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Aug 14 04:29:00 <DocScrutinizer05> ShadowJK: well, I'm absolutely sure I've seen uptimes >100 days on N900, so what exactly are the triggers for those instabilities?
Aug 14 04:30:41 <DocScrutinizer05> ~ $ uptime
Aug 14 04:30:43 <DocScrutinizer05>  06:40:04 up 136 days,  7:35, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
Aug 14 04:30:44 <DocScrutinizer05> ~ $ uname -a
Aug 14 04:30:46 <DocScrutinizer05> Linux t900 2.6.28.10power46 #1 PREEMPT Sun Dec 12 03:11:24 EET 2010 armv7l unknown
Aug 14 04:46:20 <jpinx> I didn't record the uptime - but one of my n900's was up for about 6 months without break
Aug 14 05:04:16 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: I/O locking the system for long enough for the watchdog to bite?
Aug 14 05:04:44 <DocScrutinizer05> never seen that happen on mine
Aug 14 05:06:10 <kerio> is there a way to do a file copy with a speed meter?
Aug 14 05:06:27 <DocScrutinizer05> particularly watchdog never kicked in, even when I managed to run system into massive swaphell where it took literally hours to recover from increasing deadlock
Aug 14 05:06:46 <DocScrutinizer05> speed meter?
Aug 14 05:06:57 <DocScrutinizer05> use dd if you want speed meter
Aug 14 05:06:59 <DocScrutinizer05> or mc
Aug 14 05:07:18 <DocScrutinizer05> or rsync
Aug 14 05:07:32 <kerio> dd only shows the speed meter at the end, if you don't sigusr1 it repeatedly
Aug 14 05:07:42 <DocScrutinizer05> yep
Aug 14 05:08:16 <DocScrutinizer05> you haven
Aug 14 05:08:18 <DocScrutinizer05> 't
Aug 14 05:08:32 <DocScrutinizer05> specified what kind of speedmeneter you want at all
Aug 14 05:08:43 <DocScrutinizer05> there's even -v on cp
Aug 14 05:09:27 <DocScrutinizer05> and then there's iotop, or iostat or whatever it's called
Aug 14 05:10:12 <kerio> meh, emmc->emmc speeds vary wildly during the copy
Aug 14 05:10:32 <DocScrutinizer05> there's a dedicated bytecounter for pipes, like cat foo|meter|cat >dest
Aug 14 05:12:25 <kerio> i hope you mean meter <foo >dest
Aug 14 05:12:29 <kerio> >:(
Aug 14 05:14:17 <kerio> hmm, emmc->usd speeds are a bit higher
Aug 14 05:14:25 <kerio> but they still drop after a bit
Aug 14 05:14:39 <kerio> meh :c
Aug 14 05:26:21 <DocScrutinizer05> honestly, I dunno about any progress bar thingie. All I ever need is (in) mc, dd, and zenity
Aug 14 05:27:54 <Macer> i remember long ago mv and cp having a progress bar or % thing
Aug 14 05:28:23 <DocScrutinizer05> oh?
