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Sep 15 06:46:19 <jpinx> for the last dozen or so reboots the filesystem is being mounted read-only. How can I fix this?
Sep 15 06:46:26 <jpinx> n900 maemo
Sep 15 07:04:05 <Sicelo> jpinx: am on the move.. can't help. but the issue has been discussed on tmo
Sep 15 07:07:14 <jpinx> Sicelo: thanks - I'll survive till a more convenient time ;) 
Sep 15 08:24:46 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: your fault for not using 192.168.42.x for your real network :D
Sep 15 08:56:18 <kerio> ohai Pali
Sep 15 08:56:44 <kerio> Pali: have you found things in kp52pre to fix?
Sep 15 08:59:10 <Pali> what to fix?
Sep 15 09:58:24 <kerio> Pali: i don't know, something to change - if you think that prerelease is going to be the same as the next release, i'll install it right away
Sep 15 10:30:56 <dhbiker_> shit ...
Sep 15 10:31:05 <dhbiker_> noone has 5800 or X6
Sep 15 10:31:20 <dhbiker_> i think i'm forced to do that DO NOT DO stuff :(
Sep 15 10:45:08 <kerio> which thing?
Sep 15 10:48:55 <dhbiker_> charging the battery somehow
Sep 15 10:52:38 <kerio> well, how are you going to do that?
Sep 15 10:54:07 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: do bl-5js have builtin overcharge protection?
Sep 15 10:56:07 <dhbiker_> around 5V with limited amps .. somewhere around 500-800mA
Sep 15 10:56:15 <dhbiker_> for short time
Sep 15 10:57:10 <kerio> ohohohoh
Sep 15 10:57:17 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: help
Sep 15 10:57:25 <dhbiker_> lol
Sep 15 10:58:40 <kerio> dhbiker_: anyway, this is what happens if you overcharge a li-ion: http://youtu.be/SMy2_qNO2Y0
Sep 15 10:58:51 <dhbiker_> i know what happens
Sep 15 11:00:30 <kerio> dhbiker_: anyway, iirc the flatbat recovery charges a lot less than that
Sep 15 11:00:43 <kerio> and you only need slightly more than that
Sep 15 11:01:12 * dhbiker_ googles if any mobile store is open today in his city
Sep 15 11:02:07 <kerio> "excuse me, do you have a nokia 5800 that i can borrow?"
Sep 15 11:02:21 <dhbiker_> exactly
Sep 15 11:02:22 <dhbiker_> :D
Sep 15 11:02:53 <dhbiker_> ooh one is open but long walk from here
Sep 15 11:02:54 <dhbiker_> bah
Sep 15 11:04:18 <dhbiker_> bbl hopefully they have any compatible phone *crosses fingers*
Sep 15 11:29:22 <Jaffa> X-Fade: Just sent an email to planet@maemo.org about a feed URL change. Dunno if it's still monitored, tho'
Sep 15 11:29:44 <Jaffa> X-Fade: Ah, no. It goes to quim.gil@nokia.com
Sep 15 11:32:11 <Jaffa> X-Fade: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12667 raised
Sep 15 11:32:12 <povbot_> 04Bug 12667: "Aggregate your blog" link points to planet@maemo.org which bounces
Sep 15 12:05:07 <DocScrutinizer05> kerio: right, right, and right
Sep 15 12:05:21 <kerio> right what?
