**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Oct 09 02:59:59 2012
Oct 09 03:34:42 <iluminator105> how do you know if you running stable or testin cssu
Oct 09 03:34:49 <iluminator105> how do you know if you are running stable or testin cssu
Oct 09 03:55:33 <iluminator105> DocScrutinizer51 you there
Oct 09 03:59:42 <iluminator105> is scratchbox in the standard repos?
Oct 09 05:19:56 <Sicelo> Skry: ShadowJK .. how do you get to show that?
Oct 09 05:20:25 <Sicelo> 03:16 < Skry> could someone with some uptime check how much the 550MHz is used?
Oct 09 07:40:39 <GGon> wow
Oct 09 07:40:59 <GGon> is there a way to get the stock email app to mark all emails as read?
Oct 09 07:44:26 <GGon> guess not
Oct 09 07:44:34 <GGon> wtf? welcome to 1999?
Oct 09 07:44:36 <GGon> :)
Oct 09 07:47:15 <VDVsx> GGon, maemo4 ?
Oct 09 07:47:37 <GGon> 5
Oct 09 07:47:39 <GGon> modest
Oct 09 07:47:51 <GGon> there is no "mark all as read" option
Oct 09 07:48:05 <VDVsx> select all and then mark as read ?
Oct 09 07:48:05 <GGon> and unfortunately ms doesnt have imap support for outlook.com yet
Oct 09 07:48:09 <VDVsx> or something like that
Oct 09 07:48:23 <GGon> lol
Oct 09 07:48:43 <GGon> there is a way to select all?
Oct 09 07:48:51 <GGon> ctrl a doesnt do it
Oct 09 07:49:12 <VDVsx> I don't remember really, but I think there's a way :) don't even remember last time I used maemo5 :P
Oct 09 07:49:20 <GGon> heh
Oct 09 07:49:40 <GGon> im using my broken modem n900 tethered
Oct 09 07:49:58 <GGon> i wish i had a modern n900ish device :( i curse nokia
Oct 09 07:50:15 <GGon> someone should make a pi based phone :)
Oct 09 08:02:20 <eichi> hello! my maemo sais its needs connection to the phone suite from pc to make an os update (community version). I never did this because I dont have windows. is there a way?
Oct 09 10:14:03 <ShadowJK> eichi, it says that when there's a conflict or not enough free space, iirc
Oct 09 10:20:31 <kerio> eichi: upgrade the operator name widget first
Oct 09 10:29:58 <eichi> kerio, thanks, i will try
Oct 09 14:25:15 <Skry> Sicelo: cpufreq-info
Oct 09 14:30:26 * ShadowJK just looked in /sys
Oct 09 14:31:35 <ShadowJK> the cpuidle numbers dont make any sense to me though
Oct 09 14:35:17 <RST38h> ShadowJK: do keep in mind that these are with respect to current clock
Oct 09 14:42:06 <ShadowJK> Oh I thought they just accumulated ticks
Oct 09 14:42:48 <RST38h> yeah but these are different ticks depending on the frequency;)
Oct 09 14:43:14 <RST38h> So the running average tends to behave funny
Oct 09 14:43:42 <ShadowJK> but in like C4 frequency is 0
Oct 09 14:44:58 <RST38h> 0 idle ticks then? =)
Oct 09 14:46:25 <ShadowJK> actually it's defined as microseconds, not ticks
Oct 09 15:23:02 <FlameReaper> Anyone around?
Oct 09 16:10:41 <andre__> FlameReaper: maybe. It's easier if you ask your question directly though :)
Oct 09 16:17:23 <kgu> I'm sorry for bothering you guys again, but how do I make the switchProfile script start automatic at reboot? I have to choose 'Start' from the status menu before it runs
Oct 09 16:42:06 <DocScrutinizer51> ~tell FlameReaper about ask
Oct 09 16:42:36 <DocScrutinizer51> kgu: o.O
Oct 09 16:43:13 <DocScrutinizer51> kgu: I wasn't aware from src that it has *any* 'GUI'
Oct 09 16:43:44 <FlameReaper> Um, I was about to ask something about reflashing, but then I decided to just reflash the whole rootfs
Oct 09 16:43:50 <FlameReaper> looks like I'll be starting new again :)
Oct 09 16:44:07 <FlameReaper> Thanks for notifying me about that, will keep that in mind.
Oct 09 16:44:08 <DocScrutinizer51> ~BM
Oct 09 16:44:08 <infobot> it has been said that backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975
Oct 09 16:44:10 <kgu> DocScrutinizer51: It does - there is an icon in the status menu. I would just like it to started as default
Oct 09 16:44:38 <DocScrutinizer51> strange
Oct 09 16:45:05 <DocScrutinizer51> icon in statusmenu actually means button?
