**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Sep 24 02:59:59 2012 Sep 24 04:40:14 heh Sep 24 04:40:25 maybe Sep 24 05:50:05 no Sep 24 05:50:12 no more n950 Sep 24 05:51:18 DocScrutinizer05: why not, as if it is usefull :D Sep 24 05:52:04 DocScrutinizer05: I am thinking to try to upstream thumb patch, any idea where to look for the process? Sep 24 06:05:29 Anyone seen a thread about running Debian natively on N900? I can't find it Sep 24 06:14:31 int_ua: it's not worth it, anyway Sep 24 06:22:47 kerio: Why? :) Sep 24 06:23:12 int_ua: because half of the hardware doesn't work Sep 24 06:59:56 kerio: what hardware doesn't work? Sep 24 07:00:21 Sicelo: phone calls Sep 24 07:00:32 and last time i heard, the gps was still kinda meh Sep 24 07:01:10 * entitled has never made a single phone call with N900 Sep 24 07:01:37 purely for ssh. browsing and such Sep 24 07:02:33 int_ua: https://elektranox.org/N900 , http://elinux.org/N900 & look at NIN101's pages .. i forgot the link .. but same place RescueOS lives Sep 24 07:05:01 which reminds me.. i must find out how to switch between 2G-3G using ofono for when i'm on debian Sep 24 07:07:28 Sicelo: yeah, but no thread on Talks? Sep 24 07:07:52 Sicelo: so you have it running natively? Sep 24 07:08:00 there should be, but TMO Sep 24 07:08:06 yes, i do :) Sep 24 07:10:13 as kerio said, phne calls don't work (well), but you can use the modem for internet, which covers my needs. Sep 24 07:10:25 Sicelo: which DE are you using? Sep 24 07:10:56 i used E7 at first, but am using Xfce now Sep 24 07:11:06 why not hildon? :P Sep 24 07:11:58 i haven't seen it packaged for debian, yet. otherwise i would love that, or even plain old matchbox Sep 24 07:12:24 why not openbox? Sep 24 07:13:51 i'll try that Sep 24 07:14:10 what are you using to right click, btw? Sep 24 07:14:20 nothing, lol Sep 24 07:14:36 then you're not going to like openbox :3 Sep 24 07:15:10 yeah, openbox needs rightclick. Sep 24 07:15:18 but there is a workaround Sep 24 07:15:40 Sicelo: something with xorg.conf hacking Sep 24 07:17:01 thanks. 'll have to google that. fact is, i have nfc about some deep things Sep 24 08:35:35 deepy: btw, i just realized that without fixing the kbd slider, you can't use portrait mode Sep 24 08:35:36 ever Sep 24 08:35:52 ooo Sep 24 08:35:59 I didn't know there was a portrait mode Sep 24 08:36:12 Time to get a soldering iron, eh? Sep 24 08:36:37 note that it's mostly useless Sep 24 08:36:50 imo it's only useful with openmediaplayer Sep 24 08:36:55 to choose a song with one hand Sep 24 08:45:44 oooh, that reminds me Sep 24 08:45:55 I gotta find some SFW show so I can test the battery life and the stan Sep 24 08:45:57 at the same time Sep 24 09:01:54 deepy: fun fact: myfreecams.com works on microB Sep 24 09:02:02 and that's a website that makes netbooks choke Sep 24 09:03:00 microB? Sep 24 09:03:08 also it sounds incredibly fishy :P Sep 24 09:03:25 microB is "Web" Sep 24 09:03:27 the default browser Sep 24 09:03:30 Ah Sep 24 09:03:36 nah, it's legit Sep 24 09:03:37 The website still sounds fishy Sep 24 09:03:48 it's not exactly sfw, though Sep 24 09:04:47 Ever since the copypaste incident of '11 I'm not opening websites that involve the word 'cam' when I'm not at home Sep 24 09:05:01 oh, job Sep 24 09:05:02 pf Sep 24 09:05:04 pffffffffff Sep 24 09:05:13 pffff all you want Sep 24 09:05:16 I'll pffffff harder Sep 24 09:05:36 OSHI- Sep 24 09:05:39 Sent a PC to the wrong country Sep 24 09:05:45 * deepy whistles Sep 24 09:06:02 deepy: could you wrongfully send a PC to my house? Sep 24 09:06:23 kerio: you can already virtualize ten of these