**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 16 02:59:58 2012 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 16 03:18:28 2012 Aug 16 13:35:17 which is the safer step to install nitdroid: Aug 16 13:35:24 1.install nitdroid then u-boot Aug 16 13:35:31 2.install u-boot then nitdroid? Aug 16 13:43:44 oops, i dont know #nitdroid exist Aug 16 14:02:24 ~maemo-multiboot Aug 16 14:02:25 i guess maemo-multiboot is deprecated, and a horrible hack. PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED Aug 16 14:03:24 afaik nitdroid isn't compatible with uBoot (I wish the droid dudes had changed that meanwhile) Aug 16 14:10:26 multiboot, aka nand destroyer Aug 16 14:36:06 Hey all. My N900 has suddenly stopped recognizing my usb port Aug 16 14:36:29 Such that, "ifconfig usb0 up" results in "siocsifaddr no such device" Aug 16 14:36:54 Doing an lsmod | grep -i usb doesn't return any results Aug 16 14:37:57 no usbnetworking then Aug 16 15:03:13 jacekowski: It doesn't charge over USB via PC either anymore Aug 16 15:03:23 your usb port is gone Aug 16 15:03:32 :( Aug 16 15:03:41 Is this a common thing...? Aug 16 15:03:50 very common Aug 16 15:11:45 jacekowski: Is there a fix, or that's it? Aug 16 15:12:08 that's it Aug 16 15:12:11 narcos: do not use ti, carefull disassemble and fix it Aug 16 15:12:18 well, depends on exactly what happened Aug 16 15:12:22 jacekowski: there is fix Aug 16 15:12:31 there 3 fixes Aug 16 15:12:32 not if he lifted tracks off pcb Aug 16 15:12:39 one is you can still repair it Aug 16 15:12:46 2 you can solder cables to mb Aug 16 15:12:46 and that's most common Aug 16 15:12:55 ZogG_laptop: you can't Aug 16 15:13:02 there is nowhere to solder them to in most caes Aug 16 15:13:10 3 you can use wireless charging batteries as i saw someone did on TMO Aug 16 15:13:16 narcos: take it apart and see how badly damaged is it Aug 16 15:13:33 narcos: there is slim chance that it can be repaired Aug 16 15:13:36 narcos: very slim Aug 16 15:13:37 jacekowski: there is thread on TMO with instruction, so you do can. Aug 16 15:13:44 ZogG_laptop: read that thread Aug 16 15:14:40 jacekowski: let's say you can make it charging, without data Aug 16 15:14:48 I can still charge from the wall socket though? Aug 16 15:15:36 narcos: it needs data lines to charge Aug 16 15:15:54 narcos: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=54762&page=2 Aug 16 15:16:01 narcos: but it all depends on how badly it is damaged Aug 16 15:16:07 and what happened Aug 16 15:16:55 ahhh Aug 16 15:16:57 o Aug 16 15:16:59 *ok Aug 16 15:17:24 It's weird - it was working fine yesterday, but today it only charges from the wall socket, not via PC. Aug 16 15:17:33 ahm Aug 16 15:17:37 that sort of thing Aug 16 15:17:47 then it may be something else Aug 16 15:17:54 restart your pc Aug 16 15:17:56 and phone Aug 16 15:18:02 and try different usb port on pc Aug 16 15:18:05 and different usb cable Aug 16 15:18:17 i've seen usb ports in pcs just wear and fail Aug 16 15:19:02 jacekowski: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=71414 i talked about that Aug 16 15:19:03 I've tried turning it off and on, and on a different PC. Aug 16 15:19:20 Also, when I plug it in via USB the pixels in the top left go a bit weird Aug 16 15:19:27 (from PC) Aug 16 15:19:28 narcos: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920&highlight=soldering+battery all the info in one place with links to relevant threads Aug 16 15:19:40 ZogG_laptop: that's rapuyama usb not main omap Aug 16 15:19:44 narcos: do not