**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Sep 14 02:59:59 2012 Sep 14 03:00:02 *sigh* Sep 14 03:19:49 cheap-shit chinese batteries :S Sep 14 03:20:15 good for only about 10 recharges Sep 14 03:38:08 jpinx: hm? Sep 14 03:39:05 DocScrutinizer05: bought chinese 1320ma/h battery here and it was great for a month ;) Sep 14 03:39:16 ooh Sep 14 03:39:52 but it was only approx $7 Sep 14 03:40:11 impurities in chemistry and poor sealing can both cause that Sep 14 03:41:13 yea - it's a chinese make -- not likely to be good quality - I knew it when I bought it - but it was great while it lasted ( she said ;) ) haha Sep 14 03:53:21 also using rice paper as the seperator. Sep 14 04:13:45 hey, that's almost too smart for el Qaida Sep 14 04:15:49 one stupid asshole gets some money from them, hires some american actors to do a terribly stupid and disgusting film insulting "the prophet", publishes this video in nternet, shouts I'm an Aegypt and I'm a coptic christian, and disappears Sep 14 04:18:18 I bet some "imam" told him that's a special form of jihad and Alah will forgive him and appreciate his fighting against the western devil Sep 14 04:20:33 then for all those muslims who still don't get it, some other el Qaida supporters spread the news that american gvmt's censorship accknowledged that bullshit video Sep 14 05:13:05 SpeedEvil: anything is possible.... it's chinese ;) Sep 14 05:18:52 what's the cl to get an accurate reading of battery charge state? Sep 14 05:37:18 *accurate* takes much more than one cmdline Sep 14 05:38:26 if you meant 'detailed' then lshal|grep batter Sep 14 05:40:27 if you really need accurate then the cmdline is even shorter, but takes quite some preparation work: bq27200.sh Sep 14 06:39:58 How to add extra-testing and extra-devel repository from command line instead of manually write from package manager ? (I want to do this in script.) Sep 14 06:41:07 stardiviner, sorry I don't know, I added them into /etc/apt/sources.list and use apt-get update :) Sep 14 06:41:30 LaoLang_cool: that's it. Sep 14 06:42:02 stardiviner: you'd better put a file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ Sep 14 06:42:08 stardiviner, no, I think they are not the same Sep 14 06:42:15 :nod: Sep 14 06:42:30 HAM uses its own repo settings Sep 14 06:43:09 freemangordon: I found one file hilden-applicatio-manager in sources.list.d/ Sep 14 06:43:11 I see a file under /etc/apt/sources.list.d/: hildon-application-manger.list Sep 14 06:43:17 Dont' know if HAM use it Sep 14 06:43:31 I know, but it gets overwritten whe you start HAM Sep 14 06:43:33 LaoLang_cool: HAM use it, Sep 14 06:43:59 stardiviner, as freemangordon said, maybe it don't do what you want :( Sep 14 06:44:00 freemangordon: can not write from script ? Sep 14 06:44:19 stardiviner: what? Sep 14 06:44:35 LaoLang_cool: But I do not want to always manually add it after a flash, (even flash is not happen offen) Sep 14 06:44:54 freemangordon, I tried to put a file containing some repos in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/, but it doesn't take effect when apt-get update, what else am I missing? Sep 14 06:45:10 stardiviner, I understand you, it's annoying to do that Sep 14 06:45:16 sorry I can't help you Sep 14 06:45:26 LaoLang_cool: NFC, that is what I use here when I need something from extras-devel Sep 14 06:45:46 it should work Sep 14 06:45:52 freemangordon, NFC? Sep 14 06:45:58 ~nfc Sep 14 06:46:00 LaoLang_cool: I checked that file hildon-application-manager.list, It has lines which I added repos manualy in HAM. I think I can do it in script. Sep 14 06:46:00 well, nfc is No Fucking Clue, or near field communications Sep 14 06:46:26 freemangordon, the file should be rename to foo.list? Sep 14 06:46:32 yep Sep 14 06:46:34 with a suffix .list Sep 14 06:46:37 oh, I got it Sep 14 06:46:39 yep ;) Sep 14 06:47:21 stardiviner: makes no sense to mess up with hildon-application-manager.list as HAM will overwrite it Sep 14 06:47:51 stardiviner: you'd better use microb to browse to repository.maemo.org and click on "install repo" links Sep 14 06:48:44 or keep a links on your desktop, 2 clicks and you're in Sep 14 06:49:16 freemangordon: it is not as good as do it in script. Because I want to a lot of actions in one script, remove useless default games package, install new packages, and do gconf etc. Sep 14 06:49:53 stardiviner, you should use apt-get for that Sep 14 06:50:00 I use it, and it works Sep 14 06:50:12 LaoLang_cool: of course, apt-get Sep 14 06:51:01 LaoLang_cool: but apt-get can not add repository, so I want to echo "repo address" >> hildon-app..-manager.list file Sep 14 06:51:19 stardiviner, apt-get purge for removing application, and apt-get install afor installing application Sep 14 06:51:22 stardiviner: you don't need to touch hildon-app..-manager.list Sep 14 06:51:38 stardiviner.list will do the same Sep 14 06:51:49 stardiviner, echo "repo address" > /etc/apt/sources.list.d/myapt.list Sep 14 06:51:54 if put in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ Sep 14 06:52:03 yep Sep 14 06:52:35 freemangordon: LaoLang_cool the file exists before I append new repos to it, HAM use it by default. Sep 14 06:52:47 stardiviner, I know it would good if you could add repo address into HAM, but before you find a solution for it, you can try the way of apt-get Sep 14 06:52:55 stardiviner: well, it is up to you after all :) Sep 14 06:53:19 LaoLang_cool: how to use apt-get to add repository ? Sep 14 06:53:20 HAm does not use it, it creates it Sep 14 06:53:49 stardiviner: on the side not - why do you reflash ocasianly? Sep 14 06:53:55 stardiviner, echo "your repo address" >> /etc/apt/sources.list.d/stardivnerlist Sep 14 06:53:56 *note Sep 14 06:54:14 "/etc/apt/sources.list.d/stardivner.list" Sep 14 06:54:30 .list is importatnt Sep 14 06:54:39 freemangordon, a typo ;p Sep 14 06:54:44 thank you for correction Sep 14 06:54:50 yeah Sep 14 06:54:54 freemangordon: some times, some packages need to run dpkg --configure -a , but this command can not fix the problem , then I can not figure out solution Sep 14 06:55:08 so you reflash? Sep 14 06:55:27 My question is, how to invoke contacts app to show a particular contact's detail from cli? Sep 14 06:56:06 LaoLang_cool: did you look at dbus phonebook api in wiki? Sep 14 06:56:13 something like: osso-abook -g LaoLang_cool Sep 14 06:56:27 no, it should be dbus call Sep 14 06:56:29 freemangordon, could you point me