**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Nov 23 02:59:59 2012 Nov 23 03:29:52 DocScrutinizer05: thanks little other than oryginal gochi have... Nov 23 07:32:54 rm_you: try booting, now Nov 23 09:25:19 * Drathir try to make video works correctly... Nov 23 09:26:15 x264 mean... Nov 23 10:21:19 morning Nov 23 10:21:28 Drathir: what's your problem? Nov 23 10:24:59 yo Nov 23 10:48:38 How do I explain to my boss that I am not 'lazy' I am just giving myself an artificial pay rise? Nov 23 11:15:51 vi____: just tell him that you want to be able to focus entirely on the company and work, which means you're not greedy, you just don't want to have to worry about money. Nov 23 11:35:26 teotwaki: The pre-previous guy left for a job with a 50% increase in salary. He left with a compiled version of the last firmware but no source code. Nov 23 11:35:46 I am pretty sure it was a final fuck-you from beyond the grave. Nov 23 11:38:07 vi____: how much do you make? Nov 23 11:38:17 I am ashamed to say. Nov 23 11:38:20 actually, you don't need to say it out loud, just think of the answer Nov 23 11:38:32 And think of how much you enable the company to 1/ function, 2/ ruin your life. Nov 23 11:38:32 Yup. Nov 23 11:38:40 Yup. Nov 23 11:38:49 Does your salary seem just to you? Nov 23 11:38:57 Not even slightly. Nov 23 11:39:07 Then either get a payraise, or walk away. Nov 23 11:39:12 I am already on it. Nov 23 11:39:33 I have a couple of applications allready 'in'. Nov 23 11:39:35 Don't tell them "I'll leave", and don't go to interviews without telling them Nov 23 11:39:55 teotwaki: Dont go to the interviews without telling? Nov 23 11:40:16 Just tell them, "I've been asking for a raise for x months, and have been blatantly ignored, so I'm just letting you know that I've been contacted by other companies and am pondering my options" Nov 23 11:40:55 teotwaki: Normally I would agree, however this particular company has demonstrated beyond any reasonable doubt that they do not give raises. Nov 23 11:41:07 "This doesn't mean that I've decided to leave, but I don't feel the company values my skills enough, nor does it take my questions and worries into account." Nov 23 11:41:24 vi____: yeah, people said that about my company when I joined as well. Nov 23 11:41:52 I got an 20% raise after 3 months in, and 30% a year later. Nov 23 11:42:12 They let the my pre-predecessor walk away. He had been working on this project for almost 2 years. He knew it inside out. They let him walk away without a fight. Then they hired his replacement at the salary that he was asking for a raise too. Nov 23 11:42:22 And am currently negotiating another 10% raise. Nov 23 11:42:22 His replacement did not even know how to program. Nov 23 11:42:36 teotwaki: That is because you are a gifted programmer. Nov 23 11:42:39 No. Nov 23 11:42:44 I just know how to negotiate ;) Nov 23 11:42:49 heh. Nov 23 11:42:55 Anyway, lunch break, 'later. Nov 23 11:57:21 Yo! Nov 23 11:58:56 vi____: My N900 does not start on battery insert, however it "forgets" the time/date in less than 5 seconds Nov 23 12:00:55 MrPingu: Yeah, all n900 go like that eventually. The internal battery is garbage. Nov 23 12:01:14 We are waiting for some brave soul to replace it with a capacitor! Nov 23 12:02:08 vi____: I know, but you started that thread asking how N900 acts on batteryinsert. Was too lazy to find that thread Nov 23 12:03:05 vi____: we did something like that on a Neo FreeRunner rework party - replaced all RTC batteries by supercapacitors Nov 23 12:17:43 M4rtinK: Any details on the super caps you used? Nov 23 12:29:03 vi____: I think it was done according to these instructions: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_RTC_backup_battery Nov 23 12:33:15 M4rtinK: Now that is a nice link! Thank you. Nov 23 12:34:04 I can also ask the guy who did the actual reworks if you need some more info :) Nov 23 12:34:31 ist been a year and a half since, so hope he still remembers something :) Nov 23 12:34:56 M4rtinK: That link tells me all I need to know. Nov 23 14:46:03 :-D Nov 23 14:50:35 :-D Nov 23 14:55:54 ~joerg Nov 23 14:55:54 from memory, joerg is