plug and unplug it Aug 16 15:20:07 ZogG_laptop: why? Aug 16 15:20:16 narcos: i had problem with sometimes and working and sometimes not working, and i could fix Aug 16 15:20:33 but by playing with it i ripped it off at all, and made it worse Aug 16 15:22:00 ah ok Aug 16 15:24:13 ~usbfix Aug 16 15:24:13 somebody said usbfix was http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater) Aug 16 15:24:45 narcos ^^^ Aug 16 15:24:49 Pali: Ta Aug 16 15:33:11 Pali: i used expo after fiz and ruined it more :P Aug 16 15:40:27 Well, I left the phone off for 20 mins, plugged it back in, and now it works Aug 16 15:40:47 Ah, and quickly reports 'not charging, insufficient power' Aug 16 15:41:37 but the usb0 interface is present Aug 16 15:47:58 narcos, usb0 (in n900) is present if kernel driver g_nokia is loaded Aug 16 15:48:09 or kernel driver g_ether Aug 16 15:51:25 reflash! Aug 16 15:52:29 reflash! reflash! reflash! Aug 16 15:52:41 and then bmrestore? idk Aug 16 15:53:16 why? to restore the fuckup? Aug 16 15:53:49 bmrestore an old backup :) Aug 16 15:54:06 i think i only have latest and second latest, though Aug 16 15:54:08 :/ Aug 16 16:07:23 holy shit Aug 16 16:07:29 i just removed my otter box Aug 16 16:07:36 i didn't know the n900 was so tiny Aug 16 16:48:14 So, after disassembling my N900 - should I notice that the USB port is loose? Aug 16 17:13:22 depends on your sexual orientation, I guess. Aug 16 17:20:00 haha Aug 16 17:33:33 'later all Aug 16 18:31:41 narcos: why would you disassemble your device? Aug 16 18:38:31 freemangordon, zeq1, lame question - how to properly install fennec add-ons in N900's version? Aug 16 18:39:26 Estel_: you should be able to use the settings screen available from the left control panel Aug 16 18:39:35 sorry I mean right* Aug 16 18:39:37 trying to do it "holy way" result in "can't open file, tap to download". Not to mention that @[])@) fennec doesn't ask where to download, nor tells me where it did - can't find any settings for that too, at least without searching in about: Aug 16 18:39:58 zeq1, sure, I am, to the point where I decide to install anything Aug 16 18:40:30 of course I'm using your thumb version Aug 16 18:40:34 I'm not sure what add-ons are compatible Aug 16 18:40:44 I haven't tried any Aug 16 18:40:54 I'm trying fennec ones Aug 16 18:41:07 actually, I think I did... Aug 16 18:41:12 I don't remember Aug 16 18:41:18 i.e. marked as compatible with fennec, exclusively. I remember it worked on ancient non-thumb versions for N900 Aug 16 18:41:45 well, maybe itms because Maemo as system doesnmt know how to handle those .xpi (or something) extension filea Aug 16 18:41:53 s/filea/files/ Aug 16 18:41:55 Estel_ meant: well, maybe itms because Maemo as system doesnmt know how to handle those .xpi (or something) extension files Aug 16 18:42:12 and fennec somehow catches it, and display own "can't open" pop-up? Aug 16 18:42:51 in such case, some kinf of manual install should work. Chromium in Easy Debian require unpacking extension and manual installation, no idea how to do it in Fennec Aug 16 18:43:11 Estel_: it should work as long as you have a compatible add-on version Aug 16 18:43:27 but, but, it doesn't even try to install it or open Aug 16 18:43:46 I'm pretty sure I got that far Aug 16 18:43:59 it just says that it can't open it, before actually trying. Maybe it works only, when You select add-on from Fennec menu - i.e. from few first results... Aug 16 18:44:17 but doesn't work if You select "show all xxx results" that open web-page with