to the link please? Sep 14 06:56:37 dbus is ok Sep 14 06:56:39 hmm, lemme google for you :P Sep 14 06:57:09 http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control Sep 14 06:57:10 thanks, actually I don't know much technoledge :) Sep 14 06:57:20 oh, I have checked that link Sep 14 06:57:29 nothing in there? Sep 14 06:57:31 nothing relative to what I want Sep 14 06:57:46 I will check if it has updated since last time I read it Sep 14 06:58:05 LaoLang_cool: you may want to check what hildon-desktop does when you type while on desktop Sep 14 06:58:41 though i am not sure if it is h-d or h-h Sep 14 06:59:00 what is h-d or h-h? Sep 14 06:59:12 hildon-desktop hildon-home Sep 14 06:59:14 I don't know how to check it on desktop Sep 14 06:59:25 naah, check in the sources :) Sep 14 06:59:50 oh! Sep 14 07:00:02 I am just a normal user... ok, give it up :( Sep 14 07:00:22 why?!? Sep 14 07:01:13 freemangordon, I don't know where is the source, and how to look for and read it ... Sep 14 07:08:30 LaoLang_cool: your dbus interface if com.nokia.osso_addressbook Sep 14 07:08:41 s/if/is/ Sep 14 07:08:41 freemangordon meant: LaoLang_cool: your dbus interface is com.nokia.osso_addressbook Sep 14 07:09:25 freemangordon, so? Sep 14 07:09:32 I don't know about it :( Sep 14 07:09:49 Could you give me an example please? Sep 14 07:13:21 dbus-send --print-reply --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.osso_addressbook /com/nokia/osso_addressbook com.nokia.osso_addressbook.search_append string:"a" Sep 14 07:22:08 freemangordon, cool, thank you! Sep 14 07:22:20 I think it should be added to the wiki Sep 14 07:22:51 well, add it :P Sep 14 07:23:08 freemangordon, how to append a ? Sep 14 07:23:16 what? Sep 14 07:23:21 I want sth like: "LaoLang_cool\r" Sep 14 07:23:22 \n? Sep 14 07:23:33 but but Sep 14 07:23:48 you cannot have "\r" on the address book Sep 14 07:23:52 it will append "\n"... Sep 14 07:24:09 freemangordon, I want to simulate a click action Sep 14 07:24:15 aah :) Sep 14 07:24:18 no idea Sep 14 07:25:07 freemangordon, any other command except com.nokia.osso_addressbook.search_append? Sep 14 07:25:29 open_group, though I don;t know what it does Sep 14 07:26:13 freemangordon, just this one? because com.nokia.osso_addressbook.search_append is for appending string, I want to do a refresh search, no appending Sep 14 07:26:26 I mean I want to do a new serach Sep 14 07:28:08 don't know Sep 14 07:32:21 freemangordon, anyway, thank you, appending also does very helpful! Sep 14 07:35:30 LaoLang_cool: you also may want to chaeck how is an contact added to desktop Sep 14 07:35:56 * freemangordon goes afk Sep 14 07:38:04 what is afk? Sep 14 07:38:09 ~afk Sep 14 07:38:10 [afk] Away From Keyboard Sep 14 07:38:18 oh, enjoy! Sep 14 08:33:31 jpinx; I have a "Japod" from dx.com, it's pretty darn good (1400+ mAh) Sep 14 08:35:50 hm, the akku polarcell is 1520mAh Sep 14 08:36:10 that's neat Sep 14 08:37:08 it costs 13€ though Sep 14 08:37:31 and when you say "is" do you mean 1520 is writtre Sep 14 08:37:36 written on it? Sep 14 08:40:10 polarcell? Sep 14 08:40:18 no, when i say "is" i mean 1500 is written on it and dr_frost_dk tested it for 1520 Sep 14 08:41:13 deepy: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65568 Sep 14 08:41:30 deepy: also, wtf do you want, you don't have a n900 yet! Sep 14 08:45:20 ShadowJK: so... yeah :) Sep 14 08:46:00 I have an extremly powerful phone! Sep 14 08:46:15 I can probably emulate two N900s with it Sep 14 08:46:22 For the full two hours that the battery holds! Sep 14 08:46:38 which phone is this? Sep 14 08:47:41 It's an LG Sep 14 08:48:09 bitch please Sep 14 08:48:16 4X HD Sep 14 08:48:33 I really like it, except three things. the battery life, the call volume and the battery life Sep 14 08:48:52 fun fact: googling "lg 4x" gives you the graph of log(4*x) first Sep 14 08:48:59 :D Sep 14 08:49:22 that graph shows the battery usage pretty well Sep 14 08:49:27 deepy: it's a quad-core 1.5ghz Sep 14 08:49:37 you can probably emulate 9 or 10 n900s Sep 14 08:49:39 at first it's like invincible, but then it escalates quickly and the last 5% work out well Sep 14 08:49:46 kerio: not with that battery no Sep 14 08:50:16 It runs android, Sep 14 08:50:26 No it crawls android. Sep 14 08:50:33 It does not fully support the CPU powersaving modes. Sep 14 08:50:38 hehe Sep 14 08:50:42 that's silly Sep 14 08:50:47 While leaking your private data everywhere like an incontinent dog. Sep 14 08:51:04 vi_: get me a N900 at a price I can afford here in Ireland and I will change Sep 14 08:51:05 deepy: how much does the battery last, in standby? Sep 14 08:51:16 deepy: North or south? Sep 14 08:51:17 in standby I am not sure, I tend to use my phone during the day Sep 14 08:51:19 and don't think the n900's battery lasts a lot Sep 14 08:51:20 Dublin Sep 14 08:51:29 But I need to charge it when I get home after work Sep 14 08:52:11 I charged it before a party that was on a Friday, on saturday morning it was out of battery Sep 14 08:52:26 20m call-time and three texts Sep 14 08:52:51 that's a bit silly, yeah Sep 14 08:52:56 deepy: I do not know about the ROI but you should be able to pick up a good N900 for around £1500 maximum. Sep 14 08:53:04 LOL Sep 14 08:53:14 deepy: Sounds like you have some crap that is wasting your battery life. Sep 14 08:53:20 No phone is that bad. Sep 14 08:53:34 vi_: to give you some insight Sep 14 08:53:38 deepy: i paid 150€ for an almost-new n900 before the summer Sep 14 08:53:56 does android have widgets? Sep 14 08:53:57 I had the same battery life when the phone was new and had just my SIM card and contacts on it Sep 14 08:54:08 Yes, but I have the same widgets as my Nexus One has Sep 14 08:54:12 LITERALLY the same, I moved the APK over Sep 14 08:54:49 I do not know what to suggest. YOu see, us N900 users are notorious android haterz. Sep 14 08:54:54 lol Sep 14 08:55:01 vi_: what about nitdroid? Sep 14 08:55:17 nitroid can go blow a goats asshole. Sep 14 08:55:24 k :c Sep 14 08:55:39 The shit is responsible for more than 50% of the broken n900 spam on TMO. Sep 14 08:55:48 vi_: they're only selling them in strange places like Mullingar or Meath Sep 14 08:56:22 deepy: buy it on the internets Sep 14 08:56:22 deepy: My ROI geography is broken. Sep 14 08:56:30 then it doesn't matter where you are or where the n900 is Sep 14 08:56:36 as long as you're still in the EU Sep 14 08:56:44 But if you can visually inspect