**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Oct 25 03:00:01 2012 Oct 25 05:35:32 DocScrutinizer05: to be fair, pidof bme_RX-51 is a lot more solid Oct 25 07:36:09 ~ugt Oct 25 07:36:09 from memory, ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html Oct 25 07:44:25 I've done that for the past 11 years Oct 25 07:52:24 kerio: sure, but that doesn't help with our compatibility issues with busybox Oct 25 08:13:49 hey guys Oct 25 11:28:12 wtf Oct 25 11:28:16 how do I register? Oct 25 11:54:27 Does anyone know of a replacement for LaTeX which is _not_ filled with rendering bugs? Oct 25 11:57:19 * lardman ponders when a tablet with a GPU that supports OpenCL will be available Oct 25 11:58:26 i wonder whats going on Oct 25 11:58:35 phone has been very "choppy" ui-wise since last reboot Oct 25 11:58:55 like scrolling something has a 1s lag before anything happens Oct 25 11:59:21 it keeps on stuttering Oct 25 11:59:49 ps? Oct 25 12:00:23 nothing unusual Oct 25 12:00:38 ah Oct 25 12:00:48 sgx hardware recovery triggered spamming in dmesg Oct 25 12:02:38 awkward Oct 25 12:02:51 i dont have any transition stuff enabled either Oct 25 12:03:11 wonder if reboot fixes it :| Oct 25 12:04:48 dont think ive ever had that before Oct 25 12:04:55 and i havent touched kernel or anything related in ages Oct 25 12:08:11 I do seem to remember this happening in the old days, but can't for the life of me remember why Oct 25 12:08:48 yeah i remember people getting it long ago.. just never had it before. hopefully wont start happening too often :( Oct 25 12:10:21 may have been related to plugins or other home screen stuff Oct 25 12:10:35 something that the opengl backend didn't like very much Oct 25 12:10:41 hmm Oct 25 12:11:01 sounds random.. ahvent used anything atypical. Oct 25 12:11:21 reboot and see what happens in that case Oct 25 12:11:29 use the good old Windows mantra ;) Oct 25 12:11:30 yeah i rebooted.. it stopped acting up for now Oct 25 12:11:50 the driver was pretty buggy, so these things happen Oct 25 12:12:09 lardman: heya Oct 25 12:12:20 hey teotwaki, how's things? Oct 25 12:12:25 good good Oct 25 12:12:31 It's crashanddie, by the way Oct 25 12:12:35 I know ;) Oct 25 12:12:37 ok Oct 25 12:12:42 how are things? Long time no see Oct 25 12:13:08 Work's busy, daughter is 14 months old and we don't get much sleep, but all in all not bad Oct 25 12:13:24 so buying a house was for the kiddo! I knew it! Oct 25 12:13:33 would be better with some up to date tablet/phone hardware to play with mind you Oct 25 12:13:48 nah didn't buy, still renting until I see what happens re my contract Oct 25 12:13:54 ah Oct 25 12:14:01 You were looking, though, weren't you? Oct 25 12:14:08 * ShadowJK hopes jolla comes out with something sane and sensible Oct 25 12:14:32 we sold up and moved out of a flat, which would have been bad with the buggy, looked and didn't see anything worth buying, so moved to a rental just before D-day Oct 25 12:14:59 and still there (and bulging at the seams!) Oct 25 12:15:06 Am currently looking, to buy. I tried to buy last week, but I got one-upped. Oct 25 12:15:13 * lardman also hopes Jolla comes out with something Oct 25 12:15:26 teotwaki: oh dear, sorry to hear that Oct 25 12:15:29 I hope they do too, but still put a vapourware sticker on that. Oct 25 12:16:17 Well, I put a bid under the value of the house, I knew it was risky, I didn't think someone else would make an offer the exact same day I did, though. Oct 25 12:16:41 they didn't come back to you for a counter offer? Oct 25 12:16:57 where are you buying? France? Oct 25 12:18:22 I am currently looking at tablets, and wondering what the state