**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Aug 31 03:00:00 2012 Aug 31 06:11:36 LaoLang_coo_: don't remove the battery, easy Aug 31 06:11:49 i mean, duh Aug 31 06:14:13 kerio, but I need to change battery when it runs out of the capacity Aug 31 06:21:26 swap them quickly then :) Aug 31 06:21:52 even if the bupbat is thoroughly fucked, there are still capacitors that will resist a second or two Aug 31 06:23:30 kerio, ok, I'm looking for another way :) Aug 31 06:26:50 \_o_/ Aug 31 06:26:58 my timezone is set correctly Aug 31 06:27:10 i mean, when i have to set the time Aug 31 06:27:25 at that point, i just tap "save" and then open gpsrecorder Aug 31 06:32:33 kerio, you are lucky Aug 31 06:34:19 i mean that theoretically of course Aug 31 06:34:27 my bupbat still works =D Aug 31 08:00:00 Estel_: btw, have you tried ~n900-full-reset to fix the charger silliness? Aug 31 08:17:11 ~n900-full-reset Aug 31 08:17:12 extra, extra, read all about it, n900-full-reset is when the user presses the PWRON (power-on) button for 8 seconds and removes the battery in the next 8 seconds, the TPS65950 enters NO SUPPLY state instead of BACKUP state, even if a valid backup battery is present. In such a situation, the backup domain registers are also reset, along with the VRRTC domain registers. Aug 31 08:17:52 good point, never tried it Aug 31 08:24:36 Hi all, since yesterday I have several times experienced problem with my n900, that SIM card was disconnected and message displayed about "all telephone functions disabled". It always happened (I think) when I was carrying the phone in pocket. Is it a known terminal bug with n9000s, or is it more likely just a bad SIM? Aug 31 08:24:36 s/terminal/fatal/ Aug 31 08:24:36 edheldil meant: Hi all, since yesterday I have several times experienced problem with my n900, that SIM card was disconnected and message displayed about "all telephone functions disabled". It always happened (I think) when I was carrying the phone in pocket. Is it a kno... Aug 31 08:25:16 that was really helpful, infobot :-D Aug 31 08:26:57 mine has the same problem Aug 31 08:27:02 edheldil: it may be just mechanical issue Aug 31 08:27:08 edheldil: of sim not making good contact Aug 31 08:27:15 some have had luck by carefully bending the pins upwards Aug 31 08:27:24 though, it may be problem with rapuyama Aug 31 08:27:27 some by folding a piece of apper and shoving it between the cover and the battery Aug 31 08:27:38 and some (like mine) it is a hardware issue Aug 31 08:27:39 :-/ Aug 31 08:27:49 you can check if you can get at interface to rapuyama when that happens Aug 31 08:28:19 rauyama? Aug 31 08:42:18 jacekowski: what's that? Aug 31 08:45:12 rapuyama is the actual phone in the n900 Aug 31 08:50:40 and how can I check that I can get to rapuyama? I might be able to test with multimeter's probes somewhere accessible, but that's about the extent of my options Aug 31 08:50:40 easily accessible Aug 31 08:51:45 atd Aug 31 08:51:47 iirc Aug 31 08:51:59 there is a command that allows you to get rapuyama AT interface Aug 31 08:52:09 and then you can check if it responds to at commands Aug 31 09:29:51 jacekowski: thanks Aug 31 10:03:20 pnatd Aug 31 10:04:03 then type (blind?) 'AT' and it shall answer 'OK' Aug 31 10:04:39 at+cfun? might help too Aug 31 10:04:55 showing current operating mode of rapu Aug 31 10:07:18 dafaq, my N900 has black screen :-/ Aug 31 10:08:18 Aug 31 12:06:04 IroN900 mce[814]: Error sending with reply to com.nokia.system_ui.request.tklock_close: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken. Aug 31 10:14:02 DocScrutinizer05 and Estel_ Aug 31 10:14:10 about your recent discussion Aug 31 10:14:21 for sure not the last one Aug 31 10:16:15 Estel_: "DocScrutinizer05, You're also warned officially. There actually is ongoing process of revieving Your mental ability to be chanop in *any* Maemo channel. Of cours,e due to your constaint threat of kick/ban/whatever pathetic, while You lsoe Your nerves during discussion. just for sake of your contributions to being chanop - get a deep breath, go for a walk..." ---> This is not true, there Aug 31 10:16:15 isn't any official process in