**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Sep 29 02:59:57 2012 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Sep 29 06:04:57 2012 Sep 29 09:00:45 hi Sep 29 10:49:30 is there anything i need to do before using n900's tv out? Sep 29 10:49:45 i connect it to my tv card but all i get is a black screen Sep 29 10:50:24 in the status menu i have Tv Out with Output enabled Sep 29 11:10:45 trx: hmm, do you have CSSU installed? Sep 29 11:10:49 reduce the scaling a bit Sep 29 11:16:49 my n900 has water damage and someone wants to buy it Sep 29 11:17:11 what can I do for my private data on the internal memory? Sep 29 11:18:35 kerio yes Sep 29 11:18:42 i'll try that, thanks Sep 29 11:20:44 didn't help :( Sep 29 11:27:14 grammoboy, can you in any way boot the device up? Sep 29 11:27:34 if not, then you have to repair the device before getting to the internal memory Sep 29 11:28:36 Hurrian, it flashes up but doesn't boot Sep 29 11:31:50 how hard is it to remove internal memory? Sep 29 11:32:31 and what is the chance that it is still ok after water damage Sep 29 12:19:28 trx, try to change PAL/NTSC Sep 29 12:27:27 Pali: though trx has left, I'd like to note that cssu tv-out setting appletacts rather weird after first installation: real settings in effect don't match what's displayed by the applet Sep 29 12:31:24 grammoboy: there's nothing sensible you can do. Your basic options are reflashing of COMBINED and VANILLA, which most probably won't work, and erasure of flash by hard xray which will probably also kill BT, WLAN, ALS, camera, chargerchip and I dunno which chips also have internal flash for factory calibration or chip 'firmware' that user can't easily reflash Sep 29 12:32:24 of course you also could desolder the 32GB flash eMMC chip Sep 29 12:33:38 #maemo, always providing sensible solutions to common problems Sep 29 12:34:01 there might be a theoretical opportunity to access and erase eMMC via JTAG even on a non-working system, but that's a really technically demanding task Sep 29 12:34:32 ok, thx Sep 29 12:34:38 so don't sell it Sep 29 12:34:45 trust the new owner Sep 29 12:34:58 or trust that the device will not wake up Sep 29 12:36:24 or change all you private data you think might be sensible, like email accounts & passwords. Hard to change addr data of friends though, if you think those are privacy sensible. And of course no way to erase all your private p0rn you shot with the camera ;-) Sep 29 12:37:21 it's mostly mail which is stored in the claw mail client Sep 29 12:37:22 s/sensible/critical/g Sep 29 12:37:23 DocScrutinizer06 meant: or change all you private data you think might be critical, like email accounts & passwords. Hard to change addr data of friends though, if you think those are privacy critical. And of course no way to erase all your private p0rn you shot with the camera ... Sep 29 12:37:29 and txt messages Sep 29 12:38:08 I changed the passwrds already Sep 29 12:38:25 have to think a moment about how sensitive the existing mail in the inboxes are ... Sep 29 12:38:50 not that my life is that interesting though Sep 29 12:38:51 sensitive, thanks thats the word I've been searching for Sep 29 12:39:59 generally it's hard to tell what got destructed by water damage, but it's usually nothing terribly fatal Sep 29 12:40:30 so I might be better off going to a shop for repair? Sep 29 12:41:37 you're better off first properly drying the device. there are tiny gaps and cavities under the chips resp nbetween board and chip, where water can stay for months without proper cleaning & drying procedure Sep 29 12:42:04 I've put it in rise for