**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Nov 11 02:59:57 2012 Nov 11 03:00:19 anyway df on my server is ~20G, so I'd prefer to dl it on a larger space Nov 11 03:00:44 though... 20G might just suffice Nov 11 03:02:18 btw there has to exist a damn script for ecactly all that Nov 11 03:03:11 and you're aware those are XML content, so basically useless until imported to another wiki Nov 11 03:03:51 at least "easily" parseable :D Nov 11 03:03:56 yoh Nov 11 03:04:00 Skry: got anywhere with that file? Nov 11 03:04:54 it's a bit of work to finish that Nov 11 03:05:51 from e.g http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Special%3AAllPages&from=&to=&namespace=6 you need to follow the links, to collect the pieces Nov 11 03:06:07 http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Special:AllPages&namespace=6&from=01_MADDE_create_key.jpg&to=EnterCatalogDetails.png Nov 11 03:06:20 Anyone here get curl working for the n900? Nov 11 03:06:29 http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Special:AllPages&namespace=6&from=EricWarnke.jpg&to=Maemo.org_logo_contest_femorandeira_7.png Nov 11 03:06:41 etc Nov 11 03:07:04 Snafu777: afaik curl is working on fremantle, yes Nov 11 03:07:09 Hmm Nov 11 03:07:16 deb repo? not finding it searching like i am Nov 11 03:07:28 there's been a patch for some SSL stuff iirc Nov 11 03:07:46 Not showing in the maemo repos Nov 11 03:08:28 http://maemo.org/packages/view/curl/ Nov 11 03:09:13 http://maemo.org/packages/ is your friend Nov 11 03:09:38 merlin1991: yeah, there are _lot_ of shit, i need to do some automation obviously, meanwhile, heres the main namespace, just paste everything in it to export page (link earlier) and download Nov 11 03:09:52 ty Nov 11 03:09:55 yw Nov 11 03:10:05 merlin1991: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/49989728/maemo_wiki_main.txt Nov 11 03:10:56 Snafu777: enable extras-devel repo, apt-cache search curl Nov 11 03:12:10 lookin, hang tight, ill let u know if it works, i dont think it will as i tried the other night Nov 11 03:12:23 apt-get install curl; disable extras-devel again Nov 11 03:13:01 i think it required things that werent available, but i will let ya know Nov 11 03:13:04 DocScrutinizer05: curl -X POST -d curonly=1 -d wpDownload=1 --data-urlencode pages=@$FILEHERE http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Special:Export&action=submit Nov 11 03:14:16 merlin1991: I gather you expect me to run that on my server now? Nov 11 03:14:19 :-) Nov 11 03:14:23 running it here now :D Nov 11 03:14:31 ok :-D Nov 11 03:14:33 just in case you wanted to know the command :D Nov 11 03:14:46 sure, updating dat tmo post Nov 11 03:15:50 hm not working though Nov 11 03:16:22 https://dl.dropbox.com/u/49989728/maemo_wiki_file.txt Nov 11 03:16:43 I guess it still is not including the files Nov 11 03:17:15 hah Nov 11 03:17:31 Skry beaten me on it Nov 11 03:17:55 hm somehow it seems to foobar the request Nov 11 03:19:17 https://dl.dropbox.com/u/49989728/maemo_wiki_user.txt Nov 11 03:19:18 probably too long argument Nov 11 03:19:54 DocScrutinizer05: I think curl is also in extras-testing and maybe even in extras. But if I remember it well the newest version is in CSSU-testing ;) Nov 11 03:20:22 yep, and has some fix Nov 11 03:20:31 afaik Nov 11 03:21:45 https://dl.dropbox.com/u/49989728/maemo_wiki_talk.txt Nov 11 03:22:58 dang such a small typo Nov 11 03:23:47 but it only loaded 12m Nov 11 03:23:58 mind to post the corrected version? Nov 11 03:24:32 (about to edit that tmo post) Nov 11 03:25:08 curl -X POST -d catname= -d curonly=1 -d wpDownload=1 --data-urlencode pages@$PAGESFILE -o $OUTFILE http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Special:Export&action=submit Nov 11 03:25:42 do we want the xml with or without history? Nov 11 03:27:22 with Nov 11 03:27:56 if that doesn't nuke your server storage Nov 11 03:28:14 hm how can I set up a temporary quota for a folder? Nov 11 03:28:20 never tired such a thing Nov 11 03:28:26 dunno if the xml has the diffs or full versions Nov 11 03:28:54 err, how about setting up a quota for a subshell? Nov 11 03:28:59 or that Nov 11 03:29:13 * merlin1991 never worked with quotas before nfc what possibilities there are Nov 11 03:29:29 ulimit Nov 11 03:29:43 should suffice Nov 11 03:29:49 no manual entry for ulimit Nov 11 03:30:18 man bash Nov 11 03:30:19 oh it's part of bash Nov 11 03:30:47 I think quota have to be enabled on mount time Nov 11 03:30:58 hm 400gb free space Nov 11 03:30:59 true quota Nov 11 03:31:01 should suffice Nov 11 03:31:06 :-) Nov 11 03:34:01 this was a bitch.. https://dl.dropbox.com/u/49989728/maemo_wiki_category.txt Nov 11 03:35:36 toldya Nov 11 03:35:38 :-) Nov 11 03:35:57 ooooops dont use that Nov 11 03:36:08 forgot subcategories, fuuuuu :D Nov 11 03:36:22 lol Nov 11 03:36:25 gonna have a smoke first, then take 2 Nov 11 03:36:41 k Nov 11 03:36:52 hm with and without the curonly parameter the output is the same Nov 11 03:36:53 watf? Nov 11 03:38:21 we *should* make a nice script outa all that Nov 11 03:38:24 seems the curonly flag is for shits ang iggle only Nov 11 03:38:29 hm wait Nov 11 03:38:33 * merlin1991 has an idea Nov 11 03:38:59 the webform looks so bad already I bet curonly=0 has the same effect as curonly=1 you probably need NO curonly for history Nov 11 03:39:21 yep Nov 11 03:39:25 suddenly there's data Nov 11 03:39:25 hah Nov 11 03:39:34 nice catch Nov 11 03:40:20 I bet it checks for "curonly=" ;-P Nov 11 03:40:55 I bet It's a simple if(isset($_POST['curonly'])) { bla } Nov 11 03:41:07 or that Nov 11 03:41:39 though you're right, that wiki probably relies on magic variables so it does somehting like if($curonly) Nov 11 03:42:08 du? Nov 11 03:42:11 whover had the idea to automatically translate form input to variables in a global scope should be killed Nov 11 03:42:30 it's php feature (with a huge DO NOT USE warning these days) Nov 11 03:42:55 rather du -hs Nov 11 03:44:46 "subject: hello dear new friend! - from: mama" SUUUURE Nov 11 03:45:05 at least the internationalized the from field ;) Nov 11 03:46:03 still no mail "inviting" me to council Nov 11 03:46:32 btw is wiki editing still not working? Nov 11 03:46:51 good question, I bet nobody ficed it yet Nov 11 03:47:23 >>User account "Joerg rw" is not registered. Please check if you want to create/edit this page.<< Nov 11 03:47:32 well without the categories pages we have 532 mb Nov 11 03:48:15 though the File: pages are rather err useless Nov 11 03:48:43 gathered as much, you'll need to wget them directly I guess Nov 11 03:48:59 file packed in XML? nah! Nov 11 03:49:17 they don't even pack a link to the file :/ Nov 11 03:49:20 only the description Nov 11 03:49:50 I'm getting the images too Nov 11 03:50:02 how? Nov 11 03:50:12 --recursive Nov 11 03:50:42 forgot to put some ignore urls there so it looks like its fetching images currently Nov 11 03:50:45 that's not over the export interface of the wiki though Nov 11 03:50:52 nope Nov 11 03:51:19 all I got was a bazillion pages with File: somename that had info about the creator Nov 11 03:51:25 the image content nowhere to be found Nov 11 03:51:43 looks like hitting the category page with recursive fetches images, docs and so on Nov 11 03:51:48 curl: relocation error: curl: symbol curl_dostrdup, version CURL_OPENSSL_3 not defined in file libcurl.so.4 with link time reference Nov 11 03:51:54 any tricks Doc? Nov 11 03:52:53 Skry: I only fed your data file into the export form from the wiki Nov 11 03:53:02 trick: get the libcurl that matches curl Nov 11 03:53:16 which in turn only gave image descriptions but no files Nov 11 03:53:25 See what I meant? Tricky to get curl working Nov 11 03:53:26 =/ Nov 11 03:53:51 merlin1991: yeah, you can't get images etc in xml documents Nov 11 03:54:18 Skry: they could go mental and put them there base64 encoded ;) Nov 11 03:54:31 haha, true :D Nov 11 03:55:29 I *guess* removing 'File:' prefix will already yield a proper URL to file itself Nov 11 03:55:44 it's kinda bad though, the exported 'File: somename' pages don't contain enough info to grab the actual image files Nov 11 03:56:10 DocScrutinizer05: nah ie File:ZipV2-48.png is http://wiki.maemo.org/images/a/ac/ZipV2-48.png Nov 11 03:56:23 dafaq Nov 11 03:57:31 Snafu777: enable extras-devel; apt-get install --reinstall libcurl Nov 11 03:57:40 skry@Arch ~/Temp/maemo_wiki_pt1 $ ls category/actual/newactual/wiki.maemo.org/images/thumb/0/08/Lanedo.png/300px-Lanedo.png Nov 11 03:58:28 so i guess there is some logic to get the correct image Nov 11 03:59:22 hmm Nov 11 03:59:28 Skry: sure, if they're referneced/linked on some page Nov 11 03:59:37 DocScrutinizer05: hm there's an "api" to retrieve the real url though Nov 11 03:59:47 OOOH Nov 11 03:59:55 http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=File:ZipV2-48.png&action=edit&externaledit=true&mode=file gives some info including the the storage url Nov 11 03:59:56 * DocScrutinizer05 yawns a bit Nov 11 03:59:57 sorry Nov 11 04:00:49 sorry Nov 11 04:00:52 but I'm not going to write a script to grab that :D Nov 11 04:01:38 btw DocScrutinizer05 you might want to add the info about ommiting curonly for history data to your post Nov 11 04:01:55 :nod: Nov 11 04:02:16 next edit, when Skry has the categories file Nov 11 04:03:24 (write a script) doesn't even render on my browser Nov 11 04:04:52 what do you mean by doesn't even render? Nov 11 04:05:41 hmmm Nov 11 04:06:24 lubcurl isnt available....this is ridiculous =) Nov 11 04:06:27 libcurl Nov 11 04:06:27 http://wiki.maemo.org/Special:ListFiles http://wiki.maemo.org/Special:FilePath and TADAAAA http://wiki.maemo.org/Special:Upload Nov 11 04:06:33 :-S Nov 11 04:06:36 Its okay though, Ill port it and let ya know how Doc =) Nov 11 04:06:43 Hackin shit together is my speciality Nov 11 04:07:22 DocScrutinizer05: seems you found yet another api to check the full path :D Nov 11 04:07:26 merlin1991: (doesn't render) blank page, requester "open with... / save as...." Nov 11 04:07:38 yeah it's about 10 lines of text though Nov 11 04:07:47 but comes as application/something thus not rendered Nov 11 04:07:55 :-/ Nov 11 04:08:18 but yours is actually better Nov 11 04:08:33 because it directly returns the file ( I mean http://wiki.maemo.org/Special:FilePath ) Nov 11 04:10:48 it maps directly to http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Special:FilePath&file=$SOMEFILE which returns the binary data Nov 11 04:12:47 so will this facilitate a script to download files? Nov 11 04:12:51 oh great, by the looks of the filenames some andy has his vacation pictures from amsterdamn on wiki :D Nov 11 04:13:07 yep Nov 11 04:13:08 this might take awhile Nov 11 04:13:28 DocScrutinizer05: I'd have to parse the content of my Files.xml and bulk dl :D Nov 11 04:16:08 (Amsterdam) might be a maemo meeting Nov 11 04:18:11 damn, I have no idea how an xml sax parser works Nov 11 04:18:29 ummm Nov 11 04:19:02 you're using what? Nov 11 04:19:05 I always use mighty dom parsers and query them with xpath :D Nov 11 04:19:11 is there sth like `sax`? Nov 11 04:20:04 wouldn't grep suffice? or sed/awk maybe? to create a joblist from a set of files Nov 11 04:20:33 but but I wanted to write an insanly complicated python script :/ Nov 11 04:20:38 I mean, they are rather similar structure, no? Nov 11 04:21:23 I mean yes a simple grep >File:[^<]+ would suffice Nov 11 04:21:29 together with a bit of cut Nov 11 04:24:12 oh why in the name of fsck there is no "export all". what. they. were. thinking! Nov 11 04:25:26 why does regex hate on me? Nov 11 04:25:40 it hates everyone and everything Nov 11 04:26:06 "File:[^<]+" should match on anything File:sometext Nov 11 04:26:11 but it doesn't :/ Nov 11 04:30:29 1614 image files Nov 11 04:32:58 and my script is running Nov 11 04:33:28 Bah humbug, curl is working but without SSL Nov 11 04:34:24 DocScrutinizer05: for shitz n giggls I did dl the images aswell Nov 11 04:35:21 cool job Nov 11 04:35:53 or actually am dl the images Nov 11 04:35:58 since http has a HUGE overhead Nov 11 04:36:13 (regex) escape! Nov 11 04:36:39 DocScrutinizer05: which part would need escaping? Nov 11 04:37:12 < / : and > are simple characters in the global context, and to my knowledge < has no special meaning in a group either Nov 11 04:37:13 prolly the <>, maybe :, dunno for sure Nov 11 04:37:35 anyway escaping is allowed anywhare Nov 11 04:37:43 \c == c Nov 11 04:37:47 funnily enough File:.+ works Nov 11 04:37:55 unless c has a special meaning Nov 11 04:38:45 also actually [] might need \ Nov 11 04:39:14 like () need \ in some falvor of regex Nov 11 04:40:01 hm wait File:.+ does not work File:.* works Nov 11 04:40:07 there are simple regex and whatnot else, escaping is quite different between them Nov 11 04:40:33 + might need \ Nov 11 04:40:44 + has a special meaning Nov 11 04:40:53 don't ask me, it's as late here as at your place ;-) Nov 11 04:41:13 wtf excaping + works Nov 11 04:41:20 is bash going mental here? Nov 11 04:41:20 toldya Nov 11 04:41:37 nah, diff between simple and whatnot regex Nov 11 04:41:48 because in the case of regex an escaped + would match a friggin + and not work as a control character Nov 11 04:42:07 in the other flavor everything inverse Nov 11 04:42:13 almost everything Nov 11 04:42:27 basically File:.\+ should match File:$ONECHARHERE+ Nov 11 04:42:27 ( in one is \( in the other Nov 11 04:42:54 ah well Nov 11 04:42:59 * merlin1991 blames grep Nov 11 04:43:16 yeah egrep has the more sane approach to + Nov 11 04:43:44 extended versus simple regex Nov 11 04:44:06 yeah but simple regex says anything escaped is said character Nov 11 04:44:17 so it's a grep specific extension to simple regex Nov 11 04:44:22 .... brainfuck Nov 11 04:44:50 man grep|less +'/--extended-regexp' Nov 11 04:46:10 In basic regular expressions the meta-characters ?, +, {, |, (, and ) lose their special meaning; instead use the backslashed versions \?,\+, \{, \|, \(, and \). Nov 11 04:46:22 * merlin1991 's brain is full of fuck Nov 11 04:46:35 >> grep understands three different versions of regular expression syntax: “basic,” “extended” and “perl.”<< Nov 11 04:47:18 afaik all those meta characters are not part of basic regex at all Nov 11 04:47:34 hence should match the character in escaped form Nov 11 04:47:57 hmm, you might be right on that Nov 11 04:48:44 so + doesn't work in grep, \+ is a gnu extension, and in egrep it's + Nov 11 04:51:08 regex are mere fun ;-) Nov 11 04:53:44 epic: >> GNU grep -E attempts to support traditional usage by assuming that { is not special if it would be the start of an invalid interval specification. For example, the command grep -E '{1' searches for the two-character string {1 instead of reporting a syntax error in the regular expression. POSIX.2 allows this behavior as an extension, but portable scripts should avoid it.<< Nov 11 04:54:22 well curl just trolled me Nov 11 04:54:43 there is a distinct option to follow http "redirectes" aka location headers Nov 11 04:57:59 * DocScrutinizer05 looks at man grep|less +'/sl= ' and ponders having a nap Nov 11 04:58:25 sth must be wrong with my logic processor, doesn't parse Nov 11 05:00:02 EDOESNOTPARSE ESLEEPREQUIRED Nov 11 05:01:18 aaah, >> See the Select Graphic Rendition (SGR) section in the documentation of the text terminal<< Nov 11 05:02:58 >> NOTES GNU's not Unix, but Unix is a beast; its plural form is Unixen.