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Oct 02 03:54:28 <user_> .
Oct 02 08:25:34 <rantom> Hello
Oct 02 08:26:15 <Cor-Ai> no
Oct 02 08:26:42 <rantom> I was browsing the packages section in maemo.org and came across this
Oct 02 08:26:45 <rantom> http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/cssutransitionstuner/0.2.0/
Oct 02 08:27:17 <rantom> The karma is already over the required one so I have to ask why isn't that package uploaded to the extras?
Oct 02 08:59:32 <Hurrian> package maintainer still has to manually do so
Oct 02 08:59:41 <Hurrian> IIRC auto-promote is not yet implemented
Oct 02 09:06:07 <rantom> Hmm, ok
Oct 02 09:07:40 <rantom> According to his profile in tmo though: http://talk.maemo.org/member.php?u=27954 he's been off since 21.11.2011
Oct 02 09:29:31 <Hurrian> bug X-Fade to promote it
Oct 02 09:38:05 <rantom> Done
Oct 02 09:38:54 <rantom> But thanks for the info. I thought promoting (to extras) was automatic
Oct 02 11:29:32 <grammoboy> is there a way to watch bbc with the n900?
Oct 02 11:51:15 <grammoboy> hm mplayer can't play the webm file form the new blender movie
Oct 02 11:51:25 <grammoboy> mplayer on desktop does
Oct 02 11:52:48 <grammoboy> too old ffmpeg probably
Oct 02 13:38:23 <grammoboy> is it possible to make a custom desktop shortcut?
Oct 02 13:38:32 <grammoboy> also for root?
Oct 02 13:42:58 <andre__> grammoboy, http://wiki.maemo.org/Desktop_file_format
Oct 02 13:43:36 <grammoboy> andre__, ah ok thx
Oct 02 13:43:51 <grammoboy> andre__, is it possible to run a command as root via such a desktop file?
Oct 02 13:43:58 <andre__> why would you need that?
Oct 02 13:44:15 <grammoboy> for umount my sshfs / fuse filesystem
Oct 02 13:45:18 <grammoboy> I play music from my server
Oct 02 13:52:48 <Skry> grammoboy: not exactly a proper solution but have you thought about installing minidlna to your server which would eliminate all sshfs and fuse configuration on client.
Oct 02 13:53:44 <grammoboy> Skry, I bought a qnap ts 209 and like to install debian on it
Oct 02 13:54:04 <grammoboy> Skry, I'm thinking about the best way to play multimedia from the server with my n900
Oct 02 13:54:32 <grammoboy> Skry, till now it is sshfs fuse, but I read also about NFS, dunno what the best solution is
Oct 02 13:55:37 <Skry> grammoboy: well, minidlna is working for me (runs on my desktop and streams music to n900 on wifeys pc) and is lightweight
Oct 02 13:55:50 <Skry> and wifeys pc
Oct 02 13:56:59 <Skry> and you'll get videos too via that :)
Oct 02 13:58:20 <Skry> i prefer that way over nfs/samba because it needs no client side configuration or user intervention
Oct 02 14:00:37 <grammoboy> I've to do more research on that, thx for info
Oct 02 14:01:38 <Skry> you're welcome.
Oct 02 14:59:35 <vi_> spoofy: yo!
Oct 02 14:59:57 <vi_> why did you take down your nmap 6 deb?
Oct 02 15:01:47 <GGon> been using my n900 quite a bit tethered lately
Oct 02 15:01:54 <GGon> mostly because of the keyboard
Oct 02 15:02:36 <kerio> which keyboard?
Oct 02 15:02:38 <kerio> bt or usb?
Oct 02 15:26:57 <kerio> freemangordon: plugins-base-extra is not in any repo, wtf
Oct 02 15:27:29 <spoofy> vi_: couse I need to recompile it again
Oct 02 15:27:35 <spoofy> with working zenmap
Oct 02 15:27:39 <spoofy> and optify it
Oct 02 15:28:12 <spoofy> Now I'm working on ruby1.9.3 and postgres9.2
Oct 02 15:29:18 <spoofy> I'm also making my image of maemo with many scripts. Something like pwniephone
Oct 02 15:29:21 <spoofy> but better ;)
Oct 02 15:29:42 <spoofy> Hope that lastest metasploit will work with ruby1.9.3 and postgres
Oct 02 15:41:09 <vi_> spoofy: any chance you could make the deb available for people who do not care for zenmap?
Oct 02 15:41:12 <vi_> people like me?
Oct 02 15:41:20 <vi_> I will email you a donut.
Oct 02 15:42:08 <entitled> I wanna pizza roll
Oct 02 15:42:19 <vi_> how would that work?
Oct 02 15:42:25 <vi_> It would flop onto its side.
Oct 02 15:43:22 <vi_> cheese side down as well.
Oct 02 15:45:34 <vi_> spoofy: I tried the old address on your server but it was not working.