a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko, usually known as DocScrutinizer Nov 23 14:58:14 guess who originally suggested that rework Nov 23 15:16:37 * ShadowJK has a supercap to change at $work Nov 23 15:16:53 but I don't think I have the skills, it looks tricky Nov 23 15:17:02 components on both side of board too Nov 23 15:22:20 nah, the bupbat has nice huge 'pins' Nov 23 15:22:34 should be easier than soldering of a DIL14 Nov 23 15:23:51 you might use some kapton film, solid thin carton etc, to push it between 'pin' and pad while desoldering Nov 23 15:24:17 or just use two soldering irons in parallel Nov 23 15:25:24 or - the brute force EE approach - you cut the 'wires' of the bupbat so you can desolder one after the other Nov 23 15:34:32 ShadowJK: anyway after desoldering the soldering of capacitor is just a piece of cake Nov 23 15:34:54 hmm Nov 23 15:35:07 as long as you don't have to worry about oversize of new component Nov 23 15:35:26 could it be the led controller is acting funny of my n900 due to a "relatively bad" battery? Nov 23 15:35:36 sure Nov 23 15:35:41 basicly when i plug it in it still charges ... Nov 23 15:35:55 sometimes I even see a steady orange light when I plug it in Nov 23 15:36:07 that's emergency charging Nov 23 15:36:12 but backlight nor warnings from sms or anything light up the led Nov 23 15:36:28 hah, check your settings Nov 23 15:36:30 and it all started recently when battery started drowning mega-fast Nov 23 15:36:45 o.O Nov 23 15:36:46 can't even keep it for longer then a whole day without calls Nov 23 15:37:05 last week was on a party, took 1 call, made 2 pictures Nov 23 15:37:10 not exactly unreasonable standby time Nov 23 15:37:13 was fully charged before that Nov 23 15:37:25 like say 3 - 4 hours it ran Nov 23 15:37:37 when i took it out my pocket it wasdead Nov 23 15:37:47 battery completly discharged Nov 23 15:37:49 was it warm? Nov 23 15:37:54 no Nov 23 15:38:15 until recently I could use it for ... 2 days (and nights) on standby Nov 23 15:38:16 3..4h is about the timespan you can expect with CPU at full load, and possibly screen backlight on Nov 23 15:38:29 well it was not on at all Nov 23 15:38:44 try get a new battery to see if it makes a difference Nov 23 15:38:51 now it lasts more like 1 day and night on standby ... Nov 23 15:39:07 will have a look i think they sold these also on dealextreme :P Nov 23 15:39:25 get bq27200.sh, run it like `bq27200.sh 60 >>mybatlog` from a xterm, on boot Nov 23 15:39:26 obviously a battery problem if you can fix by replacing it Nov 23 15:41:24 obviously a battery problem when data in mybatlog suggests that Nov 23 16:08:19 Gh0sty: all the symptoms you described are more hinting towards some problem with rootfs than with battery Nov 23 16:19:58 DocScrutinizer05; oh, the supercap at $work is throughhole with smd components on both side of board and around (and between) the supercap pins Nov 23 16:25:44 a problem with rootfs causes the led and backligt to stop working? Nov 23 16:28:34 Gh0sty: reboot. Nov 23 16:28:44 I just had a funny conversation with tmobile. Nov 23 16:29:17 The customer service literally does not understand what the internet is nor how it works. Nov 23 16:29:30 Gh0sty's problem sounds vaguely familiar to some hw failure modes I've seen discussed before, but it's definitely too early to say anything one way or another witout further tests Nov 23 16:29:33 vi_: already did several times Nov 23 16:29:53 Gh0sty: powerdown, take battery out for 1 min. Nov 23 16:29:55 ShadowJK: and how does it end? Nov 23 16:30:01 I need to backup my phone? :p Nov 23 16:30:09 Gh0sty: You did that? Nov 23 16:30:11 vi_: already did several times ... Nov 23 16:30:11 how does what end? Nov 23 16:30:12 Battery out? Nov 23 16:30:21 ShadowJK: he wants to know how to fix it. Nov 23 16:30:26 to try and fix the led controller you mean ;) Nov 23 16:30:31 no its not working Nov 23 16:30:32 Oh wait, the screen has stopped working? Nov 23 16:30:41 no Nov 23 16:30:44 Gh0sty: What is the last thing you did? Nov 23 16:30:49 Gh0sty: no? Nov 23 16:30:54 Then wtf are you asking? Nov 23 16:30:59 lets start from the beginning ... Nov 23 