**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Oct 26 03:00:01 2012 Oct 26 04:07:27 can anyone explain to me how to mount the /optfs folder in nitdroid automaticly so it is set up as an sdcard? Oct 26 04:07:35 been trying to figure it out for a while Oct 26 04:09:08 i try do download an apk file in nitdroid and it says o snd card so im trying to mount optfs as an sdcard in nitdroid Oct 26 04:09:11 anyone? Oct 26 04:14:43 bump Oct 26 04:14:46 er Oct 26 04:15:03 what *is* nitdroid? Oct 26 04:16:00 NITDroid is android for the n900 , i have maemo 5 tripple booted with android and ubuntu 12.10 Oct 26 04:16:13 nitdroid is the project Oct 26 04:16:35 hmm, that must be slow! Oct 26 04:16:42 not at all Oct 26 04:16:50 ubuntu runs great too Oct 26 04:17:17 look up in google uboot ubuntu n900 Oct 26 04:17:40 android updated to 2.3.7 is as fast as maemo Oct 26 04:17:55 looking for some help if anyone knows Oct 26 04:18:16 it 06 in the morning, cool down :p Oct 26 04:18:58 10 pm here lol Oct 26 04:19:34 haha timezones sux! Oct 26 04:20:00 here in canada, and yea i agree lol] Oct 26 04:22:00 well here in the real world its 06 :p Oct 26 04:24:24 well, back to work! cya and glhf on the nitroid stuff Oct 26 04:24:41 haha im off to get some sleep, enjoy the work day as ill be up doing the same soon Oct 26 04:24:43 take care Oct 26 05:21:57 good ugt morning Oct 26 05:27:08 really sorry I couldn't help _lena Oct 26 05:54:29 DocScrutinizer05: you should feel ashamed, the first since I am here a lady asks for help on that channel and you are spepnding all night in bars :P Oct 26 05:54:36 *first time Oct 26 06:15:26 ~seen zeq Oct 26 06:15:33 zeq <~s_j_newbu@2a01:348:1e3:1:e6ec:10ff:fe9a:d418> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 42d 16h 12m 25s ago, saying: 'hi freemangordon'. Oct 26 06:15:40 ~seen zeq1 Oct 26 06:15:40 zeq1 <~s_j_newbu@2a01:348:1e3::a71> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 6d 20h 59m 26s ago, saying: 'plus less flash wear'. Oct 26 07:42:10 the number of users in this channel is rapidly dropping -_- Oct 26 07:47:04 rapidly? Oct 26 08:07:12 indeed, 236 Oct 26 08:07:36 not long ago we were almost 300 Oct 26 08:08:05 hmph Oct 26 08:08:14 * ccssnet waves hi as the new guy Oct 26 08:08:40 maybe the popcorn factor dropped since some particular user isn't frequently trolling anymore Oct 26 08:09:00 hi ccssnet :-) Oct 26 08:09:27 i missed some epic trolling? Oct 26 08:10:00 nah, actually it was not that epic but more annoyingly constant Oct 26 08:10:06 o Oct 26 08:10:07 :-/ Oct 26 08:10:37 but that's gone since several weeks now Oct 26 08:10:43 wow i see many nicks in here i know from else where. and possibly even long ago Oct 26 08:10:49 * ccssnet pokes disco_stu Oct 26 08:11:38 ccssnet: you got a maemo device? Oct 26 08:11:53 no, i had an n810 but sold it Oct 26 08:12:12 a pity Oct 26 08:12:20 im here to learn about whatever Oct 26 08:12:27 hehe Oct 26 08:12:48 sure, welcome Oct 26 08:12:51 http://atccss.net/ Oct 26 08:12:55 more about me ^ Oct 26 08:14:43 would it be easy to install maemo5 on the open pandora you think? Oct 26 08:14:56 same hardware as an n900 almost Oct 26 08:17:55 hmm, scratchbox toolchain eh? Oct 26 08:17:58 how is it? Oct 26 08:18:13 ive been coding my own but its unfinished Oct 26 08:49:25 ccssnet: almost impossible. Oct 26 08:49:39 A small chunk of maemo 5 'fremantle' is closed source. Oct 26 08:50:04 However the window manager, hildon was ported to be a general window manager. Oct 26 08:50:14 by a guy named smoku Oct 26 08:50:32 but he got crazy ideas and abandoned it. Oct 26 08:53:04 hmm Oct 26 08:53:29 ill check out hildon Oct 26 08:56:58 how do I check how a binary is compiled? Oct 26 08:57:15 For example, how do I know if it is thumb2, hardfp etc? Oct 26 08:58:09 bash-4.2# file /bin/ls Oct 26 08:58:11 /bin/ls: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.0, stripped Oct 26 09:00:22 ccssnet: cheers bro! Oct 26 09:00:49 morning Oct 26 09:01:09 :) Oct 26 09:04:47 vi_: what did your return? Oct 26 09:07:34 vi_: no matter what I do, installer just freezes at some point :(. Any hints? Oct 26 09:08:24 seems like a kernel issue, maybe i should try some older debian/ubuntu version Oct 26 09:09:23 * ccssnet shamelessly browses to freemangordon's host url Oct 26 09:10:10 hmm. don't think there is apache running here :D Oct 26 09:10:56 there is Oct 26 09:10:59 well, there is Oct 26 09:11:03 but not here :P Oct 26 09:11:07 ahh Oct 26 09:11:15 I am behind NAT Oct 26 09:11:19 interesting. so you work for printec? Oct 26 09:11:22 yep Oct 26 09:11:30 bookmarked them under job angencies Oct 26 09:11:33 ;) Oct 26 09:11:39 hehe Oct 26 09:14:38 ccssnet: networking like a pro. Oct 26 09:15:06 readelf -a for more Oct 26 09:15:41 lol Oct 26 09:19:04 florian: installing debian/ubuntu? try the usual suspects: noapic et al Oct 26 09:19:28 StyXman: you mean freemangordon right? Oct 26 09:19:46 vi_: sir, yessir! Oct 26 09:21:21 speaking of florian, hello Oct 26 09:21:29 ive seen you somewhere... forget where Oct 26 09:23:59 StyXman: wrong florian :-) Oct 26 09:24:05 hi ccssnet Oct 26 09:24:55 ahh ok i guess ive talked to you in oe Oct 26 09:25:12 i dont really talk in yocto so cant be that one Oct 26 09:26:31 ccssnet: on #oe might be possible yes... Oct 26 09:30:45 vi_: I think there's no reliable easy indicator neither for thumb2 nor hardfp Oct 26 09:31:21 for thumb2 I'm actually rather sure since we dealt with that issue quite a bit lately oevr at cssu Oct 26 09:32:35 vi_: to find out if a binary is thumbified, you could disassemble and check if you find any thumb instructions or function calls to impair addr Oct 26 09:33:43 iirc stskeeps had similar problems with hardfp not really indicated in binary header Oct 26 09:33:49 ...on mer Oct 26 09:33:57 or meego Oct 26 09:34:48 yay. learned something this morning ^ Oct 26 09:34:51 so hardfp probably is even harder to check for than thumb Oct 26 09:35:39 mind that hardfp is just an API convention about how to pass call parameters Oct 26 09:42:24 don't take my words for verified, it's all disclaimer 'afaik' Oct 26 09:44:03 cheers Oct 26 09:48:40 vi_: recall the erratically thumbified modest, which segfaulted like mad? We pondered