<< Nov 11 05:03:52 Skry: you're still with us? Nov 11 05:05:15 [2012-11-11 04:36:25] gonna have a smoke first, then take 2 Nov 11 05:06:08 merlin1991: or did I miss something? Nov 11 05:06:28 nope Nov 11 05:06:37 he only said later that it might take a while Nov 11 05:06:43 so we got all now, except categories? Nov 11 05:07:00 yep Nov 11 05:07:08 :nod: Nov 11 05:07:08 just posting the images dl snippet Nov 11 05:07:15 DocScrutinizer05: yeah, had to ctrl-c the recursive, finnish weather -> gprs, I'm currently doing little less deep wget Nov 11 05:08:24 recursive wget is a bitch for that problem, since it's always "next page" "next page"... Nov 11 05:08:46 okay media dl snippet is in place aswell Nov 11 05:08:49 yeah Nov 11 05:08:50 there are only like 6 or 8 next pages though Nov 11 05:10:38 hi Doc .. got another problem. while updating to cssu, its saying ssl connection timeout Nov 11 05:10:38 well, I'm off for good, Skry higlight / pm me with the last txt when you've done it Nov 11 05:11:15 merlin1991: sure, might need to get some sleep first though Nov 11 05:11:26 07:11 :S Nov 11 05:18:48 first time I see sed doing cpu burning :D Nov 11 05:24:36 help ssl connection timeout wen updating to cssu.. Nov 11 05:29:56 try again tomorrow Nov 11 05:40:05 Skry: actually scratch that "6 or 8 pages" nonsense Nov 11 05:41:23 there are even friggin sub-categories Nov 11 05:41:55 with sub-categories DAFAQ Nov 11 05:42:37 http://wiki.maemo.org/Category:Hardware http://wiki.maemo.org/Category:N900_Hardware http://wiki.maemo.org/Category:N900_Additional_Hardware Nov 11 05:43:34 seems those sub-categories are also listed on categories mainpage though Nov 11 05:45:38 yeah, I noticed, on top to that, there are pages split into (next 200) etc, and wget keeps going in circles, and so on Nov 11 05:46:26 I'm pretty sure I'm going to miss some entries but I would say having most is better thatn having nothing Nov 11 05:48:36 HMMPF!! http://wiki.maemo.org/Batteries is under http://wiki.maemo.org/Category:Hardware but also under (main)->http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Special:AllPages&from=ALARMED_Commands_List&to=Documentation%2FMaemo_5_Developer_Guide%2FUsing_Generic_Platform_Components Nov 11 05:49:17 so I wonder if we need sub-categories at all Nov 11 05:49:20 SOLVED.. didn update using wifi.. had to use gprs Nov 11 05:49:46 or if maybe those are just "directories" finally ending on a (main)-page leaf Nov 11 05:50:26 devilinside: never heard of such problem resp such solution Nov 11 06:07:37 I thin I only did 2 levels of categories Nov 11 06:07:43 Skry: merlin1991: wget http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Special%3AAllPages&from=&to=&namespace=14 deepth=1 should suffice Nov 11 06:08:27 SpeedEvil: there's actually only the URL above which has all the links needed to get Nov 11 06:09:39 these are all category pages existing, and they link to other categories (same location) and to "leaf pages" which are in "(main)" Nov 11 06:10:07 so single derefernciation is sufficient Nov 11 06:10:50 wget http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Special%3AAllPages&from=&to=&namespace=14 and all the pages linked in there Nov 11 06:11:48 well, for downloading we want file with list of pages from http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Special%3AAllPages&from=&to=&namespace=14, to feed to the XML download API Nov 11 06:12:13 this gives us XML of all "Category:*" Nov 11 06:12:57 together with all files listed on "(main)" we get about 95% Nov 11 06:13:15 rest is "File:*" and "User:*" Nov 11 06:13:30 a lil bit of talk Nov 11 06:13:49 oh Nov 11 06:13:51 :D Nov 11 06:14:00 well, https://dl.dropbox.com/u/49989728/maemo_wiki_category.txt Nov 11 06:14:25 I'll make one which has all entries I got and no duplicates Nov 11 06:20:29 I ponder to write a script Nov 11 06:21:00 https://dl.dropbox.com/u/49989728/maemo_wiki_pages.txt Nov 11 06:22:33 no quarantee theres even remotely all Nov 11 06:26:54 it's been something like 8 years since I last touched bsd, now I just have to try since someone has put some effort on ArchBSD. Amazing, boots in second, 4 processes :) Nov 11 06:30:28 merlin1991: http://pastebin.com/sVFkBCXS <- all "filenames" of Categories we need Nov 11 06:32:54 sorry I didn't bother to sed out the redundancy and cruft Nov 11 06:43:56 merlin1991: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/49989728/maemo_wiki_pages.txt <- combined, in case you still need one Nov 11 06:44:00 almost forgot Nov 11 09:38:26 DocScrutinizer05: have you installed the bme replacement yet? Nov 11 10:08:13 WielkiTost: dude! Nov 11 10:08:33 oops, sorry Nov 11 10:17:16 do you know if the instructions on installing cssu-thumb apply to a cssu-stable n900?, or only to plain without any cssu n900 ? Nov 11 10:20:42 How does the proximity sensor actually work? I can only get it to activate with a success rate of about 40% or so. Nov 11 10:21:26 I have noticed that some newer Nokia phones can hang up on the caller by putting the phone down. Can the n900 also do that? Nov 11 10:22:20 amospalla: they should apply nicely Nov 11 10:22:24 amospalla: actually, even easier Nov 11 10:22:32 amospalla: do you trust me? Nov 11 10:22:58 disable the cssu stable repo, enable the cssu testing and cssu thumb repos, update from HAM Nov 11 10:25:36 amospalla: actually Nov 11 10:25:50 disable or delete the cssu stable repo, then follow the cssu-thumb instructions Nov 11 10:29:14 nothing like accidentally ending a call when you put down the phone to tend to something :) Nov 11 10:34:37 kerio: thanks, let's see if it does not explode Nov 11 10:35:13 it's fairly important to use the .install file because the repos are enabled by community-ssu-enabler only if they're a perfect match Nov 11 10:38:29 application manager is so slow... :/ Nov 11 10:39:04 if you have KP already you can use apt-get Nov 11 10:39:09 but it's not sanctioned or supported Nov 11 10:39:56 yes, better the official route Nov 11 10:40:22 still waiting for catalogs to appear on application manager, how can that be so slow... Nov 11 10:40:41 nah, it's just that i know enough about the system to figure out if everything is going as it's supposed to :) Nov 11 10:41:03 and i can recover, most importantly Nov 11 10:45:28 installing right now :D Nov 11 10:49:30 system idle, application manager responds interactivity, I can open menu, without waiting, I guess I must relaunch it Nov 11 10:50:03 iftop shows nothing downloading from anywhere Nov 11 10:53:57 ok, now Nov 11 11:15:00 Im afraid :| Nov 11 11:16:23 what? Nov 11 11:16:42 http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Discussion/showthread.php?238318-Harmattan-dev-down&p=906282# Nov 11 11:17:55 these upgrades scaries me a lot Nov 11 11:18:08 my beloved n900 :'( Nov 11 11:18:59 haven't we been through this yesterday? Nov 11 11:19:04 backups Nov 11 11:19:37 oh god, its rebooting!! Nov 11 11:19:49 panic Nov 11 11:20:24 yes, we reveiwed them :D Nov 11 11:21:07 yeah, worked :D thanks Nov 11 11:21:55 amospalla: what is that scary thing you're installing on your device? Nov 11 11:23:16 guess it ;D Nov 11 11:23:30 cssu-thumb Nov 11 11:23:34 freemangordon: we've got another victim! Nov 11 11:23:36 user! Nov 11 11:23:44 lol Nov 11 11:24:07 ohai Pali Nov 11 11:24:14 i installed the new versions this morning Nov 11 11:24:30 (and i also removed the dpkg diversion i had on hald-addon-bme... whooops) Nov 11 11:24:43 hi Nov 11 11:26:06 Pali: i'll report if anything bad happens Nov 11 11:26:10 actually, let me start syslog Nov 11 11:26:14 ok Nov 11 11:30:26 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vix6TMnj9vY&feature=youtube_gdata_player it'll never catch on. (1973 tomorrows world on the mobile) Nov 11 11:35:39 that's a really interesting bit of history Nov 11 11:39:59 in the oneNAND, is there a difference between an erased page and an all-bits-1 page? Nov 11 11:43:08 they are the same thing Nov 11 11:43:22 as I understand it. Nov 11 11:43:43 an all bits 1 page has been erased, and then no bits written Nov 11 11:43:44 Pali: ping Nov 11 11:43:51 freemangordon, pong Nov 11 11:44:02 Pali: can you verify for me: Nov 11 11:44:16 actually, on reflection, I don't know if this is true for the ecc bits Nov 11 11:44:23 setup an alarm, power-off the device, wait for alarm to play Nov 11 11:44:30 press snooze Nov 11 11:44:30 it wakes Nov 11 11:44:35 oh Nov 11 11:44:46 dunno what happens in that event Nov 11 11:44:47 it the sound still play after snooze is pressed? Nov 11 11:44:56 s/it/is/ Nov 11 11:44:58 freemangordon meant: is the sound still play after snooze is pressed? Nov 11 11:45:58 Pali: scratch that, I found the bug Nov 11 11:53:19 ok, alarm UI should be fully functional, hopefully without bugs. Ready for testing Nov 11 11:53:52 any volunteer? Nov 11 11:53:56 kerio: ^^^ Nov 11 11:53:58 :P Nov 11 11:56:58 DocScrutinizer05, we need to backup also: http://repository.maemo.org/stable/ Nov 11 11:57:20 wget with recursively should work Nov 11 11:57:58 Pali: do we have closed stuff mirrored? Nov 11 11:58:16 http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ Nov 11 11:58:23 and also on merlin server Nov 11 11:59:43 http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/repository.maemo.org/dists/fremantle/4bc37c7c77ebe90177c050b805a8dc79/nokia-binaries/binary-armel/ Nov 11 11:59:46 empty Nov 11 12:00:33 http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/repository.maemo.org/dists/fremantle/sdk/non-free/binary-i386/ Nov 11 12:00:34 same Nov 11 12:01:02 Pali: scratch that Nov 11 12:01:19 the stuff is in /pool Nov 11 12:01:24 great Nov 11 12:01:34 mirror is not my Nov 11 12:01:40 ok, ok Nov 11 12:01:47 looks fine Nov 11 12:02:28 also need to backup madde: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/MADDE.php Nov 11 12:02:35 it contains qemu image of n900 Nov 11 12:02:52 usefull for testing something in virtuak Nov 11 12:02:55 *virtual Nov 11 12:02:58 yeah Nov 11 12:03:13 firmware is mirrored I hope Nov 11 12:09:54 and what about backup of garage projects? Nov 11 12:10:19 more are in git which can be easy by script Nov 11 12:10:35 and some are in svn, so git svn clone can be used Nov 11 12:11:10 Pali: it will be great to clone garage, there are piles of useful stuff there Nov 11 12:11:36 https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/MeeGo Nov 11 12:11:38 unfortunately I am not skilled enough to do that :( Nov 11 12:12:16 git repo are here: http://vcs.maemo.org/git/ Nov 11 12:12:29 btw maybe we should ask board/council, there could be some background job going on in that regard Nov 11 12:13:03 IMO, better safe than sorry :) Nov 11 12:13:18 Pali: damn, KP is on garage :D:D:D Nov 11 12:13:26 yes :-) Nov 11 12:13:36 but I have local git clone of cource Nov 11 12:14:25 this is usefull http://vcs.maemo.org/git/?a=project_index :-) Nov 11 12:14:32 M4rtinK: sure, but it makes no sense to do the same job twice Nov 11 12:14:57 each garage git repo has url: https://vcs.maemo.org/git/ Nov 11 12:15:07 and all projects in text file is on http://vcs.maemo.org/git/?a=project_index Nov 11 12:16:30 then we can synch ourselves on that previous wiki page Nov 11 12:16:31 https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/MeeGo Nov 11 12:17:07 and let me suggest to create single archive files to be updated until Doom day Nov 11 12:18:18 RzR, I can create easy shell script for git garage backup Nov 11 12:18:43 $ wget http://vcs.maemo.org/git/?a=project_index -O project_index && for p in `cat project_index`; do GIT_SSL_NO_VERIFY=1 git clone https://vcs.maemo.org/git/$p; done Nov 11 12:18:59 this should work ^^^ Nov 11 12:19:07 then tell about it Nov 11 12:19:13 Pali: do you have enough free space? Nov 11 12:19:14 somewhere Nov 11 12:19:18 ie : https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/MeeGo Nov 11 12:19:41 I cannot find EDIT button on that wiki Nov 11 12:19:42 we can move repo to gitorious ? Nov 11 12:19:49 https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/index.php?title=MeeGo&action=edit Nov 11 12:19:51 RzR, maunal work Nov 11 12:20:06 freemangordon: of course, I also hope most of this gets properly resolved by Council/Board, but there is still the possibility of some clueless rm-happy Nokia admin somewhere Nov 11 12:20:43 RzR, You do not have permission to edit this page Nov 11 12:20:47 i have Nov 11 12:20:48 sorry I cannot do that Nov 11 12:20:55 so it could be too late for some resources when it is officially resolved Nov 11 12:20:57 https://gitorious.org/+harmattan Nov 11 12:21:08 could this a place for backups? Nov 11 12:21:25 let me create +maemo team Nov 11 12:21:27 RzR, but you need to do that for every git repo Nov 11 12:21:46 above script download all git repo by one single script line Nov 11 12:21:47 well this can be scripted or crowsoruces Nov 11 12:21:57 ok Nov 11 12:22:35 RzR, maybe create garage maemo team Nov 11 12:22:52 but what to do with svn repos on garage? Nov 11 12:23:44 Pali: svn2git? merlin1991 has some knowledge afaik Nov 11 12:23:56 git svn clone svn://repo Nov 11 12:24:00 is working Nov 11 12:24:11 but there is no easy way yo extract all svn repos from garage Nov 11 12:25:01 there is no list? Nov 11 12:25:23 ok Nov 11 12:25:35 we can relocate there https://gitorious.org/+maemo Nov 11 12:25:52 let me add you Nov 11 12:26:12 RzR: yeah, add a couple of admins there Nov 11 12:26:20 tell me yours ids Nov 11 12:26:44 this is better for git cloning: git clone ssh://drop.maemo.org/git/$p Nov 11 12:26:50 https is very slow on garage Nov 11 12:27:12 clone --mirror? Nov 11 12:27:30 jon_y, git clone will clone full git repo Nov 11 12:27:39 RzR: https://gitorious.org/~freemangordon Nov 11 12:27:52 well, you seem to want to mirror it, I thought it might be a good idea Nov 11 12:28:00 https://gitorious.org/+maemo/memberships Nov 11 12:28:04 RzR: https://gitorious.org/~pali Nov 11 12:28:37 the council will hates us Nov 11 12:28:48 why? Nov 11 12:28:58 we bypassed them Nov 11 12:29:05 RzR, it is possible to create git repo in that team from shell? Nov 11 12:29:21 Pali, i guess yes , donno how Nov 11 12:29:36 but this can be scripted Nov 11 12:30:40 RzR, ok how to create new repo (on web) for that team? Nov 11 12:30:49 I did not see any create button Nov 11 12:32:00 we need to create a maemo project under +maemo team Nov 11 12:32:10 https://gitorious.org/projects/new Nov 11 12:32:54 better garage-maemo Nov 11 12:33:32 Pali: you should create new project from your home page Nov 11 12:33:36 aiui Nov 11 12:33:51 ok Nov 11 12:34:02 is garage-maemo ok? Nov 11 12:34:12 maemo-garage? Nov 11 12:34:17 https://gitorious.org/maemo Nov 11 12:34:50 let me contact him ? Nov 11 12:34:51 maemo-garage should be ok Nov 11 12:35:03 yeah, sounds better Nov 11 12:35:04 ok then i let you doing this Nov 11 12:35:05 :D Nov 11 12:36:24 just sent Nov 11 12:36:25 hi Nov 11 12:36:25 can you join #maemo Nov 11 12:36:25 and add +maemo team to this project Nov 11 12:36:25 we plan to relocate garage Nov 11 12:36:25 see Nov 11 12:36:25 https://gitorious.org/maemo-garage Nov 11 12:36:29 https://gitorious.org/+maemo Nov 11 12:36:31 Survival backup place may be temporary , until a post #feb11 community is setup hold on before comiting there . Nov 11 12:36:36 Related: Nov 11 12:36:38 https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/MeeGo Nov 11 12:36:40 https://gitorious.org/+harmattan Nov 11 12:36:42 ok Nov 11 12:36:44 fine Nov 11 12:37:23 RzR, can you rename +maemo to +maemo-garage? Nov 11 12:37:35 Pali: why? Nov 11 12:37:43 leave it that way Nov 11 12:37:46 ok Nov 11 12:40:02 we may manage more repo in the future Nov 11 12:40:12 :nod: Nov 11 12:40:52 Pali, have u set license : multiples? Nov 11 12:41:06 yes, I do not know all garage licences Nov 11 12:41:10 ues Nov 11 12:41:12 ok Nov 11 12:41:16 i checked fine Nov 11 12:41:19 we're efficient Nov 11 12:41:37 is it possible to clone directly to gitorious? Nov 11 12:41:46 without making a local repo Nov 11 12:42:42 hmm, who is garage admin? some nokian? Nov 11 12:45:51 :s Nov 11 12:49:13 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=87815 Nov 11 12:49:31 freemangordon, i where u have to script http requests Nov 11 12:49:42 freemangordon, no Nov 11 12:49:52 gitorious does not support importing Nov 11 12:50:01 :S Nov 11 12:53:07 RzR: if there was Fremantle target on COBS, we could do rzr:fremantle & import the Fremantle packages there :) Nov 11 12:53:33 is COBS project still alive? Nov 11 12:54:15 M4rtinK, yes Nov 11 12:54:18 is thought about Nov 11 12:54:22 the MeeGo COBS Nov 11 12:54:35 I already set up home:rzr:maemo Nov 11 12:54:36 the Fremantle COBS is not running at the moment IMHO Nov 11 12:54:41 but there is not builders yes Nov 11 12:54:52 but trying to build it on harmattan worth a try Nov 11 12:55:04 it got stalled by the need for overall migration IIRC Nov 11 12:55:13 yeah Nov 11 12:55:22 that was on my plan , I'll do that once I backup that mirror Nov 11 12:55:22 it even mostly works :) Nov 11 12:55:34 gtk, etc. Nov 11 12:55:41 then will upload the #Floss dsc to cobs Nov 11 12:55:48 M4rtinK, we miss hildon today Nov 11 12:57:21 RzR: https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=Fremantle - doesn't seem to be