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Sep 08 03:00:38 <DocScrutinizer05> If you don't have them, /query me
Sep 08 03:00:58 <Skry> actually N900 has different C-states than rest of 34xx, I already hacked them into cpuidle34xx.c, but I only looked at latency and residency values, not the states of core and mpu. So I guess I need to take a peek at Nokias sources.
Sep 08 03:05:45 <Skry> ok I'll ask you for the datasheets IF I cant figure anything else out
Sep 08 08:26:12 <pavi> Here is a very silly question , I remember my N900 having builtin google talk and built in skype . I remember removing them .. dunno how but they are gone . How to get them back . By built in I mean skype via phone contacts
Sep 08 08:28:57 <pavi> dpkg -l says that skype-installer and skype-ui-l10n-* are installed
Sep 08 08:40:29 <kerio> i don't have those
Sep 08 08:41:28 <kerio> i have osso-accounts-plugin-skype, rtcom-abook-skype-plugin, rtcom-skype-emoticon-theme
Sep 08 08:41:37 <kerio> oh, i do have skype-ui-l10n-*
Sep 08 08:53:53 <pavi> apparently I dunno where to look
Sep 08 08:54:09 <pavi> I went to settings and found the voip accounts thingy
Sep 08 08:54:18 <pavi> But skype is not signing in :(
Sep 08 08:54:22 <pavi> google work
Sep 08 09:01:37 <pavi> Why am I getting not signed in for skype always ? did they change protocol or server?
Sep 08 10:39:25 <Skry> DocScrutinizer05: You seem to be very familiar with hardware so regarding our conversation earlier.. I found interesting note from one patch from Meego/Mer: 
Sep 08 10:39:31 <Skry> jhnikula@gmail.com: voltage.c: OMAP4430_VDD_CORE_OPPx's in
Sep 08 10:39:31 <Skry> omap34xx_vdd1_vdd2_data replaced with OMAP3430_VDD_CORE_OPP3_UV. First
Sep 08 10:39:31 <Skry> because of OMAP4430_VDD_CORE_OPPx is not available in 2.6.37, is wrong for
Sep 08 10:39:31 <Skry> 34xx (even the voltages are close) and since the DSS don't work if core
Sep 08 10:39:34 <Skry> voltage is scaled.]
Sep 08 10:39:55 <Skry> can you confirm this? sorry for the paste..
Sep 08 10:40:33 <DocScrutinizer05> sorry, I seem to miss my coffe to make sense of this
Sep 08 10:47:41 <Skry> Thats from the patchset to Introduce DVSF (dynamic voltage and frequency scaling).. Basically that is saying that IF you scale down core voltage, DSS (display subsystem) stops working.
Sep 08 10:51:43 <DocScrutinizer05> well, that's probably not specified in datasheet, so this info has to originate from somewhere else
Sep 08 10:52:45 <DocScrutinizer05> maybe ask for  jhnikula in #mer
Sep 08 11:01:58 <DocScrutinizer05> Skry: please /join #mer , read chanlog last 5 minutes
Sep 08 11:10:23 <DocScrutinizer05> background/context (for your convenience) http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2012-09-08.log.html#t2012-09-08T03:25:14  http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2012-09-08.log.html#t2012-09-08T04:53:10  
Sep 08 11:10:31 <DocScrutinizer05> oops ECHAN
Sep 08 13:27:23 <tadzik> DocScrutinizer05: ping
Sep 08 13:27:30 <DocScrutinizer05> pong
Sep 08 13:27:58 <tadzik> I have the new flex cable, and was able to disassembly N900 up to the point when I have the Slider thingy separate
Sep 08 13:28:10 <tadzik> but then it seems like this flex cable is glued to it or something
Sep 08 13:28:29 <DocScrutinizer05> follow instructions in L1_2
Sep 08 13:29:07 <tadzik> oh, ok. Just looked at the L1L2
Sep 08 13:29:16 <DocScrutinizer05> I'd guess it's glued somewhere, but first you have to disassemble upper half (screen half) to get access
Sep 08 13:29:53 <DocScrutinizer05> I never did that disassembly of upper half, so can't comment first-hand about it
Sep 08 13:29:57 <tadzik> I have this SLIDE ASSY separate
Sep 08 13:30:08 <tadzik> and disconnected that from the LCD
Sep 08 13:30:48 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah, I've also seen parts labeled "slide ass'y + main flex cable" sold as a unit
Sep 08 13:31:03 <DocScrutinizer05> so I guess it's glued by doublesided sticky
Sep 08 13:31:25 <tadzik> probably
Sep 08 13:31:27 <DocScrutinizer05> but, see above
Sep 08 13:31:43 <DocScrutinizer05> never looked into it
Sep 08 13:31:48 <tadzik> right
Sep 08 13:32:06 <tadzik> must be somewhere in L3_4
Sep 08 13:32:22 <tadzik> L1_2 (L1L2?) just treats it as an atomic part
Sep 08 13:32:39 <DocScrutinizer05> maybe, though L3_4 is mainly about technical descriptions and subsystems
Sep 08 13:33:20 <tadzik> hrm, so I could just spend twice the money on the whole slider thing and resell the cable itself, maybe
Sep 08 13:33:27 * tadzik sighs
Sep 08 13:33:57 <DocScrutinizer05> or you warm up the whole thing thoroughly (60-70°C) and then slowly peel off the old cable
Sep 08 13:33:59 <DocScrutinizer05> ;-D
Sep 08 13:34:05 <tadzik> haha, right :P
Sep 08 13:34:26 <tadzik> do you have any idea who might have dismantled it the way I'll need to?