quite a bit over at #maemo-ssu how to check all cssu binaries for possible (unintended) thombification, and iirc we finally came up with a shellscript oneliner that did a readelf disassembly and then checked for impair addr Oct 26 09:49:27 you might try to search chanlog of #maemo-ssu for searchstring "[13579bdf]" Oct 26 09:50:02 (the last valid digits of a jump addr for BX (switch to thumb) Oct 26 09:50:08 ) Oct 26 09:53:50 hmph Oct 26 09:54:00 whats channel maemo-ssu about? Oct 26 09:54:03 quick check and thumb tag does change with and without -mthumb Oct 26 09:54:53 ccssnet: ~cssu Oct 26 09:55:05 #maeo-ssu is about cssu Oct 26 09:55:08 ~cssu Oct 26 09:55:09 methinks cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU Oct 26 09:55:20 DocScrutinizer05: good thinking Oct 26 09:55:22 #maemo-ssu even Oct 26 09:55:46 hmmph Oct 26 10:05:54 hmmm? Oct 26 10:06:15 ccssnet: what's wrong? Oct 26 10:06:59 nothing Oct 26 10:08:05 although i havent slept yet Oct 26 10:08:14 i could go for some of that right now Oct 26 11:38:55 chem|st: ping Oct 26 11:54:06 vi_: pong Oct 26 11:55:34 chem|st: hi! Oct 26 11:55:41 o/ Oct 26 12:00:58 wth is wrong with the bluemaemo package? Oct 26 12:02:36 seems like a dependency hell Oct 26 12:04:47 vi_: just write... don't wait for my pong... Oct 26 12:05:16 can somebody help me out with this? http://pastebin.com/cwYNWXGx Oct 26 12:32:22 chem|st: I was going to ask you to help me buy a thing from german ebay. Oct 26 12:32:32 a pannier rack for my bike to be specific. Oct 26 12:32:50 But the more I think about it, the more I come to realise I should just make one myself. Oct 26 12:33:10 NVM, I fixed it Oct 26 12:33:40 bluemaemo wanted an older version of libeet1 than the latest in the repos... Oct 26 12:56:58 hm Oct 26 12:58:20 is there a known issue in which the speaker randomly stops working? Oct 26 12:59:18 nope Oct 26 12:59:22 well yes. Oct 26 12:59:38 You need to be more specific when asking a question. Oct 26 13:00:09 What would a doctors diagnosis be if you went to him and said, 'I am sick, give me medicine.'? Oct 26 13:00:22 Has it stopped working permanently? Oct 26 13:00:24 fair enough Oct 26 13:00:34 is the problem intermittent? Oct 26 13:00:50 Does it work for some things but not others? Oct 26 13:01:02 What where you doing at the time? Oct 26 13:01:14 What are you wearing right now? Oct 26 13:01:24 Actually, scratch that question. Oct 26 13:03:23 yesterday, my speaker worked fine, completly fine, playing stuff, calling and so on. Today, it just don't work at all. I didn't update or install any applications between "it works" and "it stopped working", so it shouldn't be related to that. The only thing I did between "it worked" and "it stopped working" was playing around with gpSP, alter volumes (which was my first thought -- but alter it didn't help at all, and speaker doesn't work *at all*, not even in Oct 26 13:03:23 calls). I've never had the problem before Oct 26 13:03:47 what is gpSP? Oct 26 13:03:50 In case it's really a firmware problem, I was thinking of making a backupmenu backup and then revert to when I reflashed the device Oct 26 13:03:56 an emulator, so it should not be related Oct 26 13:04:19 actually it could be... Oct 26 13:04:26 If gpSP uses alsa. Oct 26 13:04:38 i said it shouldn't, i didn't say it wasn't :P Oct 26 13:04:47 I tried to use my headset -- that still works Oct 26 13:04:50 all audio is supposed to be routed through pulse audio. Oct 26 13:04:52 Speaker on the other hand, does not Oct 26 13:05:07 Nokia put certain limitations of the volume levels of the speakers. Oct 26 13:05:19 Also if gpSP did something scary, it should have been fixed by reboot, no? Oct 26 13:05:23 Because that didn't solve it Oct 26 13:05:27 Pulse audio works 'above' alsa. Oct 26 13:05:49 Thus, you are able to increase the volume around nokias limitations by adjusting the alsa volume. Oct 26 13:06:17 When I googled around on gpSP and speaker before I came here, i found nothing also Oct 26 13:06:21 It has been known in a few examples for mplayer, through alsa with the volume cranked to the max to pop the speakers. Oct 26 13:06:41 The problem here is -- I didn't *use* the speaker when I used gpSP Oct 26 13:06:48 I just used my headset Oct 26 13:06:59 FIQ: The bad news is, there is a chance you have destroyed your n900 speakers. Oct 26 13:07:29 FIQ: The good news is, maybe you have not and it is something else. Also the N900 speakers are REAL EASY to replace. Oct 26 13:08:04 FIQ: You have mplayer installed? Oct 26 13:08:13 I'll try to do a backupmenu rollback to see if it solves the problem Oct 26 13:08:23 vi_: Yes, though I haven't used it lately Oct 26 13:08:32 try: mplayer -ao alsa try: mplayer -ao alsa Oct 26 13:08:45 see if it makes any sound. Oct 26 13:08:52 Maybe pulse audio is fecked. Oct 26 13:09:11 backup menu roll back would also be an easy option! Oct 26 13:10:46 vi_: Aside from the fact that I used a midi file instead, I did as you said, nothing sounded Oct 26 13:17:18 try mplayer -ao pulse Oct 26 13:25:16 gtar refuses to restore a backup from the future..? Oct 26 13:25:37 my date reset due to battery exchange and I didn't care to fix that problem Oct 26 13:29:18 get a shell and change the date]# Oct 26 13:36:26 hmm Oct 26 13:36:40 something went wrong during restore, even though backupmenu told it went smooth... Oct 26 13:36:50 FIQ: oh fuk. Oct 26 13:36:57 and now things (including bootmenu, backupmenu and maemo) is broken Oct 26 13:36:57 time for rescue os. Oct 26 13:37:19 I guess you SHOULD have cared to change the date? Oct 26 13:37:27 I suppose Oct 26 13:37:37 But I wasn't aware that it made restore fail Oct 26 13:37:45 Time waits for no man, GTG. Oct 26 13:37:48 bb Oct 26 13:37:51 :q Oct 26 13:38:19 backupmenu crashes when loading watchdog, bootmenu crashes when open for ~5s, maemo also crashes after ~10s load Oct 26 13:52:34 Any italian here? Oct 26 14:42:28 now that doesn't make sense... Oct 26 14:44:09 the problem might be a failed backup, but things seem to *work* Oct 26 14:44:15 everything works fine except for watchdog Oct 26 14:47:21 ok, let me rephrase that -- backup menu works, but watchdog kills it unless I presses random keys all the time, and restoring a