Aug 14 05:28:54 <DocScrutinizer05> maybe on msdos
Aug 14 05:29:02 <DocScrutinizer05> ;-P
Aug 14 05:29:36 <Macer> heh
Aug 14 05:29:41 <DocScrutinizer05> rsync seems to do what you want
Aug 14 05:29:43 <Macer> no ;) 
Aug 14 05:30:03 <Macer> DocScrutinizer05: yeah i guess but the cp/mv in slackware a decade ago had it integrated
Aug 14 05:30:16 <Macer> i mean it wasn't a dealbreaker but still... i thought it was a nice thing to have
Aug 14 05:31:11 <DocScrutinizer05> doesn't sound like linux/unix
Aug 14 05:31:35 <DocScrutinizer05> maybe some builtin in some weird messybox-alike shell
Aug 14 05:32:03 <Macer> possibly
Aug 14 05:32:32 <joga> (didn't read whole buffer) you can pipe stuff through 'pv' to get a progress bar
Aug 14 05:33:21 <joga> not sure if it was in the repos though :)
Aug 14 05:33:32 <DocScrutinizer05> pv :-) thanks joga
Aug 14 05:34:11 <DocScrutinizer05> though that seems not exactly a standard unix-tool
Aug 14 05:34:22 <DocScrutinizer05> not even on my desktop
Aug 14 05:34:30 <joga> yeah I guess
Aug 14 05:34:33 <joga> http://www.ivarch.com/programs/pv.shtml
Aug 14 05:35:09 <joga> when I once found such exists I kinda wished it or something similar was part of the core utils
Aug 14 05:37:26 <DocScrutinizer05> I guess wc could use some more modes
Aug 14 05:38:41 <DocScrutinizer05> well, no PC will get touched by me that has not either MC or at least NC
Aug 14 05:40:07 <DocScrutinizer05> mc as much a standard as is bash, in my book ;-)
Aug 14 05:41:55 <joga> I never really got used to using stuff like mc
Aug 14 05:49:23 <DocScrutinizer05> well, mc isn't that useful when you're not used to it
Aug 14 05:50:28 <DocScrutinizer05> if however you're used to mc, it's faster than cmdline, by far
Aug 14 05:53:18 <DocScrutinizer05> I admit it's not THAT useful on tiny screen like N900
Aug 14 05:53:56 <DocScrutinizer05> you need a certain minimum display size to use it
Aug 14 05:55:56 <joga> I guess I've been stuck with using the command line for most stuff since I used to use symbian putty to access the shell and the terminal size issues sometimes mean that progs crash or refuse to start etc
Aug 14 05:56:41 <joga> but I've sometimes checked some ncurses file managers etc, but haven't bothered to learn them so it would be faster to use for me
Aug 14 05:58:35 <joga> should I do that though, I guess I would learn the most common one
Aug 14 06:14:06 <DocScrutinizer05> so mc :-)
Aug 14 06:22:07 <joga> DocScrutinizer05 yeah, well, it's what I've probably used the most (or nc in dos), which isn't much :)
Aug 14 08:48:43 <jpinx> When I download usb-network-modules.deb and try to install manually I get "Unable to install 'usb-network-modules'. -- Incompatible application package."  What am I doing wrong?
Aug 14 08:49:44 <jpinx> I got the same when trying to install open ssh  :(
Aug 14 10:25:34 <timo^> I'm trying to install Ubuntu 12.04 on a 16GB uSD card. When I try to start it with Uboot it gives the error 'Wrong ramdisk format' and I'm dropped in a shell...
Aug 14 10:48:39 <kerio> timo^: i think the ramdisk format isn't the right one
Aug 14 10:52:27 <timo^> and how do I change it? :)
Aug 14 10:53:19 <kerio> beats me
Aug 14 10:53:30 <kerio> why do you even want to install ubuntu 12.04 on your n900?
Aug 14 10:53:38 <kerio> ubuntu dropped armel support since 9.10
Aug 14 10:53:42 <timo^> just for fun :P
Aug 14 10:53:57 <timo^> (now I have Meego, 'cause Ubuntu didn't work ;) )
Aug 14 11:13:53 <DocScrutinizer51> jpinx: use armel packages, not x86
Aug 14 11:17:40 <vi_> zeq: ping
Aug 14 11:19:06 <DocScrutinizer51> hi vi_ 
Aug 14 11:19:26 <DocScrutinizer51> got your git?
Aug 14 11:23:42 <ShadowJK> DocScrutinizer; heavy read/write load to emmc, home and swap simultaneously
Aug 14 11:24:11 <ShadowJK> iirc this deadlock never triggered for me with just heavy swapping
Aug 14 11:24:28 <DocScrutinizer51> hmmmm
Aug 14 11:24:50 <ShadowJK> but for example downloading stuff with gpodder and opening a heavy web page would often be the trigger for me, but only after weeks of uptime
Aug 14 11:25:39 <ShadowJK> the device actually in best situation doesn't become totally unresponsive, just that only stuff in ram works
Aug 14 11:26:39 <ShadowJK> so if you accidentally trigger wm or h-d to try fault in a page not in ram, device becomes practically unusable
Aug 14 11:27:09 <DocScrutinizer51> yeah
Aug 14 11:27:40 <ShadowJK> and recovery then consists of holding powerbutton which triggers shutdown, which stalls, then watchdog resets device
Aug 14 11:27:55 <DocScrutinizer51> flash in microb can do this
Aug 14 11:28:41 <ShadowJK> Note that when all this happens, it's not because I/O is swamping system, I/O stalls. The queues are full, but the i/o devices sit idle doing nothing.