Sep 24 09:06:44 well, i do need a home server... Sep 24 09:07:16 what do you intend to do on that home server? Sep 24 09:07:22 I know of $19/yr VPS Sep 24 09:07:50 i already have one, but it's kinda bad Sep 24 09:07:56 file storage and torrents Sep 24 09:08:06 and DNS tunneling Sep 24 09:08:14 DNS tunneling is so 80s Sep 24 09:08:29 u jelly Sep 24 09:08:41 I'm at work chatting to you from a server in Sweden Sep 24 09:08:43 ;-) Sep 24 09:08:52 One of us is getting paid during this conversation Sep 24 09:16:22 I just sent two monitors to a girl Sep 24 09:16:32 two WIDESCREEN monitors Sep 24 09:16:40 I'm sitting here with a flickering 19" Sep 24 09:17:03 Not fair :-( Sep 24 09:17:26 sluta slöa! börja jobba! Sep 24 09:18:01 I am working! Sep 24 09:18:22 sure! ;) Sep 24 09:18:24 Just sent a battery to someone Sep 24 09:18:44 sweet, to me? i need one to my oqo01! Sep 24 09:18:51 Yes Sep 24 09:19:08 It's a pity it'll only fit x200s/x201 Sep 24 09:19:18 But hey, it's a 9cell Li-Ion! Sep 24 09:19:27 hehe Sep 24 09:20:15 im cleaning my bellybutton :D Sep 24 09:20:59 deepy: send us technology Sep 24 09:21:05 for free Sep 24 09:21:06 kerio: I can get you a job here Sep 24 09:21:10 for pay Sep 24 09:21:15 i'd have to work Sep 24 09:21:18 that sucks Sep 24 09:21:24 Does it look like I am working? Sep 24 09:21:38 I played nethack half of my time here Sep 24 09:30:17 play FTL! Sep 24 09:30:53 I don't know what that is Sep 24 09:31:00 a cute game Sep 24 09:31:00 I heard it's a roguelike in space Sep 24 09:31:10 it's a roguelike-like Sep 24 09:31:49 permadeath, randomly generated map and encounters, fairly constant challenge throughout the game Sep 24 09:33:27 It seems like I may enjoy dwarf fortress more Sep 24 09:49:25 static.maemo.org is down Sep 24 09:49:40 so wiki.maemo.org not working... Sep 24 10:15:55 worksforme Sep 24 10:16:20 Pali: how's the bme replacement project going? Sep 24 10:16:46 kerio, hald-addon-bme is implemented and tested by me - forking fine Sep 24 10:17:05 neat Sep 24 10:17:06 kernel modules bq2415x_charger, bq27x00_battery and rx51_battery working fine too Sep 24 10:17:07 what does it use? Sep 24 10:17:26 libbmeeipc is implemented, but not tested yet Sep 24 10:17:50 bme-rx51 (meta)(pseudo)package is written too, but not tested Sep 24 10:18:02 hald-addon-bme is used by more programs (also 3rd party) Sep 24 10:18:16 it export battery & charger properties to HAL Sep 24 10:18:39 for example default nokia battery status menu plugin Sep 24 10:18:51 all 3rd battery widgets, ... Sep 24 10:19:16 how is it packaged? Sep 24 10:19:26 in deb package Sep 24 10:20:06 each package has same name, same library/binary as original nokia Sep 24 10:20:38 did you make a fake /usr/sbin/bme_RX-51? :O Sep 24 10:20:51 libraries export same function names & binaries export needed interface Sep 24 10:21:09 /usr/sbin/bme_RX-51 was removed, not needed Sep 24 10:21:27 no application/library using it Sep 24 10:21:29 i'm still not convinced that your "bme-rx-51" should be called like that Sep 24 10:22:03 original bme-rx-51 has 2 system files: 1) event.d script 2) bme binary Sep 24 10:22:17 does the rest of the stuff fail gracefully if the modules aren't loaded? Sep 24 10:22:22 kinda like if bme wasn't running Sep 24 10:22:50 original event.d script start charging (spawn bme and wait for soemthing...) Sep 24 10:23:05 new event.d script start charging too (it load kernel modules) Sep 24 10:23:36 Pali: does it touch /etc/bme-disabled or whatever usbmode.sh checks? Sep 24 10:24:03 no, usbmode.sh was changed to check if new version of bme-rx-51 is installed Sep 24 10:24:25 * kerio groans