**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Oct 03 02:59:59 2012 Oct 03 04:31:42 Hey.. could anyone here explain why my nokia n900 won't upgrade correctly? apt-get upgrade = apt "upgrades" (every time) and there are 6 not upgraded packages. Oct 03 04:32:11 The following packages have been kept back: libcurl3 libgcc1 libsdl-mixer1.2 libstdc++6 Oct 03 04:32:21 The following packages will be upgraded: apt Oct 03 04:32:22 1 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 6 not upgraded. Oct 03 04:34:36 http://ix.io/35u Oct 03 04:35:08 ^_^ ssh apt-get dist-upgrade # Why this fail?? and apt-get upgrade # No fail but won't continue to do the rest nor stop "updating" apt. Oct 03 04:47:41 apt-get upgrade and dist-upgrade usually mess up things Oct 03 04:48:57 What todo then? Oct 03 04:51:32 dont use apt-get upgrade or dist-upgrade Oct 03 04:53:18 I'm surprised system wasnt blown away into unbootable state rightaway :P Oct 03 04:57:20 Hello Oct 03 04:57:26 (?) Oct 03 04:58:30 How do I transfer files into /opt on my n900? Oct 03 04:58:35 I can't find it Oct 03 04:59:33 okay.. Oct 03 04:59:41 so I got opt open in my terminal Oct 03 04:59:57 but need to transfer files into a subdir Oct 03 05:00:03 preferably with a gui Oct 03 05:00:08 please someone be not dead Oct 03 05:00:39 I don't know of a gui, system directories aren't visible in maemo guis Oct 03 05:00:53 presumably so you dont do anything silly Oct 03 05:01:13 Aha Oct 03 05:01:13 man cp Oct 03 05:01:20 oh, no man pages Oct 03 05:01:21 I can cp just fine Oct 03 05:01:32 But I'm lazy Oct 03 05:01:45 and if for in the furure I can make them availiable it would be nice Oct 03 05:01:54 Any way around that? Oct 03 05:02:05 just being sarcastic about missing man-pages in maemo Oct 03 05:02:36 Where could I drop the files to transfer from Oct 03 05:02:51 is /home the same as te viewable root Oct 03 05:02:56 the* Oct 03 05:03:18 /home/user/MyDocs/ is what gets exported over usb Oct 03 05:03:31 Okay. Oct 03 05:03:54 I need to copy a directory and a file to /opt Oct 03 05:04:06 Two seperate cp's? Oct 03 05:04:16 Or just space between them, or what Oct 03 05:05:02 if you want a gui, openssh on n900 and filezilla on a pc could work if you've got wifi lan Oct 03 05:05:17 I do. Oct 03 05:05:38 Openssh Oct 03 05:05:40 Sounds complicated Oct 03 05:05:48 whats my cp command need to be? Oct 03 05:06:04 home/user/MyDocs/file cp /opt Oct 03 05:06:13 and then again but with the other directory Oct 03 05:06:17 cp goes first Oct 03 05:06:17 is all, right? Oct 03 05:06:22 oh right Oct 03 05:06:27 and cp -r for directory Oct 03 05:06:29 Any reason I can't get my sd card to mount on my n900? Oct 03 05:06:36 doesn't show up in blkid Oct 03 05:06:56 so: cp -r directory directory and then for the file: cp file directory Oct 03 05:06:58 if your back cover on? Oct 03 05:07:10 narwalrus; yes.. Oct 03 05:07:19 Will do.. thanks Oct 03 05:07:46 By the way, just trying to put cavestory on here haha.. Oct 03 05:08:22 archeyDevil; there's a little magnet in the back cover. when you remove back cover, sd is unmounted and unaccesible. Also if the magnet is lost it wont notice if back cover is on Oct 03 05:11:57 heh, it'd make more sense for cavesory to access data files in Mydocs, and easier for users, but i guess author didnt think that far :/ Oct 03 05:13:00 * ShadowJK sleeps Oct 03 05:14:52 It's a port of course... Oct 03 05:15:00 By a user Oct 03 05:15:06 And it works I suppose Oct 03 05:15:30 I gotta restart and go back to windows to run the patcher before I transfer Oct 03 05:15:33 so cya Oct 03 05:17:55 archeyDevil; if you're a linux poweruser type person, beware that although it looks like debian, it doesnt always behave like debian. examples; /etc/fstab does nothing, apt-get can be dangerous for some things, initscripts are run by busybox, a single typo if you edit them usually results in device rebooting on boot. Oct 03 05:20:23 (and dont try change default shell away from busybox) Oct 03 05:20:40 >don't try to change the default shell away from busybox Oct 03 05:20:41 why? Oct 03 05:20:46 it works fine Oct 03 05:23:18 maybe it was on diablo that it blows up Oct 03 05:23:45 i mean, there's no reason scripts should blow up Oct 03 05:23:49 they start with "#!/bin/sh" Oct 03 05:23:53 aka run with /bin/sh Oct 03 05:24:22 you might have a problem if bash isn't in /etc/shells Oct 03 05:24:32 because sometimes you can only login if your login shell is listed there Oct 03 05:24:36 so... list it Oct 03 05:24:46 ...i mean, put it there Oct 03 06:00:03 "can't cd to bin" Oct 03 06:00:18 So I got it running, but now I need to fix the shortcut Oct 03 06:00:29 Which is in bin Oct 03 06:00:34 Help? Oct 03 06:04:51 what bin? you mean /bin ? Oct 03 06:05:19 or perhaps /usr/bin ? Oct 03 06:07:38 /bin Oct 03 06:08:12 So do I need to ssh/ftp to it? Oct 03 06:08:27 cd /bin gives you that error? you have rights to enter it? Oct 03 06:09:00 I'm su in the terminal session Oct 03 06:09:27 Seems odd Oct 03 06:09:36 very Oct 03 06:10:06 " /hom # cd bin Oct 03 06:10:22 /bin/sh: cd: can't cd to bin Oct 03 06:10:35 cd /bin Oct 03 06:10:52 ohhhhh.... Oct 03 06:10:54 that worked Oct 03 06:10:55 :P Oct 03 06:10:57 Thanks Oct 03 06:11:08 np Oct 03 06:11:42 cd bin tries to enter directory named bin in current dir Oct 03 06:14:32 btw Oct 03 06:14:48 Realized O have a french keyboard n900 today Oct 03 06:14:55 I* Oct 03 06:15:17 also Oct 03 06:15:25 :wq exits and saves vi right? Oct 03 06:15:34 yes Oct 03 06:16:20 Okay... Oct 03 06:16:24 I need an ampersand Oct 03 06:16:30 and my keyboard doesnt have one Oct 03 06:16:35 interent? Oct 03 06:16:41 find one and copy it? Oct 03 06:18:05 teotwaki: pong Oct 03 06:29:24 ShadowJK: kerio: nope, the busybox dependencies in initscripts (or rather, xsession or whatever starts processes under user, for desktop) are quite well known for early fremantle Oct 03 06:30:23 that's what our bitching e*_ friend never really decoded when I explained why changing busybox to busybox power might be dangerous Oct 03 06:31:02 I never talked about friggin "3rd party scripts", what a nonsense Oct 03 06:33:02 it been hildon-desktop itself that didn't boot when you changed user's default shell (plus unix-tools) from messybox to bash+proper, and that caused a bootloop thanks dsme, and users doing this change of user's default shell had to reflash Oct 03 06:37:12 iirc we even once had traced the problem down to a particular cmd that behaved non-posix'ish in messybox and the script depended on that behaviour. Can't recall whether it been ls, ps, or sth completely different Oct 03 06:41:08 anyway I think bash worked fine as long as you didn't replace that particular messybox provided unix-tool by its original, and bash and unix-tools ever worked great for user:"root" and initscripts, it's always been user:"user" and X startup that failed Oct 03 06:52:30 sometimes i just wonder how nokia managed to make maemo such an abomination :\ Oct 03 06:53:46 sure hildon desktop is very nice to use, looks and behaves good but internally its just.. well, that. Oct 03 06:54:23 Skry: how is kernel 3.4 going? Oct 03 06:56:43 freemangordon: 3.5.4 is running steady, bumped into some problems with 3.6, I'm about to upload 3.5 to my arch repo today once i get it packaged Oct 03 06:58:03 good, so we can expect maemo5 with 3.5.4 by the end of the month? :P Oct 03 07:02:51 freemangordon: high hopes! :D seriously speakin, I'll try and see what happens when I get charging and sgx done and I already have modem patches for 3.x waiting for love. Oct 03 07:03:24 happens when I try to boot to maemo that is Oct 03 07:03:56 Skry: did bqxxx and rx51_battery patches from Pali apply to your tree? Oct 03 07:04:13 or you didn't try them? Oct 03 07:04:33 as if those apply, charging should work OOB Oct 03 07:04:52 freemangordon: I tried only bq patch but it didnt quite work out Oct 03 07:05:17 :( . strange, IIRC Pali prepared it for upstreaming Oct 03 07:05:46 it detects charger ok, sysfs shows its charging but in reality it does not charge Oct 03 07:06:15 bq_battery would not enable charging, you need bq_charger Oct 03 07:06:53 bq24??_charger from git is the one i used Oct 03 07:07:25 hmm, it should work, how did you check if it is charging or not? Oct 03 07:07:30 the one which requires patch against isp1704 which is quite unorthodox especially when there is charger_manager around Oct 03 07:07:55 i checked it from bq27x00_battery Oct 03 07:08:12 the current? it should be negative when charging Oct 03 07:08:44 it shows discharging, and all the readings lower normally Oct 03 07:09:20 Skry: did you remember if current was positive or negative? Oct 03 07:09:41 I think it was positive Oct 03 07:09:54 well, that is very strange Oct 03 07:10:31 bqxxx_charger works ok with stock kernel, I don't see a reason why it would not work with 3.5 Oct 03 07:11:04 anyhow, manually charging with joergs script works (and gets reported by bq27x00) so I think I'll adapt it to work with udev which should be enough for now Oct 03 07:11:10 maybe you can ask Pali for some help, he should know the code pretty well Oct 03 07:11:35 I already did Oct 03 07:12:44 Skry: BTW I don't think sgx is of that much importance, most of the benchmarks say that 2D SW rendering is faster than OGL on sgx530 (IIRC) Oct 03 07:13:56 and I think it was aapo who built and tested hidon-desktop without OGL acceleration. though can't remember what was the outcome :D Oct 03 07:14:08 noticed that one too, I did a quick and dirty hack to fbdev-sgx and got it running, very slowly. Oct 03 07:14:45 slowly as in? Oct 03 07:15:10 because lxde in ubuntu is very fast Oct 03 07:15:42 hi Pali Oct 03 07:15:50 slower than regular fbdev. i also noticed those /* render acceleration is slow and unstable, enable if you dare */ comments in fbdev-sgx source Oct 03 07:16:00 Skry: and by very fast, I mean as fast as on my desktop Oct 03 07:16:07 enlightenment is also very fast on fbdev Oct 03 07:16:07 aaah Oct 03 07:16:18 ohai Skry. Oct 03 07:16:23 well, then why do you need 2D accel? Oct 03 07:16:33 because :) Oct 03 07:16:37 after all sgx is 3D acceleratior :P Oct 03 07:16:38 Hurrian: hi Oct 03 07:17:17 Skry, so if I have the details right, the current fbdev is OMAP? Oct 03 07:17:23 *the built in one on the OMAP? Oct 03 07:17:41 freemangordon: most ideal would be if someone could hack xv into xf86-video-modesetting so omapdrm would be usable Oct 03 07:17:48 freemangordon, hi Oct 03 07:18:03 Hurrian: fbdev is fbdev :) Oct 03 07:19:08 2D acceleration wouldn't really provide a perf boost, but it is a stepping stone to 3D. Oct 03 07:19:15 Hurrian: it should be, but for some reason Skry wants omapdrm, not omaplfb :D Oct 03 07:19:38 (fbdev) Oct 03 07:19:57 i dont necessarily want, I prefer : Oct 03 07:19:58 ) Oct 03 07:20:07 :P Oct 03 07:20:40 but you don;t have x driver for it AIUI Oct 03 07:20:58 freemangordon, KMS and DRM being the two biggest reasons Oct 03 07:21:28 do we really need KMS on n900? Oct 03 07:22:41 uhh, it makes the 30 seconds you look at Plymouth nice and shiny Oct 03 07:22:47 and iirc it's needed for Wayland Oct 03 07:22:49 freemangordon: there is unaccelerated modeset driver for x, and there is the "official" driver with hardware acceleration but a) it does not work on n900 (it has software rendering too) for