of GPU driver support is like, while also thinking of holding off for a Mali T6xx with OpenCL support (which would be pretty cool) Oct 25 12:19:18 lardman: yeah, looking to buy in southern France, the prices are low, and the market is good (not many people buying, nor able to get loans). I managed to get a pretty low-interest loan, so I could buy an entry-level house off in roughly 10-15 years. Oct 25 12:19:47 cool :) Oct 25 12:19:49 And that's only with my salary, my girlfriend still studying and all. Oct 25 12:20:22 So that would mean that around age 40, we could purchase a second house, while renting out the first, with two salaries. Oct 25 12:21:07 anyway, rebooting to install LMDE Oct 25 12:21:10 or sell up and buy a bigger house! ;) Oct 25 12:21:21 might get back on IRC while installing, give me a few. Oct 25 12:21:34 cool, nice to chat Oct 25 12:22:57 * lardman curses Google for leaving out a backward facing camera in the Nexus Oct 25 12:24:08 I also wonder whether the rumours are true about a larger Samsung Nexus tablet Oct 25 12:24:27 * lardman goes to see whether the method of flashing kernel + rootfs has changed since the Tab 1.0 Oct 25 13:00:03 lardman: everything but the hole in the back, the connector, the camera module and screwa are there for the back can Oct 25 13:00:34 oh really, wow Oct 25 13:00:43 strange they didn't just leave a hole for it then Oct 25 13:01:25 no point having a pointless hole in the back Oct 25 13:01:46 but reengineering the other stuff would have had a cost Oct 25 13:01:49 ah sorry I misread, though you meant only the hole was missing, not the components too Oct 25 13:02:26 yah, the moduke/connector aren't there Oct 25 13:02:43 e.g. http://www.androidauthority.com/google-nexus-7-jelly-bean-tablet-design-includes-back-camera-104203/ just saw the hole in question Oct 25 13:04:06 I have a USB battery pack. Oct 25 13:04:10 it's quite obvious when you open the back what it's for Oct 25 13:04:19 I plug it into my n900 and nothing happens. Oct 25 13:04:40 that is, no 'charging' message and now charging icon. Oct 25 13:05:00 However if I use the bq2x00 script, it clearly shows the device is charging. Oct 25 13:05:22 how is this possible? Oct 25 13:05:55 that is, no 'charging' message and no charging icon or LED. Oct 25 13:05:59 is the charging icon only shown then the current in>>current out Oct 25 13:06:28 so you may be supplying a current equal to that currently being used, and therefore not triggering the charging inidcators? Oct 25 13:07:19 vi_: seems that even without D+- short the bq24150 starts charging sometimes, when VBUS present Oct 25 13:07:19 what does the script show for the battery pack vs usual wall wart? Oct 25 13:07:53 and that was the other option, it won't tell you it's charging unless the USB cable is correctly detected Oct 25 13:08:24 vi_: replug! Oct 25 13:08:33 DocScrutinizer05: I have done several times. Oct 25 13:08:38 vi_: ok Oct 25 13:08:49 so I guess it's not D+- shorted Oct 25 13:08:50 I know it is charging, I thought it was a bit odd that it has given no indication of this though. Oct 25 13:09:19 d+- are not shorted, it is using a standard USB cable. Oct 25 13:09:22 ... Oct 25 13:09:32 Don't know about the external battery pack though. Oct 25 13:09:51 vi_: the bq24150 starts charging quasi-autonomously. Even when BME and evil friends don't think there's any proper charging source Oct 25 13:10:04 DocScrutinizer05: good...i think. Oct 25 13:10:28 vi_: a charger without D+- short is basically a USB host that doesn't reply, so probably the whole crap in N900 waits for ENUM Oct 25 13:11:10 DocScrutinizer05: way to miss out a case in the if/else. Oct 