backup deosn't work because a broken partition (how did that happen?) Oct 26 14:47:36 *press Oct 26 15:13:24 is it possible to put maemo on any of the android phones? Oct 26 15:14:20 jigrap: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65654 google is your friend Oct 26 15:15:18 cool thanks Oct 26 17:39:07 FIQ: you made sure you're not using ancient obsolete deprecated backupmenu-V1 as of ~2 years ago? Oct 26 17:39:57 I believe not, unless it's still in the repositories by the name "backupmenu" Oct 26 17:40:07 I doubt that Oct 26 17:40:13 as I installed it ~1month ago Oct 26 17:40:25 should be recent then Oct 26 17:40:41 simple check: are backup files .tar? Oct 26 17:40:50 or .tgz? Oct 26 17:41:12 I believe .tar, but i'm not sure as backupmenu doesn't work anymore Oct 26 17:41:40 (or rather, works very badly) Oct 26 17:42:08 It gave me two alternatives during backing up, making a copy and making a compressed copy "(VERY SLOW)" Oct 26 17:42:18 FIQ: nevermind my worries, was just an idea out of thin air Oct 26 17:42:38 yes, this should be new BM Oct 26 17:42:54 but why did it fail just because a bad timestamp? Oct 26 17:43:28 I don't think it would Oct 26 17:43:34 sure, I learned a new thing (make sure to have it right), but breaking a restore because it had a future timestamp seems bad Oct 26 17:43:55 It gave me several errors during restore stating "(file) is XXXXXXXs in the future" Oct 26 17:44:02 can't figure how that might cause any harm Oct 26 17:44:06 And then backupmenu claimed it was done and successful and I assumed it was just a warning Oct 26 17:44:09 so I rebooted Oct 26 17:44:09 rofl installing qt creator maemo toolchain says: installing qt madde 4.7.0 but the folder it works inside is called qt 4.6.2 :D Oct 26 17:44:12 Baaaad idea Oct 26 17:44:47 I don't even know why backupmenu still boots, but it does Oct 26 17:44:49 hmmmm Oct 26 17:45:18 but somehow it doesn't relax the watchdog anymore, so occasionally it just dies Oct 26 17:45:30 IF untar refuses to install "files in the future" by default, I'd call that a MAJOR bug of BM Oct 26 17:45:33 and I cannot restore the backup I created before restoring because it isn't found Oct 26 17:45:50 brb boot phone to state more accurate errror Oct 26 17:45:52 *error Oct 26 17:47:30 the following problems are showing up at the moment: Oct 26 17:47:52 bootmenu crashes if having the menu open in more than 5s, leaving watchdog to killing it after ~20s Oct 26 17:48:01 Maemo doesn't boot at all, resulting in reboot loop Oct 26 17:48:30 Backupmenu crashes unless I press keys during startup (in which it complains "watchdog: not found" (random characters in the string making it hard to read) Oct 26 17:48:36 you're in for a proper reflash, then resore backup again Oct 26 17:48:57 Trying to restore from eMMC gives "Error: Cannot mount the eMMC. Please try fsck", and fscking gives "fsck.ext2: No such file or directory" Oct 26 17:49:10 oooh brilliant, I love reflashing with a barely working microUSB Oct 26 17:49:16 ..or not Oct 26 17:49:47 sorry Oct 26 17:50:02 it's not your fault at all Oct 26 17:50:12 i just don't like a broken microUSB, that's all :p Oct 26 17:50:32 is it unfixable? Oct 26 17:50:50 It *works*, barely Oct 26 17:50:53 "unfixable"? Oct 26 17:51:00 then damn let it fix!! Oct 26 17:51:28 DocScrutinizer05: i almost got that bug too :D Oct 26 17:51:32 find some repair shop to fix it as long as it's still easy! Oct 26 17:51:41 DocScrutinizer05: hmm Oct 26 17:51:48 I'm just afraid of losing my device Oct 26 17:52:15 A friend of me gave his N900 to a repair shop due to similar issue, and they just ate the phone (aka threw it) Oct 26 17:52:28 FIQ: backupmenu has a shell, right? Oct 26 17:52:31 can you use it? Oct 26 17:52:34 use it to set the date Oct 26 17:52:35 kerio: i'll see Oct 26 17:52:39 sounds meore like genuine Nokia Care Oct 26 17:52:41 kerio: it's too late Oct 26 17:52:44 :c Oct 26 17:52:57 I can't mount the partition with the backup anymore Oct 26 17:53:05 also Oct 26 17:53:08 srsly though, you shouldn't've rebooted Oct 26 17:53:11 the backupmenu root shell never worked for me Oct 26 17:53:18 it just showed a black screen Oct 26 17:53:30 FIQ: that's why you install uboot and keep rescueos handy :) Oct 26 17:53:33 so I downloaded "recovery console" instead, which worked Oct 26 17:54:16 but it disappeared from bootupmenu post-restore (which doesn't make sense at all, IMO) Oct 26 17:54:48 brb Oct 26 17:54:57 but we will fix this! Oct 26 17:55:16 hi kerio btw :-) Oct 26 17:55:31 argh, watchdog is annoying Oct 26 17:55:39 if I don't keep pressing button, device just die Oct 26 17:55:42 *buttons Oct 26 17:55:48 *dies Oct 26 17:57:33 DocScrutinizer05: so, should I go to the average repair shop? or should I attempt reflash first? Oct 26 17:57:56 first get it repaired I'd say Oct 26 17:58:00 there's another possible issue in my phone, which led to me restoring at first place, so they can fix that too (which should be easy) in case it's hardware issue Oct 26 17:58:22 I doubt your audio is any hw issue Oct 26 17:58:34 they could check at least :p Oct 26 17:59:05 nevermind audio Oct 26 17:59:26 find a repair shop where guys can solder Oct 26 18:00:08 if they offer LED color change for arbitrary phones, that would be a good indicator already Oct 26 18:00:42 fixing USB is not significantly harder than swapping LEDs of arbitrary devices Oct 26 18:00:53 hmm ok Oct 26 18:01:05 then I would also be able to charge properly again :D Oct 26 18:01:15 provide proper instructions with photos for them, from Oct 26 18:01:18 ~usbfidx Oct 26 18:01:21 ~usbfix Oct 26 18:01:22 well, usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater) Oct 26 18:03:07 tell them your USB got loose solder joints and all they need to do is resolder it (and maybe do the reinforcement soldering on both sides as well) Oct 26 18:03:46 I don't know, the shops tend to promise more than they can deliver :) Oct 26 18:04:14 if they are really competent, they will already know and maybe even check in detail what's state of the USB receptacle and if it maybe should get swapped for a new one Oct 26 18:05:17 wow. a nokia broke? Oct 26 18:05:24 pics or didnt happen Oct 26 18:05:26 ;) Oct 26 18:05:28 jon_y: well, finding a "official" shop that can do repair on behalf of Nokia / Samsung / whomever would be a good start as well Oct 26 18:06:08 ccssnet: USB breakdown is a known pest on N900 Oct 26 18:06:13 what about official nokia dealers? Oct 26 18:06:17 damn that sucks Oct 26 18:06:24 btw. i can solder. Oct 26 18:06:44 ccssnet: opening the N900 and not breaking it is the hard part Oct 26 18:06:46 then you definitely want... err scratch that you got no N900 Oct 26 18:06:59 jon_y: ahh Oct 26 18:07:07 hi DocScrutinizer! Oct 26 18:07:13 so nokia is the hp of phones now?? Oct 26 18:07:25 lol. hp makes laptops designed to break on opening Oct 26 18:07:35 ccssnet: buy a n900! Oct 26 18:07:37 it's good! Oct 26 18:07:57 kerio: buy my unwanted stuff first. i might buy an n900! Oct 26 18:08:11 http://atccss.net/index.php?p=4sale Oct 26 18:08:17 no really ^ im selling stuff Oct 26 18:08:37 indeed, the USB problem is not as widespread as it sounds, and actually a well known, understood, and easily avoidable/fixable issue Oct 26 18:08:50 not listing anything Oct 26 18:08:58 enable javascript Oct 26 18:09:04 bwahahaha Oct 26 18:09:10 no Oct 26 18:09:19 :) Oct 26 18:09:22 right! :) Oct 26 18:09:22 o well Oct 26 18:09:39 http://www.ebay.com/sch/theccsscontact/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=&_trksid=p3686 Oct 26 18:09:48 otherwise look at this for the anti js people ... Oct 26 18:10:23 aww, mini-itx Oct 26 18:10:40 might have gotten the cool case if it was bigger Oct 26 18:11:00 yea its tiny Oct 26 18:11:10 only for onboard everything type of boards Oct 26 18:11:41 FIQ: what can you do right now? Oct 26 18:11:50 kerio: well Oct 26 18:11:57 you mean on the device itself? Oct 26 18:12:05 yes Oct 26 18:12:50 Play around in backupmenu UI Oct 26 18:12:56 That's it, pretty much Oct 26 18:13:08 FIQ: can you enable usb networking? Oct 26 18:13:11 Assuming I spamclick random keys every now and then to prevent random dying Oct 26 18:13:12 and login Oct 26 18:13:25 usb networking? that sounds as it needs something like a usb connect.. Oct 26 18:13:35 lol Oct 26 18:13:38 err sorry Oct 26 18:13:42 ...ok, i'm an idiot Oct 26 18:13:48 FIQ: what about the onboard shell? Oct 26 18:14:01 didn't work for him Oct 26 18:14:03 the backupmenu shell never worked properly for me Oct 26 18:14:09 it never works properly for anyone Oct 26 18:14:12 just a black screen where the shell should be Oct 26 18:14:22 lol Oct 26 18:14:37 no, seriously Oct 26 18:14:42 lack of /dev/pts's? Oct 26 18:14:48 no clue Oct 26 18:14:53 ccssnet: nah, it's just that it requires a fairly working rootfs Oct 26 18:15:05 and a way to do fbcon Oct 26 18:15:08 kerio: it didn't work when I had working backupmenu either Oct 26 18:15:19 FIQ: it probably requires KP Oct 26 18:15:28 or omap1 with fbcon Oct 26 18:15:29 :nod: Oct 26 18:15:49 kerio: I installed root console in case something would go wrong Oct 26 18:15:53 That one worked fine Oct 26 18:16:00 But the option of root console disappeared on reastore Oct 26 18:16:08 FIQ: it can't work "fine" because it will stop working precisely when you need it the most Oct 26 18:16:08 most likely as the restore was before the installation of it Oct 26 18:16:12 Has anyone set up telepathy-ring with Empathy ? Oct 26 18:16:13 aka when you bork your rootfs Oct 26 18:16:17 bork bork bork Oct 26 18:16:17 Yeah, exactly Oct 26 18:16:35 *restore Oct 26 18:17:29 How come backupmenu still works anyway (allbeit barely) Oct 26 18:17:33 ? Oct 26 18:17:54 FIQ: because it restored some parts of your rootfs Oct 26 18:18:06 hmm ok Oct 26 18:18:17 namely, all the files with a modify date of 0 Oct 26 18:18:18 :) Oct 26 18:18:27 fair enough Oct 26 18:18:36 i'm quite sure there's a good number of those Oct 26 18:18:45 i bet it's an easily fixed bug Oct 26 18:18:50 just tell untar to ignore wrong dates Oct 26 18:18:55 yep Oct 26 18:18:57 tar/untar, ofc Oct 26 18:19:54 too bad I can't re-restore the backup that I did before the restore of my first backup Oct 26 18:20:33 too bad your system is too borked to properly mount the MMC now Oct 26 18:20:37 yeah Oct 26 18:20:49 FIQ: u dun goofd Oct 26 18:21:08 otherwise you easily could fix the tarbal to have only filedates of epoch Oct 26 18:21:32 then re-restore Oct 26 18:21:40 * kerio ponders about a mechanical typer that types the uuencoded tarball on the n900's keyboard Oct 26 18:21:44 how would that work exactly? Oct 26 18:21:51 @ DocScrutinizer05 Oct 26 18:22:11 as it's on device, and don't even mention mass storage :p Oct 26 18:22:37 so say for example someone borks their onboard os. does the n900 auto boot an inserted micro sd card first? Oct 26 18:22:48 FIQ: uuencode, cat, high-fps camera, ocr, uudecode Oct 26 18:22:52 the default bootloader doesn't Oct 26 18:23:00 well, you unpack your backup.tar on PC, run sth like touch -r --date 1978.1.1 *, and re-tar the whole stuff. Then insert that uSD to N900 Oct 26 18:23:07 well thats conforting Oct 26 18:23:18 cough. con. cough Oct 26 18:23:28 DocScrutinizer05: makes sense if I would have the backup on SD card Oct 26 18:23:31 ccssnet: nope, but you can reflash as long as you have a computer handy and a working usb Oct 26 18:23:40 ya Oct 26 18:23:41 ccssnet: uboot can also boot from the uSD Oct 26 18:24:10 ok so first step for someone like me would be to replace bootloader and hope i dont brick it.. Oct 26 18:24:12 great Oct 26 18:24:27 well flashing is kinda easy Oct 26 18:24:47 and rootfs memory usually isn't critical (except for installed stuff), settings, etc persist Oct 26 18:24:55 ccssnet: do I detect sarcasm paired with ignorance? Oct 26 18:24:59 unless you happen to have a broken microUSB, it's fine Oct 26 18:25:26 ah. well i ask because the open pandora i have auto boots an inserted SD card if a file called autoboot.txt is present :) Oct 26 18:25:39 so what? Oct 26 18:25:41 and certainly not ignorance. just poking sarcasm Oct 26 18:25:45 we don't even need that Oct 26 18:25:50 booting SD card would really help Oct 26 18:26:09 as it would (with right software obviously) enable me to reflash on-device Oct 26 18:26:16 but, as I can't do that.. yeah Oct 26 18:26:24 FIQ: that's why i installed uboot :) Oct 26 18:26:27 FIQ: then you ought have setup