operational though Nov 11 12:58:15 M4rtinK, one problem at the time ok ? Nov 11 12:58:20 perhaps using a soft-float Harmattan target might do it ? Nov 11 12:58:21 ok :) Nov 11 12:58:41 Pali, so creating each project should be doable using wget Nov 11 12:58:59 https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/gitorious/rbRBxq16fDE Nov 11 12:59:03 ^^^ this not working Nov 11 12:59:27 RzR, do you have wget script? Nov 11 12:59:28 whatabout github or launchpad ? Nov 11 12:59:36 i used one someday Nov 11 12:59:42 launchpad is good, it support repository importing Nov 11 12:59:50 but launchpad has only bzr Nov 11 12:59:52 no git Nov 11 12:59:59 (but can import git repo into bzr) Nov 11 13:00:25 git please Nov 11 13:01:35 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8599760/variables-in-wget-post-data Nov 11 13:01:45 freemangordon: i activated an alarm, it correctly alarmed me Nov 11 13:01:50 what am i supposed to test? Nov 11 13:01:58 kerio: everything ;) Nov 11 13:02:08 ah, maybe i should've rebooted though Nov 11 13:02:17 kerio: sure Nov 11 13:02:32 calendar, act_dead mode, snooze, ... Nov 11 13:02:35 what else? Nov 11 13:02:46 third-party apps Nov 11 13:02:50 do you mirror it before uploading Nov 11 13:02:54 but that seems like work Nov 11 13:02:58 or plan to do one after one ? Nov 11 13:03:02 Pali, ? Nov 11 13:03:04 :c Nov 11 13:03:40 RzR, first I need script which can create repo on gitorious Nov 11 13:03:47 then I decide what to do Nov 11 13:04:09 Pali: srsly, your applet slows down mah boot Nov 11 13:04:13 >:c Nov 11 13:04:29 having a local copy would be higher priority Nov 11 13:05:06 Pali: https://gitorious.org/gitorious-cli Nov 11 13:05:43 that might to the job dor direct miroring Nov 11 13:05:47 *for Nov 11 13:06:24 Ruby?!? Nov 11 13:06:35 freemangordon: hm, "snooze" correctly added 5 minutes instead of 10 Nov 11 13:06:37 neat Nov 11 13:06:41 what? Nov 11 13:06:49 why 10? Nov 11 13:06:54 the default is 10 iirc Nov 11 13:07:03 worldclock has a way to set it Nov 11 13:07:11 the new and improved worldclock, i mean Nov 11 13:07:19 did you change it to 5? Nov 11 13:07:22 yep Nov 11 13:07:28 ok Nov 11 13:07:50 kerio: do you have gdb installed? Nov 11 13:08:17 freemangordon: i don't think so Nov 11 13:08:17 why? Nov 11 13:08:46 well, in case it crashes it will be usefull to have gdb attached Nov 11 13:08:51 nevermind Nov 11 13:12:49 freemangordon: calendar fails when i try to add an alarm to an event :( Nov 11 13:13:07 unrelated Nov 11 13:13:21 calendar db corrupted? Nov 11 13:13:35 kerio: no problems here Nov 11 13:13:43 btw what "fails" mean Nov 11 13:13:45 ? Nov 11 13:14:02 the "internal error" banner Nov 11 13:14:17 baad Nov 11 13:14:24 install gdb :D Nov 11 13:15:01 hm, maybe the "local" calendar is the problem Nov 11 13:15:25 yep, successfully notified Nov 11 13:15:48 does snooze/stop/view work as expected? Nov 11 13:15:48 yeah, it's the "local" calendar that's the problem Nov 11 13:15:53 freemangordon: i tried view, it worked Nov 11 13:16:04 where are the calendars stored? Nov 11 13:16:09 but why is your calendar Db corrupted? Nov 11 13:16:13 NFC Nov 11 13:16:22 ~/.calendar? Nov 11 13:16:30 oh, maybe because i was adding it to an invisible calendar Nov 11 13:19:59 kerio: makes no sense Nov 11 13:20:23 calendaring works Nov 11 13:20:25 even in portrait Nov 11 13:20:30 gj :D Nov 11 13:20:39 i *really* don't want to test alarms in act_dead mode :( Nov 11 13:20:47 kerio: why? Nov 11 13:20:57 because it's boring as hell Nov 11 13:20:57 kerio: force rotation enabled? Nov 11 13:21:00 you do it Nov 11 13:21:02 freemangordon: no Nov 11 13:21:04 I did it Nov 11 13:21:09 neat, so i don't have to Nov 11 13:21:15 freemangordon: i mean the popup Nov 11 13:21:30 kerio: forced rotation is disabled and alarms rotate? Nov 11 13:21:36 yep Nov 11 13:21:41 it was on the home screen though Nov 11 13:21:41 hmm, why is that? Nov 11 13:21:42 that's weird Nov 11 13:21:52 the internet connection dialog also rotates there Nov 11 13:21:58 well, stock behave in the same way Nov 11 13:22:00 and nowhere else Nov 11 13:22:18 aah, some hildon-desktop idiocy Nov 11 13:29:26 freemangordon, RzR: this script working: http://pyhacker.com/archive2012/gitoriouspy-command-line-interface-gitorious/ Nov 11 13:30:52 Pali: good Nov 11 13:31:39 now somwone should script it to do an online mirror of garage and we're ready Nov 11 13:31:50 not me, windoze here :( Nov 11 13:32:29 freemangordon: hold on, why do we need a new alarm ui? Nov 11 13:32:43 kerio: because stock is buggy as hell Nov 11 13:32:52 it always woke me up Nov 11 13:32:52 idk Nov 11 13:33:04 it cannot handle multiple alarms, it leaks memory, etc Nov 11 13:33:19 kerio: setup 3 alarms with 1 minute interval Nov 11 13:33:23 no u Nov 11 13:33:25 (using stock) Nov 11 13:33:26 freemangordon, going to do it Nov 11 13:33:33 Pali: great Nov 11 13:34:22 kerio: and tell me how many of them ring. leave them to auto-snooze. after 5 minutes tell me how may of them ring. Nov 11 13:34:49 *many Nov 11 13:34:55 but... Nov 11 13:35:05 i only have to wake up once per day! Nov 11 13:35:21 so? Nov 11 13:35:44 clearly everyone else also only has the same need Nov 11 13:36:07 kerio: what if one alarm is not enough to waky you up? Nov 11 13:36:11 *wake Nov 11 13:36:35 i usually stand up, grab the phone, shut down the alarm, go back to bed and start browsing reddit :3 Nov 11 13:36:42 lucky you Nov 11 13:36:44 clearly it should be extensible, up to __UINTMAX_MAX__ Nov 11 13:37:12 not to say that you can snooze only 3 times Nov 11 13:37:25 alarm sound is limited to 1 minute Nov 11 13:37:26 __UINTMAX_MAX__ alarms ought to be enough for everybody Nov 11 13:37:44 etc.. Nov 11 13:37:45 Well, everything is mirrored Nov 11 13:37:54 (except for harmattan-dev) Nov 11 13:38:00 teotwaki: garage? Nov 11 13:38:09 no, all the repos Nov 11 13:38:14 aah, ok Nov 11 13:38:17 http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it Nov 11 13:38:29 yeah, saw that, thanks a lot Nov 11 13:39:56 kerio: also read from http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1291382&postcount=1110 till the end of the thread Nov 11 13:40:06 s/till/to/ Nov 11 13:40:07 freemangordon meant: kerio: also read from http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1291382&postcount=1110 to the end of the thread Nov 11 13:43:55 Pali: what's with rmo/stable? Nov 11 13:44:11 teotwaki, rmo? Nov 11 13:44:17 Pali: do you have a deb/deb-src line I can add to my sources.list for backup? Nov 11 13:44:23 repository.maemo.org/stable Nov 11 13:44:34 repository.maemo.org/stable is not apt repo Nov 11 13:46:37 well Nov 11 13:46:44 if you have a wget script I can use Nov 11 13:46:54 I'll be happy to add it to maemo-archive Nov 11 13:50:01 teotwaki, hi Nov 11 13:50:15 teotwaki, someone said to have backuped h-d Nov 11 13:50:29 did they make it available online? Nov 11 13:51:24 RzR: downloading ;) Nov 11 13:51:34 well, I see you're downloading from wedrop.it Nov 11 13:52:58 RzR, backup started Nov 11 13:53:26 it it slow because creating repository on gitorious is slow Nov 11 13:53:35 gitorious? Nov 11 13:53:51 yes Nov 11 13:53:55 how so? Nov 11 13:54:13 greate Nov 11 13:54:13 https://gitorious.org/maemo-garage Nov 11 13:54:33 request for create new repo on gitorious takes 20s (without pushing) Nov 11 13:54:43 did you guys talk with the gitorious devs? Nov 11 13:54:54 They can run the creation in command line Nov 11 13:55:10 I'm doing it in parralel Nov 11 13:55:17 using the gitorious-admin console Nov 11 13:55:26 (I run a gitorious instance at work) Nov 11 13:55:29 when I created script for creating repos I started it Nov 11 13:55:38 teotwaki: Pali found some script doing the same Nov 11 13:55:41 also, if you use too much space, they can kill you off without warning Nov 11 13:55:49 when I started creating script for garage pull & gitorious push Nov 11 13:56:03 and now I started that clone script Nov 11 13:56:18 cool Nov 11 13:56:28 RzR, next I need list of all svn repositories from garage Nov 11 13:56:30 RzR: do you know if the h-d clone is available online? Nov 11 13:56:31 any idea Nov 11 13:56:43 can somebody look how to get all projects from garage? Nov 11 13:56:45 teotwaki, i dont think so Nov 11 13:56:53 but it has been said it is backuped Nov 11 13:56:57 Pali: you mean svn? Nov 11 13:57:03 check threads in tmo Nov 11 13:57:10 svn or all Nov 11 13:57:21 Pali, do git-svn them on the same place ? Nov 11 13:57:23 I have list of git, so I can filter that from all :-) Nov 11 13:57:26 will you Nov 11 13:57:36 RzR yes I want to all git svn clone Nov 11 13:57:47 but problem is that I do not have list of all svn projects Nov 11 13:58:22 Pali, we'll have to crawl all the garage website ? Nov 11 13:58:52 Pali: do you have error reporting if something fails? Nov 11 13:58:58 each project which has SCM support has URL: https://garage.maemo.org/scm/?group_id=1528 Nov 11 13:59:02 with ID Nov 11 13:59:06 that is for kernel-power Nov 11 13:59:18 freemangordon, I see that from console Nov 11 13:59:24 now only aptitude failed Nov 11 13:59:35 git clone aptitude from garage failed Nov 11 13:59:51 why? Nov 11 14:00:02 empty project? Nov 11 14:00:39 hmm, not empty Nov 11 14:00:59 no master branch Nov 11 14:04:36 Pali: something is not ok Nov 11 14:04:54 it seems you mirror only master branches Nov 11 14:05:20 use --mirror to grab everything Nov 11 14:05:38 Pali: ^^^ Nov 11 14:05:45 git clone --mirror? Nov 11 14:05:54 yes Nov 11 14:06:06 it is a bare repo, it gets everything Nov 11 14:06:17 also, it doesn't append origin Nov 11 14:06:20 *prepend Nov 11 14:06:55 WTF is canola? Nov 11 14:07:47 Canadian rape Nov 11 14:08:10 any relations to Canadian cross compilers? Nov 11 14:08:11 I am not spreading a emergency plan, but as some pple are considering this is time to do some stuff , and there is no way or reason to stop them, there should be some central point for coordination ... that's why I though if no one do that, then the servers will be killed for preservation efforts ... so let's act responsibly and dont act too fast , but wait things to be done if nothing is planned... Nov 11 14:08:23 dotn wait things to be done ... Nov 11 14:11:57 freemangordon: canola was a media player Nov 11 14:12:05 freemangordon: a very nice one at that Nov 11 14:12:39 aah, yes, I remember now, there were threads on TMO Nov 11 14:12:53 wasn't it closed source? Nov 11 14:13:13 freemangordon, it should be ok now Nov 11 14:13:18 I think v1 wasn't and v2 was, or vice versa Nov 11 14:13:18 aptitude was pushed Nov 11 14:13:50 how does integrated media player work so that it's not interrupted with power key? :O Nov 11 14:14:23 Pali: yeah, much better now :D Nov 11 14:14:58 Sysaxed: policy Nov 11 14:15:25 freemangordon, and what's behind this magic word? Nov 11 14:15:58 Pali: what was that prolog stuff you were playing with? Nov 11 14:16:37 libplayback library Nov 11 14:16:49 Sysaxed: ^^^ Nov 11 14:16:50 (closed and without documentation) Nov 11 14:16:58 afaik that one Nov 11 14:17:01 there are only header files Nov 11 14:17:12 should I say "fuck" now? XD Nov 11 14:17:22 Sysaxed: and there are some config files in /etc Nov 11 14:17:29 I see that all the time in Windows Nov 11 14:17:34 DocScrutinizer05: you're now called "Sebastian Lauwers, aka CrashandDie aka teotwaki" Nov 11 14:17:34 libs with only headers Nov 11 14:17:39 text ones, don;t remember the name/location Nov 11 14:17:48 jon_y, I haven't seen window for 4 years now... Nov 11 14:17:49 but it should not be hard to find the Nov 11 14:17:51 anyway Nov 11 14:17:52 windows* Nov 11 14:17:52 I'm off Nov 11 14:17:55 grep for mediaplayer Nov 11 14:17:55 have fun guys Nov 11 14:18:01 bb Nov 11 14:18:13 teotwaki: I already corrected that Nov 11 14:18:30 also, COM headers with no corresponding lib Nov 11 14:18:56 jon_y: actually you don;t need anything to use COM Nov 11 14:19:05 besides .dll Nov 11 14:19:15 yeah, I write JNI at work :( Nov 11 14:19:19 and some COM Nov 11 14:19:27 is there any way to run command as user from root? Nov 11 14:19:32 I wish everybody would chill down a bit, and RzR wouldn't start so many parallel threads Nov 11 14:19:43 sudo user 'command' tells me that user is not in the sudoers file Nov 11 14:20:05 DocScrutinizer05, there are only 2 Nov 11 14:20:10 one for the wiki Nov 11 14:20:15 the other is general Nov 11 14:20:16 jon_y: but COM is deprecated AFAIk. (of course M$ has a newer and shiner things to show) Nov 11 14:20:25 but i can understand Nov 11 14:20:28 it feels like shepherding 5 flocks on 5 grounds Nov 11 14:20:39 code gotta work for GCC, so no winRT for the next 5 years Nov 11 14:21:01 well, my personal preference anyway Nov 11 14:21:09 until the boss starts shoving :) Nov 11 14:21:31 DocScrutinizer05, do u have a backup of harmattanDev ? Nov 11 14:21:51 DocScrutinizer05: garage going down? Nov 11 14:22:27 RzR: anyway (if you missed action in this very channel of yesterday) we got a backup of what's backup'able basically, hosted by honorable community members Nov 11 14:22:45 RzR: so maybe you could help chill down the panic a bit Nov 11 14:23:05 DocScrutinizer05: hmm, what panic? Nov 11 14:23:28 DocScrutinizer05, tell me what i should add to : Nov 11 14:23:35 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=87815 Nov 11 14:24:04 DocScrutinizer05, yes i know but teotwaki proposed to mirror it Nov 11 14:24:33 teotwaki *did* mirror it Nov 11 14:24:41 past tense Nov 11 14:24:43 RzR, can you look at garage how to get all svn projects? Nov 11 14:24:44 done Nov 11 14:24:50 no he didnt Nov 11 14:25:03 he backuped maemo5- Nov 11 14:25:09 bs Nov 11 14:25:22 and again, how can I run a command as user if I'm root? Nov 11 14:25:24 Pali, not today , it's time to do stuff one after Nov 11 14:25:27 freemangordon, easyphoto from garage failed Nov 11 14:25:30 RzR, ok Nov 11 14:25:55 we fired the backup process that's cool , but no need to do it all the same day Nov 11 14:26:05 RzR: please look at yesterday's chanlogs, and at the URL I (and he) posted Nov 11 14:26:06 many pple will have idea of what to do Nov 11 14:26:14 http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it.nyud.net ? Nov 11 14:26:31 also canola-book Nov 11 14:26:47 RzR: we're facing a DoS on maemo servers, due to panicking backupers Nov 11 14:26:55 RzR: of course, but lets do whatever can be done while we're at it Nov 11 14:27:19 DocScrutinizer05, really ? Nov 11 14:27:24 Pali: are you doing pull in parallel? Nov 11 14:27:31 let me inform pple to stop doint that Nov 11 14:27:34 no Nov 11 14:27:36 ok Nov 11 14:28:01 RzR: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1292999#post1292999 Nov 11 14:28:20 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1293000&postcount=11 Nov 11 14:28:54 http://identi.ca/notice/97830952 Nov 11 14:31:10 what's that ^^^ Nov 11 14:32:01 Pali: just write failed ones somewhere, if there are about 5-10 projects, wi'll mirror them by hand Nov 11 14:32:06 (just in case you dunno: nobody is supposed to click unknown URL in IRC just to find out what they are) Nov 11 14:32:08 *we Nov 11 14:32:53 DocScrutinizer05, well if you want to add info please do it on mer wiki ? Nov 11 14:33:02 i will paste this info then Nov 11 14:33:10 https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/MeeGo Nov 11 14:33:31 how's any of my info related to mer? Nov 11 14:33:45 freemangordon: ssh://drop.maemo.org/git/easyphoto Nov 11 14:34:03 mer host is future proof . no idea of mamo one Nov 11 14:34:26 Pali: ? Nov 11 14:34:28 freemangordon: ssh://drop.maemo.org/git/canola-book Nov 11 14:34:35 that two failed Nov 11 14:34:40 Pali, lets list this somewhere Nov 11 14:34:40 only those? Nov 11 14:34:45 :nod: Nov 11 14:34:53 yet only two Nov 11 14:35:06 RzR: though if only 2 noo need to list them Nov 11 14:35:11 *no Nov 11 14:35:16 let me do that now :) Nov 11 14:35:35 Pali: what's the error? Nov 11 14:35:44 error: Could not read aeee625317413eb64fd67cc644aba74b4064de60 Nov 11 14:35:56 and Nov 11 14:35:56 error: Could not read 7f36eacbc0559cd4e8b836e2004f9a7ea2778aa8 Nov 11 14:36:06 https://gitorious.org/maemo-garage#more Nov 11 14:36:38 RzR: please stop posting URL here, with no addressee and no comment what they are Nov 11 14:37:11 (just in case you dunno: nobody is supposed to click unknown URL in IRC just to find out what they are) Nov 11 