several days Sep 29 12:43:22 open up all cans. rinse mainboard with pure ethanol (98%) several times, use pressurized air to blow out liquid from all corners. Then dry at ~60째C for at least a week Sep 29 12:43:58 rice is utter nonsense Sep 29 12:44:26 I think it's not Sep 29 12:44:41 or it is a good placebo Sep 29 12:45:09 your rice been in contact with open air for months (you don't store rice in vacuum packing). During that time it adsorbed all the humidity it can take Sep 29 12:45:22 60캜 for a week? hey man I live in the netherlands Sep 29 12:45:27 :) Sep 29 12:45:28 honestly, rice is bullshit Sep 29 12:46:49 probably from the observation that a few grains of rice in salt dispenser stop the salt from building chunks Sep 29 12:47:14 that's an entirely different effect though, unrelated to humidity first place Sep 29 12:47:17 how do you dry at 60 degrees? Sep 29 12:47:42 I usually place the device at air outlet of my laptop or server box ;-) Sep 29 12:48:03 hmm Sep 29 12:48:39 or just place it on top of your room heating Sep 29 12:49:09 if that's the most common type of heater units with hot water inside Sep 29 12:50:10 cans = screws? Sep 29 12:50:29 no, the lids of those small steel cans on the PCB Sep 29 12:51:53 they're nasty to remove, since they have several dozen latches holding them down all around the perimeter Sep 29 12:53:29 you carefully open them by prying up notch after notch with a pinpoint small knife or detist pin tool, going around the perimeter several times. will take like 10min per lid, where first 5 minutes you think it will never come off Sep 29 12:55:36 anyway opening the cans is mandatory with water damage, since you can't clean the inside of those cans any other way Sep 29 12:57:18 how much is the chance that it succeeds Sep 29 12:57:27 it can have a short circuit Sep 29 12:57:29 hard to say Sep 29 12:57:44 did you immediately remove battery after water incident? Sep 29 12:58:03 yes Sep 29 12:58:07 but restarted Sep 29 12:58:10 it too early Sep 29 12:58:16 then it became worse Sep 29 12:58:17 hmm Sep 29 12:58:30 at first there was only small disfuntioning Sep 29 12:58:49 after I tried to recharge it, it didn't boot again Sep 29 12:58:56 DocScrutinizer06: what about vacuum-packed rice? Sep 29 12:59:09 (semi-serious question) Sep 29 12:59:14 electrolytic deterrioration of traces and shorts is most severe threat Sep 29 13:00:19 how can I make sure that the internal memory gets destroyed ? :) Sep 29 13:00:33 kerio: rice has no special hygroscopic / hydrophile properties. Use Silka Gel or other dedicated humidity remover substance Sep 29 13:00:35 look at the problem from an other side :) Sep 29 13:00:47 DocScrutinizer06: k Sep 29 13:01:21 grammoboy: desolder, or electrocute Sep 29 13:01:44 DocScrutinizer06, howto electrocute? Sep 29 13:01:47 or overheat, maybe actually a good way Sep 29 13:02:11 put it in the oven? Sep 29 13:02:17 wel, proper overheating will desolder the chip anyway ;-P Sep 29 13:04:18 grammoboy: I don't see the purpose of all that. Since nobody will pay reasonable amount of $currency for a mainboard with destroyed eMMC chip Sep 29 13:04:35 plus other unknown defects caused by water damage Sep 29 13:05:02 I've a bid of 30 euro already Sep 29 13:05:28 if somebody wants to pay a few bucks for a N900 board with a water defect, then only since he hopes to repair ir Sep 29 13:05:32 it* Sep 29 13:05:54 he wants to use parts of it Sep 29 13:06:16 and he hopes to repair it probably first Sep 29 13:06:43 adding damage to the board that's beyond the already published/announced water damage is incorrect business and will defeat the