aug 10 17:10:33 Is it possible to snap pictures *including flash* on the CLI on the n900? I see gst-launch can be used to take pictures but this excludes the flash. Aug 10 17:47:19 hmm, you might be able to dump the framebuffer Aug 10 18:10:27 ~seen SD69 Aug 10 18:10:32 sd69 was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 110d 3h 27m 11s ago, saying: 'any thoughts on cOBS from cssu pov?'. Aug 10 18:45:52 hi there. Is there a way to install maemo on an old machine such as xperia x2 ? Aug 10 18:47:30 no Aug 10 18:51:05 thx Aug 10 18:51:07 :D Aug 10 20:33:41 freemangordon: ping Aug 10 20:46:08 hello, would anyone happen to know if I need to be root to edit transitions.ini in fremantle? Aug 10 20:48:24 and if so, how is the command for it in xterm? Aug 10 20:48:46 does anyone got soundcloud working on n900? Aug 10 20:49:38 bennypr0fane: http://wiki.maemo.org/Customizing_Maemo#Transitions Aug 10 20:49:44 (so yes) Aug 10 20:49:59 joga thanks Aug 10 20:50:39 for the command you should first become root and then do something like vim /usr/share/hildon-desktop/transitions.ini Aug 10 20:50:57 (assuming you have vim, I do) Aug 10 20:52:06 don't think so, what is vim? will leafpad do? Aug 10 20:53:11 so form the wiki it seems the autorotate blacklist should work for desktop widgets too, not just regular apps... Aug 10 20:53:45 I want to keep the K9Call desktop dialler widget from rotating Aug 10 20:54:13 but it seems people have been unsuccessful adding it to the blacklist Aug 10 20:57:34 can you use transition control to tweak that? Aug 10 20:59:44 the blacklist? Aug 10 20:59:57 what's transitions control? Aug 10 21:01:08 it's the program that would save you the bother of manually editing transitions.ini Aug 10 21:01:38 iirc the package name is transitioncontrol Aug 10 21:02:00 can't remember which repo it's in though Aug 10 21:02:36 hmmm. let's see. it looks like Aug 10 21:02:48 it only changes overall settings Aug 10 21:03:01 installing it anyway Aug 10 21:03:06 I've used it to disable all unnecessary animations I don't want like the zooming, snappier that way Aug 10 21:03:38 i've looked through a dozen threads about tweaking transitions, and nobody ever mentioned this though Aug 10 21:03:46 oh, that's odd Aug 10 21:03:48 :) Aug 10 21:04:36 wow, what about cssu transitions tuner? Aug 10 21:05:17 looking into both now Aug 10 21:05:33 you heard about the latter? Aug 10 21:05:51 transitions without the zooming are faster? Aug 10 21:09:47 haven't heard about that, I haven't touched them since I found something I like Aug 10 21:10:30 but yeah I think it makes a very significant difference when using the device Aug 10 21:11:47 I haven't disabled 100% of them but most I've either disabled or made very fast so there's maybe just 1 frame in between or something Aug 10 21:12:20 there was just something I remember leaving alone because it was a bit confusing if it was very fast Aug 10 21:13:00 transition control doesn't let me edit the blacklist... Aug 10 21:13:53 really I often wonder, why they didn't make them faster in the first place Aug 10 21:14:28 I get the impression most people were bothered with how slow transitions are at default settings Aug 10 21:17:38 yeah, dunno. if I turn all the bling back on or see them in another n900 it looks sort of neat for a few seconds but then it starts bugging me again Aug 10 21:18:13 maybe jolla has time for cosmetics too? ;) heh we'll see Aug 10 21:19:58 Well seems to me that you don't need to do away with the bling completely if it can be made faster to a decent degree Aug 10 21:20:48 I just hope Jolla are going to make sonething with a QWertz keyboard Aug 10 21:22:45 If they only go make just another giant slab of screen with no buttons, it'll have been in vain Aug 10 21:28:21 to me it sounded like they would realize there's need for such phones, we'll see eventually Aug 10 21:32:18 yes, the latest interview was funny: "If you look at what's available at the market today, it's not hard to stand out in terms of hardware design" Aug 10 21:33:29 how can I tell which transitions file is