it first AND get a good price, that would be ideal. Sep 14 08:57:44 I just offered 110 on one, bah Sep 14 08:58:11 deepy: buy it with paypal, immediately ask for your money back claiming you got a brick in the mail Sep 14 08:58:40 * Arkenoi really does not understand why one could want to run nitdroid except just for hack value Sep 14 08:58:43 not too immediately, though Sep 14 08:59:02 paypal sucks Sep 14 08:59:16 Arkenoi: to register with that weird unofficial whatsapp client Sep 14 08:59:44 O.o Sep 14 09:00:14 kerio: hehe, I have a friend starting at paypal :) Sep 14 09:00:26 deepy: FAIL Sep 14 09:00:32 paypal is obsolete :P Sep 14 09:00:36 Yes but they pay Sep 14 09:00:39 Paypal are scum Sep 14 09:00:45 UTTER SCUM. Sep 14 09:00:50 That's my point, he'll have a jolly good time there! Sep 14 09:00:51 deepy: until they go out of business Sep 14 09:00:51 it's like working at a bank, except that you're not regulated Sep 14 09:00:52 it's brilliant Sep 14 09:01:38 Except for all the poor fucks they steal money from. Sep 14 09:01:38 Luke-Jr: we're talking months here Sep 14 09:02:04 deepy: does he even have a position where he can try to save paypal? Sep 14 09:02:15 He has a position where he can be one of the people who do their job right Sep 14 09:02:19 deepy: are you going to sell your LG? Sep 14 09:02:23 so no Sep 14 09:02:29 kerio: are you interested in buying it? Sep 14 09:02:33 hell naw Sep 14 09:02:35 I'm thinking about cloning my SIM Sep 14 09:02:35 well Sep 14 09:02:43 i'll buy it for 2€ Sep 14 09:02:44 Be a rebel and have two phones Sep 14 09:02:47 deepy: o0 Sep 14 09:03:09 it's not "are you interested in buying it?", it's "how much would you pay for it?" Sep 14 09:03:14 Once you have cloned your sim, be sure to wwrite a white paper on how you circumvented the 3G sim security. Sep 14 09:03:43 What do you mean 3G SIM :)? Sep 14 09:03:56 You will be as famouse as korek. Sep 14 09:03:58 * Arkenoi owns all my kodez (imsi, Ki) Sep 14 09:04:01 There's a reason I still have an old one Sep 14 09:04:11 it's not about sim vs usim Sep 14 09:04:23 But no, I'm probably just going to swap it around Sep 14 09:04:31 Maybe that is why your battery is so shit. Sep 14 09:04:32 dumped it long time ago from old SIM card and never care to get replacements from my operator again Sep 14 09:04:49 It has to step up to 18v just to warm up the valve tubes. Sep 14 09:04:59 hahaha Sep 14 09:05:03 vi_: don't pin this one me! I've done hte exact same things with TWO separate phones in TWO separate countries with TWO separate carriers! Sep 14 09:05:14 aren't most of today's smartphones Very Bad at battery life? Sep 14 09:05:17 was the sim different too? Sep 14 09:05:28 tadzik: the n900 is a today's smartphone Sep 14 09:05:33 and it doesn't have a bad battery life, really Sep 14 09:05:37 tadzik: No, just poorly programmned operating systems. Sep 14 09:05:38 no it's not, it's 3 years old smartphone Sep 14 09:06:00 N900 is the ONLY smartphone ever made it to production. Sep 14 09:06:01 I don't say it can't compete Sep 14 09:06:01 tadzik: it's the latest, in its run Sep 14 09:06:11 is it even produced yet? Sep 14 09:06:25 it fucking should Sep 14 09:06:32 *sigh*, well Sep 14 09:06:45 Comparing an N900 with android is like compairing an TI82 with an HP49G+ Sep 14 09:07:02 you're comparing hardware to the OS Sep 14 09:07:05 vi_: the TI82 is an overpriced piece of crap though Sep 14 09:07:16 the TI82 is obsolete. Sep 14 09:07:24 even brand new, it was overpriced Sep 14 09:09:58 There was some bro on reddit jerkin off about how he had 'programmned' his android phone to say shit to him when he got to work and to txt his wife. Sep 14 09:10:26 When he got to work his phone would say 'I have txt your wife to let her know you have arrived at work safely'. Sep 14 09:10:32 haha Sep 14 09:10:39 as kerio would say Sep 14 09:10:44 b* please. Sep 14 09:10:54 THe N900 can do that out of the box. Sep 14 09:10:59 In chinese if you want. Sep 14 09:11:02 yeah, that's like a dbus message and a call to speex Sep 14 09:11:10 well no, you need speex for voice synth Sep 14 09:11:14 it's not preinstalled Sep 14 09:11:19 speex, festival, espeak. Take you pick. Sep 14 09:11:28 how's python in the N900? Sep 14 09:11:36 deepy: Full on. Sep 14 09:11:37 deepy: 2.5-ish Sep 14 09:11:44 hnnngg Sep 14 09:12:04 heh, yeah Sep 14 09:12:08 but i suppose that the armel debian binary package would work Sep 14 09:12:28 deepy: mind the optification though Sep 14 09:12:34 ~optification Sep 14 09:12:35 optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the systeminit *and* partitioning is FUBAR, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish they looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 dot3" Sep 14 09:12:50 This guy seemed so legit at first too! I was about to buy it! http://www.adverts.ie/mobile-phones/nokia-n900-sim-free/2013442?notification=35fa66562a16a44037b0033ff949a5f0-1347025060#comment_9831127 Sep 14 09:12:57 the python release in extras(-devel) uses bindmounts to make everything work fine though Sep 14 09:12:59 err, I meant to paste teh comment but whatever Sep 14 09:12:59 I have had it in my mind to write a script that would automate txt'ing mrs vi__ Sep 14 09:13:00 without clogging the rootfs Sep 14 09:13:27 deepy: hehe Sep 14 09:13:28 It would generate a sentence from some pre defined lists. Sep 14 09:13:36 Look at that ad, can you spot the 3 things that made me run the opposite direction? Sep 14 09:13:39 To say something nice. Sep 14 09:14:09 And message it out within a 2 hour window on some random days. Sep 14 09:14:25 haha Sep 14 09:14:38 That seems prone to fail, it'll say the same thing twice on the exact same time two days in a row Sep 14 09:15:17 She is a girl. She will not notice. Sep 14 09:15:29 She will be too busy thinking about unicorns and cakes. Sep 14 09:15:48 That's like saying: "Oh, he's a fireman, he won't notice if his house is on fire." Sep 14 09:16:11 That doesnt make any sense. Sep 14 09:16:21 vi_: *you* don't make any sense! Sep 14 09:16:36 Neither does Poe if you read it backwards Sep 14 09:16:41 eop? Sep 14 09:17:06 I read that as end of pony Sep 14 09:55:06 @Deepy:dont look time and date becouse i forgoten change in the camera if want see come here please Sep 14 09:55:09 Sounds so legit :/ Sep 14 09:56:58 * tadzik tries to unclick the selection Sep 14 10:00:35 deepy: damn you for using colors Sep 14 10:00:36 and LOL Sep 14 10:00:42 