**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Oct 15 03:00:02 2012 Oct 15 08:36:24 Well well. Raspi b just got its RAM memory doubled. Oct 15 08:37:57 Raimu: lol :) Oct 15 08:38:26 we are doing a group order at the moment - hope we can apply for this :) Oct 15 08:39:08 M4rtinK: Every unit b that's bought from now onwards or is in queue will be the 512MB version. Same price. Oct 15 08:39:13 http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/2180 Oct 15 08:41:51 mm, ok I'm ordering one now Oct 15 08:43:57 sick of waiting for cubie Oct 15 08:46:38 I'm still waiting for mine to ship Oct 15 08:48:19 deepy: Mm, me too. Oct 15 08:48:36 When did you order yours? Oct 15 08:48:50 I think early summer. :P Oct 15 08:49:21 June 27th here Oct 15 08:54:29 wow, signs of life Oct 15 08:54:51 Why does everyone want a Rasberry Pi so badly? What will you do with it? Oct 15 08:55:36 I'm gonna connect it to a TV Oct 15 08:55:36 We want it because of reasons. Oct 15 08:55:39 All of the reasons. Oct 15 08:55:45 given the small size of it and that it has HDMI Oct 15 08:56:04 But will BRCM release libraries so you can use it to decode video? Oct 15 08:56:30 Didn't it have a chip for HD decoding? Oct 15 08:57:08 I can't remember since the bloody thing never ships! Oct 15 08:57:09 I doubt it. Oct 15 08:57:19 Maybe an HDMI PHY, but that's different. Oct 15 08:58:26 It does have a chip that can decode a lot of video streams in hardware. Oct 15 08:58:54 Are you talking about the main SoC? Oct 15 08:58:57 I don't know the deal with the drivers, though. That's often more complicated. Oct 15 09:00:11 Yea. Oct 15 09:00:14 "If you have an outstanding order with either distributor, you will receive the upgraded device in place of the 256MB version you ordered." Oct 15 09:00:22 does that mean I'm getting a 512MBer? Oct 15 09:00:32 deepy: I believe yes. Oct 15 09:00:38 Neat Oct 15 09:00:41 Well, good luck with anything BRCM based. Oct 15 09:00:47 They released some codecs (MPEG2, VC-1) with a separately-purchasable license, and had some (MPEG4/H.264) included in the launch. Oct 15 09:01:48 The GPU provides Open GL ES 2.0, hardware-accelerated OpenVG, and 1080p30 H.264 high-profile decode. Oct 15 09:01:59 When you have it working for real, let me know. Oct 15 09:02:05 Given that 90% of my video is already in H.264 I think this will work nicely Oct 15 09:02:16 BRCM is the king of claims and faltering in delivery Oct 15 09:02:36 It should be working "for real" with omxplayer/XBMC right now. Oct 15 09:02:50 I heard there were some rather nasty issues with XBMC on RPI Oct 15 09:05:18 Any of you dudes use an N9? Oct 15 12:18:53 zeq: ?!?! Oct 15 12:19:12 I can't believe it Oct 15 12:23:21 zeq: what has happened with you man? Oct 15 13:59:15 ok. Opera 12 segfaults on my N900 Oct 15 13:59:17 :-/ Oct 15 14:27:14 when? Oct 15 16:08:34 freemangordon: zeq?? Oct 15 16:08:55 no dilusion? Oct 15 16:09:18 (hidden join/quit/nick here) Oct 15 16:10:38 http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/latest.log.html#t2012-10-15T15:14:04 \o/ Oct 15 16:10:42 http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/latest.log.html#t2012-10-15T15:39:39 :-( Oct 15 16:14:58 http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/latest.log.html#t2012-10-15T19:15:00 DocScrutinizer05 waves o/ and vanishes Oct 15 17:08:32 DocScrutinizer05: yeah, seems he is alive after all :D Oct 15 18:00:55 Pali: stupid idea: make u-boot-generate-bootmenu build an init script for every proper bootmenu-n900 entry, equivalent to preinit+bootmenu+automatic choice Oct 15 18:01:54 by stupid i mean awesome Oct 15 18:01:55 and stupid Oct 15 18:17:50 DocScrutinizer05: my backups become a lot smaller when compressed with bzip2 Oct 15 18:17:59 clearly, we should