**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Sep 13 03:00:00 2012 Sep 13 07:09:25 How to usb networking? I'm following the instruction on maemo wiki http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking, don't know how to install usb-otg-plugin, apt-get install can't find it Sep 13 07:27:24 Skry: is it fixable? Sep 13 07:41:41 Hello. How to usb networking? I'm following the instruction on maemo wiki http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking, don't know how to install usb-otg-plugin, apt-get install can't find it Sep 13 07:42:55 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking Sep 13 07:43:02 those instructions are for the N8x0 Sep 13 07:43:45 kerio, thank you, will read it Sep 13 07:44:01 anyway, there's really not much to it, if you just want to make the n900 and the computer communicate Sep 13 07:44:07 make sure g_nokia is loaded, ifup usb0 Sep 13 07:44:21 and then configure the network on the pc side Sep 13 07:44:26 if you're on windows, HAH Sep 13 07:45:29 yes, on the windows :) Sep 13 08:14:08 kerio, I have installed MADDE and edited the files of pcsuite-*.sh Sep 13 08:14:19 how to load g_nokia and ifup usb0 ? Sep 13 08:14:30 g_nokia is loaded whenever you enter pc suite mode on the n900 Sep 13 08:14:47 (you don't have to *be* in pc-suite mode, just that it should be the last mode you entered) Sep 13 08:14:52 I have connected n900 via pc suite mode, but nothing happened... Sep 13 08:14:53 lsmod | grep g_ Sep 13 08:15:04 it's going to be either g_nokia or g_file_storage Sep 13 08:15:15 (or g_ether, i think) Sep 13 08:15:27 kerio, yes, it has been loaded Sep 13 08:15:38 g_nokia 30376 6 Sep 13 08:15:40 then find a way to kick windows into shape Sep 13 08:15:45 not sure if there's one Sep 13 08:15:57 the n900 should appear as a network card on your computer's side Sep 13 08:16:00 kerio, what do you mean "kick windows into shape"? Sep 13 08:16:07 install drivers or something Sep 13 08:16:08 idk Sep 13 08:16:20 follow the wiki Sep 13 08:16:25 from the n900's side, sudo ifup usb0 Sep 13 08:16:46 I have installed MADDE and usb networking driver Sep 13 08:17:53 maybe I need a reboot? I will try Sep 13 08:20:02 I dont understand "This will only work if you got MADDE installed and configured for "Windows network" Sep 13 08:20:07 How to configure? Sep 13 08:20:47 I just installed MADDE Sep 13 08:20:48 No gui configure tools... Sep 13 08:32:13 ok, after restart windows, still no luck... Sep 13 08:37:42 I haven't done this step I think: got MADDE installed and configured for "Windows network" Sep 13 08:37:55 I have got MADDE installed, but I don't know how to conifgure it Sep 13 08:42:28 o/ Sep 13 08:58:34 I can ping 192.168.2.15, but I can't ping google.com, I have set up the resolv.conf Sep 13 10:55:02 hi, it is possible to get reason why/who stopping init.d/event.d script? Sep 13 10:55:35 I'd like to add option, if script is stopped by reboot/shutdown command or by user Sep 13 10:56:27 or I'd like to handle SIGINT/SIGTERM command and decide what to do if system is in shutdown/reboot state... Sep 13 10:56:36 DocScrutinizer05, see ^^^ Sep 13 11:06:00 /sbin/runlevel is shell script which print only "N 2" Sep 13 11:06:21 so it is unusable on upstart systems (like maemo) Sep 13 11:18:35 hm, what's the stuff in /etc/event.replace.d? Sep 13 11:35:57 kerio: is what fixable? Sep 13 11:36:16 Skry: the voltage confusions Sep 13 11:37:18 sure, for now it is just a matter of reverting one commit, so cpufreq can round voltages so it can find a match from OPP Sep 13 11:37:36 what