Aug 14 11:29:06 <DocScrutinizer51> meh
Aug 14 11:31:20 <ShadowJK> iirc this article, of all unlikely places, was what made me try slice_idle=0: http://www.symantec.com/business/support/index?page=content&id=TECH68863
Aug 14 12:38:55 <zobi8225> hi do you continue tu use matchbox for your WM ?
Aug 14 12:39:05 <zobi8225> is it a good WM ?
Aug 14 12:43:16 <kerio> ShadowJK: what's slice_idle?
Aug 14 15:01:09 <kerio> ShadowJK: so... what are your fixes regarding I/O speed and stability?
Aug 14 15:43:32 <sLumPia> hi guys, i have a question. i just reflashed my phone and installed thumb2
Aug 14 15:43:45 <sLumPia> is it okay if i also install kernel power?
Aug 14 15:44:22 <sLumPia> or i should install kernel power first, then thumb2
Aug 14 15:44:24 <sLumPia> ?
Aug 14 15:45:10 <kerio> sLumPia: if you followed the TMO thread, then you already have something very similar to KP51r1
Aug 14 15:45:19 <kerio> kernel-cssu is really just a rebrand of kernel-power
Aug 14 15:45:29 <kerio> if you want to, you can just install kernel-power-flasher, as usual
Aug 14 15:45:39 <kerio> although i would remove kernel-cssu*
Aug 14 15:45:47 <kerio> otherwise you'll use a lot of space on your rootfs, for the modules
Aug 14 15:46:50 <sLumPia> kerio: i read the thread, but can't find the answer.
Aug 14 15:47:17 <sLumPia> ok, so i want to overclock my phone to 805, just like what i do with kp
Aug 14 15:47:36 <sLumPia> how can i oc my n900 with thumb?
Aug 14 15:48:24 <kerio> kernel-power-settings should still work
Aug 14 15:48:30 <kerio> but as i told you, you can install kernel-power if you want
Aug 14 15:48:49 <kerio> KP51r1 has the thumb2 errata fix
Aug 14 15:51:18 <sLumPia> so let me get this straight. i should just: 1. remove kernel-cssu (from ham)
Aug 14 15:51:19 <sLumPia> 2. install kernel-power-flasher
Aug 14 15:51:26 <sLumPia> ?
Aug 14 15:53:00 <kerio> perhaps you shouldn't overclock at all
Aug 14 15:53:15 <kerio> not to be insulting or anything, but it *is* somewhat of an advanced topic
Aug 14 15:53:49 <kerio> and understanding how to overclock with cssu-thumb kinda requires to know, in general, how the n900's kernel works
Aug 14 15:53:54 <kerio> at least from an user's perspective
Aug 14 15:53:58 <sLumPia> kerio: np. i just install kernel-power-settings and load dsp profile
Aug 14 15:54:00 <kerio> just install kernel-power-settings
Aug 14 15:54:02 <kerio> yep
Aug 14 15:54:12 <kerio> it should work - it's the same kernel, after all
Aug 14 15:54:17 <sLumPia> as you said, it work with kernel-cssu
Aug 14 15:55:56 <sLumPia> i never really follow up thumb discussion before, so i got a little confuse
Aug 14 15:56:04 <sLumPia> thanks for the advice
Aug 14 16:59:40 <DocScrutinizer51> I just wonder whyyou still need to torture your device by OC, when you got lightning fast thumb2
Aug 14 17:00:27 <DocScrutinizer51> no matter what I'm running, no matter how slow or fast it feels, OC is a must, as it's 1337
Aug 14 17:02:27 <ShadowJK> kerio; nr_request > 2000, slice_idle=0, min_free-kbytes=4096
Aug 14 17:02:45 <kerio> hm, i have nr_requests at 8192, is it too much?
Aug 14 17:03:20 <ShadowJK> no
Aug 14 17:14:39 <MrPingu> DocScrutinizer05, for 720p recording / playback you defenitely need OC
Aug 14 17:15:27 <MrPingu> That's the only reason when I OC, rest of the time I always cap it at 600mhz
Aug 14 17:18:01 <kerio> why the hell do you need 720p playback?