25 13:11:27 please rephrase Oct 25 13:12:03 if(this){do this} else {that} Oct 25 13:12:19 If it gets stuck at 'that' forever, then it is no good. Oct 25 13:12:20 o.O Oct 25 13:13:16 you might be right. I'm missing any question though, also don't see the relation to BME/charging Oct 25 13:13:36 DocScrutinizer05> vi_: a charger without D+- short is basically a USB Oct 25 13:13:36 host that doesn't reply, so probably the whole crap Oct 25 13:13:38 in N900 waits for ENUM Oct 25 13:14:12 if(D+- shorted){wait to enumerate, FOREVER} Oct 25 13:14:16 sorry, I still don't get it Oct 25 13:14:35 DocScrutinizer05: nevermind, it was just a comment. Oct 25 13:15:29 a) if !(D+- shorted); b) what would be a proper timeout for waiting for ENUM? Oct 25 13:16:00 I don't know. Oct 25 13:16:11 But I am sure waiting for things forever is a poor choice. Oct 25 13:16:16 and - more relevant - what would be a good action to execute on timeout? Oct 25 13:19:37 anyway, funny enough I've seen that "PCsuite / assRage?" requester several times when plugging in or unplugging(!) wallcharger too slowly, so leading contacts for GND/VBUS made contact before D+ and D- to detect short on those Oct 25 13:20:26 'assrage'? Oct 25 13:20:31 the whole contraption is rather wacky on niche cases Oct 25 13:20:36 is that like a bully ramming? Oct 25 13:20:37 * RST38h moos Oct 25 13:20:43 MassSTOrage Oct 25 13:20:56 hello Oct 25 13:21:09 Doc:It did look better without your correction Oct 25 13:21:22 heh Oct 25 13:21:32 ~assrage Oct 25 13:21:55 ~seen your assrage Oct 25 13:22:03 vi_: i haven't seen 'your assrage' Oct 25 13:22:11 no? Oct 25 13:23:04 ~assrage is like mASSstoRAGE Oct 25 13:23:04 DocScrutinizer05: okay Oct 25 13:23:32 cya l8r Oct 25 13:23:59 ponder standing for council!!! Oct 25 13:24:51 who, you? Oct 25 13:25:25 vi_: did you try comcache on your second device? Oct 25 13:25:33 It has not arrived :( Oct 25 13:25:37 :( Oct 25 13:25:39 I am totally miffed. Oct 25 13:26:03 I might have to buy a 3rd. Oct 25 13:26:12 BTW ShadowJK tried it and it was ok. If we count no kernel oops as OK :D:D:D Oct 25 13:26:29 freemangordon: How did it perform? Oct 25 13:26:47 freemangordon: Also I am not entirely clear as to what you have changed. Oct 25 13:26:59 Ask him, I am still not convinced it wirths the effort Oct 25 13:27:03 *worths Oct 25 13:27:13 I only briefly tested it, but I got the impression fennec was faster Oct 25 13:27:29 ShadowJK: so you used backing swap? Oct 25 13:27:50 It's for sure better than the normal ramzswap backing swap Oct 25 13:28:04 freemangordon: is there any chance you could enable compcache statistics, at least for some of these testing versions? Oct 25 13:28:26 I would very much like to know how many pages are compressed, sent to backing swap etc. Oct 25 13:28:47 it is way better, but still worse than using normal swap on uSD with tweaked stuff in /proc/sys/vm Oct 25 13:29:10 vi_: I changed the driver so much, that thoses stats are almost meaningless Oct 25 13:29:14 ok Oct 25 13:29:17 *those Oct 25 13:29:49 vi_: lemme try to find the logs with explanation how it works now Oct 25 13:30:41 apparently I have to get mrs vi_ an n900 now. Oct 25 13:30:56 vi_: my mrs loves the n900 Oct 25 13:31:37 ShadowJK: on which channel did we discuss this morning? Oct 25 13:31:47 no idea Oct 25 13:32:01 teotwaki: what does she like about it? Oct 25 13:32:37 ShadowJK: aah, it was not this morning, but yesterday Oct 25 13:32:41 nevermind Oct 25 13:32:58 vi_: the battery life, the conversations (sms), the keyboard, the fact she can use her nails on the screen instead of her finger. Oct 25 13:34:25 I never thought I would hear someone praise the