purpose the buyer got that board for Sep 29 13:07:16 that's true Sep 29 13:08:10 ok, I'll think about what is wise here Sep 29 13:08:11 thx Sep 29 13:08:45 so either remove the board completely and sell the rest for spare parts, or drill a hole thru eMMC chip or simply pry it off the poard by brute force, and announce the board got damaged mechanically Sep 29 13:09:17 s/poard/board/ Sep 29 13:09:17 DocScrutinizer06 meant: so either remove the board completely and sell the rest for spare parts, or drill a hole thru eMMC chip or simply pry it off the board by brute force, and announce the board got damaged mechanically Sep 29 13:10:41 both will require you disassembling the N900 and do quite some work, which is not worth it regarding the maybe maqx 50bucks you could get Sep 29 13:11:30 (and I honestly doubt somebody will pay 50 bucks for such a 'device') Sep 29 13:13:20 if you already disassemble the device, you're better off trying to 'repair' it by proper cleaning&drying procedure Sep 29 13:14:19 how do you put the ethanol on it? Sep 29 13:15:09 I.E rinse with tap water thoroughly to remove any possible metaloxides from electrolytic damage during battery inserted, then with destilled water, then with ethanol. clean with pressurized air after each rinse Sep 29 13:15:38 DocScrutinizer06: hm, wouldn't it be better to avoid tap water altogether? Sep 29 13:15:54 I usually use a cleaned plastic spray can from glass cleaner Sep 29 13:16:50 kerio: it's available in large quatities and with proper pressure to get a forceful jet of water Sep 29 13:17:05 oh ok Sep 29 13:17:16 it's just that you can't get a lot of distilled water Sep 29 13:17:33 you rinse out any metaloxide and other dirt by giving the PCB a proper shower Sep 29 13:17:39 of maybe 5 minutes Sep 29 13:18:02 with several breaks for pressurized air Sep 29 13:18:36 then rinse with distilled water 2 or 3 times, using maybe 1l Sep 29 13:18:58 then 2 or 3 rinses with ethanol Sep 29 13:19:34 the idea being that the ethanol is hygroscopic and easily delutes the water remnants Sep 29 13:20:39 (you also could use metanol or isopropyl, if it's 98%+ ) Sep 29 13:23:18 grammoboy: ((how do you put the ethanol on it?)) iirc there's also one electrical cabinet and board cleanser from KontaktChemie that's mainly pure alcohol Sep 29 13:24:27 http://www.funk-shop.de/70_kontaktchemie/70_kontakt-chemie_uebersicht1.htm Sep 29 13:29:20 http://www.crcind.com/csp/web/functdisp.csp?lng=3&idx=2245746&country=ALL&brand=KOC&CSPCHD=0000000100003havj1o1000000_Xh73_EqRN9yZ72T0tM0oA-- Sep 29 13:31:29 alcohol cleanser: http://www.crcind.com/csp/web/ProdDisp.csp?lng=3&idx=2245746&country=ALL&product=KONTAKT%20IPA&brand=KOC&CSPCHD=0000000100003havj1o1000000_Xh73_EqRN9yZ72T0tM0oA-- Sep 29 13:41:28 Meanwhile: http://blog.openwebosproject.org/post/32462950628/open-webos-1-0-edition Sep 29 13:41:43 Doc: Drinkable? =) Sep 29 13:42:10 if you want to do something more aggressive about possible metaloxides from electrolysis (they may short balls under chip), use kontakt60 and then rinse with Kontakt-WL Sep 29 13:43:39 and use pressurized air extensively, Kontakt360 if you don't have compressor and air gun Sep 29 13:44:40 RST38h: no ethanol, so probably not what you like to digest Sep 29 13:49:00 Doc: higher spirits are also drinkable Sep 29 13:49:32 Doc: apparently not as enjoyable though =) Sep 29 13:50:58 thx guys ciao Sep 29 14:13:16 [council elections] I request adding a virtual nobody as electable option to the ballot. So despite we might have maybe 6 (or 42) candidates, everybody can vote for limiting council to maybe 2 members by putting "nobody" on position 3 of his ballot. Counting votes for candidates would stop then as soon as "nobody" was the next elected candidate. If all voters put "nobody" on position #1, then "nobody" was first elected member of council Sep 29 14:13:18 and thus council basically disestablished by community Sep 29 14:16:36 I think it's not "fair" or really democratic to not offer an opportunity to vote *against* the whole thing. As it's now we only have the option to (partially) not vote at all, giving some or all of our 5 votes to oblivion Sep 29 14:17:23 so as it's now there could be Sep 29 14:18:23 so as it's now there could get council members legitly elected by 1% of interested voters while 99% preferring to NOT see this candidate in council have no voice Sep 29 14:19:05 i love how DocScrutinizer06 is desperately looking for ways not to be elected Sep 29 14:19:32 kerio: I suggested exactly this thing for last elections already Sep 29 14:19:46 anyway, why do we need a council and a board? Sep 29 14:20:50 since it's obvious that - when there are lesser candidates than positions - now there's no sense in vote at all, while maybe 100% of those eligible to vote would prefer no council to a council with exactly those candidates Sep 29 14:21:01 kerio: a very good question Sep 29 14:22:59 (prefer no council) or, more real life related, maybe community would prefer a council with only 4 members over one with that particular candidate as 5th member. Recently there's no way to express this notion in your vote Sep 29 14:23:49 can you vote for the same dudes in council and board? Sep 29 14:23:55 yes Sep 29 14:25:22 and reading backlog of [community] ML I found some mails that read to me like self-nominations (though not very loud and clear). E.G I'd consider woody as already having nominated himself for council as well Sep 29 14:25:37 Luke-Jr as well Sep 29 14:25:56 misterC maybe too Sep 29 14:26:39 [14:19:04] i love how DocScrutinizer06 is desperately looking for ways not to be elected Sep 29 14:26:40 lol Sep 29 14:26:50 well, council nomination period got automatically extended by one month this night already, so I hope there will step up some more candidates Sep 29 14:30:00 and I think one of the more reasonable tasks of next council was to redefine own foundation definition and resulting duties, and ask community about what they think about all that. Maybe council will self-disestablish, or redefine own rationale, or just unify with board/foundation, or whatever Sep 29 14:31:58 since as it stands now, the #1 purpose of council ceases to exist: >>The Council's mission is to "represent the Maemo community's best interests, and to act as a community conduit for Nokia-generated information."<< Sep 29 14:33:02 when Nokia is no more relevant for $maemo, so how's council as a embassador between community and Nokia? Sep 29 14:33:24 Usually, not having enough people to stand up for community council elections means there's not much of a community to represent anymore. Sep 29 14:33:47 quite possible Sep 29 14:34:25 If there's one thing that communities attract, it's ego-centric idiots. Ego-centric idiots love fame, so they stand for community council (doesn't mean they get elected). No ego-centric idiots offering themselves up ==> no community to attract them. Sep 29 14:34:32 teotwaki__: well, hildon foundation has got some people Sep 29 14:34:51 at least I guess a lot of those who define themselves as "maemo community members" now, they just don't see the use of any council representing them Sep 29 14:35:50 I'm trying to test if two processes are both running, but can't seem to get the