look into transparent bzip2 compression Oct 15 19:10:32 is this legit? Oct 15 19:10:35 http://www.mobilephone-spares.com/Nokia-N950-LCD-Display.html Oct 15 19:11:50 Hi everyone! Oct 15 19:11:55 hi dr nick Oct 15 19:12:51 will the n950 ever achieve the levels of greatness of the n900? Oct 15 19:13:50 doubtful as there were only a few of them produced and never really sold Oct 15 19:14:42 vi__: what kind of stupid question is that Oct 15 19:14:44 of course not Oct 15 19:14:47 i mean, duh Oct 15 19:18:20 Maybe if they'd sold them Oct 15 19:22:23 ShadowJK: yeah but, you know... elop Oct 15 19:29:13 ? Oct 15 19:30:24 vi__: ELOP Oct 15 19:33:29 eFLOP Oct 15 19:33:54 definitely Oct 15 19:33:58 STEPHEN 'COCK BLOCK' EFLOP Oct 15 19:34:59 I just want a pocket linux comouter, I have money. Why will no one sell me one? Oct 15 19:35:50 why wont the chinese people jump on this shit? Oct 15 19:36:34 vi__: they are! with android! Oct 15 19:36:37 * kerio ducks Oct 15 19:36:56 android can go suck a fuck. Oct 15 19:37:03 vi__: also the openpandora Oct 15 19:37:06 which is about as powerful as the n900 Oct 15 19:37:19 it needs to have phone. Oct 15 19:37:19 but with an embedded joypad Oct 15 19:37:38 bluetooth PAN with a recent dumbphone? Oct 15 19:37:40 android Oct 15 19:37:46 seriously Oct 15 19:37:56 no, no, android is bullshit Oct 15 19:37:59 i agree wholeheartedly Oct 15 19:38:15 n multi tasking AND fucking adverts on everything. Oct 15 19:39:14 paired with dumbphone sucks. it means you need 2 devices. Oct 15 19:41:30 I read the story of meego article. Oct 15 19:41:39 So sad. Oct 15 19:41:48 So much potential win. Oct 15 19:42:04 down the toilet. Oct 15 19:42:49 In other news, windows 8 despite the retarded interface can take a fork bomb like a champ. Oct 15 19:46:59 :D Oct 15 19:48:19 so, android is bullshit, but windows is good? Oct 15 19:50:12 no Oct 15 19:50:29 windows is a doomed platform anyway. Oct 15 19:51:03 the future belongs to an OS that is easily ported across architectures. Oct 15 19:51:08 i.e. Oct 15 19:51:15 netBSD Oct 15 19:51:35 so, why is android crap? Oct 15 19:52:07 apart from spraying personal data far and wide. Oct 15 19:52:29 apart from no even fully supporting the power domains of the arm cpu Oct 15 19:52:47 apart from not actually multi-tasking Oct 15 19:53:11 exactly Oct 15 19:53:18 apart from being a glorified JVM Oct 15 19:53:44 android is not an OS. it's an emulator. Oct 15 19:53:55 apart from actually being closed sorce where it counts. Oct 15 19:54:12 vi__: you mean like maemo? Oct 15 19:54:33 teotwaki: maemo is FAR from perfect Oct 15 19:54:42 however it is the best so far. Oct 15 19:54:56 a nice, easy to use OS. Oct 15 19:55:12 I've played around with the Note 2 Oct 15 19:55:17 And I really liked it Oct 15 19:55:41 cool, does it have cron, awk, sed and/or grep? Oct 15 19:56:46 I mostly use ics (cm9) on my touchpad. I hate it. The browser is just so much better than on webOS Oct 15 19:56:59 no idea about cron Oct 15 19:57:09 but cyanogenmod does provide bash Oct 15 19:58:41 vi__: ^ Oct 15 19:58:43 now here is a Q. Oct 15 19:58:57 I can get bash on windows. Oct 15 19:59:19 shanttu: I really enjoy my touchpad, just feels underpowered. That, and I bricked the application manager Oct 15 19:59:37 However it is more or less useless because controlling 'dows from the cmd is undocumented and clunky. Oct 15 20:00:10 Is bash on android any use? Oct 15 20:00:27 Can I just start programs willy nilly? Oct 15 20:00:41 can I run scripts to control everything? Oct 15 20:01:11 vi__: well, you have a castrated reimplementation of busybox Oct 15 20:01:28 StyXman: he's talking about Android, not Maemo. Oct 15 20:01:35 teotwaki: me too Oct 15 20:01:42 maemo *has* busybox Oct 15 20:01:56 android