Sep 24 10:24:39 every old nokia bme package has version << 1.0 Sep 24 10:24:56 and every bme replacement version is >= 1.0 Sep 24 10:25:55 (if somebody for some unknown stupid reason want to increase version of bme packages - he can - but not higer than 1.0) Sep 24 10:36:25 kerio, you can look at project page: https://gitorious.org/rx51-bme-replacement Sep 24 10:54:34 kerio: guess what? sbc decoding and encoding binaries actually exists for C64x dsp. Sep 24 10:55:24 what's sbc? Sep 24 10:59:31 Bluetooth low complexity, sub band codec Sep 24 11:01:43 the a2dp talk from yesterday, remember? Sep 24 11:07:28 oh right Sep 24 11:07:39 well, if sbc is done by the bt chip... Sep 24 11:10:03 Morning Sep 24 11:10:31 morning! Sep 24 11:10:42 moin Sep 24 11:11:41 Jaffa: sup Sep 24 11:12:01 Jaffa: i like to read your sad morning tweets :P Sep 24 11:12:23 Skry, do you know about aptx bluetooth codec? Sep 24 11:12:40 Pali: almost nothing supports it :( Sep 24 11:13:02 is there any specification? Sep 24 11:13:38 I see that my bluetooth headset has support for aptx Sep 24 11:13:57 but I did not find anything about aptx codec... Sep 24 11:16:34 Pali: not much. Sep 24 11:17:15 i bet it's something not open Sep 24 11:17:38 there are products that use c64x dsp for the encoding but it's very proprietary stuff Sep 24 11:17:55 yeah, not open at all Sep 24 11:18:41 so there is no way to encode aptx on n900? Sep 24 11:18:56 not that I know about it Sep 24 11:18:59 or are there any ti dsp binaries for that? Sep 24 11:19:07 not from ti at least Sep 24 11:20:13 Pali: you could try to ask them for some info if there is binary for c64x http://www.dr-embedded.com/servlet/publicSite.displayIP?ipId=SW_MW_1200 Sep 24 11:20:34 and you have the skills for userspace parts Sep 24 11:21:07 what c64x mean? Sep 24 11:21:10 ~c64x Sep 24 11:21:46 n900 uses TMS320C64x dsp/isp Sep 24 11:24:37 c64x+ to be more exact Sep 24 11:28:27 Skry: do re really need DSP codec node for SBC? Sep 24 11:28:46 bluetoothd has nice NEON optimized codec Sep 24 11:29:28 freemangordon, how is dsp binary codec connected to system? Sep 24 11:29:37 gst-dsp Sep 24 11:30:02 gstreamer that is. though TI-OMX could be used too Sep 24 11:30:05 gst-dsp has special code for each codec? Sep 24 11:30:09 yes Sep 24 11:30:25 because each codec has different set of parameters :) Sep 24 11:30:42 year ago I saw project for theora support Sep 24 11:30:51 they created dsp codec binary Sep 24 11:30:59 hmm, IIRC it was DSP side Sep 24 11:31:09 freemangordon: no i dont need one, we just had this talk about it yesterday Sep 24 11:31:41 I do not know state of that project, but will be possible to use it? Sep 24 11:31:45 Pali: I tried to search for that one, disappeared :\ Sep 24 11:32:30 Pali: it could be usefull, but is there any problem with MPU side theora codec? Sep 24 11:33:19 all this talking reminds me that it is time to return to gst-dsp :) Sep 24 11:33:31 development that is Sep 24 11:34:36 Skry, I found link for that theora binary: http://code.entropywave.com/download/leonora/demo/theoradec.dll64P Sep 24 11:34:52 nice! Sep 24 11:35:09 but where is source code I do not know... Sep 24 11:35:22 but I remember that source code was in some git repo Sep 24 11:35:33 but on my hdd I cannot find it Sep 24 11:35:45 I found only that dll64P and link Sep 24 11:37:47 freemangordon: we don't even know if it's the CPU that does the sbc conversion Sep 24 11:37:55 it could be the bt chip itself Sep 24 11:37:58 here is original post: http://blog.mjg.im/2010/04/16/theora-on-n900.html Sep 24 11:41:32 Pali: http://code.entropywave.com/git?p=leonora.git;a=summary