16:31:05 ok :) Nov 23 16:31:16 Gh0sty; does it at any point when charging or plugging in do the glowing/pulsing yellow led thing? Nov 23 16:31:22 like 2 weeks ago my led and KEYBOARD backligt did not work anymore Nov 23 16:31:24 Gh0sty: every detail you leave out, god punches a kitten. Nov 23 16:31:34 i tried any of the following combinations found on the internet: Nov 23 16:31:54 turn off - remove battery for 10 minutes - turn on Nov 23 16:32:05 turn off - remove battery whole night - turn on Nov 23 16:32:13 what did you do before the backlight stopped working? Nov 23 16:32:15 turn off - remove battery and sim - turn on Nov 23 16:32:18 did you drop it? Nov 23 16:32:34 turn off - remove battery - sim and plug it in without battery - turn back on Nov 23 16:32:35 etc Nov 23 16:32:39 no Nov 23 16:32:56 well not in the recent history at least Nov 23 16:33:06 it made a couple of drops long time ago Nov 23 16:33:36 then all of the sudden plugging it in a couple of days later and *yay* led and keyboard backlight returned Nov 23 16:33:43 2 days later again everything gone ... Nov 23 16:34:27 the next day i noticed the battery has made a serious capacity dive Nov 23 16:34:51 up to the fact this weekend it even went down after couple of hours (but i had used it then) Nov 23 16:34:53 Gh0sty; does it at any point when charging or plugging in do the glowing/pulsing yellow led thing? Nov 23 16:35:10 now when i recharge it its only good for a full day in stdby Nov 23 16:35:38 not anymore well if i plug it in without battery you still see the orange led very weak for a split second ... Nov 23 16:37:34 ever since I have not seen led nor keyboard backligt working ... Nov 23 16:38:01 also the strange thing there after the battery died in a couple of hours that weekend ... Nov 23 16:38:15 I am pretty sure I plugged it in that night and turned it on a little later Nov 23 16:38:33 that noon when i woke up it was off ... Nov 23 16:45:23 yeah pretty detailed description of 5% of the relevant facts. I still say it's sw related Nov 23 16:45:37 possibly mce, or bme Nov 23 16:45:37 Gh0sty: Do a complete reflash. Nov 23 16:45:42 yes Nov 23 16:45:46 :nod: Nov 23 16:45:47 If problem persists, it is probably hardware related. Nov 23 16:47:21 * ShadowJK places bets on hw fault Nov 23 16:47:27 either way, backup. Nov 23 16:47:59 of course we could start investigating stuff like (power)top, mce, syslog, bq27200.sh, whatnot else Nov 23 16:48:24 ShadowJK: which hw fault? Nov 23 16:48:52 Gh0sty: it you your RGB LED not working? Nov 23 16:48:57 *it is Nov 23 16:49:28 which hw fault would make indicator LED not work properly, cause massively reduced standby time, and issues with screen backlight? and battery deep discharge Nov 23 16:50:06 DocScrutinizer05: those could be separated things, we all know HW misdesign n900 has Nov 23 16:50:28 light sensor that is Nov 23 16:50:34 might be generic NAND hw fault. Couldn't think of any other plausible single point of hw failure causing all this Nov 23 16:50:46 I have the same experience (excludng the battery drain) Nov 23 16:51:21 it disappeared in a couple of days Nov 23 16:51:31 (LED not working) Nov 23 16:51:51 actually it works, but on very low brightness Nov 23 16:52:09 freemangordon: sure you haven't fsckd your ALS calibration? Nov 23 16:52:25 DocScrutinizer05: for sure I didn;t touch it Nov 23 16:52:33 BTW it was during the summer Nov 23 16:52:35 ;) Nov 23 16:53:01 ALS calib is in CAL Nov 23 16:53:30 Gh0sty: is it possible that your n900 has been exposed to very bright light? Nov 23 16:53:39 ???????????? Nov 23 16:54:09 CAL erasure by ultrahard photons? Nov 23 16:54:11 ;-P Nov 23 16:54:34 DocScrutinizer05: toldya, I had the same LED not working proble, not solved with battery removal Nov 23 16:56:27 who suggested battery removal? Nov 23 16:56:29 DocScrutinizer05: iirc ALS is connected on the same power bus? or something as some of the LEDs. If not all of the lleds Nov 23 16:57:09 also you had NOT same problems, since you admitted ind LED was dim, not defect. And your standby time didn't drop Nov 23 16:57:24 BTW I cannot remember if i flashed Nov 23 16:57:35 DocScrutinizer05: not