**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Sep 19 02:59:58 2012 Sep 19 05:15:43 using my n900.... tethered to my lumia 900 Sep 19 05:15:46 fail Sep 19 07:35:45 morning! Sep 19 07:36:31 I am trying to upgrade cssu and it asks me to connect the n900 to the pc - why? Sep 19 07:37:07 cityLights: what is written in th "problems" tab in application mamanger? Sep 19 07:37:53 * freemangordon feels his typing skills are degrading over time Sep 19 07:41:03 hi freemangordon : it complaint about the operator name widget Sep 19 07:41:10 and I can't remove it Sep 19 07:42:13 minute saw it at home , bring it up now Sep 19 07:46:34 " Unable to update ' Maemo 5 community ssy package' Sep 19 07:47:08 conflict with application packages: Operator name widget (<3.0) Sep 19 07:48:16 cityLights: upgrade that one first Sep 19 07:48:33 right Sep 19 07:48:42 working Sep 19 07:49:37 any news about when joola is planing to send developpers their new phone? Sep 19 07:51:05 Jolla Mobile - because open mobile platforms must have silly names, by contract Sep 19 07:51:22 jolla being a small boat thingy Sep 19 07:52:25 did anyone solved the issue of syncing the N900 with gcal as in the n9? Sep 19 07:54:36 cityLights: is the new phone actually definitely happening? Sep 19 07:54:57 BCMM: yeah, but with no hwkbd Sep 19 07:55:02 :( Sep 19 07:55:22 still awesome that proper linux as a mobile platform isn't dying Sep 19 07:55:24 at least, it's highly unlikely Sep 19 07:55:48 is their OS likely to (unofficially) run on the n900? Sep 19 07:56:42 probably need a better cpu Sep 19 07:57:57 i would hope the OS itself doesn't push the system to its limits... Sep 19 07:58:23 BCMM: nemo+mer runs on the n900 Sep 19 07:58:50 kerio: i keep meaning to find out about that. what should i be running on my n900? Sep 19 07:59:09 and what degree of application compatibility exists between all those somewhat-maemoish things now? Sep 19 07:59:13 fremantle Sep 19 07:59:41 which applications? XD Sep 19 08:00:28 say, a typical Qt application. does it need recompilation? does it need modification? Sep 19 08:00:48 does anything apart from the n900 have the FCam API? Sep 19 08:00:52 probably UI modifications Sep 19 08:01:10 qtm is fairly consistent across mobile OSes Sep 19 08:01:31 so you shouldn't need too many changes Sep 19 08:11:50 kerio: thanks Sep 19 08:12:39 note that qt uses more memory, though Sep 19 08:46:25 hi Sep 19 09:54:10 BCMM: I think there work has been done on Fcam for Harmattan Sep 19 09:54:15 there was* Sep 19 09:57:03 some one can tell me what is the result of dpkg -S /usr/lib/microb-engine/libnssutil3.so ? Sep 19 09:57:46 hi anyone know if the facebook sharing widget was updated Sep 19 09:57:55 it stop working on my phone since July Sep 19 09:58:10 or June, I guess facebook switched to OAuth2 and broke the widget Sep 19 09:58:17 but I dunno if there is either an update or an alternative Sep 19 09:58:31 I am using CSSU 5 Sep 19 09:58:34 JZA: its not updated and it wont work Sep 19 09:58:44 JZA: I use Pixelpipe to upload images to FB from n900 Sep 19 09:58:57 Far from ideal, but it works Sep 19 09:59:11 Lava_Croft: how hard/easy is to visualize, since I have hundred of pics Sep 19 09:59:26 Pixelpipe just adds another sharing account to the N900 Sep 19 09:59:30 I use email as an alternative as well. Sep 19 09:59:38 I see, ok so it works from the 'share account' Sep 19 09:59:39 good Sep 19 09:59:46 and you can share it to Pixelpipe and have Pixelpipe share it to fb, or twitter, or whatever Sep 19 10:00:00 ok sounds good, will check it out Sep 19 10:00:30 The deb for it might be a bit hard to locate Sep 19 10:01:35 JZA: I got it from here http://maemos.ru/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Pixelpipe_Single_Service.zip Sep 19 10:01:41 it contains other debs for sharing services too Sep 19 10:02:32 Lava_Croft: thanks Sep 19 10:02:45 no problem, it annoyed the shit out of me before:) Sep 19 10:02:58 and then when i found out pixelpipe worked, i had trouble location the .deb :) Sep 19 10:03:04 locating* Sep 19 10:08:30 anyone for my quick command line result ? dpkg -S /usr/lib/microb-engine/libnssutil3.so Sep 19 10:09:37 libnss3 Sep 19 10:10:25 thanks Sep 19 10:10:34 np Sep 19 10:57:03 My N900 is f*d after upgrading kernel-power. Are there any recipes how I can revive it? It shows the NOKIA logo and then reboots again Sep 19 11:01:31 reflash kernel Sep 19 11:07:10 yep, this helped. thanks Sep 19 11:47:05 Hi. I compile the latest nmap. If someone intrested here's a link > http://spoofy.webd.pl/pwniephone/download/nmap_6.01-1_armel.deb Sep 19 11:52:57 spoofy: cool. Sep 19 11:53:14 Does it fix all the problems with root/user wlan0 not found? Sep 19 11:53:25 vi__: yeap :) Sep 19 11:53:59 I have a boner already. Sep 19 11:54:04 Get