Sep 24 11:42:05 and http://code.entropywave.com/git?p=theora-c64x.git;a=summary Sep 24 11:42:31 nice, thanks! Sep 24 11:46:59 freemangordon, so for testing (and comparing) we only need gst-dsp binary which will use that theoradec.dll64P? Sep 24 11:48:35 i think you need to make theora specific code for gst-dsp first? Sep 24 11:51:11 hm... there is theora code for gst-openmax: http://code.entropywave.com/git?p=gstreamer/old/gst-openmax.git;a=summary Sep 24 11:57:34 google's android has modified bluez which support aptx codec via library libbt-aptx-4.0.3.so Sep 24 11:58:06 search for libbt-aptx-2.3.so or libbt-aptx-4.0.3.so Sep 24 12:14:43 Pali: in theory yes, though it depends for which DSP BIOS is codec node compiled for Sep 24 12:15:15 kerio: SBC on n900 is done through MPU, look in bluetoothd source code Sep 24 12:15:55 we have source code of theora dsp codec. can we recompile it for our dsp bios? Sep 24 12:16:27 aah, never tried to recompile DSP codec. AIUI is is a tough job :) Sep 24 12:19:30 ZogG_laptop: Glad I can provide :-) Sep 24 14:29:32 How do I get audible bell working with terminal? Sep 24 14:29:42 in ssh to irssi shell.. Sep 24 14:30:05 bells and all it's settings should be ok Sep 24 15:12:08 hello Sep 24 15:12:25 entitled: not sure it can even do a bell Sep 24 15:12:48 xterm on the n900 is pretty, say, underwhelming Sep 24 15:13:35 I decide to install maemo on moto me863 ,where can I download the source code of maemo 5? Sep 24 15:18:53 yang_: Nokia servers? Sep 24 15:27:26 lava_croft: yeah, I figured. I looked it up before and found it impossible but my friend claimed he had done it before.. but he confused it with something else Sep 24 15:28:17 Jaffa: it's just always something bad happens to you and when i read i just imagine you cold to what saying and just informing sarcastically Sep 24 15:37:24 Lava_Croft: yeh, no bell in osso-xterm. But just maybe you could train bash to do some tricks on seeing ^G Sep 24 15:38:39 in the end it all will call paly-sound Sep 24 15:38:52 play-sound* Sep 24 15:38:58 sorry Pali Sep 24 16:46:00 hello. I'm looking for a handbrake settings with great quality that will work on both my xbox 360 and n900. anyone have one of these presets? Sep 24 16:46:37 depsite looking at page on maemo.org and trying some of those presets, they didn't work for me Sep 24 16:46:50 and this assumes the generic presets aren't worth using Sep 24 16:47:26 i want to encode some dvds that i want to get rid of because they take up far more than compressed video Sep 24 16:47:35 for more space* Sep 24 16:49:59 ~seen zeq Sep 24 16:50:11 zeq <~s_j_newbu@2a01:348:1e3:1:e6ec:10ff:fe9a:d418> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 11d 2h 47m 2s ago, saying: 'hi freemangordon'. Sep 24 16:50:19 :( Sep 24 17:03:17 toldya, he ran with his sponsored N900, probably to Mexico Sep 24 17:03:34 yeah :( Sep 24 17:10:22 jk4: h264 baseline 3.0, aac audio, mp4 container, target size 700-1400 Sep 24 17:10:50 i tried the baseline and it didn't work Sep 24 17:12:15 always seem to get either something like invalid media format or bad audio codec Sep 24 17:12:18 in so many words.. Sep 24 17:16:56 jk4: I think there was some problems with (weighted?) b-frames but dont remember anymore exactly, also try dropping baseline level, and ofc autocrop and 2-pass encoding. Sep 24 17:20:18 jk4: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1136402&postcount=4 Sep 24 17:21:43 actually saw that post already Sep 24 17:21:46 and I ment _use_ autocrop and 2-pass encoding Sep 24 17:21:48 maybe i did something incorrectly Sep 24 17:22:54 weighted p-frames needs