14:37:22 RzR: :) Nov 11 14:38:04 RzR: you're a bit overreacting it seems to me Nov 11 14:38:45 DocScrutinizer05, probally Nov 11 14:38:52 so i will stop for today Nov 11 14:39:39 anyway "2 failures" is enough to react Nov 11 14:39:42 we got no real serious issue yet (at least none we wold know it won't get fixed soonish, except apps4meego) and we more than adequately handled the problem, there are several mirrors of ALL available repos existing out there, plus at least one backup of the wiki Nov 11 14:40:19 DocScrutinizer05, good , is it the same for meego wiki ? Nov 11 14:40:28 no Nov 11 14:40:46 only wiki.maemo.org backed up Nov 11 14:40:47 is it the only missing piece of the puzle Nov 11 14:40:58 so concentrate on that please Nov 11 14:41:02 DocScrutinizer05, in which form wiki.maemo.org is backuped ? Nov 11 14:41:15 XML Nov 11 14:41:17 for now Nov 11 14:41:46 see chanlog, and my post with IRC quotes Nov 11 14:42:00 many thank Skry and merlin1991! Nov 11 14:42:11 well then please let it know http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1292999#post1292999 Nov 11 14:42:51 please reread your own threads Nov 11 14:45:03 and I'm not going to click URL each time to open [current archive and future (17)] (and 18 and 19) window, or compare the URL char by char. Please refer to the threads like by title or whatever, in human readable parsable form Nov 11 14:45:57 i updated it Nov 11 14:46:04 (the benefits of running concurrent threads with pretty much same topic - you see?) Nov 11 14:46:11 let's hope it is clear now Nov 11 14:52:13 err, seems it's not apps4meego that failed - teotwaki lists it as mirrored Nov 11 14:52:59 freemangordon, i was thinking , maybe it would be safe to migrate svn projects on garage and then update gitorious mirror Nov 11 14:53:08 please check the central repo mirror URL he posted. Keep in mind that sync may still run Nov 11 14:53:08 I have added an external antenna to my dd-wrt AP. Nov 11 14:53:11 freemangordon, just a suggestion Nov 11 14:53:37 I cut the track, soldered on a stripped pigtail. Nov 11 14:54:05 It makes no difference whether the external aerial is attached or not. Nov 11 14:55:11 RzR: but why, we only need a list of svn projects Nov 11 14:55:30 vi__: attaching an antenna usually involves SWR tuning, otherwise antenna performance is abyssmal Nov 11 14:57:03 freemangordon, because it will be easier to sync later Nov 11 14:57:42 but once we have the list, it will be the same Nov 11 15:00:21 maybe Nov 11 15:00:33 well i think i need to breath fresh air now :) Nov 11 15:00:42 thx DocScrutinizer05 freemangordon Pali etc Nov 11 15:01:01 ask me to update my posts if you think it will benefit the community Nov 11 15:01:29 later Nov 11 15:02:55 DocScrutinizer05, remember I was asking about the volume keys stuff? Nov 11 15:02:59 so, now it's ready... Nov 11 15:03:06 I've tried to make it simple.. but failed Nov 11 15:03:09 here it is anyway Nov 11 15:03:23 (I can't register on maemo talk for a month now, so can't make a nice post about it there) Nov 11 15:03:27 https://dl.dropbox.com/u/71236259/smartKeys.py Nov 11 15:03:52 run this script as root. now if you press volume up and then volume down quickly (just slide your finger over the buttons) Nov 11 15:04:09 you'll lock/unlock the device without making it hang other apps like the powerkey does Nov 11 15:04:29 if you do it in another direction - it will change the song in the default media player Nov 11 15:04:36 feel free to customize it to your liking Nov 11 15:05:13 note that you must set DisableKPImmediately to 2 in /etc/mce/mce.ini to make volume keys work when the screen is locked Nov 11 15:07:10 and yes, you can use actions like volume up+volume+down+volume up+volume down etc Nov 11 15:07:48 just note that it does change system volume, so you will probably want to use same amount of volume ups and volume downs for an action Nov 11 15:08:19 maybe I should make a config file... but having it as a single file is something I like very much Nov 11 15:08:34 Sysaxed: that is really cool. Nov 11 15:08:59 is there a tmo thread? Nov 11 15:09:56 vi___, what is tmo? talk maemo? Nov 11 15:10:11 vi___, I can't register! Really! Maybe somebody could help me out? Nov 11 15:10:29 I've made my account on garage maemo but something went wrong I guess Nov 11 15:10:37 so I can login to garage but can't login in maemo.org Nov 11 15:10:46 DocScrutinizer05: yer welcome. did merlin1991 manage to get the wiki backed up? Nov 11 15:12:38 except those Categories: pages, we backed up everything, yes Nov 11 15:12:57 merlin1991: moinmoin, how's about finishing on that? Nov 11 15:13:42 Sysaxed: yep, I remember Nov 11 15:17:09 Sysaxed: your account on tmo is separate from garage, they're not linked Nov 11 15:17:23 DocScrutinizer05, awesome! But how can I register on tmo???? Nov 11 15:17:32 if it links me to the garage Nov 11 15:17:34 Sysaxed: you need to create an account *inside* tmo Nov 11 15:18:06 OH Nov 11 15:18:17 http://talk.maemo.org/register.php?do=register Nov 11 15:18:19 here it is Nov 11 15:18:25 Sysaxed: use firefox browser, set cookies to default policy, then click "create account" or whatever the name in tmo Nov 11 15:18:27 I was pressing BIG "Register" button instead Nov 11 15:19:04 I'd appreciate you post above awesome stuff to tmo too Nov 11 15:19:35 and *attach thew script* as file please! no external links, they vanish Nov 11 15:19:57 DocScrutinizer05, sure, I simply didn't know how to register, haha Nov 11 15:20:00 DocScrutinizer05: to be fair dropbox is a lot less likely to disappear than... say, talk.maemo.org :D Nov 11 15:20:09 DocScrutinizer05, well, it's not-that-external-link Nov 11 15:20:20 fair enough, still external links are an annoyance Nov 11 15:20:22 DocScrutinizer05, having 20 gb on dropbox and I'm not going to remove this file anyway Nov 11 15:21:01 links to *.maemo.org are ok, other stuff not so much Nov 11 15:21:25 Software/applications, right? Nov 11 15:21:39 sure Nov 11 15:22:21 Sysaxed: you might face limitation on what your account may do, during first 5 or 7 days Nov 11 15:22:57 chem|st: ^^^ could you help, just in case? Nov 11 15:24:11 Sysaxed: e.g. you might not be allowed to attach files. include it as [code] then! Nov 11 15:24:52 (hint: extended editor) Nov 11 15:25:06 or was it 'advanced'? Nov 11 15:26:03 DocScrutinizer05: it's python, it doesn't handle whitespace changes too well Nov 11 15:26:18 in [code] ? Nov 11 15:27:08 a lot of BB softwares handle that badly Nov 11 15:27:12 can't recall I'd seen tmo change whitespace in [code] mmm [/code] Nov 11 15:27:58 code tags are pretty much like
Nov 11 15:28:40  anyway in "advanced" you have "preview" as well, so you can tell if it survived
Nov 11 15:28:42  does it add line numbers?
Nov 11 15:28:54  usually copypasting that is awkward
Nov 11 15:30:23  no
Nov 11 15:30:57  it just creates annoying scrollbars here
Nov 11 15:31:20  iirc
Nov 11 15:42:45  https://dl.dropbox.com/u/71236259/2012-11-11-174230_594x468_scrot.png
Nov 11 15:42:46  hahahahah
Nov 11 15:48:55  DocScrutinizer05, I can't attach a .py file and I can't use [code] tags because they screw everything
Nov 11 15:49:05  DocScrutinizer05, what should I do then?
Nov 11 15:50:03  Sysaxed: well, then include the link to dropbox for now, you can edit post later.
Nov 11 15:50:10  ok
Nov 11 15:50:24  omot the http:// since you might not be allowed to use links right now
Nov 11 15:50:28  omit
Nov 11 15:51:13  err
Nov 11 15:51:15  posted
Nov 11 15:51:27  didn't tell me anything about the http://
Nov 11 15:51:40  well, if they show up then fine
Nov 11 15:51:51  URL?
Nov 11 15:51:52  but said that it must be accepted by a mod
Nov 11 15:51:58  see?
Nov 11 15:52:02  that's what I meant
Nov 11 15:52:10  errrr...
Nov 11 15:52:13  chem|st: PING ^^^^
Nov 11 15:52:38  Sysaxed: tmo nick and thread title/URL please!
Nov 11 15:52:50  Sysaxed is a nick
Nov 11 15:52:50  otherwise chem|st can't find your post
Nov 11 15:53:14  and... I can't remember the post title
Nov 11 15:53:23  something about volume keys and shortcuts :D
Nov 11 15:53:50  sysaxed*
Nov 11 15:54:56  DocScrutinizer05, should the process of posting a useful script be that long and complicated?...
Nov 11 15:56:28  it's usually not
Nov 11 15:57:09  it's the process of activating an account that bugs yiu
Nov 11 15:57:14  you*
Nov 11 15:59:07  :)
Nov 11 16:03:09  so that's all what I can do, right?
Nov 11 16:04:22  yep
Nov 11 16:04:50  except 'pestering' chem|st ;-)
Nov 11 16:05:22  if he finds the time to drop by here, he'll solve the issue in no time, I guess
Nov 11 16:06:26 * DocScrutinizer05 moans about council infra and nothing moving regarding proper mail setup etc
Nov 11 16:06:38  so kinda similar situation to yours ;-)
Nov 11 16:10:46  RzR, freemangordon: backup of garage git projects is complete
Nov 11 16:11:05  Pali: good
Nov 11 16:11:09  any more failed?
Nov 11 16:12:03  ???
Nov 11 16:13:01  everything is ok
Nov 11 16:13:11  only empty repositories failed :-)
Nov 11 16:13:39  I'd prefer to see a coordinated backup happening, that's available under a limited small number of addresses
Nov 11 16:14:23  nothing wrong with everybody doing his private backup, but for community we need a centralized process
Nov 11 16:15:32  board and council both are busy to coordinate stuff, please collaborate
Nov 11 16:15:49  (you all seem to show up in "to:" resp "CC."
Nov 11 16:15:51  )
Nov 11 16:17:33  while I'm happy with coordinating things via IRC (mail is kinda slow turnaround and not very effective for some tasks), it seems Ivgalvez decided to kick off stuff via council mail
Nov 11 16:19:33  DocScrutinizer05, wiki would be a better place for that isnt it ?
Nov 11 16:19:56  but wiki id going down too...
Nov 11 16:19:56 <_rd> Hi, does anybody stream the current gps location from the n900 to a server (preferably I would like to do that to my own server)
Nov 11 16:19:59 <_rd> ?
Nov 11 16:20:06  rZr: indeed
Nov 11 16:20:34  DocScrutinizer05, mer's one ?
Nov 11 16:20:54  and it's quite unfortunate when we try to coodinate infra fixes via infra to fix. That's the deadlock here
Nov 11 16:21:23  mer's wiki lives its own isnt it ?
Nov 11 16:21:56  https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/MeeGo#MAEMO_Infrastructure_:
Nov 11 16:22:40  rZr: I've no special preferences here, but any wiki page to list/collect all resources needing backup, status and possibly URL of backups done, plus responsible executive of the backup, would be way better than either slow fuzzy mail or chaotic action on IRC
Nov 11 16:23:18  agrea
Nov 11 16:23:29  i started something on mer wiki 
Nov 11 16:23:54  or you could edit your (MAIN!) tmo thread's first page, but that has the disadvantage that nobody can contribute directly
Nov 11 16:24:41  please close down the secondary thread
Nov 11 16:25:41  maybe rename original main thread to "backup of maemo resources - a community effort" or sth
Nov 11 16:25:55  but for that stupid mer wiki you need edit permission!!!!
Nov 11 16:25:57  i can do that
Nov 11 16:26:04  so I'm not able to edit it
Nov 11 16:26:06  _rd, well, what is the question?
Nov 11 16:26:07  Pali, just create a mer account
Nov 11 16:26:34  Pali's concerns seem reasonable
Nov 11 16:26:34  _rd, unlikely, but there were some apps for tracking your phone...
Nov 11 16:29:06  how about dedicated irc channel for coordinating this stuff, set channel to +m and give +v to users doing the shit, others can follow and post kazillion threads with logs to anywhere they like?
Nov 11 16:29:31  Skry: won't work
Nov 11 16:29:40  just an idea
Nov 11 16:29:47  Skry: I'll not go into why it won't, now
Nov 11 16:30:26  this channel is not overload yet
Nov 11 16:30:33  just that much: dedicated IRC channels are fine for long term projects with a low number of dedicated people
Nov 11 16:30:55  hm wall of text, I'm not going to read it all, but regarding my highlights, DocScrutinizer05 yes  I did finsih the wiki clone (just now)
Nov 11 16:30:58  and irc is kinda volatile
Nov 11 16:31:15  merlin1991: cool stuff
Nov 11 16:31:20  merlin1991: thanks a lot!
Nov 11 16:33:06  rZr: for now I'd prefer you to clode down secondary thread, possibly rename primary thred to reflect the more general nature (as suggested above), then frequently read latest posts by other contributing community members and edit first post to reflect all the gathered info
Nov 11 16:33:17  close*
Nov 11 16:34:00  chem|st: pingpingpongping
Nov 11 16:34:13  chem|st: request to merge threads!
Nov 11 16:34:36  DocScrutinizer05, i can do that but i prefer to keep it open untill an archive file of wiki to be released
Nov 11 16:34:56  rZr: wiki is just one resource
Nov 11 16:35:33  rZr: the idea is to have ONE thred dealing with, well... what I posted above - *all* resource backup tasks and issues going on
Nov 11 16:36:05  wiki is nothing special
Nov 11 16:36:14  so why a separate thread for it?
Nov 11 16:36:34  because it harder to grab
Nov 11 16:36:45  rZr: btw merlin1991 just confirmed we have an archive of wiki
Nov 11 16:37:00  I agree with Doc, having multiple threads for the same matter is nonsense and confusing.
Nov 11 16:37:15  no, it's harder to find your way thru several concurrent basically overlapping threads
Nov 11 16:37:24  Skry: indeed
Nov 11 16:37:40  merlin1991, can you release it ? at http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/maemo.merlin1991.at/ /
Nov 11 16:37:55  it's already a PITA to coordinate all this on tmo at all
Nov 11 16:38:31  rZr: it will be available at maemo.merlin.at
Nov 11 16:38:57  eventually wedrop.it will sync
Nov 11 16:39:00  DocScrutinizer05: how do you know that? I might go rogue and keep it for myself ;)
Nov 11 16:39:07  haha
Nov 11 16:39:20  hm I need copyright text from the wiki
Nov 11 16:39:28  can't put the stuff up there without the original copyright
Nov 11 16:39:36  hmmfff
Nov 11 16:39:50  ok
Nov 11 16:40:13  there has to be some page along the lines of "all submitted content falls under THIS license"
Nov 11 16:40:27  look special-pages
Nov 11 16:40:34  might have sth
Nov 11 16:40:43  or /main
Nov 11 16:42:16  hah can't even log in on the wiki currently
Nov 11 16:42:58  any news?
Nov 11 16:43:28  DocScrutinizer05: it has a all content CC link on the bottom
Nov 11 16:43:56  yep, now that you mention it, I recall seeing it
Nov 11 16:44:14  teotwaki: well, panicking mode not really getting better
Nov 11 16:44:59  why?
Nov 11 16:46:01  teotwaki: could you edit your post http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1293000&postcount=11 to more clearly state what exactly got mirrored - yes I know there are all the pathnames/URLs but it's not that obvious what's in and what's out
Nov 11 16:46:36  DocScrutinizer05: I can dump all the directories, if you want :P
Nov 11 16:48:49  nah, more like "this is a mirror containing all fremantle repos, the diablo, chinook, bla bla... It does *miss* the following resources we'd like to have as well but were not able to get: X, Y, ... And we omitted R (reason: bla), S (reason:blub), T (rationale), on purpose"
Nov 11 16:49:33  and maybe simply state what's the apt-mirror config file
Nov 11 16:49:46  even pst that very file
Nov 11 16:51:36 <_rd> Sysaxed, there is azimuth, transfering the data over XMPP using the location extension XEP-0080. But I did not find a single PC client supporting that protocol flawless.
Nov 11 16:52:05 <_rd> Otherwise that would be a very elegant solution, in particular with a XEP-0080 logger on the server side.
Nov 11 16:52:35  _rd, just write a simple script that takes data from gps and takes it to the url you specify?
Nov 11 16:54:00   teotwaki: could you edit your post http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1293000&postcount=11 to more clearly state what exactly got mirrored - yes I know there are all the pathnames/URLs but it's not that obvious what's in and what's out
Nov 11 16:54:08 <_rd> yap, do you have a starting point for the script ? ...or better the interface. Is there a dbus interface?
Nov 11 16:54:16  why not use wiki.merproject.org/wiki/MeeGo only ?
Nov 11 16:54:25  _rd, http://maemo.org/packages/view/gps-data-logger/
Nov 11 16:54:36  _rd, this package should probably write data to a file
Nov 11 16:55:11  what the hell is nyud.net?
Nov 11 16:55:40 <_rd> Sysaxed, thanks I take this as starting point.