Pure accident! Sep 14 10:00:44 yeah, buy it from somewhere else Sep 14 10:00:56 also it bothers the heck out of me too :P Sep 14 10:00:56 hold on, what does "come here" mean? Sep 14 10:01:03 it means that other city which is way out Sep 14 10:01:49 i wouldn't go Sep 14 10:02:25 If I lived there I would've gone and checked it out Sep 14 10:02:33 and noted it to be a waste of time Sep 14 10:05:23 deepy: you'll get killed Sep 14 10:47:45 kerio: no no, there's only nice people Sep 14 10:48:01 Deepy placed offer 14/09/2012 9:57 am (1 hour ago): €110 Offered, If we can meet in Dublin on Saturday/Sunday Sep 14 10:48:05 Ju5tin says 14/09/2012 10:57 am (50 minutes ago): pm@Deepy Sep 14 10:48:06 YES! Sep 14 10:48:10 :D Sep 14 10:49:07 yay Sep 14 13:39:46 ux äp5c 1pi Sep 14 13:53:44 does the nopp run ok with charger plugged in but battery out? Sep 14 13:54:00 ...n900 I mean.. Sep 14 13:57:18 jpinx: nope Sep 14 13:57:19 not even close Sep 14 13:57:37 ok .. thanks Sep 14 13:58:47 jpinx: see my thread on tmo though Sep 14 13:59:06 jpinx: it's feasible (as long as you don't need modem) Sep 14 13:59:48 something with "hotswap" in title iirc Sep 14 14:00:12 I ran N900 without battery for several hours Sep 14 14:00:33 for booting though you *need* battery Sep 14 14:00:45 ok DocScrutinizer05 . Thanks. I'll check that out Sep 14 14:19:59 offline mode and low brightness are fine, i suppose Sep 14 14:21:08 yep, and "keep backlight on" Sep 14 14:21:22 any brightness Sep 14 14:22:10 as soon as screen blanks, charger chip detects end of charging and powers down system ungracefully Sep 14 14:25:18 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=57734 Sep 14 14:25:22 jpinx: ^^^ Sep 14 14:26:55 thanks DocScrutinizer05 :) Sep 14 14:27:08 * jpinx lastlogs.... Sep 14 14:29:07 sleepytime here. Back to solutions tomorrow... Sep 14 14:33:21 are chinese capable of making anything that is not utter shit? Sep 14 14:35:10 vi_: yes Sep 14 14:35:17 they're probably not willing, though Sep 14 14:35:44 meh, they just go with the flow. Sep 14 14:36:11 the Xiaomi phones are actually decent, shame all the OEMs going for that kind of thing go with Android Sep 14 15:07:05 "I'm here to defend my prophet Mohammed. I'm angry for the Amaricans haven't blocked that movie on internet" -- Oh yeah, sure Sep 14 15:08:02 Don't worry, the Cairo embassy you tried to burn down agrees with you. Sep 14 15:08:42 :-P Sep 14 15:08:52 what a bunch of morons Sep 14 15:11:25 wait until they find out that the allegedly copt christian actually been a muslim sent by el Qaida to produce this crap movie to mobilze the islamic world against the west Sep 14 15:11:56 whom will the lynch THEN? Sep 14 15:12:01 they* Sep 14 15:14:27 and if it finally turns out the servers where the movie got hosted are in turkey or even saudi-arabia, where no US gvmt has any means to "block that movie", will they demand for US troops to raid this country and blow up the building where the servers are located? Sep 14 15:15:32 (not that US gvmt has any means or legitimation to block that movie when it was hosted on US located servers either) Sep 14 15:15:49 ECHAN Sep 14 15:16:30 not really, if you wanna shout OT please do Sep 14 15:16:47 OT! Sep 14 15:17:20 The outrage is probably largely manufactured. Sep 14 15:17:46 of course it is Sep 14 15:18:03 religion is just a way to exert control over a populace Sep 14 15:18:13 or, well, a group of people Sep 14 15:19:14 now the mob atacking German and GB embassy, fine! They really do all to make us love them Sep 14 15:28:14 * DocScrutinizer05 evaluates nuking some embasy of an islamic country because their government hasn't managed to stop morons stomping on and incinerating German flag Sep 14 15:29:50 what's the settings app called? Sep 14 15:31:27 oh wtf Sep 14 15:31:36 killing hildon-home *once* caused a reboot Sep 14 15:31:46 heh? Sep 14 15:32:04 to be fair i also made the settings app crash multiple times Sep 14 15:32:12 ooh Sep 14 15:32:16 i assume it's the same? Sep 14 15:32:25 dunno Sep 14 15:32:47 the status menu probably is Sep 14 15:32:57 oh no, it's controlpanel Sep 14 15:36:59 /join #qt-qnx Sep 14 15:37:01 grr Sep 14 17:24:14 hi there Sep 14 17:24:14 err Sep 14 17:24:31 how do i charge bricked phone ? Sep 14 17:24:43 i *think* its bricked since its bootlooping Sep 14 17:25:07 if it is booting then it is not bricked Sep 14 17:25:35 when it reboots? Sep 14 17:25:55 and what phone? Sep 14 17:26:04 actually freezes Sep 14 17:26:08 on nokia screen Sep 14 17:26:15 n900 Sep 14 17:26:24 hmm, which kernel? Sep 14 17:26:35 power 51 Sep 14 17:26:48 did you rty to reflash it? Sep 14 17:26:51 rootfs Sep 14 17:27:12 hm Sep 14 17:27:28 what if the battery is too low in charge Sep 14 17:27:38 you'll only lose your software, data will be ok Sep 14 17:28:00 I think it uses usb to power the device while flashing Sep 14 17:28:05 maght be wrong Sep 14 17:28:09 *might Sep 14 17:28:10 guess not Sep 14 17:28:29 hmm Sep 14 17:28:56 well, it won't become worse that now :) Sep 14 17:29:05 lol Sep 14 17:29:14 i somehow need to charge up the battery Sep 14 17:29:18 :/ Sep 14 17:29:33 but what is the point if it does not boot? Sep 14 17:30:19 btw if it is stuck on nokia logo, it means there is not kernel Sep 14 17:30:23 iirc Sep 14 17:30:36 you may want to flash kernel zImage only Sep 14 17:30:57 it worked before this reboot Sep 14 17:31:08 thats what bothers me Sep 14 17:31:25 so you just reboot and BAM Sep 14 17:31:33 yup Sep 14 17:31:54 did you install anything since the last reboot? Sep 14 17:31:59 esp kernel Sep 14 17:32:06 nope Sep 14 17:32:11 installed kernel Sep 14 17:32:14 rebooted Sep 14 17:32:17 worked fine Sep 14 17:32:47 how did you reboot? Sep 14 17:33:13 shut down via switch Sep 14 17:33:17 and then turn on Sep 14 17:34:17 did you try to remove the battery? Sep 14 17:34:23 yes Sep 14 17:34:27 fuck Sep 14 17:34:51 well, flash seems iminent Sep 14 17:34:56 probably dead battery Sep 14 17:35:01 naah Sep 14 17:35:06 dhbiker: if it's bootlooping and the battery is too low, YOU GOT A BRICK SON Sep 14 17:35:08 you won't have nokia logo Sep 14 17:35:27 kerio: i thought so Sep 14 17:35:27 kerio: don't scare him Sep 14 17:35:32 bullshit Sep 14 17:35:47 well, it's an easy unbrick - you need to charge your battery Sep 14 17:35:50 he have a dead battery, not a brick Sep 14 17:35:59 *has Sep 14 17:36:02 kerio: problem is *HOW* Sep 14 17:36:18 dhbiker: any spare battery? Sep 14 17:36:24 no :( Sep 