currently in use, the one in hildon-desktop or the one from the theme Aug 10 21:34:47 bennypr0fane: theme overrides the one in hildon-desktop if you have an active theme Aug 10 21:35:15 is it possible to not have an active theme? Aug 10 21:35:41 where would the theme-specific transitions file be located? Aug 10 21:39:14 bennypr0fane: /opt/usr/share/themes/[name of the theme you're using]/transitions.ini Aug 10 21:40:06 thanks! Aug 10 21:40:54 generally, knowing the name of the file, it should be easy to find even if I don't know its location, right? Aug 10 21:41:24 I tried the file search, but it doesn't show the location of search results Aug 10 21:43:56 if I uninstalled the theme I was previously using, does that mean that now I'm not using any theme? and the transitions file in hildon-desktop is in use? Aug 10 21:48:22 (( yeah, dunno. if I turn all the bling back on or see them in another n900 it looks sort of neat for a few seconds but then it starts bugging me again)) yeah. The HARM effect. It's all about blinding effects and chrome, and after a few days the latest ist just friggin annoying Aug 10 21:50:02 o/ merlin1991 Aug 10 21:51:40 merlin1991: you know how KDE stores their app settings? In the end you don't have a bloody idea which setting from which branch is in effect for a particular property. And when something breaks you better reset ALL that shite and start from scratch. \o/ Aug 10 21:52:25 heh reminded me of quakeworld or similar online shooters, when you want even tiny fps gains and all the textures are just distracting and useless, and you end up using flat shading with minimum effects and clutter on a high-end pc, heh Aug 10 21:52:52 anybody know about my previous question? I'm not sure which transitions file I have in use right now. Aug 10 21:53:13 bennypr0fane: merlin1991 answered that Aug 10 21:53:32 or use lsof ;-P Aug 10 21:53:39 or strace Aug 10 21:53:44 then what's happening on my device kinda doesn't make sense Aug 10 21:56:29 i.e., no, I haven't seen an answer. the question was, I just uninstalled the theme I was using, the files are still there though, including the transitions.ini I made changes to it and I can see them, but it doesn't have the CSSU section with the blacklist. the blacklist seems to be operating though Aug 10 21:57:19 bennypr0fane: in the themes directory there is a bunch of themes AND a dir called default. Aug 10 21:57:42 when you choose a new theme, it gets copied to default. Aug 10 21:58:02 therefore, what is in dir default is the current theme. Aug 10 21:58:19 also, harmattan can suck my nuts. Aug 10 21:58:50 swipe is fucking gay and pointless. Aug 10 21:59:15 shortcutd>swipe. Aug 10 21:59:53 ah, the glory of shortcutd Aug 10 22:00:11 HAIL. Aug 10 22:00:12 my cam key marking is probably very worn out Aug 10 22:00:44 if only it did not start proximityd by default. Aug 10 22:00:59 or even offered 2 'shell commands' Aug 10 22:06:36 how do I make sure the default transitions.ini is used? Aug 10 22:14:00 Ahhahaha: http://gizmodo.com/5933717/google-lays-the-smack-down-on-torrent-sites-in-search-results Aug 10 22:31:34 silly quick question is there a lib for Qt or Gtk on Maemo with a scrollable, overlayable map widget (possibly more features, but this would save a lot of time developing) Aug 10 22:52:34 i think there is a hildon gtk thingy Aug 10 22:52:39 not entirely sure though Aug 10 22:58:00 any hints of where ? Aug 10 23:09:18 How the iPhone did I miss that before? I was looking yesterday for the instructions to build and flash a combined u-Boot image, since with the thumb repo enabled I can't boot from the default attached kernel anymore. The instructions are on the first page of the thread, in post 6. I spent 20 minutes looking before I decided to put it off for a while. I must be blind. Aug 10 23:20:52 Kilroo, since u-boot always loads the bootmenu.scr file, I think you can try editing the script so that the attachboot entry comes last. Aug 10 23:21:08 There, no more need to manually combine and flash kernels. Aug 10 23:23:36 Hurrian: I already made the symlink so that