some reason and b) it relies on closed source libs which are currently omap4 only Oct 03 07:22:55 both of which we don't need right now, but are neat Oct 03 07:23:27 Skry: isn't it possible to forward-port sgx from meego n900 HW adaptation and use closed blobg from meego? Oct 03 07:23:37 *blobs Oct 03 07:23:48 Hurrian: stskeeps has had wayland running on n900 framebuffer Oct 03 07:24:17 those are v1.4 for omap3 soft or hardfp Oct 03 07:24:21 iirc Skry's kernel uses the newest OMAP SGX code Oct 03 07:25:19 yes, but it seems usermode blobs does not work as they are for omap4 Oct 03 07:25:24 if I get it right Oct 03 07:25:39 that's correct. Oct 03 07:25:54 freemangordon: i already have 3d working with latest ti drivers on framebuffer, and the fbdev-sgx i mentioned is from meego/mer Oct 03 07:26:33 working == tests pass :P Oct 03 07:27:02 hmm, you don;t really need 2D through SGX, you want it through framebuffer, trust me on that Oct 03 07:27:24 video overlays won't work with sgx Oct 03 07:27:52 Skry: i played a lot with this back in times i was doing 720p Oct 03 07:28:29 not to mention stuff like DMA to fb, etc Oct 03 07:28:53 and iirc sgx does some SW resizing/ color space conversions Oct 03 07:29:16 freemangordon, the "DSS2" ? Oct 03 07:29:35 yes, that is what we want Oct 03 07:29:44 hmm, maybe I'll leave that then for now then Oct 03 07:29:59 you better leave it forever Oct 03 07:30:05 it gains nothing Oct 03 07:30:30 Hurrian: you may try sgx drive in maemo5 too Oct 03 07:31:01 freemangordon, getting GLES2 working in 3.5 and newer would be nice Oct 03 07:31:01 by building a simple gstreamer pipeline, and choosing device=1 for xvideosink Oct 03 07:31:14 but AIUI this one works Oct 03 07:31:45 Skry: is trying to enable sgx X driver, not ogl acceleration Oct 03 07:32:07 yeah, ogl already works Oct 03 07:32:12 sorta Oct 03 07:33:48 anyways, there is new version of the drivers coming from ti which should have big improvements Oct 03 07:34:01 for aomp3? Oct 03 07:34:06 *omap Oct 03 07:34:30 Skry: BTW I have about 8-10 different SGX SDK versions Oct 03 07:34:39 (install packages that is) Oct 03 07:35:20 i understood that omap3 support would a matter of getting someone from ti to compile those drivers Oct 03 07:35:25 would be Oct 03 07:36:25 but we'll see how it turns out Oct 03 07:37:24 IMO that sdk is unbelievable crap Oct 03 07:37:27 Skry: no matter the drivers, I don't think there is a way HW 2D rendering to be faster that SW. And you still have the problems with gfx/ovl Oct 03 07:38:43 an example: you know how mediaplayer overlays buttons over the video. it is gfx DSS2 plane that is used for those buttons Oct 03 07:38:51 you can use opengl for video rendering, but it's going to consume a lot more electricity than using overlays Oct 03 07:38:57 and avl1 or 2 is used for the video Oct 03 07:39:06 *ovl1 Oct 03 07:39:24 sgx driver uses gfx layer for vide Oct 03 07:39:27 o Oct 03 07:39:46 flux: :nod: Oct 03 07:40:26 Skry: so there is no way to show such buttons in HW Oct 03 07:40:41 AFAIK Oct 03 07:41:49 damn it, there is gotta be even some use of that pos chip, I've wasted so many hours with it :D Oct 03 07:42:31 Skry: sgx530? use it for what it is supposed to be used - 3D accel :P Oct 03 07:43:14 and use DSS2 for 2D/video/TV out, etc Oct 03 07:43:29 DocScrutinizer05: wanted to pick your brain regarding phone unlocking (not Nokia phones). Do you have any knowledge? Oct 03 07:43:40 (in that area... I know you have knowledge otherwise :P) Oct 03 07:45:19 teotwaki: what kind of phone is it? Oct 03 07:48:22 freemangordon: meh, I guess you're right. I started playing with omapdrm in hopes for wayland, then I found out that wayland can run on framebuffer (mer guys are doing it on n900 already), and somehow i got stuck in a loop and started this hassle with all these drivers :S Oct 03 07:51:17 Skry: I am :P. Imagine if you want a video to be played decoding with DSP using DMA to framebuffer and HW rescaler. No way to achieve that with SGX Oct 03 07:53:22 or capturing a video with ISP doing DMA to fb, thus avoiding 2 memcpys per frame for preview vindow Oct 03 07:53:38 etc, etc Oct 03 07:54:31 deepy: blackberry. Oct 03 07:54:57 freemangordon: yeah, i get you. btw have you noticed that there is video scaler for dsp available from ti? Oct 03 07:55:04 I see a lot of sites that offer to give me unlock codes for 10 quid or so, so I'm thinking: Where the hell did they get the algorithm to calculate said unlock code... Oct 03 07:55:11 Skry: VPP? :P Oct 03 07:55:28 is is not only a rescaler ;) Oct 03 07:55:55 it can do crop/color space conv too. Oct 03 07:57:15 though ysing VPP is not a good idea while capturing HD video. BTW if we manage to run newer kernel with maemo5 I will show you some magic by using ISP rescaler :D Oct 03 07:57:25 everything in HW Oct 03 07:57:48 damn, gotta start working then :D Oct 03 07:58:22 Skry: yeah, I am 99% sure I can output HW downsampled HD on TV out Oct 03 07:58:47 why arent you already doing so? :) Oct 03 07:59:14 because there were some probles in stock kernel IIRC Oct 03 07:59:28 and DSS just cannot downscalle 720p to PAL/NTSC Oct 03 07:59:53 anyway, I got to go, bbl Oct 03 08:00:00 seeya Oct 03 08:54:37 teotwaki: dont buy online codes. Oct 03 08:54:52 Your best bet is to take it to a phone chop-shop. Oct 03 08:55:24 kerio: ping Oct 03 08:55:50 vi_: but even then, I don't see why I should pay for it... Oct 03 08:56:04 vi_: and phone chop shops in France aren't all that popular, to be honest. Oct 03 08:56:12 for unlocking your phone? Oct 03 08:56:23 did you buy this phone 2nd hand? Oct 03 08:56:31 Was given to me. Oct 03 08:56:41 I'd like to unlock it so I can use it as a backup. Oct 03 08:56:42 do you know the giver well? Oct 03 08:56:48 He's my CEO :) Oct 03 08:56:53 good. Oct 03 08:57:04 But it wasn't his. Oct 03 08:57:12 bad. Oct 03 08:57:47 Anyway, I know I can just go to a local shop and have it unlocked. Oct 03 08:58:07 But if there are a bazillion websites that are able to generate the code for me, if I pay them good money. Oct 03 08:58:15 Although, if you pay for an online code with a credit card and it fails you can always just do a chargeback. Oct 03 08:58:19 Surely I should be able to find the same resources they've used to create the generators in the first place. Oct 03 08:58:28 teotwaki: ha. Oct 03 08:58:49 teotwaki: The resources that go into that are organised crime and industrial espionage. Oct 03 08:58:51 those codes come from who knows where. Oct 03 08:59:05 even the unlocker boxes used by chop shops need those codes Oct 03 08:59:19 Not really. Oct 03 08:59:30 for newer phones, that is. Oct 03 08:59:41 You will not find an un-passworded git server with NOKIA_DCT-8_BBL-5_KEYGAN.c Oct 03 09:00:10 Basically, the phone has a MEP code and its IMEI. Only those two pieces of information are required to compute the new MEP code. Oct 03 09:00:32 teotwaki: correct, possibly also some manufacturer keys. Oct 03 09:00:36 vi_: why nokia dct8? Oct 03 09:00:39 for the salting! Oct 03 09:00:49 dct8-first I could think of. Oct 03 09:01:01 dct8=3110 (i think) Oct 03 09:10:03 FlameReaper: those are some nicknames. Oct 03 09:10:27 How do you reap flames, though? Oct 03 09:10:57 Do you use a water scythe? Oct 03 09:10:58 by previously sowing said flames. Oct 03 09:11:15 * teotwaki checks spelling on scythe, doesn't look right. Oct 03 09:11:26 checks out. Oct 03 09:11:28 scythe is correct iirc Oct 03 09:11:37 indeed. Oct 03 09:16:13 teotwaki: I have no idea, it just happened. Oct 03 09:16:35 You have no idea how you reaped them flames? Oct 03 09:16:45 Tough. Oct 03 09:16:56 ... Umm... magic? Oct 03 09:16:57 :P Oct 03 09:18:20 kerio: Oct 03 09:18:22 kerio: ping Oct 03 09:45:28 I want to run rm -rf ~/.claws-mail/imapcache Oct 03 09:45:32 every day Oct 03 09:46:02 can I make a script for startup, which sleeps for two days and then run the command again Oct 03 09:46:16 the script should run always in the background Oct 03 09:46:19 grammoboy: cron? Oct 03 09:46:32 teotwaki, that works on n900? Oct 03 09:47:45 grammoboy: yeah Oct 03 09:47:54 grammoboy: otherwise there's also Alarmed (alarmd). Oct 03 09:47:54 ok Oct 03 09:48:49 alarmd is a recommended app indeed Oct 03 09:57:48 ShadowJK: There is a magnet? Oct 03 10:03:58 Oh, magnet in the back clip. Sensor to see if it's there? Nice Oct 03 10:04:09 Nokia-N900:~# blkid Oct 03 10:04:09 /dev/mmcblk1p1: SEC_TYPE="msdos" UUID="3738-3739" TYPE="vfat" Oct 03 10:04:15 That entry doesn't exist anymore btw Oct 03 10:04:22 Was there before. Oct 03 10:09:37 Nokia-N900:/mnt# mount /dev/mmcblk1p1 /mnt/sdcard Oct 03 10:09:38 mount: mounting /dev/mmcblk1p1 on /mnt/sdcard failed: Invalid argument Oct 03 10:09:45 Whats wrong with that command? O.o Oct 03 10:09:54 And blkid doesn't find it ... Oct 03 10:10:43 fixed Oct 03 10:10:58 err. blkid only fixed. (re-mkfs) Oct 03 10:11:18 got it -t ext2 # wow; this is old xD Oct 03 10:19:02 avoid cron, use alarmd Oct 03 10:19:38 alarmd is running all the time anyway, no need to add an extra thing running in the background. Oct 03 10:20:45 k Oct 03 10:21:02 grammoboy: there is even a nice frontend called alarmed Oct 03 10:21:15 I just installed it Oct 03 10:21:18 seems to work ok Oct 03 10:21:19 it accepts cron style frequency settings. Oct 03 10:22:25 I use it to run a radio alarm script. Oct 03 11:08:21 wtf is stdcam_replacer? Oct 03 11:18:11 standard camera replacer? Oct 03 11:20:21 obviously, but what does it do? Oct 03 11:20:52 My guess, allow you to switch between front/normal camera? Oct 03 11:20:59 Assuming they come up as the same /dev Oct 03 11:28:03 no, they come up as different /dev/*, and a muxer routes OMAP video capture bus to the one that's opened opened Oct 03 11:28:33 teotwaki: I couldn't add any info re unlock to what others said here Oct 03 11:29:05 I think the whole scene is a proper example of commercializing a hack Oct 03 11:33:39 or they even use genuine service tools and software Oct 03 11:33:44 error: duplicated database entry 'kmod' Oct 03 11:33:53 pacman ^_^ How to remove this error?? Oct 03 11:33:58 It's for lots of others too Oct 03 11:35:12 pacman-mirrorlist linux-headers-omap coreutils ppp pacman util-linux libedit inetutils kmod linux-omap man-db initscripts cracklib mkinitcpio-busybox procps-ng openssh dhcpcd filesystem binutils tzdata libarchive syslog-ng libpipeline sysvinit hwids pinentry less pacman-mirrorlist linux-headers-omap coreutils ppp Oct 03 11:36:27 archeyDevil: don't you think you should share a tad more of background info so anybody could guess what you're doing? Oct 03 11:36:48 I'm installing archlinux arm on an sd card on my Nokia N900 Oct 03 11:37:04 http://dismantle-it.blogspot.com.au/2011/12/install-arch-linux-on-nokia-n900.html -- Following this Oct 03 11:38:32 I'm skipping the udev/watchdog parts cause I've got systemd Oct 03 11:40:42 My phone is frozen ^_^ Oct 03 11:40:45 lol Oct 03 11:42:12 * ShadowJK recommends ext3 instead of ext2 Oct 03 11:42:35 also: echo 4096 > /sys/block/mmcblk0/queue/nr_request Oct 03 11:42:37 umm Oct 03 11:42:39 WTF? Oct 03 11:42:42 (and mmcblk1) Oct 03 11:42:43 I installed multiboot... Oct 03 11:42:47 Press a to boot. Oct 03 11:42:56 It's got no options!! Oct 03 11:43:07 did you use apt-get? Oct 03 11:43:16 Yea? Oct 03 11:43:18 wait no Oct 03 11:43:21 I used the app