Sep 08 13:34:43 <DocScrutinizer05> sorry, nobody comes to mind
Sep 08 13:35:29 <DocScrutinizer05> anyway L1_2 is pretty good until it becomes obvious how to proceed
Sep 08 13:35:49 <tadzik> yeah, well, it's not enough in this case
Sep 08 13:35:53 <DocScrutinizer05> so I guess nothing special with how main flex aka FPC is glued to slider mech
Sep 08 13:36:14 <tadzik> on the last photo when it says "now disassembled, bravo" the slider assy is shown as one part
Sep 08 13:36:22 <DocScrutinizer05> hehe
Sep 08 13:36:26 <tadzik> just glue, eh?
Sep 08 13:36:35 <DocScrutinizer05> I'd not worry too much, it's for sure ds-sticky
Sep 08 13:36:52 <DocScrutinizer05> warm it up, peel it off, slowly and carefully
Sep 08 13:37:15 <tadzik> well, I'm about to throw it away anyway
Sep 08 13:37:25 <DocScrutinizer05> prior to that, MARK THE EXACT POSITION
Sep 08 13:37:42 <DocScrutinizer05> with pencil or whatever
Sep 08 13:37:52 <tadzik> it has holes it has to match
Sep 08 13:38:01 <DocScrutinizer05> sure
Sep 08 13:38:09 <tadzik> so I guess you can't get it wrong (famous last words)
Sep 08 13:38:14 <DocScrutinizer05> nevertheless a nice mark helps a lot
Sep 08 13:38:54 <DocScrutinizer05> mind you, there's sticky so you won't move it much once you got it near the sticky area
Sep 08 13:38:56 <tadzik> especially since the holes in metal are bigger than the ones in flex
Sep 08 13:38:59 * tadzik shakes fist
Sep 08 13:39:21 <tadzik> how to heat it safely, hairdryer?
Sep 08 13:39:29 <DocScrutinizer05> fair enough
Sep 08 13:39:45 <tadzik> okay, let's get this started then
Sep 08 13:40:10 <DocScrutinizer05> just take your time, it will take like minutes to come off slowly
Sep 08 13:40:27 <DocScrutinizer05> more force isn't speeding this up the way you'd expect it to
Sep 08 13:40:47 <DocScrutinizer05> more heat though will
Sep 08 13:41:01 <tadzik> hm
Sep 08 13:41:07 <tadzik> I have to figure out my own sticky thing?
Sep 08 13:41:23 <tadzik> or the one that's there will stay, enough of this to put a new one there?
Sep 08 13:41:28 <DocScrutinizer05> aaah, heat up the FPC side so sticky stays on slider mech
Sep 08 13:41:34 <tadzik> ok
Sep 08 13:42:03 <DocScrutinizer05> usually old sticky is 're-usable' if treated *carefully* during peel-off
Sep 08 13:42:08 <kerio> man, animation-less hildon is seriously cool
Sep 08 13:42:27 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah, anim is for sissies
Sep 08 13:42:46 <DocScrutinizer05> uselss eye-candy most of the time
Sep 08 13:42:57 <DocScrutinizer05> gets annoying pretty fast
Sep 08 13:43:49 <tadzik> and gets pretty fast once you get rid of it ;)
Sep 08 13:43:56 <DocScrutinizer05> HARM is all about eye-candy, once that's 'used up' you discover the massive lack of functionality behind that chrome cover
Sep 08 13:44:31 <kerio> HARM?