Oct 09 16:45:51 <kgu> yes, sorry
Oct 09 16:45:52 <DocScrutinizer51> I always thought it needs amnual tweaking with some (XML?) config files to even make any button show up there
Oct 09 16:46:11 <DocScrutinizer51> manual*
Oct 09 16:46:37 <DocScrutinizer51> this pyrhon scriptie seems extremely nifty
Oct 09 16:46:58 <kgu> yes, and it works :)
Oct 09 16:47:07 <DocScrutinizer51> I guess I will have to test it eventually
Oct 09 16:47:20 <DocScrutinizer51> :D
Oct 09 16:47:45 <DocScrutinizer51> works - even with yor custom profile names?
Oct 09 16:47:59 <kgu> but I guess I need to provide 'start' as action to the /etc/init.d/ script
Oct 09 16:48:07 <kgu> yes, no problem
Oct 09 16:48:51 <kgu> and guess I must have links in the runlevels too
Oct 09 16:49:56 <DocScrutinizer51> that's for sure
Oct 09 16:50:16 <kgu> I tried with "update-rc.d -f switch_backend start 99 2 3 4 5 .", but still it doesn't start at boot
Oct 09 16:50:34 <DocScrutinizer51> though, as already mentioned, I'd start it via desktop file
Oct 09 16:50:55 <kgu> Yes, maybe I should try that
Oct 09 16:52:00 <kgu> are the desktop-files always started?
Oct 09 16:52:32 <kgu> must admit I'm not to sure about how to create them correctly
Oct 09 16:52:41 <DocScrutinizer51> "d yes, I recall seeing some def start() which I think I wondered where this function ever gets called
Oct 09 16:53:26 <DocScrutinizer51> check out modest.desktop
Oct 09 16:53:38 <kgu> What function has this line in the init-script: "unset USE_UPSTART"
Oct 09 16:53:43 <DocScrutinizer51> or nrowser.desktop
Oct 09 16:54:20 <DocScrutinizer51> they contain sth like X-MAEMO-AUTOSTART
Oct 09 16:55:04 <DocScrutinizer51> (Upstart) NFC
Oct 09 16:57:55 <kgu> sorry, I don't know what that is
Oct 09 17:01:40 <DocScrutinizer05> ~nfc
Oct 09 17:01:41 <infobot> from memory, nfc is No Fucking Clue, or near field communications
Oct 09 17:01:50 <DocScrutinizer05> guess which
Oct 09 17:02:42 <kerio> Upstart - At Least It's Not Systemd!
Oct 09 17:04:23 <Gh0sty> :P
Oct 09 17:11:23 <DocScrutinizer05> kgu: 
Oct 09 17:11:26 <DocScrutinizer05> X-Maemo-Prestarted=always
Oct 09 17:11:27 <DocScrutinizer05> X-Maemo-Prestarted-Priority=2000
Oct 09 17:11:42 <DocScrutinizer05> pick Prio as you think may fit
Oct 09 17:12:10 <DocScrutinizer05> I think the higher the prio, the later in startup the process gets started
Oct 09 17:12:27 <DocScrutinizer05> aaah >>less /usr/share/applications/hildon/modest.desktop
Oct 09 17:12:38 <DocScrutinizer05> copy&edit
Oct 09 17:13:23 <DocScrutinizer05> first FIX FRIGGIN VERSION (all shame on you Nokia), "Version=1.0" is mandatory
Oct 09 17:14:15 <DocScrutinizer05> (this is version of .desktop file syntax, *NOT* version of binary started by the desktop file!!! FFS)
Oct 09 17:15:20 <kgu> thx, I will try that as last solution - it MUST be possible to do this with the init script :)
Oct 09 17:20:27 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: nothing gives a crap about the version of a .desktop though :3
Oct 09 17:20:38 <DocScrutinizer05> kerio: yes
Oct 09 17:21:05 <DocScrutinizer05> but that's no valid justification to blatantly abuse it
Oct 09 17:23:53 <DocScrutinizer05> kgu: well, if the python cranks up a funny system status menu button just out of nothing, then I guess it imports a class that implements that, and instatiates own process from that class. So it's probably that class you should look docs up to understand how to make it do on launch what otherwise you have to do by clicking that button
Oct 09 17:25:00 <DocScrutinizer05> ask merlin1991, he seems to have had a look at the code close enough to suggest edits/fixes, so I gather he has a clue what's going on there
Oct 09 17:26:08 <DocScrutinizer05> have you tried starting the python script directly in shell, maybe with --help as parameter?