manager Oct 03 11:44:25 Anyone here using multiboot? Oct 03 11:44:33 Cause it's not letting me use my phone.. Oct 03 11:44:39 ~maemo-multiboot Oct 03 11:44:39 [maemo-multiboot] deprecated, and a horrible hack. PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED Oct 03 11:45:02 You serious? Oct 03 11:45:31 yes, absolutely Oct 03 11:45:47 it is *FLASHING* new kernel during boottime Oct 03 11:45:50 Recovery option? Oct 03 11:46:01 reflash if it's broken Oct 03 11:46:09 don't use it Oct 03 11:46:17 Can't recover from this? Oct 03 11:46:19 archeyDevil: u-boot is what you want to use for different os-es;) Oct 03 11:46:30 * ShadowJK wonders if it does normal boot with keypad closed Oct 03 11:46:57 ShadowJK: trying Oct 03 11:47:09 Possible to bipass it? Oct 03 11:47:24 ShadowJK: how could it? as mentioned above it _flashes_ your kernel (almost?) every boot Oct 03 11:47:27 would flashing both kernel and rootfs solve the issue? Oct 03 11:48:02 freemangordon: that's what ~maemo-multiboot says Oct 03 11:48:05 It's booting :D Oct 03 11:48:14 I think.. Oct 03 11:48:20 No? Oct 03 11:48:26 DocScrutinizer05: sorry, I didn;t see it initially :) Oct 03 11:48:28 It had the booting / loading dots ... Oct 03 11:48:54 How to reflash? Oct 03 11:48:59 ~flash Oct 03 11:49:00 extra, extra, read all about it, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Oct 03 11:49:05 :D:D:D Oct 03 11:51:43 How to reflash??? Oct 03 11:51:49 It doesn't give me the instruction? Oct 03 11:51:53 archeyDevil: if you want a duabboot setup for maemo/$arbitrary-other-os_native(not chroot or whatever), you want to investigate how MER / MEEGO did it Oct 03 11:52:16 Just want my maemo back for now Oct 03 11:52:22 archeyDevil: you got IRC connectivity issues? Oct 03 11:52:26 see ^^^ Oct 03 11:52:28 ~flash Oct 03 11:52:30 it has been said that maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Oct 03 11:52:40 I see it Oct 03 11:52:41 But how? Oct 03 11:52:59 MAKE SURE YOU KNOW YOUR LOCK CODE (default: 12345) There has been at least one report where a device started to ask for lock code after reflashing! Oct 03 11:53:05 * archeyDevil never knew the lock code .. Oct 03 11:53:07 (second hand) Oct 03 11:53:09 HOW? click that link, it's supposed to open a website in your browser Oct 03 11:53:54 No.. I mean, isn't there a few buttons to hold down to reflash back to factory default? Oct 03 11:53:57 * archeyDevil has done it before Oct 03 11:54:21 archeyDevil: usually your lockcode is default if you never touched it. Also a complete flash of VANILLA *and* COMBINED inmages shall reset lockcode afaik Oct 03 11:54:53 archeyDevil; no, there's no copy of the initial install on device Oct 03 11:55:03 Hmm... Oct 03 12:03:22 what database is used by conversations? Oct 03 12:04:59 sqllite3? Oct 03 12:06:02 freemangordon, yes Oct 03 12:06:20 Pali: and who uses libdb then? Oct 03 12:06:36 I do not know Oct 03 12:07:02 2 years ago I wrote program which convert conversations logs to Kopete format Oct 03 12:07:12 and I used sqlite qt plugin Oct 03 12:09:46 Do I have to unlock the boot loader or anything? Oct 03 12:11:26 DocScrutinizer05: do you have an idea what uses Berkeley database? Oct 03 12:12:15 contacts? Oct 03 12:12:32 aah, yes. thanks. Oct 03 12:12:36 yw Oct 03 12:13:02 While my nokia is bricked.... Oct 03 12:13:08 Should I install uboot? Oct 03 12:13:09 xD Oct 03 12:13:31 DocScrutinizer05: ^ Oct 03 12:13:32 seems uBoot is a rather nice thing to install, if you're feeling like a hacker Oct 03 12:13:53 Okay.. tutorial hunting time ^_^ Oct 03 12:13:55 it's "The Right Way [TM]" Oct 03 12:14:16 You will need a 4 GB microSD card or bigger. You may also see "MMC", which is basically the same thing as the microSD card. Oct 03 12:14:19 Fail already Oct 03 12:14:27 No > 2G sd :/ Oct 03 12:14:33 hmm Oct 03 12:15:28 http://www.amazon.de/SanDisk-GSM-micro-original-Handelsverpackung/dp/B000Q8623U four euro Oct 03 12:15:33 five even Oct 03 12:15:46 DocScrutinizer05: any idea how to test sqlite3/BDB speed? Oct 03 12:15:47 need to unbrick my phone first :/ Oct 03 12:15:57 ShadowJK: echo 4096 > /sys/block/mmcblk0/queue/nr_requests Oct 03 12:16:04 Rationale for this pls. Oct 03 12:16:13 you can't unbrick and install uBoot same pass Oct 03 12:16:14 vi_: 4096 is way too much Oct 03 12:16:31 freemangordon: shadowjk suggested it. Oct 03 12:16:36 aah Oct 03 12:16:40 I want to know why. Oct 03 12:16:45 i see Oct 03 12:16:47 vi_, so that it gets all the chance it can get to reorder writes Oct 03 12:16:50 and it seems to work (with 4096) Oct 03 12:16:50 Why such a value. Oct 03 12:17:15 ShadowJK: but UI responsiveness is affected by such a high value Oct 03 12:17:24 ShadowJK: increasing the liklyhood of sequantial write? Oct 03 12:17:28 evidently? Oct 03 12:17:31 I'd say that UI responsiveness is affected more by the default value Oct 03 12:17:37 agree Oct 03 12:17:57 Anyway, I'd say 1024 would be the minimum you'd want? Oct 03 12:18:01 but 1024 or even 512 fits much better at a cost of slightly reduced write speed Oct 03 12:18:14 i use 512 Oct 03 12:18:30 dont look at me, I use compcache! Oct 03 12:18:40 * DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders how everybody pulling numbers and assumptions outa his a*** Oct 03 12:18:40 it is 512 IIRC Oct 03 12:19:07 could we solve this debate the scientific way, please? Oct 03 12:19:11 1024 is 4M/4k, 4M block size on flash, and random writes mostly being 4k Oct 03 12:19:18 DocScrutinizer05: empirical testing. Oct 03 12:19:18 yeah, like that Oct 03 12:19:24 ShadowJK: ^^^ Oct 03 12:19:36 DocScrutinizer05: I found that 512 by using transmission for stress-testing (as I already said) Oct 03 12:19:50 :nod: Oct 03 12:20:06 ~flash Oct 03 12:20:07 somebody said maemo-flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Oct 03 12:20:20 transmittion is the ultimate "on your knees" tool for n900 :D Oct 03 12:20:43 something is totally broken intransmission. Oct 03 12:20:45 Already a cp from MyDocs to usd seems challenging with the default settings :) Oct 03 12:20:48 rtorrent works fine. Oct 03 12:20:53 fair enough, scientific enough :-D Oct 03 12:21:05 :D Oct 03 12:21:25 though 1024 might fit better for day-to-day use Oct 03 12:22:06 DocScrutinizer05: I am not sure we can find a better approach having in mind customies swap subsystem we have on n900 Oct 03 12:22:12 Lol archuserrepos. flasher is there :P Oct 03 12:22:15 *customised Oct 03 12:22:32 Blah Oct 03 12:22:33 in my theoretical approach, a high number of cueue entries has advantage of better serializing the writes; disadvantage of each pending write eating - yet to be determined - ammount of RAM for cueue entry AND buffers Oct 03 12:22:34 lib32 -.- Oct 03 12:23:11 crap Oct 03 12:23:18 DocScrutinizer05: iirc queue is emptied on queuesize bursts Oct 03 12:23:57 nope, probably it's also emptied on timeout and other stuff Oct 03 12:24:00 (sync) Oct 03 12:24:02 wtf keeps resaurecting modest after I kill it? Oct 03 12:24:08 dsme Oct 03 12:24:12 * ShadowJK <3 customized swap subsystem Oct 03 12:24:36 yeha Oct 03 12:25:12 On diablo I have a queue size of 8, iirc. Because the scheduling is so bad, swap algo is so bad, the latency gets out of hand pretty badly with anything bigger. Oct 03 12:26:25 btw a very important parameter is page-cluster Oct 03 12:26:40 It seems to mostly only make a difference for reads Oct 03 12:26:53 there's quite a number of very important parameters Oct 03 12:26:54 page-cluster? Oct 03 12:26:56 yeah Oct 03 12:27:01 http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/MeeGo-to-return-next-month-with-Jolla-phone-launch-1722465.html Oct 03 12:27:13 W*T*F Oct 03 12:27:15 hmm, not sure,lemme ask google Oct 03 12:27:21 On Diablo I don't get any less swap fragmentation with higher page-clusters Oct 03 12:28:12 And fremantle is "fragmentation resistent" anyways, though increasing page-cluster does change the amount of bytes *read* from swap noticeably Oct 03 12:29:18 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/10/03/nokia_hq_espoo_sell_off/ <-- bye bye nokia was nice knowing you Oct 03 12:29:19 On my desktop I have page-cluster 8 or 9 or something silly like that, it dramatically speeds up wakeup from hibernate Oct 03 12:30:33 Problem... Oct 03 12:30:47 * archeyDevil can't compile to install lib32-libusb-compat to get flasher to work on my desktop.. Oct 03 12:33:43 * archeyDevil has grabbed a windows box.... (sigh) Oct 03 12:34:17 freemangordon: are you CERTAIN modest is kept alive by dsme? Oct 03 12:34:28 or you could get a ubuntu livecd/usb ;) Oct 03 12:34:55 archeyDevil: windoze not recommended for flasher Oct 03 12:35:04 :/ Oct 03 12:35:10 Will boot ubuntu live? Oct 03 12:35:28 archeyDevil: at least you'll not see much of any support when you run into trouble with windows flasher-3.5 Oct 03 12:36:04 vi_: nope, it's in .desktop file Oct 03 12:36:14 on 'doze it is the same as nix. Oct 03 12:36:20 vi_: so basically it's hildon-desktop restarting it Oct 03 12:36:30 just using the doze command line is very painful. Oct 03 12:36:51 and you got other symptomatics on problem cases Oct 03 12:36:52 DocScrutinizer05: but my modest.desktop file has no 'prestart' value. Oct 03 12:36:56 gonna boot ubuntu live Oct 03 12:37:04 vi_: :-o Oct 03 12:37:22 11.10 ubuntu -.- Oct 03 12:37:24 archeyDevil: you can also try gparted. Oct 03 12:37:33 archeyDevil: right approach Oct 03 12:37:38 Got that on a disk lol Oct 03 12:37:45 meh. got this ubuntu livecd Oct 03 12:37:50 just add debian repos and away you go. Oct 03 12:38:06 * archeyDevil would rather get flasher working on arch but seems more complicated due to multilib craps Oct 03 12:38:32 arch seems really convenient POS distro Oct 03 12:38:45 wtf bios w\ mouse -.