**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Sep 03 03:00:00 2012 Sep 03 07:57:30 Who know - how to set dmesg to booting on n900? Sep 03 08:26:03 DocScrutinizer05: nope Sep 03 10:28:31 yay, my N900 is finally fixed :) Sep 03 10:38:09 hello Sep 03 10:38:18 my custom kernel cant boot Sep 03 11:59:46 stardiviner: install bash4, look at Sep 03 11:59:49 ~jrtools Sep 03 11:59:50 rumour has it, jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Sep 03 12:02:56 ~tell stardiviner about messybox Sep 03 12:05:50 DocScrutinizer05: thanks Sep 03 12:06:11 DocScrutinizer05: hm, differences between bash and bash4? Sep 03 12:06:34 see changelog Sep 03 12:07:01 I think mainly background processes in scripts Sep 03 12:07:39 help coproc Sep 03 12:08:24 meh Sep 03 12:08:32 i'm fine with bash (3) on my n900 Sep 03 12:08:46 and my laptop, too Sep 03 12:09:05 my debian sid server has bash4 though Sep 03 12:29:29 kerio: actually my N900 also has bash3 Sep 03 12:31:09 and t900 even still has 2.05b.0(1)-release Sep 03 12:31:54 which still has proper help, unlike the 3.2.33(2)-release on IroN900 Sep 03 13:48:39 DocScrutinizer05: yeah, the lack of help kinda sucks :c Sep 03 14:12:56 kerio: I pondered preparing a dead simple shellscript executable named "help" Sep 03 14:13:31 just lacking input which I had to pick somewhere from sourcecode I guess Sep 03 14:14:01 (I don't think recycling help output from bash2 is a smart idea) Sep 03 14:14:37 NFC who thought it's clever to leave help out of bash3 build :-( Sep 03 14:16:10 sure, save 5k helptext string consts in bash3, while bloating busybox-power by 500k. After all bash can happily live on /opt while busybox has TB to waste on / Sep 03 14:16:11 DocScrutinizer05: it's to save rootfs space! :D Sep 03 14:16:26 besides, is bash optified? Sep 03 14:16:33 it should Sep 03 14:16:36 (and bash4 does indeed have help) Sep 03 14:16:38 nfc if it is Sep 03 14:16:45 (and it's not optified) Sep 03 14:16:52 (the help files are in /usr/share/bash) Sep 03 14:16:59 well, you always can optify manually Sep 03 14:17:06 we got even tools for that Sep 03 14:17:16 and screw over dpkg in the process? Sep 03 14:17:58 kerio: it doesn't really matter, I seem to remember it uses hardlinks, so dpkg doesn't notice. Sep 03 14:18:07 >hardlinks Sep 03 14:18:09 >over filesystems Sep 03 14:18:12 wtfamireading.jpg Sep 03 14:18:29 kerio: I may be mistaken, but I've used it for a long time, never had issues Sep 03 14:18:42 osso-optify-whatever.sh, right? Sep 03 14:18:52 I think so, yeah. Sep 03 14:19:28 /usr/sbin/maemo-optify-make-mountbind.sh /usr/sbin/maemo-optify-firstboot.sh /usr/sbin/maemo-optify-auto-opt.sh /usr/sbin/maemo-optify-lib.sh Sep 03 14:20:40 apart from the moundbinding, do those do more than mv+ln? Sep 03 14:20:42 one of them even has several lines of "howto" comment Sep 03 14:22:00 damn, the n900's wifi powersaving is *really* aggressive Sep 03 14:23:39 # Copyright: (C) 2010 Nokia Sep 03 14:23:40 # License: DO WHAT YOU WANT TO PUBLIC LICENSE Sep 03 14:23:45 oh lawds Sep 03 14:24:03 head -n 18 /etc/maemo-optify-auto-opt.conf Sep 03 14:26:23 neat Sep 03 14:26:24 :D Sep 03 14:27:15 what is a package supposed to do, btw? Sep 03 14:27:24 manually put stuff in /opt/ or use that? Sep 03 14:28:05 nfc Sep 03 14:28:53 anyway I guess you may safely append a few lines for bash to /etc/maemo-optify-auto-opt.conf Sep 03 14:28:58 yeah, yeah Sep 03 14:29:13 echo / >>/etc/maemo-optify-auto-opt.conf Sep 03 14:30:15 hm, what makes the bindmounts for python? Sep 03 14:30:24 and *why*? Sep 03 14:30:50 oh, pymaemo-optify