has... bionic, was it called? Oct 15 20:01:57 oh, right. Oct 15 20:02:03 on maemo, busybox is very functional. Oct 15 20:02:12 ~messybox Oct 15 20:02:12 messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su, passwd) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils Oct 15 20:02:22 or was that the name of the castrated reimplementation of µ-libc? Oct 15 20:02:33 you can spam dbus and conrol the phone over ssh. Oct 15 20:02:54 I am asking, do you have that same level of control with android. Oct 15 20:02:56 ? Oct 15 20:03:06 teotwaki: and then you can install awk sed, grep, bash, etc on maemo Oct 15 20:03:30 on android, I don't see it coming Oct 15 20:03:42 maybe with cyanogenmod Oct 15 20:03:45 dunno, really Oct 15 20:03:56 StyXman: dont forget idont's "full fat" busybox. Oct 15 20:04:01 I saw how was a barebones android 2 years ago Oct 15 20:04:06 so the answer is no? Oct 15 20:04:24 bash is but a useless novelty then? Oct 15 20:04:34 sorry, ash. Oct 15 20:05:32 but then, I think maemo and android aim to two different markets Oct 15 20:05:43 android aims to smartphones for dumb people Oct 15 20:05:50 obviously. Oct 15 20:05:52 (ok, take out the dumb part) Oct 15 20:06:04 while maemo is more like a portable computer with 3g Oct 15 20:06:08 android is retard devices for retarded population. Oct 15 20:06:26 vi__: well, I guess the hw is ok Oct 15 20:06:30 maybe so Oct 15 20:06:37 the hardware rules. Oct 15 20:06:43 but in the end, the hw you get on the note 2 blows anything else on the market out of the water Oct 15 20:06:59 but it's clear from the fact that there are not many (3, maybe) models with keyboard Oct 15 20:07:00 heck, the note 2 has more horsepower than the laptop i'm typing this on Oct 15 20:07:16 could you imagine debian+hildon+motorola atrix? Oct 15 20:08:39 teotwaki: that is what is so wrong with android. We now have these pocket sized computers that exceed the power of desktops from only a decade ago. Oct 15 20:09:07 Except they don't have a fully functioning OS. Oct 15 20:09:16 vi__: +1 Oct 15 20:09:29 yes, it would be nice, probably Oct 15 20:09:45 then let's make it Oct 15 20:09:54 I mean, how hard can it be? Oct 15 20:10:20 It is like taking the steering wheel and pedals out of a bugatti veyron and replacing them with a boat tiller. Oct 15 20:11:00 teotwaki: I know you are being obtuse. Oct 15 20:12:08 what I would do for an atrix/maemo crossover. Oct 15 20:12:38 My laptop broke and the n900 has been my only computer for months now. Oct 15 20:13:02 I'm being obtuse? Oct 15 20:13:09 If only I could plug it into a real monitor. Oct 15 20:13:39 maybe a moto droid 3 Oct 15 20:14:06 teotwaki: You are a software developer, you know how hard developing new hardware is. Oct 15 20:14:13 displaylink? Oct 15 20:14:35 vi__: I know most of the software is there Oct 15 20:14:35 Skry: no one seems to know if it works for the n900. Oct 15 20:14:48 vi__: it's just a matter of getting it on the hardware Oct 15 20:14:53 teotwaki: and the hardware is too. Oct 15 20:15:11 teotwaki: I thought you meant start from scratch. Oct 15 20:15:12 ah, droid 4 Oct 15 20:16:01 and if you don't stop being so condescending towards me, I'll get you off this channel in two commands. Oct 15 20:16:13 top spec android phone+linux=STFU&take my money. Oct 15 20:16:14 Hi Oct 15 20:16:26 teotwaki: me? Oct 15 20:16:29 Where's that ngrep snafu777 talked about? Oct 15 20:16:32 aye Oct 15 20:16:57 teotwaki: chill out. I think there has been a misunderstanding. Oct 15 20:17:13 no Oct 15 20:17:21 you act like a douche Oct 15 20:17:31 you piss on everything everyone's done Oct 15 20:17:36 wtf? Oct 15 20:17:37 maemo is dead Oct 15 20:17:40 meego is dead Oct 15 20:17:45 jolla is vaporware Oct 15 20:18:42 debian runs on the galaxy