progress to review chanop position of DocScrutinizer05 Aug 31 10:16:47 However, I must say that both of you are absolutely unpolite Aug 31 10:17:13 this is a discussion forum not a tavern Aug 31 10:17:57 DocScrutinizer05: "so I declare busybox-power as a ban'able subjext in this chan just for you" --> This threat is not fair Aug 31 10:18:33 Please chill out Aug 31 10:19:39 * Luke-Jr notes that X-Fade owns #maemo and DocScrutinizer05 owns #harmattan, and anyone else making threats regarding chanop status is just a power-grab. Aug 31 10:21:36 DocScrutinizer05: will try that next time it breaks, thank you Aug 31 10:22:32 Estel_: if you want to present any accusation about DocScrutinizer05 abusing chanop position you must send a message to Community mailing list instead of PM me Aug 31 10:23:23 Estel_ "well, for me it isn't, and higher authorities will investigate it - along with other evidence of DocScrutinizer05 abuse (which was already considered valid)." --> This is again an invalid assumption, you must present any allegation you consider in the open. Aug 31 10:24:53 ivgalvez: you can safely ignore all that, it's just because Estel_ doen't get how IRC works Aug 31 10:31:57 anyway I beg you all to relax a bit Aug 31 10:32:07 and lowdown the tone Aug 31 10:32:17 i see it's going on on all chans Aug 31 10:32:23 TMO and here :P Aug 31 10:33:06 i think some people should stop being childish and play idiotic games. Aug 31 10:34:42 and DocScrutinizer05 was kicking and banning people for few years (mostly threating), but he is ok with being chanop most times. so i think if it's only one person that has problems with him, as well as same person having and searching the problem with others. so it's not Doc a problem at all :) Aug 31 10:34:49 DocScrutinizer05: :-* Aug 31 10:34:52 ivgalvez, so, you preffer me to start flame war with irc logs aetc on mailing list... Aug 31 10:35:05 Instead of writing it to people with higher authority over maemo's irc? Aug 31 10:35:06 fair enough Aug 31 10:35:36 ivgalvez, if that's what You want, no problems, but I doubt that we need Council at all, if we need to do everything on our own, all the time. Aug 31 10:36:09 if You preffer it like that, i'll post it into mailing list - including Your explanation why You don't want to remove him from chanop *yet*. Aug 31 10:36:27 (quoted from PM's) Aug 31 10:36:39 I hardly feel it approriate, but You don't leave me other choice. Aug 31 10:36:45 ivgalvez ^^^ Aug 31 10:37:00 oh noooooooo Aug 31 10:37:25 Estel_ now you're going too far Aug 31 10:37:56 ivgalvez: i think the best way is just to grab popcorn :P Aug 31 10:38:08 I haven't said "I don't want to remove him from chanop yet" Aug 31 10:38:24 he made a fool of himself once, let him do it again Aug 31 10:40:03 Estel_ You are trying to conduct your personal war against DocScrutinizer05 for IRC power since the very first day you were selected for Council and you were told by the rest of the members to stop that and that you were trying to abuse your position Aug 31 10:40:38 ivgalvez, as far as I remember, my "personal war" was just like now - mentioning abuse and wanting to take official action about it Aug 31 10:40:41 now, You're councilor. Aug 31 10:41:08 if You write me, using Pm, one thing (about how you agree, but don't want to do it in hard times of tranformation), and come here, to write another things Aug 31 10:41:11 it's unfair, IMO Aug 31 10:41:22 if You're begging for transparency, i'll give it to You. Aug 31 10:41:44 now, you're trying to show me in bad light, ignoring our previous conversations. Aug 31 10:42:15 I told you that I thought it wasn't time, with such big challenges ahead, to start such a fight Aug 31 10:42:16 I acknowledge that for Council, Irc chanop management is totally rogue - i.e, it's left for people that have chanop now to do whatever they want, without any consequences. I'll hapilly comfort that with things you have written before Aug 31 10:42:26 should I quote?" Aug 31 10:42:47 the Council has no authority over the IRC channels, kthx Aug 31 10:42:53 not that I wanted to remove DocScrutinizer05 Aug 31 10:42:55 "It's always the same with this guy [ DocScrutinizer05 ], i'm bored with that". then, comes part about hard times. Aug 31 10:43:14 X-Fade told us, that he is willing to give Council rights over IRc management Aug 31 10:43:16 as he is founder Aug 31 10:43:20 leaving cooperation with Nokia. Aug 31 10:43:44 Estel_: BULLSHIT!!! that was referring to discussions about whatr can be included in CSSU and whatnot Aug 31 10:43:52 You know what? Leaving diplomacy aside, i'm tired of this bullshit, I can hapilly live with fucked up IRC stuffed with mad chanops, or without irc channel at all. Aug 31 10:44:01 sigh Aug 31 10:44:12 ivgalvez, OK - I'll post whole, unaltered PM's, for people to judge Aug 31 10:44:21 if Council doesn't want to touch it, it's not my problem, too Aug 31 10:44:39 just don't complaion, when people rise doubts about Council doing *any* thing, at all. Aug 31 10:45:04 what You have done here, is essentially and literally ensuring abusive chanop, that he will be left to do whatever he want. Aug 31 10:45:14 I'mtired of this bullshit enough, to declare this topic void and null in my personal book. Aug 31 10:45:19 that's also not true Aug 31 10:45:31 I'm not talking about intentions - just about results Aug 31 10:45:36 whatever, not my problem anyway Aug 31 10:45:47 I haven't give any abusive power to any one Aug 31 10:45:59 if only this one line would result in appropriate consequences taken Aug 31 10:46:20 yea, it's not Council responsibility. It's X-Fade. The problem is that he is LEAVING. even before that, he agreed to remove chanops, if asked by Council. Aug 31 10:46:29 if everyone around you are wrong, maybe the problem is you? Aug 31 10:46:33 incorrrect, learn2IRC Aug 31 10:46:43 Now, he wanted to cooperate with Council about give all administrative tools, which Council, of course, refused to accept - as with every thing that require responsibility Aug 31 10:46:44 protip: /cs help Aug 31 10:47:24 my problem with Council - Council doesn't want to take *any* responsibility about *anything* at all, ivgalvez. results:" everytrhing is left as rogue Aug 31 10:47:28 I.E. chan founder is primary responsible of a chan Aug 31 10:47:41 if official maemo's IRc channels are not Council responsibility, who the fuck is responsible for it? Aug 31 10:47:43 but hey, it Aug 31 10:47:46 founder is LEAVING Aug 31 10:47:51 X-Fade is founder Aug 31 10:47:55 he want to pass rights to Council Aug 31 10:47:58 |Council doesn't want to take it Aug 31 10:48:10 results - no one is maintaining it, DocScrutinizer05 and other pathetic egomaniacs are happy Aug 31 10:48:12 because council is changing Aug 31 10:48:12 topic closed Aug 31 10:48:15 see ya. Aug 31 10:48:18 and council is not community kings Aug 31 10:48:19 Estel_: you have the right to present any complaint for IRC management, I just told you I thought it wasn't the right moment because that would be harmful for the community Aug 31 10:48:26 's about estel_ phone, so it's to be ruled by him (or council), no matter if IRC, or repos, or admin of servers, or the sales price Aug 31 10:48:30 community is comunity and it worked like that for a long time Aug 31 10:48:40 and if you want to present a complain you must do it officially Aug 31 10:48:40 ivgalvez, sure. My opinion is that irc channels without anyone feeling responsible for it, is more harmful Aug 31 10:48:45 and as X-Fade gave doc chanop and doc still has it, there are reasons Aug 31 10:48:58 perfect, then ellaborate and send it to community mailibng list Aug 31 10:49:07 I did it officially, to people that i felt were responsible. It turned out, that those people are not responsible for *anything*. No problem - acknowledged Aug 31 10:49:16 but don't say that actions will be taken speaking for Council Aug 31 10:49:17 sure Aug 31 10:49:20 well Aug 31 10:49:37 Estel_: if you believe we're being egomaniacs about how me manage #maemo, try stepping a foot in #php, #gentoo or #linuxmint-* Aug 31 10:49:39 I wont forget to mention your PM's and explain, why I took them as declararation of taking care about problem. Aug 31 10:49:52 officially == pm'ed one of council's i know about my hard life at irc? Aug 31 10:50:22 Absolutely not, you know that Council