addons? Aug 16 18:44:22 yes, I'm pretty sure you have to do it through the install add-on screen Aug 16 18:45:11 hm, so need to tune my keywords for search to force it into showing me desired result amongst first few. Thanks Aug 16 18:45:32 and that thing about downloaded files location? any idea how to make it ask me where to save? Aug 16 18:46:21 good question nfc Aug 16 18:47:28 thanks, nevertheless :) I also have nfc about where it saves it automaticaly (will abuse find) Aug 16 18:48:19 fennec still amazes me, when it comes to lack of basic funcionalities. Thanks a lot for fixing this bastard, guys :) Aug 16 19:07:24 freemangordon, zeq, fennec segfaulting 100% times, when I change language from settings (from "auto" to "english"): Aug 16 19:07:25 http://sebsauvage.net/paste/?3d018112f9a5d25f#TXNXGjjUdX6bPZF6TMLETIXWbiZAJ6cfKvZ18pXbCL8= Aug 16 20:24:41 DocScrutinizer: You missed my previous convo, where I was advised to do so :) Aug 16 20:24:51 Anyway, solved my problem, bought a new N900 on ebay :P Aug 16 20:28:44 no, you missed my concise conclusion from all that and advise to you: reflash! Aug 16 20:30:26 the advise to disassemble N900 was done lightheaded, and no proper analysis of error pattern justified that advise Aug 16 20:31:02 s/vise/vice/g Aug 16 20:31:03 DocScrutinizer05 meant: the advice to disassemble N900 was done lightheaded, and no proper analysis of error pattern justified that advice Aug 16 20:32:14 actually your statement that charging from wallcharger still works kinda gives strong indications that you don't suffer from any hw problem Aug 16 20:44:54 (or your hw problem is actually not fixable, since it would be a broken musb-core then, since USB receptacle and PHY have to be ok for charging from wallcharger) Aug 16 20:46:26 hiya DocScrutinizer05 Aug 16 20:46:42 hi javispedro Aug 16 20:48:20 narcos: anyway, I'd love to buy your broken N900 ;-) Aug 16 20:48:51 i'll pay whatever DocScrutinizer05 pays plus 0.01€ Aug 16 20:50:26 don't trust kerio! Aug 16 20:50:49 he'll not act according to his words Aug 16 20:50:57 lies! Aug 16 20:51:10 he'll pay 0.005 instead of 0.01 Aug 16 20:51:19 it would still be convenient, mind you Aug 16 20:51:36 ok, how's that? narcos, 600EUR Aug 16 20:51:50 O.o Aug 16 20:52:00 i'll pay whatever DocScrutinizer05 *pays* Aug 16 20:52:02 I sell! I sell! Aug 16 20:52:20 javispedro: woosh? Aug 16 20:52:29 whooo $.$ ssshh Aug 16 20:52:29 javispedro: I'm waiting for kerio either to offer 600.01 or admit he's not honest Aug 16 20:53:26 if i admitted i'm not honest, would i be honest? Aug 16 20:53:51 no worries, you stay a dishonest dude Aug 16 20:53:54 ;-P Aug 16 20:55:09 unless I see narcos confirming a payment of 600.01EUR from you Aug 16 20:57:55 * DocScrutinizer05 idly ponders to sell a proper true diagnostics tool via OVI store or similar web based shop - rather than bantering kerio Aug 16 20:58:30 DocScrutinizer: Sorry, I feel like we're having a lagged convo here :) Didn't notice your reflash comment - think that's all I need? Aug 16 20:58:47 probably Aug 16 20:59:01 DocScrutinizer: Actually I'd already ordered the second N900 - by chance it arrived an hour after my existing one broke Aug 16 20:59:12 anyway, more likely than a hw fix to USB port Aug 16 20:59:39 someone's selling an N900 on tmo. US$100. /me is tempted Aug 16 20:59:41 So, kerio will buy it for EUR600,01? :) Aug 16 21:00:05 no, i said i'd pay 0.01 more than DocScrutinizer05 *paid* Aug 16 21:00:07 DocScrutinizer: Yeah I wasn't too convinced on the HW - physically it