would that entail? Sep 13 11:37:46 SR would be stable? Sep 13 11:38:32 No, SR is still unstable, it just makes cpufreq work without lockin up Sep 13 11:39:50 Skry: which kernel is that? Sep 13 11:40:14 freemangordon: 3.6 and 3.5 Sep 13 11:40:32 on n900? Sep 13 11:40:34 yes Sep 13 11:41:20 i see. well, according to what I know, SR cannot be made stable using what TI has programmed in efuse Sep 13 11:41:33 it is just garbadge Sep 13 11:42:14 :( Sep 13 11:42:22 true, with, n900 there is one certain voltage value which makes the device lockup Sep 13 11:42:54 Skry: the problem is that all devices have the same calibrations for OPP3-OPP5 Sep 13 11:43:57 Skry: the good news is that calibrations for OPP1 and OPP2 are ok ;) Sep 13 11:44:19 is it possible to install rootsh on n900 without internet? Sep 13 11:45:03 Skry: so the rest can be extrapolated. look at my SR patch in KP if you are interested Sep 13 11:45:10 akls: yeah Sep 13 11:45:13 but rootsh is bad Sep 13 11:45:14 any netsplit detected? Sep 13 11:45:16 :c Sep 13 11:45:23 DocScrutinizer05: kinda big netsplit, yes Sep 13 11:45:32 kerio, it's bad? then what should I use? Sep 13 11:46:10 freemangordon: I'm not that interested in SR, got the cpufreq fixed so that should be enough for now Sep 13 11:46:10 akls: well, to be fair the intended way is to just enter r&d mode Sep 13 11:46:13 * DocScrutinizer05 wonders whether to reboot infobot Sep 13 11:46:19 kerio, how? Sep 13 11:46:29 akls: nah, that's a silly thing Sep 13 11:46:56 * kerio ponders about making a tiny .deb that installs a file in /etc/sudoers.d/ Sep 13 11:47:11 kerio, sudo flasher --enable-rd-mode ? Sep 13 11:47:22 Skry: well, it is up to you, but SR is very very good thing to have working. Sep 13 11:47:39 freemangordon: wait, so is SR usable or not? Sep 13 11:47:48 kerio: where? Sep 13 11:47:53 on my n900 Sep 13 11:48:04 does it work? Sep 13 11:48:06 DocScrutinizer: infobot joined! Sep 13 11:48:21 it used to Sep 13 11:48:36 then i disabled it, because everyone says that it's useless and/or instable Sep 13 11:48:54 akls: yep Sep 13 11:48:58 kerio: now, who is that "everyone"? Sep 13 11:49:09 "sudo gainroot" is always doable, but it checks for rd-mode Sep 13 11:49:26 once you have a root shell, i'd manually add your own sudoers file Sep 13 11:49:31 and then disable rd-mode Sep 13 11:49:52 freemangordon: every sentient being in the universe Sep 13 11:50:04 or maybe someone on the wiki Sep 13 11:51:40 kerio: please stop trolling akl Sep 13 11:51:44 freemangordon: I have it enabled in "my" kernel so if user wants to use it he can enable it via sysfs, however, when engineers from both TI and Nokia say it is unstable and broken on 3430, it is unstable. Besides, I dont see any logic of using two separate methods to scale voltages at the same time. Sep 13 11:51:49 akls even Sep 13 11:51:51 DocScrutinizer05: no, seriously, it works Sep 13 11:52:14 check /usr/sbin/gainroot and /etc/sudoers.d/01sudo Sep 13 11:52:42 kerio: how would you enable r&d flag? Sep 13 11:52:46 the flasher? Sep 13 11:52:57 on device??? Sep 13 11:53:03 from a computer Sep 13 11:53:10 yeah :-/ Sep 13 11:53:16 so? Sep 13 11:53:30 everybody got rootsh installed Sep 13 11:53:33 not me Sep 13 11:53:43 it's the reason i won't install qtmobilehotspot Sep 13 11:53:48 it depends on that POS Sep 13 11:54:02 i really hope it doesn't pipe commands to it Sep 13 11:55:12 akls: you might want to sanitize rootsh by enabling proper password query for commands "root" and "sudo gainroot". See Sep 13 11:55:15 ~jrtools Sep 13 11:55:15 methinks jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Sep 13 11:56:46 kerio: I hope you checked qtmobilehotspot and gave it proper rating in testing so it never makes it into maemo-extras Sep 13 11:57:02 hmm... no i did not Sep 13 11:57:52 plenty of packages depend on rootsh Sep 13 11:58:13 then plenty of packages deserve demoting Sep 13 11:58:25 including stuff like "optimizen900", "clean900", "nitroid-installer" Sep 13 11:58:28 * kerio lols Sep 13 11:58:44 * DocScrutinizer05 pukes Sep 13 11:59:08 lrn2sudo, fools!!! Sep 13 11:59:41 how do i vote down? Sep 13 12:00:03 I'm tempted to roll a new version of rootsh that does things proper, incl asking for password, and then watch all that crap go down epically Sep 13 12:00:24 once stuff is in extras, you can't Sep 13 12:00:24 chinese li-ion charger==USB 5V charger with 0.8v Zener across the output. Sep 13 12:00:35 stuff in testing has rating buttons Sep 13 12:00:41 qtmobilehotspot is in extras-testing and extras-devel Sep 13 12:00:53 Skry: well, we have at least 2 proves that what YI and Noika say is not alwasy true - USB hostmode and thumb2 Sep 13 12:01:00 Relying on USB port maximum current to control current. Sep 13 12:01:02 vi_: /o\ Sep 13 12:01:26 DocScrutinizer05: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/qtmobilehotspot/0.3.5/ Sep 13 12:01:28 vote down plskthx Sep 13 12:01:42 kerio: then go to extras-testing, add comment explaining why you give it thumbs-down Sep 13 12:01:43 Skry: what is the other method to control voltages? Sep 13 12:02:13 freemangordon: cpufreq does both Sep 13 12:02:19 kerio: I first need to check it before voting it down Sep 13 12:02:33 DocScrutinizer05: Depends: [...] rootsh [...] Sep 13 12:02:40 where? Sep 13 12:02:41 Skry: aah, I see. But SR does a totally different thing Sep 13 12:03:10 DocScrutinizer05: in that page Sep 13 12:03:14 qtmobilehotspot 0.3.5 Sep 13 12:03:18 o.O Sep 13 12:03:22 >Promotion unlocked, waiting for maintainer to promote Sep 13 12:03:24 oh hell naw Sep 13 12:03:29 I am late to the party, what is the argument? Sep 13 12:03:37 vi_: packages that depend on rootsh Sep 13 12:03:41 Also, SR and is stable and thumb rules. Sep 13 12:04:03 In addition to this, rootsh works fine. Deal with it. Sep 13 12:04:18 DocScrutinizer05: qradio depends on rootsh too, and that's in extras Sep 13 12:04:34 vi_: just a note: SR is stable with KP ;) Sep 13 12:04:35 vi_: rootsh is a massive kludge Sep 13 12:05:40 freemangordon: Thats what I meant! Sep 13 12:05:46 kerio: IDGAF. Sep 13 12:06:00 Maemo5==A MASSIVE KLUDGE. Sep 13 12:06:04 freemangordon: yeah, I know that, k hilman just convinced me that when cpufreq does the voltage scaling itself, benefits from SR would be minimal -> not worth the instability. Anyways, you were saying that problems with SR are caused by the same reason I had trouble with cpufreq? Sep 13 12:06:24 guys, I've just bought my phone Sep 13 12:06:31 and wireless is not working out of the box Sep 13 12:06:41 akls: it should Sep 13 12:06:49 akls: anyway, have you installed the latest PR from nokia yet? Sep 13 12:06:52 I simply can't see any networks. My friend bought a phone with me - everything is fine on his phone Sep 13 12:06:53 PR1.3 Sep 13 12:06:56 kerio, yes. Sep 13 12:07:00 akls: Is that supposed to be a question or an allusion to disgruntlement? Sep 13 12:07:12 vi_: oh shush Sep 13 12:07:31 akls: which region is your n900 from? Sep 13 12:08:10 friggin testing pages always make me want to click "send" again, after 60s of waiting Sep 13 12:08:30 akls: Re-flash to stock pr1.3 firmware to eliminate the possibillity