is not in charge of naming anyone to be in charge of anything Aug 31 10:50:22 ZogG_laptop, while You're just trying to troll, I'll actually answer You - oficially = collected every situation of DocScrutinizer05 threating about abusing power without *any* real merit to do so... Aug 31 10:50:26 *sigh* Estel_ redefining IRC. May I suggest you /join #freenode and elaborate about it there? Aug 31 10:50:31 then, sending it to people that *sahould* be responsible about it Aug 31 10:50:51 it turned out that those people don't feel responsible for IRC - what a surprise Aug 31 10:50:52 Estel_ you know that Council can't be responsible of IRC Aug 31 10:50:53 so problem is closed Aug 31 10:51:00 ivgalvez, so who is? Aug 31 10:51:01 as we cannot be responsible of TMO Aug 31 10:51:02 teotwaki: meh, gentoo is not a good example :P i was banned there for a long time, as i just answered rude for someone i even didn't know on pm :P and after all i mostly helped people there :P Aug 31 10:51:16 ivgalvez, bullshit. X-Fade already declared that he is willing to work with Council about IRC Aug 31 10:51:20 it's Council who denied! Aug 31 10:51:38 status of Council refrains for that Aug 31 10:51:40 considering that X-Fade also declared he is leaving, it's just that Council leaves IRC on it's own. Aug 31 10:51:43 Estel_: officialy is maillist and not starting war on back in private pm as u did! So please... who is trolling Aug 31 10:51:44 we are just steering group Aug 31 10:51:45 ZogG_laptop: and I got banned from #gentoo because I thought an op was abusive, same thing on #php and #linuxmint, even though I always contributed positively Aug 31 10:51:53 ZogG_laptop, mailing list isn't authority governing IRC. Aug 31 10:52:03 Council is, in my book. Or was, as they denied :) Aug 31 10:52:05 Estel_: it's community comunication Aug 31 10:52:08 (I got banned from #linuxmint for asking why someone got kicked instead of devoiced) Aug 31 10:52:09 got problem with that, ZogG_laptop? Aug 31 10:52:24 teotwaki, nice story, wanna talk about it? Aug 31 10:52:35 Council cannot take ownership of TMO as well. It's the same than IRC Aug 31 10:52:39 Estel_: I'm good, Dr Freud, but thanks. Aug 31 10:52:44 otherwise, mentioning idiots on other channels, isn't good argument about idiots in our channel. Aug 31 10:52:44 NB Estel_ still hasn't managed to understand how IRC works, he's thinking x-fade is chan founder of #maemo-ssu (which is the chan we're talking about right now) Aug 31 10:52:48 it was enuf for you to aprove to get yurself device over maillist and now it's not official for irc? Aug 31 10:52:55 ivgalvez, so again, please answer Aug 31 10:52:57 Estel_: well, I could ban your arse and be done with this discussion. Aug 31 10:53:09 teotwaki: please do Aug 31 10:53:10 who is responsible over IRC, when X-Fade leaves, and Council denied to take "tools"? Aug 31 10:53:12 I mean, at least it would give you a reason to bitch and moan Aug 31 10:53:24 Estel_: your channel? your channel? it's community channel. it worked like that before you was here and would be after you go. Aug 31 10:53:26 not that you've ever needed a reason Aug 31 10:53:40 ivgalvez, I hope You gt question, as it was spammed already ;) Aug 31 10:53:54 X-Fade is administrator but he leaving doesn't make Council capable of taking ownership Aug 31 10:54:11 if anything, ownership should go back to GA Aug 31 10:54:15 Estel_: and till now i don't think people had problems with Doc and who did resolved it. for example i had problems with him, but i talked to him and we ok. Aug 31 10:54:17 because of Council responsibilities doesn¡t fit Aug 31 10:54:31 who I believe, was one of the chanowners, before we provided access to x-fade, just to prevent anyone in the community taking over and abusing it Aug 31 10:54:51 it's just Estel_ wants council to have all and than to be council again when there is all power all over mamemo :) Aug 31 10:55:12 Board of Directors (if voted) could have more responsibilities than Council Aug 31 10:55:12 well fuck it, he can have it for all I care Aug 31 10:55:16 ivgalvez, X-Fade wanted Council to take ownership. council refused. Aug 31 10:55:20 ivgalvez, You're