- (dad's notebook w\ win.7 installed) Oct 03 12:38:47 Blah Oct 03 12:38:51 It's like the new gentoo, I think Oct 03 12:39:16 there was ami winbios in early-mid 90s.. which looked distantly like win3.x Oct 03 12:39:20 (POS != Point Of Sales) ;-P Oct 03 12:39:42 DocScrutinizer05: http://cxg.de/_c9af9f.htm Oct 03 12:39:44 POS? Oct 03 12:39:46 Riddle me this ^ Oct 03 12:39:48 HP Bios still using mouse Oct 03 12:39:54 POS=PILE OF SHIT. Oct 03 12:39:57 I read POC (proof of concept) and almost ranted at you haha Oct 03 12:39:58 as long as it works with a kbd .) Oct 03 12:40:09 WTF UBUNTU!! Why you not booted yet >_< Oct 03 12:41:28 have you seen pbput and pbget with the new pastebinit? Oct 03 12:41:49 It lets you store data on a pastebin. Oct 03 12:42:13 vi_: you recently commented that out? Oct 03 12:42:22 using base64, tar and gpg! Oct 03 12:42:27 DocScrutinizer05: ages ago. Oct 03 12:42:38 Nokia's selling off their HQ? Oct 03 12:42:47 man, they're deep in the gutters. Oct 03 12:43:06 Nokia ♥ Oct 03 12:43:16 vi_: I had a hard time make HD forget an Maemo-Prestarted=always in xchat, once I commented it out. I *think* it at very least needed reboot Oct 03 12:43:29 wow...... ubuntu ... BOOT!! Oct 03 12:43:47 vi_: HMMM on "ages ago" Oct 03 12:44:05 DocScrutinizer05: I have had at least 9000 reboots since commenting it out. Oct 03 12:44:24 vi_: grep -r Maemo-Prestarted=always / Oct 03 12:44:48 vi_: I *think* I found it in some friggin cache as well Oct 03 12:45:04 or mirror, or whatever you wanna call it Oct 03 12:45:35 I had a *really* hard time make that autostart vanish from xchat Oct 03 12:45:54 autostarting modest.. camera etc is kinda awful Oct 03 12:45:59 I attributed it to the mess I did when testing it Oct 03 12:46:07 and some of that software wont die when you close the window Oct 03 12:46:21 DocScrutinizer05: here is where it gets crazy. Oct 03 12:46:31 It only won't die when wifi is connected. Oct 03 12:46:54 o.O Oct 03 12:47:00 and no, autocheck email is not on. Oct 03 12:47:25 dbus proxy invoking the service? Oct 03 12:47:54 only thing I could think of Oct 03 12:48:52 X-Osso-Service=com.nokia.modest Oct 03 12:49:22 activesync.modest.plugin. Oct 03 12:49:24 so any dbus msg to com.nokia.modest will invoke/start modest Oct 03 12:49:28 MUTHARFUCKER. Oct 03 12:49:30 OUCH Oct 03 12:49:52 Ubuntu is finnaly up and running w\ wifi Oct 03 12:49:56 GO HOME ACTIVESYNC, NO ONE INVITED YOU. Oct 03 12:50:19 * DocScrutinizer05 kicks activesync in the guts hard Oct 03 12:50:20 Err. wifi not even :| Oct 03 12:51:08 wtf is activesync and how do I make if FO. Oct 03 12:51:27 archeyDevil: a nice and handy thing are flasher-3.5 and the images on a USB-stick or mountable volume on your PC already Oct 03 12:51:51 ~google activesync Oct 03 12:51:54 Problem is.. capability Oct 03 12:51:57 I use arch Oct 03 12:52:02 flasher doesn't like arch ;) Oct 03 12:52:08 Well.. x86_64 arch Oct 03 12:52:34 archeyDevil: I'm talking about running flasher under a live linux Oct 03 12:52:59 archeyDevil: download and storing is easier when done under your usual OS Oct 03 12:53:25 port it to live OS via USBstick or on (even VFAT) partition Oct 03 12:54:18 since your usual live OS image doesn't boot up with flasher-3.5 preinstalled, and COMBINED/VANILLA in /home/~ Oct 03 12:55:33 no vfat lol Oct 03 12:56:06 * archeyDevil is installing flasher on ubuntu live Oct 03 12:56:29 vi_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ActiveSync Oct 03 12:56:32 ... Oct 03 12:56:35 sybe Oct 03 12:56:39 skype Oct 03 12:56:41 addressbook Oct 03 12:56:45 signond Oct 03 12:56:49 its all linked. Oct 03 12:56:57 to modest?? Oct 03 12:57:32 every dick and his wife seems to be calling for modest over dbus Oct 03 12:57:59 evolution dataserver Oct 03 13:00:57 fsckng activesync Oct 03 13:01:02 and push-mail Oct 03 13:01:11 both zombified Oct 03 13:03:27 simple approach: ln -s /bin/false /usr/bin/modest Oct 03 13:03:44 apt-get remove as-daemon-0 Oct 03 13:03:51 problem solved Oct 03 13:03:52 that too Oct 03 13:04:19 and comment out the X-Osso-Service=com.nokia.modest as well Oct 03 13:04:44 hi all! Oct 03 13:04:47 wont that ruin mailto: handler? Oct 03 13:04:49 so no more proxy on dbus that could start modest when anybody nagging ;-) Oct 03 13:05:02 prolly, yes Oct 03 13:05:10 hi bullet9mm Oct 03 13:05:54 Okay.. Oct 03 13:06:06 ... Oct 03 13:06:07 okay? Oct 03 13:06:19 DocScrutinizer05: So, I download the 1009 vanilla emmc bin file? Oct 03 13:06:22 209 * Oct 03 13:06:24 2009 * Oct 03 13:06:26 archeyDevil: lsmod|grep phonet Oct 03 13:06:28 why does mp-fremantle-community-pr depend on modest-home-applet?? Oct 03 13:06:54 goooood question ;-P Oct 03 13:06:58 DocScrutinizer05: It's working and I put my phone in R&D more Oct 03 13:06:59 mode Oct 03 13:07:06 fine :-) Oct 03 13:07:16 download *latest* Oct 03 13:07:25 of both VANILLA and COMBINED Oct 03 13:07:32 look carefully it does say pr1.3 global Oct 03 13:07:41 the emmc one is probably not required for you to recover from this Oct 03 13:07:43 that too Oct 03 13:08:08 yeah, as ~flashing says, COMBINED only rarely needed Oct 03 13:08:15 DocScrutinizer05: diff w\ vanilla and combined? Oct 03 13:08:19 err scratch that Oct 03 13:08:26 VANILLA only rarely needed Oct 03 13:08:33 ~xyawn Oct 03 13:08:34 i heard xyawn is strong coffee Oct 03 13:08:44 AYESIR, MAM Oct 03 13:09:02 DocScrutinizer05: Which should I get? vanilla or combined? Oct 03 13:09:12 get both, just in case Oct 03 13:09:25 try flashing combined first Oct 03 13:09:27 HEAPS of links lol Oct 03 13:09:39 check for LATEST Oct 03 13:09:45 right col Oct 03 13:09:58 [2012-10-03 15:07:32] look carefully it does say pr1.3 global Oct 03 13:10:23 Go Latest Maemo 5 Global release for Nokia n900? Oct 03 13:10:29 PR combined Oct 03 13:10:37 yes, sounds good Oct 03 13:10:56 LATEST... COMBINED Oct 03 13:11:04 global Oct 03 13:11:13 all three regex match ;-) Oct 03 13:11:15 Whoah Oct 03 13:11:20 WTF DID UBUNTU DO TO ALT TAB!! Oct 03 13:11:38 ~buntkuh Oct 03 13:11:38 i guess buntkuh is http://xkcd.com/424/ ... Redmond, or http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holstein-Rind Oct 03 13:11:54 DocScrutinizer05: You're biolink'd to the bot lol Oct 03 13:12:07 ~botsnack Oct 03 13:12:07 DocScrutinizer05: thanks Oct 03 13:12:25 he Oct 03 13:12:53 ... is my master ...friend ...master Oct 03 13:12:54 lol. Oct 03 13:13:22 191MB file downloading....... 300-400KB/sex Oct 03 13:13:37 ~sex Oct 03 13:13:38 [~sex] updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; emerge --oneshot condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; emerge -C condom; make clean; sleep; Oct 03 13:13:49 ~gender Oct 03 13:13:50 I'm pregnant Oct 03 13:13:52 haha Oct 03 13:14:31 ding dong the modest is dead. Oct 03 13:14:34 I need some help...when i try run "apt-get update" the console return this error..... W: GPG error: https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ Release: The following signatures were invalid: KEYEXPIRED 1349249546 KEYEXPIRED 1349249546 KEYEXPIRED 134924954 ....some ideas? thanks at all! Oct 03 13:14:36 \o/ Oct 03 13:14:46 bullet9mm: Yeah, just ignore it. Oct 03 13:15:16 bullet9mm: is 9mm your favourite kind of bullet? Oct 03 13:15:50 vi_ it's only a nick... :) Oct 03 13:16:34 DocScrutinizer05: I'm getting this bin first (only) and I'll download the other if this fails Oct 03 13:16:45 Btw. I have no usb ports for usb flash drives xD Oct 03 13:17:00 2 for usb-cdrom. 1 for phone haha Oct 03 13:17:33 * archeyDevil can't believe that he bricked his phone :P Oct 03 13:17:49 Oh Oct 03 13:18:03 When I stuffed up my desktop and notebook's.. It was my backup for everything (ty 32G flash) Oct 03 13:18:06 xD Oct 03 13:18:06 vi_ thank you for the answer, but I'd like to know why I've this warning and why ignore it will fix it...thanks! Oct 03 13:19:23 archeyDevil: read all about: Oct 03 13:19:25 ~bm Oct 03 13:19:26 it has been said that backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 Oct 03 13:19:46 ...or simply *install* and *use* it ;-) Oct 03 13:20:27 the fuck, sqlite3 writes its journal in /var/lib/sqlite3 Oct 03 13:20:28 ham ->install, "all" type-search "backup", install Oct 03 13:20:50 (enable extras-devel prior to that) Oct 03 13:21:30 (and get a softdrink of your choice, or better a nice cup of coffe, it will take HAM like 5min to start up, with extras-devel enabled) Oct 03 13:21:52 Where I get the rootfs? Oct 03 13:22:01 problem Oct 03 13:23:10 http://typewith.me/p/archeydevil-n900 Oct 03 13:23:42 DocScrutinizer05: ^_^ Oct 03 13:24:04 hmm? Oct 03 13:24:29 freemangordon: WTF indeed Oct 03 13:24:40 503 Service Unavailable Oct 03 13:24:41 No server is available to handle this request. Oct 03 13:24:52 rw-r--r-- for /var/lib Oct 03 13:25:29 DocScrutinizer05: sqlite3 is user users Oct 03 13:25:35 ShadowJK: Please tell me thats not for my link? Oct 03 13:25:42 archeyDevil, it is Oct 03 13:25:47 ShadowJK: Working here Oct 03 13:25:50 Just clicked it ^_^ Oct 03 13:26:03 no one has ideas for my issue? Oct 03 13:26:05 freemangordon: /var7lib/sqlite ? even worse! Oct 03 13:26:27 Err not working on desktop Oct 03 13:26:27 this is patch made by nokia Oct 03 13:26:30 but worked on notebook Oct 03 13:26:32 hmm Oct 03 13:27:03 bullet9mm: either server is fsckd up, a thing not unheard of. Or you nuked your key on your device Oct 03 13:27:22 aiui Oct 03 13:27:41 http://pastebin.com/7y5Kc8v5 Oct 03 13:27:47 DocScrutinizer05: Fixes: NB#138038 Sqlite's journal stored in fast flash Oct 03 13:28:01 :D Oct 03 13:28:17 DocScrutinizer05: any suggestions?? Oct 03 13:28:26 archeyDevil: flasher 3.TWELFE!! Oct 03 13:28:39 ? Oct 03 13:28:42 is for N9/HARMATTAN Oct 03 13:28:44 3.12 Oct 03 13:28:54 Hehe Oct 03 13:28:57 Wrong version ima guess. Oct 03 13:28:58 3.5 for fremantle Oct 03 13:29:00 you need 3.5 (iirc) Oct 03 13:29:06 DocScrutinizer05 ...thanks, any idea to check if my key is valid? Oct 03 13:29:25 bullet9mm: ignore that, you can do nothing about it Oct 03 13:29:26 Okay Oct 03 13:29:44 there are ways to import the key, to install the right file with key, and to do other nice stuff. I got no clue though Oct 03 13:29:59 DocScrutinizer05 ..okay...thanks at all! :) Oct 03 13:30:01 DocScrutinizer05: Where get 3.5???? Oct 03 13:30:08 bullet9mm: assuming your system date is correctly set Oct 03 13:30:10 same place Oct 03 13:30:17 oh nvm Oct 03 13:30:52 grr, have to use i386 binary Oct 03 13:31:05 Nokia... Why you no open source?? Oct 03 13:31:31 Open source your GSM stuffs please :) Oct 03 13:31:38 DocScrutinizer05: do you agree with me that having sqlite journal on flash is a bad idea? Oct 03 13:31:44 >>Found device RX-51, hardware revision 2204<< wow Oct 03 13:31:52 rare hw-version Oct 03 13:31:57 freemangordon , yeah! seems all right... Oct 03 13:32:19 freemangordon: I'd not instantly argue against you rPOV Oct 03 13:32:43 DocScrutinizer05: the problem is I can' explain why I don;t like it :D:D:D Oct 03 13:32:50 *can't Oct 03 13:33:11 my problem is I got NFX what the journal is meant for Oct 03 13:33:24 s/X/C/ Oct 03 13:33:25 DocScrutinizer05 meant: my problem is I got NFC what the journal is meant for Oct 03 13:33:27 this is one of the rare moments I would love to be proven wrong Oct 03 13:33:31 DocScrutinizer05: Really? Oct 03 13:33:34 How so is it rare? Oct 03 13:34:08 archeyDevil: usual hw rev is sth like 21xx Oct 03 13:34:15 ok, thanks at all for help, bye! Oct 03 13:34:25 yw, come back eventually Oct 03 13:34:35 DocScrutinizer05: not that I know how exactly sqlite3 works, but journal keeps transactions until they are comited or reverted Oct 03 13:34:37 So I got one of the newest? Oct 03 13:34:55 freemangordon: then it belongs into /tmp Oct 03 13:35:11 archeyDevil: prolly Oct 03 13:35:11 Damn, battery died. Oct 03 13:35:29 DocScrutinizer05: Cool. :D Oct 03 13:35:30 So I have this curiosity about hildon-desktop and possibly transitions.ini Oct 03 13:35:39 DocScrutinizer05: well, it should be on a permanent storage , so you can recover the db in case of power fail Oct 03 13:36:02 At some times, hildon-desktop will freeze, buttons will stop responding Oct 03 13:36:11 FlameReaper: I recall your question. CSSU and transitions.ini are not identical to other GUI tweaker tools Oct 03 13:36:20 WTF UBUNTU!!???? Oct 03 13:36:27 DocScrutinizer05: Ah Oct 03 13:36:35 Firefox. shortcut to open downloads dialoge.. Ctrl + shift + Y ??? Oct 03 13:36:57 DocScrutinizer05: So I suppose I can't get help regarding that? Oct 03 13:37:06 FlameReaper: device GUI "freezing" usually caused by swap hell Oct 03 13:37:10 Ah Oct 03 13:37:19 At most times when I observed Oct 03 13:37:33 you got browser open, with heavy flash pages Oct 03 13:37:33 my SSH session with the phone as the host Oct 03 13:37:42 ? Oct 03 13:37:44 it's usually fine Oct 03 13:37:57 but when I try to issue a hildon-desktop restart from there Oct 03 13:38:04 it won't work, when it should Oct 03 13:38:11 yeah, since it's not CPU hogged, but HD parts swapped out Oct 03 13:38:16 installing flasher 3.5 Oct 03 13:38:37 close suspicious apps, esp browser Oct 03 13:38:46 I see Oct 03 13:38:58 Most of the time I use opera, but that might also be the culprit Oct 03 13:39:04 an occasional killall browserd helps miracles Oct 03 13:39:14 yeah Oct 03 13:39:24 browserd does run even when you're offline isn't it? Oct 03 13:39:30 yep Oct 03 13:39:46 used for quite a number of other stuff, than just for websurfing Oct 03 13:39:48 because I've observed in some cases HD locked up when I was offline Oct 03 13:40:08 FlameReaper: do you have cssu-thumb by chance? Oct 03 13:40:17 DocScrutinizer05: Error Oct 03 13:40:26 you being offline doesn't mean your HTML-related mem-hogs got closed Oct 03 13:40:29 Ubuntu won't install the i386 on the x86_64 -.