in /etc/init.d Sep 03 14:37:04 DocScrutinizer05: ooh, a way to do that could be to add dpkg diverts Sep 03 14:37:11 but you still have to make the symlinks manually Sep 03 14:40:07 afaik there's never been any "official definition" on how to use optification. so some pkgs (e.g. alarmed) hape binaries sitting in /opt/*/*/* and no symlink at all from anywhere inside $PATH to that binary Sep 03 14:40:44 while others probably create symlinks by their own, and yet others might use maemo-optify* Sep 03 14:41:03 well, of the ones that i ever installed, only liqbase added something to maemo-optify*.conf Sep 03 14:41:13 and of course maemo chess and some other stupid stuff Sep 03 14:41:35 no surprise, since ,ae,o-optify* been developed by lcuk, like liqbase Sep 03 14:41:45 maemo-optify* Sep 03 14:42:02 anyway, dpkg diverts are resistant to package upgrades/removals Sep 03 14:42:19 and if you have to put a dpkg-indexed file somewhere else, you should use those Sep 03 14:42:28 dpkg powah! Sep 03 14:42:50 sorry, can't parse Sep 03 14:43:13 or rather, wtf is a dpkg-indexed file? Sep 03 14:43:25 a file that dpkg knows of Sep 03 14:43:29 because it was installed by a package Sep 03 14:43:31 and why do you have to put it somewhere? and how are you supposed to use it? Sep 03 14:43:41 because you want to optify it Sep 03 14:43:52 and the original package writer sucks Sep 03 14:44:02 *package maintainer Sep 03 14:44:20 still don't get it Sep 03 14:44:32 nfc what you're suggesting Sep 03 14:44:36 instead of using the silly maemo-optify-* or manually moving and symlinking Sep 03 14:44:46 you make a dpkg diversion and then symlink Sep 03 14:45:03 mhm, I make a dpkg diversion Sep 03 14:45:11 because at that point dpkg knows that every time a package wants to install something in the initial directory, it has to put them where you decided Sep 03 14:45:49 actually nevermind Sep 03 14:45:51 now if you'd bother to elaborate on 2make dpkg diversion", I actually might profit from your info shared Sep 03 14:45:55 you can't divert directories Sep 03 14:47:15 I guess that's where symlinks and maemo-optify* come in Sep 03 14:47:51 dpkg-divert --divert /opt/manual-optification-yo/bigassfile --rename /usr/path/to/bigassfile Sep 03 14:48:53 iirc there's been a suggested way to automatically optify stuff when building in SB Sep 03 14:49:31 like "touch please-optify" Sep 03 14:50:21 of course it's questionable why bash lives in / Sep 03 14:50:41 because bash is the shit Sep 03 14:50:52 also login shell Sep 03 14:50:55 you only would want to keep it in / if you were mad enough to use it as default init shell Sep 03 14:51:49 login shell is not mandatorily living in / Sep 03 14:52:19 since to login you evidently need a system that kinda booted up to full X and connectivity Sep 03 14:52:53 which means /opt is available at that point in time Sep 03 14:53:18 (btw same applies for busybox-power) Sep 03 14:54:38 to be fair busybox-power is only good for the extra commands (which can be linked to a busybox living in /opt and for the extra stuff in the commands that are already there Sep 03 14:55:17 (the reason I frown on replacing space-conserving busybox that *has* to live in rootfs by busybox-power that is clearly targeted at interactive thus login-shell and ergo _should_ get optified and NOT waste precious space in rootfs) Sep 03 14:56:37 and because it adds options to builtin commands Sep 03 15:06:11 if distro maintainers had groked the difference between /bin and /usr/bin (same for sbin) and strictly moved all binaries needed during early