Nov 11 16:56:08  teotwaki, i added it
Nov 11 16:56:14  this is a p2p cache
Nov 11 16:56:20  ?
Nov 11 16:56:26  to not steal all your bandwidth 
Nov 11 16:56:27  So, you add a cache, but not the main server?
Nov 11 16:56:35  _rd, and you'd probably want to encrypt it some way in order to prevent others getting to the same url and spamming
Nov 11 16:56:36  rZr: I have unlimited bandwidth, don't worry.
Nov 11 16:56:53  unlimited does not exist in this world
Nov 11 16:57:21  rZr: one of my clients is the biggest backbone provider in Europe.
Nov 11 16:57:30  _rd, dunno if previous message got to you, cause I was disconnected, but it's quite simply - take data from the file and send it to your server
Nov 11 16:57:43  simple*
Nov 11 16:57:53  rZr: nobody has an account on wiki.merproject.org/wiki/MeeGo
Nov 11 16:58:18  DocScrutinizer05, this is the time for
Nov 11 16:58:23  chem|st, bzzz! bzzz!
Nov 11 16:59:36  rZr: please don't complicate things
Nov 11 17:00:19  DocScrutinizer05, well i let you manage then
Nov 11 17:00:30  i will be over busy this week then
Nov 11 17:00:39  can anybody help me? CloudGPS says "gps has no fix". why?
Nov 11 17:00:49  multiple threads, multiple locations: complicates coordination. adding caches: complicates stuff. Suggesting new stuff without checking back first: complicates getting stuff straight again
Nov 11 17:00:54  and gives me a wrong location... well, a right one, but with 100 meters error
Nov 11 17:01:22  rZr/DocScrutinizer05 http://maemo.merlin1991.at/wiki_2012_11_11.7z and http://maemo.merlin1991.at/wiki_with_history_2012_11_11.7z
Nov 11 17:01:31  great
Nov 11 17:02:02  teotwaki, ^ announce this to the wiki thread and i close it ?
Nov 11 17:02:05  rZr: you started those threads, I'm busy as well helping to manage the backfire
Nov 11 17:02:08  once mirrored
Nov 11 17:02:52  DocScrutinizer05, let me appology then , but at least we have something safer now
Nov 11 17:03:10  rZr: you should merge that wiki thread into the general resources thread, then close it anyway. No matter if merlin1991 publishes some URL or not
Nov 11 17:04:06  rZr: and why would teotwaki announce anything about that?
Nov 11 17:04:08  merlin1991: 90MB in all?
Nov 11 17:04:38  yep
Nov 11 17:04:42  you should edit your #1 post http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1292955&postcount=1 to post it
Nov 11 17:04:57  0f0177a6097bfed7fc20dc499a42386a  wiki/wiki_2012_11_11.7z
Nov 11 17:04:57  043bbd4f9b917add0c5d61e953ac8918  wiki/wiki_with_history_2012_11_11.7z
Nov 11 17:05:09  ah yeah md5sums
Nov 11 17:05:21  teotwaki: it compressed down to that from 1.5 gb :D
Nov 11 17:05:31  all hail verbose xml
Nov 11 17:05:33  merlin1991: how do I make it "accessible"?
Nov 11 17:05:35  hold on
Nov 11 17:05:42  bbl
Nov 11 17:05:47  merlin1991, 7z magic : 3
Nov 11 17:06:34  DocScrutinizer05: what are your thoughts on the wiki stuff? Should I mirror it also?
Nov 11 17:07:21  teotwaki: well it is an xml file + license + the image files in an archive, you'd need a running mediawiki where you import all the fun stuff
Nov 11 17:07:46  meh, not bothering with that
Nov 11 17:08:31  what about wiki in git? 
Nov 11 17:08:33  merlin1991: can you run a cron job that creates those dumps on a weekly basis?
Nov 11 17:08:39  in future?
Nov 11 17:09:22  Pali: try creating a 1.5GB repository on gitorious.org, and you'll be banned faster than you can say "available"
Nov 11 17:09:41  some wiki in git will be easy to backup :-)
Nov 11 17:09:55  rZr: please set up a table in http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1292955&postcount=1: 
Nov 11 17:09:57  Resource(abstract) | resource-URL | status | backup-location(URL) | responsible member(IRC nick, tmo nick...)
Nov 11 17:09:58  wiki.maemo.org | http:wiki.maemo.org | XML backup complete | http:maemo.merlin1991.at/wiki.... | (IRC) merlin1991
Nov 11 17:10:11  teotwaki: sure, mirror that as well
Nov 11 17:10:23  DocScrutinizer05: done, http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/wiki
Nov 11 17:10:43  teotwaki: hm yeah
Nov 11 17:10:46  I'd prefer to keep everything in your location, as primary mirror (doesn't mean others have to go down)
Nov 11 17:10:48  need to write a script then though
Nov 11 17:11:11  +1 for the cronjob
Nov 11 17:11:22  DocScrutinizer05, sorry i am busy , can you edit maemo wiki then , i'll update it
Nov 11 17:11:22  then I'll have to move the stuff into a folder though :P
Nov 11 17:12:56  rZr: nobody but you can edit your #1 post, and wiki.maemo.org is defect
Nov 11 17:13:35  so pretty please, you started that thread, now maintain it
Nov 11 17:13:59  DocScrutinizer05, i can paste your data , but this is not efficient
Nov 11 17:14:32  I know it's not efficient, but we have no other method available ATM that would have a chance to work
Nov 11 17:15:29  https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/MeeGo#MAEMO_Infrastructure_:
Nov 11 17:15:34  i updated that one
Nov 11 17:15:48  and will update post #1 as requested
Nov 11 17:16:44  well, if you think it's less effort to sync a tmo thread and a page on mer-wiki, then go ahead
Nov 11 17:17:21  I think it's as bad an idea as are two concurrent threads for one effort
Nov 11 17:17:43  i can understand
Nov 11 17:17:51  but 1st I wanted a wiki copy
Nov 11 17:17:59  then pple were talking about other things 
Nov 11 17:18:00  I'm not able to follow 2 or even 3 locations to keep up to date about what's going on
Nov 11 17:18:06  so i created a general thread
Nov 11 17:18:36  well sorry I wish I would be hired by nokia to keep this on the regular locations
Nov 11 17:18:58  the effort's name: community effort to backup maemo resources
Nov 11 17:19:09  needs ONe place to coordinate stuff
Nov 11 17:19:33  we need for it wiki
Nov 11 17:19:37  alas wiki.maemo.org is down
Nov 11 17:19:40  but editable wiki
Nov 11 17:19:41  basically
Nov 11 17:19:55  should I power on some wiki?
Nov 11 17:20:06  Skry: hm can we automate the gathering of the pages?
Nov 11 17:20:08  Pali: diversification
Nov 11 17:20:33  because otherwise the cronjob will only catch edits but not new pages
Nov 11 17:20:33  so I'd think we don't need a 4th place to coordinate stuff
Nov 11 17:20:44  ok
Nov 11 17:20:50  so what use?
Nov 11 17:21:38  post to http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=87815 " backup of maemo resources - a community effort , keep zen no panic ...", rZr supposed to summarize stuff in post#1
Nov 11 17:23:03  like >>I did another backup of X, please add to table the following info: $resource|$resURL|$status|....<<
Nov 11 17:24:08  if wiki.maemo.org would work, I'd suggest to keep that table there, but since it's not....
Nov 11 17:24:29  there are couple of candidates alternates wiki
Nov 11 17:24:36  mer, tizen and elinux
Nov 11 17:25:08  merlin1991: don't see why not?
Nov 11 17:25:09  merlin1991: there's 'new pages' in 'special:'
Nov 11 17:25:52  you also could wget the shit from 'all-pages:(main)' by double dereference
Nov 11 17:26:02  Skry: well I can't automate what you did on your machine, after all it's black box for me, that threw a txt file at me :D
Nov 11 17:26:49  rZr: nobody going to use those alternative wiki since they are neither maemo related nor anybody has edit rights, as a consequence to aformentioned point
Nov 11 17:27:27  DocScrutinizer05: was there any single page from where one could get all pages?
Nov 11 17:27:39  nope
Nov 11 17:28:01  you have like 8 'root' pages
Nov 11 17:28:31  sorry guys I can't stay here any longer, RL calling
Nov 11 17:28:34  bbl
Nov 11 17:29:02  ok, so it would just be best to wget the whole wiki (limit the recursive properly) and then do the grep/sed stuff
Nov 11 17:29:39  merlin1991: ^
Nov 11 17:29:45  you'll get 100 times the real amount, due to all the special pages linked from each true page
Nov 11 17:30:18  DocScrutinizer05: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1293065#post1293065
Nov 11 17:30:20  'history', 'edit', 'talk', whatnot
Nov 11 17:31:16  teotwaki: >> The mirror contains the full debian packages and sources archive for: - Community SSU (thumb and devel) << which one?
Nov 11 17:31:38  yeah, I know that, that's why I mentioned we should limit the recursion somehow, perhaps we could do full clone once and "manually" sort out the urls we actually need to wget from script to get everything related.
Nov 11 17:31:40  well, nm
Nov 11 17:31:41  merlin1991: ^
Nov 11 17:32:52  teotwaki: you have everything, cssu stable cssu testing cssu thumb, and the not really cssu devel repo
Nov 11 17:32:56  Skry: nope, the way is to wget the 8some 'root' pages, get the URLs out of them, and wget again with those
Nov 11 17:33:05  maybe do a second time
Nov 11 17:33:46  all wgets without recursive
Nov 11 17:34:02  well, that's about what I did but did it manually
Nov 11 17:34:03  or maximum one recursion
Nov 11 17:34:10  exactly
Nov 11 17:34:28  nevertheless, o/
Nov 11 17:34:47  o/
Nov 11 17:34:57  I'll take a look at this later today
Nov 11 17:36:34  DocScrutinizer05, RL calling? change profile to silent :D
Nov 11 17:38:04  bah digia is promtoing apple products as use case http://blog.qt.digia.com/blog/2012/10/30/cleaning-up-styles-in-qt5-and-adding-fusion/ (search for retina (that's not even a vaild thing) display)
Nov 11 17:43:59  teotwaki: thanks again, pal!
Nov 11 17:57:37 <_rd> Sysaxed2, many thanks, I might do some simple as scp, that should be enough encryption.
Nov 11 17:59:03  _rd, good to hear :) It will be great if you came back to tell the results when it's ready
Nov 11 17:59:13  because it's something I will need too
Nov 11 18:00:14  chem|st, bzzzz! BZZZZ!!!
Nov 11 18:00:51 <_rd> I still think best would be to have a short XMPP script and use azimuth, but writting the xmpp script is not trivial, and there is little activity in telepathy-gabble right now.
Nov 11 18:01:16 <_rd> ...if I would be a good python code, I might be able to do that, but unfortunately I am now.
Nov 11 18:02:02  python is quite easy
Nov 11 18:02:34  just go and try it :)
Nov 11 18:24:40  python is actually kinda tricky to get right
Nov 11 18:33:39  does anybody know how can I detect which keyset is compatible with my tv?
Nov 11 18:33:52  in pierogi
Nov 11 18:34:12  I've tried search panel, but it searches only the "power button"
Nov 11 18:34:17  any way to choose another button to search?
Nov 11 18:36:08  why would u want to?
Nov 11 18:36:14  if the power button works, then u know u got iot
Nov 11 18:36:14  it
Nov 11 18:36:48  really? O_o
Nov 11 18:36:58  yeah
Nov 11 18:37:01  ?
Nov 11 18:37:09  more like, if the power button works, you're on a right track
Nov 11 18:37:24  oh :o
Nov 11 18:37:35  well, my tv turned of in the first 2-3 seconds of the search
Nov 11 18:37:36 * Snafu777 scratches his head
Nov 11 18:38:05  so I thought that many tvs share the same power button preset
Nov 11 18:38:11  off*
Nov 11 18:38:22  ok, gonna do some more tests
Nov 11 18:39:44  usually power button is the same for many models from one particular manufacturer, so if it works, probably other buttons work too but you may have some buttons wrong and some not recognized etc
Nov 11 18:40:08  hmm, trying it out on my microlab speakers
Nov 11 18:40:19  while searching it did change the volume up and down
Nov 11 18:40:30  but didn't power off.. wtf...
Nov 11 18:40:56  AHA
Nov 11 18:40:59  HERE IT IS
Nov 11 18:43:56  well, not really
Nov 11 18:44:03  but yeah, I got it
Nov 11 18:44:24  thanks
Nov 11 18:49:02  Anyone here interested in a working version of dhcp3-server, curl, ngrep, or proxychains for their N900?
Nov 11 18:49:08 <_rd> Sysaxed2, I did try, but failed. Have a look here, maybe you are more successful than I was: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/telepathy/2012-October/006265.html
Nov 11 18:50:23  _rd, what is this thing about?
Nov 11 18:50:51  I mean.. what are you trying to achieve currently?
Nov 11 18:51:13  i cant believe nobody is interested....?
Nov 11 18:51:25  I thought this place was full of tinkerers...  and Hackers...
Nov 11 18:52:27 <_rd> It logs gps information, which may be transfered via jabber.
Nov 11 18:52:34 <_rd> on the n900 side there is the n900.
Nov 11 18:53:02  Snafu777: I have "normal" linux on my N900 incase i need to do tinkering / hacking / anything else but calling or playing music.
Nov 11 18:53:11  Snafu777: i thought that kind of thing already worked
Nov 11 18:53:16  Nope
Nov 11 18:53:18  Try it
Nov 11 18:53:19  =)
Nov 11 18:53:31  first of all, to do dhcp you should use dnsmasq
Nov 11 18:53:31  As far as I know, im one of the few who have it working, if not the only one
Nov 11 18:53:34  it's already running, for instance
Nov 11 18:53:36  bleh
Nov 11 18:53:44  not for doing evil ap type stuff
Nov 11 18:53:44  curl is also working perfectly for me
Nov 11 18:53:52  which version of maemo are u using?
Nov 11 18:54:06  what does that mean?
Nov 11 18:54:08  because i tried and tried, couldnt get it to work
Nov 11 18:54:13  um
Nov 11 18:54:17  4.1, 5.0?
Nov 11 18:54:25  oh, you mean *that* kind of version
Nov 11 18:54:30  Which repos are u pullin from
Nov 11 18:54:32  the n900 only runs fremantle
Nov 11 18:54:36  so maemo 5 :)
Nov 11 18:54:39  okay
Nov 11 18:54:45  Well
Nov 11 18:54:51  I pulled curl together from 4.1 and 5.0
Nov 11 18:54:57  curl 7.26.0-1maemo1+0cssu1+thumb1
Nov 11 18:55:01  because apt-get install curl doesnt do jack
Nov 11 18:55:12  purge it, and try to reinstall?
Nov 11 18:55:21 <_rd> Sysaxed2, I try to get GPS information logged.
Nov 11 18:55:28  curl is in extras-devel i believe
Nov 11 18:55:29  apt-cache show it, and tell me the repo yer grabbin from? im guessing extras-devel?
Nov 11 18:55:30  _rd, yep, I see
Nov 11 18:55:39  cssu-testing ships a more recent version, too
Nov 11 18:55:40  _rd, try this page? http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo/Using_Location_API
Nov 11 18:55:44 <_rd> right now I try to transfer the file of gpslogger via scp.
Nov 11 18:56:00  so how bout ngrep?
Nov 11 18:56:02  ah
Nov 11 18:56:24 <_rd> the nice thing with that script is that it uses xmpp, i.e. all the authentification, encryption, etc. stuff is solved. It is even cross platform.
Nov 11 18:56:45 <_rd> But that requires to have the python script working.
Nov 11 18:56:46  Snafu777: i think it's just a matter of compiling it correctly \_o_/
Nov 11 18:56:55  compiling an apt-get?
Nov 11 18:56:58  nmap is also badly botched i think
Nov 11 18:57:04  nmap works fine =)
Nov 11 18:57:12  not the one on the repos, last time i heard
Nov 11 18:57:19  not the most recent one
Nov 11 18:57:55  so... become the maintainer and start making good packages
Nov 11 18:57:59  downgrade to 5.50-2
Nov 11 18:58:21  _rd, I don't get it. There's a command line utility called 'scp', right? So you have an app that logs the data.. then just run scp command once to transfer the file and you're done.
Nov 11 18:58:30  I'd love to be a maintainer of various stuff for the n900
Nov 11 18:59:07  I've been tinkering with this thing since i got it at DefCon this past july/august
Nov 11 19:00:19  Since then, ive made it my mission to make the N900 the best it can be....
Nov 11 19:00:29 <_rd> Sysaxed2, yes that is my fallback solution. Nice thing is that it does not rely on a third party server, bad thing is that it essentially requires having an ssh key on my phone which allows to login to my server.
Nov 11 19:00:46  I've gotten dhcp3-server working on it, which was a big deal because now u can run an evil access point with the n900, which makes for interesting pentest scenarios
Nov 11 19:00:58 <_rd> but right now I am looking on the fallback solution.
Nov 11 19:01:09  _rd, then don't use scp?
Nov 11 19:01:13 <_rd> The more advanced one is then for a later time.
Nov 11 19:01:20  Snafu777: why do you need such a particular dhcp server?
Nov 11 19:01:26  _rd: rsync?
Nov 11 19:01:33  It makes dishing out IP addressess the easiest
Nov 11 19:01:39  its highly configurable
Nov 11 19:01:44  _rd, as I can see the only good solution is to encrypt the data on the phone with the public key and then decode it on the server with private key
Nov 11 19:01:45  and it just "works" well
Nov 11 19:01:49  isn't dnsmasq or... (apt-cache search dhcp) udhcpd good enough?
Nov 11 19:01:50  compared to udhcpd
Nov 11 19:01:54  k
Nov 11 19:02:11  Sysaxed2: don't use public key encryption for large chunks.