Sep 08 13:44:52 <DocScrutinizer05> just a sidenote, rather OT
Sep 08 13:45:13 <kerio> why the all caps?
Sep 08 13:46:02 <DocScrutinizer05> no special reason, I just got used to that way to write it
Sep 08 13:46:15 <DocScrutinizer05> to distinguish from the noun harm
Sep 08 13:47:37 <tadzik> haha, lucky day
Sep 08 13:47:43 <tadzik> the new flex cable has its own sticky on it
Sep 08 13:47:49 <DocScrutinizer05> cool
Sep 08 13:48:44 <DocScrutinizer05> pro tip: remove sticky/glue residues with further strong sticky tape you press on it and remove fast
Sep 08 13:49:28 <tadzik> was just about to scratch them off
Sep 08 13:49:38 <DocScrutinizer05> gaffa tape works pretty good
Sep 08 13:49:50 <DocScrutinizer05> scratching doesn't really work
Sep 08 13:50:18 <DocScrutinizer05> too smeary
Sep 08 13:51:00 <DocScrutinizer05> use scotch or gaffa patches to dab it off
Sep 08 13:51:44 <DocScrutinizer05> each time you dab with sticky tape, a bit more of the glue residues comes off and stays on sticky patch
Sep 08 13:52:45 <DocScrutinizer05> while with scatching you can't remove anything of that crap
Sep 08 13:53:10 <DocScrutinizer05> you'll just pread it all over the place
Sep 08 13:53:15 <DocScrutinizer05> spread*
Sep 08 13:54:42 <DocScrutinizer05> and ruin the surface sticky properties, so later dabbing off won't work anymore
Sep 08 13:55:24 <DocScrutinizer05> you *could* dissolve it with accetone
Sep 08 13:55:38 <DocScrutinizer05> if it's on plain metal surface
Sep 08 13:55:44 <DocScrutinizer05> but it's really messy
Sep 08 13:56:03 <DocScrutinizer05> dab off with sticky tape is really best and proven procedure
Sep 08 14:01:12 <tadzik> scotch worked quite well
Sep 08 14:01:19 <DocScrutinizer05> toldya
Sep 08 14:01:23 <DocScrutinizer05> :-)
Sep 08 14:01:31 <tadzik> scotch + fingernail ;)
Sep 08 14:04:09 <jon_y> wet tissue paper :)
Sep 08 14:04:16 <jon_y> or wet cloth
Sep 08 14:06:53 <DocScrutinizer05> tadzik: good luck! I'm afk now
Sep 08 14:07:01 <tadzik> any way to make this flex cable more bulletproof somehow?
Sep 08 14:07:08 <DocScrutinizer05> nah
Sep 08 14:07:13 <tadzik> DocScrutinizer05: thanks :) Will report once I get this thing back together
Sep 08 14:07:22 <DocScrutinizer05> appreciated
Sep 08 14:07:33 <tadzik> if it's flexing near metal parts it's bound to get fscked sooner or later
Sep 08 14:07:46 <DocScrutinizer05> (bulletproof) keep clean and free of dust
Sep 08 14:08:49 <DocScrutinizer05> anything sliding in between upper and lower half of N900 most certainly will damage the FPC
Sep 08 14:09:18 <DocScrutinizer05> so make sure there are no credit card, business cards, whatever going in there
Sep 08 14:09:37 <DocScrutinizer05> and keep it away from dust and sand
Sep 08 14:16:31 <DocScrutinizer05> anybody got problems with recent marble update?
Sep 08 14:34:58 <tadzik> haha, fixed!
Sep 08 14:35:06 <tadzik> (sent from my n900)
Sep 08 14:35:07 <kerio> by the way, pierogi is a really good remote control app
Sep 08 14:38:26 <Sicelo> tadzik: \o/
Sep 08 14:43:47 <kerio> hm, is there a better terminal emulator for the n900?
Sep 08 14:44:22 <Skry> whats wrong with xterm?