of software and try again. If it still does not work, take it back. Sep 13 12:08:33 akls: tried rebooting already? Sep 13 12:08:35 kerio, how could I know, bought it from ebay Sep 13 12:08:46 kerio, of course! Sep 13 12:09:22 akls: have you done a full reflash? Sep 13 12:09:23 kerio, what's a "FULL" reflash? Sep 13 12:09:26 flashed both VANILLA and COMBINED with flasher-3.5 Sep 13 12:09:28 any supertester around to vote down http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/qtmobilehotspot/0.3.5/ ? Sep 13 12:09:34 SpeedEvil: ^^^? Sep 13 12:11:57 DocScrutinizer05: how did rootsh end up in extras anyway? Sep 13 12:12:08 it has all the signs of a bad, bad, bad package Sep 13 12:12:09 that's historical Sep 13 12:12:29 see who did it, and when Sep 13 12:13:02 Maintainers: Faheem Pervez, Pali Rohár Sep 13 12:13:05 Pali: oh you Sep 13 12:13:12 tbh there's worse crap around: sudser etc Sep 13 12:13:32 yes, I promoted new patched version to extras Sep 13 12:13:42 kerio: pali kinda fixed worst borkage of it Sep 13 12:13:47 iirc Sep 13 12:13:47 in extras was old version which has broken postrm Sep 13 12:15:39 hm Sep 13 12:16:46 kerio: Pali: damage done by Faheem Pervez. All we can do now is roll a better-rootsh that also secures HAM via hildon-su and thus allows to really kinda get some little bit of sanity & security back on fremantle Sep 13 12:17:30 hell, it can even conflict with rootsh (original) Sep 13 12:17:40 no Sep 13 12:17:44 no? Sep 13 12:17:46 original rootsh is not packages Sep 13 12:17:49 *packaged Sep 13 12:17:50 :D Sep 13 12:17:57 errr Sep 13 12:18:06 original rootsh is only in FIASCO rootfs image Sep 13 12:18:19 you mean it's not a proper package with uninstall etc? Sep 13 12:18:25 preinst script moving existing rootsh to new location Sep 13 12:18:28 meh Sep 13 12:18:34 and postrm moving old roosh back Sep 13 12:18:39 I mean the rootsh from repo Sep 13 12:18:51 DocScrutinizer05: you mean gainroot? Sep 13 12:18:52 this doing extras rootsh package Sep 13 12:19:04 the package called rootsh Sep 13 12:19:26 rootsh is package which provide gainroot Sep 13 12:19:28 http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/rootsh/1.8/ Sep 13 12:19:44 not really, gainroot is provided by sudo Sep 13 12:21:17 I'd really appreciate some help on creating a clean way to secure HAM, preferrably in a generic way by using some hildon-su Sep 13 12:21:39 DocScrutinizer05: are we allowed to modify HAM? Sep 13 12:21:56 why not Sep 13 12:22:11 cssu already did it, hell - pali did it Sep 13 12:22:38 DocScrutinizer05: we need a better sudo Sep 13 12:23:02 I want a fremantle system with proper root password, and no way to install shit like rootsh that neuters it Sep 13 12:23:28 DocScrutinizer05: better sudo with askpass support (and maybe sudoers.d support so we don't need update-sudoers) Sep 13 12:23:49 I'm all for getting better (newer) sudo, that relieves us from pita of update-sudoers abomination Sep 13 12:24:04 and then make HAM call sudo -A appropriate-graphical-password-asking-program apt-worker whatevs Sep 13 12:24:27 :nod: Sep 13 12:24:37 so proficient users can remove the passwordless sudo on apt-worker, and then it'll just ask for the password Sep 13 12:24:40 Pali: you're still with us? :-) Sep 13 12:25:00 Moo,Doc Sep 13 12:25:04 Ah, fun, fun Sep 13 12:25:06 moo RST38h Sep 13 12:25:23 DocScrutinizer05: actually it can be done without modifying HAM Sep 13 12:25:29 we do need a password-asking binary though Sep 13 12:25:44 call that hildon-su Sep 13 12:26:02 DocScrutinizer05: no, just a password asking Sep 