boot to /(s)bin where they belong, we could've done with optification by simply moving /usr to /opt (the full picture is a tad more complex due to /us/lib etc, but basically it's been Nokia fscking up then instead of fixing their mess invented optification). Oh well, seems I posted that years ago, Sep 03 15:06:12 in Sep 03 15:06:15 ~optification Sep 03 15:06:15 optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the systeminit *and* partitioning is FUBAR, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish they looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 dot3" Sep 03 15:09:31 DocScrutinizer05: why didn't maemo 5 run directly from eMMC? Sep 03 15:48:02 ~m32g Sep 03 15:48:09 no, dammit Sep 03 15:48:13 ~m5g32 Sep 03 15:48:25 hrmpf Sep 03 15:49:58 ~m32gb Sep 03 15:49:58 i guess m32gb is https://code.launchpad.net/~pali/+junk/maemo_M32GB Sep 03 16:33:09 what is this M32GB? Sep 03 16:41:57 hmm, nice Sep 03 16:59:27 Sicelo: yeah, it's kinda neat Sep 03 17:06:10 hmm Sep 03 17:07:10 I'd much prefer a proper bootable image and a entry in uBoot, rather than a pivotroot from stock maemo Sep 03 17:07:13 indeed Sep 03 17:07:39 otoh, an entry in uBoot would require the appropriate modules Sep 03 17:08:45 btw look into preinit, you'll be surprised to find similar legacy from maemo4 to pivotroot from initrd to nand rootfs Sep 03 17:09:05 fucking hysterical raisins Sep 03 17:09:38 eeeeek PANIC!! Sep 03 17:10:30 * DocScrutinizer51 idly wonders if google pictures would yield good hits for "hysterical raisins" Sep 03 17:12:56 meh! I got the weird habit to click that yellow ! in status always when I'm away from home Sep 03 17:12:59 DocScrutinizer51: just call the standard fremantle install a bootloader :D Sep 03 17:13:30 hm? Sep 03 17:14:25 so, keep HAM open now, close, or actually update marble? Sep 03 17:14:33 DocScrutinizer51: yes Sep 03 17:14:47 ok Sep 03 17:21:28 DocScrutinizer51: btw, why are you using HAM? Sep 03 17:21:31 >:D Sep 03 17:21:52 also, my calibration script worked Sep 03 17:22:02 (bq27k calibration) Sep 03 17:39:03 Heya. Am trying to install the kernel for power users, but it cant find package "kernel-power" and googling gives someone's IRC logs but no answers..... any ideas greatly appreciated. Sep 03 17:39:50 enable extras-devel, apt-get install kernel-power-flasher Sep 03 17:39:59 kerio: KP50 is in extras Sep 03 17:40:14 no need to enable extras devel Sep 03 17:40:29 I tried that, didnt work. Sep 03 17:41:15 CaveyCoUk: what "didn't work" exactly means? Sep 03 17:41:41 Sorry. It didn't solve my problem, kept giving teh same problem Sep 03 17:42:07 CaveyCoUk: and the problem is? Sep 03 17:43:45 When I try to install kernel-power-flasher it complains that it cant find the kernel-power package Sep 03 17:44:26 hmm, do you have maemo-extras enabled? Sep 03 17:44:41 Yes, but I just realised I have two of them Sep 03 17:45:00 Two pointing to http:repository.maemo.org/extras Sep 03 17:45:15 funny Sep 03 17:45:16 One has a blank distribution, the other "freemantle-1.3" Sep 03 17:45:29 Any idea which is correct? Sep 03 17:45:53 lemme check Sep 03 17:45:59 Thank you Sep 03 17:52:51 see, this time you had to wait is one of the reasons HAM sucks Sep 03 17:53:18 CaveyCoUk: "fremantle" Sep 03 17:53:19 kerio: no, I just have some other things to do ;) Sep 03 17:53:26 not sure if fremantle-1.3 works too Sep 03 17:53:34 CaveyCoUk: fremantle-1.3 Sep 03 17:53:44 really? :o Sep 03 17:53:52 yes Sep 03 17:53:52 <[CaveyCoUk]> Thanks Sep 03 17:54:35 <[CaveyCoUk]> Just tarted trial and error Sep 03 17:55:07 <[CaveyCoUk]> Seems disabling extras-testing means there is no more error Sep 03 17:57:17 Guess it is time to start the sweepstake on how long til I brick my phone.... Sep 03 18:00:35 Thank you very much freemangordon Sep 03 18:00:51 CaveyCoUk: is it ok now? Sep 03 18:02:13 Its installed and rebooted, so I can at least move on to installing the next bits. Sep 03 18:02:58 It looks like it was some sort of conflict between different application catalogues resulting in a package being unavailable, which is odd :\ Sep 03 18:16:06 My connection is being flakey, so am gonna scoot. Thanks again. Sep 03 18:23:30 * Sicelo still wonders wtf his N900 just bombs out on Pali's u-boot+bootmenu combo Sep 03 18:30:00 why is bootmenu related to uboot? Sep 03 18:30:54 this one, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81613 Sep 03 18:31:02 NIN101: does the kernel in rescue-os have the thumb2 errata workaround patched in? Sep 03 18:31:35 re:thumb2, i doubt Sep 03 18:31:56 i was afraid of that, yeah Sep 03 18:34:38 i really like this uboot/bootmenu combo, if only it would work for me :( Sep 03 18:40:44 Can anyone tell me how can I make hildon_picker_dialog disappear after first change? Sep 03 18:43:17 yo vi_ Sep 03 18:43:24 freemangordon needs a n950 screen Sep 03 18:57:50 kerio: are you mad? why woulod you need thumb patch in rescue-os? Sep 03 18:58:24 DocScrutinizer06: chroot? Sep 03 18:58:30 a wild guess Sep 03 18:58:33 pff Sep 03 18:58:43 that's not what rescue-os is meant for Sep 03 18:58:51 DocScrutinizer06: ok Sep 03 18:58:52 :) Sep 03 18:59:44 what is it meant for? Sep 03 19:00:01 I however could see a problem for users planning to run binaries from their borked original system in resue-os environment Sep 03 19:00:19 if those binaries are thumb-compiled Sep 03 19:00:21 kerio: no it doesn't Sep 03 19:00:52 NIN101: yeah, i thought so :( Sep 03 19:03:16 * DocScrutinizer06 idly wonders if a lib.so can modify own symbol table, just by writing new values to pointer associated to random-function() symbol Sep 03 19:04:20 or is the symbol table "static" and just loaded to non-writable RAM when randomlib.so gets loaded? Sep 03 19:05:11 DocScrutinizer06: well, aren't libraries shared between binaries? Sep 03 19:05:21 sure Sep 03 19:05:35 that's the idea of sHAREDoBJECT Sep 03 19:06:22 wouldn't stuff break if a library could change itself? Sep 03 19:06:28 or is it copy-on-write? Sep 03 19:06:34 but this sharing is done by processes resp ld.so opening the library via dlopen() Sep 03 19:07:28 before ld.so resolves/links references to symbols in lib.so for $binary, the lib.so gets loaded and _init of the lib gets executed Sep 03 19:07:57 in _init the library could do some initialization stuff (you probably have guessed that yet) Sep 03 19:08:25 incl changing the addr pointer associated to a symbol in symbol table Sep 03 19:08:54 so is the symbol table specific to each process? Sep 03 19:09:30 then ld.so resolves/links the refernece in $binary to randomfunction() in lib.so, and replaces the jump addr with what it finds in the table Sep 03 19:10:14 see man dlsym Sep 03 19:10:31 man dlopen Sep 03 19:10:37 (same) Sep 03 19:12:34 the user can override any symbol in any lib.so by defining "LD_PRELOAD=my-overriding-lib-with-symbol-that-replaces-original.so anybinary" Sep 03 19:13:18 FILE *fopen64(const char *path, const char *mode) { Sep 03 19:13:19 typedef FILE * (*fopen64_function_type)(const char *, const char*); Sep 03 19:13:21 fopen64_function_type next_fopen64 = dlsym(RTLD_NEXT, "fopen64"); Sep 03 19:13:22 return