Sep 08 14:45:46 <kerio> no 256color support, for instance
Sep 08 14:47:05 <tadzik> DocScrutinizer05: thanks for all support, that was one exciting experience :)
Sep 08 14:59:22 <DocScrutinizer05> tadzik: YW
Sep 08 14:59:55 * DocScrutinizer05 draws another checkmark on his chalkboard
Sep 08 15:07:02 <Lava_Croft> kerio: iirc, no
Sep 08 15:11:25 <DocScrutinizer05> kerio: (256) ??? http://inz.fi/blog/category/geeky/maemo/maemo-hackers/osso-xterm/
Sep 08 15:11:56 <Lava_Croft> apparently there's something called evilvte too
Sep 08 15:11:59 <Lava_Croft> but i haven't used it
Sep 08 15:14:57 <kerio> oh, there's no xterm-256color terminfo
Sep 08 15:15:05 <kerio> that's probably part of the problem
Sep 08 15:30:52 <kerio> hm, i wonder if backupmenu should tweak kernel parameters wrt caches and queues
Sep 08 15:40:15 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: do you reckon bq24k's emergency charge is enough to prevent the battery from draining when using bootmenu's usb MSM?
Sep 08 15:45:20 * ShadowJK would doubt
Sep 08 15:46:15 <kerio> then backupmenu it is :D
Sep 08 15:48:27 <DocScrutinizer51> kerio: BM has proper charging, based on my script
Sep 08 15:49:51 <kerio> i know
Sep 08 15:50:41 <DocScrutinizer51> oops bootmenu not backupmenu, you said
Sep 08 15:51:06 <kerio> DocScrutinizer51: yeah, i was doing a backup and i tried both bootmenu and backupmenu's usb stuff
Sep 08 15:52:32 <kerio> ~seen robbiethe1st
Sep 08 15:52:34 <infobot> robbiethe1st <~robbiethe@50-37-128-155.mscw.id.frontiernet.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 2d 14h 7m 8s ago, saying: 'It's like a T3 or 4'.
Sep 08 15:59:23 <Skry> DocScrutinizer51: surprisingly the fault was cpufreq, not smartreflex
Sep 08 16:23:02 <DocScrutinizer51> toldya cpufreq is usually doing that stuff manully
Sep 08 16:23:59 <DocScrutinizer51> so if you wanna use SR you probably need a special build or special parameter of/to cpufreq
Sep 08 16:25:38 <Skry> yup, i'll have go through mer patches for cpufreq if there is something i didnt notice earlier
Sep 08 16:27:23 <Skry> imo these things should just work by now
Sep 08 16:53:19 <Psotnick> Can someone tell me what is the width of maemo panel?
Sep 08 16:54:07 <Skry> 800px
Sep 08 16:54:46 <Psotnick> Not the screen, just the top panel with time, battery status etc
Sep 08 16:55:14 <Skry> sorry, gotta learn to read :D
Sep 08 16:55:45 <Psotnick> No problem, I just have no idea how can I measure it
Sep 08 16:56:09 <Skry> take screenshot and check with some image editor
Sep 08 16:56:24 <Psotnick> Oh, thanks
Sep 08 16:56:28 <Psotnick> I'm dumb...
Sep 08 16:56:45 <kerio> Psotnick: still 800px
Sep 08 16:56:52 <kerio> the height on the other hand...
Sep 08 16:57:15 <Skry> i guess you could find the correct value from sources but i guess screenshot is faster :)
Sep 08 16:59:01 <Skry> kerio: i think he means that semi transparent part of it
Sep 08 17:00:42 <kerio> but... it's variable :s
Sep 08 17:02:39 <Psotnick> No, I meant height ofc
Sep 08 17:03:32 <Psotnick> But like I said, I'm dumb and I thought it's ok to say width, sorry
Sep 08 17:03:32 <kerio> oic
Sep 08 17:05:01 <kerio> 56px
Sep 08 17:07:04 <Psotnick> thx
Sep 08 18:04:26 <sixwheeledbeast> maemo.org down?
Sep 08 18:04:31 <sixwheeledbeast> http://www.isup.me/maemo.org
Sep 08 18:16:00 <spoofy> Hello :) Is there anyone who solved the problem of metasploit and postgresql? Is the postgresql package is available somewhere?
Sep 08 18:21:58 <Psotnick> How to create app that supports portrait mode with hildon.h? Is there a function for that or something like that?
Sep 08 18:24:19 <sixwheeledbeast> do you mean an app that auto rotates?
Sep 08 18:34:50 <sixwheeledbeast> Psotnick: ??