13 12:27:14 password asking, email sending binary Sep 13 12:27:36 DocScrutinizer05: in fact, with a good sudo that knows about the graphical askpass we don't need *any* modifications to HAM apart from the removal of NOPASSWD Sep 13 12:28:04 what can be better than that? Sep 13 12:28:34 kerio: we discussed all this some days ago. There's zenity for now, and we concluded we'd need some modifications to HAM (to include -a, no hildon-su parameter needed since that can get passed by ENV), and we need sudo that supports -a Sep 13 12:28:57 can zenity ask for a password? Sep 13 12:29:05 yes Sep 13 12:29:11 brilliant Sep 13 12:29:24 even hides input Sep 13 12:30:14 zenity --help-entry Sep 13 12:30:48 it's trivial to make a zenity-askpass that does what sudo expects, yes Sep 13 12:30:55 zenity --entry --hide-text --text="please enter root password" Sep 13 12:31:40 kerio, ham alternative that directly uses apt? Sep 13 12:31:45 what sudo *would* expect - if sudo wasn't prehistoric crap Sep 13 12:32:47 but you already remarked a few days ago that this method would ask for root password on each new interactive operation user does on HAM Sep 13 12:33:06 DocScrutinizer05: nope Sep 13 12:33:13 we exploit sudo's timeout Sep 13 12:33:21 and it still needs HAM to use "sudo -a apt-worker" instead of "sudo apt-worker" Sep 13 12:33:38 kerio: ok, feasible Sep 13 12:34:00 DocScrutinizer05: modern sudos automatically call askpass if they're not on a tty Sep 13 12:34:12 OOOH! Sep 13 12:34:16 :-) Sep 13 12:34:30 and you can specify askpass in sudoers Sep 13 12:34:35 yep Sep 13 12:34:44 it's just an envvar Sep 13 12:34:46 sorry I confused that with ENV Sep 13 12:35:45 so who's going to provide sudo update for cssu? Sep 13 12:35:50 cssu Sep 13 12:35:52 easy Sep 13 12:36:25 meh, cssu is a project. it doesn't magically breed new packages Sep 13 12:36:39 ok, the last person to say "not me" on irc Sep 13 12:36:40 not me Sep 13 12:36:41 we need somebody willing to create and maintain new sudo Sep 13 12:38:23 we also need further review of that concept. I'm not that self-confident to claim I already figured each possible security flaw it might hide Sep 13 12:39:18 kerio: you already mentioned things like direct invocation of sudo apt-worker when I pondered to run HAM under root permissions, with hildon-su wrapper Sep 13 12:39:42 DocScrutinizer05: well, it would be the same Sep 13 12:39:54 so at worst we have the same security Sep 13 12:40:12 we need proper review of our concept, by a few other sensible devels Sep 13 12:40:52 kerio: I'm not going to mess with all that shit to end with "same security as before", you know ;-) Sep 13 12:41:19 DocScrutinizer05: well, the security will increase if the user removes NOPASSWD Sep 13 12:41:28 the purpose of this effort is to improve security Sep 13 12:41:41 yeah but there's not even the *concept* of a user password in fremantle Sep 13 12:41:46 by default Sep 13 12:41:53 root password Sep 13 12:42:05 yeah but there's not even the *concept* of a password in fremantle Sep 13 12:42:18 in hildon, right Sep 13 12:42:26 in fremantle, sure there is Sep 13 12:42:40 DocScrutinizer05: not as presented to the user Sep 13 12:42:58 sure, see ssh root@n900 Sep 13 12:43:20 WARNING: REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED! Sep 13 12:43:21 lol wat Sep 13 12:43:30 (ssh root@localhost) Sep 13 12:43:52 kerio: rogue boy! Sep 13 12:43:57 wtf happened Sep 13 12:43:59 no, seriously Sep 13 12:44:07 you reflashed? Sep 13 12:44:38 i never reflash only the root Sep 13 12:45:24 well, for sume reason root's