avoiding question Aug 31 10:55:30 No, I'm responding Aug 31 10:55:31 I ask "who is responsible, if X-Fade leaves". Aug 31 10:55:38 teotwaki: actually gentoo got more rotten :P and many contributors and old-fags left. but you are welcome at funtoo btw. after it's drobbin's second child :P Aug 31 10:55:43 You're telling me who isn't responsible,. and I'm asking who IS responsible. Aug 31 10:55:43 That's a problem Aug 31 10:55:51 do you see subtle difference? Aug 31 10:55:56 Estel_ is concerned about IRC that he can live without ;-P Aug 31 10:56:04 the same with servers and all Maemo related stuff Aug 31 10:56:06 I don't want to hear from Council "it's not our problem", I want to hear how You would like to solve this problem. Aug 31 10:56:24 By-laws Aug 31 10:56:34 but they must be approved Aug 31 10:56:44 Estel_: owner is owner, but it's also team of people who worked here for a while, they were chanops for a long time and it worked fine Aug 31 10:56:53 then there will be legal entity capable of taking actions Council can't Aug 31 10:56:53 ivgalvez, do you realize that irc management is a mess in total? for example, maemo-ssu wasn't founded by X-Fade (but he ensured, that he could take ownership without problems, from freenode) Aug 31 10:57:08 if Council don't want to fix this mess, who shall? ivgalvez? Aug 31 10:57:18 dude Aug 31 10:57:21 Estel_: are you irc cop? Aug 31 10:57:27 there's what, 6 people on #maemo-ssu? Aug 31 10:57:37 the number of idlers in #maemo is dwindling by the day Aug 31 10:57:48 give it another year, and the channel will be dead Aug 31 10:57:49 teotwaki: it's 50 on #maemo-ssu Aug 31 10:57:55 and why maemo-ssu should be councilors as well? Aug 31 10:57:56 What happened here? :O Aug 31 10:58:04 the chan was made by cssu creators Aug 31 10:58:09 MrPingu, as ussual ;P Aug 31 10:58:12 Nokia never had a say in CSSU Aug 31 10:58:18 while they did it alone (started CSSU) Aug 31 10:58:18 that was the whole fucking point of CSSU Aug 31 10:58:22 Nokia is out of the picture AFAIK Aug 31 10:58:34 so why would X-Fade have had anything to do with CSSU channel ownership? Aug 31 10:58:51 #Maemo-SSU is owned by DocScrutinizer05 and MohammadAG Aug 31 10:58:54 #maemo was never a legal representation of the community Aug 31 10:59:07 tetwaki - because it steps in Maemo's community thing, and X-Fade though that Council is actually elected by community for a reason Aug 31 10:59:28 But x-fade has never taken any administrative steps in the channel Aug 31 10:59:30 Estel_: elected to rule? Aug 31 10:59:37 well, while some of the more reasonable teach about IRC here, and try to convince Estel_ to take his pills, I have a daywork to pursue Aug 31 10:59:40 is it kingdom? Aug 31 10:59:41 bbl Aug 31 10:59:42 his ownership equated to basically, us telling him who to add to the operator lists Aug 31 10:59:48 considering that X-Fade - just like me - though that Council want to be responsible about *anything*, he wanted to claim ownership of maemo-ssu too, if Council ask for it Aug 31 11:00:10 Estel_: ^ Aug 31 11:00:19 Estel_: it would sucks if people like you would have all powers Aug 31 11:00:21 Estel_: X-Fade has no authority in #Maemo-SSU Aug 31 11:00:34 teotwaki, saw it. Well, I said it's a mess - especially, considering freenode rules about projects Aug 31 11:00:34 neither do freenode staff for that matter Aug 31 11:00:39 than i bet you'll ban more, we saw how u talk when u was council :P Aug 31 11:00:50 and i bet your actuon wouldn't differ Aug 31 11:00:53 Estel_, jsut a summary: Council is just steering group for the community, doesn't have real powers, no matter what X-Fade, you or any other could think about it. It wouldn't be legal nor moral to claim Council ownership over any Maemo resources Aug 31 11:00:57 Luke-Jr, he would have authority if he wanted too, read freenode rulews about channel names Aug 31 11:01:16 ivgalvez, currently, Council isn't any steering group, as it doesn't want to .take *any* problems Aug 31 11:01:23 Estel_: is there a GRF in place? Aug 31 11:01:41 Coding Competition got promised voting mechanism, but it isn't going to happen? councilor answered "fuck you" using