it into the dev repos! Sep 19 11:55:05 Now I'm working on latest midori and working aptitude Sep 19 11:55:30 spoofy: I like you. Sep 19 11:55:35 I succesfuly compile latest postgres (for metasploit) Sep 19 11:55:45 but I cannot make a .deb package Sep 19 11:56:33 vi__: Thanks :D Sep 19 11:56:41 spoofy: the address: Sep 19 11:56:42 http://spoofy.webd.pl/pwniephone/download/nmap_6.01-1_armel.deb Sep 19 11:56:47 does not work. Sep 19 11:56:50 Cannot resolve. Sep 19 11:57:21 w8 Sep 19 11:57:27 Let me try Sep 19 11:58:24 try again - we have a hosting problems http://spoofy.webd.pl/pwniephone/download/nmap_6.01-1_armel.deb Sep 19 11:59:05 DLing@250KB/s Sep 19 12:00:14 there is nmap in repository Sep 19 12:00:19 hmm Sep 19 12:00:25 spoofy: upload it to extras Sep 19 12:00:57 This is for testing now - I must recompile it again with working zenmap Sep 19 12:01:27 jacekowski: I saw your chrome. Maybe you can help me with webkit for midori? Sep 19 12:01:49 not really Sep 19 12:02:02 spoofy: \o/ Sep 19 12:02:16 you can download sources of chrome and then check what i've done to get that to work Sep 19 12:02:30 jacekowski: Ok I'll try ;) Sep 19 12:02:41 svn.jacekowski.org Sep 19 12:02:50 most of it is there Sep 19 12:03:04 jacekowski: nmap in repos is utterly broken. Sep 19 12:03:39 This version appears to fix the root/user permissions and wlan0 not found bugs. Sep 19 12:04:04 It also appears to not be suffering from the 'broken shell after quitting a scan' bug. Sep 19 12:04:06 Yeah.. I check many code lines and apply some patches Sep 19 12:04:13 Good job spoofy. Sep 19 12:04:21 vi__: Thank you ;) Sep 19 12:04:30 now takes ownership of nmap in the repo and promote this shit :) Sep 19 12:04:54 vi__: first I must recompile it with working zenmap :) Sep 19 12:05:05 spoofy: zenmap...meh. Sep 19 12:05:15 Gui is for noobz. Sep 19 12:05:17 vi__: yeah I know :P But Sep 19 12:05:27 If something can work why not :) Sep 19 12:05:35 :) Sep 19 12:10:33 hmm, spoofy, is this nmap optified? Sep 19 12:10:46 Sicelo: I appears to be. Sep 19 12:10:54 ^it. Sep 19 12:11:01 I have lost no root space. Sep 19 12:13:16 also, /usr/share/nmap is symlinked to /opt/nmap. Sep 19 12:13:21 wait.. Sep 19 12:13:28 maybe I did that ages ago. Sep 19 12:13:31 IDK. Sep 19 12:13:33 IDGAF. Sep 19 12:14:12 this one is /usr/bin/nmap Sep 19 12:14:26 i seem to have lost rootfs space for sure Sep 19 12:15:09 another thing.. which package provides libsvn_client-1.so.0 , which this one seems to need Sep 19 12:15:13 ? Sep 19 12:15:56 Sicelo: I think it's not optified yet Sep 19 12:16:27 Sicelo: subversion? Sep 19 12:17:19 and nmap has a 'genuine' dependency on that? Sep 19 12:21:45 Sicelo: hmm.. I don't know but it is possible that the new nmap depends on subversion Sep 19 12:23:56 not my debian sid 6.00 atleast Sep 19 12:24:00 nmap 6.00 that is Sep 19 12:48:00 Who wrote the copy on the coding competition voting email. . . . Sep 19 12:48:05 s/Maemo.org/maemo.org/g Sep 19 13:01:00 GeneralAntilles, why ? Sep 19 13:01:39 GeneralAntilles: Why? Is it poor journalism? Sep 19 13:03:08 WAIT. Sep 19 13:03:11 WTF. Sep 19 13:03:19 Flash 10 has FINALLY been released? Sep 19 13:03:22 DAFUQ? Sep 19 13:03:28 This cannot be... Sep 19 13:03:37 The prophecy has become! Sep 19 13:07:24 ? Sep 19 13:07:27 anyone? Sep 19 13:07:34 even... Sep 19 13:08:55 wtf is this leaked flash 10 thing? Sep 19 13:09:04 :q Sep 19 13:10:05 someone answer me! Sep 19 13:14:46 vi__: __iv! Sep 19 13:15:39 ~backwards StyXman Sep 19 13:15:49 hello Sep 19 13:15:55 hello Sep 19 13:16:01 wtf is this flash 10 thing? Sep 19 13:16:29 for maemo? Sep 19 13:16:34 uhm yeah... Sep 19 13:16:45 yes Sep 19 13:17:07 really? who uses flash, anyways Sep 19 13:17:13 battdrainer as few Sep 19 13:17:24 only a fool. Sep 19 13:17:30 but that is beside the point. Sep 19 13:17:50 After ALL this time, where TF did this flash 10 binary for the n900 appear from? Sep 19 13:18:02 yeah 0.o Sep 19 13:18:10 :-\ Sep 19 13:18:26 and it seems to work well too Sep 19 13:20:46 Also, for the love of god in all that is holy...who put the format button right next to the eject button in windows? Sep 19 13:20:59 lol Sep 19 13:21:41 Great day, flash on N900 works as a charm :p Sep 19 13:22:00 Rqper: actually we are at flash 12 now. Sep 19 13:22:16 no problem , we poor users have patience Sep 19 13:22:21 But seriously, does no one know? Sep 19 13:22:28 WHERE DID THIS COME FROM????? Sep 19 13:23:02 I guess from an unsatisfied nokia employee that was supposed to support Maemo in a decent way Sep 19 13:24:34 Rqper: What other goodies is he sitting on? A non broken SGX driver? Sep 19 13:24:49 The source code for calander app? Sep 19 13:25:01 lawd Sep 19 13:25:08 The secret incantation to roll-your-own /opt images? Sep 19 13:25:50 yeah, guess impossible and