14 17:36:31 wait, you say it freezes on Nokia logo? Sep 14 17:36:38 yes Sep 14 17:36:41 dhbiker: do you know someone with a 5800? Sep 14 17:36:49 or asha Sep 14 17:37:00 kerio: but it is not the batter Sep 14 17:37:04 y Sep 14 17:37:09 hm Sep 14 17:37:20 i think i know someone with 5800 Sep 14 17:37:28 freemangordon: please don't tell nonsense about flashing Sep 14 17:37:47 it's a well known fact that flashing depends on charged battery Sep 14 17:37:48 seems like corrupted nand/missing kernel/missing kernel modules Sep 14 17:38:07 i can restore the backup via backupmenu Sep 14 17:38:10 thats not a problem Sep 14 17:38:19 problem is charging the battery somehow Sep 14 17:38:30 DocScrutinizer05: won;t argue, I am not an experienced flasher Sep 14 17:39:06 but even 10-15 percent charge should be more than enough Sep 14 17:39:19 dhbiker: will device show pesistent USB logo in upper right corner of NOKIA screen when you hold 'u' key while plugging in WALLCHARGER to powered down N900? Sep 14 17:39:36 freemangordon: no Sep 14 17:39:36 yes its present Sep 14 17:39:44 DocScrutinizer05: ok Sep 14 17:39:48 then your battery is fine for flashing Sep 14 17:40:04 it shows up fpr few secs Sep 14 17:40:05 though Sep 14 17:40:10 stop bootlooping though, it only depletes battery Sep 14 17:40:12 for* Sep 14 17:40:20 nah, it has to STAY Sep 14 17:40:26 ok then no Sep 14 17:40:32 when it vanishes, this means battery too low Sep 14 17:40:40 bah :( Sep 14 17:40:50 find someone with 5800 or asha Sep 14 17:41:05 (or n900 :P ) Sep 14 17:41:12 or get external charger Sep 14 17:42:58 k tnx for now Sep 14 17:43:03 yw Sep 14 17:43:11 ill try to contact someone somehow xD Sep 14 17:43:26 if you want to buy an external charger, buy the nokia one Sep 14 17:43:42 sounds expensive Sep 14 17:43:46 agree Sep 14 17:46:47 but it's cute! Sep 14 17:48:03 I'd rather get a used N900 for 80 bucks, than a new nokia charger for 40 Sep 14 17:48:12 ;-) Sep 14 18:00:17 kerio: according to some report in the internets DT-33 charger is a tad too smart. It stops charging at max 1000mAh Sep 14 18:00:26 hard to believe Sep 14 18:01:00 but allegedly info straight from Nokia care Sep 14 19:37:16 Love you all... I'm off IRC for the weekend... Will be back Monday. Contact Council via mail if something explodes. :) Sep 14 20:29:37 DocScrutinizer05: I'd rather get an n950 for 40 bucks ;) Sep 14 20:30:03 won't charge BL-5J Sep 14 20:30:30 so it's obviously a useless device ;-P Sep 14 20:34:32 teotwaki_: n950 fr 40$? Sep 14 20:34:35 good luck Sep 14 20:43:05 i'd buy it Sep 14 21:53:47 sandisk Extreme Pro: 16GB, 80MB/s read 74MB/s write Sep 14 21:54:59 even *if* this card sucks terribly on random r/w it still has to be kinda above par? Sep 14 21:55:40 NB MB not Mb Sep 14 21:57:01 uhm Sep 14 21:57:09 the cssu update requires nokia pc suite? Sep 14 21:57:11 what's up with that? Sep 14 21:57:55 :) Sep 14 21:58:05 did you see GENERAL NOTICE? Sep 14 21:58:09 no Sep 14 21:58:26 it says "update operator name widget first" Sep 14 21:58:48 uhm Sep 14 21:59:12 ok Sep 14 22:00:31 i don't really even use the N900 anymore since hte modem died Sep 14 22:00:33 lol Sep 14 22:00:38 i don't even know why i'm going through the trouble Sep 14 22:01:03 maybe because you love maemo and N900 so much? Sep 14 22:01:31 yeah :'( Sep 14 22:01:34 wish the damn thing worked Sep 14 22:01:42 (btw N900 are kinda el-cheapo now, when you can find any on fleabay) Sep 14 22:01:57 not cheap enough to buy a 3rd one Sep 14 22:02:00 yeah, 150€ for a tiny linux computer is really not a lot Sep 14 22:02:16 especially a tiny linux computer merged with what is, after all, still a fairly decent phone Sep 14 22:02:32 oh Sep 14 22:02:33 yeah they are Sep 14 22:02:36 wow what happened? Sep 14 22:02:40 people just trying to dump them now? :) Sep 14 22:02:48 last i checked they were like $300 Sep 14 22:02:52 other fools spend 600 bucks every year, just to have the right digit after the "iPhone" brandname Sep 14 22:02:54 well, at some point in the past nokia hired a new CEO... Sep 14 22:03:18 I'd rather happily spend 150 bucks every 3 months Sep 14 22:03:26 for a new used N900 Sep 14 22:03:32 but i have att now Sep 14 22:03:35 no 3G :-/ Sep 14 22:03:40 mind you, 150€ was for a *really* new used phone Sep 14 22:03:56 heh Sep 14 22:03:57 GGon: see, your problem is that you chose not to be in europe Sep 14 22:04:09 kerio: hahaha! Sep 14 22:04:12 i didn't choose that ;) Sep 14 22:04:42 not enough battery power? Sep 14 22:04:48 and my meter is at like 75%? :) Sep 14 22:04:50 wth? Sep 14 22:05:31 srsly though, what's with the US of A? Sep 14 22:06:00 who knows Sep 14 22:06:01 awful mobile infrastructure, data caps on home connections, mitt romney... Sep 14 22:06:05 (75%) yeah there's some weird battery check in HAM, for system updates Sep 14 22:06:16 iirc Sep 14 22:06:17 kerio: obama Sep 14 22:06:25 kerio: canada is worse with their cell networks ;) Sep 14 22:06:42 i think it's an America thing Sep 14 22:06:42 canada is also worse with their prime minister, or so i heard Sep 14 22:07:00 blame Canada! Sep 14 22:07:06 we have a socialist govt nowadays Sep 14 22:07:12 USA.. the new Greece Sep 14 22:07:19 PFFF Sep 14 22:07:30 anyway, phones in general are fscked in the US Sep 14 22:07:37 hell, you guys pay to *receive* stuff Sep 14 22:07:41 i want a lumia 920 Sep 14 22:07:43 * GGon hides Sep 14 22:08:16 unlike Greece, the USA never had any scruple to print as many $$$$ as they need Sep 14 22:08:29 (stuff = phone calls and SMSes) Sep 14 22:08:29 uhm Sep 14 22:08:42 DocScrutinizer05: you might want to do some research on money printing and try again ;) Sep 14 22:08:50 bitcoins are the future anyway Sep 14 22:09:00 lol Sep 14 22:09:10 no, seriously Sep 14 22:09:17 it's a fucking brilliant concept Sep 14 22:09:22 GGon: I just have to listen to Grenspan Sep 14 22:09:24 so is communism :) Sep 14 22:09:28 or what's his name Sep 14 22:09:32 yes it is :c Sep 14 22:09:35 bernake? Sep 14 22:09:39 or something like that? Sep 14 22:10:38 n900 rebooting! Sep 14 22:10:39 he even blamed Europe not to do the same Sep 14 22:10:42 with new cssu!! wooo! Sep 14 22:10:48 well, now we do Sep 14 22:10:51 :-/ Sep 14 22:10:51 wooo! Sep 14 22:10:59 phone is still busted though Sep 14 22:11:08 :-/ Sep 14 22:11:13 just stab and twist huh? Sep 14 22:11:16 *pat pat* Sep 14 22:11:53 at least i can use it to irc from the toilet or something :-P Sep 14 22:12:23 I watched a Star Trek