bash AND operation to work, any ideas? : Sep 29 14:35:51 if [[ ps a | grep -v grep | grep -q process1 && ps a | grep -v grep | grep -q process2 ]]; then echo yes; fi Sep 29 14:37:48 the unexpressibly unfortunate device award mess also didn't help to increase reputation of council entity in community's point of view Sep 29 14:38:40 narcos: if [ `ps a | grep -v grep | grep -c process1` gt 0 ] && [ `ps a | grep -v grep | grep -c process2` gt 0 ]; then echo yes; fi Sep 29 14:39:26 meh Sep 29 14:40:40 teotwaki__: "[: gt: binary operator expected" Sep 29 14:40:52 man 2 kill >> If sig is 0, then no signal is sent, but error checking is still performed; this can be used to check for the existence of a process ID or process group ID.<< Sep 29 14:41:03 DocScrutinizer06: pidof ftw Sep 29 14:41:41 :nod: that too Sep 29 14:42:47 pidof $process >/dev/null Sep 29 14:43:59 if pidof process1 >/dev/null && pidof process2 >/dev/null; then Sep 29 14:44:36 narcos: there's this, also: pidof foobar > /dev/null; process_count=$?; pidof otherbar > /dev/null; process_count=`expr $process_count + $?`; if [ $process_count eq 2 ] ; then echo yes; fi Sep 29 14:44:48 alas "pidof program [program...]" does OR, not AND Sep 29 14:45:17 Ahhh I didn't know about those options, cool Sep 29 14:45:24 DocScrutinizer06: actually, it does Sep 29 14:45:58 pidof bar foo | wc -w Sep 29 14:46:07 However, I'm actually looking for the presence of a python script that's running - so I don't think this will work? I look for "ps a | grep python | grep -v grep | grep myscript.py" Sep 29 14:47:28 you don't need grep -v grep Sep 29 14:47:49 or maybe you do, I don't remember Sep 29 14:47:59 sorry that's not really failsafe. Since you can invoke python scripts directly, just like shellscripts. Given you got the right shebang Sep 29 14:48:10 narcos: ^^^ Sep 29 14:48:39 Yeah, true. But the python script should only ever be called from a bash script that launches it Sep 29 14:49:01 and if you're really going to use grep, then you should exploit REGEX for pattern Sep 29 14:49:12 not pipe from one grep to next to next Sep 29 14:49:21 Basically, I have a bash script which amongst other things launches some python scripts. When the bash script runs I want to output whether the python scripts were successfully executed. Sep 29 14:50:04 err, executed? then check for $? of each one Sep 29 14:50:41 I guess you don't mean "executed" but rather "started" Sep 29 14:52:20 narcos: btw ((I look for "ps a | grep p...)) note that maemo standard messybox ps doesn't take any parameters really Sep 29 14:52:48 DocScrutinizer06: Actually that is how I'm currently doing it, checking for $? - but I also want to make sure other 'stale' instances don't exist Sep 29 14:53:17 killall? ;-D Sep 29 14:53:22 pkill -f ftw Sep 29 14:54:07 Actually yeah, I think I'll pull in some aggressive killing Sep 29 14:54:14 killall even returns if there's been any process to kill Sep 29 14:54:42 so you can emit proper warning msg in your script Sep 29 14:54:58 I don't want to 'killall python' though? Sep 29 14:55:03 Maybe: Sep 29 14:55:21 for i in `ps a | grep 'python' | grep 'prog1\|prog2.py' | grep -v grep| cut -d " " -f 2`; do kill -9 $i &> /dev/null; done Sep 29 14:55:35 killall "full process name" && echo "WARNING! stale process detected and killed" >&2 Sep 29 14:57:07 DocScrutinizer06: Nice Sep 29 14:57:51 Hi all. Seem i have really slow write speed to my sd card inside n900. It takes 40 second to write 100 mb with dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mmcblk bs=1M count=100. is this normal? Sep 29 14:58:11 *mmcblk1 Sep 29 14:58:49 that's