commercially infeasable are 2 differnt things Sep 19 13:28:00 vi__, khertan, because maemo.org is never capitalized. :P Sep 19 13:30:48 Maybe Oleg Beletski knows? Sep 19 13:30:56 he still on post at Espoo? Sep 19 13:44:45 I would have thought flash 10 would have been trumpeted as the second coming of jesus. Sep 19 13:46:54 it's a leaked version so people that was aware of it were worried about publitizing it too much would draw someone's attention Sep 19 13:47:04 now it's fully public Sep 19 13:48:56 as we have already received the GO from Nokia to include any binary or closed source packages for Open Source projects in Nokia devices (i.e. CSSU or repackaging closed binaries/libraries/icons from Harmattan to Fremantle), the next thing we would like to do is to obtain permission frm Adobe to include this update to Flash in CSSU or repositories Sep 19 13:49:36 however, with bylaws, code competition voting system, elections and migration, we haven't had the time yet to start that negotiation Sep 19 13:50:50 ivgalvez: aaaaah. Sep 19 13:50:59 Soulds like you need to contact the PLF. Sep 19 13:51:07 ^sounds Sep 19 13:51:14 PLF? Sep 19 13:51:21 Penguin Liberation Front. Sep 19 13:51:29 hehe Sep 19 13:51:57 They run repos quite specifically for hosting legally 'dodgy' stuff that people don't want in the main line repos. Sep 19 13:52:26 They DGAF about nonsensical bullshit. Sep 19 13:52:47 ivgalves: do you expect websites to hang on Flash 10 due to seizure of mobile Flash development? Version nine was outdated pretty quickly... Sep 19 13:53:07 Rqper: wut? Sep 19 13:53:08 well, we'd like first to exhaust any legal ways to do that Sep 19 13:53:18 ivgalvez: Of course ;) Sep 19 13:53:50 I don't know what will do most of websites Sep 19 13:53:50 * vi__ nudge nudge wink wink say no more buddy, I am going to my office to fill out a 27b/6 blind eye form ;) Sep 19 13:54:37 I assume that with Adobe discontinuig Flash on mobile and the rise of HTML5, most sites won't upgrade to newer versions of Flash, but move to HTML5 Sep 19 13:54:52 Thank fuck. Sep 19 13:54:58 FLash has been a long time dying. Sep 19 13:55:02 good thing for smooth transition between formats then Sep 19 13:55:14 unfortunately MicroB is also getting left behind Sep 19 13:55:24 we need to upgrade it's Gecko engine Sep 19 13:55:39 a rewrite of MicroB's UI would help Sep 19 13:55:42 And the interface. Sep 19 13:55:58 or wait for a faster Firefox with new IPC mechanism Sep 19 13:56:22 In fact replace gecko as the system wide render with somthing lighter and faster. Sep 19 13:56:26 don't dump swirl and virtuacursor plz Sep 19 13:56:28 all of them interesting projects Sep 19 13:56:40 I'd like to see swirl system wide Sep 19 13:56:49 and add middle click pasting! Sep 19 13:57:11 well, for sure I'm not going to code it ;) Sep 19 13:57:25 I barely have time to read all my mail Sep 19 13:57:36 yes, before Apple promotes swirl system wide as revolutionary way to control your mobile with one hand /finger where before 2 hands / fingers wer needed Sep 19 13:58:02 swirl is absoulute killer-feat Sep 19 13:58:09 swirl? Sep 19 13:58:10 it is isn't it Sep 19 13:58:23 what is it? Sep 19 13:58:31 jacekowski: runing circles to zoom in Sep 19 13:58:37 or out Sep 19 13:58:43 hmm Sep 19 13:58:46 and cursor mode! Sep 19 13:58:47 i've seen that somewhere Sep 19 13:58:49 long time ago Sep 19 13:58:56 windows CE Sep 19 13:58:58 on HTC Sep 19 13:59:05 pretty useless feature Sep 19 13:59:07 also, a better xterm! Sep 19 13:59:32 That has middle click pasting! Sep 19 13:59:39 how do you do middle click? Sep 19 13:59:55 xdotool+xbindkeys Sep 19 14:00:18 http://wiki.maemo.org/Remapping_keyboard/user_vis_awesome_kbdmapping Sep 19 14:00:41 vi-kbd is http://wiki.maemo.org/Remapping_keyboard/user_vis_awesome_kbdmapping Sep 19 14:00:47 ~vi-kbd is http://wiki.maemo.org/Remapping_keyboard/user_vis_awesome_kbdmapping Sep 19 14:00:47 okay, vi__ Sep 19 14:00:55 ~vi-kbd Sep 19 14:00:55 hmm... vi-kbd is http://wiki.maemo.org/Remapping_keyboard/user_vis_awesome_kbdmapping Sep 19 14:01:08 jacekowski, about your modified version of fmtx Sep 19 14:01:13 yeah Sep 19 14:01:15 what about it Sep 19 14:01:26 you are only distributing it from your own site Sep 19 14:01:33 aren't you? Sep 19 14:01:49 have you considered to package it and upload it to repos? Sep 19 14:01:58 it's against all the rules Sep 19 14:02:21 first, .deb's are not supposed to modify any system files Sep 19 14:02:37 see busybox-`pwer Sep 19 14:02:44 and two, that fmtxd isn't mine, it's nokia's and i've only modified binaries Sep 19 14:03:08 and that's bit of a licencing issue Sep 19 14:03:18 you can distribute any Nokia binary as long as it's only for Open Source projects and for Nokia devices Sep 19 14:03:26 so you can do it without a hassle