tab Oct 15 20:18:56 and android is actually nice to use Oct 15 20:19:00 nicer than maemo has ever been Oct 15 20:19:14 and yes, I do mean shiny polish Oct 15 20:19:24 but fuck me, i'm tired of ugly interfaces Oct 15 20:20:31 if nobody worked their arse off on maemo, it would be a god damn piece of shit, exactly the same as what you perceive android to be right now Oct 15 20:21:06 remember the optification disaster? Oct 15 20:21:23 what I don't like in android (ok, at least from 2 years ago) is that most apps only use google services. if oyu have your own mail, maps, whatever, you're out of luck Oct 15 20:21:31 I dont't understand why you are ranting. Oct 15 20:24:31 i'm ranting because if the people who worked their magic on maemo had spent half the time they spent bitching about android actually trying to improve android, it would be awesome Oct 15 20:24:57 work for free for google? Oct 15 20:25:33 wmarone_: oh fuck off, like we didn't work for free for nokia Oct 15 20:25:57 teotwaki: are you qwerty12? Oct 15 20:26:04 no Oct 15 20:26:11 you're as angry and immature as he is Oct 15 20:26:30 never quite see someone go out in as spiteful a firework show as that Oct 15 20:27:03 wmarone_: well, re-read qwerty's last words, he left a paragraph for me Oct 15 20:27:16 no thanks Oct 15 20:27:31 Colour me sour, I'm just tired of people bitching about android, but not doing anything to fix things. Oct 15 20:27:38 in any case, ranting about Nokia now is stupid Oct 15 20:27:57 teotwaki: you can't fix what's wrong with Android because it's systemic and developed behind closed doors by Google Oct 15 20:28:02 maemo nice meego ok whats next jolla or tizen Oct 15 20:28:17 jolla is vapourware Oct 15 20:28:18 teotwaki: oh wait...? you are THE french guy on IRC?? Oct 15 20:28:31 vi__: except i'm not french, but yes. Oct 15 20:28:32 I always assumed it was DocScrutinizer Oct 15 20:28:37 Doc is german Oct 15 20:28:44 I know. Oct 15 20:29:00 hello i have posted in the n900 uboot ubuntu 12.04/12.10 forums and i just cant seem to get palis uboot to boot any menu entries im so confused on this, ubuntu boots when i use just the cmd boot, or run sdboot, maemo will not boot off emmc and i have partitioned nitdroid on the emmc as well and nothing will boot, i just reflashed my phone Oct 15 20:29:16 please help if anyone can, i am so frusterated with myself Oct 15 20:29:43 o.O Oct 15 20:29:49 anyway, going to make food, bbiab Oct 15 20:31:53 any help would be great, thanks everyone Oct 15 20:33:11 plourde: ask Pali Oct 15 20:33:23 but ask Oct 15 20:33:27 ~ask Oct 15 20:33:27 Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. Oct 15 20:34:15 DocScrutinizer05, sorry I do not have time. I'm trying to solve: https://www.spoj.pl/problems/PLHOP/ Oct 15 20:34:25 eeeeek Oct 15 20:34:42 prolly some modular arithmetic Oct 15 20:35:31 im so confused on how to get anything to boot, beeen trying for a while with no luck, i just need to understand how to set up the bootmenu,item properly Oct 15 20:37:01 hte main problem is: bootmenu.d is not meant for configuring uBoot Oct 15 20:38:22 err it is Oct 15 20:38:24 you drop your stuff Oct 15 20:38:34 then you run u-boot-update-bootmenu Oct 15 20:38:34 it's just a location where multiboot stores some crap, and uBoot tries to convert this to a proper config that behaves similar to multiboot Oct 15 20:39:05 merlin1991: that's exactly the flaw in uBoot concept as we got it right now Oct 15 20:39:18 ok so what should i do, i am going to try installing again, i tried to use palis tarball as well with the kernels and nothing worked, also i did the u-boot-update-bootmenu they added and nothing would boot Oct 15 20:40:45 merlin1991: it's like telling firefox users to edit bookmark in msie and then