to be disabled too Sep 24 17:23:32 these mostly affect file size, yes? Sep 24 17:24:51 usually everything affects quality, if you dont care about file size you can just crank bitrate to whatever insane value you like :) Sep 24 17:25:33 anyways, i need to go but if you dont get h264 working, use mpeg4 simple profile Sep 24 17:33:41 what audio mixes does n900 support? Sep 24 17:33:48 if you don't care about file size you can just flac dat shit Sep 24 17:37:43 i prefer flac,but i doubt xbox supports flac Sep 24 17:37:54 have to go lowest common denominator for audio sadly Sep 24 17:38:11 could still add a flac version of audio.. Sep 24 17:38:34 flac option doesn't seem to be enabled.. huh.. Sep 24 17:43:53 jk4: and don't OC or undervolt! Sep 24 17:44:33 since a barfing up DSP/GFX-accel will cause exactly same msg Sep 24 17:45:53 OC? Undervolt? :) Sep 24 17:46:07 well, nm then, better you don't know ;-D Sep 24 17:46:43 ~omap-oc Sep 24 17:46:44 [omap-oc] http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-08-01.log.html#t2010-08-01T22:16:05 read that!, or and this http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-03-11.log.html#t2011-03-11T03:04:11 Sep 24 17:46:51 ~oc Sep 24 17:46:52 i heard oc is an Optical Carrier, An OC1 has 672 channels or 44.736 Mbit/s Sep 24 17:46:55 meh Sep 24 17:47:00 ~overclocking Sep 24 17:47:00 "OK, listen up. This is your CPU." apt drops the CPU into a hot frying pan. "This is your CPU on overclocking. Any questions?" Sep 24 18:09:08 jk4: you can pump up the dsp if you overclock Sep 24 18:09:16 but it's kinda dangerous Sep 24 18:09:30 that's not what i want Sep 24 18:10:56 that's usually not what people want, unless they want 720p recording/playback Sep 24 18:11:21 but, as DocScrutinizer05 said, overclocking can also give out error messages Sep 24 18:11:55 Foxcon workers win Guinness award for largerst mass battle since british hools Sep 24 18:12:07 heh Sep 24 18:12:10 what happened? Sep 24 18:12:32 2000 engaged in a wresting battle Sep 24 18:12:49 they must have real masses of strong beer there Sep 24 18:13:13 oh, i was hoping it was a mass riot Sep 24 18:13:37 yeah, it was Sep 24 18:13:53 neat Sep 24 18:14:05 they left the place wrecked Sep 24 18:14:08 is there any footage? Sep 24 18:14:11 mass punchup Sep 24 18:14:50 hello guys, does anyone have touch.facebook.com running in microb? its just loads infinitly here Sep 24 18:15:08 never worked properly for me, i use m. Sep 24 18:15:13 or the main site Sep 24 18:15:18 (it loads perfectly fine) Sep 24 18:16:01 ok thanks Sep 24 18:16:19 you might be luckier with opera mobile or fennec Sep 24 18:18:25 dont open in pera mobile (says something about xml error) and i dont like fenec as its slow and unmaintained anymore i think Sep 24 18:33:32 asem: well, do i have a treat for you! Sep 24 18:33:54 thumb-compiled fennec 17 for FREE* Sep 24 18:34:05 (*: must install cssu-thumb) Sep 24 18:36:44 kerio: i will check it out, thanks man :) Sep 24 18:37:11 complain to freemangordon for any problems Sep 24 19:03:46 * DocScrutinizer05 would feel happy if kerio was a tad more reasonable and user oriented with his recommendations. Sep 24 19:06:20 * vi__ would appreciate $50 and a blowjob. Sep 24 19:06:21 DocScrutinizer05: to be fair, fennec thumb-compiled is almost usable Sep 24 19:06:52 vi__: you can find a blowjob and $-50 together, often Sep 24 19:07:26 apt-cache policy blowjob Sep 24 19:08:02 sudo blow_me Sep 24 19:08:48 unzip && mount && fsck && sleep Sep 24 19:09:47 to be fair (to users you don't have any F*ing clue about ther level of experience), your suggestions was like "here's