looked intact Aug 16 21:00:08 i'm waiting for him to pay Aug 16 21:00:13 heh, k Aug 16 21:00:18 hahaha Aug 16 21:00:29 * narcos emails DocScrutinizer PayPal details Aug 16 21:01:10 I never claimed *I* am honest. I just proved kerio isn't Aug 16 21:01:19 Not sure where you guys live - but I get N900's for between ?70 and ?100 on eBay. Aug 16 21:01:36 what currency is that? Aug 16 21:01:43 Great British Pounds Aug 16 21:02:03 sounds about right, for refurbished ones Aug 16 21:02:05 woah, mojibake Aug 16 21:02:07 ah.. weird that my N900 doesn't show those characters :/ Aug 16 21:02:11 narcos: lrn2utf8 Aug 16 21:02:21 £ <- gbp Aug 16 21:02:23 Sicelo: You're hanging out on IRC via your N900? Aug 16 21:02:25 £ Aug 16 21:02:32 ? <- weird shit with broken encoding Aug 16 21:02:41 narcos: sure, i do that all the time Aug 16 21:02:43 Ü? = ? Aug 16 21:02:49 err -Ü Aug 16 21:03:11 narcos: yes. i'm on N900. irssi running on a remote shell Aug 16 21:03:20 kerio: You must have nimble fingers :) Aug 16 21:03:26 who's not? Aug 16 21:03:31 ah right - I do screen + irssi too Aug 16 21:03:42 meh, i prefer xchat Aug 16 21:03:44 lol Aug 16 21:03:46 (with a bouncer, obviously) Aug 16 21:03:54 xchat FTW Aug 16 21:03:57 DocScrutinizer51: lol Aug 16 21:03:59 boucner, as in random proxy? Aug 16 21:04:14 * narcos uses xchat for quick chats, and irssii+screen for long term ;) Aug 16 21:04:18 as in ZNC Aug 16 21:04:24 bouncer as in ZNC, yes :) Aug 16 21:04:30 DocScrutinizer05: ctcp version gave it away? Aug 16 21:04:31 * Sicelo has xchat on the N900 too, but my connectivity sucks bad. shell is only way, i guess Aug 16 21:04:44 weird, ctcp version apparently goes to my current client Aug 16 21:04:46 and i never liked znc :\ Aug 16 21:04:54 znc is the shit Aug 16 21:05:42 well, what's better? Aug 16 21:05:49 i guess on a 'crippled' free shell, where you have a limit to how many znc users you're allowed to have .. irssi wins Aug 16 21:06:02 i'm using a friend's dual-core server Aug 16 21:06:13 if you have no limits, znc should be fine Aug 16 21:07:33 D'damn at Jaws followed by Rock III. Epic night for background TV. Aug 16 21:07:40 *Rocky Aug 16 21:07:52 freemangordon: ping? Aug 16 21:07:59 Sicelo: i just don't get why znc would be worse than irssi in that same situation Aug 16 21:10:00 Sicelo: ??? ??? ??? m?? Aug 16 21:10:03 kerio: znc is transparent to ctcp-version Aug 16 21:10:11 znc needs a separate user for each network you connect to so, if you have a limit to how many users you are allowed, that's automatically a limit to how many networks you can be on Aug 16 21:10:14 (that joke took far too long to construct) Aug 16 21:10:21 Sicelo: oh, i see Aug 16 21:10:25 meh, i'm only on freenode anyway Aug 16 21:11:02 Sicelo: oh? Aug 16 21:11:04 i'm on 6 networks :P Aug 16 21:11:47 DocScrutinizer05: a znc user is a bunch of server addresses and a channel list Aug 16 21:12:09 I'd think you easily could run 6 instances of ZNC under same user account, if not even znc itself can handle multiple networks now Aug 16 21:12:15 if you want to connect to multiple irc networks, you need multiple znc users Aug 16 21:12:28 Not with the latest versions. Aug 16 21:12:30 yeah but he's talking about lame free irc bouncers on the internet that steal your password Aug 16 21:12:35 GeneralAntilles: really? neat Aug 16 21:12:50 yeah, new version is better Aug 16 21:13:25 meh, i cba to recompile it Aug 16 21:13:34 flood protection *is* neat though Aug 16 21:13:42 it would allow me to start using stickychan again Aug 16 21:14:14 Do IRC