episode on mine today, debian maintainers apparently screwed up mplayer recently Sep 14 22:12:24 so almost as good as N810, which I used like 4h every day, for almost 2 yeras Sep 14 22:12:29 years even Sep 14 22:12:54 is there a way to disable the modem altogether? Sep 14 22:13:03 ie: not make it try to access the sim and go into like NIT mode or something? Sep 14 22:13:08 (CSSU feature request?) Sep 14 22:13:09 yeah, called tabölet mode Sep 14 22:13:18 really?? Sep 14 22:13:22 yes really Sep 14 22:13:24 where is that?? Sep 14 22:13:32 app in extras-* Sep 14 22:13:46 links into power button menu Sep 14 22:13:56 no way Sep 14 22:13:59 next to airplane mode Sep 14 22:14:06 wow wtf. this whole time? Sep 14 22:14:08 lol Sep 14 22:14:25 my battery was probably getting murdered by it continuing to try to access the sim Sep 14 22:14:30 does it rid me of that no sim icon? Sep 14 22:14:37 yes Sep 14 22:14:46 afaik Sep 14 22:14:48 win! Sep 14 22:14:50 yeah Sep 14 22:14:54 it doesn't get rid of the space, though Sep 14 22:14:55 iirc Sep 14 22:15:19 but it does actually disable the modem right? Sep 14 22:15:19 heh Sep 14 22:15:25 yeah, it does Sep 14 22:15:28 it's not just some hackery to disable warning msgs? Sep 14 22:15:30 nice Sep 14 22:15:31 will try hard to do so, yes Sep 14 22:15:54 afaik it's a weird function that's already there, there's just not a menu entry for it? Sep 14 22:15:57 awesome Sep 14 22:16:03 yep Sep 14 22:16:15 #maemo saves the day again! ^_^ Sep 14 22:16:17 just finished installing it :) Sep 14 22:16:20 kerio: haha Sep 14 22:16:30 yeah the battery was probably gettin gmurdered by the sim requests by the modem Sep 14 22:16:41 THE BROKEN MODEM Sep 14 22:16:43 ugh Sep 14 22:16:45 haha Sep 14 22:16:49 constant reboots of modem might kill battery, yes Sep 14 22:16:52 i wonder if it can be repaired Sep 14 22:17:03 no Sep 14 22:17:04 it would be cheaper to just buy a new one Sep 14 22:17:05 i imagine the modem chip is kinda hard to come buy Sep 14 22:17:08 *by Sep 14 22:17:18 :nod: Sep 14 22:17:43 ok Sep 14 22:17:48 not seeing a "tablet mode" Sep 14 22:17:50 better? Sep 14 22:17:58 when i get the power button menu Sep 14 22:18:03 GGon: killall... something Sep 14 22:18:06 or reboot, i guess Sep 14 22:18:07 I guess you need a H-D restart (aka boot) Sep 14 22:18:15 blah Sep 14 22:18:31 killall hildon-desktop Sep 14 22:18:36 might as well use a windows phone :) Sep 14 22:18:43 * GGon hides again Sep 14 22:18:50 lumia 920 has build in induction charging Sep 14 22:18:55 really? :O Sep 14 22:18:59 do "killall hildon-desktop" on a windows phone! ;-P Sep 14 22:19:02 that would be seriously neat Sep 14 22:19:18 kerio: yes, it has Sep 14 22:19:22 Qi standard Sep 14 22:19:38 goddammit why am i still plugging cords Sep 14 22:20:01 hm, i wonder if it could be done on the n900 Sep 14 22:20:03 Additionally, the Lumia 920 supports built-in wireless charging and near-field communications. Nokia will offer its own charging plate, but design company Fatboywill sell a wireless charging pillow as well. Virgin Atlantic plans to install wireless charging pads in its Heathrow Airport lounge, and Coffee Bean will install wireless charging pads in its shops. JBL will sell a speaker dock called PowerUp, which charges the phone wirelessly and pairs through NFC. Sep 14 22:20:05 and Nokia pushing so every publish shitbooth gets a charger integrated Sep 14 22:20:08 how think is the phone part? Sep 14 22:20:14 public* Sep 14 22:20:55 well Sep 14 22:21:00 i'm surprised apple didn't do it first ;) Sep 14 22:21:10 like MS with their keyboard smartpad for their win8 tablet Sep 14 22:21:15 apple is slipping Sep 14 22:21:36 ok Sep 14 22:21:40 i am still not seeing this menu option Sep 14 22:21:51 I recently heard Jobs took the reality distortion field with him. Or was it the other way round? Sep 14 22:22:02 all i see is offline mode Sep 14 22:22:17 hmm, weird Sep 14 22:22:19 GGon: :s Sep 14 22:22:35 to be fair sometimes i used to not get it, on my old n900 Sep 14 22:22:40 ...when the modem crashed for some reason Sep 14 22:22:47 OH THE IRONY Sep 14 22:22:55 lol Sep 14 22:23:04 well i don't get the menu option to disable the modem in the power button menu Sep 14 22:23:10 is there somewhere else i can activate the tablet mode? Sep 14 22:23:11 ~phonecontrol Sep 14 22:23:11 extra, extra, read all about it, phonecontrol is http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control Sep 14 22:23:56 uhm Sep 14 22:24:41 http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Disable_cellular_radio Sep 14 22:25:39 dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.phone.SSC /com/nokia/phone/SSC com.nokia.phone.SSC.set_radio boolean:false Sep 14 22:25:44 for your convenience Sep 14 22:26:15 you might want to add --print-reply Sep 14 22:31:26 GGon: don't leave us hanging like this! Sep 14 22:31:44 GGon: if you want to go for it, there are for sure more smart ways to tweak system in a way so it never even powers up the modem Sep 14 22:32:31 DocScrutinizer51: like what? Sep 14 22:32:37 (also, what's 05?) Sep 14 22:33:20 alas I'm sill looking for the O'Reilly book 'maemo unleashed' to answer this question in detail Sep 14 22:33:27 hahah Sep 14 22:33:28 i'd buy it Sep 14 22:33:33 for 2€ shipped Sep 14 22:33:57 hm Sep 14 22:34:03 ok still no menu :) Sep 14 22:34:09 3€ for maemo unleashed + harmattan unshackled, in a bundle Sep 14 22:34:19 * Macer sigh Sep 14 22:34:26 hope the modem is off heh Sep 14 22:34:33 actually, i'd even pay about tree fiddy for it Sep 14 22:34:53 Macer: check dmesg/syslog Sep 14 22:35:59 kerio: I'll tell you what to pay if we ever run into each other Sep 14 22:36:30 i dont even think i have syslog running Sep 14 22:36:34 meh Sep 14 22:36:35 I bet you oew me 2 beer already Sep 14 22:36:47 owe Sep 14 22:38:32 DocScrutinizer05: hrmpf :c Sep 14 22:38:44 so you're just doing it for the booze? D: Sep 14 22:38:45 need to eat Sep 14 22:38:48 later Sep 14 22:39:55 damn opera is awesome Sep 14 22:39:59 meh, keep the tally, i'll pay for it Sep 14 22:40:04 at least full opera is Sep 14 22:40:14 mobile/mini not so much Sep 14 22:40:14 eventually Sep 14 22:40:31 GGon: meh, opera mobile on the n900 is kinda useless Sep 14 22:40:36 well.. i guess mobile/mini opera isn't too bad Sep 14 22:40:48 but is lacking a "copy link" option for links Sep 14 22:40:49 i only keep it there to be able to say "i've got three browsers on my phone" Sep 14 22:41:08 on my windows