it boots kp51 by default, as described in the first post of the u-boot thread. I'm just considering making a combined image from it because as it stands, the attachboot doesn't work. It just provides me with a convenient means of failing to boot the phone. Aug 10 23:24:30 Kilroo, just in case mmcblk0p1 bombs? Aug 10 23:25:22 ...I wouldn't be able to boot an attached kernel either in that case, would I? Aug 10 23:25:36 meh, the whole purpose of u-boot was so that you'd never flash another kernel ever again. until recently, u-boot kept running attachboot and that's why I had to combine it with KP because my /home is EXT4. Aug 10 23:26:17 (and because I can't be arsed to open my keyboard every boot) Aug 10 23:28:22 I think the only advantages of doing what I'm considering would be: (aesthetic) it appeals to my sense of cleanliness; (practical) it would allow me to save a miniscule amount of file space; (practical) it would prevent the admittedly unlikely possibility of rendering the phone unbootable by fouling up the kp51 files without screwing up anything else significant. Aug 10 23:28:37 So I may just not bother. Aug 10 23:29:03 I was having a chuckle earlier today at my belt-worn gear. Aug 10 23:29:10 Kilroo, heh, I treat KP as my main kernel. I've actually uninstalled kernel and kernel-modules. Aug 10 23:30:21 well it's straight forward, get uimage, combine it using the pyhton script, flash it :D Aug 10 23:31:00 I carry the n900 (with one of those somewhat floppy silicone slide-on protectors on it) in a belt case that came with a 110-film camera. I carry my Internet-To-Go hotspot crammed in a belt holster that I bought for my old n82. It all looks so amusingly ghetto and yet works so well. Aug 10 23:31:51 Merlin: Yes, I just discovered how easy it is a little while ago; I was just marveling at how I managed to spend 20-30 minutes NOT finding that the other night, and then found it in less than two minutes today. Aug 10 23:32:06 :D Aug 10 23:34:16 once I build a big battery pack, I'll probably use my N900 as a mobile hotspot of sorts. Aug 10 23:34:56 I've been trying to squeeze by paying as little as possible for service since...well, actually since I was using the n82. Aug 10 23:35:46 The "golden age" of that would have to be while t-mobile's IPv6 service was still in beta. As far as I could tell, someone forgot to code for an edge case. Aug 10 23:36:46 You had to have access to use data normally in order to be in the beta. But if you were using prepaid minutes, they didn't bother to make it necessary to buy the $1.49 data day pass to access ipv6. Aug 10 23:41:05 Interesting side note: This Opera plugin that lets me ctrl-mouseover a link to display it as a qr-code, combined with mbarcode, makes it very easy to download things to the n900 that I found while browsing on my desktop. Aug 10 23:52:48 Kilroo, holy crap, Opera has a plugin for that? Aug 10 23:53:09 That would've saved me hours typing URLs for wget. Aug 10 23:53:30 Hurrian: https://addons.opera.com/en/extensions/details/url-2-qr/ Aug 10 23:53:53 If I don't find a Firefox extension for it, I'm switching to Opera. Aug 10 23:55:17 I switched over a while back for reasons I no longer remember. There is much about Opera that I like. There are some things I don't. Such is life. Aug 10 23:55:51 It was partly out of frustration with the fact that I couldn't find a Webkit-based browser with a combination of UI + extensibility that I found acceptable. Aug 11 00:01:35 Hurrian: why do you need a big battery pack for that? just plug n900 in as usb? Aug 11 00:02:44 Wizzup_, portable hotspot Aug 11 00:03:10 I don't understand, you use the hotspot for a laptop right Aug 11 00:03:44 nah, for my N9, vita and various other toys... I mean devices I keep around me constantly. Aug 11 00:04:52 well, when you have a laptop of some sorts with you, connect the n900 to it over usb to charge it again Aug 11 00:04:59 I actually have four batteries... but I only need one really Aug 11 00:05:51 That reminds me. For one thing, I haven't set up ipv6 since I reflashed; I should do that. Second, even