a 2.5Mb/S which doesn't sound good Sep 29 14:58:57 gena2x: echo 8192 > /sys/block/mmcblk1/queue/nr_requests Sep 29 14:59:29 holy .... Sep 29 14:59:59 what? Sep 29 15:00:12 8s Sep 29 15:00:23 40s -> 8s Sep 29 15:00:39 any link for more info? Sep 29 15:00:44 and thank you much btw Sep 29 15:02:38 ^_____^ Sep 29 15:02:44 kerio: btw, is that permanent? Sep 29 15:02:52 nope Sep 29 15:03:13 Sicelo: i have http://fpaste.org/aP4o/raw/ right at the end of my /etc/init.d/rcS Sep 29 15:03:21 ah, i see Maemo has sysctl Sep 29 15:04:12 thanks for those :) Sep 29 15:04:17 kerio, unsure if this actually helps Sep 29 15:04:27 it does Sep 29 15:04:31 kerio, just increase some buffers Sep 29 15:04:36 i pushed count=1000 Sep 29 15:04:40 er, it doesn't Sep 29 15:04:46 and it turned to be 4m1s Sep 29 15:04:49 Sicelo: you need procps installed for /etc/sysctl.conf to work Sep 29 15:05:07 gena2x: try swappolube, it has settings to play with io scheduler Sep 29 15:05:27 freemangordon, but what's actually wrong? Sep 29 15:05:40 which one is wrong? Sep 29 15:05:55 freemangordon, with write speed i mean Sep 29 15:06:11 gena2x: a high nr_requests allows for I/O to be put in order before being executed Sep 29 15:06:15 you lost me like 3 min ago Sep 29 15:06:28 I/O sucks for random writes Sep 29 15:06:40 kerio, then i am doing dd i am doing perfectly sequental writes Sep 29 15:06:54 modulo swap ;-P Sep 29 15:07:12 yep Sep 29 15:07:15 aah, yes, DocScrutinizer06 has a point here :D Sep 29 15:07:43 DocScrutinizer06, hi my old fellow hater Sep 29 15:07:53 sometimes I forget the stock maemo has swap on eMMC Sep 29 15:08:30 gena2x: hi! sorry for mistaking your name 3 years ago Sep 29 15:08:42 LOL Sep 29 15:08:48 DocScrutinizer06: 1 year! =) Sep 29 15:10:26 freemangordon: took a look to swappolube, i'm fine with command-line interface Sep 29 15:11:16 but why in hell sd write speed is 2.5MiB/s? if this only for me or everyone has such speeds? Sep 29 15:12:34 gena2x: those are my settings http://pastebin.com/xNiFwSPK Sep 29 15:12:43 have in mind my swap is on uSD Sep 29 15:13:47 setting are settings, but what's your write speed? Sep 29 15:14:28 could you paste your script again? Sep 29 15:14:30 dd one Sep 29 15:14:49 i just can't install debian because process of installing base system takes more that a day Sep 29 15:15:23 if=/dev/zero of=file bs=1M count=100 Sep 29 15:15:32 time dd if=/dev/zero of=file bs=1M count=100 Sep 29 15:15:38 ok Sep 29 15:15:40 didn't for me, although i did it a long while back Sep 29 15:15:57 debian base system, i mean... Sep 29 15:16:01 don't use my old cmdline it would destroy data on /dev/mmcblk1 Sep 29 15:16:13 it's all about free memory and swap usage Sep 29 15:16:23 hmm, fs plays role too Sep 29 15:16:38 7,9 MB/s here Sep 29 15:16:39 here, i have 1min on fs and 40 second without Sep 29 15:16:45 hmmmm Sep 29 15:16:55 kerio, do you use some custom settings? Sep 29 15:16:57 base limit on eMMC write is like 12MB/s Sep 29 15:17:00 iirc Sep 29 15:17:46 real 0m 17.45s sys 0m 2.02s Sep 29 15:18:21 5.73 Sep 29 15:18:36 freemangordon: can you run once again with count=200 please? Sep 29 15:18:41 but that is in /home/user/MyDocs/tmp Sep 29 15:18:46 i.e. vfat Sep 29 15:19:01 yeah LOL, rather ambiguous testbed Sep 29 15:19:11 :nod: Sep 29 15:19:24 this is to eliminate effect of caches Sep 29 15:19:59 gena2x: getting debian's base system up needs all this? Sep 29 15:20:12 0m 45.89s , 4.36 MB/s Sep 29 15:20:13 please s^file^/path/to/file^ Sep 29 15:20:39 will try that in /opt Sep 29 15:20:53 Sicelo, i really tried to install it. twice. but i can't, because seems each subsequental