Oct 09 17:27:03 <DocScrutinizer05> afaik python is rather nifty regarding semi-automatic  help integration
Oct 09 17:27:40 <kgu> '/etc/init.d/switch_backend start' work flawless
Oct 09 17:30:31 <DocScrutinizer05> I meant the python script, not the initscript
Oct 09 17:31:15 <DocScrutinizer05> init.d/* start parameter gets evaluated in the initscript
Oct 09 17:32:25 <DocScrutinizer05> I meant you copy the line in /etc/init.d/switch_backend that invokes the python "binary" directly to shell, append " --help" and fire
Oct 09 17:33:37 <DocScrutinizer05> you possibly must stop the instance that got started via initscript before you try that, though
Oct 09 17:34:02 <DocScrutinizer05> '/etc/init.d/switch_backend stop'
Oct 09 17:36:16 <DocScrutinizer05> HMMMM
Oct 09 17:36:28 <DocScrutinizer05> import sys, traceback, gobject, dbus, dbus.mainloop.glib ,os , subprocess import time, sqlite3,mafw
Oct 09 17:36:59 <DocScrutinizer05> I couldn't think which of those is meant to create a system menu item
Oct 09 17:37:51 <kgu> I think the system menu item is created by another one
Oct 09 17:38:22 <DocScrutinizer05> so how is it related to profile switcher then?
Oct 09 17:39:21 <DocScrutinizer05> (hint for lurkers: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=72876 )
Oct 09 17:39:47 <DocScrutinizer05> bbl
Oct 09 17:39:49 <DocScrutinizer05> afk
Oct 09 17:39:59 <kgu> guess this one creates the status item:
Oct 09 17:40:01 <kgu> /usr/share/applications/hildon-status-menu/switchProfByMeeting.desktop
Oct 09 17:41:03 <DocScrutinizer05> o.O
Oct 09 17:42:42 <kgu> actually this one: /usr/lib/hildon-desktop/switchProfByMeeting.py
Oct 09 17:48:25 <kerio> http://i.imgur.com/SAp0D.png oh lol
Oct 09 18:09:07 <jaska> yeah, pretty accurate
Oct 09 18:09:22 <jaska> atleast for what ive seen on debian/ubuntu
Oct 09 20:14:12 <freemangordon> Pali: ping
Oct 09 20:14:23 <Pali> freemangordon, pong
Oct 09 20:14:39 <kgu> Why is mafw-playlist-daemon started at boot? 
Oct 09 20:14:41 <freemangordon> Pali: for some reason bootreason driver cannot read atags
Oct 09 20:14:55 <freemangordon> and there is no /dev/atags, any clue?
Oct 09 20:15:14 <Pali> /dev/atags never existed
Oct 09 20:15:18 <Pali> only /proc/atags
Oct 09 20:15:26 <freemangordon> well, the same
Oct 09 20:15:45 <Pali> there is no /proc/atags?
Oct 09 20:15:51 <freemangordon> right now I am in maemo /bin/sh
Oct 09 20:15:55 <freemangordon> no, there is no
Oct 09 20:15:57 <Pali> then enable atags support in kernel
Oct 09 20:16:03 <Pali> in that meego it was
Oct 09 20:16:07 <freemangordon> 2.5.4, mind you. might be some kernel parameter
Oct 09 20:16:19 <freemangordon> *3.5.4
Oct 09 20:16:29 <Pali> atags are still used on arm
Oct 09 20:16:38 <freemangordon> CONFIG_ATAGS_PROC
Oct 09 20:16:39 <freemangordon> ?
Oct 09 20:16:42 <Pali> so it shouldnt be deleted
Oct 09 20:16:49 <Pali> maybe yes
Oct 09 20:17:00 <Pali> you can look at config file in my patch
Oct 09 20:17:30 <Pali> also do not forget to enable bootreason driver
Oct 09 20:17:35 <freemangordon> it is enabled
Oct 09 20:17:47 <freemangordon> but there is no /proc/bootreason
Oct 09 20:18:09 <freemangordon> seems like omap_get_config is failing
Oct 09 20:18:22 <Pali> then check dmesg for reason why entry was not added
Oct 09 20:19:24 <freemangordon> in sh? :D
Oct 09 20:19:33 <freemangordon> no | sign, you know
Oct 09 20:19:53 <freemangordon> booting normal, will try to find in syslog
Oct 09 20:31:22 <freemangordon> Pali: my fault, I forgot to merge atags patch (from your patch)
Oct 09 23:51:07 <FIQ|n900> hm
Oct 09 23:52:00 <FIQ|n900> since when does HAM accept .deb packages w/o the (very old) "red pill" thing?
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