**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Nov 01 02:59:58 2012 Nov 01 07:00:13 MrPingu: I'll place those files to some location where you could wget them in raw format Nov 01 09:15:45 freemangordon: ping Nov 01 09:20:36 vi__: pong Nov 01 09:22:20 hey Nov 01 09:22:33 what is the incantation for backing swap? Nov 01 09:23:39 rephrase please Nov 01 09:24:50 vi__: BTW try the new libgstdsp.so, to check if it solves your problems with mafw and running dots Nov 01 09:25:02 running dots? Nov 01 09:25:09 in media player Nov 01 09:25:12 you mean the 45degrees slanty video? Nov 01 09:25:17 naah Nov 01 09:25:30 this is some problem in cutetube Nov 01 09:25:43 right. Nov 01 09:25:52 I meant when you try to ope a video, it gets stuck on dots in media player Nov 01 09:26:05 *open Nov 01 09:26:17 thumb repo? Nov 01 09:26:26 naah, 720p thread Nov 01 09:26:35 ok Nov 01 09:26:51 what is the command to insmod ramzswap with backingswap. Nov 01 09:27:01 The irc log page is crashing my browseR! Nov 01 09:28:47 i thought ramzswap wasn't worth it Nov 01 09:29:23 YOU ARNT WORTH IT. Nov 01 09:31:07 i'm not :( Nov 01 09:31:31 aw, I was only joking. Nov 01 09:32:05 freemangordon: I see there are 3 deb files and libgstdsp.zip Nov 01 09:33:00 freemangordon: on cssu-tumb, is there an option to use bootimg instead of flasher? Nov 01 09:33:27 Is it correct to assume that I need to dpkg -i the debs and extract libgstdsp.zip to the appropriate place? Nov 01 09:33:34 vi__: no Nov 01 09:33:43 Also, this is compiled for kernel-cssu3? Nov 01 09:33:52 it is only libgstdsp.zip that is updated Nov 01 09:33:57 freemangordon: aaah Nov 01 09:34:03 vi__: you have 720p codecs, right? Nov 01 09:34:15 yah Nov 01 09:34:44 freemangordon: also, cssu-thumb didn't allow flasher to be uninstalled when I have bootimg already Nov 01 09:34:57 so, request packaging fix :) Nov 01 09:35:51 I don't need cssu-kernel-flasher wiping my uboot+KP51 on every update Nov 01 09:36:13 or maybe there is a dpkg trick I can try? Nov 01 09:36:22 vi__: you modprobe ramzswap according to the instructions, nothing special there Nov 01 09:37:05 jon_y: you need either kernel-cssu or kernel-power flashers installed Nov 01 09:37:14 there is just no option Nov 01 09:37:23 and I won;t change that Nov 01 09:37:35 ok, can it detect the new uboot string? Nov 01 09:37:58 well, fiasco-update-flasher-ask from pali seemed to be able to check it Nov 01 09:39:06 or maybe a "I know what I'm doing dammit" mode to avoid trashing uboot Nov 01 09:39:06 vi__: modprobe ramzswap memlimit_kb=12000 backing_swap=/dev/your_cool_swap_device Nov 01 09:40:16 freemangordon: or check that kernel-power-bootimg is installed? Nov 01 09:40:43 jon_y: that was discussed already with Pali and the decision was made Nov 01 09:40:51 ok Nov 01 09:40:55 also, I don;t know what your problem s Nov 01 09:40:58 *is Nov 01 09:41:13 I have CSSU-thumb and u-boot on my second device Nov 01 09:41:16 freemangordon: installing cssu wiped out the uboot flash Nov 01 09:41:26 jon_y: but of course Nov 01 09:41:39 need to reflash and install kernel-cssu-bootimg Nov 01 09:41:54 did you have KP flasher installed prior to installing cssu-thumb? Nov 01 09:42:06 kernel-cssu-flasher can't be uninstalled properly Nov 01 09:42:25 no, I'm using uboot with kp bootimg Nov 01 09:42:31 u-boot does not provide needed dependencies Nov 01 09:42:53 well, that is why kernel-cssu was flashed Nov 01 09:43:37 ok, so would removing kernel-cssu-flasher and cssu thumb and then reinstall with kp flasher be enough? Nov 01 09:43:58 what are you trying to achieve? Nov 01 09:44:38 I don't want to be forced to reflash if there is ever a cssu kernel update Nov 01 09:44:45 installing u-boot and NOT removing kernel-cssu-flasher should allow you to have u-boot and cssu-thumb Nov 01 09:45:08 wouldn't it put kernel-cssu-flasher if there is an update to kernel-cssu-flasher? Nov 01 09:45:14 jon_y: you won;t be Nov 01 09:45:33 what do you mean? Nov 01 09:46:25 will it not flash the cssu kernel again if there was an update to the cssu kernel? Nov 01 09:46:29 s/you/it/ Nov 01 09:46:29 freemangordon meant: jon_y: it won;t be Nov 01 09:47:01 no, as metapackage depends on either kernel-cssu or kernel-power >= 51r1 Nov 01 09:47:36 assuming you have kernel-power-flasher installed Nov 01 09:47:46 >= 51r1 Nov 01 09:48:07 kernel-power or kernel-power-flasher? Nov 01 09:48:25 I have the former and the bootimg installed Nov 01 09:48:27 kernel-power-flasher Nov 01 09:48:40 (iirc) Nov 01 09:49:21 ok, so no way to prevent a forced cssu kernel flasher update if I am using bootimg with KP51r1? Nov 01 09:49:22 jon_y: you shoould have -flasher too Nov 01 09:49:38 jon_y: there is, read the backscroll Nov 01 09:49:52 no, I'm using uboot, kernel-power-flasher is not needed Nov 01 09:49:56 don't remove kernel-power-flasher package Nov 01 09:50:01 only the bootimg and modules Nov 01 09:50:08 it is, by cssu-thumb Nov 01 09:50:49 pali and you decided to depend on kernel-power-flasher and not kernel-power because? Nov 01 09:52:03 jon_y: or you can download http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/develdebs/gcc-4.7.2_fremantle_armel/sb-thumb-errata-provider_0.1-1_armel.deb Nov 01 09:52:17 what does it do? Nov 01 09:52:29 provides needed dependency Nov 01 09:52:34 jon_y: Pali has a rejigged fiasco-image-update that asks for confirmation Nov 01 09:52:52 kerio: I can press cancel? Nov 01 09:52:55 yep Nov 01 09:53:00 freemangordon: thanks I'll try that Nov 01 09:53:03 and apt is then convinced you installed the right package Nov 01 09:53:28 kerio: is that fiasco-image-update-ask? Nov 01 09:53:54 yes Nov 01 09:54:15 which version? I had 0.1 when I installed cssu-thumb Nov 01 09:54:22 no way to press cancel Nov 01 09:54:43 huh? Nov 01 09:54:49 as usual, tap on the blurred area Nov 01 09:54:51 :) Nov 01 09:54:58 that's hildon-desktop 101 Nov 01 09:55:13 only an "Agree" box and "Accept" button Nov 01 09:55:28 yeah, and if you tap on the blurred area it goes away Nov 01 09:55:37 hmm, ok Nov 01 09:57:09 also, what is this semi hidden cssu-devel repo I found? :) Nov 01 09:57:24 cssu-stable, cssu-testing, and cssu-devel Nov 01 09:57:31 oh and cssu-thumb Nov 01 09:57:42 hidden in plain sight Nov 01 09:58:42 is cssu-devel like debian sid unstable? Nov 01 10:00:03 freemangordon: when uninstalling the cssu flasher, it still requires mp-fremantle-community-pr to be uninstalled Nov 01 10:00:19 jon_y: it is more stable than sid, the crazy kid next door. Nov 01 10:00:27 after installing sb-thumb-erata-provider Nov 01 10:00:42 vi__: compared to testing? Nov 01 10:02:48 jon_y: well, uninstall -mp thingie then Nov 01 10:02:58 you will upgrade by hand Nov 01 10:03:34 does it still upgrade cssu-thumb releases? Nov 01 10:03:54 jon_y: but you won't have the other packages uninstalled because of the missing dependencies Nov 01 10:04:05 rephrase Nov 01 10:04:47 ok, so all the new thumb packages will depend on sb-thumb-errata-provider Nov 01 10:04:57 but mp-fremantle-community-pr itself depends on the flashers? Nov 01 10:06:16 jon_y: every package in thumb (besides -mp) depends on kernel-feature-errata-123456-workaround Nov 01 10:06:32 which is normaly provided by the kernel package Nov 01 10:06:56 sb-thumb-errata-provider is a fake package with Provides: kernel-feature-errata-123456-workaround Nov 01 10:07:12 it is supposed to be used in ScratchBox only, not on the device Nov 01 10:07:13 I see Nov 01 10:08:05 so, when you have it installed on the device, you can remove kernel-*-flashers and -mp, but thumbified packages won;t get uninstalled Nov 01 10:08:47 I understand, it would up to my responsibility not to boot the wrong kernel Nov 01 10:09:05 exactly Nov 01 10:09:44 I'm fine with that Nov 01 10:10:26 I just did not like it that mp-fremantle-community-pr forced a kernel flash Nov 01 10:12:54 whoa, uninstalling mp-fremantle-community-pr and kernel-cssu-flasher and then reinstalling them did not ask for a reflash Nov 01 10:13:27 maybe time to fake a version number Nov 01 10:13:38 How do I retrieve the current GPS coordinates on my N900 using command line? Is there some dbus command that I can use, or some cmd-line utility, or something? Nov 01 10:14:14 kwtm: Look up liblocation and python. Nov 01 10:14:26 vi__: Thx, will check. Nov 01 10:14:28 There is an example script that will return your location. Nov 01 10:15:13 jon_y: I supose that is what you were trying to achieve :) Nov 01 10:15:17 *suppose Nov 01 10:15:30 yes, I will fake version 1000 :) Nov 01 10:15:44 why? Nov 01 10:15:50 don't do that Nov 01 10:16:21 noone cares what is the version of sb-thumb-errata-provider Nov 01 10:16:41 not that, the flasher version Nov 01 10:16:52 you don;t need that either Nov 01 10:17:12 the only thing you need is some package which has Provides: kernel-feature-errata-123456-workaroun Nov 01 10:17:56 well, I'm trying to keep mp-fremantle-community-pr, but without kernel-cssu-flasher Nov 01 10:18:14 so the settings -> about cssu shows some meaningful info Nov 01 10:19:23 hopefully, I'm explaining myself