with the ITG, I might still prefer switching to the $3/day plan from T-Mo for some purposes; I should make another attempt at getting to where I can share that connection with my Transformer Prime over bluetooth for those occasions. Aug 11 00:06:36 Kilroo, bluetooth PAN is horrible on Android. Just patch your wpa_supplicant to accept ad-hoc networks. Aug 11 00:07:13 tbh, I sometimes fire up a VNC server on my N900 and use XFCE on my Tab 8.9 Aug 11 00:08:14 Oh, really? Bummer. I'd gathered that with respect to laptops bluetooth was better in terms of both speed and power consumption; hadn't occurred to me that might not hold for android devices. Aug 11 00:08:45 ...Ha, I wonder if I could get USB tethering to work. Aug 11 00:09:30 Power consumption, yeah, better. Speed? Bluetooth EDR is a farce. Aug 11 00:10:20 Duly noted. Aug 11 00:24:24 Oh yes. I should also look into these various swap-manipulating experiments. Come to think of it I should also try to ascertain what effect, if any, setting up additional swap and enabling smartreflex has on what settings are a good idea in swappolube. And I may as well stop using maxCPU since with smartreflex enabled I doubt I would ever want a convenient widget for changing away from 805. Aug 11 00:44:03 Kilroo, CSSU-Thumb at 600MHz with SR is good enough for me Aug 11 00:47:07 Microsoft: It was never 'Metro,' it was always 'Modern UI' Aug 11 00:47:09 Ahhahahaha Aug 11 00:47:37 http://i.imgur.com/wDU9n.png - what? Aug 11 00:48:10 RST38h: lol. Too late for them Aug 11 00:49:02 [4:48:47] Marat Fayzullin: poor fucks and their last ditch attempts to make everyone believe this thing was *not* shoddily pasted on top of Win32 UI Aug 11 00:49:08 [sorry] Aug 11 00:56:41 I'm actually looking forward to windows 8 Aug 11 00:57:24 because according to what I've read, I can buy a cheap upgrade license for the copy of Windows XP I use on my VM. Aug 11 00:57:37 ...Then I'll clone the VM and upgrade one of it. Aug 11 01:04:11 Kilroo: I'm looking forward to it too, it'll cause much more people to go away from windows Aug 11 01:04:54 Kilroo, I'm running the Windows 8 RTM, and all the controls are ugly compared to Windows 7. Aug 11 01:05:07 Remember those crappy .NET apps using the default styling? Yeah, it's like that. Aug 11 01:05:18 It just looks so unnatural and out of place. Aug 11 01:05:42 I don't particularly care what it looks like, to be honest. Aug 11 01:06:35 the only main draw of Win8 is supposedly Hyper-V and under-the-hood improvements, which I could care less about because I run it under Xen VT-d for games. Aug 11 01:06:49 But I suppose I should set up a VM of the preview and take a look at it. Aug 11 01:09:03 RST38h, "Immersive UI" is what the OS internally calls it Aug 11 01:09:49 My g/f got into my Nokia N900 yesterday and read all my emails and texts. What what's a good app to download to lock it? I want something like Androids pattern swipe. Aug 11 01:10:05 petey_, set the regular lock code? Aug 11 01:10:27 it's written into CAL, so unless your GF knows how to flash your phone/load up a recovery system it stays locked Aug 11 01:10:35 just remember to lock your phone Aug 11 01:10:50 the applocker app to prevent app launches can break some stuff, so I don't recommend using itr Aug 11 01:11:42 I've never used it. Aug 11 01:12:06 Power menu -> Secure Device Aug 11 01:12:15 default lock code is 12345, dig in Settings to change it Aug 11 01:13:06 Got it. Aug 11 01:13:39 It just stays with the numbers screen? Aug 11 01:14:12 Until I unlock it? Aug 11 01:14:19 Yup. Aug 11 01:14:36 Better than nothing. Aug 11 01:15:14 Thank you. Now I've got some more explaining to do. Aug 11 01:16:18 If you want to be ultra-paranoid about it, you can additionally put in a SIM lock and encrypt the eMMC. Aug 11 01:16:54 Or just keep my phone in my pocket. Even when I'm in the shower. Aug 11 01:17:45 Have a good weekend guys. Aug 11 01:53:17 anyone uses out-call-vibro? seems it has some lag to vibrate after a calling is connected **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Aug 11 02:59:58 2012