Nov 11 19:02:13  wow, didnt know that many were available
Nov 11 19:02:25  but dhcpd is used on laptops more often than not for what I do
Nov 11 19:02:28  teotwaki, large chunks? it's just some gps data! Shouldn't be that large
Nov 11 19:02:29  See, I pentest =-)
Nov 11 19:02:51  and PenTesting with a phone for 802.11 is MUCH less noticable than pulling out a laptop
Nov 11 19:03:09  Sysaxed2: generate a symmetric key, encrypt the data using the symmetric key, send the data, encrypt the symmetric key with your public key, send the encrypted encryption key.
Nov 11 19:03:14  A lot of the scripts I use within backtrack on my laptop, I have been porting over to the N900
Nov 11 19:03:17  Snafu777: the n900 can't do hostAP though
Nov 11 19:03:25 <_rd> thanks Sysaxed2
Nov 11 19:03:26  whatcha mean hostAP?
Nov 11 19:03:33  U mean act as an access point?
Nov 11 19:03:40  users can probably notice that they're connecting to an adhoc wifi network
Nov 11 19:03:46  Aint adhoc bro
Nov 11 19:03:49  Access Point
Nov 11 19:03:57  ...the n900 can't do hostAP
Nov 11 19:04:12  kerio, oh, it can't? damn :O
Nov 11 19:04:31  svn checkout http://n900-stuff.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/EvilAP EvilAP
Nov 11 19:04:33  I always thought that it can
Nov 11 19:04:34  The hell it cant
Nov 11 19:04:54  Now, I havent added in the capability to forward packets to the sim card yet
Nov 11 19:04:59  I just wanted a working version
Nov 11 19:05:12  how to install Ubuntu on N900 using Fedora OS?
Nov 11 19:05:15  _rd, the whole script should be quite simple, just about 10 lines of code max
Nov 11 19:05:29  It will work, I just havent added it yet, as it takes a little bit of time
Nov 11 19:05:38  _rd, take the file, encrypt, send. done :)
Nov 11 19:05:42  Ew
Nov 11 19:05:57  _rd, oh, you'd have to keep track what was sent already... but that part is not that hard
Nov 11 19:05:59  If u run the install script
Nov 11 19:06:07  U need to have pwnphone on yer phone =)
Nov 11 19:06:50  if u dont have pwnphone
Nov 11 19:06:51  why would i want a bundle of opensource software sold for $995?
Nov 11 19:06:59  Um
Nov 11 19:07:17  Buy an N900 for like $300 and install it yerself?
Nov 11 19:07:19  Like me?
Nov 11 19:07:30  And that bundle is impressive, just so ya know
Nov 11 19:07:39  ooh, 995 also gives you a n900
Nov 11 19:08:00  Its free dude, if u already have an n900
Nov 11 19:08:22  the Price is meant for people who dont have an n900 and dont want to take the time to install it themselves
Nov 11 19:08:27  as it does require nix knowledge
Nov 11 19:08:56  But back to the main pt of the convo, yes u can make the N900 into an Access Point
Nov 11 19:09:14  to do so requires a reliable and configurable dhcp server
Nov 11 19:09:21  and thats where dhcpd comes in =)
Nov 11 19:09:44  dude, dnsmasq is preinstalled
Nov 11 19:09:51  and you have to push some fucking IP addresses
Nov 11 19:10:07  push an ip address?
Nov 11 19:10:16  what do you think a dhcp server does?
Nov 11 19:10:27 * Snafu777 are u seriously asking me?
Nov 11 19:10:35  Dude, im a fuckin hacker....Really?
Nov 11 19:10:50  Yes i know what a dhcp server does
Nov 11 19:11:23  what are the advantages of dhcp3-server over udhcpd or dnsmasq then?
Nov 11 19:11:47  Okay, for starters, udhcpd doesnt log given ips properly
Nov 11 19:12:05  dhcp3-server is widely known in the pentesting community
Nov 11 19:12:19  dhcp3-server can handle  multiple subnets
Nov 11 19:12:38  dhcp3-server is the defacto dhcp server for 98.2% of all PenTesting scripts
Nov 11 19:12:44  I made that % up btw
Nov 11 19:13:00  but look at any "GOOD" pentesting script that dishes out an IP
Nov 11 19:13:04  and u will find dhcpd
Nov 11 19:13:08  Not anything else
Nov 11 19:13:45  dnsmasq might be "good" but its not used in the pentesting world to my knowledge...
Nov 11 19:15:25  I mean heck....This is from the page of dnsmasq itself: It is designed to provide DNS and, optionally, DHCP, to a small network.
Nov 11 19:15:30  See the optionally part?
Nov 11 19:15:35  dhcp was an afterthought
Nov 11 19:15:38  DNS is the primary part
Nov 11 19:19:49  kerio?
Nov 11 19:20:21  So something being optional automaticly make it a poor option? it does what it promises very well, is widely used, proven choice. Wether it is an afterthought or not is as irrelevant, as is the optionality of feature X.
Nov 11 19:21:05  Nice point Skry
Nov 11 19:21:20  But.... For instance, do you have a dhcp server that u use for the n900?
Nov 11 19:21:26  If so, why?
Nov 11 19:23:37  ?
Nov 11 19:28:17  I have no use for dhcp server on my n900. If I need to share the connection, I'll just use mobilehotspot.
Nov 11 19:29:50  Snafu777: i've personally used the N900 as a dhcp server using the built-in dnsmasq. no issues whatsoever. 
Nov 11 19:31:15  Sicelo, what did u use it for? the dhcp server
Nov 11 19:31:21  Also, I find it quite questionable to rely on n900 as ap/router/whatever on networks/subnets that large you'll have to have something that scales that much
Nov 11 19:31:26  Pali: setting the charging mode to "none" will permanently disable any charging, right?
Nov 11 19:31:42  yes
Nov 11 19:32:37  Snafu777: to quote, "push an ip address", lol
Nov 11 19:33:16  Pali: hmm, are the paths in /sys/class/power_supply/ always the same?
Nov 11 19:33:18  omg
Nov 11 19:33:26  this confuses the shit out of me
Nov 11 19:33:28  kerio, yes
Nov 11 19:33:43  (in kp52 will be change)
Nov 11 19:33:44  So here we go, does anyone in this chan, HACK with their n900?
Nov 11 19:33:58  because this is like talking to a bunch of computer programmers....
Nov 11 19:34:01  The disconnect here
Nov 11 19:34:02  define 'HACK'
Nov 11 19:34:15  Pentest
Nov 11 19:34:49  Snafu777: just look at tmo .. pentesting was being done probably before you had your N900
Nov 11 19:34:51  Perform Penetration Testing of an Organization 
Nov 11 19:35:04  tmo?
Nov 11 19:35:36  Snafu777:  ^H^H^H^H I don't think a hacker is somebody doing pentests
Nov 11 19:35:53  we hackers call such people script kiddies usually
Nov 11 19:36:55  Pali: when does your hald-addon-bme cause a shutdown due to low battery?
Nov 11 19:36:59  unless they're doing serious professional business, when they are called pentesters
Nov 11 19:37:07  Actually I refer to a hacker by the MIT definition from its model railroad club
Nov 11 19:37:16  kerio, when EDVF is set
Nov 11 19:37:25  snafu777. many thing you can do with backtrack, you can also do with maemo
Nov 11 19:37:43  maemo lacks some functions
Nov 11 19:37:44  Pali: so you should be able to drop to EDV1 and wait for bq27k to notice it
Nov 11 19:37:57  but thats why im hackin stuff together, to make it work, and push it out to people
Nov 11 19:38:00  Snafu777: like what? :o
Nov 11 19:38:03  ngrep
Nov 11 19:38:05  u got it?
Nov 11 19:38:10  kerio, when EDV1 is set then battery is too low
Nov 11 19:38:20  it sent dbus meesage to all apps
Nov 11 19:38:33  Pali: you said EDVF
Nov 11 19:38:34  so status menu widget will show battery low message
Nov 11 19:38:40  Snafu777: you bore me
Nov 11 19:38:41  oh, i see
Nov 11 19:38:47  teotwaki: +1
Nov 11 19:38:48  "low battery" at EDV1, shutdown at EDVF
Nov 11 19:38:50  kerio, u got ngrep?
Nov 11 19:38:59  when EDVF is set then if tell DSME to turn off phone
Nov 11 19:38:59  Im glad i bore u
Nov 11 19:39:03  whoopie for u
Nov 11 19:39:36  the fact that some of you people in here dont do what u can do with the n900 is saddening
Nov 11 19:39:46  the fact that u dont push the n900 to do what it can do is heartbreaking
Nov 11 19:39:55  Snafu777: the fact you believe you've invented warm water is saddening.
Nov 11 19:40:00  goddammit, i thought people like this didn't actually exist
Nov 11 19:40:03  real hacker! shy, humble, savvy, and never offensive
Nov 11 19:40:06  LOL
Nov 11 19:40:16  :D:D:D
Nov 11 19:40:17  is that the MIT definition?
Nov 11 19:40:28  nice chat here I see
Nov 11 19:40:28  nah
Nov 11 19:40:32  Ya know what? I dont really care wtf u think
Nov 11 19:40:36  I know im doin good work
Nov 11 19:40:41  cool
Nov 11 19:40:48  well, you keep patting yourself on the back
Nov 11 19:40:53  and like i said, if u want ngrep, or proxychains, or curl, etc....  talk to me
Nov 11 19:40:57  I know you're kinda spoiling this channel
Nov 11 19:40:59  Okay teotwaki
Nov 11 19:41:05  Make proxychains work
Nov 11 19:41:06  plz
Nov 11 19:41:12  If i suck so much
Nov 11 19:41:15  Show me i do
Nov 11 19:41:19  cuz I got it working, can u?
Nov 11 19:41:25  if not, then why talkt rash to me?
Nov 11 19:41:28  Snafu777: ok, you got the longest
Nov 11 19:41:38  i'm not exactly sure doing ./configure && make && make install is such a l33t thing to do
Nov 11 19:41:45  now that we all know about that important fact, can we pelase stop this BS?
Nov 11 19:41:47  Oh yeha? that easy right?
Nov 11 19:41:56  ./configure && make && make install
Nov 11 19:42:04  if it was that simple, do u think i would bring it up?
Nov 11 19:42:08  Seriosuly?
Nov 11 19:42:32  Snafu777: I don't have anything to prove to you
Nov 11 19:42:38  And neither do I to u
Nov 11 19:42:38  Snafu777: 1st warning, general style, offensiveness, spamming, speech
Nov 11 19:42:46  Yah know what, Fuck off
Nov 11 19:42:47  Snafu777: now either bring something interesting to the conversation
Nov 11 19:42:51  Snafu777: or leave
Nov 11 19:43:31  Pali: there are no individual files for registers in bq27x00_battery :(
Nov 11 19:43:32   You can all go fuck yourselves, I hope yer fuckin maemo bullshit dies
Nov 11 19:43:44  kerio, and what?
Nov 11 19:43:50  that's a clear ban already
Nov 11 19:43:53  and i has a sad :(
Nov 11 19:43:55  teotwaki: ^^^
Nov 11 19:44:04  well
Nov 11 19:44:08  he didn't do it on the channel
Nov 11 19:44:12  Pali: people want individual files for flags!
Nov 11 19:44:13  no reason to ban him from it
Nov 11 19:44:17  kerio, I did not see any patch in my mailbox
Nov 11 19:44:39  Pali: but... i don't know anything about kernel programming! :(
Nov 11 19:44:50  and I do not have time
Nov 11 19:45:09  Pali: any cluse if GSList is thread safe?
Nov 11 19:45:12  *clue
Nov 11 19:45:29  I never used that
Nov 11 19:45:44  but I think no
Nov 11 19:45:57  ok, seems like that
Nov 11 19:46:13  many (or all) functions are not thread safe and some of them are reentrant
Nov 11 19:46:24  with _r suffix
Nov 11 19:46:49  sad
Nov 11 19:47:40  hmm, it is something else, info threads results in only one thread :(
Nov 11 19:47:49  in gdb that is
Nov 11 19:49:12  [2012-11-11 20:47:23]  You can ban me if ya want you fuckin twit, keep talkin shit to the wrong motherfucker and one day you wont like the damn consequences, when u meet the motherfucker who just might pwn yer stupid ass for talking down to them.  You stupid fuckin little twit
Nov 11 19:49:24  epic
Nov 11 19:49:41  [2012-11-11 20:48:49]  Oh threatening me now eh?  Ill slap the dogshit out of you.
Nov 11 19:49:52  Pali: a
Nov 11 19:49:56  whoops
Nov 11 19:49:59  well, the guy seems high
Nov 11 19:50:03  Pali: is time_to_* in seconds?
Nov 11 19:50:16  yes
Nov 11 19:51:20  [2012-11-11 20:51:03] [CTCP] Received CTCP-PING request from Snafu777, sending answer.
Nov 11 19:51:44  DocScrutinizer05, what a day
Nov 11 19:51:55  DocScrutinizer05: talk about it with the freenode staff
Nov 11 19:52:07  DocScrutinizer05 & kerio: done, he's been reported
Nov 11 19:52:16  they dislike assholes, usually
Nov 11 19:52:18  teotwaki: thanks
Nov 11 19:53:04  DocScrutinizer05: just /ignore him and don't reply, I didn't rely to his childish PM, he gave up.
Nov 11 19:53:11  reply**
Nov 11 19:53:19  :nod:
Nov 11 19:53:20  (p key is failing on this laptop)
Nov 11 19:54:39 * ShadowJK once had a script, that automatically put people he banned on ignore
Nov 11 19:55:03  ShadowJK: which is a great way to be an abusive op, and not notice it.
Nov 11 19:55:19  not implying you were abusive or anything, just that I have a tendency to be.
Nov 11 19:55:26  :)
Nov 11 19:55:29  fun part: nobody banned him (today)
Nov 11 19:55:35  not yesterday either
Nov 11 19:55:39  he got kicked, is all
Nov 11 19:55:43  yep
Nov 11 19:55:55  lol
Nov 11 19:55:56  he's even registered, amazing
Nov 11 19:55:59  cloaked
Nov 11 19:56:46  too much angeldust I guess
Nov 11 19:57:09  or crack
Nov 11 19:59:05  ~pali
Nov 11 19:59:13  ...where's infobot?
Nov 11 19:59:18  hmm
Nov 11 19:59:26  [20:54:11] <-- infobot (~infobot@rikers.org) has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
Nov 11 20:00:51  Pali: wtf is isp1704_charger? :O
Nov 11 20:01:10  fastcharger detection
Nov 11 20:01:25  in maemo kernel it is part of musb driver
Nov 11 20:01:30  oic
Nov 11 20:01:39  in upstream kernel it is separate kernel module
Nov 11 20:01:51  can i enable boost mode while the wallcharger is connected?
Nov 11 20:02:11  kerio, you can everything
Nov 11 20:02:21  i mean without blowing anything up
Nov 11 20:02:48  bq2415x_charger allow you to do want you want
Nov 11 20:03:01  hm, boost mode doesn't use a lot more current, apparently
Nov 11 20:03:11  without anything connected, i mean
Nov 11 20:03:25  ...which makes sense
Nov 11 20:03:35  Pali: thanks
Nov 11 20:03:41  Pali: seems server down
Nov 11 20:03:54  Pali: hm, what turns on the blue led during boost mode?
Nov 11 20:04:00  does the kernel module talk directly to mce?
Nov 11 20:04:10  DocScrutinizer05, what?
Nov 11 20:04:18  Pali: ibot
Nov 11 20:04:23  ok
Nov 11 20:04:34  kerio, HW
Nov 11 20:04:43  no
Nov 11 20:04:48  hald-addon-bme
Nov 11 20:04:53  or usbmode.sh
Nov 11 20:04:56  via mce
Nov 11 20:04:58  i see
Nov 11 20:05:11  well, if hald-addon-bme can do that, then usbmode.sh doesn't really have to worry about it
Nov 11 20:05:33  i'm testing my new and improved bq27k calibration script
Nov 11 20:06:24  kerio: Can it be used with Pali's bme replacement?
Nov 11 20:07:01  kolp: only with it :)
Nov 11 20:07:07  you can use this: https://code.launchpad.net/~pali/+junk/maemo_libbqioctl
Nov 11 20:07:26  this is LD_PRELOAD library which redirect i2cget calls to bq27x00_battery
Nov 11 20:07:46  so bq27200.sh script working wih bq27x00_battery kernel module :-)
Nov 11 20:07:56  I'm using it
Nov 11 20:08:21  Pali: that's... backwards D:
Nov 11 20:08:22  kerio, Pali: Awesome :)
Nov 11 20:08:31  kerio: indeed
Nov 11 20:08:35  DocScrutinizer05: tell him to stop! :'(
Nov 11 20:10:16  wtf is /dev/bq27200-0? :o
Nov 11 20:12:05  maybe that's the "I2C" device to bq27200?
Nov 11 20:12:15  that indeed would make some sense
Nov 11 20:12:45  i really wonder how could i still have VDQ, considering bq2415x_charger's weird behaviour wrt charge termination
Nov 11 20:13:02  so instead of i2cget 2  I'd use i2cget /dev/bq27200-0
Nov 11 20:13:13  Pali: the problem was not that it is notMT safe, but that g_slist_free does not assign NULL to root element
Nov 11 20:13:54  so when I g_slist_append later, the memory access is invalid
Nov 11 20:16:35  hrmpf, something is kinda fucked up with my n900
Nov 11 20:16:39  i can't turn it off properly
Nov 11 20:16:50  it goes in fucking ACT_DEAD mode
Nov 11 20:16:53  kerio: what is that supposed to mean?
Nov 11 20:17:34  do you have alarm setup?