well enough Nov 01 10:21:13 this is from Depends: of -mp Nov 01 10:21:15 kernel-cssu-flasher ( = 1:2.6.28-10cssu3 ) | kernel-power-flasher ( >= 1:2.6.28-10power51r1 ), Nov 01 10:22:59 thanks freemangordon Nov 01 10:25:19 vi__: for python-location and liblocation0, both of which are already installed, I have to say I don't find the example script -- I've even checked through the .deb file manually. Is there a script somewhere on the web that I could browse? Nov 01 10:33:20 the script is on the wiki Nov 01 11:15:43 freemangordon: looks like I got worked up over nothing Nov 01 11:15:55 flasher is an empty postinstall package Nov 01 11:33:16 hi. I can't download images from http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php anymore. Do you guys know a mirror of the latest emmc/rootfs images? Nov 01 11:44:14 mer_ge, why can't you? Nov 01 11:44:18 mer_ge: maybe maemo.cloud-7.de has something Nov 01 11:44:50 but indeed, why can't you download from primary source nokia? Nov 01 11:44:53 mer_ge, I can download from tablets-dev. Nov 01 11:47:32 hm Nov 01 11:48:21 mer_ge: btw I actually did not provide a 'mirror' of fiasco.bin on maemo.cloud-7 Nov 01 11:48:58 mer_ge: what's the problem? Nov 01 11:49:45 ok sorry, seemed to be a problem on my side. caching, I don't know. works now. thanks Nov 01 11:52:09 np Nov 01 11:56:32 but yes, all Nokia sites are notorious for their nasty braindamaged authentication and other stuff, that often causes complete epic fail of whole page while not exactly giving any indication what's the actual problem, like your browser's cookie policy, js support, cache, whatnot. Many Nokia sites only work with FireFox in default config Nov 01 11:57:02 jon_y: flasher isn't empty Nov 01 11:57:06 it's a script in postinstall Nov 01 11:59:57 one nokia site placed a cookie "session expires: 1978-01-01" that never expired itself and never got deleted or replaced automatically, since you were not able to log in again Nov 01 12:01:32 FF default config would delete such cookie on session end, I.E. when you close and restart FF. If your cookie policy was a different one, you were pretty much screwed unless you know which cookie to delete Nov 01 12:03:04 kerio: yeah, I said "empty postinstall package" Nov 01 12:03:25 fuzzy wording Nov 01 12:03:42 share the cookie! Nov 01 12:03:50 or use libcurl Nov 01 12:04:25 jon_y: I forgot the details, this is like 18 months ago, minimum Nov 01 12:04:49 I used cookie/post playback to get into the n900 downloads area Nov 01 12:05:01 I haven't tried recently though Nov 01 12:05:18 and Nokia completely messed up their login a dozen times meanwhile, so I guess everything changed but not for the better today Nov 01 12:05:37 time to mirror everything? :) Nov 01 12:06:11 jon_y: on http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php I think they keep a server side table of allowed IPs that exire after 30min Nov 01 12:06:26 yeah they do Nov 01 12:06:42 just read the code on the page, and send that post when you want to download anything Nov 01 12:07:09 btw, is it safe to change the n900 hostname? Nov 01 12:07:10 I actually asked for sth like that, to provide a proper flasher script Nov 01 12:07:18 yes Nov 01 12:07:20 I do Nov 01 12:07:38 IroN900:~# hostname Nov 01 12:07:40 IroN900 Nov 01 12:07:47 ok, will name my n900 after characters from obscure shows Nov 01 12:07:56 about http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php Nov 01 12:08:04 just put into google "N900 IMEI" :) Nov 01 12:08:11 meh Nov 01 12:08:25 I'll not do that in a shellscript ;-P Nov 01 12:09:04 I'm not short on valid (even fake) IMEI that work for that site Nov 01 12:09:13 curl -F "submit=IMEI" page Nov 01 12:09:29 I'm short on a proper way to download from that site in a scripted way Nov 01 12:09:55 ooh that simple? Nov 01 12:10:04 yeah Nov 01 12:10:10 cool Nov 01 12:10:51 the submit keyword could be "Send", I haven't tested Nov 01 12:14:10 I'm too lazy to dig into curl and http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php right now, to find out about it Nov 01 12:15:16 I'd rather choose an alternative approach, which also would allow me to see how often my flashing script got used Nov 01 12:15:19 ;-D Nov 01 12:17:31 DocScrutinizer05: oh, and http referer also Nov 01 12:18:29 If Nokia was concerned enough to provide an "API" to script the download, with proper testing of IMEI, I'd be willing to change my flaher-script to implement and use that, otherwise CBA Nov 01 12:24:34 DocScrutinizer05: ok, wireshark found the post string Nov 01 12:24:39 I suck at html Nov 01 12:25:02 device=&submit=Send Nov 01 12:26:36 and to get to the downloads page add agree=I accept Nov 01 12:27:14 so -F "device=1imei1111111111" -F subit=Send -F "agree=I accept" Nov 01 12:31:19 actually, they started blocking everything Nov 01 12:31:25 its dead :( Nov 01 12:58:38 nope Nov 01 12:59:41 I'm just downloading stuff via browser, but the wireshark protocol shows some rather nasty cookie, plus I guess it still uses that serverside table of authenticated IP addr Nov 01 13:00:03 CBA to mess with this shite Nov 01 13:00:27 there are alternative ways to deploy a file Nov 01 13:01:02 even while they suck, they don't suck as much as this non-API for download Nov 01 13:02:17 ~lart the lawyers Nov 01 13:02:17 * infobot takes a big bite out of the lawyers's jugular vein Nov 01 13:02:58 ~lart infobot Nov 01 13:02:59 * infobot beats jon_y severely about the head and shoulders with a rubber chicken Nov 01 13:03:07 ~lart the infobot Nov 01 13:03:08 * infobot slaps the infobot upside the head with a wet fish Nov 01 13:03:15 "no, we mustn't allow download of that stuff without user accepting the EULA! We mustn't allow download by anybody who doesn't own a Nokia device" Nov 01 13:04:17 ~lart herself Nov 01 13:04:17 * infobot blames herself for all the evil in the world Nov 01 13:04:35 ~attack kerio Nov 01 13:04:36 * infobot grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing kerio Nov 01 13:04:41 hawt Nov 01 13:05:37 lart my server box for no proper browser installed there, so no way to directly download that shite Nov 01 13:06:13 so download to $localhist via 2MBit, then upload to server via 256kBit Nov 01 13:06:28 :-S Nov 01 13:06:36 dafaq Nov 01 13:07:42 DocScrutinizer05: just proxy it Nov 01 13:07:51 openssh can open a dynamic proxy Nov 01 13:08:29 errr wut? Nov 01 13:08:47 ssh -D 31337 yourserver Nov 01 13:08:58 and then tell your browser to use localhost:31337 as a SOCKS proxy Nov 01 13:09:06 oh nvm Nov 01 13:09:10 and how's that proxy gonna help to pick a dir on the server from the firefox "download to...:" requester? Nov 01 13:09:11 i see the problem Nov 01 13:09:52 vncserver Nov 01 13:10:21 ShadowJK: don't be ridiculous Nov 01 13:10:23 w3m Nov 01 13:10:52 great! upload will take like 4h Nov 01 13:11:27 ShadowJK: vncserver would require any X on that server, no? Nov 01 13:11:47 DocScrutinizer05: x forwarding :D Nov 01 13:11:55 (don't do it, it's awful) Nov 01 13:12:02 FFS there's NO X11 on that box! Nov 01 13:12:09 DocScrutinizer05: there's no X server Nov 01 13:12:21 it doesn't mean you can't install x libraries and an x11 program Nov 01 13:12:48 I can install whatever I like on that box, BUt I WONT for Nokia download idiocy Nov 01 13:12:59 what about w3m? Nov 01 13:13:03 it's cute :3 Nov 01 13:13:34 ~lart Nokia Nov 01 13:13:35 * infobot hooks into a hydrant and hoses Nokia down Nov 01 13:13:51 srsly though, w3m is small enough to not be that big of a bother Nov 01 13:13:57 well, lart the lawyers Nov 01 13:14:12 all the rest of Nokia probably innocent regarding this PITA Nov 01 13:14:33 hahahaha, the w3m tarball weighs less than the curl tarball Nov 01 13:14:43 oh libcurl, you so silly Nov 01 13:15:03 w3m would work via ssh in a shell? Nov 01 13:15:12 w3m is a text-mode browser, yes Nov 01 13:15:26 might be actually worth a shot Nov 01 13:15:33 kinda like lynx or links, but afaik it's better Nov 01 13:16:03 though I doubt that friggin page http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php will work right in such a textmode browser without any "plugin" shite Nov 01 13:16:32 how can i get my n900's IMEI from the commandline? Nov 01 13:16:45 kerio: it is in var somewhere Nov 01 13:16:55 "in var somewhere" Nov 01 13:17:05 so helpful Nov 01 13:17:58 kerio: get it off google :) Nov 01 13:18:39 kerio: http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control Nov 01 13:18:53 dbus-send --system --type=method_call --print-reply --dest=com.nokia.phone.SIM /com/nokia/phone/SIM/security Phone.Sim.Security.get_imei|awk -F "\"" '/g/ {print $2}' Nov 01 13:18:57 vi__: ty, but i just discovered that it's not connected to my wifi network, so i have to wait a bit Nov 01 13:20:11 awesome, found an ime Nov 01 13:20:12 i Nov 01 13:21:07 DocScrutinizer05: aww, w3m doesn't work Nov 01 13:22:30 ~spank kerio Nov 01 13:22:31 * infobot bends kerio over his knee and tatoos 'ibot' on kerio's pasty white buttocks. Nov 01 13:22:38 trying elinks now Nov 01 13:22:38 I just finished installing it Nov 01 