some funny substance, it is warm all the time and emits blue light in the dark. See what you can do with it" Sep 24 19:10:46 "but uh, here's that extremely heavy shirt, you'll like it" Sep 24 19:11:22 At least the lead clothing was provided. :p Sep 24 19:11:32 kerio: lol, what did you do know? Sep 24 19:11:47 DocScrutinizer05: but maybe we'll get a thorium fluoride reactor out of it! Sep 24 19:12:02 vi__: a dude was complaining about fennec being slow, i suggested fennec from cssu-thumb Sep 24 19:13:34 kerio: reasonable suggestion. Sep 24 19:13:42 i know, right? Sep 24 19:14:04 I assume you framed it by noting the caveats of using cssu-thumb? Sep 24 19:14:06 Requires a metric fuckton of caveat emptor, but whatevs. Sep 24 19:14:28 vi__: ...maybe Sep 24 19:18:49 Anyone try that port of the Webkit browser on the n900 -- Doobie? Sep 24 19:18:51 * Dooble Sep 24 19:22:48 great another half finished soon to be abandoned port. Sep 24 19:23:10 shall I file it with midori, tear or helium? Sep 24 19:26:47 Is there something I should know before trying pali's u-boot with cssu-thumb? I think installing kernel-cssu-bootimg should be enough? Sep 24 19:32:46 vi__: I guess Tear served the 8xx well, though. Sep 24 19:33:16 I never had an 8x0. Sep 24 19:33:30 Although I liked the size better Sep 24 19:34:10 wtf is !!Linux kernel for power user (boot Image) breaks the 3rd party package policy? Sep 24 19:34:21 qwazix__: some HAM bullshit Sep 24 19:35:02 hmm... now infinite loops come to my mind. Sep 24 19:35:47 If I force install it, and then I want to update cssu-thumb, I'll find it in front of me, and I'll have to remove bootimg, but if I have u-boot, bootimg is essential Sep 24 19:35:56 aargh! Sep 24 19:36:57 apt-get indeed doesn't complain. I'll risk it. Sep 24 19:37:02 qwazix__: what? Sep 24 19:37:09 which version is that? Sep 24 19:37:24 the one in devel, let me see Sep 24 19:37:37 no,no, cssu-thumb you have installed? Sep 24 19:37:42 1:2.6.28-10cssu3 Sep 24 19:37:54 ah, latest Sep 24 19:37:57 not the kernel :) Sep 24 19:38:21 no wrong. 5.1+thumb0 Sep 24 19:38:29 hmm, installing KP should not break it Sep 24 19:38:44 freemangordon: he wants to install the bootimg Sep 24 19:38:45 not the flasher Sep 24 19:38:48 I'm not installing KP, just kcssu bootimg Sep 24 19:38:51 does not matter Sep 24 19:39:08 which 3rd party policy? Sep 24 19:39:23 it should be listed under "problems" tab Sep 24 19:40:24 oh, I always forget problems tab, I already installed it, let me remove it and check again Sep 24 19:40:40 qwazix__: BTW you should have either KP or KCSSU flasher installed Sep 24 19:40:52 otherwise it won't work Sep 24 19:41:01 HAM has a weird thing where third-party packages can't depend on exact versions of packages listed in the metapackage Sep 24 19:41:20 hmm Sep 24 19:41:37 it can be ignored via redpill Sep 24 19:41:45 It's installed Sep 24 19:42:02 the flasher, that is Sep 24 19:42:47 but you have problems installing bootimg? WTF? Sep 24 19:43:09 * qwazix__ is waiting patiently for HAM to do whatever is doing Sep 24 19:43:18 hehe Sep 24 19:43:40 kerio: wtf, r u high? Sep 24 19:43:48 qwazix__: though it should be a bit faster with -thumb you have installed Sep 24 19:43:56 vi__: ? Sep 24 19:43:58 why? Sep 24 19:44:45 qwazix__: I predict you will be waiting some time. Sep 24 19:44:53 yeah, it is much better, but with devel enabled it's still slow. I wonder if somebody has hidden code to compute fractals inside HAM Sep 24 19:45:11 apt 4 lyfe, yo Sep 24 19:45:56 the problems tab has the following extremely useful information Sep 24 19:46:29 Unable to install 'Linux kernel for