Sep 15 12:05:37 <DocScrutinizer05> right, my fault, and all the other stuff
Sep 15 12:05:50 * kerio goes to look at the logs
Sep 15 12:06:19 <kerio> oh right, the subnet
Sep 15 12:06:58 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: no, even with 80MB/s read and 74MB/s write you still have no idea whatsoever of the performances of random r/w
Sep 15 12:07:12 <kerio> in fact, most of those "ultra" cards with epic sequential r/w suck *more* at random r/w
Sep 15 13:08:56 <DocScrutinizer05> [GENERAL NOTICE] when updating to new cssu-t5.1 you *must* update operatornem widget _first_, and HAM will install useless catalogs to your list that you shouldn't touch (no, alas those catalogs are not even removable)
Sep 15 13:09:20 <DocScrutinizer05> hmm
Sep 15 13:09:43 <DocScrutinizer05> [GENERAL NOTICE] when updating to new cssu-t5.1 you *must* update operator name widget _first_, and HAM will install useless catalogs to your list that you shouldn't touch (no, alas those catalogs are not even removable)
Sep 15 13:10:22 <jacekowski> no need to repeat
Sep 15 13:10:46 <DocScrutinizer05> no, I as well coul've used s/xxx/yyy/
Sep 15 13:11:56 <DocScrutinizer05> but I don't think the " <infobot> DocScrutinizer05 meant: " prefix is really helpful here
Sep 15 13:15:49 * DocScrutinizer05 ponders to switch to cssu-s
Sep 15 13:17:36 <DocScrutinizer05> or rather, just cherrypick upgrades from cssu and otherwise stay away from it completely - "quality is of paramount importance to CSSU" PFFF
Sep 15 13:43:32 <kerio> dhbiker: how did it go?
Sep 15 13:45:21 <dhbiker> nobody has it :/
Sep 15 13:46:05 <dhbiker> one friend told me that he will take his 5230 an 5800 to me.. but he's not sure if they work or not
Sep 15 13:46:16 <dhbiker> so hopefully i'll have better luck with that
Sep 15 13:49:48 <kerio> well, at least now DocScrutinizer05 is here and he can tell you that feeding current to the battery yourself is a bad, bad, bad idea
Sep 15 13:52:28 <DocScrutinizer05> no, I'm not here. I have to think about my future involvement in cssu
Sep 15 13:56:12 <qwazix> I am trying to gather some info about settings usage for mocking up how the settings application should be. If you've got five minutes please answer some questions https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dFdvajZJRTR4RGJWLXNKcV9xWHpfaXc6MQ
Sep 15 13:56:44 <qwazix> s/application/application in nemo/
Sep 15 13:56:45 <infobot> qwazix meant: I am trying to gather some info about settings usage for mocking up how the settings application in nemo should be. If you've got five minutes please answer some questions https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dFdvajZJRTR4RGJWLXNKcV9xWHpfaX...
Sep 15 14:30:03 <nzerox> hey guys, i have ssu-stable installed, is it possible to update to testing?
Sep 15 14:32:28 <Pali> nzerox, yes, just click on testing icon on wiki
Sep 15 14:32:49 <nzerox> Pali: thank you
Sep 15 14:36:07 <nzerox> Pali: i have the stable installed, will that cause problems
Sep 15 14:36:30 <Pali> I dont think
Sep 15 14:39:30 <nzerox> i'll try it, lets see what happens, lol
Sep 15 14:44:41 <nzerox> poo maemo site is running so slow!
Sep 15 15:28:26 <Ikarus> hey, silly Q, anyone remember how to refuse Ovi terms and conditions but still enable to use the phone
Sep 15 15:31:11 <Ikarus> ah, simply reboot it :)
Sep 15 15:48:25 <DocScrutinizer05> ~cherry
Sep 15 15:48:33 <DocScrutinizer05> ~notmynokia
Sep 15 15:48:36 <DocScrutinizer05> hmm
Sep 15 15:49:26 <DocScrutinizer05> Ikarus: if you already ran into that requester, you're probably just one boot away from sending this cherry SMS nevertheless
Sep 15 15:49:42 <DocScrutinizer05> Ikarus: please check wiki for cherry, and see:
Sep 15 15:49:45 <DocScrutinizer05> ~jrtools
Sep 15 15:49:45 <infobot> jrtools is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools
Sep 15 15:49:59 <DocScrutinizer05> and package "notmynokia"
Sep 15 15:50:03 <Ikarus> DocScrutinizer05: yeah, it sent it anyway, even though I did not agree to it
Sep 15 15:50:14 <DocScrutinizer05> and remove SIM until you finished all this
Sep 15 15:50:16 <Ikarus> wonder if that means I can sue Nokia under EU privacy legislation
Sep 15 15:50:30 <Ikarus> they have acquired private information of me without my permission
Sep 15 15:50:40 <DocScrutinizer05> probably you can. And I'd actually love you seeing to do it
Sep 15 15:50:51 <Ikarus> yeah, it's just a burn of money though
Sep 15 15:51:01 <Ikarus> at best I'll get my right and my cost of the process back
Sep 15 15:51:01 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: to be honest i think the removal of cherry is enough
Sep 15 15:51:07 <kerio> you don't really need notmynokia
Sep 15 15:51:09 <Ikarus> and they'll get a slap on the wrist
Sep 15 15:52:06 <Ikarus> there is no legal penalty in the Netherlands other then being told "Don't do that again"
Sep 15 15:52:12 <Ikarus> well, effectively
Sep 15 15:52:35 <Ikarus> now I have to go retweak my whole N900
Sep 15 15:52:35 <DocScrutinizer05> that's the problem
Sep 15 15:52:41 <Ikarus> was without one for uh, a year or so
Sep 15 15:52:52 <DocScrutinizer05> hey :-D
Sep 15 15:53:03 <Ikarus> and every other phone felt so damned retarded
Sep 15 15:53:05 <DocScrutinizer05> welcome back to the club then!