13:23:30 it's not my fault that your server is slow :P Nov 01 13:24:03 elinks? Nov 01 13:24:11 this is no maemo device. Nov 01 13:25:24 elinks seems to support javascript Nov 01 13:25:29 LOL Nov 01 13:25:44 it supports some minor part of a subset of javascript. Nov 01 13:26:25 I remember spending days trying to get it to compile with javascript suuport on an old HP jornada 680. Nov 01 13:26:37 your mom supports some minor part of a subset of javascript Nov 01 13:26:53 THat does not even make any sense, Nov 01 13:27:41 kerio: w3m works, download finished in 3 Nov 01 13:27:43 2 Nov 01 13:27:44 oh, neat Nov 01 13:27:46 1 Nov 01 13:27:49 done Nov 01 13:27:55 ...hrmpf, it only allows one concurrent access from the same IMEI? :S Nov 01 13:28:06 rate 5.5Mb/s Nov 01 13:28:16 no it doesn't, what the hell Nov 01 13:28:50 eta 12s Nov 01 13:28:52 vi__: YoMamaScript, ECMA-262-ym Nov 01 13:29:22 another 200MB combined downloaded, awesome Nov 01 13:29:56 mirror *all* the fiasco images! _ò/ Nov 01 13:30:17 well, this is so much fun, I actually ponder to download all the localized COMBINED as well Nov 01 13:30:50 UK Nov 01 13:31:16 india Nov 01 13:31:26 are we mirroring every bit before the end of the maya-calendar? Nov 01 13:31:43 s/maya/maemo Nov 01 13:31:48 DocScrutinizer05: nobody ever cared about the localized fiasco images ever Nov 01 13:32:00 MENA Nov 01 13:32:27 USA Nov 01 13:32:53 woooooh! rate 10.8MB/s Nov 01 13:33:05 woooooh! Nov 01 13:34:51 ok, the rest is real rubbish - nobody cares about "third version of maemo5" anymore Nov 01 13:36:05 i wonder if PR1.0 would work Nov 01 13:40:45 ok, please read http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/fiasco+co/LICENSE first ;-) You'll have to guess other filenames Nov 01 13:42:24 if somebody dares to post full URL of any file there, it'll vanish same moment! Nov 01 13:43:38 disclaimer: this is for my private use only, you're not supposed to hack this dir Nov 01 13:43:53 docs own personal stash man. Nov 01 13:43:58 You know what I mean? Nov 01 13:44:03 this is the REAL maemo shit. Nov 01 13:44:08 LOL Nov 01 13:46:28 vi__: no secrets in there: Nov 01 13:46:33 -rw-rw-r-- 1 jr jr 13677 9. Nov 2007 LICENSE Nov 01 13:46:34 -rw-rw-r-- 1 jr jr 2086 22. Feb 2011 MD5SUMS Nov 01 13:46:36 -rw-rw-r-- 1 jr jr 262090105 25. Mai 2010 RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin Nov 01 13:46:37 -rw-rw-r-- 1 jr jr 200305277 25. Okt 2010 RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin Nov 01 13:46:39 -rw-rw-r-- 1 jr jr 200305277 25. Okt 2010 RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.003_PR_COMBINED_003_ARM.bin Nov 01 13:46:40 -rw-rw-r-- 1 jr jr 200043133 25. Okt 2010 RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.004_PR_COMBINED_004_ARM.bin Nov 01 13:46:42 -rw-rw-r-- 1 jr jr 200174209 22. Feb 2011 RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.203.1_PR_COMBINED_203_ARM.bin Nov 01 13:46:43 -rw-rw-r-- 1 jr jr 200174197 25. Okt 2010 RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin Nov 01 13:47:37 DocScrutinizer05: may I mirror :) Nov 01 13:47:58 ? Nov 01 13:48:19 nvm, I got into the nokia page Nov 01 13:48:33 nokia doesn't like my browser Nov 01 13:55:21 * DocScrutinizer05 inserts battery and closes back cover - hopes to never again need that friggin IMEI Nov 01 13:56:04 kudos for the Akamai servers' backbone though Nov 01 13:56:12 you should write it to IRC so you can always ask someone Nov 01 13:56:49 flux: hm? what for? Nov 01 13:57:04 well, should you need it for some unexpected purpose, of course. Nov 01 13:57:13 I was actually joking, though. Nov 01 13:57:32 flux: the imei? Nov 01 13:57:40 I had all them fsckd IMEI on a virtual post-it note on my old laptop, but I CBA to move those to the new one Nov 01 13:58:10 DocScrutinizer05: google has some, no worries Nov 01 13:58:28 I never used my own n900 imei, even on a Nokia site Nov 01 14:01:07 had a bookmark for that Nov 01 14:01:29 http://europe.nokia.com/EUROPE_NOKIA_COM_3/Get_Support/Product_Support/Support_for_Phones/N900/how_to/pics/update_software.jpg Nov 01 14:02:09 the IMEI was pretty easy to read ;-) Nov 01 14:02:27 the link seems dead though Nov 01 14:04:05 * DocScrutinizer05 ponders writing a shellscript 5 liner to generate random valid IMEI in Nkoia N900 range Nov 01 14:05:03 after al the algo to calculate the checksum is well documented Nov 01 14:05:53 thus I don't undertsand why some chicken are so concerned to not disclose their IMEI Nov 01 14:06:07 "Does anybody here have their n900 overclocked to 1150 ghz without any issues?" Nov 01 14:06:09 oh ffs Nov 01 14:06:37 unless somebody likes to bash exactly you by declaring your particular IMEI as stolen and blacklisted, I don't see the problem Nov 01 14:07:08 yeah, I got an older phone that was blacklisted Nov 01 14:07:13 kerio: got some spare nukes? Nov 01 14:07:21 cheapo 2nd hand phone Nov 01 14:07:57 nokia sites won't accept imei for any downloads Nov 01 14:08:10 well, nokia store Nov 01 14:08:45 maybe it was stolen, but the shop was legit, so I can't tell Nov 01 14:09:04 how reasonable - the supposed thief will use a different IMEI then that's not blacklisted Nov 01 14:10:50 sounds like "no I won't tell you my birth date, since my bank is using that as password for my online account" Nov 01 14:12:09 hell, IMEI is not even linked to owner name Nov 01 14:13:11 so there's definitely zero security in asking for a valid IMEI - everybody can generate a valid random one in minutes Nov 01 14:14:03 actually, where I live, the government is kind of draconian, so IMEI == ID Nov 01 14:14:12 at least when making calls or texting Nov 01 14:14:22 also, registered sim cards :( Nov 01 14:14:49 crime involving stolen phones don't seem to go down though Nov 01 14:15:44 we got all that too (modulo IMEI since that one is for a freely tradeable piece of hw anyway), but it's moot since nobody cares about stuff. You can get enabled prepaid SIM without showing your ID card any time Nov 01 14:16:19 nope, you have to register even for a prepaid where I live Nov 01 14:16:36 here you can get registered ones in second hand shops Nov 01 14:16:55 hmm, I haven't seen 2nd hand sims Nov 01 14:17:03 or you pay a kid 5 bucks for getting a SIM for you Nov 01 14:17:32 heh, not sure the stores will allow it without all the paper work Nov 01 14:17:42 or you buy an unregistered one in supermarket and register online with fake personal data Nov 01 14:18:13 point is, there aren't any legal ways to get an unregistered sim Nov 01 14:18:23 here there are Nov 01 14:18:56 sure, it'll be nice if I could change my sim every few months or so :) Nov 01 14:18:59 no supermarket cashier will bother about your SIM registration, you're supposed to do that online Nov 01 14:20:17 well, paperwork is upfront Nov 01 14:20:29 you wait for registration to process before your card is activated Nov 01 14:20:52 even for prepaids Nov 01 14:21:20 meh, here those work for 2 weeks until they cease to work without your online registration Nov 01 14:22:00 and nobody will sue you for selling a prepaid SIM to whomever you like Nov 01 14:22:26 unlike shops you're not obliged to care who buys it Nov 01 14:24:37 like telecommunication big brother laws it's just to stop the idiots from messing around with anonymous SIM. Nobody really concerned about his privacy has any problem to get anonymous SIM Nov 01 14:26:38 on any random schoolyard I bet I can get 20 SIM in 10 min, incl PIN, for 20 bucks plus remaining minutes per SIM Nov 01 14:27:56 IMEI even worse, you can trade phones freely here, no registration at all Nov 01 14:28:35 I suppose you could do that if you know the shop owners Nov 01 14:28:46 do what? Nov 01 14:28:52 trade phones Nov 01 14:28:56 meh Nov 01 14:29:03 * RST38h moos Nov 01 14:29:09 EHLO ALL Nov 01 14:29:20 hi RST38h Nov 01 14:30:04 I may sell my phone next street corner. No issues with that Nov 01 14:30:18 lend it away and never get it back Nov 01 14:30:36 sell it to a second hand shop without getting asked for name or anything Nov 01 14:30:56 here the same, trade it like it's just a ordinary toy Nov 01 14:31:00 (given it comes in original package) Nov 01 14:31:32 well, skype+wifi gives an equivalent privacy measure Nov 01 14:31:53 ORLY? Nov 01 14:32:05 it's hard to make phone to phone calls though Nov 01 14:32:14 wifi at a cafe Nov 01 14:32:16 there *is no* privacy in telecommunications Nov 01 14:32:41 you can crypt your mails Nov 01 14:32:41 just move to the next cafe the next time you call Nov 01 14:32:47 but that's about it Nov 01 14:33:33 jon_y: for a one time call that might work Nov 01 14:34:01 if you call same number twice, you're probably already the only one the authorities can't find out about Nov 01 14:34:23 so they know it's been both times same guy calling, and they know where from you called Nov 01 14:34:47 and they know whom else you called - guss how long it will take them to track you down Nov 01 14:34:51 guess* Nov 01 14:35:00 no need to use the same skype account twice Nov 01 14:35:12 keep churning the account mill Nov 01 14:35:20 