Sep 19 14:03:32 ivgalvez: no you can't Sep 19 14:03:34 as long as you don't modify the license Sep 19 14:03:48 that binary isn't GPLed in first place Sep 19 14:03:54 yes, we have received explicit permission from Nokia (from Qgil) Sep 19 14:04:02 it's on quite strict licence Sep 19 14:04:07 it doesn't need to be GPL Sep 19 14:04:08 PLF! Sep 19 14:04:11 + fact that it was reverse engineered Sep 19 14:04:27 we are already working on other RE stuff for CSSU Sep 19 14:04:28 so it's reverse engineering as well, which is prohibited Sep 19 14:04:43 there is no problem with that, form Nokia side Sep 19 14:04:50 if you want to package it, then that's ok with me Sep 19 14:04:58 Why can't you just make a deb with wget in the postinst. Sep 19 14:05:11 if copyright is not from Nokia, then it could bbe problematic Sep 19 14:05:19 but that is not the case Sep 19 14:05:36 ivgalvez: if you want to package it yourself, you've got my blessing Sep 19 14:05:48 i can even upload it to extras for you if you don't have an account Sep 19 14:06:01 but i don't have n900 anymore Sep 19 14:06:13 haha, I'd like to have time to package a lot of things, I'm trying however to push other projects Sep 19 14:06:29 not having a N900 is problem indeed Sep 19 14:07:03 ivgalvez: You said flash10 was a leaked version. Where was it leaked to? Sep 19 14:07:08 Who was it leaked to? Sep 19 14:07:13 what is the full story? Sep 19 14:07:37 jacekowski, what is the exact situation of your fmtxd? is it a RE clone of the original one? a modified binary? Sep 19 14:07:44 yes Sep 19 14:07:59 i've REed parts that dealt with frequency limitations and locking and power settings Sep 19 14:08:02 vi__ I don't really know the full story, someone found the binary on a development repo Sep 19 14:08:03 and modified them Sep 19 14:08:30 that can be a candidate to enter CSSU Sep 19 14:09:28 see this as an example: http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/hildon-im-vkbrenderer3/blobs/master/COPYING Sep 19 14:11:01 if someone is interested in contribute the code and upload it to CSSU's gitorious, even if it doesn't enter CSSU-S for 'whatever' reason, it could be packaged and distributed more easily through CSSU-Devel Sep 19 14:31:10 flash 10 for maemo 5 actually released? Sep 19 14:31:11 the hell? Sep 19 14:31:37 what's the backstory here? Sep 19 14:34:43 < ivgalvez> it's a leaked version so people that was aware of it were worried about Sep 19 14:34:46 publitizing it too much would draw someone's attention Sep 19 14:34:56 < ivgalvez> vi__ I don't really know the full story, someone found the binary on a Sep 19 14:34:59 development repo Sep 19 14:35:42 Hah, where are all those doubters and haterz now? Sep 19 14:35:53 here Sep 19 14:36:02 how do you know it is genuine Sep 19 14:36:24 what tells you it does not contain a malware of some sort, or a phone-home gizmo Sep 19 14:36:52 peetah: are you shitting me? Sep 19 14:36:57 nope Sep 19 14:37:13 do you honestly believe it would be worth the effort? Sep 19 14:37:35 to hax all the n900s that are left. Sep 19 14:37:39 boith of them. Sep 19 14:37:39 I haven't used it yet, but reports indicate it's genuine and OK Sep 19 14:37:49 from trusted members Sep 19 14:38:17 so what does flash 10 offer over flash 9 apart from a version string increment and a wad of licensing cash for adobe? Sep 19 14:38:46 some more shitty features that will blow your device to do really simple stuff Sep 19 14:38:54 but that most sites require Sep 19 14:41:26 so what is next to float up? Sep 19 14:41:31 Alien Dalvik? Sep 19 14:47:25 that would be nice Sep 19 14:48:26 vi__: I have fully working flash 10 by nokia Sep 19 14:48:30 for maemo 5 Sep 19 14:48:36 but.. This is secret :D Sep 19 14:49:34 even acceleration working.. Sep 19 14:53:05 vi__: u must ask someone who had access to nokia developer repo... Sep 19 14:55:58 i have a working Lauta device Sep 19 14:56:01 its also secret Sep 19 14:56:12 but i can speak of it on IRC and not provide any kind of proof! Sep 19 14:56:46 yeah right ;) Sep 19 14:59:07 no offence, was merely joking Sep 19 14:59:14 it might have come out a bit different than i intended:) Sep 19 15:01:39 pinochio is our guy btw.. He even used my screenshots :D Sep 19 15:02:39 now... why nokia did not release this on time? Sep 19 15:02:56 because nokia was and is a company with many, many heads Sep 19 15:04:41 The guy who release this package may be in trouble.. Sep 19 15:04:58 i doubt it Sep 19 15:05:07 if he even still works at nokia Sep 19 15:11:19 ivgalvez, so how long have people been hoarding it? Sep 19 15:13:58 I don't know Sep 19 15:14:22 about maybe 2-3 moths Sep 19 15:14:28 *months Sep 19 15:15:26 peetah: I didn't check the link on TMO, but .deb is signed with OVI key and is in OV/unreleased repo Sep 19 15:15:38 