Sep 15 15:53:10 <kerio> =D
Sep 15 15:53:11 <Ikarus> even faster more modern phones
Sep 15 15:53:16 <kerio> Ikarus: install CSSU
Sep 15 15:53:21 <kerio> and then cssu-thumb!
Sep 15 15:53:57 <Ikarus> kerio: planning to
Sep 15 15:54:09 <Ikarus> but first I need to restore my backups and make it feel like home again
Sep 15 15:54:30 <DocScrutinizer05> kerio: while CSSU-Stable is actually recommended for everybody now (I wonder how long that will hold true), you should refrain from suggesting to indicriminately install cssu-thumb or even cssu-t
Sep 15 15:54:55 <Ikarus> DocScrutinizer05: actually I was planning on trying cssu-thumb
Sep 15 15:55:03 <Ikarus> I know quite well what I am doing 
Sep 15 15:55:09 <DocScrutinizer05> fine
Sep 15 15:55:20 <DocScrutinizer05> no objections
Sep 15 15:55:43 <DocScrutinizer05> just make sure you know what you're doing, and keep BM backups ;-D
Sep 15 15:55:45 <Ikarus> but yes, it is not for all at the moment 
Sep 15 15:55:48 <Ikarus> and yes
Sep 15 15:56:13 <DocScrutinizer05> right now cssu-thumb is kinda... messed up
Sep 15 15:56:19 <DocScrutinizer05> temprarily
Sep 15 15:56:31 <DocScrutinizer05> freemangordon is working hard to sort things out
Sep 15 15:57:05 <freemangordon> yep, everything but -mp think ig uploaded, I am installing the stuff on my -devel device to see if it will survive the reboot :D
Sep 15 15:57:23 <DocScrutinizer05> :-)
Sep 15 16:00:12 <Ikarus> I wonder if Nokia included any of the circuitry to use the in wire control on their headphones on the N900
Sep 15 16:03:07 <Ikarus> btw, any recommendations on mediaplayers, webbrowsers, etc with respect to the original applications and what got developed by the community to improve over it
Sep 15 16:03:15 <kerio> Ikarus: openmediaplayer over mediaplayer
Sep 15 16:03:31 <kerio> and there's a way to make everything open OMP instead of the default 
Sep 15 16:03:44 <kerio> (it still uses mafw/gstreamer and tracker)
Sep 15 16:08:13 <Ikarus> oh and what is the state of calendar syncing ?
Sep 15 16:08:43 <kerio> idk, i use isync
Sep 15 16:09:44 <Ikarus> heh, I'm trying to got to sync to ics files and possibly caldav server, without using Google
Sep 15 16:14:48 <Ikarus> hrm, maemo.org is deadslow here
Sep 15 16:17:25 <qwazix> maemo.org is probably down
Sep 15 16:17:34 <Ikarus> hmmm, openmediaplayer still doesn't allow for aspect ratio changes :(
Sep 15 16:17:49 <Ikarus> which is annoying as alot of videos I stream have a badly encoded aspect ratio
Sep 15 16:18:20 <Ikarus> guess I should create a little patch so it can optionally shove the aspect ratio fixer gstreamer plugin in
Sep 15 16:18:46 <Ikarus> and the same for subtitles
Sep 15 16:20:48 <kerio> Ikarus: aren't those cpu-only?