- Oct 03 13:40:38 Ubuntu has multilib crap last time I checked >_< Oct 03 13:40:42 ~flash Oct 03 13:40:43 i heard maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Oct 03 13:41:00 archeyDevil: just get tarball and extract it Oct 03 13:41:11 freemangordon: Okay Oct 03 13:41:13 freemangordon: I have it, but those freezes occur before I decided to. Oct 03 13:41:34 Still have them now on ocassions, though Oct 03 13:41:40 I mean, freezes. Oct 03 13:42:00 I see. did you check your dmesg log for SGX recovery errors? Oct 03 13:42:15 archeyDevil: also >> you are probably on 64 bit and you need to install a libusb compatibility package. For example, on openSUSE 11.4 you just run zypper in libusb-0_1-4-32bit<< Oct 03 13:42:55 "some notes:" on http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Linux_PC Oct 03 13:43:11 freemangordon: Can't remember if I did Oct 03 13:43:30 I think I only saw it once, but that's probably because I did it only once when I managed to Oct 03 13:43:50 and that probably was when I SSH'd into it Oct 03 13:43:55 FlameReaper: do it next time when it happens. and remember - never reboot your phone, do a complete power cycle Oct 03 13:44:10 (if reboot is needed) Oct 03 13:44:15 power cycle != reboot? Oct 03 13:44:17 * FlameReaper notes Oct 03 13:44:21 Hmm Oct 03 13:44:25 archeyDevil: please read http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware *completely* prior to flashing. Dunno this recommendation once seemed to be on top of that page, isn't anymore Oct 03 13:44:26 power off/power on Oct 03 13:44:28 DocScrutinizer05: lol! libusb++ Oct 03 13:44:34 Oh Oct 03 13:44:52 And when you said "reboot" do you mean by issuing the "reboot" command? Oct 03 13:44:57 Image:Ambox_notice.png Oct 03 13:44:58 MAKE SURE YOU KNOW YOUR LOCK CODE (default: 12345) There has been at least one report where a device started to ask for lock code after reflashing! Oct 03 13:45:02 How to get past that? Oct 03 13:45:05 * archeyDevil never knew the code Oct 03 13:45:12 FlameReaper: yes Oct 03 13:45:22 Got the phone off eBay for $120 second hand several months back Oct 03 13:45:23 archeyDevil: Did you ever use the lock code? Oct 03 13:45:30 Oh. Oct 03 13:45:30 ^_^ Second hand Oct 03 13:45:34 Never touched lock codes Oct 03 13:45:56 In my case, the previous owner almost never did anything with the phone, it was as good as brand new Oct 03 13:46:16 Mine pretty much Oct 03 13:46:19 few scratches Oct 03 13:46:27 just a bubble under the screen protecter Oct 03 13:46:29 so supposedly the could should stay 12345 Oct 03 13:46:34 *lock code Oct 03 13:46:36 slightly worn keyboard Oct 03 13:46:58 wtf ubuntu?? Oct 03 13:47:02 ls flaser-3.5 Oct 03 13:47:06 ./flasher-3.5 Oct 03 13:47:09 not found Oct 03 13:47:11 flasher * Oct 03 13:47:13 if your lockcode kicks in, you'll have to do complete flash (vanilla as well) Oct 03 13:47:22 I told you some hours ago Oct 03 13:47:23 * archeyDevil is using tab auto completion!! Oct 03 13:47:36 Okay Oct 03 13:47:45 flasher >> Why not working? wtf? Oct 03 13:47:47 archeyDevil: Try "chmod +x ./flasher-3.5" ? Oct 03 13:48:00 and then try running it again. Oct 03 13:48:00 wrong architecture Oct 03 13:48:11 did Oct 03 13:48:18 ^^^ Oct 03 13:48:22 freemangordon: Yupp Oct 03 13:48:25 No x86_64? Oct 03 13:48:33 install 32bit compat libraries Oct 03 13:48:45 * archeyDevil doesn't use ubuntu. Mind guiding? Oct 03 13:48:59 * archeyDevil uses the rather easy to use archlinux ;) Oct 03 13:49:00 [2012-10-03 15:42:15] archeyDevil: also >> you are probably on 64 bit and you need to install a libusb compatibility package. For example, on openSUSE 11.4 you just run zypper in libusb-0_1-4-32bit<< Oct 03 13:49:02 ..°.°... ... Oct 03 13:49:12 ... I have no words. Oct 03 13:49:15 DocScrutinizer05: Need 32 bit stuff Oct 03 13:49:19 well, i got them as a part of wine installation Oct 03 13:49:26 FlameReaper: I tried that did nothing Oct 03 13:49:31 ubuntu wouldn't even say it's a file Oct 03 13:49:49 archeyDevil: and what google has to say about it? Oct 03 13:50:03 archeyDevil: where you stored your flasher-3.5? Oct 03 13:50:26 by any odds that's maybe VFAT fs? Oct 03 13:51:20 DocScrutinizer05: in root's home dir Oct 03 13:51:29 hmm, should be fine Oct 03 13:51:36 ls -l ./fla* Oct 03 13:51:42 paste here Oct 03 13:52:23 (no more than 3 lines please!) Oct 03 13:52:36 here.. Oct 03 13:53:01 http://pastebin.com/xGReP6Ud Oct 03 13:53:04 DocScrutinizer05: how about one? Oct 03 13:53:38 I'm missing the lib32 crap I guess Oct 03 13:54:15 so a mere >> ./flasher-3.5 << gives you what? Oct 03 13:54:39 -bash: ./flasher-3.5: No such file or directory <<< RETARTED UBUNTU Oct 03 13:55:01 * archeyDevil uses tab to auto complete ^_^ Oct 03 13:55:02 that's kinda odd, but I kinda recall that Oct 03 13:55:14 Suggestions? Oct 03 13:55:28 umm Oct 03 13:55:38 Please don't say get i386 :P Oct 03 13:55:55 nah, see above post re libusb-0_1-4-32bit Oct 03 13:55:57 DocScrutinizer05: VFat? Oct 03 13:56:01 Acturally Oct 03 13:56:06 I mean, will that happen on vfat? Oct 03 13:56:09 ?? Oct 03 13:56:12 Where link?? Oct 03 13:56:24 FlameReaper: on VFAT there's no +x Oct 03 13:56:33 Ah Oct 03 13:56:33 ~flash Oct 03 13:56:34 somebody said maemo-flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Oct 03 13:57:02 stuff it. ima reboot into i386 ubuntu 10.10 Oct 03 13:57:16 good plan :-) Oct 03 13:57:29 downgrading more :P Oct 03 13:58:08 This better be i686 Oct 03 13:58:54 ... Oct 03 13:59:04 i686 and i386 isn't the same thing? Oct 03 13:59:43 FlameReaper: Close enough - are cap. Oct 03 13:59:54 In Linux atleast Oct 03 14:00:00 It's all i686 anyhow Oct 03 14:00:17 i386 doesn't really exist anymore lol. (VERY old computers have i386) Oct 03 14:00:50 Hmm Oct 03 14:01:08 Eh. you know what I mean i386 * i686 Oct 03 14:01:12 Eh Oct 03 14:01:27 i386 in use Oct 03 14:01:29 cya guys, I have to take a few minutes of breathing real fresh air out in the big Bluebox Oct 03 14:01:39 DocScrutinizer05: Okay Oct 03 14:01:46 * archeyDevil needs to sleep and get fresh air too.. Oct 03 14:02:55 Hmm Oct 03 14:02:55 Yay a noicy ubuntu :D Oct 03 14:03:01 10.10 makes noise :P Oct 03 14:03:04 * DocScrutinizer05 ponders setting up a tiny openSuse custom distro live image, with flasher-3.5 and all the good fiaco images preinstalled. Shouldn't be more than maybe 200MB download Oct 03 14:03:05 But as far as I can remember Oct 03 14:03:21 O.o Oct 03 14:03:22 it's both x86 Oct 03 14:03:28 I like ths sound of that :) Oct 03 14:03:44 ... Or Oct 03 14:03:46 if I can't get this done. Mind uploading somewhere? Oct 03 14:03:57 Since this is *buntu we're talking about Oct 03 14:04:06 that's the plan, if ever I get around to do it Oct 03 14:04:18 an easier way to do things is to get the *.deb installer for the flasher Oct 03 14:04:33 < to me anyway ._. Oct 03 14:04:51 DocScrutinizer05: Just don't add any virus, backdoor etc lol Oct 03 14:04:54 ~buntkuh Oct 03 14:04:55 buntkuh is, like, http://xkcd.com/424/ ... Redmond, or http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holstein-Rind Oct 03 14:05:40 archeyDevil: no need for that, I already got my backdoor exploit sneaked into all existing linux kernels ;-D Oct 03 14:06:03 DocScrutinizer05: lol Oct 03 14:06:38 * archeyDevil is surprised no one has uploaded a device driver that makes a USB w\ fakable details to be a rootsh no login :) Oct 03 14:06:42 Get that into android ;) Oct 03 14:06:49 USB cable. rootsh :D Oct 03 14:07:23 Crap.. Oct 03 14:07:27 gotta redownload this image haha Oct 03 14:08:24 firefox crashed -. Oct 03 14:08:25 -.- Oct 03 14:08:41 archeyDevil: once you're past your debricking (or even now...) you might want to search ~jrtools for details you find useful Oct 03 14:09:06 wtf.. Oct 03 14:09:28 Could not launch "terminal" failed to execuite chile process ... (input.output error) >_< Oct 03 14:09:45 ~jrtools Oct 03 14:09:45 rumour has it, jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Oct 03 14:10:27 WTF UBUNTU!! Oct 03 14:10:28 -.- Oct 03 14:10:32 DocScrutinizer05: I need your image Oct 03 14:10:47 damn, that's vapourware Oct 03 14:10:58 huh? Oct 03 14:10:59 * FlameReaper watches on as he tilts his head looking at someone who has problems with ubuntu Oct 03 14:11:10 archeyDevil: I haven't done it yet Oct 03 14:11:24 FlameReaper: I don't have issues with good systems, just noob systems. Oct 03 14:11:28 TOO POINT/CLICK!! Oct 03 14:11:34 DocScrutinizer05: Damn.. Oct 03 14:11:49 * FlameReaper tilts his head to the other side Oct 03 14:12:20 http://en.opensuse.org/Derivatives Oct 03 14:12:47 DocScrutinizer05: Where should I start from? Oct 03 14:12:54 This ubuntu doesn't wanna give me gnome-terminal >_< Oct 03 14:12:58 still got tty tho Oct 03 14:13:25 yea squashfs died Oct 03 14:13:59 http://software.opensuse.org/122/en KDE live maybe? Oct 03 14:14:19 4.7GB DVD Oct 03 14:14:21 I think not Oct 03 14:14:31 Download speed 200-400KB/sex Oct 03 14:14:42 * archeyDevil has been talking to GF too often.... Oct 03 14:14:44 sec ** Oct 03 14:15:24 archeyDevil: WTF are you doing? how is that ubuntu does not have gnome terminal? Oct 03 14:15:39 freemangordon: io errors Oct 03 14:15:39 lol Oct 03 14:15:53 I'm waiting for it to boot again Oct 03 14:15:55 SOO SLOW Oct 03 14:16:09 * archeyDevil would be using archlinux for this but flasher doesn't like my x86_64 Oct 03 14:16:34 And my arch i386 doesn't boot :P Oct 03 14:16:57 io errors? Oct 03 14:17:04 FlameReaper: livecd Oct 03 14:17:13 Figures Oct 03 14:17:16 http://ftp.tu-chemnitz.de/pub/linux/opensuse/distribution/12.2/iso/openSUSE-12.2-KDE-LiveCD-i686.iso 671MB Oct 03 14:17:23 DocScrutinizer05: too big Oct 03 14:17:24 lol Oct 03 14:17:38 Will take about 45 minutes to download haha Oct 03 14:17:40 maybe longer Oct 03 14:17:52 I'm away now anyway Oct 03 14:17:57 archeyDevil: i really wonder what are you doing, but once unity is removed, ubuntu is absolutely fine Oct 03 14:17:58 sorry Oct 03 14:17:59 D: Oct 03 14:18:12 freemangordon: ubuntu 10.10 ;) Oct 03 14:18:21 No unity ♥ Oct 03 14:18:23 aah, so no uninty Oct 03 14:18:49 * archeyDevil rathers tiler window managers or tmux :) Oct 03 14:19:02 tmux = tty "window manager" :D Oct 03 14:19:04 you should not have any problems. Besides PEBKAC Oct 03 14:19:05 screen is meh Oct 03 14:19:17 PEBKAC? Oct 03 14:19:27 ~pebkac Oct 03 14:19:27 PEBKAC: Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair. Oct 03 14:19:31 :P Oct 03 14:19:40 No chair :S Oct 03 14:19:55 well, get one Oct 03 14:20:01 freemangordon: I favored KDE out of the rest of the DEs