prettier words Aug 31 11:01:42 to avoid the void that Nokia and Nemein are leaving we propose to form a new Community via By-laws Aug 31 11:01:44 aka "do it yourself" Aug 31 11:01:50 there is problem with abusive chanop? Aug 31 11:01:51 in any case, Nokia is no longer involved in Maemo. Aug 31 11:01:59 Estel_: if you want, it takes me 20s to rename the channel to ##maemo Aug 31 11:02:08 "sorry, we're not authority. there is no authority over IRC channels, currently> thank you, yours Council" Aug 31 11:02:16 ivgalvez: it's ok i think as well meegoexperts, n9-apps maemos.ru and other sites should be transfered for council administration. I think elop should report daily to council as well Aug 31 11:02:22 teotwaki: don't bother, the channel's old enough to be grandfathered in Aug 31 11:02:31 teotwaki: and there is no official Maemo entity really anymore Aug 31 11:02:37 ivgalvez, bylaws is one thing, but managing what is under Community (represented by Council) responsibility NOW is another Aug 31 11:02:37 I know that Aug 31 11:02:41 just making a point Aug 31 11:02:54 x-fade taking over #maemo-ssu would require him to actually WANT to do that Aug 31 11:02:54 basically, you're telling us that until bylaws got accepted, You won't lift single finger to help with any problem Aug 31 11:02:57 teotwaki: oh, i think you are one of the freenode people, aren't you :P Aug 31 11:03:09 ZogG_laptop: nope Aug 31 11:03:24 teotwaki = crashanddie Aug 31 11:03:25 he's probably also not amused to hear "Jump!" from this mad guy Aug 31 11:03:28 teotwaki: so how would you rename? Aug 31 11:03:35 ivgalvez, it's basically leaving everything to work on it's own,. before bylaws are accepted and foundation created. I.e "full wild life" and totally rogue. Aug 31 11:03:56 Estel_: your "bylaws" have no relevance to IRC either Aug 31 11:03:59 Estel_: it's been "full wild life" before that aswell Aug 31 11:04:00 my bylaws? Aug 31 11:04:01 ZogG_laptop: op myself, setup automated redirect to ##maemo, kick everyone Aug 31 11:04:05 how it's mine? 0_o? Aug 31 11:04:07 Luke-Jr: teotwaki both nicks familiur. i think from gentoo and as well here i had chat with him but it was few years ago Aug 31 11:04:18 Estel_: because I ignore them Aug 31 11:04:28 well technically X-Fade could be able to take over #maemo-ssu thanks to freenode policy about project names but why would he want to, and even if he did what stops us from using another name? Aug 31 11:04:48 merlin1991: it;s all about power games Aug 31 11:05:04 it's about Estel_ redefining IRC Aug 31 11:05:11 and taking lessons Aug 31 11:05:17 merlin1991: it's like that u do all the work and that only few people started it while most jsut only use, the elite should control you. Aug 31 11:05:21 "Inferior Rebel Chat" Aug 31 11:05:38 the Council only represents those who choose to recognize it as as representing them. Aug 31 11:05:39 like in soviet russia :P when they said to sientist what to do and no creativity otherwise you are dead Aug 31 11:06:39 DocScrutinizer05: it's not only IRC, he is teaching council on TMO what to do with voting system and people, how not to ask rudely questiont to council Aug 31 11:07:02 haha, while he is as rude as it gets Aug 31 11:07:29 oh and Estel_, for the record, Doc and I were more abusive as mods on TMO than we ever were on IRC. Aug 31 11:07:51 when's the last complaint regarding abusive op on #maemo been? Aug 31 11:08:20 Estel_ the same than IRC applies to TMO. Actual administrator is Reggie and there are moderators, you could have whatever grief with any moderator you want to but Council won't be able to do anything about it. TMO administration can't be handed to Council by any means, the same applies to IRC. Board of Directors however will be able to receive permissions over TMO and promote a process to select Aug 31 11:08:20 administrators. Aug 31 11:08:22 when the hell has there been a kick, recently? Aug 31 11:08:53 ivgalvez, so, basically, we're putting lights off... Aug 31 11:08:58 when reggie leaves, and X-FadE? Aug 31 11:09:13 sure, IRc will work on it's own ;) Aug 31 11:09:16 Estel_: in terms of IRC? Yes. No lights are needed. Aug 31 11:09:19 its