Sep 15 16:21:35 <Ikarus> kerio: yes, which is slightly inefficient, but so much easier then trying to do multiple things on the DSP 
Sep 15 16:22:42 <kerio> well, i suppose that a linear transformation isn't *that* expensive
Sep 15 16:23:09 <qwazix> Ikarus, there's a package for subtitle support for regular media player, Idk if it works on omp
Sep 15 16:24:38 <Ikarus> hmmm
Sep 15 16:24:50 <Ikarus> kerio: actually you can also do it at a different point in the pipeline
Sep 15 16:25:14 <Ikarus> by manipulating the X11 Xv buffer, which is accelerated on the GPU
Sep 15 16:25:25 <Ikarus> and that comes at almost no cost
Sep 15 17:20:38 <dhbiker> kerio: seems like luck is with me... i didnt even know that my mother has C3 which has exactly the same battery xD
Sep 15 17:20:48 <kerio> yay =D
Sep 15 17:21:52 <dhbiker> at least something
Sep 15 17:40:55 <DocScrutinizer05> dhbiker: \o/
Sep 15 17:41:28 <DocScrutinizer05> dhbiker: snatch away her battery then! ;-P
Sep 15 17:41:49 <dhbiker> ly my thought :D
Sep 15 17:41:55 <dhbiker> exactly*
Sep 15 17:42:29 <kerio> nah, charge yours
Sep 15 17:42:33 <dhbiker> she has it for 4 months
Sep 15 17:42:40 <DocScrutinizer05> pro tip: mark one of both
Sep 15 17:42:53 <dhbiker> i always do that DocScrutinizer05 ;)
Sep 15 18:47:11 <fredrinLap> running thumb update script...
Sep 15 18:49:02 <kerio> fredrinLap: please report success and/or failure in #maemo-ssu
Sep 15 20:26:21 <pavi> Whats wrong with maemo.org website ?  The CSS is not getting loaded ! Is it my specific issue or everyone else is facing the same?
Sep 15 20:26:52 <kerio> pavi: it's Elop's fault
Sep 15 20:30:41 <pavi> kerio, oops the server infrastructure is taken down reently by nokia ?
Sep 15 20:30:50 <pavi> as promised :(
Sep 15 20:30:53 <kerio> hahaha
Sep 15 20:30:56 <kerio> no, it's not
Sep 15 20:31:12 <pavi> ahh not yet ! 
Sep 15 20:33:43 <pavi> a small noob question , I have Qt SDK installed , if I make a QML app . How to get it working on maemo without qml viewer as a native one , do I defnitely need scratch box?
Sep 15 20:34:36 <pavi> I am talking of maemo in n900 
Sep 15 21:34:26 <RST38h> Meanwhile: http://gizmodo.com/5943563/insane-10-sim-card-hotspot-takes-a-valiant-stand-against-roaming
Sep 15 21:35:38 <ShadowJK> awesome
Sep 15 21:35:52 <ShadowJK> but is not having to swap sim cards worth the premium
Sep 15 21:36:57 <ShadowJK> Well, and I guess you'd have to get the cards yourself too
Sep 15 22:19:20 <GGon> cygwin works pretty well from what i remembrer
Sep 15 22:19:22 <GGon> sure wish it had apt :-/
Sep 15 22:20:55 <nox-> cygwin works, but its slow
Sep 15 22:21:09 <nox-> on recent-ish hw an *ix vm is often faster
Sep 15 22:50:32 <GGon> nox-: yeah but then you have that separation
Sep 15 22:50:42 <GGon> cygwin is good for keeping it windows :)
Sep 15 22:51:06 <GGon> i don't know about slow. i'm using it now and it seems fair.. but i haven't done much with it other than bash, lynx, ssh etc
Sep 15 22:51:10 <GGon> the low level stuff
Sep 15 22:51:26 <nox-> *nod*
Sep 15 22:53:07 <Macer> i also learned disabling my broken n900 modem saves battery life :)
Sep 15 22:53:16 <Macer> guess i will use it as a nit
Sep 15 22:53:49 <Macer> almost makes me wish i could buy an enclosure to cover the ear hole
Sep 15 22:54:29 <RST38h> You can buy enclosure for the whole thing, lubricated!