dim, but almost invisible Nov 23 16:57:41 no. ALS is not connected to any power bus Nov 23 16:57:54 well, then proximity Nov 23 16:58:00 neither Nov 23 16:59:05 however, i've seen that. and it repaired by itself. almost NFC how Nov 23 16:59:19 *has repaired Nov 23 17:00:04 battery removal can reset LP5523 ind (& kbd) LED controller. That's all. All other 'fix' attempts are random nonsense, since neither removing one night nor SIM has anything to do with LP5523. And LP5523 hardly can cause massive reduction of standby time Nov 23 17:00:29 DocScrutinizer05: then all of the sudden plugging it in a couple of days later and *yay* led and keyboard backlight returned Nov 23 17:00:36 the same here Nov 23 17:00:56 was^^^ Nov 23 17:01:20 see ^^^ Nov 23 17:02:40 DocScrutinizer05: yep. but that could be a different problem. Forgotten wifi power savings disabled for example ;) Nov 23 17:07:12 I'd check LP5523 for basic functionality (e.g. with MohammadAG's nightrider light), then reflash (incl stock kernel!) Nov 23 17:07:48 DocScrutinizer05: sure. What I am trying to say is that maybe HW is ok. Nov 23 17:08:07 as mentioned above, I couldn't think of a single point of hw failure explaining the listed symptoms Nov 23 17:08:13 but mce has gone crazy Nov 23 17:12:40 btw Gh0sty told about a party, about photos, even videos maybe. I recall fcam messing with LP5523 sysnodes in a way so mce starts segfaulting Nov 23 17:13:23 we had several reports about similar symptoms with LEDs related to fcam, some years ago Nov 23 17:14:43 depending on race conditions during boot up, you can end with a working or a broken mce, depending on who's first to open/lock the lp5523 sysnodes Nov 23 17:15:40 fcam seriously crapped own pants with that indicatior LED control it implemented Nov 23 18:34:52 shai hulud! Nov 23 18:38:51 Skry: i try to optimise smoothly of play x264 on n900... try throught xforward ssh, sshfs, and locally play... Nov 23 18:39:01 hi all... Nov 23 18:40:35 vi__: maybe give you more interesting things to work if something interesting you lazy dosent matter... Nov 23 19:51:56 O.o new updates... Nov 23 19:59:54 DocScrutinizer05: was the fcam led bug fixed? Nov 23 20:14:14 kerio: tbh I got no idea Nov 23 20:19:06 so are we allowed to distribute the firmware files? Nov 23 20:23:40 vi__: nobody will ever ask that question Nov 23 20:28:03 I mean if I roll community-firmware_no-crap-edition.bin and make a post on tmo will I get in trouble? Nov 23 20:30:06 vi__: to be safer, i'd install the bme replacement on your firmware :3 Nov 23 20:32:48 kerio: to be clear I do not think I have done enough to call it my firmware, lets call it CE (community edition). Nov 23 20:33:18 kerio: the goal is to create the best starting point for flashing from. Nov 23 20:33:49 so there will be nothing installed except maybe flash 10 and rootfs. Nov 23 20:34:03 also backupmenu. Nov 23 20:34:07 don't ship rootsh please :( Nov 23 20:34:11 no? Nov 23 20:34:23 ship a known password and a sudoers file that lets you do stuff passwordly Nov 23 20:34:48 hell, ship an empty password and a passwordful sudoers Nov 23 20:35:07 does that mean if the user installs rootfs, they will have to type in a password when they type root? Nov 23 20:35:29 they'll have to type in a password when they type "sudo " Nov 23 20:35:32 as it should be Nov 23 20:35:36 no, wait Nov 23 20:35:49 when the user installs rootsh, he'll just be able to sudo gainroot passwordlessly Nov 23 20:35:55 he *shouldn't* Nov 23 20:36:01 because rootsh is fucking awful Nov 23 20:36:23 That will be a massive break from convention and will potentially brake loads of peoples poorly written scriots. Nov 23 20:40:59 scripts don't expect passwordless sudo Nov 23 20:45:14 vi__: (trouble) if you ask dor it, you might be able to get into trouble Nov 23 20:45:19 for* Nov 23 20:46:43 I'll however make you feel trouble when users make 'maemo-ssu feel trouble about stuff 'optimized' out of that firmware for no good reason, based on incomplete and sloppy evaluation Nov 23 20:47:21 The point is there is nothing optimised. Nov 23 20:48:39 it is just standard firmware with things like ovi-widget removed. Nov 