own** Aug 31 11:10:11 ivgalvez, it isn't a stance that I would expect from elected Maemo's Council. anyway, continuing this discussion doesn't make any sense Aug 31 11:10:26 teotwaki: have you seen The Office? Aug 31 11:10:46 We are not putting lights off we are preparing the transformation in a legal entity capable of handling such things Aug 31 11:10:46 Estel_: this discussion makes plenty of sense, you don't. Aug 31 11:10:54 I thing I'm stuffed up enough with all this bullshit about no one wanting to take responsibility about anything. I understand, why both developers and old-time users are getting frustrated. Aug 31 11:11:00 Estel_: if you want to be an abusive ego-driven douche, just admit it. Aug 31 11:11:03 teotwaki, well, you're free to have such opinion, of course. Aug 31 11:11:16 But don't go making up stories about "But what if the owners leave?" Aug 31 11:11:17 That's what Council is Aug 31 11:11:28 nothing more Aug 31 11:11:33 Estel_: who is those devs and old-users? Aug 31 11:11:36 Do you honestly believe that x-fade wouldn't take two minutes to transfer ownership to GA, or Jaffa? Aug 31 11:11:39 all i'mtrying to point out is that, following current interpretation by ivgalvez, chanops can do whatever shit they want, because no one is responsible for them. Aug 31 11:11:53 Estel_: actually, you're wrong. Aug 31 11:12:13 but thatt's not my problem, after all, and I have wasted enough "breath" (clicks) for that topic, already Aug 31 11:12:26 teotwaki: GA is chaop and it's not related :P Aug 31 11:12:51 Estel_: if I cross the line, anyone in the community can tell me to fuck off, and any person in the /cs access list could go to freenode and have me removed. Aug 31 11:12:55 I just hope that such inability to coordinate and maintain *anything* - from Council - won't hurt Maemo's Community, making most important devs and dedicated users to leave. Aug 31 11:12:58 End of message ;) Aug 31 11:13:09 Estel_: i think you can go to #abuse and #help channels :P Aug 31 11:13:17 The Council has been a joke for ages Aug 31 11:13:28 it's the most official freenode thing u can get here :P Aug 31 11:14:34 teotwaki: i didn't followed their actions too much but as see some members who was council on all times, they were contributors (not relevant of being council or not) Aug 31 11:16:38 teotwaki: now the most annoying thing, as how do i know u as i know bth your nicks Aug 31 11:16:56 teotwaki: was u op on gentoo as well before ? Aug 31 11:17:31 No, but I hung out on the -ops channel Aug 31 11:17:47 i think u may be the one who unbanned me or helped to be unbanned :P Aug 31 11:17:58 ah, might be Aug 31 11:18:17 teotwaki: than thanks again :P Aug 31 11:19:34 Estel_: I'm serious though, if you want to ego-trip and get ownership of the channel, just go ahead and say it. Aug 31 11:20:03 But don't pretend you're doing it for "the greater good". Aug 31 11:20:12 teotwaki: he'll ban everyone than :P Aug 31 11:20:36 As I said, it's ruins already, not like there's much to manage. Aug 31 11:20:46 at the end it would be Estel_ freenode owner :P Aug 31 11:24:40 * Jaffa sees his name, reads scrollback and decides to avoid the conversation. Aug 31 11:26:17 Jaffa: you bastard, I didn't even know you were here Aug 31 11:26:31 Jaffa: anyway, tl;dr: You'll get channel ownership in coming days/weeks. Aug 31 11:27:01 or at the very least, you'll be marked as a successor Aug 31 11:27:08 don't scare Jaffa, Do you think he would like all this mess? Aug 31 11:27:31 oh so now you speak, but my direct questions you ignore? Aug 31 11:27:50 sorry teotwaki, was involved in more constructive discussion about busybox-power in cssu Aug 31 11:27:59 could you quote it? too much noise in channel Aug 31 11:28:08 (teotwaki) Estel_: I'm serious though, if you want to ego-trip and get ownership of the channel, just go ahead and say it. Aug 31 11:28:09 (teotwaki) But don't pretend you're doing it for "the greater good". Aug 31 11:28:16 pure sophism. Aug 31 11:28:43 I mentioned abusive chanops, you mention that there are abusive chanops on other channels too. I mentioned that it's bad for community, you're telling us that irc will be empty soon anyway