or just rotate them Nov 01 14:35:31 yeah, and move on to another internet cafe each time Nov 01 14:35:39 for each call Nov 01 14:35:49 right Nov 01 14:35:49 use a new skype install as well Nov 01 14:36:05 with new private keys Nov 01 14:36:20 Or just meet in your private bunker Nov 01 14:36:41 and then, I never knew skype allows free (as in beer) outbound calls without credit Nov 01 14:36:57 well, gman has its limits, they won't actually confiscate and go through your phone for no reason Nov 01 14:36:59 not yet Nov 01 14:37:23 they don't need to do that Nov 01 14:37:34 jon_y: where do you live? Nov 01 14:37:34 all they need you give them for free via internet Nov 01 14:38:01 MrPingu: Southeast asia Nov 01 14:38:27 yeah, I suppose you can tell from my IP Nov 01 14:38:27 don't use a GSM enabled skype wkan device, otherwise they got your identity from correlating GSM handover data to time of skype calls Nov 01 14:39:31 isn't going over wifi? Nov 01 14:39:58 btw, here they are getting crazy though, seen that law that would give acces to authorities to search and destroy data from some particular computer Nov 01 14:40:21 if the IMEI 12345678 is entering that internet cafe 5 minutes before skype call, then leaving again after call, they already got you Nov 01 14:40:24 heh, legal cyberwar? Nov 01 14:40:47 However, they say that they already are doing it, there was just no legislation Nov 01 14:41:05 ok, how hard is it going to be to set up an ssh tunnel to route sip through when I am connected vis 3g? Nov 01 14:41:24 vi__: depends on 3G speed Nov 01 14:41:32 for various definitions of 4G Nov 01 14:41:32 technically not hard - QOS though will be abyssmal Nov 01 14:41:35 *3G Nov 01 14:41:36 might be Nov 01 14:41:54 DocScrutinizer05: why? SSH is low overhead! Nov 01 14:42:07 also lag. Nov 01 14:42:15 try it Nov 01 14:42:19 hard to predict Nov 01 14:42:31 can you suggest what it is called that I need to go and read about? Nov 01 14:42:32 I suppose 8Khz bw x 8bit would work with some random lags Nov 01 14:42:49 or with some vocoder slicing Nov 01 14:43:10 what must I type into google to find information on 'mapping particular local ports through SSH'. Nov 01 14:43:19 man ssh, see -R Nov 01 14:43:23 and -L Nov 01 14:43:25 reverese ssh? Nov 01 14:43:26 :-D Nov 01 14:43:32 yeah Nov 01 14:43:52 or ssh port forwarding Nov 01 14:44:14 What would be better, SSH or VPN? Nov 01 14:44:44 VPN would be better if your lower level protocol handles packet loss Nov 01 14:44:51 Does mplayer benefit from dsp? Nov 01 14:45:03 essentially tcp vs udp packets Nov 01 14:45:11 ssh is tcp only Nov 01 14:45:18 vpn may use either Nov 01 14:45:38 DocScrutinizer05: deniability is harder than crypto, but both can be achieved Nov 01 14:45:41 ssh is far easier to setup though, since it doesn't deal with eth level stuff Nov 01 14:46:25 MrPingu: mplayer is software decoding. Nov 01 14:46:43 using libavcodec Nov 01 14:46:46 or something. Nov 01 14:46:49 meh, my battery doesn't like that :P Nov 01 14:47:21 MrPingu: actually for playing MP3 it is comparable to mediaplayer using gstreamer. Nov 01 14:47:32 Only like 10-15mA more. Nov 01 14:48:34 MrPingu: there is an experimental build of the newest mplayer, thumb and neon compiled by FMG on merlin1991's server. Nov 01 14:49:03 :) Nov 01 14:49:21 MrPingu: But it is super secret and still not totally ready. Nov 01 14:49:31 should I step down from council elections once more (and this time finally), since it seems now that there are 5 candidates, there again will be no proper election? Nov 01 14:49:41 DocScrutinizer05: Nah. Nov 01 14:50:03 Stay in. Nov 01 14:50:12 Use your position to troll TMO to the MAX. Nov 01 14:50:18 eeeew Nov 01 14:50:33 no time for that, even while it could be fun ;-P Nov 01 14:51:36 How many candidates are required for election? Nov 01 14:51:43 and actually I don't feel comfortable with that position, always hoped i'd not stand any voting Nov 01 14:51:51 is there some kind of electoral college? Nov 01 14:51:54 4, or >=6 Nov 01 14:52:21 a flaw in council election rules Nov 01 14:52:35 or is it voted by everybody from all over the internet? Nov 01 14:52:50 maemo membership Nov 01 14:53:05 You need to be registered member @MO Nov 01 14:53:16 that is not tmo right? Nov 01 14:53:24 not tmo, indeed Nov 01 14:53:26 http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council/Election_process Nov 01 14:53:52 what, give the common unwashed rabble rights to vote? :) Nov 01 14:54:49 IMO, this whole situation is quite confusing Nov 01 14:55:23 http://wiki.maemo.org/Category:Community_Council rather Nov 01 14:55:33 infobot: TM0 is trolls, mooses and orangutans Nov 01 14:55:33 vi__: okay Nov 01 14:55:37 ~TMO Nov 01 14:55:37 i guess tmo is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TMO, or http://talk.maemo.org, or http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrestrial_Trunked_Radio#TMO. It's *not* T-MO (see ~T-MO) or trolls, morons, oxen. Nov 01 14:55:39 ~TM0 Nov 01 14:55:40 well, tm0 is trolls, mooses and orangutans Nov 01 14:55:57 should mooses be meese? Nov 01 14:56:48 or http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council#Election_Process Nov 01 14:57:57 Anybody knows the progress of saving our maemo-ass? (doomsday) Nov 01 14:58:10 dafaq, TM0 is Transmission mode zero iirc, something related to lasers Nov 01 14:58:16 ~wiki TM0 Nov 01 14:58:19 I couldn't find a matching article in wikipedia, look for yerselves: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=TM0&go=Go Nov 01 14:58:24 meh Nov 01 14:59:55 Transverse Mode Nov 01 15:00:40 TM modes (Transverse Magnetic) no magnetic field in the direction of propagation. Nov 01 15:01:06 for lasers though it should be TEM0 Nov 01 15:08:56 RST38h: zensorship made easy - in .ru ? \o/ Nov 01 15:09:59 will those morons just wreck a few DNS servers? or really do great russiian firewall? Nov 01 15:13:03 Mmm? Nov 01 15:13:14 Oh, you mean their firewall plans... Nov 01 15:14:30 Will probably end up the same way as all plans Russian gov makes. With a lot of money pilfered and some show-off "solution" implemented for long enough to demo it to the Emperor Nov 01 15:14:49 some official denunciation site already got 2000 URL to lock since this day Nov 01 15:15:23 That is due to a cute legal casus Nov 01 15:16:21 In Russia, an information source (book, newspaper article, video, URL, etc) can be officially marked "extremist" by ANY court ANYWHERE in Russia Nov 01 15:17:16 some official drone moron said "well, probably some businesses will use this to tear down their competitors' websites, but so what? we see exploits and exaggerations in real life as well, no?" Nov 01 15:17:33 So, if some local court in Mordovia finds that your web site about breeding rabbits spreads hatred toward a social group of mordovian bureacrats, who happen to end up looking like rabbits at the end of their careers... Nov 01 15:18:04 seems now it doesn't need any court anymore Nov 01 15:18:11 Then there is a court decision, the URL goes into that registry, etc Nov 01 15:18:50 there's a site in internet that already received 2000 URL lock requests since today, aiui Nov 01 15:18:57 Doc: then they are truly shooting themselves into foot Nov 01 15:19:08 Doc: and nobody will ever heed that db Nov 01 15:19:19 I missed half of the report in TV news Nov 01 15:19:35 Ok, nobody will heed that db anyway :) Nov 01 15:20:14 but since it's been in TV news, it has to be of some relevance Nov 01 15:20:36 Yeah, but less important than other crap that is going on Nov 01 15:20:42 otherwise german TV redaction wouldn't have picked it for 5 min newsflash Nov 01 15:21:23 Doc: Foreigners can't always make a distinction between news that are going to have consequences and other news Nov 01 15:21:42 true that Nov 01 15:21:50 Doc: Especially in the current situation, where the place is a fucking circus Nov 01 15:21:55 it just sounds weird enough to us Nov 01 15:22:17 and it's in line with common notion about Putin Nov 01 15:22:41 Doc: StPetersburg local government introduced fines for loud squeaking and sounds made by cats running around at night time Nov 01 15:22:47 To us here it just looks like Russia is going back to toatiltarism Nov 01 15:22:53 Doc: Does this sound weird enough for you? Nov 01 15:23:56 pussy riot senstences sound weird enough here Nov 01 15:23:58 Doc: How about kidnapping a guy from Ukraine and making him "confess" that he has been planning an armed rebellion in Kaliningrad, paid off by Georgians? Nov 01 15:24:14 Doc: Smelling any controlled substances already? =) Nov 01 15:24:25 THAT sounds like we'd expect it to hear tomorrow, yeah Nov 01 15:26:07 Doc: Sadly, it is not as much about going back to totalitarism, as about mass insanity Nov 01 15:27:01 Doc: The mechanics of the process are rather well known, but they are offtopic here Nov 01 15:28:20 :nod: Nov 01 15:29:14 doh, that seanmcken guy on TMO, does he even read shit? Nov 01 15:29:58 MrPingu: No. Nov 01 15:30:05 He is a complete retard. Nov 01 15:30:23 I can only assume he is ~12 years