n900 ob batterylife! Oct 25 13:34:42 vi_: well, she compares it to my blackberry. Oct 25 13:36:26 vi_: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2012-10-25.log.html#t2012-10-25T00:34:47 Oct 25 13:36:42 that is (roughly) how it works now Oct 25 13:37:26 freemangordon: ty Oct 25 13:37:42 vi_: n900 battery life with SR on and -thumb is hardly to be beaten Oct 25 13:38:14 (symbian devices excluded :D ) Oct 25 13:38:49 how much of the stuff is thumb-compiled in that case? Oct 25 13:39:04 installing LMDE, 10 minutes. Updating LMDE's packages on one of the mirrors, 10 minutes. Updating LMDE's Debian-imported packages from linuxmint.com? 2 hours. Oct 25 13:39:12 should probably update my partial cssu thingy Oct 25 13:39:28 jaska: depends on what do you mean by saying "stuff" Oct 25 13:39:37 Some things in life can't wait, for everything else, there's slow-ass overloaded servers. Courtesy of Eurocard/Mastercard. Oct 25 13:39:57 i mean, wouldnt quite a bit need to be thumbed for it to make any meaningful difference in power use Oct 25 13:40:06 jaska: thumb thread on TMO has almost full list of thumb-compiled packages Oct 25 13:41:01 jaska: not neccessarily, it is enough that lots of libs shared by every executeble are thumb Oct 25 13:41:11 i.e clutter, gtk, qt Oct 25 13:41:16 along with X sever Oct 25 13:41:19 *server Oct 25 13:41:33 but you'd better look at the full list Oct 25 13:42:17 ah, now i remember why i didnt install full cssu, custom vte and osso-xterm i already have with stuff like scrollbars removed Oct 25 13:42:28 so it doesnt waste screen real-estate Oct 25 13:42:53 jaska: tell me more about this custom xterm... Oct 25 13:43:04 I am searching for an osso-xterm replacement. Oct 25 13:43:20 vi: i just hacked until i got rid of the scroll indicator thingy. and various border pixels Oct 25 13:43:33 jaska: on osso-xterm? Oct 25 13:43:35 yeah Oct 25 13:43:48 ...did you enable middle click pasting?? Oct 25 13:43:53 no Oct 25 13:44:01 the search for the dream continues. Oct 25 13:45:01 xterm is good, however it completely ignores all configuration files and you cannot change the font. Oct 25 13:45:04 i should probably clean my hacks up Oct 25 13:45:25 mrxvt is good but you cannot change the font/font size either. Oct 25 13:45:54 not sure how you middleclick on this thing :) Oct 25 13:46:09 jaska: see: Oct 25 13:46:13 ~vi-kbd Oct 25 13:46:14 extra, extra, read all about it, vi-kbd is http://wiki.maemo.org/Remapping_keyboard/user_vis_awesome_kbdmapping Oct 25 13:46:27 scrollbars on xterm?? o.O Oct 25 13:46:40 doc: it has some sort of scroll indicator Oct 25 13:47:04 DocScrutinizer05: and a couple of pixels sized border. Oct 25 13:47:13 wasting precious screen space. Oct 25 13:47:16 :D Oct 25 13:47:30 id look it up but the machine that has my sdk vm is not on Oct 25 13:47:42 ohyeah Oct 25 13:48:00 i'm more concerned about wasted space for bottom bar Oct 25 13:48:07 oh, i disable that Oct 25 13:48:09 DocScrutinizer05: fullscreen it. Oct 25 13:48:19 i was looking into making a smaller bottom bar Oct 25 13:48:22 vi_: ??? Oct 25 13:48:23 but i just threw it away Oct 25 13:48:44 DocScrutinizer05: You are shitting me. You are aware osso-xterm can go full screen, no bottom bar right? Oct 25 13:49:00 no Oct 25 13:49:17 my fullscreen xterm still has bottom bar Oct 25 13:49:18 nothing but glorious console all over the screen, no buttons. Oct 25 13:49:20 yeah, i run mine sans titlebar or bottom bar Oct 25 13:49:29 jaska: just like the pros Oct 25 13:49:52 think some gconf setting toggles it Oct 25 13:50:07 after all, without bottom fullscreen symbol, how would you end fullscreen mode? Oct 25 13:50:34 on mine