import them from there Oct 15 20:41:14 used dkpg -i to install his 2 packages and tried adding his tarball package and it showed up in the menu and so did the ones it found but none would actually boot to an OS Oct 15 20:42:15 plourde: sorry, I don't know what's currently suggested procedure to get uBoot configured and installed correctly Oct 15 20:43:01 I'd edit the original uBoot menu script all day, rather then messing with bootmenu.d/* and u-boot-update-bootmenu Oct 15 20:43:10 i have tried to read the forums i just cant figure it out, im pathetic lol, driving me mad actually. Oct 15 20:43:45 i just dont know how to do any of this, i truly have read a lot, the old uboot pr13 works, but in that case i cant add nitdroid, using palis uboot i can Oct 15 20:43:52 plourde: which hw revision do you have? Oct 15 20:43:55 also which version of u-boot did you try to install Oct 15 20:44:11 that's just because they are not explaining what's actually going on, and suggest editing firefox bookmarks via ms internet explorer Oct 15 20:44:41 i have the latest cssu stable installed Oct 15 20:44:51 because there is a known problem with hw revisions other than 2101 and u-boot that prevents booting any kernel (except really recent ones) on a specific version of u-boot Oct 15 20:45:47 plourde: check what you have in /proc/component_version Oct 15 20:46:15 DocScrutinizer05: how exactly is it different from let's say current grub? Oct 15 20:46:27 s/let's/lets/ Oct 15 20:46:28 merlin1991 meant: DocScrutinizer05: how exactly is it different from lets say current grub? Oct 15 20:46:46 you also edit files in /etc/grub.d or something and then run update-grub Oct 15 20:46:47 i check Oct 15 20:47:17 i know how to use grub to a small extent lol but this is rough, i just reflashed my phone again and was going to update the cssu update stable again Oct 15 20:47:31 merlin1991: that's maybe same procedure, but a completely different background Oct 15 20:47:44 err why? Oct 15 20:48:07 because bootmenu.d is property of bootmenu, first instance Oct 15 20:48:48 and particularly because uBoot wouldn't need any update-uboot Oct 15 20:49:07 it has a script that's meant to be human readable and editable Oct 15 20:49:32 so if I do a $package that creates an entry in /etc/$package which would be a perfectly sane name for the new $packagey I own that directory or what? Oct 15 20:50:08 if you say so Oct 15 20:50:18 sorry parser-error Oct 15 20:50:19 DocScrutinizer05: editing firefox bookmarks through ie? Oct 15 20:50:31 what is this? Oct 15 20:50:39 that's what uBoot u-boot-update-bootmenu does Oct 15 20:51:00 so what are the steps i should take for a proper boot menu, update lastest css stable, then what? Oct 15 20:51:31 the uboot suggested procedure is to edit bootmenu.d/* entries and then **import** that from bootmenu to uBoot Oct 15 20:52:06 [2012-10-15 22:45:47] plourde: check what you have in /proc/component_version Oct 15 20:52:08 when I boot my n900 with kbd open I see a menu that says 1. maemo, 2. backup menu. It is black text on white background. Oct 15 20:52:10 plourde: see if you have hw revision 2101 or not Oct 15 20:52:19 do I have uboot installed? Oct 15 20:52:33 no Oct 15 20:52:40 it appeared when I installed kp51. Oct 15 20:52:44 do i need root to check proc/component Oct 15 20:52:47 you got backupmenu installed I'd think Oct 15 20:52:55 err, scratch that Oct 15 20:52:57 ty Oct 15 20:53:04 just started fresh again, no uboot yet Oct 15 20:53:12 plourde: nope works as user just cat it Oct 15 20:53:37 not sure how to cat it, cd /proc/ ? Oct 15 20:53:40 vi__: I can't tell what you got installed Oct 15 20:54:03 plourde: just cat /proc/component_version Oct 15 20:54:16 type: cat /proc/componen* Oct 15 20:54:34 and enter Oct 15 20:54:45 