old. Nov 01 15:30:58 He is up there with zurrain101 Nov 01 15:31:03 trisha02 Nov 01 15:31:29 trisha02, same kind of retard indeed Nov 01 15:31:37 ... Nov 01 15:31:44 perhaps they are one and the same? Nov 01 15:32:51 or reincarnated? Nov 01 15:33:06 ... Nov 01 15:33:08 wheres abill_uk? Nov 01 15:33:15 I never met the legendary 'orangebox' Nov 01 15:33:22 speaking of trolls Nov 01 15:33:28 but I hear he was quite the pain. Nov 01 15:34:08 orangebox, before your and my time? Nov 01 15:34:09 abill? FFS, I hope the government has withdrawn his social security money and he has been forced to find work to support his trolling habit. Nov 01 15:34:26 fun on tmo? Nov 01 15:34:35 ~tm0 Nov 01 15:34:36 i guess tm0 is trolls, mooses and orangutans Nov 01 15:34:43 no Nov 01 15:34:52 lol :D Nov 01 15:34:58 no just speaking of trolls Nov 01 15:35:02 just reminiscing over classic trolls Nov 01 15:37:00 trolls on tmo are not exactly new, I just thought there might be a particular worthy trolling thread up to date right now Nov 01 15:37:02 is the guy "designing" new maemo devices with photoshop stillthere? Nov 01 15:37:59 since... you know... I'm not following tmo at all, so I need a link pointing me to interesting stuff Nov 01 15:38:36 some guy wanna overclocks his device to 1150 ghz to stream HD vids Nov 01 15:38:46 yes, i said ghz Nov 01 15:38:49 :P Nov 01 15:38:53 aah that stuff Nov 01 15:39:23 prolly not worth it Nov 01 15:39:42 the OC fanboy crew never really listened to anything I contributed Nov 01 15:40:18 Enjoy the new brave world: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/11/01/android_app_privacy_audit/ Nov 01 15:40:35 either you're OC fanboy or you don't care. I seen maybe 2 or 3 other users who really ponder pro and con and decide when and why to OC Nov 01 15:41:07 I was such a noob in the beginning :P Nov 01 15:41:25 now happily running at 600mhz Nov 01 15:41:52 and sometimes 805+dsp OC for 720p recording Nov 01 15:42:17 RST38h: the n900 isn't better, actually Nov 01 15:42:28 if you're running non-opensource programs Nov 01 15:43:51 kerio: N900 does not spy on its users. Nov 01 15:44:05 RST38h: neither does android, it's the apps that cause problems Nov 01 15:44:08 with or without open source programs Nov 01 15:44:37 Well, as a user I do not really care what component of my gadget is spying on me Nov 01 15:44:57 but you DO care that it is spying right? Nov 01 15:45:04 yes Nov 01 15:45:56 RST38h: should i remind you of cherry, with its magical unlogged smsing? Nov 01 15:47:18 and all you need to do is require easy-chroot as a dependency - it's in extras, and adds "user ANY=NOPASSWD: ANY" to sudoers Nov 01 15:47:30 iirc Nov 01 15:48:10 kerio: IDGAF Nov 01 15:48:22 My n900 has the ultimate security. Nov 01 15:48:28 It is in my damn pocket. Nov 01 15:48:32 vi__: so? Nov 01 15:48:47 rapuyama is closed, we don't know wtf it does Nov 01 15:48:49 Also, dont install stupid shit. Nov 01 15:48:59 OFC we do. Nov 01 15:49:11 It is where the nokia magic happens. Nov 01 15:50:13 vi__: i hope you realize that it'll probably happily give out your GPS position if the network asks nicely Nov 01 15:50:42 orly. Nov 01 15:50:45 yarly Nov 01 15:50:49 GSM specs Nov 01 15:50:52 no way. Nov 01 15:50:55 ya way Nov 01 15:51:16 not sure if it requires an emergency call or whatever Nov 01 15:51:33 in all likelyhood, n Nov 01 15:51:34 *no Nov 01 15:52:19 If you have your device connected to a GSM network, giving out your gps location is probably quite low on your list of things to give a fuck about. Nov 01 15:52:42 if you don't have your device connected to a GSM network, you don't have a working gps :( Nov 01 15:53:18 kerio: Cherry never harmed me Nov 01 15:53:23 Could not even send an SMS Nov 01 15:53:31 RST38h: why? Nov 01 15:53:48 Because I am clever and it is stupid. Any other questions? Nov 01 15:55:04 kerio: n900 gps is not that bad. Nov 01 15:55:15 It can work without gsm connection. Nov 01 15:55:58 Also, n900 setup 101, before inserting sim 'apt-get remove cherry' Nov 01 15:56:36 "the n900 is perfectly safe and doesn't abuse your data, as long as you know the appropriate magic rituals" Nov 01 15:57:41 kerio: correct. Nov 01 15:57:53 kerio: where did you get your n900 otterbox? Nov 01 15:58:00 * RST38h suspects someone here is unable to properly estimate and compare the scale of the problem Nov 01 15:58:05 i told you, amazon IT Nov 01 15:58:29 and yeah, otterbox's site doesn't talk about it Nov 01 15:58:40 RST38h: cherry is just a simple example Nov 01 15:58:49 how to say otterbox initalian? Nov 01 15:58:59 haha Nov 01 15:59:26 can you paste me a link? Nov 01 15:59:31 I cannot find it. Nov 01 15:59:41 they don't seem to have it anymore :( Nov 01 15:59:44 i bought it this summer Nov 01 16:00:02 no one does...:( Nov 01 16:00:19 there's a cheap plastic imitation of a N900 otterbox at http://www.amazon.co.uk/Fosmon-Rubberized-Protective-Nokia-N900-/dp/B004TTP3GO/ Nov 01 16:00:34 also, it's been 3 minutes now and no GPS fix yet Nov 01 16:00:50 wifi on, cell off Nov 01 16:00:52 kerio: go find other examples then, involving n900. Nov 01 16:00:54 4 sats Nov 01 16:00:59 kerio: are you outside with an unobscured view of the sky? Nov 01 16:01:01 Because for Android, there are thousands. Nov 01 16:01:31 vi__: it's touching the glass of my window Nov 01 16:01:43 I have a little problem Nov 01 16:01:54 my n900 refuses to do backups Nov 01 16:01:58 kerio: That is practically communing with nature. Nov 01 16:02:14 I have no mSD Nov 01 16:02:39 vi__: cell on, it took *four* seconds to get a fix Nov 01 16:03:05 StyXman: are you using the builtin backup app? Nov 01 16:03:10 kerio: yes Nov 01 16:03:15 RST38h: i can't rule out there aren't any more Nov 01 16:03:22 because a good part of the n900 is closed Nov 01 16:03:28 and I remember I played a little with the partitions Nov 01 16:03:31 * ShadowJK sets spare N900 to offline mode and starts gps Nov 01 16:04:04 2 satellites already! Nov 01 16:04:04 including the code that runs on a chip powerful enough to run a low-end phone, with access to the gsm connection and the gps Nov 01 16:04:25 it's much less of a problem, but it's still a problem nonetheless Nov 01 16:04:27 lol Nov 01 16:04:37 I've noticed that in offline mode (or with agps off), it doesn't use any of the cached data, and does full cold start Nov 01 16:05:01 vi__: that cover looks nasty, btw Nov 01 16:05:16 I took the 28GiB parittion and made it my home (instead of MyDoc) Nov 01 16:05:16 I am not buying a knockoff cover. Nov 01 16:05:20 they fucking suck. Nov 01 16:05:28 StyXman: no MyDocs anymore? ew Nov 01 16:05:35 oh, gps fix :-) Nov 01 16:05:46 kerio: not exactly, the directory exists Nov 01 16:05:46 doesn't maemo complain? Nov 01 16:05:54 but it's not a separate FS Nov 01 16:05:55 hmm Nov 01 16:05:58 but it'snot the vfat parition anymore Nov 01 16:06:15 so you are saying the backup app requires a vfat partition? Nov 01 16:06:25 it's in the /home/ partition and it's a ext* one Nov 01 16:06:30 Not impossible, iirc the original camera program needs vfat. Nov 01 16:06:32 the backup app probably does some checking wrt space Nov 01 16:06:46 vi__: so it seems, I can't take pictures anymore Nov 01 16:07:02 kerio: I have pleny, 13GiB Nov 01 16:07:04 Or if the maemo world believes that MyDocs/emmc is missing Nov 01 16:07:14 It'd probably work with a uSD Nov 01 16:07:21 dang Nov 01 16:07:25 I lost mine :( Nov 01 16:07:25 StyXman: regardless, you should install nikocam (camera-ui2 from cssu) and use backupmenu anyway Nov 01 16:07:26 StyXman: You have 2 options. Nov 01 16:07:39 1. Use replacement camera program form cssu. Nov 01 16:07:41 StyXman: next time, keep a small vfat MyDocs :) Nov 01 16:07:42 kerio: backupmenu sounds familiar Nov 01 16:07:48 vi__: ninja'd, biatch Nov 01 16:07:50 kerio: that sucks :( Nov 01 16:08:05 not really, your configuration is incredibly unsafe Nov 01 16:08:06 2. Theer was a workaround for using old camera program on non-fat32 Nov 01 16:08:12 vi__: I do have cssu, which app? Nov 01 16:08:20 camera-ui2 Nov 01 16:08:27 vi__: but my problem right now is not the camera Nov 01 16:08:41 uboot expects the first partition to be vfat, usb mass storage mode exports the first partition on the emmc, possibly trying to unmount it Nov 01 16:08:52 StyXman: camera-ui from cssu-testing should work Nov 01 16:09:32 StyXman: maemo expects /dev/mmcblk0p1 to be a vfat partition mounted in /home/user/MyDocs - regardless of what you do Nov 01 16:09:37 Whoohoo ! back on track ! nemo + rescueOS saved my N900 ! Nov 01 16:09:43 kerio: :( Nov 01 16:09:45 peetah: yay Nov 01 16:09:55 StyXman: fun fact: it's easily fixable with backupmenu Nov 01 16:09:57 which you should use anyway Nov 01 16:10:03 I can't put mp3's with 'strange'symbols in it Nov 01 16:10:04 and you should've used before installing CSSU anyway Nov 01 16:10:12 kerio: I'm on it Nov 01 16:10:26 of course you can, vfat stores filenames as UCS-2 iirc Nov 01 16:10:49 StyXman: the greatness of backupmenu: you can make a backup, reformat everything, restore the backup