next_fopen64(path, mode); Sep 03 19:13:24 } Sep 03 19:14:23 ~ping Sep 03 19:14:23 ^^^overrides original fopen64() Sep 03 19:14:23 ~pong Sep 03 19:14:28 well that's kind of a stupid wrapper Sep 03 19:14:41 the lib itself should be able to handle that even smarter Sep 03 19:16:31 if not, than glibc could dlopen("glibc-helper-fakePselect.so") and implement an emulation for 'own' true pselect in that glibc-helper-fakePselect.so Sep 03 19:18:58 OT: i wonder if this will be a hackable-enough device, http://www.gsmarena.com/zte_grand_x_in-4962.php Sep 03 19:21:07 ooh, intel atom Sep 03 19:21:08 neat Sep 03 19:26:46 Sicelo: there's one question if it's hackable, another question if somebody actually will port a decent OS to it Sep 03 19:27:40 Sicelo: I don't care about buntkuh shite without proper dialer or anything, without support for GPS and WLAN and whatnot else Sep 03 19:28:53 basically any monkey can bring up a rudimentary linux on a semi-known hw platform. But getting something *useable* to run there is a whole different thing Sep 03 19:44:28 port maemo to it! Sep 03 20:20:50 sure, since maemo(5) is made for porting. And alredy been ported to 580 some other platforms Sep 03 20:22:07 actually that's the grave sin of Nokia regarding maemo - they managed to make it impossible to port Sep 03 20:31:59 "impossible" Sep 03 20:32:57 [Linus quote about linux not going to ever support non-AT hard drives] Sep 03 20:36:51 "what the fuck? A strawberry!" [Peter Schoeppel quote on unknown occasion] Sep 03 20:37:51 DocScrutinizer05: wut? Sep 03 20:38:18 ;-P Sep 03 20:39:04 maemo 5 can suck my nuts. Sep 03 20:39:14 Hildon is where it is at. Sep 03 20:39:24 hildon is ported Sep 03 20:39:29 well, right Sep 03 20:39:31 and it's only DE Sep 03 20:39:39 yeah... Sep 03 20:39:50 it has a weird, non-standard notification area though Sep 03 20:40:25 it is nice for tablets/mobiles Sep 03 20:40:35 n950 vs n900 Sep 03 20:40:38 i would like to see hildon+swipe hybrid Sep 03 20:40:41 * DocScrutinizer05 mumbles "sensorfw" and some rather nasty other terms, heads out to do something nicer than discussing maemo porting Sep 03 20:40:46 ffs Sep 03 20:40:56 swipe can get bent. Sep 03 20:41:10 vi_, swipe is nice but i feel like it's so not customizable and there is such a waste of space there Sep 03 20:41:34 like feed screen- and if i don't use feeds? why would i want black screen with just a date Sep 03 20:41:45 why not to make it widgets's screen Sep 03 20:41:47 LCARS Sep 03 20:41:57 honestly I rather use Braille HID than meego UI Sep 03 20:42:08 DocScrutinizer05: ! Sep 03 20:42:09 Braille HID? Sep 03 20:42:22 DocScrutinizer05, you are just too old for those things :P Sep 03 20:42:46 ZogG_laptop: the older you get the less tolerant to utter bullshit you get. Sep 03 20:42:53 DocScrutinizer05, i bet you don't use big thumb, u handle in one hand and use pointer thumb to click buttons :P Sep 03 20:43:16 http://static.ddmcdn.com/gif/braille-4.jpg Sep 03 20:43:36 vi_, u need to understand that swipe for portrait mostly and without hw kbd Sep 03 20:43:53 so for retarded cripples? Sep 03 20:44:01 I have 2 hands. Sep 03 20:44:03 yep! Sep 03 20:44:08 and multiple fingers. Sep 03 20:44:13 and Sep 03 20:44:19 how is it related? Sep 03 20:45:19 beilive me, u can't compete swype with hw kbd Sep 03 20:45:22 it's too small Sep 03 20:45:22 If you make a UI for spastics, you will have a device only useable by spastics. Sep 03 20:45:46 vi_, it's just hard for some people to get inovations, that's it Sep 03 20:46:11 like Ms made tablet and everyone boo'ed and apple made tablet