hw build is 2204 Oct 15 20:54:50 yeah Oct 15 20:54:55 problem Oct 15 20:55:06 it's not you Oct 15 20:55:10 it's your hw-rev Oct 15 20:55:21 so what now? hmm Oct 15 20:55:29 get newest uBoot Oct 15 20:55:35 afaik it's fixed there Oct 15 20:55:42 ask Pali Oct 15 20:55:55 or freemangordon, or merlin1991 Oct 15 20:56:00 from where? i downloaded directly from pali's post on rx 51 uboot Oct 15 20:56:06 plourde: gimme a sec Oct 15 20:56:11 thanks so much Oct 15 20:56:14 yw Oct 15 20:56:22 sorry for the inconvenience Oct 15 20:57:33 always going to have some sort of issue to start lol i just couldnt figure anything out it was so hard on the brain, i always figured out grub and grub2 menu's this i just couldnt figure out Oct 15 20:58:02 plourde: you installed nitroid. Oct 15 20:58:03 it's basically all same as grub Oct 15 20:58:03 plourde: btw the real "menu" that is used is bootmenu.src in MyDocs Oct 15 20:58:17 you were asking for pain. Oct 15 20:58:17 yep Oct 15 20:58:39 and that bootmenu.src in MyDocs is what should get edited by user Oct 15 20:58:44 /etc/bootmenu.d + u-boot-update-bootmenu is just a nicer way to handle things (it generates the bootmenu.src in the end) Oct 15 20:58:51 not some random bootmenu.d/* files Oct 15 20:59:04 i had repartitioned emmc to allow nitdroid to be on it, 8g 21 g custom flash i believe was used Oct 15 20:59:09 for more application room Oct 15 20:59:30 bootmenu.d is for bootmenu - you beg for truble with bootmenu when you mess with the files in there Oct 15 21:00:11 ok Oct 15 21:00:15 good to know Oct 15 21:00:16 I don't see how that could happen if you have u-boot installed, since u-boot or bootmenu both go into the same flash area afaik Oct 15 21:00:28 thus there is no bootmenu when u-boot is installed Oct 15 21:00:32 * merlin1991 could be wrong though Oct 15 21:00:47 bootmenus show up they just dont boot to maemo Oct 15 21:00:54 in bootmenu.d you configure bootmenu, like in ie your configure ie bookmarks. you don't configure firefox bookamrks in ie and then export to firefox - you don't edit uBoot config in bootmenu.d and then export Oct 15 21:01:27 plourde: http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/u-boot/u-boot-2012.10-rc3-1+zImage-2.6.28-omap1.fiasco Oct 15 21:01:30 problem is i dont know how to do it i guess Oct 15 21:01:42 merlin1991: that's ultra-nonsense: bootmenu is a userland app Oct 15 21:01:44 if you flash that you should be able to boot everything again Oct 15 21:01:52 see [23:00:32] -*- merlin1991 could be wrong though Oct 15 21:01:58 i downloaded the file, what do i do with it? Oct 15 21:02:06 user flasher to flash it to the device Oct 15 21:02:15 bootmenu is a script called by preinit Oct 15 21:02:16 im sorry for the stupid questions Oct 15 21:02:57 use ubuntu to flash it to the device? Oct 15 21:02:59 multiboot "exploits" bootmenu, and uBoot in fact reads out multiboot entries in bootmenu Oct 15 21:03:42 plourde: ubuntu or whatever you prefer .) Oct 15 21:04:28 i have flasher 3.5 on ubuntu, so would i use this cmd, flasher-3.5 -F FILENAME -f -R ? Oct 15 21:04:41 yep Oct 15 21:04:48 merlin1991: I could have arbitrary other config in my bootmenu.d which is neither relevant to applicable for uBoot. And I could want uBoot config that for sure I don't want to see in bootmenu.d/* Oct 15 21:05:18 and you could just not run the update script and instead edit hte bootmenu.src and be happy Oct 15 21:05:22 nobody tells you to use it Oct 15 21:05:25 s/to /nor / Oct 15 21:05:26 DocScrutinizer05 meant: merlin1991: I could have arbitrary other config in my bootmenu.d which is neither relevant nor applicable for uBoot. And I could want uBoot config that for sure I don't want to see in bootmenu.d/* Oct 15 21:05:54 merlin what commands to flash this