Nov 11 20:17:43  *set up
Nov 11 20:17:47  yes, but the future alarm is quite far away
Nov 11 20:18:23  hmm
Nov 11 20:18:26  strange
Nov 11 20:18:31  actually no, it's even weirder
Nov 11 20:18:32  i can turn it off
Nov 11 20:18:39  but when i push the power button, it boots into ACT_DEAD
Nov 11 20:18:49  oh no nvm, it does that automatically
Nov 11 20:18:51  WHAT THE SHIT
Nov 11 20:19:43  i'm fucking halting from rescueos
Nov 11 20:20:05  aah, you have some neat stuff installed
Nov 11 20:20:17  ok, halting from rescueOS finally succeded, i suppose
Nov 11 20:22:33  freemangordon: i do have some neat stuff installed :)
Nov 11 20:28:12  hahaha i'm pinging my n900 via wifi *and* bt pan
Nov 11 20:28:20  the latency is horrendous on both ways
Nov 11 20:28:31  turn power saving off
Nov 11 20:28:36  it doesn't use a lot of power though :(
Nov 11 20:28:40  oh right, i could turn that off
Nov 11 20:31:05  freemangordon: hm, how do i use more power?
Nov 11 20:31:53  oooh, wifi monitor mode
Nov 11 20:33:26  400mA :D
Nov 11 20:33:43  400mA.. you can probably feel the heat dissipation from that
Nov 11 20:45:01  DocScrutinizer: infobot joined!
Nov 11 20:45:23  hi infobot!
Nov 11 20:45:24  we missed you!
Nov 11 20:49:27  [2012-11-11 21:19:45]  power is out. infobot down
Nov 11 21:05:47  infobot is hosted at Tim's home?
Nov 11 21:13:33  Sysaxed2: pong
Nov 11 21:13:55  chem|st, Hi!
Nov 11 21:14:46  chem|st, I've made a post on the tmo but when making a thread it said that it should be verified by a moderator
Nov 11 21:14:57  lnk?
Nov 11 21:15:00  chem|st, so DocScrutinizer05 told me to get you to do this :)
Nov 11 21:15:04  I can't get a link
Nov 11 21:15:10  but my nickname on tmo is "sysaxed"
Nov 11 21:15:23  and the thread was about volume keys used as shortut
Nov 11 21:15:32  or how can I get a link?
Nov 11 21:16:36  live
Nov 11 21:16:56  you should see your own posts at least in your profile
Nov 11 21:17:09  even if moderated
Nov 11 21:17:35  and cut that python crap... it is getting me on a rampage
Nov 11 21:18:29  bye
Nov 11 21:19:46  chem|st: "cut the python crap"?
Nov 11 21:23:22  http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1293036
Nov 11 21:23:31  oh, or you've already found it..
Nov 11 21:27:36  oh no.. oh no...
Nov 11 21:27:51  my n900 turned off and now it's unable to boot...
Nov 11 21:28:47  Sysaxed2: were you using that script you posted about?
Nov 11 21:29:00  nope
Nov 11 21:29:09  ok! booted after removing the battery
Nov 11 21:29:41  Sysaxed2: python is a pain ever since putting it on to the n900
Nov 11 21:29:57  chem|st, why? what's wrong?
Nov 11 21:31:07  the latest?! I needed to install some python-dev crap to build libxml2 with which I got disabled building modest no more!
Nov 11 21:31:25  it was eating my desktop and my home
Nov 11 21:31:32  well, you don't need anything to run that script.. so it's fine...
Nov 11 21:31:35  in terms of hildon-$
Nov 11 21:31:50  Sysaxed2: you need python...
Nov 11 21:32:18  chem|st, yes, it's most probably already installed if you have some apps installed
Nov 11 21:32:28  if not, well, of course it needs python...
Nov 11 21:32:34  the only thing I ever found reliable in python was battlefield2 (the game)
Nov 11 21:32:57  python is fine.. just an object oriented bash :D
Nov 11 21:33:24  everything else was quick and dirty as any other proper language would eat time 
Nov 11 21:33:56  enough rant, for real now, bye cu 2morow
Nov 11 21:34:14  chem|st: have you tried twisted/cyclone?
Nov 11 21:34:22  chem|st: wait
Nov 11 21:34:35  chem|st: do you have the ability to remove polls from a thread?
Nov 11 21:34:51  chem|st: the two archival threads in community could use with the poll removal
Nov 11 21:52:38  also could use thread merge
Nov 11 21:58:12  why?
Nov 11 22:00:18  because polls bring nothing to the table
Nov 11 22:01:35  Evening!
Nov 11 22:01:50  hi
Nov 11 22:03:01  yo.
Nov 11 22:03:58  teotwaki: but how will people then vote for the features they want in the upcoming jolla???
Nov 11 22:04:30  haha
Nov 11 22:05:01  vi__: is that english or scotish sense of humor? :P
Nov 11 22:05:37  freemangordon: alarmui already??
Nov 11 22:05:42  yep
Nov 11 22:05:49  damn your fast.
Nov 11 22:05:59  http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1293135#post1293135
Nov 11 22:06:43  I just gave mrs vi__ an n900.  she saw the way skype, contacts and messaging works.
Nov 11 22:06:51  *mind blown*
Nov 11 22:07:07  haha
Nov 11 22:07:13  no other way
Nov 11 22:07:20  truely.
Nov 11 22:07:33  where she comes from, faildroid?
Nov 11 22:07:38  freemangordon: downloading right away, will test it next morning
Nov 11 22:08:03  one way it could have been cooler though is to thread ALL messages (im, text, etc) in one monlithic thread.
Nov 11 22:08:14  hmm I am starting to get a little bit worried about my 2nd N900, thats supposed to come my way
Nov 11 22:08:18  MrPingu: but make sure to have some backup wake-up strategy ;)
Nov 11 22:08:34  vi__: nooo
Nov 11 22:08:57  she came from symbian.
Nov 11 22:09:10  freemangordon: was in the middle of a sentence: ofcourse with a backup alarm too
Nov 11 22:09:25  vi__: hmm, afaik messaging is not that bad on symbian
Nov 11 22:09:30  she just got a nexus 7, still excited by the shiny.
Nov 11 22:09:37  never used symbian phone
Nov 11 22:09:41  symbian 5th edition.
Nov 11 22:09:49  xm5800
Nov 11 22:09:51  5800?
Nov 11 22:09:53  s50?
Nov 11 22:10:05  awh, did she have my custom-firmware?
Nov 11 22:10:05  DocScrutinizer05, thanks for your help, the thread is there now :)
Nov 11 22:10:20  freemangordon: no s60v5 :P
Nov 11 22:10:26  MrPingu: ooh, you know about haxing 5800?
Nov 11 22:10:29  my sister still uses 5800 as second device
Nov 11 22:10:43  MrPingu: aah, ok :D
Nov 11 22:10:54  I hear you can put C6 firmware on it?
Nov 11 22:10:57  vi_: yes was deep into it :P
Nov 11 22:11:08  the last nokia before n900 i had was 6260
Nov 11 22:11:25  went to HTC trinity after that
Nov 11 22:11:31  excellant, I would like to pick your mind at some point in a few days if you have some time.
Nov 11 22:11:34  vi_: yep, but I left the scene when I got my n900 and gave my 5800 to my bro
Nov 11 22:12:07  MrPingu: do you know about putting c6 firmware on it?
Nov 11 22:12:26  Yes my firmware was based on c6
Nov 11 22:12:28  before n900 I had Nokia e70. Wonderful phone! 2006s version of n900, haha
Nov 11 22:12:44  Sysaxed2: e72 for life!
Nov 11 22:12:52  hmm, what about e90?
Nov 11 22:12:58  You need to have a windoze 32 bit system to flash it though
Nov 11 22:13:10  MrPingu: I have!
Nov 11 22:13:12  e90, that's one massive weapon
Nov 11 22:13:33  almost as big as n900 :P
Nov 11 22:13:39  the keyboard of e70 is so nice :>
Nov 11 22:13:47  or let's say: expensives brick 
Nov 11 22:13:48  sometimes I miss it when I'm using n900
Nov 11 22:14:08  MrPingu: why is that? 
Nov 11 22:14:29  I've never used it, but iirc it was ok
Nov 11 22:15:21  It's even bigger and heavier than the n900
Nov 11 22:16:19  I think I might go for the n4.
Nov 11 22:16:33  And whit the metal body, it's a perfect replacement for the brick we normally use to built houses :P
Nov 11 22:16:38  well, I convinced the company to get me a note 2 and n4, will see what works best.
Nov 11 22:18:06  vi_: http://www.symbian-freak.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=45405
Nov 11 22:18:33  guys, how low should EDV1 be?
Nov 11 22:18:35  Not that I suggest to use that firmware as it's outdated by now
Nov 11 22:19:23  Pali: i got a "low battery" warning at 3519mV
Nov 11 22:19:45  kerio, yes there is that waring
Nov 11 22:19:59  3.5V is not even close to EDV1
Nov 11 22:20:05  do you have new hald-addon.bme?
Nov 11 22:20:11  yes
Nov 11 22:20:29  https://gitorious.org/rx51-bme-replacement/hald-addon-bme/blobs/master/hald-addon-bme.c#line70
Nov 11 22:20:34  here are limits ^^^
Nov 11 22:21:02  how many % do you have?
Nov 11 22:21:10  7%
Nov 11 22:21:13  now 6%
Nov 11 22:21:15  its ok
Nov 11 22:21:36  7-8% for first low is ok
Nov 11 22:21:58  i agree
Nov 11 22:22:04  but you still lied :P
Nov 11 22:22:05  me too :P
Nov 11 22:22:14  (agree)
Nov 11 22:22:30  Pali: i really hope i can restart the charging as soon as EDV1 is hit
Nov 11 22:22:45  yes
Nov 11 22:23:02  Pali: when do you start shutdown?
Nov 11 22:23:04  i mean, there should be some leeway
Nov 11 22:23:14  freemangordon, EDVF
Nov 11 22:23:17  ok
Nov 11 22:23:36  or voltage under 3000
Nov 11 22:23:44  or mAh under  20
Nov 11 22:23:50  Pali: you still haven't answered my previous question, though - what's the deal with the charge termination?
Nov 11 22:24:02  do you just let bq24150 do its thing?
Nov 11 22:24:09  because i've *never* saw the green solid led
Nov 11 22:24:13  yes
Nov 11 22:24:30  kerio, then there can be bug in hald-addon-bme
Nov 11 22:24:45  because it setting mce patterns
Nov 11 22:25:10  is it getting to a point where it thinks the battery is charged, though?
Nov 11 22:25:32  Pali: mAh under 20?? that's BAD
Nov 11 22:26:04  there's no way to have a mAh value suited for shutdown
Nov 11 22:27:38  Pali: hold on, does it shut down at VERYLOW?
Nov 11 22:27:56  no
Nov 11 22:28:00  on empty
Nov 11 22:28:02 * MrPingu will be right back, rebooting his N900 for alarm-ui
Nov 11 22:28:05  i see
Nov 11 22:28:13  00:16  freemangordon, EDVF
Nov 11 22:28:28  EDVF is hanlded as empty
Nov 11 22:29:28 * freemangordon goes to sleep
Nov 11 22:29:35  night
Nov 11 22:32:59  Set 3 alarms, if I wake up on 8:10 alarmui is working. If I wake up on 8:25, backup alarm was triggered :P 
Nov 11 22:33:30  MrPingu: in what interval?
Nov 11 22:33:57  8:10, 8:14 8:20
Nov 11 22:34:04  with snooze of 10
Nov 11 22:34:20  let's see what happens with snooze of alarm 1 + 3 ;)
Nov 11 22:34:30  noo, do them 8:10,8:11,8:12
Nov 11 22:34:48  As you wish :P
Nov 11 22:34:57  Pali: mAh under 20?? that's BAD
Nov 11 22:35:02  there's no way to have a mAh value suited for shutdown
Nov 11 22:35:07  kerio: Pali: bq24150 charge end will never kick in when system conctantly eating >50some mA
Nov 11 22:35:39  MrPingu: you'll have 3 groups , 3 minutes of alarm sound each
Nov 11 22:36:10  MrPingu: and you better set snooze to 5, so all will be finished until your backup alarm rings
Nov 11 22:36:43  yay calibration complete
Nov 11 22:36:43  :D
Nov 11 22:36:56  battery full is when bq27200 report FLAG_FC
Nov 11 22:37:07  ...dafuq, 1311mAh
Nov 11 22:37:17  GODDAMMIT BQ27200, WHY YOU SO WEIRD
Nov 11 22:37:38  MrPingu: that way it is expected to have alarms on 8:10,8:11,8:12,8:16,8:17,8:18,8:21,8:22,8:23
Nov 11 22:38:00  Pali: hm, the value in rx51-battery seems to be "synchronized" with bq27k
Nov 11 22:38:18  oops, 1 minute error, but the idea is clear
Nov 11 22:38:50  kerio, if it still not show battery full give me output of bq27200.sh
Nov 11 22:38:50  well, this calibration was a failure :s
Nov 11 22:39:27  Pali: heh, i'm getting "low battery" warnings while charging, now
Nov 11 22:39:39  it could be because i tinkered with the modules, mind you
Nov 11 22:39:56  if you rmmoded modules, then yes
Nov 11 22:39:57  freemangordon: got it, having an awful amount of alarms set now :o
Nov 11 22:40:31  why? you need only 3 for the time between 8:10-8:25
Nov 11 22:41:24  anyway, lets see how Monday will start :D:D:D
Nov 11 22:41:53  btw: what happens if you for example put an alarm on 8:10 and 8:15 and snooze the one of 8:10?
Nov 11 22:42:09  both will ring at the same time :P
Nov 11 22:42:13  or wat will happen happen if you have 2 alarms of 8:10?
Nov 11 22:42:19  ^^^
Nov 11 22:42:24  :)
Nov 11 22:42:27  the later one wins
Nov 11 22:42:54  queuing is still not implemented. And I don't thinks it makes sense
Nov 11 22:43:26  ugh, pali left
Nov 11 22:43:36  It doesn't, in such short amount of time..
Nov 11 22:43:50  i wanted to ask him if it was ok to remove the bq27k module while charging with the bq24k
Nov 11 22:44:22  MrPingu: what I plan is snooze interval and count per alarm, along with removal of 60 seconds limit of sound 
Nov 11 22:44:54  that 60s limit is just not cool :(
Nov 11 22:45:13  I mean, it forces us to use multiple alarms
Nov 11 22:45:13  yeah
Nov 11 22:45:19  exactly
Nov 11 22:45:33  along with snooze count limit, which is 3
Nov 11 22:46:12  well, IDC, as I never snooze more than 2 :P
Nov 11 22:46:24  but still freedom is what we want :)
Nov 11 22:47:00  yeah
Nov 11 22:47:08  however, I am afk
Nov 11 22:47:10  night
Nov 11 22:48:57  g'night
Nov 11 23:07:23  Going to sleep, too. Let's see if I will get waked by my N900
Nov 11 23:09:09   along with snooze count limit, which is 3
Nov 11 23:09:12  snooze limit is 3??
Nov 11 23:09:15  are you sure
Nov 11 23:09:23  I remember snoozing more
Nov 11 23:09:56  what happens if you snooze 4-th time? or the button is missing in that case?
Nov 11 23:16:11  kerio: bq24150 shouldn't depend on bq27200
Nov 11 23:16:49  if it does, then pali messed sth up, see >>[2012-11-11 23:34:57]  Pali: mAh under 20?? that's BAD[2012-11-11 23:35:02]  there's no way to have a mAh value suited for shutdown
Nov 11 23:17:57  Sysaxed2: how about testing it?
Nov 11 23:18:36  Sysaxed2: anyway I'm also sure the alarm is useless for me due to those limits being real
Nov 11 23:33:25  the hell?
Nov 11 23:33:40  I just noticed my generic wedrop.it domain pointed to some garbage webpage
Nov 11 23:35:03  huh?
Nov 11 23:35:20  aah, not the maemo subdomain
Nov 11 23:35:34  yeah
Nov 11 23:35:42  but Google has it properly indexed...
Nov 11 23:35:49  hehe, I pondered to visit it yesterday, to see what wedrop.it does, but then forgot about it
Nov 11 23:36:28  teotwaki: check your /etc/hosts?
Nov 11 23:36:41  DocScrutinizer05: http://firestarter.wedrop.it http://lists.wedrop.it and another one for my seedbox
Nov 11 23:36:49  teotwaki: or use another DNs server?
Nov 11 23:36:59  DocScrutinizer05: you're seeing the correct page?
Nov 11 23:37:15  looks ok'ish
Nov 11 23:37:26  what do you see?
Nov 11 23:37:31  Big firestarter page?
Nov 11 23:37:39  yep, big fire
Nov 11 23:37:45  well, fuck.
Nov 11 23:37:48  same as wedrop.it
Nov 11 23:38:12  hmm, google sees the same
Nov 11 23:38:31  host -a wedrop.it
Nov 11 23:39:14  though that's clearly not my expertise domain
Nov 11 23:39:38  wedrop.it.		86400	IN	MX	10 mail.wedrop.it.
Nov 11 23:40:00  wedrop.it.		600	IN	TXT	"v=spf1 include:mx.ovh.com ~all"
Nov 11 23:40:57  I'll check from work tomorrow
Nov 11 23:42:07  Over the years, I've learned that DNS is not something you can rush
Nov 11 23:42:13  it takes time, or massive planning.
Nov 11 23:42:41  http://pastebin.com/mxPVfbwz
Nov 11 23:42:45  teotwaki: ^^^^
Nov 11 23:43:50  I friggin never seen such a DNS record
Nov 11 23:44:55  particularly >> wedrop.it.              600     IN      TXT     "v=spf1 include:mx.ovh.com ~all" <<
Nov 11 23:45:26  oh, that's for emails
Nov 11 23:45:39  spamfilter, or something
Nov 11 23:45:56  Sender Policy Framework
Nov 11 23:46:18  SPF was initiated by Meng Weng Wong of pobox.com to enable validation of legitimate sources of email for a domain and is now an IETF standard (RFC 4408).
Nov 11 23:46:51  mhm
Nov 11 23:47:01  maybe your AAAA are wrong?