and linux boxes opera is all i've been using Sep 14 22:41:13 it's chrome sans google Sep 14 22:41:31 GGon: oh, so you're one of *those* Sep 14 22:41:39 those? Sep 14 22:41:48 * kerio looks at GGon with disgust Sep 14 22:42:05 an...... opera user? :) Sep 14 22:42:14 yeah Sep 14 22:42:31 lol Sep 14 22:42:46 well... ie sucks.. ff sucks almost as bad as ie.. chrome is google sucking up every bit of information on you they legally can... Sep 14 22:42:50 so opera is all that is left :) Sep 14 22:42:59 unless you get other off brand ones Sep 14 22:43:30 Konqueror FTW Sep 14 22:43:32 rekonq wasn't too bad but has a lot of issues still Sep 14 22:43:36 DocScrutinizer05: oh you Sep 14 22:43:36 DocScrutinizer51: heh Sep 14 22:44:39 safari was/is shit Sep 14 22:45:12 i'm a big fan of never having redundant stuff... so i only allow 1 browser on anything Sep 14 22:45:20 rekonq was a positive surprise Sep 14 22:45:34 Skry: it still needs work ;) Sep 14 22:45:59 but renders better than konqueror nonetheless... i haven't used it in quite a while tho.. just like opera Sep 14 22:46:03 opera can rival chrome easily Sep 14 22:46:33 actually I didnt notice anything that needs work in it, some minor rendering issues and few crashes but nothing that big Sep 14 22:46:43 open windows[number(tabs)]: system-monitor; Konsole[2(10)]; Konqueror[25]; Konversation[1(20)]; Ding; Kwrite[7(10)]; FireFox[3]; Okular[3]; Yast; LibreOffice Sep 14 22:47:20 why the firefox? :) Sep 14 22:47:27 YOU HAVE KONQUEROR! Sep 14 22:47:32 some BS crap needs FF Sep 14 22:47:36 Skry: i haven't used it in a long time Sep 14 22:47:40 DocScrutinizer51: like zimbra? :-P Sep 14 22:47:44 zimbra was so fail Sep 14 22:48:04 i think in the last 10 years .. minus nokia.. zimbra was probably the biggest let down i encountered Sep 14 22:48:16 and the touchbook Sep 14 22:48:20 like Linksys wrt54G router Sep 14 22:48:28 i still hope that damn frog choked on my money for getting that piece of shit Sep 14 22:49:00 really? my wrt54g rendered fine in konqueror Sep 14 22:49:03 it's quite basic Sep 14 22:49:14 i'm running ddwrt on it Sep 14 22:49:16 not reallly Sep 14 22:49:30 opera works with it ;) Sep 14 22:49:45 i haven't ran into anything yet opera can't handle.. and i was expecting to find something on day 1 Sep 14 22:49:47 WRT54GL Sep 14 22:49:51 rev1.1 Sep 14 22:50:11 yeah ddwrt will prolly work Sep 14 22:50:13 DocScrutinizer51: i'm sure their interface is pretty much the same in the wrt54g series Sep 14 22:50:32 i actually got a newer dual band router but wound up still getting shit speeds so jjust brought it back Sep 14 22:50:37 and went to my 54g Sep 14 22:50:41 at its solid 2MB/s :-/ Sep 14 22:50:48 pff, time to mentally murder self with pvr sgx drivers Sep 14 22:50:58 sgx drivers? Sep 14 22:51:06 not that old chestnut :) Sep 14 22:51:54 hey, wrt54gl case is built to stack them. WTF? Sep 14 22:52:34 I mean, who would stack WLAN AP? Sep 14 22:53:28 not only would it be insane regarding antenna interference Sep 14 22:53:47 also: WHY? Sep 14 22:54:29 i'd like to be able to stack all my internet stuff Sep 14 22:54:52 they better had provided any sane means to bolt the crap to the wall Sep 14 22:54:55 right now i have an wrt54g and my ISP's completely unstackable DSL router Sep 14 22:55:04 takes up a ridiculous amount of space Sep 14 22:55:51 GGon: Yeah, sgx, the one in N900. Trying to get those to build and maybe even work with later kernels. Well, modules build, 2d works on framebuffer but everything else pretty much fails, including Xorg. Sep 14 22:55:54 jonne|reconnecte: just wrt54gl is no DSL router, it's a 4-switch with 802.11g Sep 14 22:56:46 did i say anything that would make one assume i thought it wasn't? Sep 14 22:56:56 if you switch off the WLAN in one of two, you get a stack of a wlan-rouetr-switch with a switch :-S Sep 14 22:57:56 I see no sane usecase in such a stack Sep 14 23:00:55 GGon: how do you like ddwrt? is it oppering advanced configuration? like "cron for ifdown/ifup" Sep 14 23:01:06 offering* Sep 14 23:01:30 proper NAT Sep 14 23:01:41 etc Sep 14 23:37:24 or maybe a better question: what's the recommended version? Sep 14 23:37:48 or is maybe openWRT the better alternative? Sep 15 00:12:43 this SGX stuff is wicked Sep 15 00:14:44 SDK grabs * from drivers/gpu/drm and adds it's own device add and remove mechanisms in drm.ko :S Sep 15 00:14:58 I think that should be done within driver Sep 15 00:19:58 DocScrutinizer05: i always stuck with ddwrt Sep 15 00:20:06 but they are for the most part the same Sep 15 00:20:59 I'm just swearing how to configure that shit without losing internet via true active 192.168.1.1 router Sep 15 00:22:30 do they really need to run DHCP on that useless brick?, do they really think it has to assign most common LAN addr to itself, for configuration purposes? Sep 15 00:23:32 couldn't it first check if maybe there's already a DHCP out there, and gently accept what this other DHCP assigns to it? Sep 15 00:24:48 ooh, it seems it actually does (when you connect to switch via WAN port), but then it's not responding to that addr / on that port Sep 15 00:25:42 so I need a dedicated (probably not connected to internet) PC to run web config interface on this crap :-( Sep 15 00:26:36 not that it would differ in this regard from any arbitrary other brand of router Sep 15 00:41:28 DocScrutinizer05: DSL? Sep 15 00:41:43 sure Sep 15 00:42:10 I just skip the router and bridge it directly Sep 15 00:42:23 somehow a lot less crash prone Sep 15 00:42:39 no more waking up in the morning to find router needs rebooting Sep 15 00:43:03 obviously you'll need to handle the security implications yourself Sep 15 00:43:37 well, I haven't seen router freeze during last say 5 years. But obviously your suggestion doesn't meet my requirements to serve ~10 devices, half of them via WLAN Sep 15 00:43:54 I see Sep 15 00:44:24 I put wlan/lan on another segment though Sep 15 00:44:51 otheriwse I'd appreciate much to have direct control of WAN traffic, rather than filtered reality by router Sep 15 00:44:54 so uncrashable PC goes in between modem and lan segments Sep 15 00:45:20 awesome to have 2 NICs Sep 15 00:45:32 indeed, and unusual on laptops Sep 15 00:45:50 oh, you have a laptop? Sep 15 00:46:07 * DocScrutinizer05 just tested that docking station's NIC disables the one in Lenovo T500 Sep 15 00:46:20 I suppose a switch can do the same Sep 15 00:46:39 modem doesn't need to be IP addressable