I have seen. Oct 03 14:20:10 dafaqbnu? Oct 03 14:20:23 dafaqbuntu? Oct 03 14:20:38 FlameReaper: i've ever preffered gnome over KDE, but don;t ask me why :D Oct 03 14:20:58 I don't need to guess. Oct 03 14:21:03 Or rather, I shouldn't. Oct 03 14:21:03 excuding Fedora (core1) Oct 03 14:21:25 fact is: for flashing N900 you don't need any friggin X at all, even less any desktop-manager Oct 03 14:21:29 This is what I'd prefure more http://jamesm.com.au/ -- Look at the screenshots :D Oct 03 14:21:45 FlameReaper: yeah, unfortunately I am using windoze much more than I would like to Oct 03 14:22:02 freemangordon: Hey, I keep winlol too. Oct 03 14:22:15 only thing you'd need X for is that friggin download from that IMEI "secured" webpage, via browser Oct 03 14:22:16 Just because it's inside when I bought my laptop. Oct 03 14:22:39 (even that *might* be possibly with lynx or sth ;-P) Oct 03 14:22:48 even my home pc still runs XP, I just cannot find the week of free time needed to migrate everything under linux Oct 03 14:23:00 DocScrutinizer05: Not really. w3m will do fine too :) Oct 03 14:24:20 w3m == lynx ?? Oct 03 14:24:25 DocScrutinizer05: no Oct 03 14:24:35 lynx can't use framebuffer for images ;) Oct 03 14:24:40 ooh Oct 03 14:24:56 But similar Oct 03 14:25:12 jpg or png only can't recal which Oct 03 14:25:15 recall * Oct 03 14:25:28 libim deals with the fb Oct 03 14:25:37 hm, does the autobuilder no longer have internet access in the build process? Oct 03 14:25:54 I'd love to set up curl or wget to download those friggin images and binary without any "web-browsing" user activity Oct 03 14:26:08 +1 Oct 03 14:26:27 DocScrutinizer05: You make a flasher OS and I'll help you get it out there ;) Oct 03 14:26:32 open a requester: "please enter your IMEI" preconfigured to show the publicly known working IMEI Oct 03 14:26:34 Make sure it supports more than just nokia lol Oct 03 14:27:00 DocScrutinizer05: luke-jr wrote a script to do just that. It even used your imei to authenticate. Oct 03 14:27:08 duh Oct 03 14:27:14 vi_: link? Oct 03 14:27:21 cannot remember Oct 03 14:27:25 :-/ Oct 03 14:27:32 was months ago. Oct 03 14:27:39 * DocScrutinizer05 summons luke-jr Oct 03 14:27:41 vi_: firefox Ctrl+h Oct 03 14:27:59 firefox.crashcount # 4 Oct 03 14:28:24 your PC is fsckdup Oct 03 14:28:33 or it's just Oct 03 14:28:36 ~buntkuh Oct 03 14:28:36 from memory, buntkuh is http://xkcd.com/424/ ... Redmond, or http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holstein-Rind Oct 03 14:28:58 DocScrutinizer05: My PC is perfect w\ io error'n HDD and limited lvm parition space + crypto. :) Oct 03 14:29:14 firefox.crashcount # 5 Oct 03 14:29:30 dafaq, use other browser! Oct 03 14:29:30 wikki.maemo.org crashes firefox xD Oct 03 14:29:52 oh lol Oct 03 14:29:55 io errors again Oct 03 14:30:02 Bai bai ubuntu 10.10 *snap* Oct 03 14:30:07 your PC is fsckdup Oct 03 14:30:20 ubuntu livecd is snapped Oct 03 14:30:24 IO errors usually HW Oct 03 14:31:11 also boot taking eternal indicates your CD is full of bad / poor sectors Oct 03 14:31:38 making drive retry all the time, can take minutes Oct 03 14:32:00 DocScrutinizer05: Work on your flasher OS ;) Oct 03 14:32:05 or CD drive lase lens covered with dirt Oct 03 14:32:16 * archeyDevil has to wait 3 plus days before he can continue with this flashing Oct 03 14:32:51 Girlfriend is having a movie night tomorrow. and I have lots of homework to do :| Oct 03 14:32:59 cya then, for good now. I'm really feeling embarassed by this running gag of me never getting away from PC Oct 03 14:33:12 * archeyDevil hates school. Learn nothing. I know that I can hack their wifi with my phone! (after being unbricked ;) ) Oct 03 14:33:15 lol Oct 03 14:33:16 Bai bai Oct 03 14:33:33 ( I know cause I have ) Oct 03 14:33:36 lol @ certs Oct 03 14:33:41 Bai bai. -- offline. Oct 03 14:42:32 does the autobuilder no longer have internet access in the build process(i used it before to checkout some svn sources and compile them in the buld proccess)? Oct 03 14:48:57 archeyDevil: ctrl+h?? what? Oct 03 14:49:55 archeyDevil: heh, school is the best years of your life son. ENjoy it while you can. Oct 03 14:57:19 X-Fade ping Oct 03 14:58:54 hm I had a phone call but can't find the number or event on my phone Oct 03 14:59:16 I like to know who was that guy who called me Oct 03 14:59:24 n900 Oct 03 15:00:53 everything seems to work, except the phone has some issues apparently :) Oct 03 15:01:00 real geeky Oct 03 15:01:18 if it's not in call log, it probably isn't in eventsdb either (maybe due to that db being corrupted or just too large). Odds are you'll never find out Oct 03 15:01:53 hm i'll call myself to check it out Oct 03 15:03:15 DocScrutinizer05: Looks like I forgot something when I asked about HD behavior back then - I suppose when HD is in that state, any calls made to me won't get through, is it? Oct 03 15:04:10 grammoboy: ls -l /home/user/.rtcom-eventlogger/el-v1.db Oct 03 15:04:47 rejected call gets notified Oct 03 15:04:56 accepted call give no info afterwards Oct 03 15:05:04 hmmm Oct 03 15:05:31 Notifications yes Oct 03 15:05:34 pretty much sounds like corrupted sqlite db Oct 03 15:06:17 FlameReaper: HD in which state? Oct 03 15:06:31 DocScrutinizer05: The state of freezing I mentioned earlier Oct 03 15:06:41 depends Oct 03 15:06:55 call-ui is mostly independent of HD Oct 03 15:06:59 Hmm Oct 03 15:07:15 Might be an X-related problem Oct 03 15:07:43 since any calls made to my phone will have the dialtone, indicating my phone should be ringing Oct 03 15:08:09 use htop etc to check general system sanity Oct 03 15:08:19 Hmm Oct 03 15:08:32 Might need to do that while SSH'd Oct 03 15:08:41 might be sth hogging CPU, dbus, swap+freemem, whatever Oct 03 15:08:43 else when that happens I completely lose control Oct 03 15:08:49 of the phone Oct 03 15:09:29 usually powerbutton "kill this task" still works Oct 03 15:10:05 though not instantly Oct 03 15:10:24 quite usually you find your device has entered swap hell Oct 03 15:10:41 DocScrutinizer05: what was that about completely disabling modest? Oct 03 15:10:51 well, that Oct 03 15:11:39 could you repeat the question? ;-P Oct 03 15:11:44 how do i do it Oct 03 15:11:53 see backscroll Oct 03 15:11:56 hm Oct 03 15:11:59 i don't want to see backscroll D: Oct 03 15:12:00 it's long Oct 03 15:12:14 comment out the autostart line in modest.desktop Oct 03 15:12:22 kill activesync Oct 03 15:12:35 ask original poster about further stuff needed Oct 03 15:12:39 user users 13160448 Oct 03 15:12:50 ls -l /home/user/.rtcom-eventlogger/el-v1.db Oct 03 15:13:00 [23:10] quite usually you find your device has entered swap hell Oct 03 15:13:23 I suppose I should try a restore of the system's default swap configuration Oct 03 15:13:27 since I was using swappolube Oct 03 15:13:35 ooooh Oct 03 15:13:43 pretty sure you should Oct 03 15:13:46 I should've mentioned that earlier Oct 03 15:13:54 hehehe, i really wonder how i'm going to recover from the lack of a swap partition if my uSD fucks up Oct 03 15:14:18 grammoboy: kinda large Oct 03 15:14:32 lots of SMS? Oct 03 15:14:38 and other stuff? Oct 03 15:14:51 DocScrutinizer05, no the previous owner has completely rm everything Oct 03 15:15:02 still kinda large Oct 03 15:15:11 DocScrutinizer05, but I get now an sms from one year ago Oct 03 15:15:16 -rw-r--r-- 1 user users 601088 2012-10-02 14:15 /home/user/.rtcom-eventlogger/el-v1.db Oct 03 15:15:18 vi_: is modest removable without too many issues? Oct 03 15:15:44 hm Oct 03 15:16:24 grammoboy: and that's a db used since 2 years something, and never got cleared Oct 03 15:16:54 I'm doing extremely little SMs and calls though Oct 03 15:17:22 average for sure no more than one/day Oct 03 15:17:28 DocScrutinizer05, new txt message :) Oct 03 15:17:45 DocScrutinizer05, someone is in love but not with me, all though it looks she is Oct 03 15:18:02 really something odd going on here Oct 03 15:18:23 try to find a way to reset/clean that database Oct 03 15:18:49 (sorry no other way than reflashing known to me, though I bet there has to be) Oct 03 15:19:11 any idea who maintains the auto builder? Oct 03 15:19:26 (and possibly how to contact them) Oct 03 15:19:36 a simple mv /home/user/.rtcom-eventlogger/el-v1.db /home/user/.rtcom-eventlogger/el-v1.db_away may cause system to create it new on next boot Oct 03 15:19:39 http://www.parorrey.com/blog/technology/resolve-disappearing-conversations-and-sms-text-messages-sending-failed-problem-on-nokia-n900/ Oct 03 15:20:02 open it with sqlite3 and reindex it Oct 03 15:20:04 or something Oct 03 15:20:07 trx: X-Fade Oct 03 15:21:35 kerio: I do not want to remove modest entirely, just stop it from randomly starting on it's own accord. Oct 03 15:21:41 I have removed mfe. Oct 03 15:21:45 :o Oct 03 15:21:47 neat Oct 03 15:21:49 It seems to have mostly done it. Oct 03 15:21:52 with activesync? Oct 03 15:22:16 activesync is GONE. Oct 03 15:22:18 vi_: what's the package called? Oct 03 15:22:55 as-daemon-0 Oct 03 15:23:32 what about as-config-applet-0 or as-utils or libas-common-utils-0 or libas-storage-0 or modest-as-plugin-0 or camel-as-provider-0 Oct 03 15:23:38 kerio: http://cxg.de/_4ad92a.htm Oct 03 15:23:39 DocScrutinizer05 thanks Oct 03 15:24:06 some of those get nuked as they are dependancies. Oct 03 15:24:16 meh, i think i'm ok with leaving an empty daemon that does nothing Oct 03 15:24:22 vi_: not here, idk why Oct 03 15:24:54 well, it means I can now kill modest to free up some ram for browsing internet pr0n. Oct 03 15:25:04 yay pr0n Oct 03 15:25:13 and with flash player 10, pretty much every streaming website works :D Oct 03 15:25:40 :-) Oct 03 15:25:45 anyway, where's that script? /etc/network/ifup.d/ ? Oct 03 15:25:47 vi_: even with -thumb you still don;t have enough free RAM?!? Oct 03 15:26:03 those are called *after* the IP side is done, right? Oct 03 15:26:15 freemangordon: you always need moar ram, no exceptions Oct 03 15:26:21 because you always need moar pr0n Oct 03 15:26:38 8 tabs of pr0n will not play in no ram. Oct 03 15:26:44 haha Oct 03 15:26:58 my pr0n browsing is strictly serial Oct 03 15:27:02 kerio: You wanted the if-up.d script. Oct 03 15:27:05 no parallel browsing Oct 03 15:27:12 vi_: yes i did, and for that i thank you Oct 03 15:27:32 just rip out my junk and put in some curl magic. Oct 03 15:27:36 yeah, yeah Oct 03 15:27:47 but, but,... how do you watch them simultaneously Oct 03 15:27:56 :P Oct 03 15:27:57 freemangordon: tasknav :D Oct 03 15:28:09 freemangordon: mplayer+easydebian+dwm Oct 03 15:28:13 don;t work, mp stops when not in focus ;) Oct 03 15:28:26 aah, I see Oct 03 15:28:51 Is it possible to make the tasknav previews bigger? Oct 03 15:29:00 vi_: well, I am preparing a new update to support your p0rn Oct 03 15:29:03 vi_: yes Oct 03 15:29:09 edit transittions.ini Oct 03 15:29:21 ok second option of that link helped me out Oct 03 15:29:38 vi_: hm, does ICD2 disconnect wlan0 before connecting gprs0? Oct 03 15:30:44 kerio: I dont know. Oct 03 15:31:27 vi_: also, is the output logged somewhere? Oct 03 15:43:16 kerio: NFC Oct 03 15:45:33 i think it keeps old connection until new is established Oct 03 15:55:47 kerio: definitely keeps old vonnection until new gets established Oct 03 15:57:09 log could get logged into /var/log/syslog, /var/log/*(/*), or any other randomly picked file the devels of ICD thought might be funny Oct 03 15:57:35 kerio: logger foobar anyway logs foobar to syslog, unconditionally Oct 03 15:59:56 kerio: an `exec 2>>/your/stderr_logfile` at beginning of any script is a nice way to have a log. same for stdout without the "2" in it Oct 03 16:00:49 exec 2>>/your/logfile_all 1>&2 Oct 03 16:01:25 or... Oct 03 16:01:31 exec 2>>/your/logfile_all 1>>&2 Oct 03 16:01:37 not sure right now Oct 03 16:03:45 does anybody know of semantics in 3>&5 ? will it reopen FD5 or just set FD3 to the content already existing in FD5, without new open() ? Oct 03 16:05:11 ShadowJK: no big deal, i can check for IFACE Oct 03 16:05:27 I.E will pointers in FD3 point to same location as those in FD5 after that, or will FD3 pointers point to default? Oct 03 16:07:12 DocScrutinizer05: can i assume grep, awk and cut are just there in the path? Oct 03 16:08:00 yet another way of wording it: will the code execute fd5=fd3, or will it execute fopen(fd5, &fd3) ? Oct 03 16:08:31 ugh, why is ifconfig wlan0 | grep "inet addr" | cut -d: -f2 | awk '{ print $1 }' the easiest way to get the ip address for a particular interface? Oct 03 16:08:32 kerio: you generally shouldn't assume much for your $PATH in scripts Oct 03 16:09:09 though core system commands are probably supposed to be available via $PATH Oct 03 16:10:07 kerio: good question Oct 03 16:10:44 kerio: also don't forget to setenv LANG=C; export LANG prior to that Oct 03 16:10:52 ugh, good point Oct 03 16:11:06 fucking bullshit Oct 03 16:13:16 awk '{ print $1 }' however looks kinda awkward Oct 03 16:13:38 what should i do? Oct 03 16:15:55 maybe sed "s/.