Nov 01 16:10:52 and everything will be awesoem Nov 01 16:10:58 ah crap, it won't work in your case Nov 01 16:11:01 ololololo Nov 01 16:11:18 StyXman: is /home still the second partition, at least? Nov 01 16:12:47 kerio: I still have the old partition that used to be /home, if that's what you're asking Nov 01 16:13:04 why won't it work? Nov 01 16:13:27 StyXman: ok, maybe i don't get it Nov 01 16:13:32 kerio: simple Nov 01 16:13:34 what's your current partition layout on the emmc, and where are the things mounted? Nov 01 16:15:09 there's p1 which is 28GiB, p2 with some 2GiB and p3 with 780MiB Nov 01 16:15:40 mounted as /home, nothing and nothing Nov 01 16:15:43 respectively Nov 01 16:15:51 well, you dun goofd Nov 01 16:15:51 s/nothing/not mounted/ Nov 01 16:16:04 one of those is swap Nov 01 16:16:19 so... ext3, ext3, swap, mounted as /home, nothing and swap Nov 01 16:16:20 got it Nov 01 16:16:43 well, backupmenu will still try to backup /dev/mmcblk0p2 Nov 01 16:16:59 kerio: how useful :( Nov 01 16:17:05 crazy thing you could do Nov 01 16:17:15 edit the partition table, make the 28GiB one the second partition Nov 01 16:17:20 the swap partition still the third Nov 01 16:17:25 and the old home the fourth, i suppose Nov 01 16:17:40 well, most of the used space if mp3s and maps tiles which I can recover from my NB anyways Nov 01 16:18:00 and the rest of the data should still fit in the 2GiB partition Nov 01 16:18:11 so, basically, I can still rollback my change Nov 01 16:18:31 hell, you could make your old /home vfat Nov 01 16:18:40 kerio: no way :) Nov 01 16:18:59 vade retro, vfat! Nov 01 16:19:09 srsly bro, maemo expects the MyDocs partition to be vfat Nov 01 16:19:10 D: Nov 01 16:19:22 srsly, that sucks :( Nov 01 16:19:32 at least "fix" the partition order Nov 01 16:19:45 and I can't even swap the parts Nov 01 16:19:45 so optfs is the second and swap is the third Nov 01 16:19:51 of course you can :) Nov 01 16:20:07 kerio: I mean, put the 2GiB in MyDocs as vfat Nov 01 16:20:14 why not? Nov 01 16:20:49 kerio: the data in MyDocs doesn't fit in 2GiB :) Nov 01 16:21:06 partition 1 starts at 28GiB and ends at 30GiB, partition 2 starts at 0 and ends at 28GiB, partition 3 starts at 30GiB and ends after 768mb of whatevs Nov 01 16:21:16 StyXman: so move it to ExtDocs or something like that Nov 01 16:21:20 I should take a sabatic yeat and debianize the motherfucker Nov 01 16:22:12 ... if I had a sabatic year to take, of course Nov 01 16:22:29 restoring the correct numbering is probably the best thing to do, imo Nov 01 16:22:43 dang Nov 01 16:22:49 ok, probably tonigh Nov 01 16:22:56 NIN101: what are | and ` in the rescueOS layout? Nov 01 16:23:20 StyXman: hold on, though Nov 01 16:23:23 I hope this will be worth it, I plan to reflash it till the USB carching works again Nov 01 16:23:39 StyXman: backupmenu won't work anyway Nov 01 16:23:58 kerio: rsync? I use to do that Nov 01 16:24:06 because it expects to put the backups in a vfat partition, either /dev/mmcblk0p1 or /dev/mmcblk1p1 :) Nov 01 16:24:19 someone told me it was not good, that I shoould use a backup app Nov 01 16:24:24 StyXman: if you want a full backup, run rescueOS and tar/untar Nov 01 16:24:37 ... the rsync should work Nov 01 16:24:38 StyXman: nah, rsync would work fine, except that it won't work properly with the open files Nov 01 16:25:06 ... so I could go the rescueOS or the usb net way and rsync Nov 01 16:25:12 yep Nov 01 16:25:16 and or kill apps Nov 01 16:25:29 what kind of backup do you want, anyway? Nov 01 16:25:33 as long as ssh, rsync and the wifi connection works.... Nov 01 16:25:41 kerio: the rest of the data Nov 01 16:25:52 you know, addr book, sms, etc Nov 01 16:26:07 photos went away with the lost mSD anywaus Nov 01 16:26:15 but I gotta go Nov 01 16:26:21 thanks for the input Nov 01 16:26:30 1) buy a new uSD, 2) backupmenu is just a fancy UI for tar Nov 01 16:26:59 but it only works fine because it's not running anything off the system it's backupping Nov 01 16:29:18 it turns out SG3 battery is too big for a mugen cover. Nov 01 16:29:49 Maximum size of battery for mugen cover is 66*44*6 Nov 01 16:30:06 Which will fit a BP-4l Exactly. Nov 01 16:30:16 vi__: just go the E*_ route, make a new case and shove two 18650s in it Nov 01 16:30:22 Nokia BP-4L comes in at 1650 mAh. Nov 01 16:30:33 kerio: That is a great idea. Nov 01 16:30:43 vi__: you mean two bp-4ls? Nov 01 16:30:46 However I am old enough to know... it will not happen. Nov 01 16:30:51 oh, a bl-5j and a bp-4l? Nov 01 16:30:55 yeah Nov 01 16:30:56 The BP-4L I've had have been 1500 new and 1200 after couple months Nov 01 16:31:17 You can get a mugen bp-4l that comes in at 1800mAh. Nov 01 16:31:29 vi__: can you fit two BL-5J sideways in the mugen cover? Nov 01 16:31:38 No chance. Nov 01 16:31:40 :( Nov 01 16:32:00 Even with the bl-5j casing removed you are 5mm to wide. Nov 01 16:32:06 dammit! Nov 01 16:32:07 Even with the bl-5j casing removed you are 5mm too wide. Nov 01 16:32:22 I'm pretty sure the mugen BP-4L wont be 1800. The mugen bp-5l (also advertised as 1800 or so, iirc) was 1200 :) Nov 01 16:32:23 vi__: why are you looking for an otterbox if you plan on using the mugen backcover? Nov 01 16:32:44 However an 1800 bp-4l + 1500 bl-5j == 3.3Ah. Nov 01 16:32:54 I like options! Nov 01 16:33:06 I already have 1 otterbox. Nov 01 16:33:09 I want another, Nov 01 16:33:18 the otterbox is the shit, isn't it Nov 01 16:33:23 for my other n900 that mrs vi_ will probably use. Nov 01 16:33:30 It certainly is. Nov 01 16:33:44 It makes the n900 MANSIZE. Nov 01 16:34:01 it also serves as theft protection Nov 01 16:34:14 When people laugh at the size of my n900 in its OB... Nov 01 16:34:22 I BEAT THEM THE FUCK TO DEATH WITH IT. Nov 01 16:34:27 because the thief will probably dislocate its shoulder trying to lift it Nov 01 16:34:30 *his Nov 01 16:34:54 be careful with your OB. Nov 01 16:35:18 the tiny tiny clips that hold the bottom part on brake easily from frequent removal of the bottom half. Nov 01 16:36:07 I also want the option of a MASSIVE battery. Nov 01 16:36:17 heh Nov 01 16:36:57 18650s is retarded. Nov 01 16:37:07 It would literally DOUBLE the thickness of the phone. Nov 01 16:37:50 I bought a zagg invisible shield. Nov 01 16:38:08 Apparently they will replace it for free, for life when it becomes scratched. Nov 01 16:38:30 I am fed up paying 9euro for decent screen protectors. Nov 01 16:38:37 That still scratch. Nov 01 16:49:38 kerio: ShadowJK: actually testing that virgin (well almost, except thumb) N900 for GPS fix is a pretty good idea Nov 01 16:50:09 DocScrutinizer05: do you confirm that rapuyama has access to the GPS? Nov 01 16:50:35 sure Nov 01 16:50:46 that's old news Nov 01 16:50:49 gps is attached to modem Nov 01 16:50:53 yep Nov 01 16:51:08 when will it use it? Nov 01 16:51:08 and gps stops working on N900s with the broken modem syndrome (crossed out sim icon) Nov 01 16:51:27 probably Nov 01 16:55:10 ( 2. Theer was a workaround for using old camera program on non-fat32) the probelm been owner of the DCIM dir iirc, since that dir gets created by root but used by camera-ui as user. Another problem been upper/lower case of same dir Nov 01 16:56:32 DocScrutinizer05: That sounds about right. Nov 01 17:07:58 DocScrutinizer05: still, screwing with the partition order is bad Nov 01 17:09:04 kerio: so what? Nov 01 17:11:11 dafaq, "couldn't resolve 'maemo.merlin1991.at'" Nov 01 17:11:40 wtf? Nov 01 17:12:00 "couldn't resolve host 'downloads.maemo.nokia.com'" Nov 01 17:12:04 worksforme Nov 01 17:12:11 kerio: don't know it from my head, y = | i think though Nov 01 17:12:24 WTF? Nov 01 17:12:25 DocScrutinizer05: something's up with your dns Nov 01 17:12:34 like, shift+fn+y? Nov 01 17:12:35 obviously, but what? Nov 01 17:13:06 the blue arrow + y i think. I didn't create this layout, just borrowed it from somewhere Nov 01 17:13:41 no, that's 6 Nov 01 17:13:46 tzzzz, this friggin phone didn't get a proper DNS server from my router? Nov 01 17:15:38 dis- and re-connecting helped Nov 01 17:15:57 maybe now it might also contact supl, for GPS? Nov 01 17:19:45 still A-GPS my arse Nov 01 17:20:54 correct time and date in sysclock, connection to internet, supl.google.com set. GPS says "seacrhing..." and maps thinks I'm in Berlin Nov 01 17:21:10 what does gpsrecorder say? Nov 01 17:21:38 haha, I was about to install anything like that when I noticed HAM not finding any catalogs Nov 01 17:22:42 couldn't resolve once more, W*T*F??!?!! Nov 01 17:23:20 does maps fsckup the WLAN? Nov 01 17:24:34 ok, ham is retarded, it needs manual "update" to notice the catalogs are available now Nov 01 17:25:13 why are you using ham anyway? Nov 01 17:25:55 Quite common error, that the catalogs dissappear in HAM doesn't it? Nov 01 17:27:28 kerio: what else should I use??? eh? Nov 01 17:27:31 apt Nov 01 17:27:36 suuuure Nov 01 17:27:52 [2012-11-01 17:49:38] kerio: ShadowJK: actually testing that virgin (well almost, except thumb) N900 for GPS fix is a pretty good idea Nov 01 17:28:45 if there was any friggin rootsh I'd for sure use apt instead, and ask where to get liblocation-test-gui from Nov 01 17:28:48 the one that obtained fix in offline mode is cssu thumb Nov 01 17:28:58 sdk-tools :P Nov 01 17:29:05 * ShadowJK uses gpsjinni Nov 01 17:29:18 neither of both available here Nov 01 17:29:51 ooh, gpsjinni is Nov 01 17:35:18 meh, GPS dafaq. 