you press fn-shift-y Oct 25 13:50:47 or fn-shift-backspace Oct 25 13:50:56 (f6) Oct 25 13:51:00 f6 Oct 25 13:51:04 tsss Oct 25 13:51:17 next question: How do I F6? Oct 25 13:51:24 answer: Oct 25 13:51:25 I prefer F6 free for cli apps using F6 Oct 25 13:51:28 ctrl-backspace lets me taskswitch Oct 25 13:51:29 ~vi-kbd Oct 25 13:51:30 i heard vi-kbd is http://wiki.maemo.org/Remapping_keyboard/user_vis_awesome_kbdmapping Oct 25 13:51:53 btw iirc F6 is already bound to VOL- or sth like that Oct 25 13:52:00 F6 is built into osso-xterm, it will swallow F6 anyway. Oct 25 13:52:11 vol is F7, F8 Oct 25 13:52:44 it was f6 back in diablo too Oct 25 13:52:47 whatever, cya Oct 25 13:53:06 Fsck knows why F6 disables full screen, there is no F6 key. Anywhere. Oct 25 13:53:52 also osso-xterm doesnt observe the disable-bottombar thingy until you fullscreen by default Oct 25 13:53:55 think its some bug Oct 25 13:54:21 but if you f6 f6 it obeys Oct 25 13:54:51 yah Oct 25 13:54:54 i guess i should make it so that i can copypasta from hotkeys Oct 25 13:54:56 DocScrutinizer05: gconftool-2 -s /apps/osso/xterm/toolbar -t bool "false" Oct 25 13:55:28 jaska: yes, copy+paste is the ONLY reason I ever need to un-fullscreen. Oct 25 13:55:34 It is a pain in the ass. Oct 25 13:55:38 ye Oct 25 13:55:42 hence, middle click paste. Oct 25 13:55:46 i have some keys left over Oct 25 13:55:54 i forgot i hadnt used all keys yet :) Oct 25 13:56:05 so now i have scandinavian umlauts and 4-arrows Oct 25 13:56:16 woot. Oct 25 13:56:16 plus unix/programming related special chars Oct 25 13:56:32 without dipping into special char view Oct 25 13:56:51 jaska: now you can remap blue+trl to be alt. Oct 25 13:56:57 jaska: now you can remap blue+ctrl to be alt. Oct 25 13:57:10 hmm. orly? Oct 25 13:57:12 ... Oct 25 13:57:13 no Oct 25 13:57:19 it doesnt work. Oct 25 13:57:21 :( Oct 25 13:57:30 it is reported as alt by xev Oct 25 13:57:30 anyway, what is the difference with gconftool-2 and gconftool? Oct 25 13:57:48 but just doesnt work for some reason. Oct 25 13:57:58 might not be in the modifier map Oct 25 13:58:52 jaska: If you can crack this one you will be a hero. Oct 25 13:58:58 To literally tens of people. Oct 25 13:59:03 no xmodmap installed i think hmm Oct 25 13:59:08 Some people. Oct 25 13:59:11 lol Oct 25 13:59:15 well, probably only 2. Oct 25 13:59:17 keeps on shrinking Oct 25 13:59:18 yeah Oct 25 13:59:21 was about to suggest 1-2 Oct 25 13:59:27 including yourself and me. Oct 25 13:59:32 So really that is none. Oct 25 13:59:36 none people. Oct 25 14:01:35 looks like xmodmap is in extras-devel Oct 25 14:08:01 SoaB Oct 25 14:08:10 my new n900 has not even been shipped. Oct 25 15:01:07 anybody who can fix bug in grep? https://launchpad.net/bugs/1055766 Oct 25 15:02:12 bug is also present in maemo busybox grep and also in extras findutils-gnu Oct 25 15:06:56 Pali: if I do I get to work for canonical? Oct 25 15:07:17 StyXman, maybe :-) Oct 25 15:07:31 but it is really funny bug :D Oct 25 15:12:04 yeah, I saw if when the brouhaha about amazon on by default was on its climas (like 5h after it went live) Oct 25 15:12:10 climax* Oct 25 15:12:35 )all that in a very sarcastic tone which you can't see in your IRC clients) Oct 25 15:14:53 ~lart pali for wasting everybody's time and bandwidth Oct 25 15:14:54 * infobot DoSes pali for wasting everybody's time and bandwidth Oct 25 15:16:40 DocScrutinizer51, it is today joke :-) Oct 25 15:16:51 not exactly easy to get the catch it's BS, when browsing there in microB Oct 25 15:17:36 meh Oct 25 15:18:56 Pali: #41 in the comments is great :D Oct 25 15:22:10 if [$USER != "root"]; then echo "Warning: Must be Mark!"; exit :-(; fi Oct 25 15:22:15 merlin1991 ^ :-) Oct 25 15:23:25 also we need missing feature from #23 and #24 Oct 25 15:23:29 :D Oct 25 15:24:40 is there going to be ads in unity or something? Oct 25 15:26:07 just found it out. Oct 25 15:26:11 WTF is that shit? Oct 25 15:26:21 Not even windows goes that far. Oct 25 15:26:27 WTF boontoo? Oct 25 15:27:01 What person will willingly install it if it comes bundled with that horse shit? Oct 25 15:30:07 unity? sounds like ubuntu crap Oct 25 15:30:50 canonical, so you're surprised? Oct 25 15:33:09 oohboontoo was my first linux distro. Oct 25 15:33:23 yeah, and in addition they are moving some of the development behind closed doors Oct 25 15:33:34 wtf Oct 25 15:33:45 who the F do they think they are? Oct 25 15:34:02 mm, splitting the community to the elite and the rest Oct 25 15:34:23 The only reason boontoo works is because of the army of OSS zealots backing it for free. Oct 25 15:34:33 hmm, I was just about to replace my windoze with Ubuntu, is there something I am missing? Oct 25 15:34:44 it has totally caught the gay. Oct 25 15:35:02 freemangordon: Try strait up debian. Oct 25 15:35:09 my first was RH5, amiga os before that Oct 25 15:35:17 vi_: where to get that from? Oct 25 15:35:41 ok,ok, i'll ask google :) Oct 25 15:35:45 freemangordon: debian.org Oct 25 15:35:57 freemangordon: yeah, you're missing Oct 25 15:35:58 10x Oct 25 15:36:02 freemangordon: if you want best of ubuntu and debian, go with mint, I do recommend considering/trying other options though. Oct 25 15:36:03 ~buntkuh Oct 25 15:36:04 [buntkuh] http://xkcd.com/424/ ... Redmond, or http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holstein-Rind Oct 25 15:36:20 the fuck, i've just burnt the CD Oct 25 15:36:30 mint is bloaty as fuck. Oct 25 15:36:31 but yeah, Debian it will be Oct 25 15:36:33 freemangordon: honestly you probably better stay with genuine windows Oct 25 15:36:43 debian+http://smxi.org/ Oct 25 15:36:47 DocScrutinizer05: I can't stand it anymore Oct 25 15:37:22 AV SW is using 2 of my 4 cores, no thanks Oct 25 15:37:23 then WTF you ponder to switch to fake windows aka buntkuh? Oct 25 15:37:26 besides, halflife 3 will be released on linux. Oct 25 15:37:32 ^^^ Oct 25 15:37:46 and as it is 32bit it utilyses only 3 GB Oct 25 15:37:50 vi_: yeah, it is. Personally wont use anything but Arch and Gentoo. Oct 25 15:38:09 Skry: I dont have that much free time! Oct 25 15:38:46 vi_: Debian comes with gnome2 or 3? Oct 25 15:38:59 debian comes with whatever the fuck you want. Oct 25 15:39:20 vi_: mm, takes few hours in arch to set everything up first time, then you dont need to do anything if you dont want to, it's rollin' Oct 25 15:39:26 it's a *real* distro Oct 25 15:39:28 You download the minimal install. Oct 25 15:39:39 vi_: remember, you are helping a windoze user to turn into the "real OS' user :P Oct 25 15:39:44 Then just get whatever you want over the net. Oct 25 15:39:56 freemangordon: ??? I thought you where a 'nix pro! Oct 25 15:40:02 hehe Oct 25 15:40:31 the debian installer gives you a choice of DE as I recall. Oct 25 15:40:53 getting a different DE is as easy as apt-get install lxde Oct 25 15:41:00 or kde Oct 25 15:41:11 or gnome etc. Oct 25 15:41:26 vi_: I am trying to find a distro to replace my Win95, wich evolved to XP during the years. With not a single time I used format C: | Y Oct 25 15:41:42 o0 Oct 25 15:41:48 vi_: see Oct 25 15:41:54 How old is your computer? Oct 25 15:42:05 it is relatively new Oct 25 15:42:22 but it started from 486DX2/100 Oct 25 15:42:41 well, no help from my side, I stopped using win at home with win98 Oct 25 15:42:53 some 13 years ago Oct 25 15:43:06 