write request take longer and longer Sep 29 15:21:06 gena2x: use my settings Sep 29 15:21:07 yep, you need a bigger nr_requests Sep 29 15:21:22 freemangordon: 512? :c Sep 29 15:21:26 so i decided to investigate what's going on Sep 29 15:21:27 yep Sep 29 15:21:48 kerio: you should account for responsiveness too ;) Sep 29 15:21:55 bs=100M count=1 Sep 29 15:22:12 saving 32kb of ram won't help responsiveness Sep 29 15:22:13 or something Sep 29 15:22:14 bs=100k count=1000 Sep 29 15:22:21 (it's probably a lot more, but ok) Sep 29 15:22:27 in /opt real 0m 36.86s, 5.42 MB/s Sep 29 15:23:16 not good actually Sep 29 15:23:17 free Sep 29 15:23:39 flush Sep 29 15:24:03 kerio: it is not because of the RAM, I used transmission for stresstest to find the optimal settings :D Sep 29 15:24:37 higher nr_requests will result in higher io rate, but UI will stutter Sep 29 15:24:59 swappiness Sep 29 15:25:03 and it doesn't answer question why sequental write is so slow Sep 29 15:25:19 gena2x: the 7th time, consider swap! Sep 29 15:25:19 gena2x: as it is not sequental Sep 29 15:25:39 DocScrutinizer06, how dd related to swap? Sep 29 15:25:58 freemangordon, write with dd is not sequental? why? Sep 29 15:26:06 gena2x: fs , that is why Sep 29 15:26:11 how is any arbitrary binary execution related to swap? Sep 29 15:26:29 freemangordon, i observe same result with writing directly to device Sep 29 15:26:46 which device? Sep 29 15:27:10 mmcblk1 Sep 29 15:27:15 *sigh* Sep 29 15:27:19 /dev/mmcblk1 Sep 29 15:27:37 isn't that uSD? Sep 29 15:27:41 it is Sep 29 15:27:51 well, by a faster one Sep 29 15:27:56 heh Sep 29 15:28:06 I was not kidding Sep 29 15:28:09 each IO in queue has a buffer of the data to write. In RAM. To make more space for buffers, the OS swaps out stuff. This creates more IO to complete Sep 29 15:28:13 gena2x: i thought we were talking about the eMMC Sep 29 15:28:20 most uSDs, especially non-sandisk ones, suck balls Sep 29 15:28:21 yeah, me too Sep 29 15:28:24 my question is it a limit of usd or controller Sep 29 15:29:04 gena2x: no limit there, will give you the result for my 16G class 10 sandisk in several seconds Sep 29 15:29:33 freemangordon, cool would be excellent! do 200mb write please Sep 29 15:30:43 DocScrutinizer06, i got your idea. but i am usure that things are really work in this way. it's easy to check - just need to turn swap off Sep 29 15:30:51 real 0m 24.24s, 8.25 MB/s Sep 29 15:30:59 How do I connect to a hidden wifi network? Sep 29 15:31:10 The stupid GUI interface doesn't allow me to configure that. Sep 29 15:31:17 sure it does Sep 29 15:31:26 gena2x: have in mind my swap is on the same device Sep 29 15:31:28 PEBKAC Sep 29 15:31:41 pozic: if any hidden wifi network is detected, you get a "hidden wifi" button and then you can input the SSID Sep 29 15:31:42 pozic: add it manually in settings Sep 29 15:31:45 pozic: using the stupid UI, manually enter network id Sep 29 15:31:50 pozic: or you can add it manually, and then it'll always appear Sep 29 15:32:03 ok, i turned off swap with swapoff -a Sep 29 15:32:07 hmm, this was a bit underwhelming Sep 29 15:32:09 gena2x: nooo Sep 29 15:32:12 APTX: I only get in this 'wizard'. Sep 29 15:32:14 2gb in vfat, 3,3 MB/s Sep 29 15:32:18 APTX: which doesn't support it. Sep 29 15:32:34 gena2x: you'll have OOM reboot Sep 29 15:32:46 freemangordon, done and i'm fine Sep 29 15:32:52 ok, if you say so Sep 29 15:32:58 Ok, I got it. Sep 29 15:32:59 Thanks Sep 29 15:33:02 256MiB is really enough Sep 29 15:33:26 pozic: doesn't support what? Sep 29 15:33:27 pozic: otoh hidden network is generally deprecated since it *reduces* safety