that should be enough of a proof it is genuine Sep 19 15:18:48 freemangordon, hi Sep 19 15:19:41 I've been talking with jacekowski a few lines up about his RE fmtxd Sep 19 15:20:53 to my understanding it might be a good candidate for CSSU inclussion, at least in Gitorious even if not packaged, for better tracking of the component Sep 19 15:20:58 ivgalvez: yeah, i read the logs Sep 19 15:21:03 what do you think? Sep 19 15:21:16 what is the benefit and what dows it fix? Sep 19 15:22:25 I don't know if it fixes any bug Sep 19 15:22:30 but unlocks some features Sep 19 15:22:43 about frequency limitations and locking and power settings Sep 19 15:23:39 being original binary + RE stuff, it shouldn't be dangerous Sep 19 15:23:56 and it's definitively not a critical component Sep 19 15:24:42 at least, if it enters CSSUs gitorious, maybe it could draw some attention from developers to receive further love and improvements Sep 19 15:24:50 ivgalvez: I suspect frequency limits are because of the country regulations Sep 19 15:24:59 I gusee so Sep 19 15:25:03 I guess so Sep 19 15:25:16 so that feature might be optional Sep 19 15:25:21 and power limits are already ok with KP (and kernel in CSSU to be) Sep 19 15:25:45 kernel in CSSU to be :) Sep 19 15:28:48 modified fmtxd also enable fmtxd when charger is plugged Sep 19 15:29:08 unmodified disable fmtxd when charger is plugged - I think this is bug Sep 19 15:32:35 interesting Sep 19 15:32:54 that makes fmtx unusable in the car most of the time Sep 19 15:33:10 usually you need to charge the phone while driving Sep 19 15:34:22 http://jacekowski.org/Maemo/FMTXD Sep 19 15:34:43 and http://jacekowski.org/Maemo/FMTXD1.3 Sep 19 15:36:11 Pali: no, PR1.3 fmtxd does not disable fmtx when a charger is plugged Sep 19 15:36:53 "It will keep running when headphones/usb is plugged in" Sep 19 15:37:06 freemangordon, ok maybe this was fixed, but ^^^ not Sep 19 15:37:18 Pali: I am using it in my car accasionaly, trust me on that Sep 19 15:37:27 and I am using (dc8?) charger Sep 19 15:37:50 which one is not? Sep 19 15:37:50 and headphones? Sep 19 15:38:19 NFC, I use BT handsfree Sep 19 15:38:30 and usb cable (in pc suite/usb mass storage)? Sep 19 15:39:25 don't know, I can check Sep 19 15:45:21 usb cable stops fmtx Sep 19 15:45:43 (but only if connected to PC :D ) Sep 19 15:46:32 while I don;t object to put that on gitorious, I don;t think it will ever enter even -devel Sep 19 15:47:41 Pali: and "It will keep running when headphones/usb is plugged in" is a corner case maybe noone is hitting Sep 19 15:48:57 freemangordon: to me the most important thing at the moment is not to lose this code Sep 19 15:49:08 ivgalvez: what code? Sep 19 15:49:13 as it's not in safe place Sep 19 15:49:19 the RE part Sep 19 15:49:26 hmm, lemme check Sep 19 15:50:27 ivgalvez: it is just a binary Sep 19 15:50:32 hex modified Sep 19 15:50:40 mmm a modified binary then Sep 19 15:50:43 ok Sep 19 15:51:48 ivgalvez: though you'd better ask merlin1991 Sep 19 15:51:59 thanks Sep 19 15:52:06 * freemangordon is afk for a while Sep 19 16:30:43 (([2012-09-19 16:36:24] what tells you it does not contain a malware of some sort, or a phone-home gizmo)) *I* tell you! Sep 19 16:32:09 well, I know it's genuine (since I know the story) - but actually that doesn't eman it is not calling howe ;-P Sep 19 16:33:05 vi__: THIS version won't offer a wad of licensing cash for adobe ;-P Sep 19 16:34:20 (( now... why nokia did not release this on time?)) see ^^^ Sep 19 16:38:17 (( "It will keep running when headphones/usb is plugged in")) only power level reduced while plugged in USB. Dunno if that applies to stock 1.3 as well Sep 19 16:38:53 what's the story about it DocScrutinizer05? if it can be shared of course Sep 19 16:40:05 freemangordon already said it's been in OVI/unreleased repo. We eventually got to know the password Sep 19 16:40:23 hah Sep 19 16:40:29 was it 12345? :P Sep 19 16:40:44 damn, how did you know that? Sep 19 16:43:54 doesn't eman it is not calling howe ;-P -??? o.O Sep 19 16:44:12 s/eman/mean/ Sep 19 16:44:12 DocScrutinizer05 meant: doesn't mean it is not calling howe ;-P -??? o.O Sep 19 16:44:23 s/howe/home/ Sep 19 16:44:25 DocScrutinizer05 meant: doesn't eman it is not calling home ;-P -??? o.O Sep 19 17:14:30 i dont get the fuss over something shit as adobe flash anyway Sep 19 17:15:01 right on right on! Sep 19 17:16:11 of course, its nice to have found it Sep 19 17:16:22 seeing theres a 50+(?) page thread about it Sep 19 17:16:57 I guess it would go too far to call it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrrhic_victory Sep 19 17:17:00 :) Sep 19 17:33:16 please, fix the fremantle builder, has a problem with python , see https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2012-September/thread.html