23 20:49:46 I'm fine with removing ovi-widget. I start to frown when removing games, and I'll ask for moderation of tmo when that firmware has e.g. jumping-dots removed Nov 23 20:51:37 DocScrutinizer05: ovi proppably hard to remove because its nokia... Nov 23 20:51:48 but jumping dots is just a package. It requires no bodgery to remove it. Nov 23 20:52:10 Drathir: apt-get purge ovi-promotion-widget Nov 23 20:52:27 vi__: hrhr O.o Nov 23 21:06:11 vi__: fine. A pretty good argument to leave removing it to user then Nov 23 21:08:20 if $cssu would have considred it worth removing, it probably already was removed, don't you think so? so how you gonna roll an "official" cssu fiasco? Nov 23 21:08:40 this IS NOT official Nov 23 21:10:40 he never said it's a cssu fiasco Nov 23 21:11:29 btw, make an official cssu fiasco Nov 23 21:12:20 DocScrutinizer51: maemoblocks *is* awful Nov 23 21:12:23 DocScrutinizer51: Did I say this wa anything official? jesus christ, I just want to do something for the community. Nov 23 21:14:33 vi__++ Nov 23 21:15:00 do you think I am going to create the next speedpatch by removing startup dots and that bullshit rss feeder? Nov 23 21:16:22 I certainly would welcome *-no-crap-edition.* very warmly and could see myself even using one, if available. Nov 23 21:16:37 if you all can't see how silly an idea it was to roll 6487 different permutations of fiasco images to meet every single user's personal preferences, then I really dunno Nov 23 21:17:59 at CSSU we'll definitely deprecate and discourage usage of any such personalized fiasco Nov 23 21:18:55 since we simply CAN NOT do support for it Nov 23 21:20:00 If one is not interested in overclocking, is there any real advantage to using the power kernel on the N900? I haven't seen any bug fixes in it that look especially important for normal users. Am I missing something? Nov 23 21:20:11 Ken-Young: iptables Nov 23 21:20:28 if you think XY has to get kicked, go and discuss it in #maemo-ssu and provide a patch so every CSSU installation will be similar, no matter what fiasco it's based on Nov 23 21:20:31 smartreflex Nov 23 21:20:33 mobile-hotspot Nov 23 21:20:46 bridge interfaces Nov 23 21:20:50 fbcon Nov 23 21:20:57 wifi injection Nov 23 21:21:01 mobile-hotspot works on my N900 with the vanilla kernel. Nov 23 21:21:12 Ken-Young: really? Nov 23 21:21:12 :o Nov 23 21:21:25 Yup. I use it all the time at airports. Nov 23 21:21:29 surprising Nov 23 21:21:55 It's better than Joiku, because it doesn't burn through the battery so quickly. Nov 23 21:22:06 mobile hotspot != joikuspot Nov 23 21:22:08 eh? you use mobile hotspot at airports? Nov 23 21:22:13 why?? Nov 23 21:22:14 I know. I have both. Nov 23 21:22:40 DocScrutinizer05, I use it to get net access for my laptop. Nov 23 21:22:43 rogue honeypot AP? Nov 23 21:22:44 there's no wifi at certain airports Nov 23 21:22:50 *cough*FRA*cough* Nov 23 21:23:09 FRA? I don't know what that is. Nov 23 21:23:30 frankenfurth Nov 23 21:23:35 Frankfurt International Airport. Claims to be the biggest-ish airport in europe, no way to get a wifi anywhere Nov 23 21:23:36 All major airports in the US have WiFi, but it isn't free, Nov 23 21:24:57 anyway, better do a uname -a Nov 23 21:25:06 you might be surprised Nov 23 21:25:39 odds are you're already using KP sinve ages without even noticing Nov 23 21:25:44 uname -a = Linux Nokia-N900 2.6.28-omap1 #1 PREEMPT Fri Aug 6 11:50:00 EEST 2010 armv7l GNU/Linux Nov 23 21:25:53 weird Nov 23 21:26:15 I always thought mobile hotspot depends on KP Nov 23 21:26:31 Both Joiku spot and mobile hotspot work, although Joiku works best as a hand warmer. Nov 23 21:28:04 anyway, no there's no 'sekrit' rationale to use KP. If you need it, you'll know that Nov 23 21:29:12 nobody, literally nobody, so far came up with any hard numbers about any supposed battery savings or whatever in KP Nov 23 21:29:48 such claims always based 'on the obvious' Nov 23 21:29:54 OK, thanks for the info. I kinda soured on KP, because I ended up unintentionally overclocking. I'm sure it was something dumb I did, but if I don't really get any extra functionallity from KP, I'll just stick with the stock kernel. Nov 23 21:36:35 ahahahaha Nov 23 21:36:42 I forgot I keep my N900 in my N810 case Nov 23 21:36:44 <.