uBoot accordingly Oct 26 18:26:31 and i even have a bootable onboard rescueOS Oct 26 18:26:58 DocScrutinizer05: currently I don't have uboot, but i'll make sure to get that Oct 26 18:27:06 ...this feels a bit like the last time I got into trouble Oct 26 18:27:11 ccssnet: how's the openpandora, btw? Oct 26 18:27:16 "you don't have backupmenu? omg" Oct 26 18:27:31 kerio: a little thicker then i expected Oct 26 18:27:33 but nice Oct 26 18:27:47 FIQ: indeed I didn't know BM has such a nasty bug Oct 26 18:28:05 FIQ: and I'm still not entirely believing it Oct 26 18:28:25 DocScrutinizer05: well it was the only sight of error that I saw Oct 26 18:28:37 if you plan to buy one with intentions on booting SD cards on the open pandora. only buy high end SD cards. just a tip. Oct 26 18:28:44 Errors: XX | Last error: /random/file is 4802985s into the future Oct 26 18:28:57 yeah, and it's a strong indicator of sth fishy in that restore Oct 26 18:29:39 DocScrutinizer05: i had that too Oct 26 18:29:44 * DocScrutinizer05 makes mental note to a) look into bootmenu, b) pester robbiethe1st to FIX DAT SHITE Oct 26 18:29:49 :) Oct 26 18:30:01 the annoying part was that I *knew* that the wrong date was set, I just was unaware that it would cause this Oct 26 18:30:01 luckily bootmenu has a way to give you a shell via usb networking Oct 26 18:30:26 FIQ: I would have fallen into that pitfall as well Oct 26 18:30:28 *booted up Maemo by mistake after battery swap* "hey, time was reset... oh well, let's reboot, it's not like anything would go wrong anyway" Oct 26 18:31:20 and usually battery swap doesn't reset clock, i was just too slow this time (which is unusual for me on its' own) Oct 26 18:32:26 FIQ: the worst pity in all this: probably your audio wpuld've been fixable without a restore Oct 26 18:33:13 D: Oct 26 18:33:39 DocScrutinizer05: btw, the implimentation the open pandora uses with boot.txt and autoboot.txt versus the n900 requirement to flash the boot loader is obviosly leaning towards the pandora for the win. since their implimentation doesnt involve possible bricked devices... Oct 26 18:34:06 meh Oct 26 18:34:10 ccssnet: pandora is a nice device Oct 26 18:34:21 I would buy it today if it wasn't for the price being a bit on the high side Oct 26 18:34:34 selling mine now :) Oct 26 18:34:57 ccssnet: please stop ranting based on ignorance, there's no such thing as a bricked N900, unless you got hw defects like FIQ Oct 26 18:35:13 yeah Oct 26 18:35:17 DocScrutinizer05: please stop being the hostile channel aggressor Oct 26 18:35:23 * kerio grabs the popcorn Oct 26 18:35:39 unless microUSB is broken, all I would do is just plugging in n900 and enter a command on bash Oct 26 18:35:43 ~1min max Oct 26 18:35:49 and then I could restore backup properly Oct 26 18:35:53 easy Oct 26 18:35:59 FIQ: hell, robbiethe1st has a fiasco image with backupmenu preinstalled Oct 26 18:36:04 * DocScrutinizer05 breaks ccssnet's pandora MMC card holder, then asks "what's with not brickable now? eh?" Oct 26 18:36:25 ^ a g r e s s o r Oct 26 18:36:29 *g g Oct 26 18:37:32 oh well, i'll have to google for a repair thing nearly Oct 26 18:37:46 ccssnet: btw, which bootloader does the OP use? Oct 26 18:38:00 anyway the way that was worded he expected a reply. DocScrutinizer05 it can boot either of the sd slots. as well as the internal nand. Oct 26 18:38:00 uBoot, what else Oct 26 18:38:05 kerio: a modified uboot Oct 26 18:38:15 ccssnet: ok, what if both SD slots break? Oct 26 18:38:31 then you should still boot internal nand? Oct 26 18:38:45 and if it happens to be broken? Oct 26 18:38:47 ccssnet: we're going with "you borked your rootfs" Oct 26 18:38:51 firmware this time Oct 26 18:38:52 that's the hypothetical scenario Oct 26 18:38:54 yeah Oct 26 18:39:19 the funny part is, my n900 isn't even bricked, theoretically Oct 26 18:39:24 ccssnet: I'm not interested in eductating you on a premise of your assumption to know better Oct 26 18:39:36 well its a very unlikely scenario to have a band nand internal, and both sd card slots bad... Oct 26 18:39:36 FIQ: well, it can't boot Oct 26 18:39:46 If anyone in here is using TweeGo and wants it working again, I hacked together a fix http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1285988#post1285988 Oct 26 18:39:48 ccssnet: anyway your comments are not contributing anything helpful Oct 26 18:39:50 Probably, with some luck, I would probably be able to restore it here and now after some tries and a little of me being frustrated Oct 26 18:40:04 DocScrutinizer05: you cant teach me anything anyway. stop trying to turn me into an unwelcome channel member Oct 26 18:40:08 But due to the risk of breaking microUSB completly, i'll look for a repair shop first Oct 26 18:40:44 ccssnet: this channel is not for debating OpenPandora Oct 26 18:40:54 there's probably #openpandora Oct 26 18:41:13 TROLL GO AWAY. k thx. Oct 26 18:41:36 FIQ: ebay has some repair services available if you want to trust some random ebayers Oct 26 18:42:24 DocScrutinizer05: I hope the audio really is fw though, going through the trouble of finding a good repair shop, then getting back the n900 after a month and realizing audio was hw after all would be a little demotivating Oct 26 18:42:35 ccssnet: it's well known that NOLO (N900 bootloader) is not the optimal approach Oct 26 18:43:14 4 messages later he finally states a relivant, not hostile opinion ^ Oct 26 18:43:18 but we already dealt with that, by introducing uBoot for N900, which can do everything you were concerned about Oct 26 18:43:53 and thus all your rant is not giving us any new idea about the issue Oct 26 18:44:37 thank you for catching up. would you like me to retype my original message that spawned your passive aggressive responses? Oct 26 18:45:05 anyway im out for now Oct 26 18:45:14 aww, he left :( Oct 26 18:45:38 I'm not sure if that's a huge loss Oct 26 18:45:38 we didn't have a troll since E*_ was banned Oct 26 18:46:00 E*_? Oct 26 18:46:03 you can't be a good irc channel without at least a couple of resident trolls! Oct 26 18:46:10 the first the come to mind is estel Oct 26 18:46:21 kerio: we got you for that ;-P Oct 26 18:46:34 that's why i said "a couple of" c: Oct 26 18:47:00 FIQ: close