for "[extras-builds] [fremantle]: python2.7 2.7.3~rc2-2.1-maemo1 UNKNOWN" x 10^10^10 Sep 19 17:40:20 who is the fremantle builder admin ? Sep 19 17:49:06 rlinfati: WTF? debian/control file contains windoze style line endings!!! Sep 19 17:52:30 rlinfati: I don't see anything to be fixed in autobuilder (in that case of course :D ) Sep 19 17:52:56 well, delete python from the queue ... Sep 19 17:54:21 rlinfati: hmm, why is that ( not that I have powers to do it). Just upload a new version (if you are the maintainer) Sep 19 17:54:40 i'm not the maintainer, Sep 19 17:55:01 yes, I know, it is aapo :) Sep 19 17:55:27 I made a post on TMO thread, I am sure he will fix it Sep 19 18:03:44 aap_ == aapo ? Sep 19 18:03:58 NFC Sep 19 21:02:21 flash 10 bitches! Sep 19 21:03:48 :P Sep 19 21:05:29 i'm on crappy gprs atm, otherwise i would scour the logs for this snippet of news. anyone able to give point to the start of the discussion that led to this flash-madnes :P Sep 19 21:07:19 Sicelo: no knows/is prepaired to tell the full story for fear of freprisals. Sep 19 21:07:46 for the disgruntled ex-nokia employee. Sep 19 21:08:32 * Sicelo worships the man, lol. Sep 19 21:08:43 needless to say, go read the last 4 pages of the epic troll thread titled 'flash 10 when is ikt coming' Sep 19 21:08:48 that said, i don't use flash at all on my N900 Sep 19 21:09:18 I know, flash can go eat a bag of dicks. Sep 19 21:09:36 but still, after all this time. Sep 19 21:09:56 i've read the thread.. FMG seemed to suggest the conversation started here, but no one gave an exact point in the irc logs for that conversation Sep 19 21:10:04 * Sicelo will scour anyway Sep 19 21:10:52 can you pm me the log adress if you find it? Sep 19 21:10:58 :P Sep 19 21:11:00 sure Sep 19 21:11:07 pm me at tmo. Sep 19 21:11:23 I am the only asswipe named vi_ Sep 19 21:12:47 how can I use linux to remove hiss from audio recordings from the command line? Sep 19 21:13:24 I have a pile of files I need to process and all that clicking in audacity will brake my balls. Sep 19 21:15:36 sox Sep 19 21:16:03 I am allready balls deep in the sox man page. Sep 19 21:16:52 wait until you notize you really need sox-filters manpage Sep 19 21:18:20 * vi___ wished there was a thumb2 debian image. Sep 19 21:19:23 Sep 19 21:20:35 you found irc log? Sep 19 21:21:11 just today's so far.. and you were part of the conversation Sep 19 21:21:36 unfortunately gprs is just bad tonight here Sep 19 21:21:46 italy? Sep 19 21:22:21 swaziland, africa Sep 19 21:22:24 :P Sep 19 22:20:16 the IR window of the n900 cant recieve signals right? Sep 19 22:23:40 i got a raspi Sep 19 22:23:48 and have no sd lying around heh Sep 19 22:38:00 hi guys, do you know, is there some easy way to restore/recreate pmo account? Sep 19 22:38:16 for ex-nokian ;) Sep 19 23:03:09 pmo? Sep 19 23:04:50 projects.maemo.org Sep 19 23:15:05 myuu__; there is no receiver Sep 19 23:16:28 checked the forums for an answer, thanks though Sep 19 23:16:55 really odd decision huh, but i guess a reciever isnt something you need. cant imagine it being expensive in any way Sep 19 23:24:49 myuu__: no, it cannot. Sep 19 23:30:43 IR receivers are amazingly expensive Sep 19 23:31:29 or hard to get right Sep 19 23:31:48 and actually, you don't want any Sep 19 23:32:19 what could you do with it, except of 'learning' IR-remote codes? Sep 19 23:32:33 amazingly expensive, as in, this transmitter cost less than a cent, and reciver is many cents? Sep 19 23:32:43 yep Sep 19 23:33:26 then they might not even be reflow-solderable Sep 19 23:33:31 "free" easter-egg :-) Sep 19 23:34:08 oh i've only seen them in pregnant to92, but i hvent looked Sep 19 23:34:16 anyway IR receivers have serial output, that usually can't easily get decoded by UART Sep 19 23:34:34 so you would awake CPU all the time, on random bogus signals Sep 19 23:35:17 Also, we can modulate this transmitter at any frequency we want, whereas receivers are fixed frequency Sep 19 23:35:38 they need a certain volume, to have a decent lense diameter Sep 19 23:35:58 no SMT Sep 19 23:36:31 and really, in which direction should that thing look?