Sep 29 15:33:37 seem i still have like 15MiB free memory Sep 29 15:33:45 acc to top Sep 29 15:33:51 DocScrutinizer06: it does? How? Sep 29 15:34:01 pozic: so if you want to connect to that hidden SSID, I assume you have control over the AP. So it's up to you to change that unfortunate setting Sep 29 15:34:17 DocScrutinizer06: I have control over it, yes. Sep 29 15:34:20 gena2x: which reminds me... that we can use swappless maemo to check the benefits of -thumb Sep 29 15:34:33 DocScrutinizer06: it just doesn't make sense that it would be less secure because of that. Sep 29 15:34:35 pozic: it makes your devices axpose more info about their configuration AFAIK Sep 29 15:35:04 ok. 3.3, but that should be real speed of this usd card Sep 29 15:35:26 DocScrutinizer06: which wireless standards does the n900 support? Sep 29 15:35:28 let's get my usd out and write to it via adapter on PC Sep 29 15:35:28 is it some adata? Sep 29 15:35:41 pozic: it's less secure because some fake AP can claim is your AP Sep 29 15:35:42 pozic: 802.11b/g iirc Sep 29 15:35:42 DocScrutinizer06: i.e., b/g/n pick the highest. Sep 29 15:35:43 gena2x: what is the brand? Sep 29 15:35:52 Thanks Sep 29 15:36:05 kingston Sep 29 15:36:12 ooo, that is crap Sep 29 15:36:31 get a good class 4 sandisk Sep 29 15:36:55 i am ready to go and buy anything else if that would make my sd work really faster Sep 29 15:37:15 i just want to be sure that this would help Sep 29 15:37:16 And how do I select WPA2 as the security method? Sep 29 15:37:20 pozic: also your device will try to associate to alien "hidden" AP, thus exposing all the stuff you wanna keep secret to those Sep 29 15:37:22 gena2x: sequental writes does not matter really Sep 29 15:37:37 There is only NONE, WEP, WPA pre-shared key and WPA with EAP Sep 29 15:38:13 ponyofdeath: WPA pre-shared Sep 29 15:38:17 oops Sep 29 15:38:22 pozic: ^^^ Sep 29 15:38:23 I'm not even sure N900 supports WPA2, but that might be just me Sep 29 15:38:38 DocScrutinizer06: this is what I use at home Sep 29 15:38:42 it does Sep 29 15:38:51 freemangordon: I don't know whether my router supports WPA pre-shared. Sep 29 15:39:03 it does Sep 29 15:39:03 heh Sep 29 15:39:04 There is only NONE, WEP, WPA pre-shared key and WPA with EAP Sep 29 15:39:08 it's the basic method Sep 29 15:39:11 DocScrutinizer06: it does, and you should use wpa2psk only Sep 29 15:39:19 I know Sep 29 15:39:22 freemangordon: those are the choices that the phone offers... Sep 29 15:39:23 note that some routers call wpa2 wpa Sep 29 15:39:26 freemangordon: not the router. Sep 29 15:39:36 aah Sep 29 15:39:36 The router did not display any preshared keys. Sep 29 15:39:54 pozic: are you sure it is setup correctly? Sep 29 15:40:04 obviously it isn't Sep 29 15:40:05 freemangordon: yes, because it works. Sep 29 15:40:12 hehe Sep 29 15:40:15 WPS? Sep 29 15:40:19 prolly Sep 29 15:40:27 :nod: Sep 29 15:40:35 though I thought N900 definitely has problems with WPS Sep 29 15:40:53 Let me be clear: the phone does not connect currently. Sep 29 15:40:53 worked fine with WPS on mine Sep 29 15:40:54 never ever enable/use WPS Sep 29 15:41:09 I would like it to use WPA2. Sep 29 15:41:17 yeah, WPS is straight from hell Sep 29 15:41:20 What's so special about WPA2? Sep 29 15:41:31 it's secure Sep 29 15:41:33 Does it require a special chip? Sep 29 15:41:43 I.e. why doesn't the N900 support it? Sep 29 15:41:49 it dpoes support it Sep 29 15:41:55 WPA2 was released at N900 release time. Sep 29 15:41:58 pozic: n900 supports it Sep 29 15:42:01 APTX: there is no option to select it. Sep 29 15:42:06 APTX: i.e. no 'WPA2'. Sep 29 15:42:11