and everyone had orgasms Sep 03 20:47:04 eventually computers will be so reduced in functionallity and controls we will just have a giant button for a KB the you slap with your idiot flipper to make the screen change colours. Sep 03 20:47:26 while bellming. Sep 03 20:47:52 wtf, ms did not make the tablet. Sep 03 20:48:12 apple did Sep 03 20:48:20 called the apple newton. Sep 03 20:48:36 and everybody boo'ed ;-P Sep 03 20:48:49 DocScrutinizer05: because it sucked. Sep 03 20:49:04 too much ahead of its time Sep 03 20:49:08 DocScrutinizer05: probably has a giant sealed lead acid battery. Sep 03 20:50:32 If only there was a hildon implementation for the n950. Sep 03 20:50:42 indeed Sep 03 20:51:02 incl aegis-nuker Sep 03 20:51:03 fuckit. Sep 03 20:51:33 when my n900 breaks I am going to get a mobile phone the size of a pen with no screen. Sep 03 20:52:53 to dial, you will click the button on the end like back when you tried to scam free calls by hitting the hang-up on a pulse dial phone line. Sep 03 20:53:16 they will call it revolutionary. Sep 03 20:53:32 re-envisioning the roll of the mobile phone. Sep 03 20:54:11 for hands free you would just stick it in your ear like a loose cigarette Sep 03 20:54:38 also, it would be a pen. Sep 03 21:03:32 vi__: they already have invented wrist-phone, you listen to it by sticking finger in your ear, the sound gets transported by vibration of your hand Sep 03 21:08:03 I'm not so much interested in phone though. I had palm pilot and one of the things I missed from it was it enabling me to get rid of my phone. That's how phone is related to handheld computing for me, and N900 is not a phone Sep 03 21:08:23 N9 clearly *is* a phone, and hardly anything beyond Sep 03 21:12:16 DocScrutinizer05: a phone with better specs than the n900 though :( Sep 03 21:12:35 do you guys actually make a lot of phone calls with the n900? Sep 03 21:15:04 I basically make *all* my calls with the N900 Sep 03 21:19:50 me too Sep 03 21:21:19 ditto Sep 03 21:21:30 yeah, me too Sep 03 21:21:55 but i don't make a lot of phone calls at all Sep 03 21:23:23 I just connected my n900 as my main landline Sep 03 21:23:31 sip/WiFi Sep 03 21:29:54 hello, i don't know why but when i emit a call with the phone app it switches to the running apps list, ie backgrounding the phone app, any idea ? Sep 03 21:31:44 this focus loosing prohibits the proximity detection that enables/disables the loudspeaker, so using the babyphone app my baby can ear the call ringing ... Sep 03 21:32:03 SpeedEvil: 2.8y late Sep 03 21:32:18 :) Sep 03 21:33:49 SpeedEvil: some service providers do sip for telephony anyways and some are stupid enough to have the password for it in clear text in modem's logfiles... Sep 03 21:34:59 my ISP offers free sip (well, no extra sub), and works out cheaper than my phone provider Sep 03 22:32:28 hi any n810 users arround ? Sep 03 22:44:54 hi SpeedEvil! :-) Sep 03 22:46:54 rzr: some Sep 03 22:53:42 DocScrutinizer05: i was thinking about using it a gps unit but navit is a bit harsh Sep 03 22:54:49 well, the N810 GPS never been paricularly good, at least in my experience Sep 03 22:55:51 A-GPS never made it from a beta to a proper system upgrade package afaik Sep 03 22:56:14 i was happy using wayfinder Sep 03 22:56:59 neither I know wayfinder, nor navit Sep 03 22:58:16 afk for a beer Sep 03 23:09:33 so far the only *maemo* device where the gps works halfway properly without an internet connection is sadly the n9(50) :/ Sep 03 23:09:45 at least in my experience Sep 03 23:10:58 r u using it along a car charger ? Sep 03 23:12:09 with and without Sep 03 23:27:10 mine complain there is not enough power Sep 03 23:27:21 it is said to deliver 1.2A Sep 03 23:27:45 bu I checked it is actually 0.8 Sep 04 00:45:30 rzr: 0.8A should still be enough to not moan about "insufficient power" Sep 04 00:46:48 unless the 'charger' is missing D+/- short which will cause sane obedient Nokia devices to reduce charge current to 100mA Sep 04 00:47:05 or too long wire Sep 04 00:47:10 or thin Sep 04 00:47:15 hmm, hardly Sep 04 00:47:34 I think down to 3.9V it won't complain Sep 04 00:47:53 means 1.1V have to get lost on thin wire Sep 04 00:48:02 I've seen very bad cables Sep 04 00:48:03 why 100mA and not 500? Sep 04 00:48:11 I should measure them Sep 04 00:48:19 100 is "free for everybody" Sep 04 00:48:22 mh Sep 04 00:48:46 500 is max usb ENUM may negotiate Sep 04 00:49:06 and even if it got that it will only charge with 100? Sep 04 00:49:14 D+/- short extends that to Sep 04 00:49:45 nox-: chargers have no CPU to negotiate anything via ENUM Sep 04 00:50:01 :/ Sep 04 00:50:44 so any PC is better for charhing than a wallcharger missing D+/- short Sep 04 00:50:59 charging* Sep 04 00:50:59 ah so it works with 500 on a pc? Sep 04 00:51:04 yes Sep 04 00:51:08 ah ok Sep 04 00:51:32 then it makes sense Sep 04 00:51:39 :) Sep 04 01:02:06 D+/- of the usb socket ? Sep 04 01:02:30 its a diy charger i'll double check thx for the tip Sep 04 01:07:04 rZr: yes, usb. green and white in cable Sep 04 01:07:48 middle two contacts on 4-pin USB Sep 04 01:08:29 (you may get away with shorting them by tin-foil. But beware: I ruined a plug that way) Sep 04 01:09:39 or you use ShadowJK's charge21.sh script which gives no flying fart about D+/- short Sep 04 01:11:17 (at least according to recent investigation results. if it doesn't work, you may want to adapt the 0x80 or 0x10 value of status this script checks for) Sep 04 01:11:36 see chanlog, last 3 or so days Sep 04 01:11:57 search for charge21 Sep 04 01:17:01 * DocScrutinizer05 just ponders to 'sell' smart charger script (via OVI, whatever), that allows user to set max USB current, monitors USB voltage, tries auto-adjust, and delivers proper meaningful logs. And of course works with any kind of charger, no matter if D+/- short or not Sep 04 01:17:30 do you think I could ask for $1.59 for that? Sep 04 01:20:13 if you think so, I might ship that fancy in 3 days Sep 04 01:36:41 no getting rich with n900 apps, not enough lusers Sep 04 01:41:19 I'm happy with being able to buy enough beer and bagles Sep 04 01:42:17 but actually #maemo ruins my professional carreer since it eats too much time and brainpower Sep 04 01:43:38 every 2nd morinig I'm late at work since something here (or #maemo-ssu) needs my attention Sep 04 01:44:10 estel didn't help X-P Sep 04 01:44:18 no good... Sep 04 01:47:45 since I'm sure the 250 users of #maemo won't send me 4 EUR / monzh for chanop and answering whatever, I'm hoping for jolla Sep 04 01:49:22 or for OVI and some users willing to pay for an universal charger app Sep 04 02:00:20 but not even receiving enough to not pay for maemo.cloud-7.de server, is indeed a bit annoying Sep 04 02:01:30 that's a friggin 20EUR/month I *pay* to keep community alive and provide whatever you find on that server Sep 04 02:04:42 ok, I'm sure nobody else makes a living with maemo support, so I probaly just should STFU and be happy with the interest this incredible piece of hw and OS still is seeing. 250 chan users isn't bad at all **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Sep 04 02:59:58 2012