` Sep 19 23:36:32 I did the decoding in <2% cpu on a P133 once, receiver module hooked up to Line-in on soundboard :-) Sep 19 23:37:05 sure, but you'd awake CPU way too often for nuttin Sep 19 23:37:21 worst case 100 times / second Sep 19 23:37:42 would be interesting for purposes of remote control learning, whether 1x1 px from camera could be high enough in fps Sep 19 23:38:29 I already elaborated on this, and I think it should be feasible, if only with updampling Sep 19 23:38:39 upSampling* Sep 19 23:38:43 but then the signal from a remote control is probably too weak to pass the ir filters even at devices-touching-eachother? Sep 19 23:39:10 yeah, it's weak Sep 19 23:39:30 it'll pass, sometimes Sep 19 23:39:50 after all you can check one N900 IRTX with another one Sep 19 23:40:09 or even with one N900 and two mirrors Sep 19 23:41:17 yeah theres def zero use for it Sep 19 23:41:26 on a modern phone Sep 19 23:42:11 but shit why have IR then, save a fraction of a cent Sep 19 23:42:19 was just curious though Sep 19 23:42:37 have random IR device i wanted to play with Sep 19 23:43:06 * DocScrutinizer05 more been puzzled why they didn't use IRTX for 9600bd console out Sep 19 23:44:10 myuu__; also the ir transmitter in n900 cant do data transfer Sep 19 23:44:10 hardcore unmodulated (carrier-less) on/off-IR transmission of every single bit Sep 19 23:44:35 yeah i wasnt expecting it to ShadowJK Sep 19 23:44:46 well because there's electrical serial console under the battery? :D Sep 19 23:44:51 well, it can bitbang :-) Sep 19 23:45:59 myuu__: anyway, you can DIY a IR receiver for ~1$ Sep 19 23:46:14 myuu__; basically there was a pin left over on the cpu and they just added a LED connected to it, and someone thought blue LEDs are stupid so they made it infrared Sep 19 23:46:43 just solder a photodiode to pin3 and pin4/GND of a 3.5mm jack Sep 19 23:47:10 oh i think i have Sep 19 23:47:15 both those things laying around Sep 19 23:47:27 but i dont have a soldering gun, lost it on the move Sep 19 23:47:40 then "record" your IR signals via audio-in Sep 19 23:48:42 even better than usual IR receivers which always demodulate and thus you don't get to know the modulation/carrier freqency Sep 19 23:49:23 dang Sep 19 23:49:28 ~lart ALS Sep 19 23:49:29 * infobot puts on a hockey mask and jumps out at ALS Sep 19 23:50:43 if that was a proper analog component instead of that "mini microcontroller with two light sensitive parts", you could do quite some amazng funky stuff with it Sep 19 23:51:25 rotation counter, for RC airplanes (and also real ones with a propeller) Sep 19 23:52:16 hm, what frequency is proximity sensor modulated at? Sep 19 23:52:26 Hey, why can't you do funky stuff with microcontrollers? Sep 19 23:52:35 record audio form any reflective flexibe surface (like laser microphone on window glass) Sep 19 23:52:53 ShadowJK: alegedly some 5Hz Sep 19 23:53:38 robbiethe1st: because thos one has hardwired/mask-programmed code Sep 19 23:53:43 ah Sep 19 23:54:05 Well, rip it out and plug in a ATMega! Sep 19 23:54:12 hehe Sep 19 23:54:36 I don't need to rip out ALS to add a ATmega on I2Cbus Sep 19 23:55:09 but I don't need nor want a ATmega, I talked about a fast ambient light sensor Sep 19 23:55:17 aw Sep 19 23:57:05 ShadowJK: if the LED power (or wavelength) was better visible by camera, I'd think you could calculate from bar pattern of cam sensor readout when during one frame LED went on or off Sep 19 23:58:44 ShadowJK: basically reading out several million 1*1 sensors in series, on a rather stable bredictable clock Sep 19 23:59:07 predictable* Sep 19 23:59:55 but actually even 60fps should suffice iirc Sep 20 00:00:33 data bitrate of IR RC is rather slowish, like 50bps Sep 20 00:01:02 and code gets repeated plenty of times Sep 20 00:02:18 you can exploit aliasing to 'oversample' or rather 'upsample' and get a resolution even > sampling rate Sep 20 00:03:01 I don't remember exactly, but the ones I decoded an at something fairly "normal, 2400 bps or something Sep 20 00:03:16 duh, unusual Sep 20 00:03:52 could've been 300, 1200 or 9600 too, I forget :-) Sep 20 00:05:55 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RC-5 Sep 20 00:07:14 ~24/14 Sep 20 00:07:14 1.714285714286 Sep 20 00:07:26 or Sep 20 00:08:17 ~14/25 Sep 20 00:08:17 0.56 Sep 20 00:08:28 kbaud Sep 20 00:09:12 though you need double the sampling rate, to decode what's basically a NRZ Sep 20 00:10:52 or not Sep 20 00:11:40 just needs a pretty smart decoder, exploiting the redundance Sep 20 00:12:23 then you can get away with sampling rate that's several times slower than that Sep 20 00:13:36 you know the maybe 50 patterns you expect, you know when you're sampling. You just compare to which pattern your sampling results match Sep 20 00:23:04 * RST38h moos at the moon Sep 20 00:23:24 What is new and exciting tonight? Sep 20 00:25:22 Auroras when i drove home Sep 20 00:44:07 finished installing raspbmc on my raspi :) Sep 20 00:44:10 nice Sep 20 00:56:46 :) Sep 20 00:57:27 nice Sep 20 00:57:30 where are you? Sep 20 00:57:51 wondering if they arent congested with orders anymore Sep 20 01:07:53 here? Sep 20 01:08:43 gonna checkout raspbmc myself now Sep 20 01:08:50 been using XBian for some time Sep 20 01:08:59 but now I've b0rked it up Sep 20 01:09:06 wanna get a cubieboard Sep 20 01:09:17 ? Sep 20 01:09:24 i was interested in a raspi but the wait was unbearable and once it was out, it was hard to get Sep 20 01:09:32 