Sep 08 18:36:22 <Psotnick> sixwheeledbeast: yes
Sep 08 18:36:33 <sixwheeledbeast> python?
Sep 08 18:36:51 <Psotnick> C/C++
Sep 08 18:39:53 <sixwheeledbeast> class MainWindow : public QMainWindow
Sep 08 18:39:55 <sixwheeledbeast> {
Sep 08 18:39:57 <sixwheeledbeast>     Q_OBJECT
Sep 08 18:39:59 <sixwheeledbeast> public:
Sep 08 18:40:01 <sixwheeledbeast>     enum ScreenOrientation {
Sep 08 18:40:03 <sixwheeledbeast>         ScreenOrientationLockPortrait,
Sep 08 18:40:05 <sixwheeledbeast>         ScreenOrientationLockLandscape,
Sep 08 18:40:06 <kerio> don't paste you dick
Sep 08 18:40:07 <sixwheeledbeast>         ScreenOrientationAuto
Sep 08 18:40:09 <sixwheeledbeast>     };
Sep 08 18:40:13 <sixwheeledbeast>     explicit MainWindow(QWidget *parent = 0);
Sep 08 18:40:15 <sixwheeledbeast>     virtual ~MainWindow();
Sep 08 18:40:19 <sixwheeledbeast>     // Note that this will only have an effect on Symbian and Fremantle.
Sep 08 18:40:21 <sixwheeledbeast>     void setOrientation(ScreenOrientation orientation);
Sep 08 18:40:25 <sixwheeledbeast>     void showExpanded();
Sep 08 18:40:29 <sixwheeledbeast> sorry
Sep 08 18:42:16 <spoofy> Ugh.. Can someone with working sdk can compile new postgresql? gem install pg is not working.. even with export path can't find pg_config
Sep 08 18:42:28 <Psotnick> I said using hildon.h not QT
Sep 08 18:45:45 <trx> sixwheeledbeast also, this is much more simple to copy : setAttribute(Qt::WA_Maemo5PortraitOrientation, true); or (setAttribute(Qt::WA_Maemo5AutoOrientation, true);, etc)
Sep 08 19:46:41 <icetear> hi 
Sep 08 19:47:13 <DocScrutinizer51> hi
Sep 08 19:47:57 <DocScrutinizer51> sixwheeledbeast: please no pasting >5 lines (usually 3)
Sep 08 19:48:43 <icetear> this is the maemo channel.. right? this is first time i use irc chat..
Sep 08 19:49:09 <DocScrutinizer51> welcome
Sep 08 19:49:20 <tadzik> hello icetear 
Sep 08 19:49:32 <icetear> and i'm italian and not speach very well english.
Sep 08 19:50:06 <DocScrutinizer51> i5's good enough :)
Sep 08 19:51:02 <icetear> i have a question for maemo...it's possible increase the fm trainsmitter?
Sep 08 19:51:18 <kerio> icetear: yes, but the results are still kinda bad
Sep 08 19:51:56 <kerio> http://maemo.jacekowski.org/binary/fmtxd1.3 this is a modified fmtxd, put it in /usr/sbin/(
Sep 08 19:51:58 <kerio> er
Sep 08 19:52:00 <kerio> in /usr/sbin/
Sep 08 19:52:04 <kerio> (it's for PR1.3)
Sep 08 19:52:36 <kerio> OpenMediaPlayer also has a way to not disable the fmtx when the charger is connected, with that modified fmtxd
Sep 08 19:52:46 <kerio> note that it'll still not be "good", in any way
Sep 08 19:52:54 <kerio> but it's as good as it can be
Sep 08 19:54:31 <icetear> i understand..i have n900 (nokia) i read in my language in many sites but it's really difficoult 
Sep 08 19:55:45 <sixwheeledbeast> DocScrutinizer51: yes sorry all, a moment of madness
Sep 08 19:58:25 <icetear> i see the file what is this?
Sep 08 19:58:47 <icetear> i'm not a programmator..
Sep 08 19:59:25 <sixwheeledbeast> it is a binary to replace the default one
Sep 08 20:00:20 <icetear> i put this in my nokia?
Sep 08 20:00:47 <icetear> for amplific fm trasmission?
Sep 08 20:01:38 <kerio> -sigh-
Sep 08 20:01:41 <kerio> i'll deal with this
Sep 08 20:16:58 <DocScrutinizer51> kerio: you'll do? In a polite way? :)
Sep 08 20:17:30 <kerio> in a polite and italian way, yep
Sep 08 20:17:46 <kerio> in PM
Sep 08 20:17:54 <kerio> well, in query
Sep 08 21:13:49 * DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders if the "polite italian way" sounds like "EEEH cazo, stupido!"