fiasco image? Oct 15 21:06:12 merlin1991: right, except the "guides" on wiki and who-knows-where-else Oct 15 21:06:13 plourde: exactly what you wrote Oct 15 21:06:35 thats it? i know sometimes when its emmc based you dont use the -R Oct 15 21:06:38 which tell everybody to do exactly that: mess with bootmenu config to edit uboot config Oct 15 21:06:48 DocScrutinizer05: let me rephrase nobody forces you to use it Oct 15 21:07:15 wrong: update-uboot is called in postinstall of uboot Oct 15 21:07:57 firefox asks "shall I import msie bookmarks?" Oct 15 21:08:05 uBoot doesn't ask Oct 15 21:08:08 also jsut saying, but bootmenu loads /etc/bootmenu.conf not /etc/bootmenu.d/* Oct 15 21:08:35 so after i flash this fiasco image, should i install kernel power 51r1? this is the newest uboot so i dont need to do anything else correct? flash this normally holding down u as i start my phone and flash it, then reboot? Oct 15 21:08:40 whatever, I never looked in contemporary uBoot Oct 15 21:09:00 plourde: NO Oct 15 21:09:11 plourde: flash it by turning off your phone, start the flasher command on the pc and plug in the usb cord Oct 15 21:09:36 you don't flash any other kernel, that will nuke your uBoot Oct 15 21:09:53 uBoot comes with own kernel Oct 15 21:10:04 the other kernels will be image.bin files Oct 15 21:10:05 plourde: also you only have to install kernel power 51r1 if you want it, but be sure not to install the -flasher pkg but the -bootimg package Oct 15 21:10:28 ^^^ bootimg Oct 15 21:10:36 ==image.bin Oct 15 21:10:46 thats what i though, so phone off first, no other kernels either or it fried, ok perfect going to try now on linux computer, ok the small 168kb file is the kernel power just not the multiboot image Oct 15 21:10:59 do NOT _flash_ a new kernel after installing uBoot Oct 15 21:11:23 no i mean before i flash this image install kp51r1? Oct 15 21:11:30 neither Oct 15 21:12:15 the kernel that comes piggyback with uBoot is a stock kernel afaik, it will want to find stock kernel modules in your rootfs Oct 15 21:12:33 ok so just flash this image and reboot? Oct 15 21:12:35 DocScrutinizer05: that would still work even if he installs kp51r1 Oct 15 21:12:38 plourde: yes Oct 15 21:12:40 so you should install stock maemo kernel before you flash uBoot Oct 15 21:12:48 DocScrutinizer05: no Oct 15 21:12:57 ok, I stand corrected Oct 15 21:12:58 im confused lol Oct 15 21:13:04 plourde: just flash and reboot Oct 15 21:13:11 ok, no kp then Oct 15 21:13:11 do what merlin says Oct 15 21:13:38 the kp allows the overclock which was nice, i wasnt sure, im sorry for all of this everyone Oct 15 21:13:55 ~oc Oct 15 21:13:56 i heard oc is an Optical Carrier, An OC1 has 672 channels or 44.736 Mbit/s Oct 15 21:14:04 damn where's hte overclock quote? Oct 15 21:14:11 ~omap-oc Oct 15 21:14:12 methinks omap-oc is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-08-01.log.html#t2010-08-01T22:16:05 read that!, or and this http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-03-11.log.html#t2011-03-11T03:04:11 Oct 15 21:14:17 basically it comes down to overlocking is bad for your health ;) Oct 15 21:14:47 ~overclock Oct 15 21:14:47 I overclock in winter to keep dpkg's toes warm. Oct 15 21:15:07 lol Oct 15 21:15:13 so dont overclock then Oct 15 21:15:48 ~overclocking Oct 15 21:15:49 "OK, listen up. This is your CPU." apt drops the CPU into a hot frying pan. "This is your CPU on overclocking. Any questions?" Oct 15 21:15:51 you guys are miles above me for this stuff, i do osx86 a lot thats the extend to my programming capabilities lol Oct 15 21:15:54 I overclock 125-500MHz. Oct 15 21:16:07 lol Oct 15 21:16:41 who wrote that ~overclocking? Oct 15 21:16:53 ~factinfo overclocking Oct 15 21:16:53 overclocking -- created by greycat