i've upgraded either HW or OS, but without losing anything Oct 25 15:43:16 freemangordon: the same case? Oct 25 15:43:21 so have I Oct 25 15:44:08 freemangordon: Well if you want to go 'nix you may want to consider backing up all your shit. Oct 25 15:44:10 started on KDE1 and suse4 iirc Oct 25 15:44:21 And BH I am too old to use lynx to ask google what packages I am supposed to install to have X running Oct 25 15:44:23 But you seem to know your way around linux. Oct 25 15:44:32 freemangordon: lols Oct 25 15:44:33 yeah Oct 25 15:44:48 you use links2 with svga frame buffer. Oct 25 15:44:54 hehe Oct 25 15:45:23 freemangordon: It used to be setting up Xserver was the mark of a boy who had progressed to manhood. Oct 25 15:45:29 that is why I wanted ubuntu. Not anymore, if I wanted android ads shit I wouldn't have bought n900 ;) Oct 25 15:45:32 now it is not so difficult. Oct 25 15:45:48 freemangordon: Go for linux mint then. Oct 25 15:45:50 vi_: Been there done that Oct 25 15:45:51 freemangordon: Mint has cinnamon which is pretty much gnome3 made usable/gnome2 like, and it has compatibility with ubuntu, and offers also other DE's, admittably it is as bloated as ubuntu. Xubuntu is also a very good distro based on buntu. Mint is also wife approved, at least in here, so it is pretty trouble free and comes with etc essential multimedia shits preinstalled. I still recommend giving some effort and going with bare debian, arch or Oct 25 15:46:39 vi_: I mean bringing X up, with RH6.3 and FC1 Oct 25 15:46:48 fuck dat. Oct 25 15:47:00 so, going to install debian Oct 25 15:47:16 will see ... Oct 25 15:47:17 good choice. Oct 25 15:47:23 shrug Oct 25 15:47:34 which version would you recommend? Oct 25 15:47:35 It is a nice balance between power and automation. Oct 25 15:47:51 personally I would go with unstable. Oct 25 15:48:01 seems my friend had no trouble at all to install FC on the toughbook he sold to me Oct 25 15:48:01 as would i Oct 25 15:48:06 It is generally quite stable. Oct 25 15:48:31 DocScrutinizer51: actually I liked FC lots in the past. Oct 25 15:48:32 +1 on unstable, however testing is quick enough to make use of most bleeding edge updates Oct 25 15:48:40 but unstable is really not that unstable as it sounds :) Oct 25 15:48:49 testing is what I meant! Oct 25 15:48:57 ok Oct 25 15:48:58 what 'coon said. Oct 25 15:49:04 I forgot the name. Oct 25 15:49:36 that one? http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/News/2012/20121018? Oct 25 15:51:13 vi_: ^^^? Oct 25 15:51:29 freemangordon: if you're used to windows you might indeed love debian. I fvor one hate the fractal character of the whole thing Oct 25 15:51:46 I am Oct 25 15:52:15 http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ Oct 25 15:52:15 and unfortuantely no option here, I need it for my work :( Oct 25 15:52:29 it's all opposite of a proper distro under professional maintenance, like RH/fedora or (even better) suse Oct 25 15:53:27 freemangordon: Personally I prefer the netinst. That is network installer. Oct 25 15:53:49 DocScrutinizer51: I am not sure how will SB cope with fedora and rpms ;) Oct 25 15:53:57 tbh I find nothing else wrong with fedora but their switch to defaulting gnome3, otherwise a very good distro. Oct 25 15:53:57 It is a smaller download and you don't have to update right away. Oct 25 15:53:58 vi_: yeah, downloading it Oct 25 15:54:13 meh, I got it installwd on suse Oct 25 15:54:19 freemangordon: backup your shit. Oct 25 15:54:29 freemangordon: This thing will install grub on your computer. Oct 25 15:54:33 freemangordon: you can get SB running on just about every distro, and dpkg can be installed Oct 25 15:54:50