bouncers support SSL? Aug 16 21:14:20 yep Aug 16 21:14:33 narcos: meh Aug 16 21:14:34 znc at least does Aug 16 21:14:41 use a ssh tunnel Aug 16 21:15:41 free irc bouncer? LOL Aug 16 21:16:08 IRC bouncers stealing passwords - makes me think of ToR exit nodes running sslstrip and dsniff Aug 16 21:17:52 dafaq!! Aug 16 21:18:28 o.O Aug 16 21:21:17 now who ran a DoS against me? Aug 16 21:21:35 possibly narcos :P Aug 16 21:22:41 weird Aug 16 21:23:27 Oi :P Aug 16 21:23:49 * narcos uses his botnets for good. Aug 16 21:24:21 how would that allow you to let freenode server silently drop my connection? Aug 16 21:25:03 Clear evidence it wasn't me. Aug 16 21:25:37 * DocScrutinizer05 has quit (Disconnected by services) Aug 16 21:25:59 BY SERVICES?????????? DAFAQ! Aug 16 21:26:25 :-| Aug 16 21:27:07 free irc bouncer? LOL Aug 16 21:28:14 hey, kerio got disconnected from his znc? Aug 16 21:29:41 nox-: was that related to any other activity? Aug 16 21:29:43 i still see him Aug 16 21:29:58 [2012-08-16 23:27:32] [CTCP] CTCP-VERSION-Antwort von kerio empfangen: ZNC 0.206 - http://znc.in. Aug 16 21:30:10 [2012-08-16 23:09:30] [CTCP] CTCP-VERSION-Antwort von kerio empfangen: X-Chat Aqua appstore-1.11.6-0-g0e7e6b7 (xchat 2.8.8-svn1511) Darwin 10.8.0 [i386/2.80GHz/SMP]. Aug 16 21:30:31 i have no idea... Aug 16 21:30:36 about other activities Aug 16 21:31:06 * DocScrutinizer05 wonders what might have upset services-bot Aug 16 21:34:11 anybody recalls what's the name of that services bot in here? Aug 16 21:34:55 GeneralAntilles: ^^^ Aug 16 21:35:33 DocScrutinizer05, the what now? Aug 16 21:36:03 the spy bot of freenet that sits in several chans and monitors for e.g. crossposts Aug 16 21:36:10 Oh, dunno. Aug 16 21:36:32 http://freenode.net/utilities.shtml says "eir" Aug 16 21:36:38 yeah Aug 16 21:36:40 thanks Aug 16 21:38:43 I'd pester #freenode staff if I wasn't that lazy Aug 16 21:38:49 heh Aug 16 21:39:03 Anyone have a Raspberry PI yet? Aug 16 21:39:51 Mine arrived last week - just finished writing Linux to an SD card. Time to tinker. Aug 16 22:10:25 Does anyone plug their N900 into a Mac? OSX seems to create a new network interface for the usb connection each time. Very annoying. Aug 16 22:11:08 narcos: lmgtfy Aug 16 22:11:10 "By default, the N900 sets a random MAC address for the USB interface every time you reboot. This makes some operating systems (Mac OS X) detect a new device whenever you connect the N900 and ask you to configure the network interface." Aug 16 22:33:04 vi: pong Aug 16 22:34:30 slowpong Aug 16 23:18:44 00h18 - that point when TV adverts turn into "Call me for a seksi time" Aug 16 23:19:15 (http://9gag.com/gag/1448501 sums my TV usage up) Aug 16 23:50:59 So, wlan injection drivers Aug 16 23:51:11 I've downloaded http://david.gnedt.eu/blog/wl1251/ Aug 16 23:51:23 But when I try load the drivers, I get this: Aug 16 23:51:33 Nokia-N900:~/wl1251-maemo# insmod compat.ko Aug 16 23:51:34 insmod: error inserting 'compat.ko': -1 Invalid module format Aug 16 23:51:53 That worked on my N900 that blew up earlier.... Aug 16 23:58:38 Make sure your kernel is the right one for the module Aug 17 00:04:59 robbiethe1st: Right you are Aug 17 00:06:24 Need to install the power-kernel Aug 17 01:06:05 1008/16 09:01PM twiner: 14I donno if level 3 would have to deal with that honestly01 Aug 17 01:06:08 woops Aug 17 01:06:42 http://www.garyjohnson2012.com/ Aug 17 02:06:45 To stay up until work starts, or catch a power nap... **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Aug 17 02:59:58 2012