Oct 26 18:51:18 merlin1991: twitter? :-o Oct 26 18:52:30 btw N900 actually can boot from uSD just as pandora does Oct 26 18:52:57 since ROMBL is checking on first MMC for xloader Oct 26 18:53:50 wait Oct 26 18:53:52 it might actually work to move NOLO to uSD, name it accordingly, and N900 would boot it from there Oct 26 18:53:58 so I can boot on SD? Oct 26 18:54:12 you can load xloader from there, yes Oct 26 18:54:25 hm Oct 26 18:54:26 but xloader is fairly "static" in what it does Oct 26 18:54:29 that doesn't tell me too much Oct 26 18:54:58 isn't it? Oct 26 18:55:29 FIQ: it's like saying you can have initial bootcode not only in MBR of first HDD but also on USB stick Oct 26 18:55:33 Pali: *poke*, we might need your consultancy here Oct 26 18:55:37 also I've realized that I'm bad at finding good repair shops (or any shop for that matter) nearby Oct 26 18:55:51 DocScrutinizer05: ah, yeah, but I thought N900 wouldn't accept that Oct 26 18:56:44 because if it would, I guess my current problem would be possible to be solved without reflash, by using a bootloader that doesn't exist yet to boot up something on the SD card Oct 26 18:56:47 FIQ: the problem is we seem to be unable to avoid NOLO, and NOLO is booting kernel partition of NAND Oct 26 18:56:54 kerio, sorry but now I *must* prepare for ACM ICPC (tomorrow)! Oct 26 18:56:58 :( Oct 26 18:57:07 but we need to help FIQ! Oct 26 18:57:12 Pali: good luck! Oct 26 18:57:20 and yeah, good luck :) Oct 26 18:57:22 gl Pali Oct 26 18:57:27 kerio: nothing pali could do Oct 26 18:57:32 thanks :-) Oct 26 18:57:37 DocScrutinizer05: xloader+uboot to load rescueOS Oct 26 18:57:51 might be feasible Oct 26 18:58:03 but you'd need uboot to completely replace NOLO Oct 26 18:58:12 if somebody would know how to make uBoot completely replace NOLO Oct 26 18:58:22 hm, is "NOLO" pronounced like "YOLO"? Oct 26 18:58:36 if I could place bootloader in SD card to load something like uboot, that itself also load an OS from SD card, all bypassing the usual process (i.e. skipping NAND), then it would work Oct 26 18:59:10 probably not with optimal spec (it's class 2 I believe), but enough Oct 26 18:59:23 FIQ: alas we need NOLO so far, since it does some unknown magic to crank up N900 hw Oct 26 18:59:28 afaik Oct 26 18:59:50 hmm Oct 26 19:00:23 I seem to recall recent efforts to replace NOLO by uBoot completely, and yes that's probably actually pali to ask Oct 26 19:01:08 I dunno how far those efforts have matured Oct 26 19:02:11 wouldn't replacement of bootloader break usual flashing approach? Oct 26 19:02:18 yes Oct 26 19:02:49 FIQ: uboot is *a lot* more flexible than NOLO Oct 26 19:03:06 but lacking some magic Oct 26 19:03:06 the possibilities are endless! Oct 26 19:03:45 DocScrutinizer05: yes twitter, and if you don't like the evil corporation you can always use ident.ca or how it's called Oct 26 19:03:48 probably part of that magic being a malicious spell we'd be happy to get rid of Oct 26 19:04:05 merlin1991: aah :-D Oct 26 19:07:17 kerio: uBoot had to learn to initialize low level stuff like RAM, framebuffer, etc Oct 26 19:08:07 for now the uBoot we got been shrinked to death regarding those capabilities I'd guess Oct 26 19:08:40 since there's not too much space left in kernel partition to keep 'cruft' like that Oct 26 19:09:13 found a shop that seemed promising (my dad also repaired his phone there once when he broke his display, they worked fine), but N900 isn't listed on the "phones that we support" lol Oct 26 19:09:38 * FIQ is close to just taking the "just reflash" approach atm Oct 26 19:09:38 brb Oct 26 19:09:40 well, it's just a generic piiece of HW for them Oct 26 19:09:49 you supply the 'knowledge' Oct 26 19:10:16 FIQ: what do you mean "just reflash"? Oct 26 19:10:25 they seem to be able to switch a broken display though, wouldn't that need a bit of soldering knowledge? Oct 26 19:10:33 kerio: my microUSB works barely Oct 26 19:10:55 it responds etc, and I successfully reflashed with it last month after a few hours of fiddling Oct 26 19:11:12 FIQ: swapping display usually isn't a task where you need soldering skills Oct 26 19:11:16 but during the time, it broke from "dodgy" to "barely work" Oct 26 19:13:26 FIQ: you probably still can fix (or find sb to fix) USB now. after next plug/unplug cycle that may already have changed to "now you need to follow the hard path to put a working USB receptacle on that board" Oct 26 19:14:57 which means it might be a task so challenging then that you better get a spare N900 rather than paying the same amount of money for fixing USB the hard way Oct 26 19:15:11 FIQ: that's why I suggest to fix USB *now* Oct 26 19:16:51 FIQ: or let me put it this way: now the fixing will take 30 min, after next time bending or just unplugging USB this might change to 4h to fix USB Oct 26 19:26:54 nothing is plugged atm, but I get your point Oct 26 19:37:05 Oh, and please don't tell me that this major issue was fixed something like yesterday and I just didn't have the new version yet, because even if it's true I don't want to know it :d Oct 26 19:37:30 FIQ: BM hasn't been updated recently Oct 26 19:37:44 "recently" is how long? Oct 26 19:38:12 like, a fuckton ago Oct 26 19:39:17 that works Oct 26 19:51:18 oh, by the way Oct 26 19:51:56 unrelated issue (especially as it came after the microUSB problem), but I accidently gave my n900 liquid some months ago Oct 26 19:52:03 wont repair shops deny repair of such devices? Oct 26 19:52:50 liquid did pretty much nothing except destroy my GPS chip (which I don't use), the only real issue I have with the phone is the microUSB Oct 26 19:53:52 this isn't a warrantable problem anyway Oct 26 20:05:17 another thing Oct 26 20:05:31 repair shops claim that they can, and will, erase all data on the phone Oct 26 20:05:48 I wonder how they do that if they find the problem unfixable (in their eyes) Oct 26 20:05:50 :3 Oct 26 20:06:36 big hammer Oct 26 20:06:44 lol Oct 26 20:06:59 *searches for a hammer for doing a "reflash" Oct 26 20:07:00 * Oct 26 20:12:04 i wonder... is there a way to recover an erased eraseblock of the NAND? Oct 26 21:06:38 kerio, by "erased", do you mean zeroed, or simply marked as free? Oct 26 21:11:23 Hurrian: by "erased" i mean erased Oct 26 21:11:35 it has a precise meaning, when talking about MTDs Oct 26 21:12:22 ah, right. Oct 26 21:13:40 you may want to look up UBIFS erase behavior Oct 26 21:15:08 iirc jffs2 erases simply mark the volume as empty to save on writes Oct 26 21:19:55 Hurrian: nah, i'm talking about a raw flash_eraseall Oct 26 21:20:46 You can't rewrite flash, it has to be erased first. Erasing is slow, so ubi and jffs2 would do it in advance if they get the chance. Oct 26 21:21:05 Also, zeroed is the exact opposite of erased :) Oct 26 21:21:23 When erased it'd be all ones, then when writing the 1s you dont want to stick are zeroed Oct 26 21:26:29 FIQ: SpeedEvil: or a good shot of X-rays Oct 26 21:26:43 ? Oct 26 21:26:49 kerio: depends - usually not Oct 26 21:27:12 FIQ: (( I wonder how they do that if they find the problem unfixable (in their eyes))) Oct 26 21:27:28 hmm ok Oct 26 21:28:14 flash is basically glorified oldfashined EPROM Oct 26 21:28:43 eeprom*? Oct 26 21:28:56 still info bits are some 1000 electrons sitting on an isolated pad of aluminium in SiO2 Oct 26 21:29:26 FIQ: I intentionally left out the E for "Electrically" Oct 26 21:29:44 oki Oct 26 21:29:47 before EEPROM there been EPROM which had a glass window to erase with UV Oct 26 21:30:41 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Eprom.jpg Oct 26 21:31:17 how is flash erased if not electrically? Oct 26 21:31:18 obviously for erasure via xray you don't need a glass window Oct 26 21:31:37 nox-: via xray, as mentioned above Oct 26 21:31:48 well i mean normally :) Oct 26 21:32:01 normally you erase it electrically Oct 26 21:32:10 ok Oct 26 21:32:12 that "flash" Oct 26 21:32:26 FIQ: I intentionally left out the E for "Electrically" Oct 26 21:32:42 it's basically a high voltage that jumps over the isolating SiO2 Oct 26 21:32:56 i c Oct 26 21:33:30 nox-: read context Oct 26 21:33:54 i guess im too tired... Oct 26 21:34:02 but its not important :) Oct 26 21:34:13 flash is basically glorified oldfashined EPROM eeprom*? FIQ: I intentionally left out the E for "Electrically" Oct 26 21:34:33 ok why did you leave out the first e? Oct 26 21:34:36 seems you like to hl me :D Oct 26 21:34:47 since my suggestion been to erase it via xray Oct 26 21:34:52 oh haha Oct 26 21:35:05 nox-, eprom had window, you shined strong Ultraviolet light at it. Then they invented way to erase it electrically, and it became known as eeprom. Oct 26 21:35:12 yes i know... Oct 26 21:37:31 FIQ: btw this suggestion been not honest, since you'd for sure ruin the device with hard xray, since it erases *all* flash end other EPROM Oct 26 21:37:49 there are several of those in N900, and some are not recoverable Oct 26 21:38:02 :) Oct 26 21:38:06 er, it's not like i'll test anything of this :p Oct 26 21:38:14 and then there's also elctret mic which also gets depolarized Oct 26 21:39:12 that's in the headpiece Oct 26 21:39:12 if you're really interested, I might look up max allowable keV and REM for the electret mic in FreeRunner ;-D Oct 26 21:39:34 the one on board is a digital mems mic Oct 26 21:39:37 IIRC Oct 26 21:40:13 do you suggest that one has no dielectric polarized mambrane? Oct 26 21:40:14 DocScrutinizer05: so... is it possible to recover an erased block in a NAND? Oct 26 21:40:33 kerio: as already mentioned, usually not Oct 26 21:40:43 DocScrutinizer05: IIRC not Oct 26 21:40:53 but I haven't properly looked Oct 26 21:41:27 I wish I could do failure analysis on the one on my nexus 7, but it makes more sense to return it Oct 26 21:41:37 they might use active capaqcitor, they got some osc anyway Oct 26 21:42:02 so no need for electret Oct 26 21:42:11 but that's only speculation Oct 26 21:43:22 (mic failed) Oct 26 21:43:41 iirc at least SoC has mask PROM, so that one should be safe re X-ray Oct 26 21:44:16 BT, WLAN, ALS... all that are an entirely different story Oct 26 21:45:34 and probably you should do a CAL-dump prior to exposing your N900 to a good x-ray shot, anyway Oct 26 22:33:32 modest seems to have a bug using nokia messaging. Reply starts with wrong date "On Thu 1 Jan 1970 .....", instead of the email date. Oct 26 22:34:18 This is on thumb btw. However on an 'imap', it is reported correctly. Oct 26 22:35:24 merlin1991: ^^ Oct 26 22:41:44 trumee: seems unrelated to thunb Oct 26 22:42:32 * DocScrutinizer05 just notices that good docs about 3-wire coexistence of WLAN and BT is hard to find Oct 26 22:48:26 hmm, http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Documentation/Bluetooth-coexistence Oct 26 22:49:49 DocScrutinizer05: yes maybe it is a cssu bug Oct 26 22:50:07 more possible Oct 26 22:50:34 or a nokia messaging bug ;-P Oct 26 22:51:38 I thought nokia messaging was discontinued ages ago? Oct 26 22:51:52 nope, working fine on my N900 Oct 26 22:55:54 trumee: anyway, could you check against stock modest? Oct 26 22:56:32 DocScrutinizer05: nope, need somebody else to check that Oct 26 22:56:41 hmm Oct 26 22:57:07 I'm not even using any mail, not to think about noka messaging, on N900 Oct 26 22:58:19 anyway, please check complete properties and raw source text of the message you replied, often the dates are inconsistent Oct 26 23:00:17 there's date sender writes to mail header, then a date where mail server delivered mail also in header, and then there's the date on your local device that indicates when the mail got received Oct 26 23:00:55 ah, nokia messaging doesnt display Received and Sent dates on clicking "Message details", which it does for imap client Oct 26 23:01:02 the latter possibly found in file properties of that mail Oct 26 23:01:34 DocScrutinizer05: there is no way to raw header in modest Oct 26 23:01:42 :-S Oct 26 23:01:43 *way to see Oct 26 23:02:20 could you forward full msg to a more versatile mailer? Oct 26 23:03:06 obviously this will discard/miss the local properties like mdate of file Oct 26 23:03:15 but header info should stay intact Oct 26 23:03:47 hmm, seems it can only forward as 'inline' email, meaning header will be lost Oct 26 23:09:40 trumee: I can watch raw text on sth like ~/.modest/cache/mail/pop/<$account_name>_110/cache/3d/1299184634.10 Oct 26 23:10:06 maybe for nokia messaging there's something similar, though probably not under pop Oct 26 23:16:39 btw nfc what's 1299184634, seems like a random ID string modest is using everywhere on my N900 mail Oct 26 23:16:56 actually all files are named 1299184634.