its the same as a raspi essentially Sep 20 01:09:42 same comunity? Sep 20 01:09:51 i actually dont know Sep 20 01:09:54 Take a look at the Allwinner-based Mele A1000 Sep 20 01:10:58 The Allwinner A10 chip is pretty darned open; far more than most, and there's good instructions for loading Linux on it. It's also far cooler than the rasPi in that it's got actual dedicated SATA and ethernet, versus those over USB. Sep 20 01:14:21 cubie is faster, being Allwinner based Sep 20 01:15:16 So, same thing then. Sep 20 01:17:32 cubie is cheaper than mele but does not come with a case Sep 20 01:18:15 Yeah. Cubie looks interesting as far as the extension pins go, though. Sep 20 01:18:25 yeah, and the price :) Sep 20 01:18:40 But the A1000 has VGA and composite etc. Sep 20 01:18:44 *built in Sep 20 01:20:06 I could definitely see buying a bunch of Cubie, plugging them into a custom designed baseboard connected to a few Arduino-compatible circuits, and use that for some product Sep 20 01:20:18 guess it's pretty much about what one needs, I personally dont have any use for vga or composite, nor case for that matter. Sep 20 01:20:25 Say a CNC Controller Sep 20 01:20:28 yeah, that sound cool Sep 20 01:28:38 if there are people interested in other distros for N900, or linux in general, i'd like to hear your opinions about few things Sep 20 01:29:07 well now that my n900 isnt my daily driver Sep 20 01:29:18 i was actually wondering about maemo-alternatives Sep 20 01:29:36 just the other day i was asking if i could replace the easydeb image with anything Sep 20 01:30:24 oh, hey Skry, I'm interested in Arch (i'm the one that keep asking on the TMO thread :P ) Sep 20 01:32:04 first, which one you would prefer: smallest kernel with initrd and loads of modules, small kernel and important modules or bigger kernel with all n900 bits compiled in + important modules? important modules being, you know, the essential stuff. Or would you prefer distro specific kernel configs? Sep 20 01:33:36 beford: hey, it's usable, if you want to try I can help you. there is not much hardware support for now, and I still have packaging to do. Sep 20 01:34:17 def the second option Sep 20 01:34:36 but you ought to tell me what works better Sep 20 01:35:26 I like the second option best too, as the use cases with N900 are quite limited. Sep 20 01:37:18 I guess I should "release" kernel with very limited modules and start taking requests from people actually interested in using the distro (arch in this case) Sep 20 01:38:59 second question is: what hardware features are the ones you would absolutely need? Sep 20 01:39:31 or require even Sep 20 01:39:42 Lets see Sep 20 01:40:00 Wifi, screen, digitizer, keyboard, USB would be my top 5 Sep 20 01:40:05 id really like BT personally if its possible Sep 20 01:40:16 Actually, add battery charging at #4 Sep 20 01:41:14 And, in terms of importance? Screen, digitizer, keyboard, wifi, charging, USB host(Device would be cool as well) Sep 20 01:42:29 wifi, screen, kb and usb already works, bt is something that needs to be ported to 3.x (have not looked at that yet). Sep 20 01:43:00 could you live without hardware accelerated Xorg? (momentarily at least) Sep 20 01:47:26 yeah sure Sep 20 01:47:31 doing an assignment sorry Sep 20 01:53:57 I actually have gles acceleration etc working via omapdrm framebuffer. Currently display system is omapdrm (instead of old omapfb) and xf86-video-modesetting for Xorg. Sep 20 01:54:27 It's actually quite fast with enlightenment, bit hard on battery though. Sep 20 01:58:47 I'm bugging rob clark regarding xf86-video-omap (which currently does not work with N900) and he has had at least some interest of the matter. This is the driver we want working, as it could (in future, not going to details yet) enable proper acceleration in Xorg. Sep 20 02:00:56 One might ask why I dont just go with old, kernel and drivers if they work (and they do with mer kernel)? Sep 20 02:02:16 Because I see no point using them, I want upstream to just work. I dont want to touch stuff which requires deprecated patches never sent to upstream. Sep 20 02:02:59 Dont want to touch that proprietary sgx abomination any more than I absolutely have to. Sep 20 02:03:55 hope you follow my ideology regarding this. and if you dont, you can always use the 2.6.37 kernel from mer if you want. Sep 20 02:06:25 anyways, is there any external (perhaps usb) devices you would expect to find supported? That was the last question for now. People browsing backlog can just query me if they have something to say about this. Sep 20 02:08:12 I cant think of ay personally Sep 20 02:10:55 I was personally thinking about displaylink, some dvb tuners and usb audio at least. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Sep 20 02:59:57 2012