Aug 14 17:18:06 <kerio> you don't even *have* 720 lines
Aug 14 17:24:13 <SpeedEvil> You do in portrait.
Aug 14 17:30:59 <trx> lol
Aug 14 17:31:37 <kerio> but then you don't have 1280 columns!
Aug 14 17:32:09 <MrPingu> Because I recorded in 720p
Aug 14 17:32:36 <MrPingu> The rest of my movies I convert to 800x480, don't worry
Aug 14 17:32:40 <kerio> well, see what your recording brought us? D:
Aug 14 17:33:27 <MrPingu> Better quality?
Aug 14 18:24:01 <MrPingu> Is there an easy way/command to list all packages in extras-devel including versionnumber?
Aug 14 18:37:15 <x29a> MrPingu: like http://maemo.org/packages/repository/list/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/ ?
Aug 14 18:40:51 <mickname> Hey, is there any sensible way to get some kind of push-notifications on n900?
Aug 14 18:43:03 <x29a> mickname: notification of what?
Aug 14 18:43:09 <mickname> i want a system like irssinotify on android
Aug 14 18:43:35 <mickname> basically custom notifications of remote events
Aug 14 18:43:42 <mickname> without polling every few minutes
Aug 14 18:44:39 <MrPingu> X29a: Yes something like that but not divided in pages...
Aug 14 18:45:45 <x29a> http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/
Aug 14 18:57:55 <MrPingu> Is there now any way to the directorytree in a textfile?
Aug 14 19:00:59 <x29a> mind telling your intentions?
Aug 14 19:01:03 <x29a> might be easier this way
Aug 14 19:03:38 <MrPingu> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=82374&page=5
Aug 14 19:04:39 <MrPingu> Sorting out all devel applications which have decent quality so they can get in the end to extras repo
Aug 14 20:03:49 <ZogG_laptop> MrPingu: ping
Aug 14 20:28:57 <MrPingu> ZogG_laptop: pong
Aug 14 20:58:35 <MrPingu> Zogg_laptop: ping
Aug 14 21:04:08 <ZogG_laptop> MrPingu: :0
Aug 14 21:04:28 <ZogG_laptop> MrPingu: is it your's — http://cgit.pingu.fi ?
Aug 14 21:05:40 <MrPingu> Zogg_laptop: nope 
Aug 14 21:06:34 <ZogG_laptop> =(
Aug 14 21:06:40 <ZogG_laptop> other pingu
Aug 14 21:09:48 <mase76> what do you think, is better for battery, 500 to 900 or 250 to 900?
Aug 14 21:36:02 <MrPingu> Do you have smartreflex already enabled?
Aug 14 21:37:35 <MrPingu> I think 250 - 900 is better, but why not lowering your max and save more battery?
Aug 14 21:37:49 <MrPingu> (and save your cpu lifetime)
Aug 14 21:39:02 <kerio> mase76: i'd say that 250-600 is better for your cpu
Aug 14 21:39:55 <mase76> smartreflex is enabled
Aug 14 21:43:14 <mase76> what profile do you use?
Aug 14 21:55:34 <MrPingu> Default, 250 - 600 SR vdd 1 and vdd2 enabled 
Aug 14 21:56:06 <MrPingu> Sometimes the dsp profile, if needed for 720p recording
Aug 14 21:56:59 <MrPingu> For better responsiveness I suggest to use swap on uSD + swappolube
Aug 14 21:57:08 <kerio> swappolube has some seriously stupid settings
Aug 14 21:57:18 <kerio> like a low queue/nr_requests
Aug 14 22:00:00 <MrPingu> What value do you use?
Aug 14 22:00:10 <MrPingu> I use 512
Aug 14 22:01:38 <kerio> ShadowJK says 4096 or 8192
Aug 14 22:01:52 <kerio> and a couple of other I/O parameters
Aug 14 22:02:02 <kerio> to avoid deadlocks and the generally slow I/O the n900 has
Aug 14 22:09:10 <MrPingu> What about these settings: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:mr_pingu#setting_up_the_device
Aug 14 22:09:12 <MrPingu> ?
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