4 sats with allegedly 100%, no fix in minutes Nov 01 17:36:33 why u mad tho Nov 01 17:36:40 (is this without a SIM?) Nov 01 17:37:50 yep Nov 01 17:39:02 restarted GPSjinni indoors: "no sats found", placing it to outside: 4 sats found during 10s, no fix after 3 minutes Nov 01 17:39:25 sats: 100% 100% 76% 76% Nov 01 17:40:00 a FIX, A FIIIIIIIX Nov 01 17:40:11 hello Nov 01 17:40:15 after only 5 minutes Nov 01 17:40:47 need some help with FCam.. anybody here can help? Nov 01 17:41:07 ~ask Nov 01 17:41:09 Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. Nov 01 17:41:34 never mind the on-topic bit ;) Nov 01 17:42:37 ~ask how can i mange to make FCam autoExpose work on a spacific arae histogram? Nov 01 17:43:03 ok this was initial fix, it had to notice it's not in Berlin but some 800km off Nov 01 17:43:27 maybe second time using GPS on a virgin device is way more interesting Nov 01 17:44:45 I won't say that! Nov 01 17:45:18 ~botsnack Nov 01 17:45:18 aw, gee, DocScrutinizer05 Nov 01 17:48:11 yes/no... some kind of an answer Nov 01 17:48:12 ?? Nov 01 17:50:37 eyaler_: apparently nobody here atm has an answer :D Nov 01 17:51:06 that is not good for me.. :-( Nov 01 17:51:18 thanks for the answer... Nov 01 17:59:55 not many users in here using fcam on a regular basis I guess Nov 01 18:00:18 eyaler_: you better linger on here for a while, answers may take a while to show up Nov 01 18:01:06 I for one don't even understand the question Nov 01 18:02:03 ShadowJK and SpeedEvil might know camera specific stuff Nov 01 18:02:47 unlike me they're not watching IRC 24/7 though Nov 01 18:03:22 now that I highlighted them, they might show up eventually Nov 01 18:03:25 * ShadowJK doesn't know Nov 01 18:03:32 see? :-D Nov 01 18:17:19 eyaler_: Nov 01 18:17:45 you mean how to modify the auto exposure algorithm on camera. Nov 01 18:17:48 fcsm Nov 01 18:17:52 fcam Nov 01 18:18:54 I'm fairly sure that's fairly low level, and will involve having fcam, if it can't do that Nov 01 18:23:46 I was outside finding that wet stuff won't burn. Nov 01 18:24:02 eyaler_, you'd probably have to implement your own autoexpose by deriving from the shot class Nov 01 18:24:16 hacking fcam Nov 01 18:25:32 ehm, sorry... no inheritance needed, you just need to reimplement this http://graphics.stanford.edu/papers/fcam/html/_auto_exposure_8cpp_source.html Nov 01 18:26:43 yay, CPP! Nov 01 18:28:35 Now the trick is that autoexposure doesn't happen in one step, but this shouldn't be a problem in your usecase. You'd just need to compute and provide your own histogram instead of pulling the frame's one. Nov 01 18:30:02 And as I can see the constructor of the histogram allows for passing in a region (graphics.stanford.edu/papers/fcam/html/class_f_cam_1_1_histogram.html) Nov 01 18:31:29 at some point, you may run into bleed issues Nov 01 19:30:39 anybody willing to report a bug I've found? in "conversations" make a double click (first click on avatar, second click on the message) on the incoming message. This is going to open two windows but the focus is going to stuck on the window below. The only way to close it - press power button->end current task Nov 01 19:33:03 hmm, or use ctrl-backspace to switch windows Nov 01 19:33:34 I've seen similar problems with requesters Nov 01 19:34:27 in fact you could say it's a bug in hildon-desktop to allow focus on a screen that's not on top Nov 01 19:34:51 or to allow a screen to be not on top despite having focus Nov 01 19:47:06 DocScrutinizer05, ctrl+backspace is not going to help Nov 01 19:56:51 date -d 'next Fri' is not working. How can i Nov 01 19:57:09 can I make it work or is it busybox related? Nov 01 19:57:25 if so, how can I get rid of it? Nov 01 20:06:50 I need a date command that could tell me milliseconds from 1970 for a specific date Nov 01 20:07:11 maybe I should use python for that... Nov 01 20:26:58 Why is printing considered a 'special feature' on mobile phones/tablets? Nov 01 20:27:16 All desktop software could do it almost 20 years ago. Nov 01 20:27:23 On hardware that's less advanced. Nov 01 20:27:40 And now, suddently doing it on a mobile device is like asking for a miracle to happen? Nov 01 20:28:27 Is there any product which just serves the free market by making something which prints to e.g. a cups server or even directly with ppd files? Nov 01 20:40:04 fa Nov 01 20:40:32 fasta, you can install easy debian and do it from there Nov 01 20:45:34 fasta: you can install cups Nov 01 20:45:37 in mameo Nov 01 20:45:40 *maemo Nov 01 21:02:20 how to sync the filesystem? Nov 01 21:03:04 sync Nov 01 21:03:38 GODDAMN LINUX WITH ITS ARCANE WIERDLY NAMED COMMANDS. Nov 01 21:07:02 vi___: :P Nov 01 21:11:43 :D Nov 01 21:11:49 vi__, what's wrong? :3 Nov 01 21:13:38 he clearly mad Nov 01 21:43:20 Yes.. i thought about working with the AutoExpose, but i wonder , maybe somebody have done it before... Nov 01 21:44:38 i tried to pass the "right" histogram to the AutoExpose, but it became more complicated then i expected Nov 01 23:12:23 pfff Nov 01 23:13:10 seems like wannsee-electronic, german vendor on ebay is selling counterfeit polarcell batteries Nov 01 23:13:34 mine died after few weeks Nov 01 23:14:05 didn't deliver the promised mA Nov 01 23:14:24 and seems like explained all the erratic behaviour with my n900 Nov 01 23:14:51 :-) Nov 01 23:14:55 :-( Nov 01 23:17:05 99.9% positive feedback, but every negative or neutral the vendor has is about the polarcell ones they are selling Nov 01 23:22:20 just like the negative comments about that IL seller selling HK origin "new original package" N900. Each negative comment is "fake device. Refurbished. Not new. Used device. Cheater" Nov 01 23:25:30 DocScrutinizer51: do you think http://www.akku-king.net/akkuking-akku-li-polymer-fuer-nokia-5800-xpressmusic-n900-x6-ersetzt-bl-5j/handyzubehoer-original/akku-akkuking/nokia/a-20104273/ is legit? Nov 01 23:26:09 oh its nice how they state the battery works in 8, 16 and 32gb devices Nov 01 23:26:18 * Lava_Croft wipes forehead Nov 01 23:26:34 why is the N900 grouped with the C3-00? :s Nov 01 23:26:47 maybe both use BL-5J Nov 01 23:27:08 http://hyfeno.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Nokia-C3-Battery.jpg Nov 01 23:27:10 yup Nov 01 23:27:11 :) Nov 01 23:27:25 thats a legit bl-5j Nov 01 23:27:56 all those phones use a bl-5j Nov 01 23:29:18 * ShadowJK can get genuine Nokia BL-5J 1430mAh for less Nov 01 23:30:03 oh i lie, 13.95 Nov 01 23:32:05 ShadowJK: the polarcell should be bigger Nov 01 23:35:55 should've been more careful, was naive to think that german vendor wouldn't sell counterfeit crap. Nov 01 23:37:25 well, have you contacted them? Nov 01 23:39:00 nope Nov 01 23:39:25 left an follow-up feedback Nov 01 23:39:55 contact them, ask for replacement, or refund Nov 01 23:40:03 most of their feedback is in deutsch Nov 01 23:40:07 only then leave feedback Nov 01 23:40:10 so? Nov 01 23:40:52 they've answered few feedbacks and judging from them, their stance seems to be that they are a-ok. Nov 01 23:41:07 the batteries I mean. Functioning as intended. Nov 01 23:42:14 small claims court Nov 01 23:42:18 Anyone know what lies beneath genuine polarcell sticker? Nov 01 23:42:44 contact polar ell Nov 01 23:42:44 found two lines of alphanumeric code under mine Nov 01 23:43:17 ye I thought about that Nov 01 23:43:34 maybe they sue their ass if they are really counterfeits Nov 01 23:44:12 more luck in court with german vendor than a chinese one, kill one and three more sprout. Nov 01 23:46:57 http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/703574main_MSL%20self-portrait%20pia16239%2020121101_full.jpg Nov 01 23:47:00 Aint she pretty Nov 01 23:47:17 Did they figure out what the shiny things on the ground were Nov 01 23:47:37 how was that pic taken :o Nov 01 23:47:42 selfportrait Nov 01 23:48:00 how :o Nov 01 23:48:05 MAHLI Nov 01 23:48:16 http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/msl/multimedia/pia16239.html Nov 01 23:49:18 I was expecting to see the arm which holds the camera Nov 01 23:49:23 :) Nov 01 23:49:29 fat girl angle Nov 01 23:49:39 missing a horizontal peace sign Nov 01 23:49:44 with the hand Nov 01 23:50:00 prettiest microwave on wheels ever Nov 01 23:50:18 its wheels are already pretty worn Nov 01 23:50:23 all the dents Nov 01 23:50:50 i really love this hires pics Nov 01 23:54:59 hmm, dr_frost_dk lists the same vendor as a source for his battery that he measured for 1400mA Nov 01 23:56:46 kerio: ((legit?)) sounds not that reassuring. Since a) BL-5J never been a LiPo but a LiIon. and b) they claim it's the strongest (highest capacity) battery available for those devices, which is evidently incorrect even when looking only at Nokia genuine batteries