Aug 31 11:28:58 it's clear that you jsut don't care, so You're, probably, enjoying all that mess Aug 31 11:29:00 ok, when was the latest op abuse? Aug 31 11:29:04 but there are people who care, you know? Aug 31 11:29:16 teotwaki, go and read chanlog Aug 31 11:29:22 no, you tell me. Aug 31 11:29:29 You say that one of the reasons is op abuse, give me dates. Aug 31 11:29:30 if you're involving Yourself in this discussion, you should be aware wehat You're discussing about Aug 31 11:29:31 [2012-08-31 13:26:06] *** merlin1991 hat Estel_ aus dem Kanal geworfen (Der Kindergarten ist woanders!). Aug 31 11:29:37 unles syou're doing it for pure shit'n'giggles fun Aug 31 11:29:42 ^^^ latest "abuse" Aug 31 11:29:50 bullshit, as abuse was about You. Aug 31 11:29:58 anyway, time to improve ignore filters Aug 31 11:30:11 definitelly too much time wasted for all this shit, already. Aug 31 11:30:13 correct, let's filter it for the whole community Aug 31 11:30:37 teotwaki, Yor only argument is that we don't need to do anything, as community will disappear soon,a nd you don't care anyway Aug 31 11:30:43 hardly a partner for discussion, is You ask me Aug 31 11:30:48 happy trolling, i'm out. Aug 31 11:30:54 * DocScrutinizer05 suggests opening a #estel_ channel, much more effective Aug 31 11:31:26 Now that's more effective. Aug 31 11:31:35 indeed Aug 31 11:31:45 For the record, I'll remove the ban in 10 minutes or so. Aug 31 11:32:28 good, since I won't Aug 31 11:32:50 I've been asked not to administer estel_ in this chan anymore ;-P Aug 31 11:33:00 fair enough Aug 31 11:34:24 :P Aug 31 11:36:37 after all this privilige he is still whinning? Aug 31 11:37:05 i barely saw people were banned on this chan for about 3 years :P Aug 31 11:37:22 ZogG_laptop: +1 Aug 31 11:37:27 he worked hard to own it Aug 31 11:37:30 only bots and stuff Aug 31 11:37:36 s/own/earn/ Aug 31 11:37:36 DocScrutinizer05 meant: he worked hard to earn it Aug 31 11:37:39 btw it's time to take cloak of council from estel Aug 31 11:38:15 doc kicked me once or twice but i asked for it, literally :P Aug 31 11:38:41 I think the two people I kicked the most out of this channel were MohammadAG, qwerty12 and lcuk. Aug 31 11:38:53 me needs to study math again, 2 != 3. Aug 31 11:38:56 teotwaki: why would u kick them? Aug 31 11:39:09 I don't remember Aug 31 11:39:13 Fun, mainly. Aug 31 11:39:23 and qwerty12 was here, i missed him here or i didn't pay attentiion to him than Aug 31 11:39:36 ~seen qwerty12 Aug 31 11:39:38 qwerty12 <~qwerty12@31.185.237.96> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 266d 17h 57m 59s ago, saying: '?'. Aug 31 11:39:51 woah Aug 31 11:39:54 less than a year ago? Aug 31 11:39:57 :( Aug 31 11:40:12 teotwaki: Fuck you, you never kicked me this month Aug 31 11:40:13 I feel forgotten Aug 31 11:40:19 teotwaki: qwerty is one who shouted door when he left with closed source controls for n900? Aug 31 11:40:31 Bahahaha Aug 31 11:40:40 PS3 YouTube app causes burn in Aug 31 11:40:53 MohammadAG: like real burn? Aug 31 11:40:54 LOL Aug 31 11:40:57 MohammadAG: you haven't deserved your kick this month. Aug 31 11:41:09 MohammadAG: don't say u missed my wazapp msg again :P Aug 31 11:41:18 ZogG_laptop: I replied to it Aug 31 11:41:23 ZogG_laptop: yeah, he shovelled some dirt while leaving, he apologised for most of it, though. Aug 31 11:41:30 teotwaki: You said that last month! Aug 31 11:41:35 MohammadAG: than i missed it. i just thought u would like to see it Aug 31 11:41:55 teotwaki: meh, i mean the encrypted msg to nokia in his deb Aug 31 11:42:06 ZogG_laptop: no idea Aug 31 11:42:08 and i miss lcuk Aug 31 11:42:09 ZogG_laptop: then != than Aug 31 11:42:21 chem|st: i keep making mistakes with that Aug 31 11:42:25 MohammadAG: I've not seen any commits, either, you selfish little plump. Aug 31 11:42:37 who != whom too! Aug 31 11:42:49 chem|st: at least not your you're and there their Aug 31 11:43:03 ZogG_laptop: "10 is more than 9", "we went to the shops, and then we went home" Aug 31 11:43:06 teotwaki: Wait, when you gave me access you didn't want me to sell it? Aug 31 11:43:21 MohammadAG: eh? Aug 31 11:43:28 Just kidding :p Aug 31 11:43:35