Sep 08 21:14:07 <DocScrutinizer05> ;-P
Sep 08 21:15:29 <DocScrutinizer05> dunno why, but somehow polite and italian in same sentence sounds weird
Sep 08 21:16:18 <DocScrutinizer05> maybe a lost-in-translation problem though
Sep 08 21:16:41 <DocScrutinizer05> or blame Berlusconi
Sep 08 21:16:52 <Skry> cant help but think italian spiderman
Sep 08 21:19:47 <kerio> LOL RACISM
Sep 08 21:19:50 <kerio> so funny
Sep 08 21:20:41 <kerio> amirite
Sep 08 21:23:52 <GGon> l'uomo ragno stupefacente
Sep 08 21:24:03 <GGon> :-P
Sep 08 21:27:28 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: anyway, no
Sep 08 21:27:36 <kerio> i just explained him how to install jacekowski's fmtxd
Sep 08 21:27:59 <kerio> and i told him to not get his hopes up wrt fmtx range
Sep 08 21:28:11 <kerio> ...and then he asked me if i knew how to use cleven
Sep 08 21:30:13 <DocScrutinizer05> yay :-D
Sep 08 21:31:29 <DocScrutinizer05> which is when the real hacker tells with low voice "son, you're not ready to use it until you found out how to use it by yourself"
Sep 08 21:31:47 <GGon> programmator?
Sep 08 21:32:26 <kerio> GGon: "programmatore" is the italian translation for "programmer"
Sep 08 21:32:27 <GGon> is that like. the developer oracle?
Sep 08 21:32:38 <GGon> oh
Sep 08 21:33:01 <DocScrutinizer05> french is awesome: ordinateur
Sep 08 21:33:03 <GGon> now that i think about it... you don't hear the term "programmer" much
Sep 08 21:33:15 <GGon> it's usually "developer"
Sep 08 21:33:30 <kerio> or "coder"
Sep 08 21:33:32 <GGon> i blame python :-P
Sep 08 21:33:34 <GGon> yeah that too
Sep 08 21:33:37 <kerio> no u
Sep 08 21:34:05 <kerio> python is awsum :<
Sep 08 21:34:40 <GGon> python has far overreached its intended purpose :)
Sep 08 21:34:50 <kerio> and yet...
Sep 08 21:34:51 <GGon> well... let me go outside. it's beautiful out there
Sep 08 21:34:55 <GGon> before the world ends this year
Sep 08 21:35:08 <DocScrutinizer05> lol
Sep 08 21:35:22 <Skry> is it ending again? :o
Sep 08 21:35:29 * DocScrutinizer05 turns a dial on the control panel of the big blue box
Sep 08 21:35:47 <GGon> Skry: according to some white guy who says the mayan calendar is ending 
Sep 08 21:35:57 <GGon> didn't you watch the ancient aliens special?? :-P
Sep 08 21:36:04 <DocScrutinizer05> no, his mind is ending
Sep 08 21:36:10 <GGon> in india aliens were flying around dropping atomic bombs on each other
Sep 08 21:36:15 <GGon> which explains india 
Sep 08 21:36:17 <GGon> :)
Sep 08 21:36:18 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: is it the dial that gives me money?
Sep 08 21:37:06 <DocScrutinizer05> kerio: the simulation is somewhat complex and fuzzy (literally). Not entirely clear if any side effect of that one dial might cause sudden money at your side
Sep 08 21:37:54 <Skry> GGon: nah didn't watch it, lost interest after few episodes, the greek guy was awesome though.
Sep 08 21:38:04 <DocScrutinizer05> funny enough in TV they show 13th floor
Sep 08 21:38:36 * DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders if that might be a subtle endless recursion
Sep 08 21:42:06 <GGon> Skry: the author of chariots of fire? 
Sep 08 21:42:07 <GGon> heh
Sep 08 21:42:25 <GGon> yeah.. rumor has it he was the last greek to have an actual occupation in the last 20 years
Sep 08 21:44:11 <Skry> no doubt about that
Sep 08 22:41:36 <DocScrutinizer05> isn't that more like "in the next 20 years"?
Sep 08 22:42:49 <DocScrutinizer05> or rathe "for the next..."
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