*inet addr:\([0-9a-f.]*\).*/\1/" Oct 03 16:16:22 it's still a fucking dumbbullshitsauce Oct 03 16:16:29 yeah, sure Oct 03 16:17:07 wait, a-f? Oct 03 16:17:18 what kind of silly ipv4 addresses have you been using? :o Oct 03 16:21:04 sorry, no a-f Oct 03 16:21:23 bbl Oct 03 16:21:47 anyway the sed cmd should replace cut and awk Oct 03 16:22:05 and, if a bit improved, may also replace grep Oct 03 16:23:45 no seriously, this is dumb as hell Oct 03 16:29:49 alright, LANG=C /sbin/ifconfig wlan0 should work Oct 03 16:29:55 this is some *serious* bullshit Oct 03 16:31:06 I bet there's some way to find out about IP addr of a NIC in an unambiguous form Oct 03 16:34:46 well, i haven't found it Oct 03 16:34:53 probably using ip instead of ifconfig Oct 03 16:35:00 but that's just a different text substitution Oct 03 16:35:01 fukken unix Oct 03 16:38:40 or that >>Wanting to read interface addresses reeks of a design problem.<< Oct 03 16:39:01 fukken unix noob ;-P Oct 03 16:41:35 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9941030/get-ip-address-of-local-nic-from-kernel-module/9946953#9946953 Oct 03 16:44:38 hahahaha Oct 03 16:44:40 ip addr show $interface Oct 03 16:44:48 though ip does not exist on maemo5 Oct 03 16:44:57 sure it does Oct 03 16:45:07 in busybox-power >:D Oct 03 16:45:18 -sh: ip: not found Oct 03 16:45:19 merlin1991: even then, it doesn't just show the ip Oct 03 16:47:18 merlin1991, ip is in package iproute Oct 03 16:47:39 I pushed new version to extras-devel Oct 03 16:48:28 ifconfig is deprecated on linux >= 2.6 (or 2.4 ?) Oct 03 16:49:20 like ntpdate ? Oct 03 16:49:38 ugh, nokia GPG keys are expired Oct 03 16:49:44 this is going to be fucking awful Oct 03 16:49:53 the main reason ifconfig is deprecated, because each and every version produces a different output Oct 03 16:50:05 deprecated core unix commands are very hard to kill Oct 03 16:50:07 and then it can't set everything new kernels support :D Oct 03 16:50:45 fair enough Oct 03 16:50:58 ip seems nice, once you recall it exists ;-D Oct 03 16:51:07 IF it exists Oct 03 16:51:10 XP Oct 03 16:51:21 o/ Oct 03 16:53:26 ip -4 addr show dev wlan0 | grep inet | awk '{ print $2 }' | cut -d/ -f1 Oct 03 16:53:27 LOL Oct 03 16:56:57 kerio, it print all assigned ipv4 address Oct 03 16:57:14 ifconfig show only first ip address, ip show all Oct 03 16:57:18 i just want one :'( Oct 03 16:57:54 | head -1 Oct 03 16:59:46 yay Oct 03 17:00:07 >>Wanting to read interface addresses reeks of a design problem.<< http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9941030/get-ip-address-of-local-nic-from-kernel-module/9946953#9946953 Oct 03 17:00:24 WTF would you need to do this anyway? Oct 03 17:00:53 it's not my fault, bluesocket wants the ip passed as a POST parameter Oct 03 17:01:09 unix commands are built in a way you usually shouldn't need to know your own IP Oct 03 17:01:12 i suppose that a much cleaner way would be to actually fetch the login page, and mechanize it Oct 03 17:02:07 wtf bluesocket? Oct 03 17:02:13 a wifi hotspot thingy Oct 03 17:02:17 OUCH Oct 03 17:02:24 my university's wifi uses it Oct 03 17:03:56 yeah, i know Oct 03 17:04:37 /usr/bin/curl -Lk -d "_FORM_SUBMIT=1&which_form=reg&destination=&source=${IP}&error=&bs_name=REDACTED&bs_password=REDACTED" https://wifigw2.uniroma1.it/login.pl Oct 03 17:04:43 this shit right here Oct 03 17:04:45 for the life of mine I couldn't figure WTF a HTTP URL has to know your NIC's IP for, they should *know* it from you talking to them via that very NIC Oct 03 17:05:00 i know, but it's a parameter that's passed in the web page itself Oct 03 17:05:04 and i don't know if i can skip it Oct 03 17:05:23 * DocScrutinizer05 hands kerio a huge LART Oct 03 17:05:30 iirc i tried with just user and password, and it didn't work Oct 03 17:05:38 for applying it to your university's admins Oct 03 17:07:52 kerio: I guess you have to get prior form from server via curl, it will contain that crap with correct parameters Oct 03 17:08:17 DocScrutinizer05: or i can just pass a random IP and hope that it's not actually needed Oct 03 17:09:30 that's all so incredibly silly Oct 03 17:09:37 i know Oct 03 17:09:48 the wifi hotspot is incredibly silly Oct 03 17:09:57 i think it goes by mac address, anyway Oct 03 17:10:00 * DocScrutinizer05 has to leave that starnge world of silly admins and IT at alrge, and get some food Oct 03 17:32:30 will nokia eventually sign the packages with a non-expired key again? Oct 03 17:32:37 i've got a bunch of KEYEXPIRED Oct 03 17:45:24 BGR has learned that the Redmond, Washington-based company plans to release its own Windows Phone 8 smartphone in the coming months. Oct 03 17:45:34 * RST38h laughs satanically Oct 03 17:55:55 Pali: ping Oct 03 17:56:08 freemangordon, pong Oct 03 17:58:26 Pali: does u-boot includes my patches for thumb2? Oct 03 17:58:30 *include Oct 03 17:58:40 setting of IBE bit that is Oct 03 17:58:42 I think yes Oct 03 17:58:52 can you check it? Oct 03 17:59:10 https://gitorious.org/u-boot-shr/u-boot Oct 03 17:59:28 Pali: is that what you have used to make .debs? Oct 03 17:59:43 yes, branch pali Oct 03 18:00:09 board code is here: https://gitorious.org/u-boot-shr/u-boot/blobs/pali/board/nokia/rx51/rx51.c Oct 03 18:00:35 https://gitorious.org/u-boot-shr/u-boot/blobs/pali/board/nokia/rx51/rx51.c#line383 Oct 03 18:01:07 hmm, where is my name? :P Oct 03 18:01:13 ok, it is included Oct 03 18:01:38 I will add your name when I rebase patches on top of current "master" Oct 03 18:01:42 :-) Oct 03 18:02:19 I'm waiting for including ansi terminal support in framebuffer driver Oct 03 18:02:26 in upstream Oct 03 18:02:28 :) Oct 03 18:03:30 ~seen jonwil Oct 03 18:03:33 jonwil <~jonwil@27-33-137-199.static.tpgi.com.au> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 30d 7h 35m 2s ago, saying: 'yay, my N900 is finally fixed :)'. Oct 03 18:03:39 where is jonwil? Oct 03 18:03:53 hehe, he has his toy back :D:D:D Oct 03 18:04:02 is he alive? Oct 03 18:04:16 ~seen zeq Oct 03 18:04:17 zeq <~s_j_newbu@2a01:348:1e3:1:e6ec:10ff:fe9a:d418> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 20d 4h 1m 8s ago, saying: 'hi freemangordon'. Oct 03 18:04:26 what happened to his n900? Oct 03 18:05:36 NFC, gatters dust Oct 03 18:05:47 but he got it Oct 03 18:07:37 well, the last time we talked he said that he has some job Oct 03 18:08:06 having in mind he is a freelancer, ... Oct 03 18:54:02 :-S Oct 03 18:55:44 hahaha Oct 03 18:55:46 he ran away with the n900 Oct 03 19:12:50 :P I so hate flying... Oct 03 19:13:21 Have a fun election folks... I'll see you on the other side. Work becons... Oct 03 19:23:06 hah Oct 03 19:23:59 freemangordon, now I rebased rx51 patches on top of u-boot master and booting kernel in qemu working... Oct 03 19:24:10 I so hate flying... - he said, and took a flight out of IRC and to work Oct 03 19:25:44 I added code which reuse bootmode (normal, update - for emmc flash) + added 2 global env variables (setup_boot_mode_atag, setup_boot_reason_atag) which overwrite bootmode and bootreason Oct 03 19:26:15 freemangordon, + added your name to code :-) Oct 03 19:27:26 Pali: good :D Oct 03 19:27:49 how is the upstreaming process developing? Oct 03 19:28:02 freemangordon, two features missing: 1) display brightness support 2) battery charging Oct 03 19:28:24 after changes I will resend patches again Oct 03 19:28:54 I can write battery charging support (rewrite charge21.sh to u-boot) Oct 03 19:29:21 but for display brightness is needed to write function for communication via SPI Oct 03 19:30:36 Do I need to kill any daemons before moving the message db (el-v1.db) and replacing it? Oct 03 19:32:04 no Oct 03 19:32:15 somply move it Oct 03 19:32:28 It doesn't get written to until... some special time? Oct 03 19:32:31 just *then* reboot Oct 03 19:32:39 ah, okay! Oct 03 19:33:26 keep a backup! Oct 03 19:33:52 also better do a bm full backup before, just in case Oct 03 19:34:11 ~bm Oct 03 19:34:13 extra, extra, read all about it, backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 Oct 03 19:34:39 srsy? Why would I have to do that? Oct 03 19:35:24 That'll be like Gigs... I just took el-v1.db and tried to fix it's corruption... made a new db out of it. and I'll put it back and see if it worked Oct 03 19:37:35 DocScrutinizer are you saying this file might depend upon something? Oct 03 19:40:03 internetishard: nah, it's like half a gig in total Oct 03 19:43:28 I don't see why messing with this file is backup worthy... Maybe it contains something I don't know about... Oct 03 19:44:52 dafaq, wut? Oct 03 19:45:31 what's the problem with doing a bm backup? it's not like it's stored to an NFS volume anyway Oct 03 19:45:55 won't even leave your beloved N900 Oct 03 19:45:57 heh, i almost do a BM backup every time i reboot Oct 03 19:46:16 unless your remove the uSD or do a mass-storage backup of MyDocs Oct 03 19:47:40 BM is the smartest thing since sliced bread got invented Oct 03 19:47:58 and you're really supposed to use it a *lot* Oct 03 19:48:02 The slicing of bread has been deprecated Oct 03 19:48:18 for sure it's mandatory to do BM backup before messing with system files Oct 03 19:48:33 DocScrutinizer05: if only we had incremental BM backups... Oct 03 19:49:12 yes, there should be a cloud solution Oct 03 19:49:37 kerio: move all those to a single tar.gz file, the dictionary will hopefully do the rest Oct 03 19:49:39 not just for user file Oct 03 19:49:45 It would be quit easy to create Oct 03 19:49:58 and might use backupmenu as a part of the process - but automatically. Oct 03 19:50:01 FSCK CLOUD!!! >:-(( Oct 03 19:50:24 DocScrutinizer I don't follow Oct 03 19:50:30 only defined clouds are thpose in the sky