< Nov 23 21:37:48 there's a lot of extra funcionality in KP. *extra* functionality, not improved funcionality. If you ned anyof those extras, you'll probably notice that Nov 23 21:39:33 there is free wifi in frankfurt airport. Nov 23 21:39:46 just need a little mac spoofing is all. Nov 23 21:41:53 DocScrutinizer05, Yeah, I've seen some lists of extra functionality, but nothing I need. Maybe I'm living in a fool's paradise, but I see no need for iptables, etc. Nov 23 21:44:09 more MHz==MOAR POWUH Nov 23 21:45:34 vi__: moar what? Nov 23 21:46:59 some kind of fast kill the phone? Nov 23 21:49:10 basically yes Nov 23 21:50:21 ~omap-oc Nov 23 21:50:23 methinks omap-oc is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-08-01.log.html#t2010-08-01T22:16:05 read that!, or and this http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-03-11.log.html#t2011-03-11T03:04:11 Nov 23 21:54:25 CPU livetime at 500MHz: 50k hours. at 600MHz: 10k h. at 800MHz: probabaly 1000 h or less Nov 23 21:55:16 after that operation time 5..7 percent will show defects Nov 23 22:09:11 if you all can't see how silly an idea it was to roll 6487 different permutations of fiasco images to meet every single user's personal preferences, then I really dunno Nov 23 22:09:44 it is not 6487. It is 1 with the junk removed. Nov 23 22:10:24 No cherry, no ovi widget, no maemoblocks. I honestly cannot see what the rpoblem is. Nov 23 22:10:58 If it was loaded up with VM tweakz and warez then yes, you would have a point. Nov 23 22:11:42 I do not see you condemning robbiethe1st rolled backupmenu .img Nov 23 22:14:36 robbiethe1st ADDED something to fiasco, particularly he added exactly what is needed to recover from flashing Nov 23 22:15:15 he didn't remove things he personally found 'awful' or 'useless' Nov 23 22:15:35 vi__: hater gonna hate Nov 23 22:15:56 troll gonna troll Nov 23 22:16:19 Keep it civil man. Nov 23 22:17:11 who? kerio? hah, he usually doesn't know what's civil Nov 23 22:17:53 DocScrutinizer51: removing cherry is ok, right? Nov 23 22:18:04 what about that one dude who likes MyNokia? Nov 23 22:18:34 sure, since there's nobody missing it and there's a real rationale why you want to remove it Nov 23 22:19:31 ovi promo widget? Nov 23 22:19:45 the various installers? Nov 23 22:19:46 kerio: that one dude I'll happily find the number and text of the SMS, so he can send manually Nov 23 22:30:11 sorry, but every time I hear somebody cheerfully pondering what else could get nuked to give user the benefit of missing choice, I get upset Nov 23 22:31:56 Vi is doing something for himself, in a way it could be useful for at least some other community members. He is obviously not doing anything "official". I'm seeing shit like request for moderation and such about 'dots. I don't see it's vi who is making someone miss a choice here. Nov 23 22:32:37 IOW there's no sense in removing anything now that as well can get removed later Nov 23 22:34:02 But we'd learn something from figuring out how to create our own fisco images, which could be useful later Nov 23 22:34:44 And so long as it's clearly not marked 'official'... I don't see a problem Nov 23 22:34:47 we could even use a fiasco that includes latest CSSU stuff Nov 23 22:35:51 but only if the result of flashing that cssu fiasco is same result as flashing stock fiasco and then running CSSU on top of that Nov 23 22:39:14 s/CSSU on/CSSU updae on/ Nov 23 22:41:32 kolp: there is some blog post on how to build your own fiasco *somewhere* on the net Nov 23 23:15:44 What's package name of u-boot-update-bootmenu ? Nov 23 23:45:26 uboot-tools or similar Nov 23 23:45:50 m_pahlevanzadeh: if you can install you can find it out via dpkg-query -S u-boot-update-bootmenu Nov 23 23:46:02 s/can install/have it installed/ Nov 23 23:46:02 merlin1991 meant: m_pahlevanzadeh: if you have it installed you can find it out via dpkg-query -S u-boot-update-bootmenu Nov 24 00:29:02 m_pahlevanzadeh, package name u-boot-tools **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Nov 24 02:59:58 2012