Community SSU (boot image for u-boot and multiboot)' Sep 24 19:46:45 it's because the 3rd party policy is half-assed Sep 24 19:47:27 I'll upgrade to latest cssu-thumb and try again Sep 24 19:48:36 freemangordon, ^^ (problems tab) Sep 24 19:48:39 ham can suck my nuts. Sep 24 19:48:39 I must make a confession. Sep 24 19:48:39 I installed thumb by usihg apt. Sep 24 19:48:39 I know. Sep 24 19:48:39 I wish xterm worked properly. Sep 24 19:49:02 qwazix__: yeah, saw it Sep 24 19:49:13 anything in the HAM log? Sep 24 19:49:33 where's the HAM log? Sep 24 19:49:41 in the menu Sep 24 19:50:21 "Checking for updates, please wait"... Sep 24 19:50:35 :) Sep 24 19:54:22 Except the same error message about breaking 3rd party policy, there is a load of errors "Ignoring version from wrong domain: libsdl-mixer1.2 1:1.2.6-5+0m5+ogg+mp3 Sep 24 19:54:54 qwazix__: hmm, something is wrong there Sep 24 19:55:30 what does apt-get upgrade say? Sep 24 19:56:25 BTW i'll try to install -bootimg on my seconde device, lets see hot it will go here Sep 24 19:56:34 s/hot/how/ Sep 24 19:56:35 freemangordon meant: BTW i'll try to install -bootimg on my seconde device, lets see how it will go here Sep 24 19:58:14 libqtm-12-whatever, libsdl-mixer1.2, mypaint, mad-developer kept back, mp-fremantle-community-pr, busybox power, dosfstools and some apps to be upgraded Sep 24 20:00:00 I'll upgrade cssu-thumb and try again after the upgrade Sep 24 20:00:08 ok Sep 24 20:02:32 qwazix__: no problem here :( Sep 24 20:03:31 hmm, I had the same problem when trying to upgrade cssu-thumb, and removed bootimg by hand. DrFrostDk on tmo had the same problem IIRC Sep 24 20:03:56 could it be libqtm? Sep 24 20:04:06 anyway, I can live with installing bootimg with apt-get, but I am curious if the same thing will happen next time I upgrade cssu-thumb Sep 24 20:04:15 possibly Sep 24 20:04:40 http://wiki.maemo.org/Red_Pill_mode Sep 24 20:04:51 qwazix__: 5.1-thumb0 to 5.1-thumb1 should have no problems (and it does not have here) Sep 24 20:04:53 I really missed it :-D Sep 24 20:05:19 It doesn't seem to have any problems here either. (without the bootimg) Sep 24 20:05:33 I mean, typing "matrix" into some URL, if that's not geeky then I dunno Sep 24 20:06:28 DocScrutinizer05, I missed it too especially after PR1.whatever where it was the only way for me to install debs outside of the repos (had no idea of dpkg then) Sep 24 20:06:50 qwazix__: hmm, that is really strange. it could be that HAM plays it smart and tries to autoremove cssu-kernel-flasher. though i can see a reason why it want to do that, -bootomg does not provide kernel-feature-errata-... Sep 24 20:07:11 *i can not see Sep 24 20:07:42 DocScrutinizer05: the hackerbox is a lot geekier Sep 24 20:10:35 freemangordon, I am in thumb1 successfully, flasher is still installed, let's see what HAM says about bootimg Sep 24 20:11:33 "WARNING: Red Pill is not intended for use by users, power-users, nor the vast majority of developers. Red Pill mode is very likely to break your tablet and should not be used unless you know exactly what you are doing." Sep 24 20:11:42 but rootsh is totally fine, isn't it Sep 24 20:12:31 kerio, I love the message that sudo gainroot spits out without rootsh installed... Sep 24 20:22:32 * kerio just optified /var/lib/apt and /var/lib/dpkg Sep 24 20:22:44 66MB free on rootfs Sep 24 20:22:59 with a size of 228MB, so it's more like 80 Sep 24 20:30:12 freemangordon, still not installable neither kcssu-bootimg, nor kp-bootimg Sep 24 20:30:47 qwazix__: NFC :( Sep 24 20:30:59 it's probably some apt-spaghetti I've got on my device. Nevermind. Sep 24 20:31:12