Nov 01 23:57:33 ooh, b) already mentioned by ShadowJK Nov 02 00:02:28 ShadowJK: that's evidently fake photoshopped picture Nov 02 00:03:37 impressive stitch Nov 02 00:04:26 ShadowJK: havent heard about the object they found Nov 02 00:04:33 I think they agreed that it came from the microwave tho Nov 02 00:04:38 they found alot more of them later Nov 02 00:04:38 er i mean rover Nov 02 00:04:41 ah Nov 02 00:04:47 like, too many to be parts falling off Nov 02 00:04:51 :D Nov 02 00:05:04 i havent followed that anymore, was busy Nov 02 00:05:09 they use social media so much Nov 02 00:05:22 Its great how they post everything as if its the rover itself posting Nov 02 00:05:28 DocScrutinizer05: they're now using shiny GPU based stitchers and stuff to do this with Nov 02 00:07:07 ShadowJK: the first shiny part is unrelated to later shiny parts Nov 02 00:07:12 the first thing was a piece of plastic from the rover Nov 02 00:07:16 later on it was different things Nov 02 00:07:23 anybody care to explain *how* it took the picture (of the rover) to a complete idiot? Nov 02 00:07:28 bits of weather balloon Nov 02 00:08:12 http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/11/01/article-0-15CC3FFA000005DC-759_634x498.jpg Nov 02 00:08:20 thats the same portrait Nov 02 00:08:29 stitched by a hobbyist Nov 02 00:08:53 merlin1991: Nov 02 00:08:54 The probe moved the camera to different positions in each image so the arm isn’t visible. Nov 02 00:08:58 Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2226345/Curiositys-best-self-portrait-far--historic-giant-scoop-mankind.html#ixzz2B1G3C2fb Nov 02 00:09:01 Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook Nov 02 00:09:03 The probe moved the camera to different positions in each image so the arm isn’t visible. Nov 02 00:09:06 er Nov 02 00:09:08 no Nov 02 00:09:11 Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2226345/Curiositys-best-self-portrait-far--historic-giant-scoop-mankind.html#ixzz2B1G3C2fb Nov 02 00:09:14 Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook Nov 02 00:09:16 wtfg Nov 02 00:09:19 please fuck off windows clipboard Nov 02 00:09:25 :-) Nov 02 00:09:26 anyhow merlin1991, they took several pics from different positions Nov 02 00:09:30 so that the arm is not visible Nov 02 00:09:40 >the daily mail Nov 02 00:09:46 i just follow google Nov 02 00:09:47 wtfamireading.jpg Nov 02 00:13:24 merlin1991: stitched several snapshots to a huge highres picture. Obviously the managed to pick those pictures that all have no sign of the arm (though I still wonder what's about the point of the rover where the arm *ends*) Nov 02 00:13:39 or rather: starts Nov 02 00:14:00 there *must* be some artifacts there Nov 02 00:15:28 since, while the hand arm could portrait the rover, still the arm can't portrait itself full length - you'll never see the camera taking the snapshots in the snapshots. So where's the stub? Nov 02 00:16:01 or are there two of them cameras? Nov 02 00:19:43 DocScrutinizer05: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curiosity_rover#Mars_Hand_Lens_Imager_.28MAHLI.29 Nov 02 00:19:47 thats used to make the portrait pics Nov 02 00:20:09 mahli is the only camera on a long arm Nov 02 00:21:08 DocScrutinizer05: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/98/Curiosity_on_Mars.jpg Nov 02 00:21:13 here the arm seems cut out Nov 02 00:21:20 bottom middle Nov 02 00:25:14 Also look in reflection in the lens in upper left on that big selfportrait pic Nov 02 00:25:48 its upside down, yes Nov 02 00:25:53 thats normal Nov 02 00:26:00 at least, if you mean the inverted landscape Nov 02 00:30:39 I just think they pretty nifty cut hte stiching so it doesn't show where they cut of the arm with the camera Nov 02 00:31:13 cut off* Nov 02 00:32:20 probably, yes Nov 02 00:33:32 Is there any way to stop the media player from renaming audio files? I assume it's fetching information from CDDB or FreeDB, but I don't want it renaming files that it finds matches for. Nov 02 00:36:45 it's not renaming files Nov 02 00:36:50 does anyone see the shadow of the arm then? Nov 02 00:37:02 Dragnslcr: the whole crap works quite different Nov 02 00:38:26 the notorious trackerd is scanning "all device" for media files and tags in there. Then buolds a SQL database from that, and this is used to show available songs/videos etc in mediaplayer Nov 02 00:38:49 Well, the file manager shows them being renamed Nov 02 00:38:57 duh Nov 02 00:39:06 nobody ever seen that before Nov 02 00:39:18 So does my computer when it connects in mass storage mode Nov 02 00:39:28 :shrug: Nov 02 00:39:41 nfc who should rename files there Nov 02 00:39:56 my files all are untampered Nov 02 00:40:15 as are mine Nov 02 00:40:50 Hm, terminal shows the files with the names I gave them Nov 02 00:40:57 after all renaming media files was pretty idiocy, since on next sync your syncer would think fles are missing and would copy them over again Nov 02 00:40:59 Bizarre Nov 02 00:41:44 Let me check mass storage mode again Nov 02 00:42:16 Okay, it looks correct from my computer now Nov 02 00:42:49 Dragnslcr: maybe you fell for another evil pitfall: you MUST NOT try to access any files on MyDocs or uSD-card via any means on-device, as long as device is in USB mass storage mode Nov 02 00:43:25 Yeah, the FIle Manager doesn't even show the SD card in mass storage mode Nov 02 00:43:58 And I know I haven't gone through the terminal like that Nov 02 00:44:10 since MyDocs as well as /media/card needs umount to get exported, you'd access a plain dir of / or in your homedir then Nov 02 00:44:36 So File Manager shows the CDDB names. I guess it looks at the metadata Nov 02 00:44:43 this shows where the imager (MAHLI) is attached: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3f/Drawing-of-the-Mars-Science_Laboratory.png Nov 02 00:45:01 looking at the picture you can see the artifacts Nov 02 00:45:05 soring any files there during mass storage mode would create phantom files that sue up space but never usually are visible Nov 02 00:45:11 mystery solved :D Nov 02 00:45:12 So I guess my question then is just how to stop the media player from fetching the info Nov 02 00:45:35 storing* Nov 02 00:46:37 Dragnslcr: there's no way to stop mediaplayer from using tracker database. there's however a plugin to access 'raw' filesystem Nov 02 00:47:16 and I never realized filemanager shows metadata for media files Nov 02 00:47:43 Seems odd to me, too. That's all I can think of, though Nov 02 00:47:56 and tbh I doubt that's the case Nov 02 00:49:22 It doesn't show the same names as doing ls in the terminal Nov 02 00:49:42 for the base dirs that's true Nov 02 00:50:07 afaik neither media player or tracker "fetches" anything from anywhere but the file itself, so just delete metadata from file and you'll see just filenames Nov 02 00:50:13 as /home/user/MyDocs/ is shown as N900/ in filemanager Nov 02 00:50:34 Skry: err wut? Nov 02 00:50:38 For stuff under Music, it lists the song title and artist Nov 02 00:50:48 filemanager? Nov 02 00:50:52 Yup Nov 02 00:51:00 by metadata I ment ie id3 tags Nov 02 00:51:19 I don't know if Music is treated special, or if it would do it anywhere in the file system Nov 02 00:51:56 soory, not even a Music dir here Nov 02 00:52:39 I have /media/mmc1/Music Nov 02 00:53:13 :shrug: Nov 02 00:53:23 I don't think that's any standard Nov 02 00:53:36 since /media/mmc1 is the uSD Nov 02 00:54:33 but yeah, I can confirm it shows metadata in MP3 dirs Nov 02 00:55:01 with a music note icon in front of them Nov 02 00:55:21 I don't remember if it's always been there or if I created the directories on the SD card myself Nov 02 00:55:22 fsck filemanager Nov 02 00:55:34 I've had the phone for almost 3 years Nov 02 00:56:25 pro-tip: use URL "file://media/mmc1/music" in browser Nov 02 00:56:54 or, alternatively, use a decent file manager Nov 02 00:57:12 not the braindamaged one that ships with maemo Nov 02 00:58:17 every other filemanager will allow you to visiut dirs like /etc /var whatnot else, and doesn't do nifty idiocy like the metadata stuff on media files Nov 02 00:59:34 Yeah, probably a good idea. I haven't used the file manager too much anyway. Mass storage mode and the terminal have been good enough so far Nov 02 00:59:53 Skry- looks like you might be right that it reads the id3 tags Nov 02 01:00:11 Dragnslcr: I am. Nov 02 01:00:38 Now to change all of them Nov 02 01:03:50 Dragnslcr: if you remove/change them you might need to manually set tracker to do a rescan. Nov 02 01:04:36 Not sure though, but I have a faint memory of tracked not updating on metadata change, might be wrong. Nov 02 01:04:57 It looked like it picked it up right away, but I had copied a new file from my computer anyway Nov 02 01:05:02 imo tracker should be killed with fire Nov 02 01:10:35 Thanks for the help, all Nov 02 01:11:05 np Nov 02 02:19:01 hello, is there an app to allow in-coming calls shows caller info (company, title, etc.) in contacts database? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Nov 02 03:00:00 2012