Oct 02 15:51:33 <kerio> hi dudes
Oct 02 15:52:02 <kerio> is there a good way to autologin to known hot spots that require a login from a browser?
Oct 02 15:52:21 <vi_> kerio: curl
Oct 02 15:52:31 <kerio> no fucking shit
Oct 02 15:52:34 <kerio> *auto*login
Oct 02 15:52:39 <kerio> as in, something with ICD2
Oct 02 15:54:14 <vi_> ICD2 deals with network adapters etc, not stupid html login pages.
Oct 02 15:54:46 <vi_> put a script in /etc/network/if-up.d/50_mynetworks
Oct 02 15:55:10 <kerio> vi_: can i do that only when on a particular SSID?
Oct 02 15:55:17 <vi_> sure
Oct 02 15:55:34 <vi_> I have a script in there that adjust wifi power depending on what network I am on
Oct 02 15:55:39 <kerio> neat
Oct 02 15:55:42 <kerio> pastebin plskthx
Oct 02 15:55:46 <vi_> You could make it do anything.
Oct 02 15:55:52 <vi_> curl for example.
Oct 02 15:56:37 <vi_> google curl wifi login.
Oct 02 15:58:08 <spoofy> vi_: try spoofy@os.pl ;)
Oct 02 15:58:09 <kerio> yeah, yeah
Oct 02 15:58:12 <kerio> i need the glue
Oct 02 15:58:27 <spoofy> vi_: sure - I'll make a .deb without zenmap for you ;)
Oct 02 15:59:36 <spoofy> But first I must reinstall my desktop and sdk so please be patient
Oct 02 16:01:28 <kerio> vi_: srsly, pastebin dat
Oct 02 17:09:05 <DocScrutinizer51> pastebin? :-O this belongs to wiki! 
Oct 02 17:24:03 <sixwheeledbeast> mo
Oct 02 17:27:34 <kerio> vi_: you bitch, pastebin your script
Oct 02 17:27:42 <kerio> it belongs in a museum!
Oct 02 17:46:28 <kerio> DocScrutinizer51: use your council powers to make him pastebin it! :c
Oct 02 17:58:47 <gregoa> kerio: here's something I've been using for a login page: http://paste.debian.net/195406/
Oct 02 17:59:05 <gregoa> kerio: note that this was on debian and called from /etc/network/interfaces
Oct 02 17:59:18 <kerio> goddammit i don't need the login mechanism i need the ifup.d glue
Oct 02 17:59:59 <gregoa> kerio: well, that's left as an exercise for the reader :) [I'd have to look it up myself]
Oct 02 18:02:15 <gregoa> kerio: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch05.en.html#_scripting_with_the_ifupdown_system might help to find the variables passed to the scripts
Oct 02 18:07:21 <grammoboy> does setting off 'power save' improve the internet connnection?
Oct 02 18:07:59 <grammoboy> what is good practice to get reliable internet connection for streaming video at home for instance?
Oct 02 18:10:27 <Lava_Croft> grammoboy: wifi?
Oct 02 18:10:37 <grammoboy> Lava_Croft, yep
Oct 02 18:10:41 <Lava_Croft> i use stock settings
Oct 02 18:10:52 <sixwheeledbeast> kills your battery with power save off. do you have unreliable connection?
Oct 02 18:11:01 <Lava_Croft> yup, it does
Oct 02 18:11:04 <grammoboy> I've turned powersaving up and it seems to improve the streaming
Oct 02 18:11:12 <Lava_Croft> i never found a reason to turn off powersaving
Oct 02 18:11:16 <grammoboy> *down
Oct 02 18:11:40 <Lava_Croft> well, thats logical
Oct 02 18:11:47 <Lava_Croft> power saving degrades performance
Oct 02 18:12:01 * grammoboy looking at a film from nas server
Oct 02 18:12:47 <sixwheeledbeast> can be the router if switching power saving off helps
Oct 02 18:13:45 <grammoboy> what could that be?
Oct 02 18:15:40 <sixwheeledbeast> i have trouble with ssh if power saving is on full on my home router but on another network no probs.
Oct 02 18:15:58 <sixwheeledbeast> http://wiki.maemo.org/Wifi_Power_Saving_Mode_%28PSM%29
Oct 02 18:16:27 <grammoboy> hm
Oct 02 18:17:47 <kerio> is powersaving disabled when on charger?