publickey doesn't match user's list of known_hosts anymore Sep 13 12:45:47 it's not root's publickey, it's sshd's keypair Sep 13 12:45:49 either of both has changed Sep 13 12:46:14 fool, sshd has no own key pair Sep 13 12:46:15 second weird thing: this is the first time i ssh localhost Sep 13 12:46:19 i'm kinda sure of this Sep 13 12:46:37 DocScrutinizer05: /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key[.pub] Sep 13 12:46:40 it's the publickey of root's ssh keypair Sep 13 12:46:46 those are keys, and they're two Sep 13 12:46:59 wtf?? Sep 13 12:47:15 today on #maemo: DocScrutinizer learns about sshd Sep 13 12:47:28 meh Sep 13 12:47:39 * DocScrutinizer05 goes getting a coffee Sep 13 12:47:46 there's not even a /root/.ssh/ Sep 13 12:47:54 ooh? Sep 13 12:48:10 i don't have it, i never ran ssh as root \_o_/ Sep 13 12:48:17 IroN900:~# ls -l ~root/.ssh/ Sep 13 12:48:19 insgesamt 8 Sep 13 12:48:20 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1115 2007-11-15 21:07 authorized_keys Sep 13 12:48:22 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2136 2012-04-22 12:50 known_hosts Sep 13 12:48:39 sure, but that's unrelated to what sshd does Sep 13 12:49:12 sure, that's why the folder is named .ssh Sep 13 12:49:22 ssh*d* Sep 13 12:49:35 pff Sep 13 12:49:56 guess where sshd will look for authorized_keys when I log in a s root Sep 13 12:50:30 guess how related *that* is to the identification of the server by ssh Sep 13 12:50:51 ssh's identification goes both ways Sep 13 12:53:58 shit Sep 13 12:54:09 guess where sshd will look for authorized_keys when I log in a s root Sep 13 12:54:13 you're right that's not the host authentication key Sep 13 12:54:32 [Notice] -christel- [Global Notice] Hi all, not only would it seem that Christmas came early this year, we must also have been much nicer than we thought! We're receiving a steady stream of packets at present and apologise for any inconvenience whilst we try work around the issue! Again, sorry and thank you for using freenode! Sep 13 12:56:34 xmas packets Sep 13 12:58:56 yeah, kicked me out Sep 13 12:59:15 kerio: still alive? Sep 13 12:59:23 nope :( Sep 13 12:59:26 a sniper killed me Sep 13 12:59:29 hehe Sep 13 12:59:32 now i inhabit my laptop Sep 13 12:59:51 * DocScrutinizer05 sends hypersnyper Sep 13 13:00:10 anyway, yeah, you were wrong :3 Sep 13 13:00:31 yeah, publicly admitting you were right about auth key Sep 13 13:00:55 ~kerio Sep 13 13:00:56 you are probably [...] kerio is correct [...] Sep 13 13:01:19 the power of ellipses! Sep 13 13:02:07 you however were wrong about ~/.ssh being unrelated to sshd Sep 13 13:02:25 well of course, authorized_keys is to login with a keypair Sep 13 13:02:41 since ~/.ssh/authorized_keys evidently is used by sshd Sep 13 13:03:47 now for something completely new and different: hildon-su and contemporary proper sudo binary Sep 13 13:04:46 for sudo binary I bet any increase in size will be ballanced by reduced size of /etc/sudoers messed up file Sep 13 13:04:49 hildon-askpass Sep 13 13:04:57 crap Sep 13 13:05:42 I already told you (and you noticed it) that hildon-askpass has no option to switch it to only one password textbox Sep 13 13:06:03 shall I scan the chanlog? Sep 13 13:06:15 no, that's maemo-ask-password or something Sep 13 13:06:23 ooh Sep 13 13:07:17 for hysterical raisins that class of programs is named -su, or su: KDEsu Sep 13 13:07:22 k Sep 13 13:07:48 can't we just get gksu compiled for maem? Sep 13 13:07:50 *maemo Sep 13 13:08:14 i still don't get which toolkit we're supposed to use on the n900 Sep 13 13:09:50 