Oct 03 19:50:40 aqnd those I blow when smoking Oct 03 19:51:36 a) BM can't get automated (at least not easily) since it runs during boot Oct 03 19:52:14 b) how T F is BM supposed to access any "cloud" (ooh this term!!), when it doesn't even have WLAN? Oct 03 19:52:17 It couldn't get set? Oct 03 19:52:37 I don't think it would be necessary. But yes, I'm talking about an automation 'in the cloud' solution Oct 03 19:53:08 internetishard: you obviously don't get the purpose of BM. It does a full disk image (though on file level). For this to work, nothing must mess with the disk during snapshot is taken Oct 03 19:53:10 backupmenu shouldn't be necessary, just something rsyncy Oct 03 19:53:52 *sigh* Oct 03 19:53:55 look Oct 03 19:53:56 DocScrutinizer: yeah, I got that - I was thinking it could be imaged, automatically at boot and that image would be used Oct 03 19:53:59 ~jrtools Oct 03 19:54:00 it has been said that jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Oct 03 19:54:04 at very bottom Oct 03 19:54:37 android and iOS have solutions whereby you can throw out your phone after a backup was made an easily get started with a new one Oct 03 19:54:41 and still no "cloud" of any kind involved Oct 03 19:54:58 when? Oct 03 19:55:10 Will this be easier on me if I don't use that word :P Oct 03 19:55:32 meh, I don't feel like discussing this insane and yet fuzzy maketing speak concept of "cloud" anymore Oct 03 19:55:46 I mean, I could just call it 'webservice' Oct 03 19:56:16 a webservice is something significantly different from what's originally been called cloud computing Oct 03 19:57:09 cloud computing is distributed computing resources located at a dynamic flock of small heterogenous devices Oct 03 19:57:18 spreead all over the internet Oct 03 19:57:19 like AWS Oct 03 19:57:56 originally invented by Amazon iirc Oct 03 19:58:08 or plan 9 from bell labs. Oct 03 19:58:11 The cloud was invented by amazon??? The cloud concept doesn't matter in this case. I'm just curious Oct 03 19:58:16 which is genius. Oct 03 19:58:33 Anyway, I'm just talking about an automated backup like iOS and Android Oct 03 19:58:56 that's for sure no cloud, in classic terms Oct 03 19:59:07 Would be slick. So you could break your phone, plug in a new or flash n900, and it would pull down your last (or specified) backup Oct 03 19:59:11 it a typical centralized webservice Oct 03 19:59:40 as opposed to same thing hosted on your local PC (a somewhat better concept in my book) Oct 03 20:00:35 cloud==thin client computing Oct 03 20:00:56 cloud is context dependent in my experience Oct 03 20:01:02 cloun!=backing up your loltweets to the internet. Oct 03 20:01:05 and yes, I do this quite easily: flash new N900 with BM image, sync my MyDocs backup to device, run BM restore --- done, profit! Oct 03 20:01:10 haha Oct 03 20:01:18 I knew I shouldn't have used that work Oct 03 20:01:20 word Oct 03 20:02:58 internetishard: no, seriously Oct 03 20:03:11 restoring a BM backup will give you a functionally equivalent n900 Oct 03 20:03:16 modulo BT pairings Oct 03 20:03:22 ...and that's basically it, really Oct 03 20:04:18 ~wiki cloud computing Oct 03 20:04:21 The reason the other popular phones don't use that model is because you have to manage that backup yourself. You could lose or break the phone and it would be lost. Oct 03 20:04:24 At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_computing (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{pp-move-indef}} 'Cloud computing' is the use of computing resources (hardware and software) that are delivered as a service over a network (typically the Internet). The name comes from the use of a cloud-shaped symbol as an abstraction for the complex infrastructure it contains in system diagrams. Cloud computing entrusts remote services with a user's data, software and ... Oct 03 20:04:27 and LOL for the diagram upper right Oct 03 20:04:50 also see "history" Oct 03 20:05:10 The thing is... I've setup "clouds" (using AWS and rackspace) for people - and everyone where I work seems to use the term this way... I don't feel so in the wrong. Oct 03 20:05:21 and the many different "meanings" associated today which render the term "cloud" basically meaningless Oct 03 20:06:09 so s/cloud/net/g please Oct 03 20:06:51 for [inter|intra|GPRS|younameit]net Oct 03 20:07:38 and since my rsync solution on bottom of ~jrtools for sure is no cloud based service, it is still a net service Oct 03 20:07:43 in my intranet Oct 03 20:08:33 iOS backup is called iCloud :> Oct 03 20:08:45 my ass is called iAss Oct 03 20:08:52 lol Oct 03 20:08:57 my n800 is iNeglected Oct 03 20:09:11 poor n800, community has left it for dead Oct 03 20:09:23 what about n900? Oct 03 20:09:26 nokia left for dead Oct 03 20:09:38 and all the shit it needs changed isn't open source Oct 03 20:10:07 Contacts and Messages Oct 03 20:10:24 internetishard: if i owned an iphone, i would for sure disabled that cloud backup thingy asap Oct 03 20:10:28 but the n900 is stilled loved by the community Oct 03 20:10:55 Sicelo: why? Oct 03 20:10:56 my n800 and the 810 for that matter got shafted as sson as the n900 came out, then the community had a dead Oct 03 20:11:05 I'd do so if it were insecurre Oct 03 20:11:44 internetishard: why? isn't that obvious? Oct 03 20:11:52 freemangordon: i finally found the time to test thumb2 firefox 17.0a1: while it is still a huge ram consumer, it definitely feels smoother than my previous non thumb2 firefox 14; thanks again for all your work ! Oct 03 20:12:01 who wants to store his very own private data on some alien server Oct 03 20:12:45 ok... I might have finally fixed el-v1.db's corruption. It's 18megs though so it still slows down everything... Oct 03 20:12:54 well, except of course we're talking those individuals who use google for their phonebook app anyway Oct 03 20:13:09 peetah: yeah, unfortunately XUL is memory hungry, lets see how it will develop it IPCLite Oct 03 20:24:54 I don't understand why the email program takes any time to show your current emails when the network is down and it wants to display new messages and the old emails at the same time... Oct 03 21:04:31 * ShadowJK still uses his N800 almost daily Oct 03 21:05:29 * ampharos fistbumps ShadowJK Oct 03 21:05:34 i need to get a new battery Oct 03 21:05:45 mine is shot; drains fast and uses 40% of it starting up Oct 03 21:06:50 the original batteries were never very good Oct 03 21:07:17 i got mine in about 2010, used Oct 03 21:07:36 cheaper than an N810 or N900 (those go for a lot!) Oct 03 21:07:38 on the third battery for my N810 now Oct 03 21:07:46 I've gotten new ones when they've gone down to about 60% of original capacity Oct 03 21:08:12 but I'd love to use it more, but batteries :( Oct 03 21:08:54 but it's hard to find a BP-5L that looks vguely trustworthy Oct 03 21:09:20 i only order from canada Oct 03 21:09:29 shipping is like $40 from US Oct 03 21:09:35 and no matter where customs Oct 03 21:10:30 I don't trust HK batteries Oct 03 21:10:54 I want a charge, not a chemical grenade waiting to go off Oct 03 21:11:04 customs is 0 here if total customs fees would be less than 10E Oct 03 21:11:22 customs fee would mostly be VAT of 23%, so if battery costs less than 10/.23, no customs charges Oct 03 21:20:13 freemangordon, ping Oct 03 21:20:58 trumee: pong Oct 03 21:21:24 freemangordon, E: Version '21.2011.38-1Tmaemo5.1+thumb0' for 'mp-fremantle-community-pr' was not found Oct 03 21:21:37 freemangordon, i tried to run cssu shell script Oct 03 21:21:57 trumee: edit that to be 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo5.1+thumb3 Oct 03 21:22:06 in the script that is Oct 03 21:22:21 you've waited too long to update :D Oct 03 21:25:16 freemangordon, thanks it is installing now. Oct 03 21:25:43 np. and night Oct 03 21:28:32 lol Oct 03 21:29:03 trumee waiting too long to update, incredible, impossible ;-D Oct 03 22:55:54 DocScrutinizer05: you wrote that battery charging script? if so do you remember anything about those status values? Oct 03 23:12:20 what about them? Oct 03 23:12:35 I remember an overview Oct 03 23:14:25 there's an overview in the script Oct 03 23:15:19 atleast charge2 and charge3, iirc Oct 03 23:20:29 just need to know the meaning of 0x40 Oct 03 23:20:43 look up the data sheet Oct 03 23:21:05 in a function called decode_status() no less :) Oct 03 23:21:22 or that Oct 03 23:24:41 I've never seen 0x40 Oct 03 23:25:50 * ShadowJK checks datasheet for what sspin is Oct 03 23:25:54 yeah, me neither before today Oct 03 23:27:00 and I dont have charge 2 or 3 Oct 03 23:28:21 "enable stat pin function" Oct 03 23:29:13 the default is 1, but it's turned off by bme and charge*.sh Oct 03 23:29:14 the chip probably got reset to defaults at some point Oct 03 23:31:55 hmm, you know what that stat pin function is? I mean, is it safe to charge even if the status is 0x40 Oct 03 23:33:14 I started getting that when I fixed loading order of musb modules Oct 03 23:33:33 man... after fixing the messages database (el-v1.db) my n900 is about 4x as responsive Oct 03 23:33:51 just like new Oct 03 23:34:24 :-) Oct 03 23:35:39 link internetishard? Oct 03 23:41:14 link to what? Oct 03 23:42:31 to check how to fixe the messages database :P Oct 03 23:43:31 mine was corrupt Oct 03 23:44:17 what I did was move el-v1.db to my computer, run an sqlite3 check (pragma integrity_check;) Oct 03 23:44:52 if that says it isn't okay, then you can probably benefit from dumping it to a new sql database, and then creating a new db Oct 03 23:45:00 that's all I did really Oct 03 23:47:14 Skry: iirc status pin is the one causing amber steady LED Oct 03 23:47:40 ok, weird Oct 03 23:48:24 so basically it's mirroring the status of OTG input, which in turn is driven by 1707 PHY fastcharger detect - IIRC Oct 03 23:49:24 bme is disabling it since bme and relatives are managing indicator LED patterns via system (MCE) Oct 03 23:49:52 Isn't there a sysfs entry to upload patterns into? Oct 03 23:50:05 sure Oct 03 23:51:03 but that's related to LP5523 LED controller chip, not bq24150 battery charger chip Oct 03 23:51:32 both share the (amber, aka red and green) indicator LED Oct 03 23:53:09 during emergency charging you see steady amber from bq24150, via status pin, but as soon as bme starts up (actually as soon as mce starts up) this will change, and LP5523 controls the complete LED while bq24150 is supposed to "shut up" and leave LED alone Oct 03 23:53:20 ~flatbatrecover Oct 03 23:53:21 Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered Nokia wallcharger to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with ~flatbatrecover Oct 03 23:57:25 DocScrutinizer05: so is it safe to charge even when the status is 0x40 instead of 0x90 ? Oct 04 00:03:16 status pin output and otg input are unrelated Oct 04 00:03:48 0x40 indicates no charging Oct 04 00:04:14 it should go away when script is restarted.. Oct 04 00:08:40 yes, it's always safe to charge Oct 04 00:09:17 ShadowJK: quite possible, I have forgotten about some details Oct 04 00:10:27 ShadowJK: tough I don't think status pin signals charging (in autonomous mode) when OTG pin doesn't detect D+- short Oct 04 00:21:11 DocScrutinizer05: ok, thank you. Oct 04 00:52:17 DocScrutinizer05; it does **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Oct 04 02:59:58 2012