Oct 02 18:19:48 <grammoboy> it could also  be 10 vs 100W
Oct 02 18:23:13 <grammoboy> hm it still runs smoothly with powersaving on, and 100
Oct 02 18:23:43 <grammoboy> ah now the film stops
Oct 02 18:24:24 <sixwheeledbeast> try Intermediate
Oct 02 18:26:39 <grammoboy> I do
Oct 02 18:30:11 <grammoboy> it might also depend on what you use for the multimedia on the server
Oct 02 18:30:18 * grammoboy sshfs / fuse
Oct 02 18:35:04 <grammoboy> so far so good
Oct 02 18:35:13 <grammoboy> intermediate
Oct 02 19:14:19 <DocScrutinizer05>  PSM basically tells wlan rx how long to sleep until listening for next wakeup call from AP
Oct 02 19:14:44 <DocScrutinizer05> AP sends wakeup calls when there's data to transmit down to the client wlan device
Oct 02 19:15:51 <DocScrutinizer05> on AP side you can sometimes configure whether you want data-pending-msg get sent with each beacon, with every 2nd, every 10th or whatever
Oct 02 19:21:30 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: how is it called in ddwrt?
Oct 02 19:28:31 <DocScrutinizer05> so: 1st set your AP to send at least 10 beacons / second. 2nd set DTIM=1
Oct 02 19:28:36 <DocScrutinizer05> kerio: ^^^
Oct 02 19:28:50 <kerio> i see
Oct 02 19:29:02 <kerio> my DTIM is at 1
Oct 02 19:30:07 <ShadowJK> Would be interesting to plot poweruse vs beacon interval
Oct 02 19:32:58 <SpeedEvil> mm mm.
Oct 02 19:33:05 <SpeedEvil> bacon interval.
Oct 02 19:33:29 <kerio> SpeedEvil: 10 bacons/second
Oct 02 19:33:30 <SpeedEvil> power use at normal intervals is pretty small though
Oct 02 19:33:32 <kerio> *at least*
Oct 02 19:38:22 <grammoboy> could someone hack maetronome and make bpm < 40 possible? 30 is a better starting point
Oct 02 19:40:29 <DocScrutinizer05> well, most critical problem here to test it: reduce real data transfer to 0, so it won't mess up results
Oct 02 19:41:06 <DocScrutinizer05> grammoboy: what sucker hardcoded such lower limit into a metronome?
Oct 02 19:41:28 <grammoboy> dunno
Oct 02 19:41:56 <DocScrutinizer05> hell, when I use a cumputerized metronome, then there's only one lower limit I'd maybe accept: 0.1
Oct 02 19:42:03 <grammoboy> 40 is a common value with 'real' metronomes
Oct 02 19:42:18 <DocScrutinizer05> doesn't matter
Oct 02 19:42:34 <DocScrutinizer05> 5 difits is normal limit of an abacus
Oct 02 19:42:39 <DocScrutinizer05> digits
Oct 02 19:44:14 <grammoboy> agreed
Oct 02 19:44:23 <DocScrutinizer05> sounds like my age old plan to come up with absolutely original slide rule simmulation
Oct 02 19:44:34 <grammoboy> hm you can fiddle with the signature
Oct 02 19:44:54 <DocScrutinizer05> anyway, is it qt?
Oct 02 19:45:28 <DocScrutinizer05> if it is, then odds are the limit is in qt widget and changeable without a single line of patched code
Oct 02 19:45:56 <grammoboy> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=42420
Oct 02 19:46:35 <DocScrutinizer05> just start qt-designer on the qt GUI of your metronome, check the dial for bpm, and check the lower limit in there. Change it from 40 to 1 and recompile
Oct 02 19:53:39 <grammoboy> maybe later
Oct 02 19:59:15 <sixwheeledbeast> Can anyone help me setup Maemo5 targets in the latest QTSDK?
Oct 02 20:05:39 <sixwheeledbeast> found them 
Oct 02 20:07:23 <kerio> you're welcome!
Oct 02 20:07:42 <sixwheeledbeast> ta
Oct 02 20:39:00 <vi__> is there a simple method of determining how many minutes of telephone you have used in the month?
Oct 02 20:39:24 <kerio> sure
Oct 02 20:39:28 <kerio> don't talk
Oct 02 20:39:40 <kerio> you'll then have used 0 minutes
Oct 02 20:40:45 <vi__> oh your hillarious.
Oct 02 20:40:50 <vi__> no wait.
Oct 02 20:40:54 <vi__> the other one.
Oct 02 20:40:57 <vi__> droll
Oct 02 20:41:02 <vi__> droll as fuck.
Oct 02 20:42:35 <ShadowJK> also how many minutes at each tariff
Oct 02 20:43:33 <vi__> ShadowJK: I mean like the gprs data counter.
Oct 02 22:18:46 <ShadowJK> the gprs data counter also doesn't let you calculate cost when there's minimum charge per use :/
Oct 02 22:21:59 <ShadowJK> wait, the gprs counters arent per month either?
Oct 02 22:22:55 <ShadowJK> manual reset like the call timers
Oct 02 22:41:35 <DocScrutinizer05> or per autodetected notification SMS from your carrier
Oct 02 22:42:42 <DocScrutinizer05> (another point on my nice-to-have maybe-todo list)
Oct 02 23:11:20 <teotwaki_> DocScrutinizer05: ping
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