Sep 15 22:54:35 <Macer> heh
Sep 15 22:54:41 * RST38h bing helpful
Sep 15 22:54:43 <RST38h> being
Sep 15 22:54:49 <Macer> i was just going to bondo it and paint it
Sep 15 22:55:21 <kerio> Macer: huh... why?
Sep 15 22:55:29 <Macer> kerio: i was joking
Sep 15 22:55:32 <kerio> sip/skype over wifi
Sep 15 22:55:42 <Macer> oh. yeah guess that's true
Sep 15 22:55:54 <Macer> but skype is a power whore
Sep 15 22:56:05 <RST38h> except that I have never managed to get decent SIP/Skype connectivity from N900
Sep 15 22:56:40 <Macer> skype seemed ok on it
Sep 15 22:56:46 <Macer> just ate a ton of power
Sep 15 22:57:00 <Macer> skype was selling n900s on their site a while back
Sep 15 22:57:16 <RST38h> Not any more though =)
Sep 15 22:57:34 <Macer> i'm taking the windows phone route tho.. unless someone revives maemo in new hardware
Sep 15 22:57:37 <Macer> yeah
Sep 15 22:57:48 <Macer> now you cant even get an n900 on amazon
Sep 15 22:57:50 <Macer> :)
Sep 15 22:59:30 * RST38h ended up with Samsung Note
Sep 15 22:59:49 <RST38h> And yes, Android does suck, although not as much as WinPho
Sep 15 22:59:49 <Macer> fk ad-droid
Sep 15 23:00:04 <beford> note 2?
Sep 15 23:00:24 <Macer> i still have a tf101 im giving to my dad
Sep 15 23:00:27 <Macer> just to get rid of
Sep 15 23:00:33 <RST38h> Macer: COnsider it from this direction: it is either Android or suffering WP7 or joining the cargo cult of Jobs witnesses
Sep 15 23:00:49 <Macer> i migrated all my email off google
Sep 15 23:00:52 <RST38h> Macer: Doesn't the green trashcan look all more attractive now? =)
Sep 15 23:01:03 <RST38h> beford: 1
Sep 15 23:01:07 <Macer> who cares lol. wp isnt bad
Sep 15 23:01:14 <Macer> i like it
Sep 15 23:01:17 <RST38h> beford: the at&t variety, with the buttons.
Sep 15 23:01:24 <RST38h> Macer: ffffffffffuuuuuuuuu
Sep 15 23:01:32 <Macer> hahaha... seriously
Sep 15 23:01:35 <RST38h> Macer: Makes me want to throw up
Sep 15 23:01:40 <Macer> it is surprisingly good ;)
Sep 15 23:01:51 <RST38h> Macer: Just updated lumia today, almost threw up
Sep 15 23:02:27 <Macer> updated?
Sep 15 23:02:42 <Macer> they release 7.8?
Sep 15 23:03:58 <GGon> the update is fine
Sep 15 23:04:02 <GGon> the update was for their broken wifi
Sep 15 23:04:10 <GGon> that kept screwing up when it would reconnect after a couple of times
Sep 15 23:04:26 <GGon> amongst other minor fixes... at least it wasn't lke my tf101 
Sep 15 23:04:30 <RST38h> Macer: they are not telling you what the update is about
Sep 15 23:04:35 <RST38h> so no idea
Sep 15 23:04:44 <GGon> whose broken kernel (that didn't get fixed for over a month) would randomly reboot the tablet
Sep 15 23:04:47 <GGon> omg that was horrible
Sep 15 23:05:39 <GGon> and asus wouldn't admit there was a problem
Sep 15 23:05:43 <GGon> i even went so far as to rma it
Sep 15 23:05:44 <GGon> get a new one
Sep 15 23:05:47 <GGon> with the same problem!