Nov 11 23:47:20  could explain the difference
Nov 11 23:47:33  no IPv6 here
Nov 11 23:48:19  :shrug:
Nov 11 23:48:36 * DocScrutinizer05 heads out to fridge, getting a drink
Nov 11 23:48:56  ah, fuck
Nov 11 23:49:00  ipv6 is wrong, indeed
Nov 11 23:49:28  ;-D
Nov 11 23:49:39  2001:41d0:1:1b00:213:186:33:19
Nov 11 23:49:43  that's the one that is configured
Nov 11 23:49:50  fe80::7271:bcff:feb0:c189/64
Nov 11 23:49:52  that's the box
Nov 11 23:50:45  no idea how to change that correctly
Nov 11 23:59:10  teotwaki: btw: [2012-11-11 20:59:54]  Man, I love that I can read what u type to the world via the logs, thank u for making me a grandsmash iunternational fucking hero, ya twit.  [2012-11-12 00:56:43] [Notice] -NickServ- Last seen  : Nov 11 20:37:26 2012 (3 hours, 19 minutes, 16 seconds ago)
Nov 11 23:59:29  check timestamps and durations, seems freenode staff did their job?
Nov 12 00:00:21  indeed, but I didn't get any feedback
Nov 12 00:00:29  :shrug:
Nov 12 00:00:40  maybe he just raged and went to troll 4chan instead
Nov 12 00:00:48  hehe, maybe
Nov 12 00:02:26  let's take bets about his age? ;-P
Nov 12 00:02:41  14 or speed
Nov 12 00:02:47  yep
Nov 12 00:02:52  17 or 21 and crack
Nov 12 00:02:57  possibly
Nov 12 00:02:57  yepyep
Nov 12 00:06:15  Hey, Guys.
Nov 12 00:06:58  Just wondering, what is the shell command for the defualt Notes app?
Nov 12 00:09:43  nevermind, I found it
Nov 12 00:12:31  mad_dev: it's not so extremely useful though
Nov 12 00:13:06  since via cmdline you can't tell nootes to open a particular note file
Nov 12 00:13:24  maybe dbus-msg is better
Nov 12 00:13:30  DocScrutinizer05: yeah, just found out..too bad 
Nov 12 00:14:05  mad_dev: but you can use a dbus msg to open a file
Nov 12 00:14:23 * merlin1991 tries to remember where in the fsckd wiki he saw the logs last
Nov 12 00:15:03  google site:wiki.maemo.org com.nokia.notes... sth like that?
Nov 12 00:15:36  nah
Nov 12 00:15:44  I need the generic docs about mime_open
Nov 12 00:15:44  I guess starting it via applauncher already shows sth in dbus-monitor
Nov 12 00:16:02  oooh friggin mime shite
Nov 12 00:16:16  arcane stuff
Nov 12 00:16:27  there we go: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mime_Types#Using_hildon-mime-open
Nov 12 00:16:41  DocScrutinizer05:  yeah, but each stock app implements the dbus call to open a file that way
Nov 12 00:16:42  ipv6 fixed in dns zone
Nov 12 00:16:56  adding ipv6 for maemo-archive also
Nov 12 00:17:16  I know, I wrote the inital openmediaplayer mime_open suport :D
Nov 12 00:17:25  teotwaki: gimme 5
Nov 12 00:17:44  technically speaking, I could give every single package in the mirror its own IPv6 address
Nov 12 00:18:09  well you probably have a /64 ipv6 net
Nov 12 00:18:13  merlin1991: aaaaah
Nov 12 00:18:24  (I have 18446744073709551616 addresses available)
Nov 12 00:18:32  merlin1991: mad useful link anyway
Nov 12 00:18:33  well, technically, I have that * 2.
Nov 12 00:19:04  ok, otherwise it would've been tough
Nov 12 00:19:20  but *2, yeah, might suffice
Nov 12 00:19:20  DocScrutinizer05: well basically you call the method mime_open of the aproprite applicationservice with a string parameter which contains the uri to open
Nov 12 00:20:13  (on dbus)
Nov 12 00:20:37  one of the moments where I think "we'd be pretty fscked when wiki ever goes down"
Nov 12 00:21:08  well we could always look at the source and docs in the hildon-* source archives .)
Nov 12 00:21:52  haha, sure
Nov 12 00:22:39  merlin1991: where's the damn dbus msg example?
Nov 12 00:23:03  somewhere in the the file manager code ;)
Nov 12 00:23:23  haha
Nov 12 00:23:36  mad_dev: just a few more minutes
Nov 12 00:23:40  ;-D
Nov 12 00:25:00  http://ipv6-test.com/validate.php
Nov 12 00:25:11  they're all good to go!
Nov 12 00:31:41  glad I could help a lil bit
Nov 12 00:32:08  only fair, for your providing 800GB hosted space
Nov 12 00:34:15  DocScrutinizer05: 18e a month ;)
Nov 12 00:34:26  now for some completely different joke: setting up all friggin email accounts and filters on that 'new' laptop
Nov 12 00:34:28  for a quad core, 2gb of ram, 100mbit unlimited link
Nov 12 00:34:37  and 1tb hd
Nov 12 00:34:47  full dedi, not some virtual machine or anything
Nov 12 00:34:53  gimmegimmegimme
Nov 12 00:36:17  I'm paying same for a virt server, with 50GB storage, but really fat backbone (feels like jigabit)
Nov 12 00:36:24  http://www.ovh.de/dedicated_server/isgenug.xml
Nov 12 00:36:39  even de, GREAT
Nov 12 00:36:48  DocScrutinizer05: sorry about the long thank you...my laptop died
Nov 12 00:36:58  "isgenug" is their translation for the original name: kimsufi (french "Qui me suffi"---that which is enough for me)
Nov 12 00:37:33  DocScrutinizer05: I know their webpage says single core/single thread
Nov 12 00:37:36  mad_dev: eh?
Nov 12 00:37:53  DocScrutinizer05: nevermind
Nov 12 00:38:11  but I ordered two, one in June, got a dual core atom, and another one in october or late september, and got a dual core HT atom
Nov 12 00:38:31  so it's a bit of a lottery, in terms of the CPU hardware you get
Nov 12 00:44:22  wtf is 'Personalisierbarer Reverse'
Nov 12 00:45:40  remote reboot sounds 'nice', but more interesting is what's the method to pick and install your OS
Nov 12 00:47:41  NIC: GigaEthernet, Network:100 Mbit/s -- makes sense ;-P
Nov 12 00:51:40  mad_dev: sorry, you probably have to find out by your own about the correct magic invocation of dbus-send to start notes with a particular file
Nov 12 00:52:09  anyway if you did, please let me know
Nov 12 00:52:22  DocScrutinizer05: actually, I went with nano.
Nov 12 00:53:44  DocScrutinizer05: DNS maybe?
Nov 12 00:53:56  'Personalisierbarer Reverse'
Nov 12 01:04:55  DocScrutinizer05: you've got debian, ubuntu, centos, freebsd, netbsd, etc
Nov 12 01:05:14  DocScrutinizer05: you can, from their web interface, repartition the hd, and reinstall the distrib
Nov 12 01:05:35  DocScrutinizer05: booting can be done from either a shared kernel, maintained by them, or your own, locally-compiled one.
Nov 12 01:09:17  DocScrutinizer05: arch linux 2012, centos 5.8, 6.3, debian 6.0, 7.0, fedora core 15, 17, gentoo 2012, mandriva 2009.1, opensuse 12.2, rhel 5.8, 6.3, slackware 13, opensuse 11.4, ubuntu 8.04 lts, 10.04 lts, 11.10, 12.04 lts, 12.10.
Nov 12 01:09:52  DocScrutinizer05: freebsd 7.4, 8.3, 9.0.
Nov 12 01:19:05  Hello, I have N900 Nokia phone and I cannot understand ad-hoc connection option. Does it can be used turning N900 in 3G modem?
Nov 12 01:20:27  dmesg is giving me 110 error for my memory card !! HELP..
Nov 12 01:21:56  is there a problem with card or witth my phone?
Nov 12 01:22:30  devilinside: did you try rebooting
Nov 12 01:23:28  tried everything...
Nov 12 01:23:52  tried using easy deb from partition.. its giving io error...
Nov 12 01:24:00  devilinside: on cmd line type "ps -history"
Nov 12 01:24:01  but the cad is working fine in pc
Nov 12 01:24:54  invalid option
Nov 12 01:25:14  ps w,l,t are in options
Nov 12 01:25:41  devilinside: try root, then ps -history
Nov 12 01:26:35  invalid opton
Nov 12 01:28:34  devilinside: thats strange, try df
Nov 12 01:29:02  did
Nov 12 01:29:12  gt the list 
Nov 12 01:29:33  it shows the mem card n partitions
Nov 12 01:30:05  devilinside: try to cd to it
Nov 12 01:32:35  devilinside: does it show in mount?
Nov 12 01:37:00  devilinside: if it shows in mount, then we can rule out hardware issues.
Nov 12 01:37:30  yes
Nov 12 01:37:32  it does
Nov 12 01:37:43  i cud cd into it
Nov 12 01:37:53  it might still have `bad blocks'...
Nov 12 01:37:58  mounted mmcblk1p2 on /media/mmc2 successfully..
Nov 12 01:38:38  trying http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?p=1005593#post1005593
Nov 12 01:38:49  lets see what does this do..
Nov 12 01:39:14  everything other than fat32 on my mem card is not working.. like ext2 and swap..
Nov 12 01:39:27  demonbell: N900 can emulate a wifi<->3G hotspot, yes
Nov 12 01:41:03  demonbell: see http://maemo.org/packages/view/mobilehotspot/  and   http://maemo.org/packages/view/qtmobilehotspot/
Nov 12 01:41:52  but i am already using KPv51
Nov 12 01:42:03  tehn do i need to replace the driver?
Nov 12 01:42:35  mad_dev: sorry, but your help is not really correct I'd think
Nov 12 01:43:08  a uSD card may show 110 IO errors despite getting mounted without problems
Nov 12 01:43:46  devilinside: probably your card is close to the edge, working in some readers while not working in e.g. N900
Nov 12 01:43:51  then is it phones fault or the memory cards ?
Nov 12 01:44:06  basically card's fault
Nov 12 01:44:35  :( then will be getting it changed.. sandisk class 10 32 gb sucks..
Nov 12 01:45:10  but as some hav esaid, their 110 error vanished after using this driver http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?p=1005593#post1005593
Nov 12 01:45:22  there's defect from fab hw every now and then
Nov 12 01:46:49  well, another driver might change some parameters in the uSD interface in N900, this doesn't mean that N900 is defect, nor does it mean the card is OK. It just is a question if card is 'good enough' for N900
Nov 12 01:47:09  usually sandisk should be pretty 'good'
Nov 12 01:47:48  but as mentioned above, there are variations in hw properties even with new stuff
Nov 12 01:49:09  devilinside: i did some quick research, I can confirm what DocScrutinizer05 said. A USB 110 error in linux means that the hub was not able to supply adequate power. I suggest testing a new card
Nov 12 01:50:09  yeah.. my 16gb tranced class4 is working fine..
Nov 12 01:50:17  *transcend
Nov 12 01:51:52  devilinside: great
Nov 12 01:53:50  plzz help me with apt update too
Nov 12 01:54:00  its showing keyexpired
Nov 12 01:54:03  DocScrutinizer05: I thought his 110 error was a 11 error(Try Again)...
Nov 12 01:54:26  and worst nearly all packages in fam r screaming broken dependencies
Nov 12 01:56:34  formatted all to fat32.. now no errors
Nov 12 01:59:20  devilinside: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=87208&highlight=key+expired&page=2
Nov 12 02:00:17  devilinside: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75007&highlight=key+expired&page=2
Nov 12 02:00:36  devilinside: hope this helps
Nov 12 02:00:47  and what with unmet depedencies??
Nov 12 02:00:52  @DocScrutinizer - thanks, I know for them :) I wandered for ad-hoc feature purpose.
Nov 12 02:01:06  http://www.n900forum.de/programme/aktivieren-der-repositories-maemo-extras-extras-testing-und-extras-devel/30/
Nov 12 02:01:20  dont know this language..
Nov 12 02:01:32  but the problem is quite similar..
Nov 12 02:02:09  mobilehotspot require power kernel and iptables - however I prefer not to make changes to kernel :)
Nov 12 02:02:29  Power kernel is, well, the best thing you can do for your N900
Nov 12 02:02:35  Perfectly safe, these days
Nov 12 02:03:00  Just think of it like an upgraded kernel for your desktop system.
Nov 12 02:04:11  Woody14619a, amen.
Nov 12 02:05:51  @robbiethe1st - do you know if there will be next version of Maemo for N900?
Nov 12 02:06:02  N900 is discontinued
Nov 12 02:06:06  Maemo is discontinued
Nov 12 02:06:14  Nokia is nearly discontinued
Nov 12 02:06:23  haha :P
Nov 12 02:06:23  which mean dead ? :)
Nov 12 02:06:27  Exactly
Nov 12 02:07:11  GeneralAntilles: WOW...Optimism
Nov 12 02:07:18  honestly, one of those days....
Nov 12 02:07:27  mad_dev, erm? Reality?
Nov 12 02:07:54  so there is no hope for new life? :)
Nov 12 02:08:04 * GeneralAntilles hands DocScrutinizer05 one of the secret council coping pills.
Nov 12 02:08:15  devilinside: don't use fam/fapman, it's known to be broken
Nov 12 02:08:16  GeneralAntilles: You can never know what the future can bring
Nov 12 02:08:20  demonbell, Mer, NemoMobile, Jolla, CSSU.
Nov 12 02:08:29  mad_dev, Nokia isn't coming back to Linux.
Nov 12 02:08:39  Use good-old apt-get instead
Nov 12 02:08:41  N900 and Maemo are officially discontinued.
Nov 12 02:08:56  The positive options with the future lie outside of Nokia (Jolla, RIM, etc.)
Nov 12 02:09:26  ~cssu
Nov 12 02:09:26  methinks cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU
Nov 12 02:09:34  n8 peeps
Nov 12 02:09:37  You mean N900 and Maemo are discountinued from  (Jolla, RIM, etc.) ?
Nov 12 02:10:00  ...
Nov 12 02:10:12  it used to work with fapman but after flashing its not working ..
Nov 12 02:10:17  coca cola is also not going to be making maemo devices.
Nov 12 02:10:17  or only frmom Nokia
Nov 12 02:10:22  *from
Nov 12 02:10:32  demonbell, they're Nokia products, Nokia discontinued them.
Nov 12 02:10:49  I see :)
Nov 12 02:10:51  Jolla and RIM are options for reasonable mobile platforms to move to after Maemo.
Nov 12 02:11:05  in 10 years maybe
Nov 12 02:11:32  cuz seems like no one is going to create a phone that is similar to n900
Nov 12 02:11:40  and there's no need, we already have our n900's
Nov 12 02:11:55  so probably it's the best thing a human being can create
Nov 12 02:12:44  Jolla is a possible option soon.
Nov 12 02:12:57  sort of derived in some ways.
Nov 12 02:13:12  it took some time for nokia to come to n900
Nov 12 02:13:12  how mush will it cost(estimate) to re-launch maemo?
Nov 12 02:13:13  I'm left Nokia fan however :)
Nov 12 02:13:23  demonbell, welcome to Windows Phone, then.
Nov 12 02:13:24  so the first phones from Jolla are not going to be that awesome
Nov 12 02:13:29  Waiting for Lumia 920 :)
Nov 12 02:13:38  looks brliant
Nov 12 02:13:48  + you know, it's not a good marketing politic to create phones like n900
Nov 12 02:13:53  *brilliant
Nov 12 02:13:59  Sysaxed: True
Nov 12 02:14:27  SpeedEvil, does jolla use aegis?
Nov 12 02:14:39  not been announced.
Nov 12 02:14:53  and frankly, aegis was never the problem.
Nov 12 02:14:55  so probably they're going to create something that most people like... thin device with a capacitive screen
Nov 12 02:15:06  the problem was the lack of control.
Nov 12 02:15:08  There is also B2G Firefox
Nov 12 02:15:14  SpeedEvil, true
Nov 12 02:15:18  I just want something with a physical qwerty which is not a windows phone, if I cant find a decent one, I'll just buy one of those 16e samsungs and live happily everafter
Nov 12 02:15:36  aegis plus 'install from other app stores' would address most of the issues
Nov 12 02:15:54  Skry, just stick with n900? :)
Nov 12 02:16:31  I'm sticking with my N900 until I find something with a better processor, higher-res screen, good HW keyboard, and good battery life
Nov 12 02:16:32  Sysaxed: that's my plan for now, just looking at the future :)
Nov 12 02:16:36  3 years ago, most websites worked OK with n900.
Nov 12 02:16:39  ...and open
Nov 12 02:16:44  this is getting less true
Nov 12 02:17:19  today I've managed to find a preset in pierogi for my TV
Nov 12 02:17:25  Skry: I said the same thing...I have been waiting for 2 years
Nov 12 02:17:29  so now I wont ever buy a smartphone without IR port
Nov 12 02:17:37  robbiethe1st: I'm afraid it's gonna take a while for next "open" phone to hit the markets :\
Nov 12 02:17:59  Yeah
Nov 12 02:18:03  the problem with n900 is that it's not that open
Nov 12 02:18:13  mad_dev: so let's hope our n900s last forever then!
Nov 12 02:18:16  too many things are closed source
Nov 12 02:18:25  It is in the way I need - Console, root, and I can run my own code.
Nov 12 02:18:31  if everything was open, we wouldn't even need Nokia or any other company..
Nov 12 02:18:35  I think bathery indicator software is closed
Nov 12 02:18:36  and it's standard enough that it doesn't matter
Nov 12 02:19:33  I've really hoped for n9
Nov 12 02:19:40  but when it came out without a keyboard...
Nov 12 02:19:46  btw about open things, have you seen this one? http://www.parallella.org/
Nov 12 02:22:30  g2g, bye
Nov 12 02:30:18  pff, that was a poor link :\ anyways, it's open raspi style arm board, with a catch. it has dual core arm9 and something they call epiphany multicore accelerator which at best has has 64 cores each running at 700MHz. 16 core version was announced to cost 99USD.
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