i'd like to know that too Sep 13 13:10:45 obviously on fremantle we're free to use gtk or qt or qtm Sep 13 13:11:12 yeah but which is the recommended one Sep 13 13:11:18 with each of them supported by a number of toolkits, like pyqt Sep 13 13:11:44 recommended? seems qt is most preferred one, generally Sep 13 13:15:06 Pali: would you see any chance you throw "new" sudo into maemo make machine? Sep 13 13:15:26 sorry, no time for other project Sep 13 13:15:31 k Sep 13 13:17:32 * DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders if it will work to simply scp user@oldbox/scratchbox / Sep 13 13:17:47 rather, if scratchbox will work on new machine Sep 13 13:18:30 (given both machines use basically same distro) Sep 13 13:23:29 hm Sep 13 13:23:36 just updated my n900 Sep 13 13:23:46 and now it doesnt want connect to internet Sep 13 13:23:49 :/ Sep 13 13:27:22 says No connections availible Sep 13 13:31:30 dhbiker: reboot? Sep 13 13:31:42 already did Sep 13 13:32:17 updated from ? to ? Sep 13 13:33:15 cssu testing to 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo5.1 Sep 13 13:33:54 dhbiker: you observerd [general notice]? Sep 13 13:34:28 [GENERAL NOTICE] if you're using CSSU-T, do NOT use "update all" in HAM, you need to first install/update the opername widget, only *then* go update the rest. Read http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1264963#post1264963 ff Sep 13 13:35:21 dhbiker: your "settings -> about_CSSU" shows 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo5.1? Sep 13 13:37:07 i did so Sep 13 13:37:12 opername widget Sep 13 13:37:14 then cssu Sep 13 13:37:19 and yes Sep 13 13:39:08 so, after dis-assembling this chinese USB charger I have found the 5V output is wired backwards. Sep 13 13:39:33 vi_: lol Sep 13 13:39:36 Yes, wired backwards. Sep 13 13:39:40 :D Sep 13 13:40:06 What 'engineer' comes up with this shit? Sep 13 13:40:21 DocScrutinizer05: so this means restore the backupmenu backup ? -.- Sep 13 13:40:27 the PRC didn't get this far by double-checking the connectors Sep 13 13:40:31 How can they look their wives in the face and say, 'yes, I had a good day today honey'. Sep 13 13:40:39 dhbiker: not really Sep 13 13:41:00 i have no idea how to diagnose an ICD2 problem Sep 13 13:41:14 probably the easiest wa Sep 13 13:41:15 y Sep 13 13:41:19 dhbiker: I don't see why your system has problems Sep 13 13:41:47 anyway restoring BM backup and restarting all over again seems a sane idea Sep 13 13:42:00 k Sep 13 13:42:11 copying the backup to phone Sep 13 13:42:46 dhbiker: you know this should be done in BM as well? Sep 13 13:42:52 I just threw out a rattly 18650 cell. Sep 13 13:42:53 oh ? Sep 13 13:42:57 Yes, rattly. Sep 13 13:43:11 They had put a tiny battery in an 18650 size tube. Sep 13 13:43:24 LOL Sep 13 13:43:36 seen similar crap every now and then Sep 13 13:44:05 very popular: use AAA NiMH cell in a A case Sep 13 13:44:17 vi_: that's hilarious Sep 13 13:44:22 lolol Sep 13 13:44:58 I knew these batteries were utter shit as soon as I saw the '3800mAH' written on the side. Sep 13 13:45:01 But this? Sep 13 13:45:30 My brain cannot handle bullshit of this magnitude. Sep 13 13:45:36 lol Sep 13 13:46:07 they used to wrap it in paper to avoid rattling Sep 13 13:46:18 DocScrutinizer05: backupmenu only charges with .5A, right? Sep 13 13:46:23 There is an economic depression on you knw. Sep 13 13:46:30 Cannot waste good paper these days. Sep 13 13:46:32 kerio: probably Sep 13 13:46:52 yeah, otherwise there would be no way to use usb MSM and stuff like that Sep 13 13:47:21