Sep 15 23:05:54 <GGon> i will never buy anything asus ever again
Sep 15 23:06:10 <GGon> RST38h: but the lumia update was for flakey wifi
Sep 15 23:06:15 <GGon> you didn't have problems when it would reconnect? :)
Sep 15 23:06:27 <nox-> i guess you call that banana software...
Sep 15 23:06:29 <GGon> where stuff would timeout for a while then kick in.. or just not work at all?
Sep 15 23:06:56 <GGon> after they fixed that with the update the lumia has been awesome. i love it. still wish i had maemo. but hey.. it is what it is
Sep 15 23:06:59 <GGon> blame obama
Sep 15 23:10:55 <beford> I dont like the wp7 ui
Sep 15 23:13:41 <GGon> i do
Sep 15 23:13:46 <GGon> CYGWIN_NT-6.1-WOW64 ITOP 1.7.16(0.262/5/3) 2012-07-20 22:55 i686 Cygwin
Sep 15 23:14:07 <GGon> i don't mind the tiling system too much.. although i wish they'd release wp7.8 for the lumia so i can use the smaller multi columned tiles
Sep 15 23:14:21 <GGon> i also wish more stuff rotated.. but coming from maemo.. i guess i'm used to that :-P
Sep 15 23:14:33 <GGon> like the tile screen
Sep 15 23:24:05 <Gh0sty> its #maemo here not #wp
Sep 16 01:22:39 <jpinx> for the last dozen or so reboots of my n900 the filesystem is being mounted read-only. How can I fix this?
Sep 16 02:25:10 <merlin1991> jpinx: everything in the file system or only ie MyDocs
Sep 16 02:28:02 <jpinx> merlin1991: probably only MyDocs
Sep 16 02:30:00 <merlin1991> you could unmont it and do a fsckh.vfat on it, though I'd copy my data to a pc first
Sep 16 02:30:42 <jpinx> merlin1991: it's mighty wierd - mount tells me it is rw, but when I try to touch a file in MyDocs it says it's ro
Sep 16 02:31:41 <merlin1991> jpinx: what does it say in /proc/mounts
Sep 16 02:32:30 <GGon> watching horizon
Sep 16 02:32:33 <GGon> love this show
Sep 16 02:32:36 <GGon> british nova heh
Sep 16 02:33:56 <jpinx> merlin1991: tells me everything on /dev/mmcblk0p2 is rw, but /dev/mmcblk0p1 /home/user/MyDocs vfat ro,nosui......
Sep 16 02:34:13 <jpinx> so it appears to be confined to MyDocs
Sep 16 02:34:15 <merlin1991> so probably the kernel remounted it due to a rw error
Sep 16 02:34:20 <jpinx> Hmmm
Sep 16 02:34:34 <jpinx> merlin1991: I can copy off everythig and do what?
Sep 16 02:34:43 <merlin1991> well save your data, unmount it, run fschk.vat on it and reboot
Sep 16 02:34:49 <jpinx> fsck that /dev ?
Sep 16 02:34:53 <merlin1991> yes
Sep 16 02:35:20 <merlin1991> just make sure you save your data first
Sep 16 02:35:30 <jpinx> ok - cool - thanks - I'll backup and do that now while I'm ssh'd into it
Sep 16 02:35:34 <merlin1991> the fsck on maemo is a bit older and prone to ruin the filesystem instead of saving it
Sep 16 02:35:48 <jpinx> Ooops
Sep 16 02:36:14 <merlin1991> as long as you save your data you can just reformat the partition to vfat (everything is on the device)
Sep 16 02:36:38 <merlin1991> fsck, might be just a tad more convenient if it works out :)
Sep 16 02:38:14 <jpinx> ok -rsyncing data now
Sep 16 02:38:38 <jpinx> I'll do the fsck for the sake of trying it - I have time  ;)
Sep 16 02:39:07 <jpinx> merlin1991: just hope it doesn't b0rk the usb modem mode I'm using now,,,
Sep 16 02:40:12 <merlin1991> jpinx: that's more than unlikely
Sep 16 02:40:33 <merlin1991> the usb modem mode is a kernel module, fsck has no influence over that :D
Sep 16 02:42:34 <jpinx> merlin1991: hope so ;) 
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