btw if in bridge mode Sep 15 00:46:50 hmm Sep 15 00:46:51 just level 2 is workable Sep 15 00:47:24 I forgot the name of the bridge protocol, it's a level below IP Sep 15 00:47:45 or rather, it's the same, so it does not depend on IP Sep 15 00:47:52 yeah, ARP/MAC whatever Sep 15 00:48:06 yeah, in wireshark Sep 15 00:48:22 you can see it broadcast to ask for a concentrator on the segment Sep 15 00:48:31 I doubt any of my switches will do that Sep 15 00:48:57 dumb switches do MAC level, so its good Sep 15 00:49:11 *MAC level routing Sep 15 00:49:25 * DocScrutinizer05 only has "smart switches" ;-) Sep 15 00:49:29 aka routers Sep 15 00:49:39 uh, they insist on IP level routing :( Sep 15 00:50:02 I suppose you can plug the modem and your laptop into the same lan side ports Sep 15 00:50:12 so they are on the same segment Sep 15 00:50:25 assuming your router doesn't isolate each dhcp client Sep 15 00:50:33 usually not Sep 15 00:50:58 there might however be issues with local loopback Sep 15 00:51:11 how so? Sep 15 00:51:39 err, right, modem has no IP, not even public one Sep 15 00:52:01 right, the auth is at the MAC level Sep 15 00:52:12 PPPoE I guess is the buzzword Sep 15 00:52:21 if your modem has a web configure page, it'll no longer be accessible Sep 15 00:52:32 it hasn't Sep 15 00:52:33 just reset it to factory if you need to reach it Sep 15 00:52:36 afaik Sep 15 00:52:37 ok Sep 15 00:52:49 yeah, PPPoE Sep 15 00:53:01 awesome the N900 has a PPPoE client too Sep 15 00:53:45 iirc routers also crash if you have major interference about Sep 15 00:53:46 I actually ponder to try and connect to friggin wrt54gl via WLAN and WPE or what's the name of this abomination Sep 15 00:53:57 2,4GHz cordless phones Sep 15 00:54:13 WPE? Sep 15 00:55:18 this push-button pairing Sep 15 00:55:31 wifi protected setup? Sep 15 00:55:37 yeah Sep 15 00:55:46 I just disable it, since it's known to be insecure Sep 15 00:56:10 I'll do the same, just to flash ddwrt to the brick Sep 15 00:56:46 I'd rather like to use N900 WLAN than to diconnect my main PC from internet/192.168.1.1 router Sep 15 00:57:39 nfc if it would even work to flash firmware via WLAN Sep 15 00:58:18 this is really soooooo :-S Sep 15 00:58:22 I had to use this weird setup mainly because of the dodgy router Sep 15 00:58:39 don't want to loose my irc/torrent connections if router needs rebooting Sep 15 00:59:49 all those routers are for noobs to do config from a windows-CD when unconfigured router already connected to DSL modem and PC Sep 15 01:00:12 and thus PC has no internet connection but pretty easy access to rouer config page Sep 15 01:00:15 >:-( Sep 15 01:00:23 I never touch those ISP CDs Sep 15 01:00:30 me neither Sep 15 01:00:49 but the IP / DHCP problem remains the same Sep 15 01:01:16 in my setup, the PC is always on, so it stays on a fixed IP Sep 15 01:01:29 of course, you'll need to range limit your DHCP Sep 15 01:02:42 the irony: when I connect the WAN port of the router-to-config to an arbitrary port of any of my switches, it receives valid IP 192.168.1.35 from my DHCP master, but of course the router-to-config doesn't allow access to config webpage via wlan port Sep 15 01:03:13 ethernet lan ftw :) Sep 15 01:03:31 I never trusted wlan for anything important Sep 15 01:03:43 WAN Sep 15 01:03:46 not WLAN Sep 15 01:03:53 ok Sep 15 01:04:09 > config webpage via wlan port Sep 15 01:04:12 oops, my fault Sep 15 01:04:24 some config page don't allow over wlan changes Sep 15 01:04:27 doesn't allow access to config webpage via WAN port Sep 15 01:05:00 yeah, it's quite normal Sep 15 01:05:05 sure Sep 15 01:05:13 but it's sooooo annoying Sep 15 01:05:37 I've seen this issue before Sep 15 01:05:52 yeah, you'll need something downstream to change it Sep 15 01:06:34 I think the config page should have a exception page for it Sep 15 01:06:43 add IP exceptions Sep 15 01:06:54 I need a downstream PC that happily asks the dead-end-router to share a DHCP lease, so I can talk to 'my master' on 192.168.1.1 Sep 15 01:08:00 you can actually dumb down the router by disabling it's DHCP and plugging everything into the lan side Sep 15 01:08:09 and since that's the most common IP addr after 127.0.0.1, of course there's NO way to keep internet connection while doing so Sep 15 01:08:18 I did this once for a router with a destroyed WAN port Sep 15 01:08:28 struck by lightning Sep 15 01:09:18 iirc wrt64gl can be told to relay IP addresses and bridge WAN/LAN ports Sep 15 01:09:29 which might be what you're after Sep 15 01:09:41 *relay DHCP Sep 15 01:09:46 yeah, all pretty fine, but *I can't talk to that shit brick* Sep 15 01:10:27 since it's nailed to 192.168.1.1, the same adress my live router is using Sep 15 01:10:53 I'll just take it down and connect it to an un-networked PC to configure it Sep 15 01:11:13 that's exactly what I initially moaned about Sep 15 01:11:45 well, you need to do this once only Sep 15 01:12:01 you're sure about that? Sep 15 01:12:20 I need to download further firmware, wikipages, whatnot Sep 15 01:12:26 yeah, just tell it to use 192.168.2.1 or tell it to relay Sep 15 01:12:30 hmm Sep 15 01:12:43 I don't normally do firmware flashing Sep 15 01:12:59 well, maybe you can change your DHCP config instead of the router? Sep 15 01:13:19 and I can't swap my whole network to 192.168.2.x on the fly - you know, 10 clients, not all of them I have even access to Sep 15 01:13:59 nope, no idea how to proceed without any disruptions Sep 15 01:14:05 several have even fixed IP Sep 15 01:14:57 a spare PC to do configuration would be pretty nice about now Sep 15 01:14:59 entries in /etc/hosts Sep 15 01:15:06 indeed Sep 15 01:15:22 still would lack internet, but yes Sep 15 01:15:59 * DocScrutinizer05 inspects CF-29 for presence of RJ-45 Sep 15 01:16:15 here we are Sep 15 02:15:01 wow, I probably had preferred to work and buy a fritzbox from the earned money ;-P Sep 15 02:16:35 anyway, on CF-29 I can switch between WLAN (internet) and 10BT-ethernet(config the wrt54gl) somewhat conveniently Sep 15 02:17:17 so it wasn't that much of a hassle as I expected Sep 15 02:17:31 jon_y: thanks for heads-up :-) Sep 15 02:21:17 np Sep 15 02:30:09 GGon: tell me you've read _all_ of first post on http://www.dd-wrt.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=51486 Sep 15 02:30:21 ;-P Sep 15 02:31:06 a goddamn master thesis Sep 15 02:47:19 lol **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Sep 15 02:59:59 2012