* Oct 26 23:17:20 lol @ that Oct 26 23:20:57 seconds since 1970 Oct 26 23:26:46 oooh Oct 26 23:27:03 so WTF are all my mails same seconds-since then? Oct 26 23:27:28 dunno Oct 26 23:28:56 smells like a fat bug in modest Oct 26 23:29:07 my t900 looks quite different Oct 26 23:29:44 then otoh I haven't used modest since it got "fixed" in cssu Oct 26 23:29:57 on IroN900 Oct 26 23:30:28 so it might well be a real bug that had been there but is fixed since long Oct 26 23:31:39 most recent files' timestamps are 2012-05-09 21:16, but most are from 2011 Oct 26 23:32:11 SpeedEvil: anyway goot spotting :-D Oct 26 23:32:14 good Oct 26 23:33:24 SpeedEvil: now just tell me how to use date(1) to print a human digestible format from 1299184634 ;-) Oct 26 23:36:52 SpeedEvil: nevermind, date --help provides a verbatim example for it Oct 26 23:37:05 awk '{print(srtftime("%c",$0)}' Oct 26 23:37:09 argh Oct 26 23:37:26 typing on a virtual keyboard isn't fun Oct 26 23:37:33 date -d '@1299184634' Oct 26 23:37:34 Do 3. Mär 21:37:14 CET 2011 Oct 26 23:37:40 makes sense Oct 26 23:37:45 I may have the arguments the wrong way round Oct 26 23:44:16 anyway, on t900 (stock fremantle) it looks like: Oct 26 23:44:46 ./cache/mail/pop/reisenx@gmx.net__pop.gmx.net_110/cache/02: Oct 26 23:44:48 -rw------- 1 user users 20182 Mar 30 2012 01ZvxE-1Rkh2q2t6k-00ULFK Oct 26 23:45:34 while on IroN900, it looks like: Oct 26 23:46:02 .modest/cache/mail/pop/jr__lagrax.cloux.de_110/cache/02: Oct 26 23:46:04 -rw------- 1 user users 1307 2011-12-01 23:30 1299184634.63 Oct 26 23:47:29 on t900 the string 01ZvxE-1Rkh2q2t6k-00ULFK is truely random and new for each file, while on IroN900 all files are named 1299184634.[0-9]{2} Oct 27 00:04:23 Hello, can someone please help me. I manually installed nitdroid with uboot and when i try to download apps apk files off the net it says no sd card. How do i mount the optfs folder in maemo permenently in nitdroid for applications? Oct 27 00:07:01 Any help pls Oct 27 00:07:12 /join #nitdroid Oct 27 00:11:28 I did. No advice Oct 27 00:12:21 Been trying and doing research and cant find anything Oct 27 00:52:08 hello! how do i install maemo sql with qemu? i installed qemu and qemu-launcher and downloaded Maemo_Ubuntu_Lucid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.7z Oct 27 00:52:14 s/sql/sdk/ Oct 27 00:52:14 gry meant: hello! how do i install maemo sdk with qemu? i installed qemu and qemu-launcher and downloaded Maemo_Ubuntu_Lucid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.7z Oct 27 01:40:12 gry, that Oct 27 01:40:24 *that's not the Maemo 5 QEMU rootfs Oct 27 01:40:30 iirc it's for vmware or something Oct 27 01:41:11 what exactly do you want to do? do you want to set up a N900 hardware emulation QEMU, or the Maemo 5 SDK for building apps? Oct 27 01:41:30 for the latter all you need to do is run the python script Oct 27 01:42:18 Hurrian, thanks, I'm trying to run some sort of emulation platform, such as a virtual machines do. Oct 27 01:44:03 Hurrian, I had maemo SDK installed at a point, I don't remember how it worked but it had files in random places such as /scratchbox, and was not easy to delete; I'd prefer something that's easy to delete, like a virtual machine Oct 27 01:44:57 unzip that file you just downloaded, and run it in vmware. Oct 27 01:45:06 make a snapshot so you can clean up nice and easy. Oct 27 01:47:04 I'm afraid I don't have vmware installed, because it's proprietary, or somesuch Oct 27 01:47:35 well, you can import the vmdk into virtualbox Oct 27 01:48:47 and it'd boot Oct 27 02:06:15 btw nfc what's 1299184634, seems like a random ID string modest is using everywhere on my N900 mail Oct 27 02:06:21 looks like unix timestamp Oct 27 02:06:33 err nvm, speed said that Oct 27 02:07:30 Thu, 03 Mar 2011 20:37:14 GMT apparently Oct 27 02:35:24 Sign up for Steam's Linux beta now: http://t.co/1wrFORSO Oct 27 02:36:51 already did :) Oct 27 02:39:24 Already did as well Oct 27 02:40:02 I answered honestly. Which probably means I'll get excluded, if they exclude anyone not putting ubuntu Oct 27 02:40:46 One would hope they understand that linux users with experience can switch between distros, or figure things out with a lack of support. Oct 27 02:41:45 I'm pretty sure they are aware of it, and expect that a bunch of people answered with one of the options and will take it to fedora/arch right away Oct 27 02:41:51 but Oct 27 02:42:00 they aren't really looking for that at the moment Oct 27 02:43:09 I'll be interested to see how it comes out. If I get included, I will sing valve's praise. If not, I will post angry messages on the forum and complain mightily! Oct 27 02:44:31 I'm hoping they also look at wine usage, and corrilate it to actual wine data from Steam. Oct 27 02:45:10 Because, well, if I can run Steam for Windows on Debian with Wine, and use Pulseaudio while doing so... I can make /anything/ work Oct 27 02:45:43 heheh Oct 27 02:46:06 Meh. If steam would ever /update/ or stop sending such large TF2 patches... I'd really like to shoot some people, darnit! Oct 27 02:46:07 hah, me too - ticked Other Oct 27 02:46:40 Other on...? Oct 27 02:46:46 OS? Oct 27 02:46:55 yes, OS Oct 27 02:47:20 Gentoo user? Oct 27 02:47:24 Or arch? Oct 27 02:49:04 Arch :D it's obvious that when you claim to be a Linux user for more than 5 years, willing to fill survey, you can switch a distro as the worst case scenario Oct 27 02:49:42 I'd think so Oct 27 02:50:49 But then again, any company who'd roll out a Linux release like a Windows or Mac one... Oct 27 02:51:21 Instead of just saying "Here, here's our unfinished dev version. Give us a list of bugs here at this bugzilla. Oct 27 02:54:55 it's more like a clever marketing for me, to engage all those geeks and make the Linux titles sell well when out of beta Oct 27 02:55:01 ok, time to get some sleep, o&o. Oct 27 02:56:24 me too. the sleep and the Arch bits. Oct 27 02:56:43 I dont even game that much but just had to sign **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Oct 27 03:00:01 2012